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| 00:35.41 | graphyx | Good evening |
| 00:36.03 | graphyx | xbmodder_lappy: No point in such a poll.. vi would win. |
| 00:36.14 | maquis | mornin' graphyx |
| 00:36.39 | graphyx | maquis: I hope to not be here that long. |
| 00:36.52 | maquis | :) |
| 00:39.59 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah true. |
| 00:40.06 | xbmodder_lappy | I wanted to know the other nano guys. |
| 00:40.26 | maquis | there are nano guys around here? |
| 00:40.29 | maquis | burn them! |
| 00:47.44 | graphyx | There are nano guys around here, but due to their nano nature we can't see them. |
| 00:51.05 | xbmodder_lappy | thats mean on many different levels. |
| 00:51.18 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart graphyx |
| 00:51.32 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 00:51.34 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart graphyx |
| 00:51.50 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart graphyx |
| 00:51.58 | xbmodder_lappy | that works ;-) |
| 00:58.50 | hans | how keen. I'm getting hammered by msnbot and yahoo slurp at the same time |
| 01:01.57 | xbmodder_lappy | sweet. |
| 01:02.01 | xbmodder_lappy | Google loves me. |
| 01:03.00 | Tene | aww... http://googlism.com/ is broken... |
| 01:03.02 | brac | [Googlism ] |
| 01:04.12 | xbmodder_lappy | it is? |
| 01:04.14 | Tene | google://xbmodder suggests 'bladder' |
| 01:04.22 | xbmodder_lappy | i know |
| 01:04.30 | xbmodder_lappy | not many people know that |
| 01:04.48 | xbmodder_lappy | now ~34 people know |
| 01:04.50 | xbmodder_lappy | at least. |
| 01:05.08 | graphyx | Ok what is the command to install a tftp server on debian? |
| 01:05.51 | xbmodder_lappy | apt-get install (The name) |
| 01:06.14 | graphyx | ok what is the name of the default tftp server for debian? |
| 01:06.25 | Tene | apt-cache search tftp? |
| 01:06.39 | graphyx | thanks Tene |
| 01:06.44 | Tene | np |
| 01:06.48 | xbmodder_lappy | RTFM? |
| 01:07.39 | graphyx | it's much more fun to irritate you xbmodder_lappy |
| 01:08.10 | Tene | Ooh, call him xbladder_lappy! That will annoy him. |
| 01:08.46 | graphyx | we should set up ibot so that when it sees more than one of him in the channel to randomly do something like that.. ;) |
| 01:09.29 | xbmodder_lappy | /clearchannel |
| 01:16.25 | Tene | :( I suck at bind |
| 01:17.11 | xbmodder_lappy | Tene, help you do need? |
| 01:17.26 | graphyx | xbmodder_lappy might know a little about dns |
| 01:20.05 | xbmodder_lappy | the DNS hacker :) |
| 01:20.22 | Tene | *shudders* |
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| 01:23.30 | graphyx | Tene: Rightfully so. |
| 01:24.29 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 01:24.42 | maquis | googlism isn't that bad for me |
| 01:26.22 | graphyx | anyone else enjoying the rain? |
| 01:26.31 | maquis | Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /usr/dbs_share/www/shared/include/googlism.com/private/googlism.inc on line 41 |
| 01:27.36 | graphyx | ok where do I go to see where the debian package put the tftp server config files etc? |
| 01:28.17 | maquis | hehe |
| 01:28.19 | maquis | this is a fun site |
| 01:29.31 | maquis | wow... |
| 01:29.46 | synic | graphyx: don't know much about tftp, but it may have modified /etc/inetd.conf |
| 01:29.48 | maquis | have to go down to the 7th item to get the anything egyptian for osiris |
| 01:29.56 | synic | or /etc/tftp |
| 01:30.04 | maquis | anubis gets it on the second |
| 01:30.16 | maquis | sekhmet on the firs |
| 01:30.16 | maquis | t |
| 01:31.19 | graphyx | synic: Yeah it did. |
| 01:31.21 | JoshH | graphyx: dpkg -L tftp |
| 01:32.15 | graphyx | JoshH: Thanks. |
| 01:32.19 | graphyx | I am not so great with debian. |
| 01:32.21 | JoshH | np |
| 01:32.34 | JoshH | dpkg -L lists all the files installed by a package |
| 01:32.42 | JoshH | and where |
| 01:32.48 | graphyx | which is just what I needed |
| 01:32.50 | synic | nifty. |
| 01:32.52 | JoshH | yup |
| 01:33.02 | graphyx | guess I should have tried man tftpd as well. |
| 01:34.46 | JoshH | its also a good idea to check /etc/share/doc/<pkgname>/README.Debian |
| 01:35.24 | JoshH | they always mention the differences between the stock distribution and the debian package, if anything, and other useful info |
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| 01:36.37 | tensai | levi: have you done your homework yet? |
| 01:36.55 | levi | tensai: Which homework? |
| 01:37.29 | tensai | levi: I dunno. I assume you have a pathetic OS assignment. |
| 01:37.58 | levi | There are really only two pathetic OS assignments, the midterm and the final. |
| 01:38.07 | levi | I finished the midterm yesterday. |
| 01:38.32 | graphyx | How can I tell if my tftpd server is listening for udp packets? |
| 01:38.35 | levi | It had two parts, a paper and some questions, which were take-home. |
| 01:38.47 | graphyx | I mean how can I tell if it is running. netstat shows only tcp, right? |
| 01:39.02 | tensai | graphyx: no. netstat -lnu |
| 01:39.06 | hans | tcpdump |
| 01:39.10 | tensai | that'll show udp listen sockets |
| 01:39.15 | levi | The instructor accidentally published the answers to the questions on his ftp site (which he calls his web site), so we all automatically get a 100% on that part. |
| 01:39.17 | hans | oh listen |
| 01:39.26 | hans | lol |
| 01:40.13 | graphyx | well it isn't going. there is in entry in the inetd.conf |
| 01:40.23 | tensai | did you reload inetd? |
| 01:40.25 | graphyx | and I restarted inetd and called the main exectible. |
| 01:40.30 | graphyx | and still not showing up. |
| 01:41.09 | tensai | anything in syslog? |
| 01:41.13 | hans | might be a wrapper sort of thing. how is it configured, to run as a daemon or via /etc/inetd.conf? |
| 01:41.28 | graphyx | I did the standard tftpd package with apt-get. |
| 01:41.36 | graphyx | so I don't have the particulars of the confige. |
| 01:42.46 | tensai | what happens if you run in.tftpd directly? |
| 01:42.52 | graphyx | did that. |
| 01:42.54 | graphyx | no dice |
| 01:45.18 | tensai | I installed atftpd, so I don't know details about tftpd |
| 01:45.30 | graphyx | I just bagged it and when for tftpd-hpa |
| 01:49.22 | graphyx | got it started. |
| 01:49.33 | graphyx | Thanks for the help |
| 01:56.35 | graphyx | ok I must be pretty pathetic currently. |
| 01:56.52 | graphyx | I can't even tftp 1 file between two systems over which I have complete control.. |
| 01:57.13 | graphyx | well I guess if I can't tftp then perhaps I don't actually have complete control.. |
| 01:57.55 | levi | What are you using tftp for? |
| 01:59.07 | graphyx | as part of a pen test I am testing the databases server for being suseptible to xp_cmdshell |
| 01:59.30 | graphyx | and tftp is one of those things that doesn't provide feedback and thus can be ran without needing any back input. |
| 02:00.21 | graphyx | but I have to get an active tftpd server from which to server the file. |
| 02:01.38 | levi | You could always use expect to script something that does provide feedback and require back input. |
| 02:02.46 | graphyx | Or just a netcat to send netcat to the connecting session.. ;) |
| 02:08.20 | levi | tftp is more trouble than it's worth unless you're net-booting or upgrading firmware on some device. |
| 02:11.09 | graphyx | well it is useful to upload files to a server you are trying to get access to... |
| 02:15.35 | levi | Not if you can't get it set up. :) |
| 02:16.03 | graphyx | that is sooo true you know. |
| 02:16.22 | graphyx | I could get the file from the same system as the server. |
| 02:16.33 | graphyx | and nmap shows the port as open, but I couldn't get it down to my system here. |
| 02:16.45 | graphyx | which is odd by all accounts, but I have moved on. |
| 02:17.12 | graphyx | PT? |
| 02:17.50 | levi | Military lingo for physical training. |
| 02:17.55 | mheath | graphyx: Physical Training. Military term. |
| 02:18.22 | graphyx | k |
| 02:20.36 | mheath | My PT includes pullups, situps, pushups, and running |
| 02:21.02 | mheath | *gone* |
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| 02:24.33 | xbmodder | lalalalalalallll |
| 02:24.54 | Tene | ~xbmodder |
| 02:24.56 | ibot | from memory, xbmodder is a world record setting 14 year old great guy who lives in paradise |
| 02:25.05 | levi | xbmodder: Dude, we are not your personal boredom relief. |
| 02:25.12 | JoshH | lol |
| 02:25.50 | JoshH | ~levi |
| 02:25.51 | ibot | methinks levi is a male who lives in utah, or an attack dog |
| 02:26.00 | JoshH | ~joshh |
| 02:26.01 | ibot | you'll never force me to tell. never, never, never, NEVER!!! |
| 02:26.21 | xbmodder | lol |
| 02:26.48 | levi | I don't remember who added 'attack dog' to mine. |
| 02:27.14 | xbmodder | you guys are pretty == boredom relief |
| 02:27.26 | levi | But I do recall that it was because I was trying to disabuse someone of some ridiculous notion or other. |
| 02:28.04 | JoshH | unfortunately, that doesnt work very often on irc |
| 02:28.20 | levi | Alas. |
| 02:28.49 | levi | If I can convince but one poor soul of the error of their ways... ;) |
| 02:29.05 | xbmodder | then you can convince two. |
| 02:29.19 | JoshH | if it did, xbmodder would be mature, and mheath would be loving debian (sjansen too) |
| 02:29.49 | xbmodder | levi: lol |
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| 02:31.41 | xbmodder | ~WELCOME wps |
| 02:31.42 | ibot | Good to see you, wps! |
| 02:31.53 | wps | thanks, ibot |
| 02:31.54 | wps | you rock |
| 02:33.13 | xbmodder | ... |
| 02:36.49 | tensai | ~factinfo joshh |
| 02:36.49 | ibot | joshh -- created by tensai <~tensai@207.141.37.66> at Mon Aug 1 19:39:27 2005 (85 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by JoshH, 10m 48s ago. |
| 02:37.13 | tensai | ~factinfo levi |
| 02:37.13 | ibot | levi -- last modified at Thu Sep 22 21:09:27 2005 by fungus!n=fungus@2001:470:1f00:645:20a:95ff:fec5:636a; it has been requested once, last by JoshH, 11m 22s ago. |
| 02:37.27 | graphyx | ~factinfo graphyx |
| 02:37.27 | ibot | graphyx: there's no such factoid as graphyx |
| 02:37.50 | levi | ~fungus |
| 02:37.52 | ibot | well, fungus is Kinda smelly, but grows on you, or a ASCII guru |
| 02:38.14 | levi | ~factinfo fungus |
| 02:38.14 | ibot | fungus -- last modified at Wed Jun 1 22:36:31 2005 by wps!~wade@207.108.169.214; it has been requested 3 times, last by levi, 22s ago. |
