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| 02:55.25 | tensai | down with reply-to munging! down with brain-dead MUAs without a list-reply feature! |
| 02:57.12 | mheath | Does anyone here do any swimming? |
| 02:59.15 | tensai | mheath: when I'm in a lake or swimming pool. do you mean competetively? |
| 02:59.44 | mheath | tensai: I mean enough to answer the question "How hard would it be to work up to a 500 meter swim in 12:30?" |
| 03:01.12 | tensai | I believe the standard olympic size pool is 50 meters long. that's 10 laps. sounds like a lot of work to me. |
| 03:01.31 | mheath | Thats one of my goals, which I plan to reach by June. |
| 03:02.50 | mheath | 500 meter swim in 12:30, 42 pushups in 2 minutes, 50 situps in 2 minutes, 6 dead hang pullups (no swinging legs, etc), 1.5 mile run in 11:30 (wearing heavy clothing and boots) |
| 03:03.54 | tensai | the world record 100 meter freestyle (aka crawl) is 46.74 seconds. 100m in 2 minutes should be possible, so 500m in 10 minutes. |
| 03:04.20 | tensai | mheath: are these requirements for the service or just something you thought up? |
| 03:05.15 | mheath | tensai: Well.... |
| 03:05.52 | mheath | Right now, I'm part of a youth organization (USNSCC), which I'm doing because, if I get up to a certain rank in the USNSCC, I'll start off at a higher rank in the Navy |
| 03:06.37 | mheath | In the USNSCC you are expected to attend various "two week trainings" |
| 03:07.01 | mheath | These are the physical requirements for the USNSCC SEAL orientation training, which I hope to attend next summer |
| 03:07.24 | mheath | They're also the physical requirements for them to even allow you to try for SEAL in the US Navy |
| 03:08.10 | tensai | ah. certainly a noble set of goals. I don't think any of them are *too* tough, but none of them sound like couch potato fodder. |
| 03:08.16 | Tene | argh |
| 03:08.41 | Tene | want to resize this windows partition, but I can't get any defragmenting too to move a block of files to the beginning of the drive. |
| 03:08.45 | Tene | tool, even |
| 03:09.11 | mheath | tensai: I'm not obsessed with being a SEAL |
| 03:09.25 | mheath | and, statistically (and realistically) I almost certainly have no chance at doing so |
| 03:09.31 | mheath | Still, I figured it would be worth trying |
| 03:09.41 | mheath | At the very least, I'll gain some muscle :P |
| 03:09.55 | tensai | after 4 weeks of off and on training I ran a 5k (3.2 miles) in 30 minutes. so I'd say 2 good months of training ought to put you close. |
| 03:10.24 | mheath | tensai: keep in mind, that mile time is wearing BDUs (Heavy Camoflauged clothing) |
| 03:10.25 | mheath | and boots |
| 03:10.38 | mheath | Considerably tougher and different than shorts and running shoes |
| 03:10.49 | levi | mheath: With ruck sack, too? |
| 03:11.08 | tensai | mheath: you should see my shoes. they weren't far off from boots. :) |
| 03:11.19 | tensai | I hate getting new shoes |
| 03:11.22 | mheath | levi: No |
| 03:11.35 | mheath | Pullups will be the hardest part, I think |
| 03:11.54 | mheath | I'm not sure I can even do one, I'll have to really work on that. |
| 03:12.03 | tensai | I would agree |
| 03:12.20 | mheath | Negatives :) |
| 03:12.28 | tensai | still, I think the whole set isn't too far out of range if you put your mind to it (and I expect you will) |
| 03:12.39 | mheath | Google Earth is helpful |
| 03:13.16 | levi | My dad did ruck sack runs for years in the Army. |
| 03:13.31 | levi | Didn't sound like any fun to me. :) |
| 03:14.07 | mheath | levi: I'm not sure seals have much gear with them usually |
| 03:14.25 | levi | Beats me. |
| 03:14.42 | mheath | levi: besides, asking someone to do a mile and a half in 11:50 with a heavy backpack is unrealistic |
| 03:14.50 | levi | Probably. |
| 03:15.13 | levi | I'm not sure what times/distances my dad generally did. |
| 03:15.31 | tensai | mheath: I'm sure the amount of gear depends entirely on the mission |
| 03:15.57 | levi | All I remember is that he always outran the younger guys. |
| 03:16.05 | tensai | I've seen documentaries about special ops training and it sure doesn't look like fun |
| 03:16.20 | levi | Unfortunately, I didn't inherit my dad's physical ability. |
| 03:16.49 | mheath | Excellent |
| 03:17.06 | mheath | According to Google earth, my existing route is already about 1.5 miles |
| 03:17.07 | levi | I can train myself somewhat, but I get deconditioned so fast it's pretty discouraging. |
| 03:17.14 | mheath | And I can do it in about 12 minutes |
| 03:17.29 | levi | Now, just add BDUs and boots. :) |
| 03:17.48 | mheath | meh, which I don't have |
| 03:17.54 | mheath | and which are expensive =\ |
| 03:18.04 | tensai | take a sack of flour with you |
| 03:18.04 | levi | They're not too bad from a surplus store, are they? |
| 03:18.21 | levi | I have a pair of my dad's old BDUs, but no boots. |
| 03:21.22 | tensai | wow. coca cola really *did* used to have cocaine in it. (thus spake the wikipedia) |
| 03:22.10 | tensai | it's still made from the coca plant from whence cocaine is derived, but the drug is removed and sold to pharmaceutical companies. |
| 03:25.08 | levi | That was a long time ago, and such things were pretty commonplace. |
| 03:25.38 | levi | Wasn't a controlled substance back then, IIRC. |
| 03:25.42 | mheath | tensai: because it used to be a cheap miracle drug |
| 03:25.57 | mheath | IE, a "Home sick with a cold? Try new CocaCola" |
| 03:26.00 | mheath | type of thing |
| 03:26.14 | mheath | Kinda like how Root Beer used to be some horrible tea-like substance |
| 03:26.33 | tensai | all correct statements. I always thought the cocaine thing was an urban legend. |
| 03:27.20 | tensai | when put in proper context, though, it sounds a lot more reasonable |
| 03:29.01 | xbmodder_lappy | 1.2 miles in 10 minutes downhil & uphill... |
| 03:30.18 | levi | tensai: The war on drugs has changed popular perception of things quite a bit. |
| 03:30.59 | tensai | but at least we've solved drug abuse! |
| 03:32.39 | levi | Heh. |
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| 03:36.53 | levi | Gah, I've got a stupid assignment to do, and I really don't want to do it. :/ |
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| 04:25.36 | mheath | Anyone know where I could (locally) pickup some mock-ups of Military camo's? (fake copies) |
| 04:28.33 | mheath | That is, clothing similar to military woodland-patern camoflauge in weight and such, but..not official military woodland-paterned camoflage |
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| 04:31.37 | Tene | have a local army/navy surplus store? |
| 04:43.43 | mheath | Tene: It *CAN'T* be official military uniforms |
| 04:46.42 | mheath | (which, by the way, are theoretically illegal for civilians to wear) |
| 05:08.56 | levi | mheath: It must not be a very well-enforced law. |
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| 05:30.29 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, Big 5's |
| 05:30.29 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 05:31.00 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, Isn't that impersonating a law enforcement officer? |
| 06:14.16 | xbmodder_lappy | Did anyone here watch |
| 06:14.21 | xbmodder_lappy | Did anyone here watch DOOM the movie? |
| 06:17.55 | levi | Why would I do something stupid like that? |
| 06:18.16 | levi | The trailer looked spectacularly awful. |
| 06:20.23 | levi | Did you watch it? |
| 06:28.11 | xbmodder_lappy | no |
| 06:28.16 | xbmodder_lappy | Looks like crap |
| 06:30.57 | levi | Indeed. |
| 06:42.17 | hans | reading/evaluating a paper on exokernels. interesting stuff |
| 06:45.05 | levi | I'm doing the 'midterm' for my stupid OS class. I may have to take some time off work to get this done. |
| 06:48.05 | xbmodder_lappy | its not stupid |
| 06:48.19 | xbmodder_lappy | appreciate its an OS class and not Language Arts 101 |
| 06:48.39 | levi | It wouldn't be stupid if it was really an OS class. |
| 06:48.54 | levi | Instead, it's a poor caricature of an OS class. |
| 06:49.15 | levi | And I will be doing far more writing than programming. |
| 06:49.50 | levi | Not that I'm opposed to writing, but this is a particularly stupid paper. |