| 02:38.35 | levi | Heh. |
| 02:39.45 | JoshH | ~tensai |
| 02:39.46 | ibot | rumour has it, tensai is a large smoked salmon |
| 02:39.55 | JoshH | ~factinfo tensai |
| 02:39.55 | ibot | tensai -- it has been requested 14 times, last by JoshH, 9s ago; it has been locked by tensai. |
| 02:40.37 | JoshH | tensai: is your nick from an anime? |
| 02:40.39 | tensai | I locked my factoid before timriker disabled locking :) |
| 02:41.49 | tensai | JoshH: nope. it means "genius". I liked knowing that everybody was complementing me all the time. |
| 02:41.53 | hans | ~elg |
| 02:41.54 | ibot | rumour has it, hans is the gdmxml guy, or having trouble with the bot, or the designer of the desert color scheme for vim, now part of the main package, or from Santa Fe, New Mexico, going to BYU and hopefully graduating soon... |
| 02:42.07 | JoshH | is it japanese or something then? |
| 02:42.14 | tensai | JoshH: sorry, yeah |
| 02:42.19 | JoshH | ah |
| 02:44.05 | tensai | I used to go by edogawa konan, who is a manga character. tensai is easier to read and write. |
| 02:44.27 | hans | and konan was probably taken |
| 02:44.38 | hans | you barbarian |
| 02:45.25 | tensai | it's from arthur conan doyle |
| 02:47.10 | tensai | he's a teenage detective who gets shrunk by a mafia to a 6 year-old. he has to take a pseudonym to hide from the bad guys who want him dead. |
| 02:55.41 | hans | uml is neat. learn it, throw away the syntax, and never let anyone know you use it in secret. |
| 02:56.23 | graphyx | heh.. |
| 02:56.33 | graphyx | Just use boxes and arrows. |
| 02:56.40 | graphyx | They will never know it it is such a useful thing. |
| 02:57.13 | levi | hans: Yeah, I'm just using it to make sure I've got the classes all straight in my head. |
| 02:58.02 | levi | Time to fire up emacs and get to coding. :) |
| 02:58.15 | hans | yeah. I love to draw the boxes |
| 02:58.25 | hans | but I never worry about the UML syntax |
| 02:58.30 | hans | but I use what makes sense to me |
| 03:20.37 | mheath | And it's still too far off |
| 03:21.09 | maquis | mheath: what's happening in the training that you're looking forward to? |
| 03:21.47 | xbmodder_lappy | hey mheath |
| 03:21.54 | mheath | maquis: basic field survival and tactics |
| 03:22.05 | xbmodder_lappy | tensai, how do you lock a factoid? |
| 03:22.08 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, sounds fun. |
| 03:22.15 | mheath | "Third, The training moves to the field where two opposing camps will be set up, with neither knowing the location of the other. A scenario will be given to each Camp Commander and the battle begins. How effectively the Commander rallies resources, organizes and assigns functions, reacts to a perceived threat, and executes the formal Operations Orders will determine the sucess or failure of the mission. The Field phase will last at least t |
| 03:22.15 | mheath | hree days." |
| 03:22.30 | maquis | ooh |
| 03:22.36 | maquis | paintball? |
| 03:22.39 | xbmodder_lappy | what will the objective be? |
| 03:22.54 | graphyx | mheath: will you still be on chat when you go there? |
| 03:22.54 | mheath | maquis: No. Funner :) |
| 03:23.09 | maquis | mheath: how's the battle held, then? |
| 03:23.33 | mheath | graphyx: I'll be in 30 degree weather, near Flagstaff, Arizona. We have to set up supply lines to even get *food* |
| 03:23.34 | hans | lasertag |
| 03:23.37 | mheath | I doubt I'll be online :) |
| 03:23.49 | graphyx | mheath: You going to be gone for a long time? |
| 03:24.02 | mheath | graphyx: Not particularly. A week. |
| 03:24.26 | mheath | maquis: I'm not sure there is a battle |
| 03:25.02 | mheath | maquis: the whole point of the training is to introduce operation planning and execution concepts |
| 03:25.57 | maquis | it says there that "the battle begins" |
| 03:26.10 | maquis | which implies that there's a battle |
| 03:26.20 | graphyx | which implies that the author has a flair for drama. |
| 03:26.31 | maquis | mheath: do you get a switchblade? |
| 03:26.44 | mheath | maquis: I'm required to have a knife of some sort. |
| 03:26.57 | mheath | graphyx: the author was a US Army Green Beret for 20 years. Give him a break :) |
| 03:27.04 | maquis | mheath: what type of knife are you taking? |
| 03:27.18 | mheath | maquis: something sharp and useful. I'm not sure yet. |
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| 03:27.23 | graphyx | I didn't say that there was anything wrong with it. |
| 03:34.32 | mheath | Does someone have a Windows computer with Microsoft Word on it? |
| 03:35.06 | mheath | Open Office isn't formatting this anywhere near correctly, I think, and I was wondering if someone could do me a huge favor and conver it, using Word, to a format Open Office will play a little nicer with |
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| 03:45.10 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, yeah... |
| 03:47.34 | mheath | Actually, nevermind. It appears to just be bad formatting. |
| 03:47.41 | mheath | Sorry for doubting you, Open Office. |
| 03:59.24 | xbmodder_lappy | lol. |
| 04:00.04 | levi | I've got Word for OS X handy, but Windows is in the other room and turned off. |
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| 04:16.42 | linuxalien | hello fellow fungoids |
| 04:22.27 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 04:23.11 | linuxalien | Anyone hear about the U of U hack? |
| 04:26.49 | mheath | linuxalien: no. What happened? |
| 04:27.48 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, are you good with knives? |
| 04:28.21 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: why do you ask that? Because I'm taking a knife with me on a winter survival exercise? O.o |
| 04:29.17 | linuxalien | Uf of U got hacked and people's info was comprimised. Students, faculty, staff.... |
| 04:29.24 | xbmodder_lappy | Just wondering. |
| 04:31.02 | linuxalien | http://icarus.cs.weber.edu/~aarontoponce/drupal/ |
| 04:31.04 | brac | [Computer Science | ...the outstanding undergraduate program...] |
| 04:31.25 | linuxalien | The info is on that page. Records from as far back as 1970 were exploited |
| 04:31.33 | hans | http://onion.dynserv.net/~timo/index.php?page=Projects/cmus |
| 04:31.34 | brac | [C* Music Player] |
| 04:31.40 | hans | this is a work of art |
| 04:31.48 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: The guy who's running this training evolution is an Ex-Army Green Beret. We're out in the wilderness for 3 days, with few supplies. We have to set up our own supply and communication lines. Etc., Etc. A knife is an essential item. |
| 04:32.54 | xbmodder_lappy | wow. |
| 04:33.02 | mheath | Meanwhile, we're dealing with an enemy. We have no idea where they're located (except perhaps a vague direction, like "Northwest"), or what their mission is. |
| 04:33.43 | linuxalien | Is this for the navy? |
| 04:33.46 | xbmodder_lappy | That sounds complex |
| 04:34.16 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: Its going to take several days of constant training and instruction, as well as the expertise of people who have done this before. |
| 04:34.19 | xbmodder_lappy | can you carve stuff? |
| 04:34.37 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: O.o Why are you asking that? |
| 04:35.09 | mheath | linuxalien: sort of, yes. USNSCC Tactical Field Training. |
| 04:36.44 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
| 04:37.40 | linuxalien | mheath, sounds like a good job |
| 04:39.39 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: Getting basics like *food* could mean a supply line that stretches several miles |
| 04:39.55 | mheath | Which, again, this simulated enemy (another team like us) could be trying to distrupt |
| 04:41.41 | xbmodder_lappy | Ah, that would be quite interesting. So will your enemy actually engage you in "battle" |
| 04:43.40 | mheath | Yes. |
| 04:44.06 | linuxalien | Goodnight. I sleep too. |
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| 04:49.38 | xbmodder_lappy | night. |
| 04:49.49 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, make a journal/blog |
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| 05:44.45 | levi | Whee, writing code in D is so much nicer than in C. |
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| 05:56.59 | levi | Sweet, I only had a few compile errors. |
| 05:57.34 | levi | Since I got an email saying this isn't due tomorrow after all, I will have to delay writing test functions until later so I can write a paper. |
| 06:24.49 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
| 06:24.51 | xbmodder_lappy | ~D |
| 06:25.42 | bonez41 | I can't seem to make my linux machines visible, browseable to my windows machines on the same network |
| 06:26.22 | bonez41 | anyone know a good solid workable reference for all the stuff I need to set up? I have samba and smbd and nmbd running.....I can access the windows machines, but not in reverse order.... |
| 06:28.54 | xbmodder_lappy | ibot, ? |
| 06:29.09 | xbmodder_lappy | tldp.org's docs are pretty good if I remember. |
| 06:29.16 | xbmodder_lappy | ibot, why? |
| 06:29.18 | ibot | Because! |
| 06:29.27 | xbmodder_lappy | ibot, core dump! |
| 06:29.29 | ibot | [core dump] In UNIX systems, when a program crashes, it "dumps" out an image of the memory and registers so that you may go through and see what caused the problem. This is almost as useful as the Netware and Windows NT memory dumps (which is not very, if you can't taste my sarcasm). |
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| 06:50.44 | bonez41 | oh, the more I deal with windows, the more I hate it |
| 06:58.11 | findlay | so there I was mindlessly browsing slashdot, and I found this gem: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=166378&cid=13878211 |
| 06:58.12 | brac | [Students Banned from Blogging] |
| 07:00.14 | levi | Heh. |
| 07:01.02 | levi | Was BYU mentioned in the comment it is in reponse to? |
| 07:01.59 | findlay | the first +5 comment related some kind of anecdote with alusions to BYU, not the same thread though |
| 07:06.52 | levi | Given my experience at BYU, I find that anecdote about the girl called into the President's office for being with people who consumed alcohol pretty fishy. |
| 07:08.43 | findlay | that the sequence of events seemed sketchy as if some things were left out |