| 06:52.17 | xbmodder_lappy | thats stupid |
| 06:52.22 | xbmodder_lappy | go write your own OS |
| 06:56.36 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: Like I've got time for that. |
| 06:59.02 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 06:59.12 | xbmodder_lappy | http://www.spoofee.com/index.php?section=birthday < good ideas |
| 06:59.15 | brac | [Spoofee Deals - Find all your Coupons and Best Deals here - ] |
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| 14:42.07 | graphyx | morning. |
| 14:42.15 | hans | yup |
| 14:44.12 | emcnabb | yup yup |
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| 15:38.35 | sjansen | Man, nothing sucks the joy out of a day like knowing you'll have to convert a Ruby project to Python. |
| 15:39.21 | Jayce^ | ~laugh sjansen |
| 15:39.22 | ibot | ibot laughs hysterically at sjansen...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
| 15:39.22 | tensai | sjansen: how about converting to PHP? |
| 15:42.35 | Jayce^ | http://photos.greatproj.com/gallery/paintball/IMG_2414.jpg?width=1024 |
| 15:42.36 | brac | [Viewing /gallery/paintball/IMG_2414.jpg at 682 x 1024] |
| 15:42.39 | Jayce^ | sjansen, you missed out |
| 15:44.33 | sjansen | ~crush tensai |
| 15:44.34 | ibot | ACTION crushes tensai with a full height scsi disk |
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| 15:45.55 | sjansen | http://photos.greatproj.com/gallery/paintball/IMG_2408.jpg?width=1024 |
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| 15:46.15 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 15:46.26 | Jayce^ | "the couple that paints together...." |
| 15:54.14 | sjansen | o/~ And here's to Puffyhood. ~/o |
| 15:56.06 | Uncle_Jesse | lol - love the picture |
| 15:57.00 | sjansen | o/~ Pond-erosa Puff wouldn't take no guff. Water oughta be clean and free. So he fought the fight and he set things right. With his OpenBSD. ~/o |
| 15:59.17 | goozbach | zup? |
| 15:59.23 | Uncle_Jesse | looks like I'm going to be living in Heberville |
| 16:06.47 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you see those pics? |
| 16:06.53 | Jayce^ | from the end of the day saturday |
| 16:06.59 | Jayce^ | had ~ 150 people :) |
| 16:07.03 | Jayce^ | massive frag fest |
| 16:07.24 | Uncle_Jesse | who won? |
| 16:08.07 | goozbach | Jayce^: not till I get back to the hotel |
| 16:08.25 | goozbach | no internet at the training center |
| 16:08.31 | goozbach | :( |
| 16:08.41 | Jayce^ | our team won 2, stalemated the last one |
| 16:08.59 | Jayce^ | poor goozbach |
| 16:09.26 | goozbach | msg me the link s I'll have it. |
| 16:09.39 | graphyx | Jayce^: what groups? Was this the *lugs thing? |
| 16:10.00 | Jayce^ | no, it was a paintball geek thing |
| 16:11.02 | goozbach | Jayce^: the proball only broke once per bag |
| 16:11.56 | Jayce^ | we shot 2 cases, didn't break a ball |
| 16:12.47 | Uncle_Jesse | ouch! |
| 16:12.51 | sjansen | ~paint graphyx |
| 16:12.52 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on graphyx |
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| 16:17.03 | sjansen | ~bzfrag TimRiker |
| 16:17.06 | ibot | ACTION fries TimRiker with a laser |
| 16:17.16 | Jayce^ | so sjansen, you really should have been there |
| 16:18.36 | goozbach | heck there isn't anything |
| 16:19.46 | goozbach | sjansen: why python? |
| 16:20.36 | Jayce^ | goozbach, was amazing to see the percentage of tippmans amongst this stickball group |
| 16:21.09 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you see me mention we had around 150 people? |
| 16:21.16 | goozbach | yeah. |
| 16:21.28 | Uncle_Jesse | Is there a way in Linux to get gaim's status bar to blink when there is new conversation? |
| 16:21.30 | Jayce^ | some serious chokepoints |
| 16:22.18 | Jayce^ | lead a group of us straight up the river one time, took out a good bunker, totally surprised them |
| 16:23.04 | goozbach | and to think I put not going to class naked over that... |
| 16:24.41 | goozbach | and its a good thing I did as my last pair of pants quite literally gave out at the seams friday. |
| 16:32.16 | goozbach | 5well back to class |
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| 16:35.53 | hans | -lart vontrapp |
| 16:36.16 | maquis | -lart hans |
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| 16:40.32 | maquis | hehe |
| 16:41.08 | maquis | i just asked a question that convinced my prof to try something potentially evil on a computer... |
| 16:41.16 | maquis | (he's not trying it yet... but he's going to |
| 16:41.32 | maquis | we're going to see how smart/stupid haskell's length function is |
| 16:42.05 | maquis | (he mentioned that you can do x=[1,2,...] my question was "so, what happens if you run length on that?" |
| 16:42.25 | maquis | if it's smart, it'll recognize that it's an infinite list |
| 16:42.25 | Uncle_Jesse | It's interesting how quickly Windows geeks are willing to discredit Linux |
| 16:42.38 | maquis | if it's not smart, it could be sitting there for quite a while |
| 16:42.56 | Uncle_Jesse | My brother's roommate at BYU said he thought Windows was better than Linux |
| 16:43.09 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: for what reason? |
| 16:43.09 | Uncle_Jesse | yet when I challenged him on it as a server he quickly changed his mind |
| 16:43.17 | hans | it is.. better at running viruses |
| 16:43.38 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: he automatically thinks when someone mentions linux you are referring to it as a desktop |
| 16:43.52 | Uncle_Jesse | yet he thinks it is for geeks on the desktop - I guess that means he's not a geek |
| 16:44.02 | Uncle_Jesse | I don't get what he was saying |
| 16:44.07 | hans | i think linux is a good desktop for most users these days |
| 16:44.09 | maquis | most of my roommates and such will agree that perhaps, linux can do some things better, but they think it's impossible to learn |
| 16:44.22 | hans | if you get someone to install it and get your hardware working |
| 16:44.33 | Uncle_Jesse | hans: yeah - I've been impressed with some of the latest distros out there how much is automatically set up for you |
| 16:44.43 | hans | after that, it's much _easier_ for people, since they don't have to worry about how do I fix it if spyware takes over my world |
| 16:44.51 | hans | or how do I get rid of virus X |
| 16:45.03 | Uncle_Jesse | exactly |
| 16:45.08 | hans | this is of course assuming people with relatively fixed needs like a web browser, email client, and openoffice |
| 16:45.24 | Uncle_Jesse | it's only a pain when you have the latest and greatest all-in-one printer/scanner/camera, etc |
| 16:52.44 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: upgrade to the latest stable Gnome release |
| 16:53.13 | hans | sjansen: I take it that's a pain? :) |
| 16:53.49 | sjansen | For me, it was as easy as switching my apt sources.list to point at Ubuntu 5.10. |
| 16:54.20 | hans | good to hear |
| 16:54.42 | sjansen | The latest version of metacity doesn't allow windows to take focus. When a window requests focus, the window list applet starts slowly blinking the window. |
| 16:55.19 | goozbach | ohh |
| 16:55.34 | sjansen | The one problem is, gaim doesn't do a good job of updating its status. It'll some times keep blinking longer than it should. |
| 16:56.02 | sjansen | IIRC, the solution is to click in gaim's window because alt-tabbing to it isn't good enough for gaim. |
| 16:56.12 | goozbach | that means I'm sexy, no? |
| 16:56.16 | Jayce^ | goozbach, guess he knows you then :) |
| 16:56.46 | goozbach | ?? |
| 16:57.56 | Jayce^ | musta figured you were on the same team :) |
| 17:01.34 | sjansen | hans: what are you implying? |
| 17:01.58 | hans | either that one of them is covered with paint, or that they're on the same team. |
| 17:02.01 | hans | you pick. :) |
| 17:02.15 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: must be because I'm running KDE then |
| 17:02.39 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: Now why would you want to do something silly like that? |
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| 17:03.14 | amcnabb | blist |
| 17:03.23 | amcnabb | oops (wrong window) :) |