| 07:08.52 | levi | I guess it is indeed a violation of the honor code, though. |
| 07:09.35 | levi | "The following are examples of serious noncompliant behavior related to alcohol use: Being present where alcohol is being consumed by others" |
| 07:09.42 | levi | etc. |
| 07:10.35 | findlay | it's in the honor code then, but does that clause have the weight of expulsion? |
| 07:11.53 | levi | The story in the comment doesn't jibe with the stories I've heard second-hand from people who had roommates /on campus/ that were regularly sexually active. |
| 07:12.23 | levi | Any violation of the honor code has the weight of expulsion if you refuse to be penitent. |
| 07:12.44 | levi | I knew a guy who was expelled as an eventual result of mooning out his window. |
| 07:13.29 | findlay | even I've heard stories about "draconian" honor code enforcement and honor code gestapo, etc., probably urban legends, fantastic at best |
| 07:14.34 | levi | Anyway, the guy who mooned was only expelled because he didn't bother complying with what the honor council or whatever wanted him to do. |
| 07:14.49 | levi | And the comment says the girl left because she was offended by the accusation that she'd done something wrong. |
| 07:15.33 | levi | And, frankly, something like that probably would have pissed me off enough to leave too, though probably not if I had a scholarship. |
| 07:15.56 | findlay | after all, though, those Mormons are nuts, not allowing you to be in the company of people drinking while attending BYU, that's _insane_! |
| 07:17.12 | levi | I never even realized that you couldn't be in the company of drinkers. |
| 07:17.27 | findlay | I doubt they would have been really overbearing, especially if she didn't know |
| 07:17.51 | findlay | maybe she was more upset by somebody telling on her |
| 07:17.52 | levi | I went to dance clubs, bars, restaurants with liquor licenses, etc. quite frequently. |
| 07:18.04 | Hhhhh | hehe, I went to a sports bar with my wife in a trip to Park City |
| 07:18.12 | levi | She was probably upset at the extreme absurdity of it. |
| 07:18.35 | Hhhhh | where is the story of the alcohol thing? |
| 07:19.01 | levi | Hhhhh: Slashdot, the first +5 comment on the story about the students having their blogs shut down. |
| 07:19.08 | findlay | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=166378&cid=13878119 |
| 07:19.10 | brac | [Students Banned from Blogging] |
| 07:19.55 | levi | I mean, getting called before a disciplinary court because you went to dinner with your parents and /they/ had a glass of wine with dinner is pretty darn absurd. |
| 07:19.58 | findlay | wait a second ... I might actually know this BWJones |
| 07:20.47 | Hhhhh | Hmm, is that all there is to it? I find it hard she'd get kicked out for this |
| 07:21.12 | Hhhhh | levi, I would understand if there was a reason to believe she did drink |
| 07:21.37 | Hhhhh | maybe the report was that she was drinking (mistaken though) |
| 07:22.05 | Hhhhh | if that was the case, then a honor code citation would be in place, but it probably could be cleared out since she wasn't drinking |
| 07:22.25 | levi | Hhhhh: Regardless, it's still absurd. I'm sure there are football players that drink regularly and never get written up. |
| 07:22.25 | Hhhhh | it just seems there is more to the story than what's in that comment |
| 07:22.35 | findlay | I find it difficult to believe that they would condemn her for actions attributed to her by others |
| 07:22.38 | Hhhhh | levi, if they're caught they are |
| 07:23.01 | Hhhhh | i agree with findlay, I don't think they would have expulsed her for that |
| 07:23.16 | levi | They didn't; the comment says she left. |
| 07:23.37 | Hhhhh | heaven forvid, but I think this slashdot comment is ommiting part of the story |
| 07:23.51 | Hhhhh | ;) |
| 07:23.52 | levi | It probably is. |
| 07:24.27 | findlay | hmm, he has a friend of a friend of mine through goozbach |
| 07:26.10 | levi | Anyway, I think the BYU Honor Code is ridiculous. It would be difficult to get through a semester without violating it in some detail. |
| 07:27.30 | Hhhhh | hmm, guys I want an opinion |
| 07:27.48 | Hhhhh | http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rightsandfreedoms/a/gayplates.htm |
| 07:27.49 | brac | [Utah Okays Gay-positive License Plate] |
| 07:28.01 | Hhhhh | Calling the action a win for free speech, the American Civil Liberties Union of Utah applauded that state's tax commission's recent decision to, for the first time, approve personalized license plates with gay-positive messages. The decision came only after the ACLU appealed an earlier denial of three such plates. |
| 07:28.01 | Hhhhh | In December 2004, Elizabeth Solomon applied for three personalized license plates: "GAY WE GO," "GAYS R OK," and "GAY RYTS." The Commission approved the "GAY WE GO" plate but denied the application for the latter two plates. The ACLU of Utah represented Solomon in appealing the decision. |
| 07:28.37 | Hhhhh | now, contrast that to this: |
| 07:28.52 | Hhhhh | http://www.rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050608/NEWS/50607014/0/FRONTPAGE |
| 07:28.57 | brac | [Rutland Herald: Rutland Vermont News & Information] |
| 07:29.04 | Hhhhh | BURLINGTON - A federal judge said Tuesday he isn't sure many people will understand the religious message from the vanity license plate a West Rutland man has filed a lawsuit to get for his 1966 Ford pickup. |
| 07:29.04 | Hhhhh | Shawn Byrne filed his lawsuit against the state Department of Motor Vehicles in January after the state rejected his request for a vanity license plate. |
| 07:29.04 | Hhhhh | The state contended, and Byrne's lawyers have since conceded that two of his requests on his vanity plate application, "JOHN316" and "JN316" did not adhere to a provision for vanity plates in Vermont that they not contain more than two numerals to avoid confusion with standard-issued license plates. |
| 07:29.05 | Hhhhh | However, the state also rejected Byrne's third vanity license plate choice, "JN36TN," arguing that it contains a religious viewpoint. Byrne's attorneys argued the denial of the plate is a violation of his First Amendment rights. |
| 07:29.33 | Hhhhh | and remember, there is no such thing as judicial activism... |
| 07:30.18 | findlay | is that last provision a restriction on the boundaries of our prospective pronouncement of opinion? |
| 07:30.58 | Hhhhh | no, feel free to express your opinion |
| 07:31.03 | Hhhhh | cuss me if you want |
| 07:31.33 | findlay | I condone both situations most heartily |
| 07:31.59 | Hhhhh | so gay-positive license plates are ok but religion-positive aren't? |
| 07:32.14 | levi | Hhhhh: Point number one: States issue license plates, and are in control of legislation surrounding their issue. Point two: The two stories are from different states. |
| 07:32.22 | levi | Thus, you can't compare the two. |
| 07:32.29 | findlay | first of all, we live in a Federal Republic, or whatever the US is |
| 07:32.46 | findlay | I have no strong feeling on either case |
| 07:32.59 | levi | The article states that Vermont doesn't allow messages about sexual orientation either. |
| 07:33.15 | findlay | so what if there are symbolic moral differentials between states |
| 07:33.45 | findlay | that's a caveat of the balance, or shall we say, opposion of powers |
| 07:34.06 | Hhhhh | i wasn't pointing out the difference between states, but rather the tendency of courts of playing "underdog backing" |
| 07:34.28 | levi | Hhhhh: Uh, that doesn't make sense. |
| 07:34.36 | Hhhhh | it does indeed |
| 07:34.50 | levi | Hhhhh: The courts were ruling within different legal frameworks! |
| 07:35.09 | levi | Hhhhh: If the stories were both from Vermont or both from Utah, you'd have a point. |
| 07:35.22 | findlay | the practice of law even for a seasoned judge enshrined in decades of legal precedent is never mechanical, I think |
| 07:35.56 | levi | Hhhhh: You're defining some nebulous entity called 'the courts' that doesn't exist. There are, in reality, a judge in Utah and a judge in Vermont that are completely unrelated. |
| 07:36.16 | findlay | judges occasionally even have to use their intrinsic sense of moral judgement |
| 07:37.48 | findlay | and I've been led to believe that a great majority of judges try to become familliar with all levels of context within each case, something that's probably much more difficult to relate in an online news article |
| 07:37.50 | levi | Combining the two stories with your particular moral viewpoint to create a common story about 'judicial activism' is illogical and intellectually dishonest. |
| 07:42.49 | findlay | finally, it's tempting to say that since they're taking the time to deliberate over things as trivial as this, there's nothing out there more serious and dangerous to the body politic going on |
| 07:43.41 | levi | To demonstrate judicial activism, you need stories about a single judge who is making decisions contrary to precedent that are clearly based on personal ideals. |
| 07:44.09 | findlay | although it may be subtle |
| 07:46.33 | levi | The Vermont case seems pretty clear-cut; religious messages are forbidden from vanity plates by state law, as are messages about sexual orientation, though that's not all all relevant to that particular case. If there was any precedent overturned in the matter, it wasn't mentioned. |
| 07:47.37 | levi | The article about the Utah case doesn't have enough information about the decision to make any analysis of the judicial decision at all. |
| 07:48.55 | levi | Anyway, that's my analysis of your argument, which is not the opinion you asked for. I don't really have an opinion on either case. |
| 07:51.25 | levi | Hhhhh seems to have fallen asleep. I should sleep too. |
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| 13:22.09 | graphyx | Morning |
| 13:22.41 | graphyx | The large scale media wants us to know that 2000 soldiers have died with the fighting in Iraq. |
| 13:22.50 | graphyx | And that the problems aren't going to go away in a long time |
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| 13:23.09 | graphyx | and that we should impeach bush for believing what Bill Clinton believed. |
| 13:23.49 | graphyx | oh and by the way, the Iarqis have formed a government based of democracy and have agreed to a constitution. But that doesn't have any consequence. |