| 17:03.39 | Jayce^ | ~paint amcnabb |
| 17:03.40 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on amcnabb |
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| 17:05.47 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: because KDE has the prettiest interface |
| 17:05.51 | Uncle_Jesse | :-) |
| 17:06.05 | hans | de gustibus |
| 17:06.12 | Uncle_Jesse | ~lart gnome |
| 17:06.26 | hans | if we're choosing between those two, I prefer gnome |
| 17:06.41 | hans | although it's ironic that as a developer i prefer qt to gtk |
| 17:06.58 | Uncle_Jesse | gnome's interface is so ugly though! |
| 17:07.12 | Uncle_Jesse | not as much flexibility in key assignments too |
| 17:07.21 | Uncle_Jesse | unless you do it all from command-line |
| 17:07.52 | hans | well I happen to think kde is ugly as all get out |
| 17:07.53 | bonez39 | hans, ever have trouble with gnucash, where it crashes when attempting to view or print a report? or invoice? |
| 17:08.01 | hans | nope |
| 17:09.40 | Uncle_Jesse | it's too square and bland imo |
| 17:09.50 | Uncle_Jesse | the icons aren't as well designed either |
| 17:17.02 | hans | it's too jumbled and disorganized imo |
| 17:17.07 | hans | the icons aren't as well designed either |
| 17:17.21 | Uncle_Jesse | kde's icons? |
| 17:17.24 | hans | yup |
| 17:17.43 | Uncle_Jesse | kde was the first to use svg weren't they? |
| 17:17.51 | hans | could be |
| 17:18.02 | hans | but their icons are ugly. imo of course |
| 17:18.15 | hans | the point is some people like the way kde looks and some like the way gnome looks. people are funny that way |
| 17:18.16 | Uncle_Jesse | they have a whole project set up to promote actual graphic designers to design their interface |
| 17:18.26 | hans | good for them |
| 17:18.31 | hans | too bad it hasn't worked |
| 17:18.44 | hans | or, in their opinion it has, and that's good for them too |
| 17:19.19 | hans | besides, I like the letter G better than the letter K. |
| 17:19.27 | Uncle_Jesse | I think it would be better for Linux's image to the public for kde to be used as default on the major distros. I think while gnome may appeal more to the geeks, kde has a more user-friendly appearance. |
| 17:19.45 | hans | what makes it more user-friendly? |
| 17:20.01 | hans | gnome are the people who claim to be usability nazis |
| 17:20.31 | hans | btw, my dad prefers the look of kde too. so it's not genetic |
| 17:20.31 | Uncle_Jesse | I know it's just preference, but I'm a mac user and I like KDE so there |
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| 17:20.44 | hans | i'm a mac user too |
| 17:20.45 | Uncle_Jesse | :-) |
| 17:20.59 | Uncle_Jesse | shame on you ;-) |
| 17:21.09 | sjansen | Gnome was first to use SVG. |
| 17:21.41 | sjansen | KDE was first to design in SVG, but they were converting to raster because KDE didn't support vector icons. |
| 17:21.45 | hans | but you want to know the thing that really grinds on me in KDE? |
| 17:21.53 | hans | the menus. can't stand their menus |
| 17:22.39 | sjansen | I like the simplicity of Gnome. KDE is too freaking complicated. |
| 17:22.53 | vontrapp | hans! where's your jabber! |
| 17:23.23 | Jayce^ | everytime I find a function I like it gnome, they remove it in the next version |
| 17:24.07 | hans | i can't argue with either of you. :) |
| 17:25.00 | hans | ~shoot tensai |
| 17:25.02 | ibot | ACTION shoots tensai in the foot with a phase pistol! |
| 17:25.07 | hans | that's the other thing I hate. konsole |
| 17:25.11 | hans | but then I hate gnome-terminal too |
| 17:25.19 | hans | ~hug uxterm |
| 17:25.20 | ibot | ACTION hugs uxterm |
| 17:25.36 | Jayce^ | must have terminal tabs |
| 17:26.01 | hans | that's what screen is for. :) |
| 17:26.16 | hans | seriously though I'll have to look at iterm. haven't heard of it |
| 17:26.18 | tensai | hans: I've also started using arts |
| 17:26.27 | hans | heaven help you |
| 17:26.30 | Jayce^ | hans, big improvement over Terminal.app |
| 17:26.57 | Jayce^ | it's in darwinports, or you can grab a binary |
| 17:27.15 | hans | how is its terminal emulation? not the nightmare of terminal.app I hope |