| 13:24.08 | graphyx | does anyone really have any need to watch the news any more? |
| 13:54.55 | goozbach | who needs the news? I've got slashdot at -1 |
| 13:55.43 | graphyx | goozbach: Well I don |
| 13:55.55 | graphyx | I don't know who is more biased slashdot at -1 or the new anchormen.. |
| 13:55.59 | graphyx | s/new/news/ |
| 14:03.58 | goozbach | graphyx: my point exactly |
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| 14:33.07 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, good ideas! |
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| 15:00.22 | graphyx | ping |
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| 15:22.09 | maquis | graphyx: pong |
| 15:22.41 | graphyx | wow... that's quite the latency.. ;) |
| 15:23.02 | maquis | yup... what can i say :) |
| 15:23.22 | maquis | at least it didn't drop cmpletely :) |
| 15:23.32 | graphyx | let me guess that ping had to go through a shower and/or breakfast slow down routine? |
| 15:24.06 | Supaplex | either that or he's running actiontec firmware |
| 15:25.13 | maquis | graphyx: shower and laptop-closed until just a minute or two ago |
| 15:25.18 | maquis | no breakfast |
| 15:25.41 | graphyx | Yeah water not being a very good conductor adds a ton of latency to ping. |
| 15:26.48 | tensai | since when has water not been a good conductor? |
| 15:31.00 | graphyx | pure water... |
| 15:31.29 | graphyx | which is really hard to find in any location. |
| 15:31.44 | graphyx | tensai: You got me. I'm full of it when it comes to chemistry. |
| 15:32.29 | tensai | graphyx: here's a little experiment you can do. draw a bath. plug in a toaster. jump into bathtub holding toaster. |
| 15:32.57 | tensai | hopefully you have GFC plugs in your bathroom, otherwise you may not get to record your results |
| 15:34.26 | Supaplex | so tensai, let us know how it goes |
| 15:35.37 | maquis | GFC? |
| 15:36.37 | Supaplex | ground fault interrupt |
| 15:48.05 | tensai | sorry, it's GFCI. ground fault circuit interrupt. |
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| 15:48.59 | tensai | if the amount of current coming back into the outlet doesn't equal the amount leaving, the circuit trips |
| 15:51.03 | tensai | none of the plugs in my house were gfci, so I installed them. fairly painless and kinda fun except that whoever did the tile work in my house was a complete buffoon. |
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| 16:08.50 | harleypig | Anyone have any experience with Spanish Fork's broadband access? |
| 16:09.05 | sjansen | My love is basically limited to old Zeldas. Super Mario Brothers 1 & 2. Tetris. Pipe Dream. Joust. And any Metroid old or new. |
| 16:09.27 | sjansen | And Dragon Warrior. |
| 16:09.36 | Jayce^ | a fellow geek in my ward had his kid in a zelda halloween costum at the ward carnival |
| 16:09.38 | harleypig | sjansen: Have you seen the commercials for the Marios Bros version of Dance Dance Revolution? |
| 16:09.47 | lars-ut | ~emulate simon |
| 16:09.48 | ibot | You wanna be very careful not to touch any of the grease 'cause it's kind of hot. |
| 16:09.57 | Jayce^ | well, LINK... his daughter was zelda :) |
| 16:10.03 | sjansen | harleypig: I don't have a TV at the moment. |
| 16:10.14 | harleypig | huh? Didn't catch ibot's reference |
| 16:10.25 | harleypig | sjansen: Ah. That's probably a good thing. |
| 16:10.34 | lars-ut | Who needs a TV if you have a tuner card or a broadband connection? |
| 16:11.04 | lars-ut | Wait - I forgot about DVDs & VHS. |
| 16:11.11 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, because it's so nice to watch football|good movies on a big screen |
| 16:11.20 | sjansen | I don't have a broadband connection. I've considered checking to see if they make PCMCIA/USB tuners but haven't done anything yet. |
| 16:11.26 | lars-ut | THat's what a project is for. |
| 16:11.31 | harleypig | http://www.classicgaming.com/tmk/ddrmm.shtml |
| 16:11.32 | brac | [TMK | Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix] |
| 16:11.40 | harleypig | woops .. how'd I do that? |
| 16:11.53 | sjansen | Just one of brac's "features". |
| 16:11.54 | harleypig | Oh ... ctrl-v by mistake. |
| 16:12.21 | lars-ut | still brac is a far shight better than the old bucky bot. |
| 16:13.11 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, hitting the drink a little early, 'eh? |
| 16:13.28 | lars-ut | late actually |
| 16:13.49 | lars-ut | I meant 'projector' in my earlier reply to you as well. |
| 16:14.08 | harleypig | erm ... can anyone tell me how to get to window 11 in irssi? |
| 16:15.03 | maquis | harleypig: should be alt-q |
| 16:15.13 | maquis | (or esc q) |
| 16:15.45 | harleypig | maquis: How new do you think I am? :> |
| 16:16.10 | lars-ut | Jayce^: I went to bed at 2AM after playing Greater Catan, and woke up at 5:50 for exercise. As a result my mental acuity isn't spot on this morning. |
| 16:16.23 | maquis | harleypig: well... you asked... :) |
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| 16:17.15 | lars-ut | ~emulate simon |
| 16:17.17 | ibot | Some guys are chasing after Cocofang! |
| 16:17.42 | harleypig | maquis: I tried it ... I see now ... so the twenties would start at esc-a ? |
| 16:17.55 | RyanE | harleypig: My Dad is on SF Internet access. It seems pretty fast when I'm there. The manager of their network lives a couple of houses down from me, and he told me that when they provision it, they're conservative to keep the bandwidth rates up. |
| 16:18.46 | RyanE | harleypig: you moving to Spanish Fork? |
| 16:18.55 | harleypig | RyanE: That's cool. Yeah. |
| 16:19.05 | harleypig | do you know how they are on heavy users? |
| 16:19.28 | Jayce^ | harleypig, you're personal weight doesn't factor into your internet usage |
| 16:19.30 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 16:20.09 | lars-ut | ~pimpslap Jayce^ |
| 16:20.11 | ibot | lars-ut pimpslaps Jayce^. ouch! |
| 16:20.16 | harleypig | ~slam Jayce^ |
| 16:20.18 | ibot | ACTION slams Jayce^ against a large cement Tux |
| 16:21.32 | lars-ut | ~emulate simon |
| 16:21.34 | ibot | You wanna be very careful not to touch any of the grease 'cause it's kind of hot. |
| 16:21.37 | maquis | harleypig: my understanding is that you can't get to the 20s... |
| 16:21.40 | maquis | but i could be wrong |
| 16:21.59 | RyanE | harleypig: Their official policy is that they don't support servers, but they don't crack down. As far as high-bandwidth non-server usage, I don't know, but it should be unlimited. |
| 16:22.07 | harleypig | maquis: s'all right ... Not sure I'd want 20 windows open. |
| 16:22.19 | maquis | :) |
| 16:22.24 | harleypig | RyanE: so bittorrent shouldn't be a problem? |
| 16:22.41 | RyanE | since cable is highly asymmetric. I would think so, but I haven't specifically asked about that. |
| 16:22.49 | RyanE | and my Dad doesn't torrent, that I know. |
| 16:23.15 | lars-ut | If BT was an issues it'd be hard for SF to have a competitive edge on Comcast |
| 16:23.50 | harleypig | maquis: close irc? |
| 16:23.51 | harleypig | :> |
| 16:24.19 | harleypig | lars-ut: It's a government agency, treating access as a utility ... they don't have to be reasonable. |
| 16:24.57 | lars-ut | tacpayer-funded? |
| 16:25.27 | lars-ut | s/tacpayer/taxpayer |
| 16:25.36 | maquis | -lart harleypig |
| 16:25.43 | lars-ut | ouch. |
| 16:26.02 | lars-ut | better be chipotle |
| 16:26.44 | maquis | our prof is talking about some function called "eval-thunk" |
| 16:27.18 | maquis | it cracks me up on some weird level |
| 16:27.52 | maquis | sjansen: i know... but it keeps me awake |
| 16:28.06 | sjansen | getting enough sleep would also keep you awake |
| 16:28.12 | maquis | and i get more if i'm awake and doing something else, than if i sleep in class |
| 16:28.24 | maquis | sjansen: i got to bed early last night... and it didn't help that much |
| 16:28.27 | sjansen | lars-ut: I decided "explain" was too long a word ;-) |
| 16:28.58 | lars-ut | depends on which finger you're pressing 'c' and 'x' with |
| 16:29.10 | harleypig | maquis: You could keep your contacts in the fridge (if you wear contacts). |
| 16:29.24 | maquis | harleypig: that might work for a bit... |
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| 16:29.49 | maquis | although, it might not be a good idea when my eyes are already complaining for no reason whatsoever |
| 16:30.14 | lars-ut | you could put hot sauce on your contacts while they're in the fridge - a kind of marinade. |
| 16:30.26 | harleypig | ow |
| 16:30.31 | maquis | *ouch* |
| 16:31.26 | lars-ut | pure capsicum might not even degrade the visual quality of the contact lens. |
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| 16:31.52 | lars-ut | or a clear habañero extract |
| 16:32.08 | graphyx | You guys are just plain evil. |
| 16:32.12 | hans | habanero |
| 16:32.16 | hans | no ~ |
| 16:32.24 | lars-ut | ~spell habanero |
| 16:32.39 | graphyx | I don't think being awake without the ability to see the board or focus on anything besides pain is going to help her focus more than being on IRC. |
| 16:33.05 | graphyx | hans: I don't think Ibot has spanish words. |
| 16:33.14 | hans | habanero - from havana |
| 16:33.19 | lars-ut | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsicum |
| 16:33.23 | hans | it's habana in spanish, not haban~a |
| 16:33.27 | brac | [Capsicum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia] |
| 16:33.28 | maquis | ah... |
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| 16:34.50 | Uncle_Jesse | greetings |
| 16:34.57 | Uncle_Jesse | back in VA for today |
| 16:35.38 | graphyx | back in Vulnerability Assessment? |
| 16:35.40 | Uncle_Jesse | did you know you can put more than one key in keys-eth1 on fedora? |
| 16:35.44 | Uncle_Jesse | Virginia |
| 16:35.50 | graphyx | Uncle_Jesse: j/k. |
| 16:35.57 | Uncle_Jesse | believe it or not it's colder here than in Utah |
| 16:36.23 | Uncle_Jesse | gotta drive the minivan out on Friday from here to Utah |
| 16:36.35 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: My father-in-law in Mississippi was complaining that it was 33 degrees last night, and he doesn't have a heater b/c Katrina put a tree through it |
| 16:37.03 | Tene | Uncle_Jesse: keys-eth1? |
| 16:37.04 | Uncle_Jesse | man - that sucks. Our heater wasn't on when I came home last night so I froze too at least for a little bit |
| 16:37.15 | emcnabb | sjansen, wanted me to say this on #utah: "Stuart is so awesome. He's my hero." |
| 16:37.28 | Uncle_Jesse | Tene: it's the wireless settings file in Fedora that stores WAP keys |
| 16:37.32 | Uncle_Jesse | WEP keys |
| 16:37.37 | Tene | ahh, 'kay |
| 16:37.48 | Tene | That crazy "wireless" thing. |
| 16:37.52 | Uncle_Jesse | Tene: at least I think that's it's main purpose - can't find many docs on it |
| 16:38.00 | maquis | emcnabb: that's nice of you to pretend that... :) |
| 16:38.03 | sjansen | emcnabb: you misunderstood, I wanted you to say it over jabber so I could include it when pasting your earlier comments to #utah |
| 16:38.08 | Uncle_Jesse | wireless is the one thing Linux lacks in usability |
| 16:38.16 | Uncle_Jesse | it's getting better though |
| 16:38.18 | emcnabb | haha |
| 16:38.22 | Tene | Oh, there are others. |
| 16:45.55 | Uncle_Jesse | who was it that was from Kentucky? |
| 16:46.13 | Uncle_Jesse | I want to pick up some good bbq when I drive through there (I-70) |
| 16:51.20 | tensai | jsmith: http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/ribs.jpg |
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| 16:51.41 | Jayce^ | tensai, that's evil... |
| 16:51.49 | tensai | muwahahahaha |
| 16:53.29 | jsmith | Tasty! |
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| 16:54.52 | tensai | http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_11125,00.html |
| 16:54.54 | brac | [Recipes : Who Loves Ya Baby-Back? : Food Network] |
| 16:55.03 | hans | mmm ribs |
| 16:56.15 | tensai | the rub in that recipe is like 50 cents worth of stuff. they sell rub at the store for 10x that much! |
| 16:57.26 | tensai | I always make mine with grape juice since there's no wine in the house. tastes great with either white or red grape juice |
| 17:00.38 | Jayce^ | alton has some great stuff |
| 17:02.14 | maquis | tensai: i want some |
| 17:04.00 | tensai | maquis: so make some. oh, wait. you're the one with only salt and pepper. yeah, you'll need to pick up a few spices. |
| 17:04.58 | hans | maquis: I'll send you some for $2+shipping |
| 17:05.08 | Jayce^ | mmm, spices |
| 17:05.19 | tensai | Jayce^: I'm going to make smoker in a clay pot some day. I've found where I can get all the pieces, just need to allocate funds. |
| 17:05.29 | tensai | s/make smoker/make his smoker/ |
| 17:05.43 | Jayce^ | yeah, his hot smoker was interesting.. |
| 17:05.53 | Jayce^ | he also does the cardboard box cold smoker |
| 17:06.43 | tensai | he did a garbage can smoker on NPR too |
| 17:20.49 | sjansen | hail the conquering Internet |
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| 17:21.58 | sjansen | I brought a cutter to work with my goiabada and cheese. emcnabb fell in love with it. 5 minutes later he'd found it a place to buy one himself. |
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| 17:24.03 | sjansen | even though I had no idea where I bought it, and there was not manufacturer mark anywhere on it |
| 17:25.38 | maquis | ~steal cheese from sjansen |
| 17:25.42 | ibot | ACTION grabs cheese from sjansen and gives it to sjansen |
| 17:25.49 | maquis | er |
| 17:25.57 | maquis | that didn't work |
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| 17:33.33 | hans | ~steal towel from maquis |
| 17:33.37 | ibot | ACTION grabs towel from maquis and gives it to sjansen |
| 17:35.12 | maquis | hey! |
| 17:35.14 | tensai | ~steal mojo from hans |
| 17:35.16 | ibot | ACTION grabs mojo from hans and gives it to sjansen |
| 17:35.16 | maquis | my towel! |
| 17:35.23 | hans | ~sjansen |
| 17:35.24 | ibot | it has been said that sjansen is one hoopey frood who really knows where his towel is |
| 17:41.58 | Bradipo | emcnabb: Care to share the URL to this spiffy cheese slicer? |
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| 17:44.01 | hans | that's his secret. amcnabb is the spiffy cheese slicer |
| 17:44.04 | hans | slave labor |
| 17:44.15 | harleypig | WAHOOO! Just got a sweet job! I start next Wednesday morning! |
| 17:44.27 | maquis | harleypig: whatcha doin? |
| 17:44.29 | Bradipo | I'm sitll looking for a good parmigiano mill. |
| 17:44.54 | Bradipo | I've gone through about 3 different graters for parmigiano, but they are all so messy and waste the precious cheese. |
| 17:45.05 | harleypig | maquis: Programming for United Online ( Jayce^ and Dan Hanks work there ). |
| 17:45.19 | amcnabb | I think I missed something. |
| 17:45.22 | maquis | cool |
| 17:45.24 | Bradipo | Of course, this has nothing to do with a cheese slicer... |
| 17:46.28 | maquis | ~invoke levi |
| 17:46.46 | neybar_work | congrats harleypig |
| 17:46.55 | maquis | agreed |
| 17:51.04 | Bradipo | But I need a good cheese slicer as well. |
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| 18:03.12 | emcnabb | Bradipo, http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000777JY6/qid=1130347144/sr=8-10/ref=pd_bbs_unbuck_10/103-0161111-8369407?v=glance&s=gourmet-food&n=1000 |
| 18:03.14 | brac | [ |
| 18:03.15 | brac | Amazon.com: Tri-Cut Cheese Slicer: Gourmet Food |
| 18:03.15 | brac | ] |
| 18:05.11 | amcnabb | Who's good at networking in Windows? |
| 18:05.23 | amcnabb | I was helping an apartment with their wireless setup last night and had some problems. |
| 18:05.31 | amcnabb | Here's the situation: |
| 18:05.48 | amcnabb | There are four computers with wireless, and three of them can get on just fine. |
| 18:06.22 | amcnabb | The fourth computer can get on and can route anywhere on the Internet, but DNS is screwy. |
| 18:06.55 | amcnabb | Running nslookup on a name works just fine, but when any normal application tries to use a name, it gives an error that DNS resolution failed. |
| 18:07.11 | amcnabb | Any ideas of where to start looking? |
| 18:08.25 | emcnabb | amcnabb, is this a girl's apartment you're helping out? |
| 18:08.50 | amcnabb | Yes (does that mean you'll help?) |
| 18:08.53 | harleypig | amcnabb: I know this is a simple suggestion, but release and renew? |
| 18:09.20 | amcnabb | harleypig, it never hurts to recommend the simple stuff, but yes, I tried that. |
| 18:09.35 | harleypig | and what about the hosts file? (can't remember the location) |
| 18:09.54 | amcnabb | I tried turning of LMHOSTS resolution, and that didn't seem to make a difference. |
| 18:10.08 | amcnabb | I also tried adding 192.168.1.1 to the manual list of DNS servers. |
| 18:10.20 | tensai | is it set to use a proxy? |
| 18:10.26 | emcnabb | amcnabb, are you dating one of those girls? (I'm sure mom would be excited to know) |
| 18:10.27 | amcnabb | No. |
| 18:10.28 | hans | and/or is automatic proxy on |
| 18:10.38 | hans | emcnabb: sounds like he is |
| 18:10.40 | harleypig | amcnabb: That's the extent of my memory of Windows networking. |
| 18:10.42 | amcnabb | emcnabb, I'm sure she would be, but no. |
| 18:10.44 | emcnabb | w00t! |
| 18:10.58 | amcnabb | hans, I'm not familiar with automatic proxy. How's that work? |
| 18:11.10 | tensai | amcnabb: that's the point. it doesn't. :) |
| 18:11.12 | amcnabb | emcnabb, what are you excited about? |
| 18:11.16 | hans | internet options (aka IE prefs), automatically detec proxy |
| 18:11.29 | hans | will look up http://mydomain.com/wpad.dat |
| 18:11.33 | hans | and various variations |
| 18:11.36 | emcnabb | hans thought that it sounded like you were dating here |
| 18:11.36 | amcnabb | I'll have to check that, then. |
| 18:11.37 | emcnabb | her |
| 18:11.38 | hans | and if it finds it, apply that proxy info |
| 18:12.07 | tensai | does name resolution fail from all applications, eg. ping, telnet, tracert? |
| 18:12.15 | amcnabb | tensai, yes. |
| 18:12.22 | hans | hmm, woudlnt' be proxy then |
| 18:12.26 | amcnabb | Hmm. |
| 18:12.34 | emcnabb | amcnabb, this is also a simple question, did you reboot it yet? |
| 18:12.46 | emcnabb | (that's windows debugging for you) |
| 18:12.48 | amcnabb | Twice. Maybe I should try three or four more reboots. |
| 18:12.49 | hans | what about wiping the hard drive and reinstalling windows? |
| 18:12.55 | tensai | stick a sniffer on it and see if any dns packets are going out |
| 18:12.58 | hans | that's also standard windows debugging |
| 18:13.04 | amcnabb | hans, I suppose that would work. :) |
| 18:13.11 | tensai | try a hard boot, ie. one with steel toes |
| 18:13.19 | emcnabb | amcnabb, are there any firewalling rules set? |
| 18:13.29 | hans | amcnabb: then you can not-date while you wait for windows to install |
| 18:13.31 | amcnabb | The Windows Firewall control panel says it's off. |
| 18:13.45 | hans | has norton touched this machine? |
| 18:13.51 | tensai | or AOL? |
| 18:13.57 | Josh_F | norton never just touches |
| 18:14.08 | tensai | ~slap norton |
| 18:14.10 | ibot | ACTION slaps norton, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 18:14.10 | amcnabb | norton may have (I didn't pay attention), but I'm sure AOL hasn't. |
| 18:14.12 | emcnabb | have you tried running ethereal or something to to see what traffic is actually being produced? |
| 18:14.46 | amcnabb | emcnabb, I should do that. (I didn't have my laptop there last night) |
| 18:15.02 | emcnabb | you could even install it onto the windows box itself |
| 18:15.03 | amcnabb | If norton has been on there, what should I check for? |
| 18:15.06 | tensai | ethereal runs on windows too |
| 18:15.09 | amcnabb | ok |
| 18:15.12 | hans | cockroaches |
| 18:15.30 | hans | i've seen ethereal on windows not see every packet though |
| 18:15.35 | emcnabb | maybe she has messed something up in the registry so that you stick around the apartment |
| 18:15.38 | hans | so if a laptop on the network is possible, much better. |
| 18:15.46 | hans | she's really an ubergeek |
| 18:15.46 | amcnabb | emcnabb, not bloody likely |
| 18:15.50 | emcnabb | haha |
| 18:16.30 | tensai | wait, wait, wait. did you forget Step 1, wave a dead chicken around? |
| 18:16.40 | synic | what can you use to make .ico files in linux? |
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| 18:16.49 | tensai | synic: convert |
| 18:16.52 | synic | k |
| 18:17.00 | amcnabb | I don't have a dead chicken, and that would completely destroy the chances of dating that you're all hoping for so much. |
| 18:17.27 | hans | well, maybe a deodorized drumstick then. |
| 18:17.35 | hans | or order in kfc next time. |