| 17:27.35 | Jayce^ | multiple support, some good options |
| 17:27.44 | tensai | I found I like Juk over Rhythmbox |
| 17:27.45 | hans | transparency, good. |
| 17:27.56 | Jayce^ | http://iterm.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:27.57 | brac | [iTerm] |
| 17:27.58 | hans | tensai: is juk the kde one? |
| 17:28.05 | tensai | hans: yeah |
| 17:28.12 | hans | i haven't found a media player i like except alsaplayer, which I also don't like. |
| 17:28.33 | sjansen | I've never heard an audio-head say anything nice about arts. Not even in comparison to esd. |
| 17:28.36 | tensai | hans: what are you looking for? |
| 17:28.37 | hans | (i don't like it's playlist interface) |
| 17:28.47 | hans | tensai: SIMPLICITY, and IMMS support |
| 17:28.57 | tensai | and arts? |
| 17:29.11 | hans | :) No, JACK would be nice but not necessary |
| 17:29.38 | hans | sjansen: actually I have heard favorable comments in comparing it to esd |
| 17:29.51 | vontrapp | dmix baby |
| 17:30.07 | tensai | I prefer arts to esd. I tried dmix and it turned into nightmare that didn't really work all the time. |
| 17:30.09 | hans | arts was actually written by audio types, back when that was the only solution |
| 17:30.28 | hans | but it's widely recognize as completely and utterly deprecated now, as an audio freak tool |
| 17:30.33 | vontrapp | ~lart programs that still don't use alsa |
| 17:30.35 | hans | of course nobody has convinced kde of that yet. |
| 17:30.41 | tensai | arts solves my problem. I can have juk playing mp3s and xchat or psi can interrupt with a *bing*. |
| 17:30.44 | vontrapp | thankfully there's aoss |
| 17:30.56 | tensai | ~lart aoss |
| 17:30.59 | hans | tensai: recent versions of alsa do that out of the box. |
| 17:31.04 | hans | without a stupid sound server. |
| 17:31.19 | tensai | hans: explain |
| 17:31.45 | vontrapp | tensai, you install alsa, have x programs using alsa, they all work |
| 17:31.50 | tensai | Jayce^: actually is more of a *ploip*. stole it from xboing. |
| 17:31.51 | vontrapp | majic |
| 17:32.05 | hans | version 1.0.9 I think |
| 17:32.18 | hans | it's dmix underneath, but you don't need to know that |
| 17:32.23 | vontrapp | speaking of aoss, hans i tried to get rap to system('aoss play'...) but that didn't work |
| 17:32.36 | hans | never played with aoss |
| 17:32.55 | vontrapp | only when using an archaic oss app like play |
| 17:33.19 | hans | there's aplay but it supports feewer types |
| 17:33.54 | tensai | vontrapp: and what of this crazy alsa configuration file? is that not required now? |
| 17:34.13 | hans | tensai: reports are that it works out of the box |
| 17:34.19 | hans | vontrapp has had success with that |
| 17:34.29 | hans | my soundcard doesn't require it (can play bunches of channels at once anyway) |
| 17:34.34 | hans | so I can't speak to it personally |
| 17:34.36 | tensai | how do I know what version of alsa I have? |
| 17:34.48 | hans | dpkg --status libasound* |
| 17:34.49 | hans | perhaps |
| 17:34.52 | vontrapp | if you run ubuntu you probably don't have the needed one |
| 17:35.06 | vontrapp | main reason for my 'evil' ubuntu/debian source mixing |
| 17:35.21 | tensai | I'm not silly enough to run ubuntu |
| 17:35.28 | vontrapp | alsa-base is the package you want to query |
| 17:35.50 | tensai | alsa-base is 1.0.7, libasound2 is 1.0.9 |
| 17:36.08 | tensai | does it not require a newer kernel module? I'm using whatever came with 2.6.7 in debian |
| 17:36.12 | sjansen | ~hail Ubuntu |
| 17:36.13 | ibot | ACTION bows down to Ubuntu and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 17:36.16 | sjansen | ~curse Debian |
| 17:36.17 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Debian ! |
| 17:36.29 | tensai | ~torture sjansen |
| 17:36.46 | hans | no, it's not the kernel module |
| 17:36.54 | hans | it's userspace stuff |
| 17:37.02 | hans | basically sets up dmix (which you can already do) for you |
| 17:37.14 | tensai | ibot: torture $sjansen is <actions> assigns sjansen to convert all Ruby code to Python *and* PHP. muwahahahaha! |