| 18:17.42 | amcnabb | So the consensus is: use ethereal, and if I can't find anything, reinstall. |
| 18:17.57 | hans | don't forget to ask on waa or ##windows |
| 18:18.29 | Josh_F | you might try system file checker , sfc /scannow with cmd |
| 18:19.00 | amcnabb | Josh_F, what does it check for? |
| 18:19.26 | tensai | http://rfc.net/rfc2321.html |
| 18:19.28 | brac | [RFC2321] |
| 18:19.33 | Josh_F | checks system files :) more info here: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=310747 |
| 18:19.35 | brac | [Description of Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 System File Checker (Sfc.exe)] |
| 18:20.39 | amcnabb | Interesting. |
| 18:21.05 | Josh_F | a lot of spyware will wreak havoc on DNS also, I would install, updated and run spybot before reinstalling windows |
| 18:21.35 | emcnabb | Josh_F, good point |
| 18:22.08 | Josh_F | also, "hijack this" is another very useful program, not for newbies, but you can figure it out |
| 18:22.09 | amcnabb | I feel like I've got some place to start from now. |
| 18:22.16 | amcnabb | Last night I was completely confused. |
| 18:22.43 | hans | ubergeek girls love that. they think it's cute |
| 18:22.52 | Josh_F | the confusion? |
| 18:23.15 | amcnabb | Why nslookup can work but apps can't resolve names. That's weird. |
| 18:23.29 | hans | actually had that on linux before |
| 18:24.10 | emcnabb | I'm sure she was staring at your fingers as they gracefully moved around the keyboard |
| 18:24.52 | emcnabb | amcnabb, I believe that nslookup has its own resolution system built into it (at least the Linux version does) |
| 18:24.53 | Josh_F | here is a pretty good guide for those not familiar with windows for removing spyware, trojans etc |
| 18:24.55 | Josh_F | http://forums.majorgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=35407 |
| 18:24.56 | brac | [MajorGeeks Support Forums - READ & RUN ME FIRST Before Asking for Support] |
| 18:25.01 | hans | ooooh, hit ctrl-c again! I love that! |
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| 18:25.38 | emcnabb | "look at those strong fingers" |
| 18:26.06 | emcnabb | "they are so quick and nimble" |
| 18:29.56 | emcnabb | (it's basically just dating advice) |
| 18:34.36 | sjansen | spyware replacing a system .dll would definetly explain the problem |
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| 18:36.36 | findlay | is it still DDR if it only has memory chips on one side? |
| 18:37.12 | findlay | I have a stick of RAM that claims it's DDR but only uses one side |
| 18:37.20 | hans | is it still a duck if it has only one wing? |
| 18:37.50 | findlay | I thought that being DDR meant that it used the pins on both sides of the wafer |
| 18:38.23 | hans | if it acts, works, sounds, and tastes like ddr, then it must be ddr |
| 18:38.34 | hans | if it doesn't, then it's probably broken or not ddr |
| 18:39.01 | findlay | how do you know if it acts, works, tastes, and smells like DDR? |
| 18:39.14 | hans | stick it in your computer and see if it blows up? |
| 18:39.55 | amcnabb | sjansen, I don't think that would work very well. |
| 18:40.11 | findlay | I must have an unfortunate comfirmation then; no explosions here |
| 18:41.45 | tensai | it would be ddr form factor. ddr won't fit into non-ddr slots |
| 18:42.24 | tensai | or you can try licking it. ddr tastes a little sweeter. rambus will cut your tongue and give you hives. |
| 18:54.10 | Josh_F | DDR = 1 notch on bottom of chip non DDR = 2 notches |
| 18:55.25 | findlay | so it doesn't matter to the data bandwidth at all if one half of the RAM socket appears to be unused |
| 18:56.30 | findlay | and who knows that opposite pins are the same pin in the first place |
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| 19:06.12 | Newsome | BYU surplus sale today from 5:15 to 6:30 |
| 19:07.50 | spr | sweet |
| 19:08.20 | findlay | does anybody here have an AIM account? |
| 19:09.04 | Newsome | The email says this, but I'm not sure how exactly they mean it - "Just remember that we are taking donations for the Food Bank. Don?t forget to bring your food items to get in to the Surplus Sale today." |
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| 19:13.07 | spr | hm, well, I've got a can of green beans.. |
| 19:14.27 | amcnabb | That's strange wording. |
| 19:15.00 | Newsome | maybe keep it in your car, and if they require it for you to get in, run back out and get it |
| 19:20.34 | sjansen | canned green beans? no, just get rid of them |
| 19:22.15 | tensai | or keep the can in your pocket and elicit strange reactions from others |
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| 19:31.54 | findlay | stupid AOL |
| 19:31.58 | findlay | ~lart AOL |
| 19:32.18 | tensai | findlay: stop being redundant, please |
| 19:32.53 | tensai | just "AOL" will convey the same message |
| 19:33.01 | emcnabb | dang, I wish I was there for the surplus sale |
| 19:33.20 | findlay | I'm never redundant, I mean I hardly ever repeat what I say in a more obfuscated manner the second time |
| 19:33.36 | maquis | emcnabb: what do you want to get at the surplus sale? |
| 19:34.05 | emcnabb | I just like looking for gems |
| 19:34.12 | emcnabb | "classic" computers |
| 19:34.26 | amcnabb | findlay: redundant does not mean repeating yourself several times. It means that you use unnecessary words. I think you're clearly guilty. :) |
| 19:34.39 | graphyx | what building/room is the surplus sale going on? |
| 19:34.58 | maquis | emcnabb: ah |
| 19:36.15 | spr | graphyx, OIT building on University Ave. (old UVSC building) |
| 19:36.30 | graphyx | k |
| 19:36.42 | graphyx | I don't think I will go, but sometimes it is fun. |
| 19:38.16 | emcnabb | I've bought way too much stuff at surplus sales |
| 19:38.36 | emcnabb | example: http://evan.mcnabbs.org/tmp/serverrack/ |
| 19:40.00 | maquis | tensai: i'll help |
| 19:40.02 | tensai | I can't be patient with those around |
| 19:40.06 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, amateur :) |
| 19:40.24 | emcnabb | that was 3 years ago, in college |
| 19:40.31 | emcnabb | did you have a rack then? :-) |
| 19:40.45 | Jayce^ | 3 years ago, yeah |
| 19:40.46 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 19:41.00 | emcnabb | in college? :-) |
| 19:41.12 | emcnabb | Jayce^, I'm not nearly as old as you are |
| 19:41.13 | Jayce^ | remember, I got married *before* graduating :) |
| 19:41.21 | emcnabb | gramps |
| 19:41.31 | Jayce^ | I'm not *that* old... |
| 19:41.35 | emcnabb | sure... |
| 19:42.03 | Josh_F | emcnabb: the best part is the one lowly power strip connecting it to the wall :) |
| 19:42.06 | Jayce^ | actually, we've got adminsmurf on... he's older :) |
| 19:42.07 | tensai | Jayce^: maybe not technically that old, but having kids speeds up the process |
| 19:42.16 | Jayce^ | tensai, that's true |
| 19:42.32 | findlay | goozbach: do you remember how you found out my slasndot ID, out of curiosity? |
| 19:43.29 | emcnabb | Josh_F, there was a UPS in there though :-) |
| 19:43.32 | amcnabb | Jayce^ gave me my current rack, which is awesome. |
| 19:43.51 | amcnabb | at least, after I painted it black :) |
| 19:43.56 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, so yes, I did have my first rack while still in college... |
| 19:44.26 | Jayce^ | I would've loved to have seen you guys take that up into an apartment.. |
| 19:44.35 | emcnabb | I really want to get another rack, but that won't go over well right now |
| 19:44.36 | Josh_F | emcnabb: cool :) |
| 19:44.52 | emcnabb | she's not to happy about the Mac mini I'm going to be getting in two months |
| 19:45.01 | emcnabb | she = wife |
| 19:45.03 | amcnabb | Mac mini's are cool. |
| 19:45.15 | maquis | emcnabb: you need a geek... |
| 19:45.19 | emcnabb | yeah, I really would like to have a MacOS X box |
| 19:45.26 | maquis | :-P |
| 19:45.27 | emcnabb | maquis, she is VERY flexible |
| 19:45.28 | Jayce^ | gotta hack in frontrow.. |
| 19:45.31 | amcnabb | Lisa's awesome. |
| 19:46.02 | emcnabb | she let me get a new laptop ($3000) two months after we had been married |
| 19:46.16 | maquis | emcnabb: good point |
| 19:46.25 | maquis | and she let you have penguins at the reception |
| 19:47.46 | spr | amcnabb's rack: http://spr.mahonri5.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=366 |
| 19:47.50 | brac | [rack01] |
| 19:48.07 | spr | It's missing most of the stuff it has now (UPS, monitor, vcr) |
| 19:48.55 | amcnabb | Also the firewall. |
| 19:49.26 | emcnabb | spr and amcnabb, you guys have a freakin' sweet apartment, I have to admit |
| 19:49.27 | Newsome | spr: fill it up later today! |
| 19:49.32 | amcnabb | :) |
| 19:49.53 | emcnabb | Newsome, you ready for tonight's game? |
| 19:50.08 | Newsome | emcnabb: Oh yeah. |
| 19:50.19 | emcnabb | I hope it's not as long as last night's |
| 19:50.32 | Newsome | I may need to go out and get some no-doz, though, just in case it goes to extra-extra innings |
| 19:50.55 | emcnabb | haha |
| 19:52.09 | emcnabb | lunch break is over... back to work |
| 19:52.27 | Jayce^ | does look better with the black |
| 19:52.32 | Jayce^ | adminsmurf, you recognize that rack? |
| 19:55.49 | graphyx | Newsome: You guys planing settlers? |
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| 19:57.58 | graphyx | hey who is a freebsd pro? |
| 19:58.13 | graphyx | How can I identify what binary is being the service for an open port? |
| 19:58.25 | maquis | graphyx: is nmap not telling you? |
| 19:58.42 | graphyx | no response from any port probe whether over telnet/nc/nmap or amap. |
| 19:59.17 | Bradipo | graphyx: fstat maybe? |
| 19:59.32 | maquis | netstat? |
| 19:59.41 | emcnabb | graphyx, White Sox game (World Series) |
| 19:59.47 | Bradipo | maquis: I don't know if netstat on *BSD does that. |
| 20:00.01 | maquis | Bradipo: that's ok... i'm just guessing :) |
| 20:00.18 | Bradipo | Well, I'm fairly certain fstat should show it, but there may be an option for netstat... |
| 20:02.48 | maquis | cool |
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| 20:05.21 | vontrapp | what was the program that will output a range of numbers mixed in with strings? |
| 20:06.43 | RyanE | back in my day, we had to make our own racks out of salvaged scrap wood. |
| 20:07.06 | Bradipo | jot maybe? |
| 20:07.15 | emcnabb | you had wood? luck dogs... |
| 20:07.54 | vontrapp | what the heck, screen is cutting off the first letters of nicks and lines said and all kinds of things |
| 20:08.06 | vontrapp | Bradipo: ?ot? |
| 20:08.06 | Bradipo | ctrl-a l |
| 20:08.18 | Bradipo | jot |
| 20:08.25 | Bradipo | jay oh tee. |
| 20:08.30 | vontrapp | still didn't get the first letter |
| 20:08.43 | vontrapp | ctrl-a l didn't help |
| 20:08.55 | vontrapp | it started when i started a screen session with -U |
| 20:09.01 | Bradipo | julia roberts, oprah winfrey, thomas jefferson. |
| 20:09.11 | Bradipo | Take the first letter from each of those. |
| 20:09.12 | vontrapp | but now even without -U it 's all wiggy |
| 20:09.27 | lars-ut | vontrap: jjjjj ooooooo ttttt three letters.. |
| 20:09.35 | vontrapp | 14:08 <radipo>ay oh tee. |
| 20:09.43 | vontrapp | still don't know the first letter :-/ |
| 20:10.04 | RyanE | jay jay jay jay jay |
| 20:10.04 | Bradipo | You should be able to guess who ``ulia roberts'' is though, right? |
| 20:10.06 | hans | vontrapp: I saw that today when running irssi in screen when screen was started from putty |
| 20:10.29 | Bradipo | What does -U do anyway? |
| 20:10.29 | vontrapp | jay, yes, that's it, thx |
| 20:10.38 | vontrapp | UTF-8 |
| 20:10.38 | RyanE | ot-jay |
| 20:10.57 | Bradipo | Fun. That would explain why some of your words didn't render for me... |
| 20:11.02 | Bradipo | but now even without -U it 's all wiggy |
| 20:11.17 | vontrapp | Bradipo: oh, i didn't realize that's what those names were ;) |
| 20:11.58 | Bradipo | Yeah, you were supposed to take the first letter of the person and then arrive at jot... |
| 20:12.00 | hans | um, so what is jot? |
| 20:12.10 | Bradipo | jot is like seq, but better. :-) |
| 20:14.14 | hans | hmm, who would be calling my business number (which I still have a hard time remembering) from massachusetts? |
| 20:14.17 | hans | boston suburbs |
| 20:14.40 | hans | and then not leave a message |
| 20:15.07 | amcnabb | Does anyone know where to look for affordable new or used TVs about 29 inches (CRT)? |
| 20:15.17 | hans | DI? |
| 20:15.19 | amcnabb | My roommate just moved out with his? |
| 20:15.31 | amcnabb | I went to DI a while ago and all of theirs were awful. |
| 20:15.34 | amcnabb | Is there a good day to go? |
| 20:15.43 | tensai | hans: Miguel de Icaza. he's from Cambridge, I believe |
| 20:15.48 | hans | yeah, the day when a good one is there. |
| 20:16.09 | hans | tensai: oh that's probably it. we tell jokes about sjansen behind his back all the time |
| 20:17.35 | amcnabb | I don't know why I always mix up periods and question marks. |
| 20:17.51 | amcnabb | They don't really look the same |
| 20:27.10 | JoshH | ive never seen anything non-awful at the DI as far as electronics go |
| 20:27.49 | RyanE | me either. ID sucks for electronics. |
| 20:27.50 | hans | except for cables |
| 20:27.59 | JoshH | which is understandable, because if i had a nice 29 inch CRT that worked well i wouldn't want to donate it to the DI |
| 20:28.02 | hans | got me a great null modem cable for a few cents |
| 20:28.19 | JoshH | heh, cents |
| 20:28.51 | JoshH | does the mormon church actually try to make a profit from the DI, or is it just a way to give needy people things for a low price |
| 20:28.53 | emcnabb | I have seen some pretty cool stuff though that no one buys (because most people don't know what it is) |
| 20:29.03 | emcnabb | such as old unix boxes |
| 20:29.07 | JoshH | that kind of pays for itself |
| 20:29.08 | maquis | ooh... |
| 20:29.12 | graphyx | I got a cisco 678 modem for $10 and resold it for $80. |
| 20:29.22 | Bradipo | JoshH: Its more like a welfare institution. |
| 20:29.40 | Bradipo | Gives people a chance to work and also provides cheap goods for the needy. |
| 20:29.41 | JoshH | i have only been to the DI about 5 times, maybe thats why ive never seen any cool hardware |
| 20:29.42 | hans | i think it tries to be self sustaining, but yeah basically a way to get used stuff to people that need it |
| 20:30.24 | emcnabb | if I have time to kill and I drive past one I usually stop |
| 20:30.48 | hans | although the system isn't perfect, as we can see by the failure to provide amcnabb with what he needs. ;-) |
| 20:31.10 | emcnabb | last week up in Layton I started eyeing a ancient machine; this guy comes up to look at it too |
| 20:31.15 | emcnabb | we chated for bit |
| 20:31.26 | emcnabb | and it turns out he was a hard core linux user |
| 20:32.11 | emcnabb | geeks gravitate towards the same stuff I guess |
| 20:33.03 | emcnabb | with DI you'll never find what you're looking for (electronics-wise), but you may find something you never knew you needed :-) |
| 20:33.08 | RyanE | *cheap* geeks gravitate towards the same kinds of stuff. I know some geeks that'll spend $$$ on new big-screen TV's... I don't gravitate that way. |
| 20:33.28 | graphyx | It's the geeks with families to support that gravitate towards the DI tuff. |
| 20:35.38 | hans | better than being tired of work |
| 20:35.42 | hans | at least school will end in n years |
| 20:35.59 | maquis | hans: true |
| 20:36.16 | maquis | currently with n being around 5/6 |
| 20:38.29 | hans | cool, 5/6 isn't log |
| 20:38.31 | hans | er, long |
| 20:38.42 | hans | or is that 5/6 of a decade? |
| 20:38.53 | maquis | hans: true, but right now, it does seem really long |
| 20:38.57 | maquis | august is a long ways away |
| 20:39.13 | emcnabb | it goes by quickly |
| 20:39.20 | hans | -math 5/6 |
| 20:39.20 | brac | 0 |
| 20:39.25 | maquis | emcnabb: that's good to hear |
| 20:39.27 | hans | maquis: you'r'e done |
| 20:39.35 | maquis | hans: haha |
| 20:39.39 | tensai | -math 5.0/6.0 |
| 20:39.40 | brac | 0.833333333333333 |
| 20:40.30 | hans | then you'ull go on to an irc-intolerant job with a pointy-haired boss |
| 20:40.39 | hans | when you're ready to come back to grad school, we'll be here for you |
| 20:41.59 | maquis | hans: it's not irc-intolerant |
| 20:42.00 | RyanE | I smell Ruby |
| 20:42.10 | maquis | and the bosses aren't pointy-haired |
| 20:42.23 | RyanE | some of them have *no* hair. :) |
| 20:42.55 | emcnabb | they patented irc-tolerance |
| 20:43.09 | RyanE | as long as they're not SSH-intolerant, they don't need to KNOW to be irc-intolerant. :) |
| 20:43.14 | maquis | off to classs |
| 20:43.43 | emcnabb | maquis, sorry I give you such a hard time about your company's patent record :-) |
| 20:45.04 | hans | oh, you're already lined up then. amazon? |
| 20:45.23 | hans | RyanE: ruby? where? |
| 20:46.07 | emcnabb | well, she was last summer |
| 20:46.18 | emcnabb | I'm not sure about a full time job |
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| 20:50.10 | RyanE | hans: the way brac handles integer vs. floating point arithmetic smells like Ruby |
| 20:50.23 | hans | ah. yes it is ruby |
| 20:50.34 | RyanE | I seem to recall you saying it was. |
| 20:50.42 | hans | but ruby isn't the only language to act that way |
| 20:50.52 | RyanE | before he was the bot formerly known as Pratt |
| 20:51.06 | RyanE | yeah, but the numbers caused me to think Ruby |
| 20:51.12 | hans | right, and he's a reincarnation of the bot formerly known as brigham |
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| 20:54.16 | tensai | emcnabb: well, we forgive you for your company's hiring record |
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| 21:01.17 | goozbach | tensai: they hired me, how bad could it be? |
| 21:01.25 | goozbach | don't answer that |
| 21:01.29 | tensai | ... |
| 21:03.13 | emcnabb | it could be worse, we could have hired Jayce^ |
| 21:04.01 | Jayce^ | ~smack emcnabb |
| 21:04.03 | ibot | ACTION smacks emcnabb upside the head. |
| 21:04.20 | tensai | Jayce^: smacked him pretty hard there |
| 21:04.30 | tensai | quick, try sjansen |
| 21:04.45 | Jayce^ | ~smack sjansen |
| 21:04.47 | ibot | ACTION smacks sjansen upside the head. |
| 21:04.50 | Jayce^ | dang |
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| 21:09.25 | goozbach | you hit him so hard his server disconnected. |
| 21:09.33 | goozbach | that's cool |
| 21:09.44 | emcnabb | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 21:09.47 | Jayce^ | ph34r teh 0ps |
| 21:10.00 | emcnabb | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 21:10.07 | emcnabb | that's much better |
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| 21:19.36 | tensai | Jayce^: the bucky treatment. is that where you whine about corrupt politicians and the mormon church until nobody wants you around? |
| 21:20.42 | Jayce^ | no, that's the bucky action, I meant how we treat it |
| 21:21.30 | tensai | Jayce^: well, this is emcnabb so why not both? |
| 21:23.34 | emcnabb | Jayce^ is too nice to kick me |
| 21:23.46 | emcnabb | he's a long time friend |
| 21:24.00 | *** kick/#utah [emcnabb!n=Jayce_@pollux.northsky.com] by Jayce^ (Jayce^) |
| 21:24.05 | Jayce^ | whoops :-0 |
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| 21:24.11 | RyanE | hehe |
| 21:24.13 | emcnabb | dang you |
| 21:24.19 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 21:24.32 | tensai | Jayce^ and I go way back. he's too nice to give me a million dollars. |
| 21:24.40 | RyanE | dorks on parade! |
| 21:25.11 | *** mode/#utah [+o goozbach] by ChanServ |
| 21:25.30 | goozbach | dang, not quick enough |
| 21:25.56 | Jayce^ | sorry, have trouble with those context switches |
| 21:25.57 | emcnabb | at least goozbach will be nice to me |
| 21:26.57 | *** kick/#utah [emcnabb!n=goozbach@207.108.175.219] by goozbach (nicely you see) |
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| 21:27.22 | sjansen | ~praise goozbach |
| 21:27.23 | ibot | All hail goozbach! |
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| 21:32.17 | hans | -time nl |
| 21:32.21 | hans | ~time nl |
| 21:32.35 | hans | stupid bots. what are they good for? |
| 21:33.20 | goozbach | -lart timee |
| 21:34.45 | jsmith | hans: Absolutely nothing! |
| 21:35.05 | hans | well I wouldn't go that far. they're good for the weather. |
| 21:35.09 | hans | -weather klru |
| 21:35.10 | brac | 23 minutes ago, on Wed Oct 26 21:12:00 UTC 2005, the wind was blowing at a speed of 5.66 meters per second (12.66 miles per hour), with gusts to 7.72 meters per second (17.26 miles per hour), from the Southwest at KLRU. The temperature was 24 degrees Celsius (75 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1014 hPa (29.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 19.1%. The sky was clear. |
| 21:35.26 | hans | beautiful day, here. |
| 21:35.37 | sjansen | So driving back to work just a bit ago, I saw all the kids leaving scholl and thought "now there was one nice thing about high school". |
| 21:35.50 | tensai | you knew how to spell? |
| 21:36.01 | jsmith | hans: No, that's what Asterisk servers are good for. |
| 21:36.04 | Jayce^ | you were around other single people? |
| 21:36.14 | sjansen | Then I saw more kids and remembered, there's one big problem with high school: high school students. |
| 21:36.57 | sjansen | Jayce^, tensai: no, getting out at 3:30, silly |
| 21:40.53 | *** mode/#utah [+o hans] by ChanServ |
| 21:41.01 | *** kick/#utah [sjansen!n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net] by hans (er, I meant emcnab...) |
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| 21:41.24 | sjansen | hans: need to work on your aim there buddy |
| 21:41.32 | emcnabb | go hans go! |
| 21:41.48 | hans | that's the problem. AOL has given me brain damage through their IM protocol. |
| 21:46.57 | graphyx | hey what is the command on cvs to see what modules are available on a server? |
| 21:50.17 | sjansen | graphyx: rls perhaps? |
| 21:50.23 | graphyx | sjansen: I am not using, just confirming that is what the port is used for on a server |
| 21:50.59 | lars-ut | "I learned it by watching you alright?! I learned it by watching you..." |
| 21:51.06 | sjansen | someone is using cvs pserver? |
| 21:51.36 | lars-ut | sjansen if you picked up on this reference I'm impressed |
| 21:53.09 | graphyx | lars-ut: It is just an old anti-drug ad in the 90's. |
| 21:53.18 | lars-ut | wow |
| 21:53.33 | tensai | just like "this is your brain. this is your brain on drug. any questions?" |
| 21:53.54 | lars-ut | Don't forget the older GI Joe PSAs |
| 21:53.57 | JoshH | anyone know if you can change the username/password/etc in an actiontec from a telnet instead of the web interface? |
| 21:54.01 | sjansen | ketchup is a veggie! |
| 21:54.29 | graphyx | can anyone help me out with the cvs thingy? I have to at least confirm that port is cvs before I go home. |
| 21:54.33 | tensai | JoshH: you can change it in /etc/passwd I believe, but I don't think that saves it to nvram |
| 21:55.10 | JoshH | hmm, ok |
| 21:55.14 | tensai | er, /etc/shadow I guess |
| 21:55.37 | sjansen | graphyx: rls isn't the command? |
| 21:55.53 | graphyx | sjansen: I didn't have it on my system. |
| 21:56.00 | graphyx | after downloading the cvs program. |
| 21:56.18 | tensai | JoshH: well, passwd doesn't seem to work. honestly, I'd be surprised if there was a way. |
| 21:56.37 | sjansen | graphyx: cvs rls / cvs rls CVSROOT |
| 21:56.44 | JoshH | the stupid web interface doesnt work right in links |
| 21:57.15 | sjansen | of course, you'll have to set your CVSROOT first (beware that cvs overloads terminology so this second CVSROOT isn't the same as the first CVSROOT) |
| 21:58.13 | graphyx | what about for a remote server? |
| 21:58.20 | graphyx | where do I put that part in? |
| 21:59.26 | tensai | JoshH: it can be done. cat >/var/tmp/shadow |
| 21:59.29 | sjansen | cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs@server.example.com<something or other I forget> |
| 21:59.58 | sjansen | graphyx: looks like you're going to have to mosey on over to cvshome.org and read the sederquist |
| 21:59.59 | tensai | JoshH: then fill in with a shadow line containing the new password. making a backup copy would certainly be a good idea |
| 22:00.10 | graphyx | sjansen: Thanks. |
| 22:00.19 | JoshH | tensai: ah, thats the admin login... im talking about the username for the ISP |
| 22:00.40 | tensai | oh, I see |
| 22:01.23 | JoshH | thanks though, ill keep checking around |
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| 22:11.10 | tensai | JoshH: I don't see it. somehow the username gets passed to pppd through init. the only script that runs is /etc/init.d/rcS, but I see no mention of pppd in there. |
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| 22:12.47 | sjansen | is the username in a chatscript perhaps? |
| 22:13.02 | graphyx | sjansen: I got the cvs attempt. Thanks. |
| 22:13.19 | sjansen | graphyx: I'll invoice you later. |
| 22:13.27 | tensai | # ls -l /etc/ppp |
| 22:13.27 | tensai | lrwxrwxrwx 1 501 501 14 Jan 9 2004 resolv.conf -> ../resolv.conf |
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| 22:14.46 | sjansen | ls -l /etc/chatscripts |
| 22:15.30 | tensai | sorry, no such directory |
| 22:16.14 | tensai | there's no grep -r, ls -R, find. I hate this thing. openwrt is so much better. |
| 22:18.47 | sjansen | tensai: be honest now, is openwrt "better" or are you just a stinky pants? |
| 22:19.21 | hans | why. why hasn't something better than the mess that is autoconf/automake/etc. arisen? |
| 22:19.56 | jsmith | hans: Amen! |
| 22:20.35 | hans | so many people don't use it because it's a huge learning curve (and really in the end is it worth it?) |
| 22:20.53 | hans | but so many custom build environments is just a pain |
| 22:21.19 | hans | just getting things to install in /usr/local can be a major undertaking with some of these custom build environments |
| 22:21.49 | graphyx | does rlogin use the usernames/passwords in etc/passwd and /etc/shadow? |
| 22:23.07 | tensai | it uses system logins, yes. that may be /etc/passwd, nis, ldap, etc. |
| 22:23.33 | jsmith | hans: That's why I prefer a well-designed Makefile :-) |
| 22:26.23 | hans | Yeah, that is often the best approach I think. Customize the top. |
| 22:26.35 | hans | but it has to be well-designed. there are a lot of half-baked makefiles |
| 22:27.06 | hans | because the developer doesn't realize that people actually care about where it gets installed, or it doesn't occur to them that they might like to set some CFLAGS, etc. |
| 22:31.47 | jsmith | hans: Amen, brother! Praise the code and pass the mashed potatoes |
| 22:31.57 | hans | ~mash jsmith |
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| 22:33.29 | hans | pmk looks promising |
| 22:34.08 | jsmith | hans: I liked your post though -- that too has been a pet peeve of mine (although I thought the Makefile had support for INSTALL_PREFIX) |
| 22:34.23 | hans | there's some support |
| 22:34.29 | hans | but not all the pieces play |
| 22:34.40 | hans | I can't remember off the top of my head, but it seems like the sound files maybe |
| 22:34.57 | jsmith | Figures. |
| 22:35.07 | hans | building 1.2 and ditching debian for asterisk is on my list, I'll take copious notes when I do. :) |
| 22:35.28 | jsmith | Please do, and then file a bug. :-) |
| 22:35.39 | sjansen | hans is ditching debian?! |
| 22:35.41 | hans | ditching dpkg, rather. just because I want to be very familiar with building it so if I drum up clients I'll know how to do it snappy-like |
| 22:35.56 | sjansen | hans has been converted to the way of the rpm?! |
| 22:36.06 | jsmith | hans: If you really hate yourself, try building an RPM of Asterisk :-) |
| 22:36.21 | hans | ha, I'd rather never touch RPM |
| 22:36.28 | hans | as a user or a packager |
| 22:36.39 | jsmith | Somehow, that doesn't surprise me. |
| 22:37.01 | jsmith | I love packages when they're done right, and absolutely hate them when they're done wrong. |
| 22:37.12 | tensai | building from source isn't bad. took me 4-5 times to resolve missing dependencies. sure would be nice to have autoconf/automake support. :D |
| 22:38.47 | jsmith | No, building from source isn't bad, as long as you know what you're doing. There are some dependencies (newt-devel, for example) that don't keep things from building (zaptel, in this case), but make it so that useful tools (zttool) don't get built. |
| 22:38.51 | hans | autoconf is evil, I've decided. It's nice for the user (when it behaves) but way overcomplicated for the developer. but people ask for autoconf support, and developers cave and give it. it's a vicious cycle. |
| 22:38.54 | jsmith | And of course, the Makefile doesn't tell yo uthat. |
| 22:39.05 | hans | well a good readme should list all reqs |
| 22:39.12 | hans | autoconf or no |
| 22:39.38 | hans | that's part of what's lame about autoconf - waiting 30 seconds on a small project to find out that I don't have dependency foo |
| 22:39.54 | hans | install foo, do it again and 45 seconds later find out I need bar too |
| 22:40.10 | hans | on large projects with lots of autoconf rules, it can be considerably longer (or a slow computer) |
| 22:40.17 | tensai | jsmith: zlib was another that bit me |
| 22:40.50 | jsmith | tensai: See -- if you'd go read the documentation (s/the documentation/my book/), it'd tell you that |
| 22:40.59 | hans | :) |
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| 22:42.43 | jsmith | Now we just gotta get Uncle_Jesse hooked, and then we'll be set :-) |
| 22:43.52 | tensai | jsmith: but I'm lazy. can't the world revolve around me for once? |
| 22:44.14 | jsmith | tensai: 'yum install asterisk' then :-) |
| 22:44.58 | tensai | I thought I had all the various dev packages installed on that box. guess I've never compiled anything there before. |
| 22:45.04 | tensai | ~lart yum |
| 22:54.13 | sjansen | python users: where do I find this pyindent? |
| 22:54.25 | sjansen | and/or is there a better solution? |
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| 22:59.29 | tensai | sjansen: ruby |
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| 23:48.13 | goozbach | <suprise tone=sarcastic>Sheryl Swoops is gay! That's a suprise</suprise> |
| 23:49.15 | hans | who's that? |
| 23:50.51 | goozbach | female wnba player |
| 23:51.06 | hans | as opposed to a male wnba player... |
| 23:51.45 | goozbach | yeah |
| 23:52.09 | goozbach | aparently you haven't seen any WNBA games |
| 23:52.18 | hans | nope |
| 23:52.28 | hans | don't think I've seen an nba game in 10 years either |
| 23:52.38 | goozbach | of the bigger stars, she's on of the more feminine ones |
| 23:55.01 | JoshH | im sure 70 percent of the wnba players are lesbians |
| 23:55.10 | JoshH | and 70 percent of the fans as well |
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| 23:56.25 | JoshH | i read somewhere that 70 percent of women who drive subarus are lesbians |
| 23:56.58 | JoshH | and thats why subaru targets lesbians with some of their ads, like the one with the butch looking lady out in the outback with some tiger saying "who says boys have all the fun" or something |