| 17:37.15 | ibot | tensai: okay |
| 17:37.17 | tensai | ~torture sjansen |
| 17:37.18 | ibot | <actions> assigns sjansen to convert all Ruby code to Python *and* PHP. muwahahahaha! |
| 17:37.18 | hans | vontrapp: are you registered? |
| 17:37.25 | tensai | ibot: no, torture $sjansen is <action> assigns sjansen to convert all Ruby code to Python *and* PHP. muwahahahaha! |
| 17:37.27 | ibot | tensai: okay |
| 17:37.28 | tensai | ~torture sjansen |
| 17:37.30 | ibot | ACTION assigns sjansen to convert all Ruby code to Python *and* PHP. muwahahahaha! |
| 17:37.35 | vontrapp | hans, dont' tell me you haven't gotten anything? |
| 17:38.02 | hans | nothing |
| 17:38.09 | hans | join #fugal |
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| 17:42.03 | sjansen | ~torture tensai |
| 17:42.04 | ibot | ACTION forces tensai support Debian GNU/Hurd in production. |
| 17:49.20 | tensai | ~spork sjansen |
| 17:49.22 | ibot | ACTION tries to stab sjansen with a spork and fails, then attempts to gouge out sjansen's eyeballs. Success! The spork IS useful! |
| 17:51.09 | maquis | ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~hjfhdsakjfh |
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| 17:53.02 | maquis | stupid network connection |
| 17:59.33 | maquis | hans: vim quesiton |
| 17:59.45 | maquis | want to do a replace on 10 lines... |
| 18:00.48 | tensai | maquis: shift-v, highlight the lines you want to change, :s/foo/bar/ |
| 18:01.26 | hans | :s/foo/bar/g |
| 18:01.42 | maquis | tensai: thanks... |
| 18:01.57 | tensai | I always forget the /g |
| 18:03.11 | maquis | to send an email to the list, send an email to officers@localhost.localdomain |
| 18:04.44 | hans | ~spam officers@localhost.localdomain |
| 18:04.45 | ibot | you should get a hotmail account to spam officers@localhost.localdomain |
| 18:06.23 | graphyx | tensai maquis The /g makes it do the replace more than once per line. |
| 18:06.57 | maquis | postfix or exim? |
| 18:07.20 | tensai | exim rulez, postfix droolz |
| 18:07.51 | hans | postfix |
| 18:09.07 | maquis | tehawhic of you wants to help set up? |
| 18:09.21 | tensai | from what I know of postfix it's actually a good one |
| 18:09.33 | tensai | maquis: yo sy wht? |
| 18:09.50 | maquis | tensai: sorr... network conection really sucks |
| 18:10.20 | maquis | i was wondering which of you was excited aout helping setting up mailiman... |
| 18:10.23 | maquis | :) |
| 18:11.20 | tensai | maquis: can't right now, but I could probably be talked into it later |
| 18:11.31 | maquis | :) |
| 18:11.33 | maquis | mmk |
| 18:11.39 | maquis | we're trying to set it up right now |
| 18:11.41 | maquis | but thanks |
| 18:11.53 | tensai | maquis: or poke around on joanna. she has mailman and exim installed. |
| 18:12.12 | maquis | cool |
| 18:13.40 | tensai | maquis: the main thing to know about mailman is that you set up aliases in your mta to deliver messages to the mailman wrapper |
| 18:13.51 | tensai | it then creates new messages and feeds them back to your mta |
| 18:23.20 | maquis | tensai: i'll keep that in mind... we're taking a break for a bit |
| 18:29.50 | hans | if anyone's in the area on halloween, we're having spudnuts |
| 18:30.07 | maquis | ??? |
| 18:30.22 | hans | you _have_ heard of spudnuts haven't you? |
| 18:30.30 | maquis | no |
| 18:30.36 | hans | ai ai aia |
| 18:30.51 | tensai | hans: this is maquis. she hasn't heard of *anything* |
| 18:31.29 | hans | s/do/spud/ |
| 18:31.42 | findlay | nice info message: Unpacking OO.o build tree - [ go make some tea ] ... |
| 18:32.15 | tensai | donuts made with potato flour. quite popular in Idaho (surprise, surprise) |
| 18:32.19 | hans | spudnuts are donuts with spuds |
| 18:32.22 | maquis | oh |
| 18:32.41 | maquis | they don't have those in washington |
| 18:37.47 | hans | you'd been at BYU long enough, I figured.. |
| 18:37.57 | maquis | 'parently not |
| 18:38.02 | hans | or is the spud population at byu decreasing? |
| 18:38.24 | maquis | hans: spuds are pretty common at the cannon-center, but not very common elsewhere |
| 18:38.38 | hans | i meant ihadoans |
| 18:38.50 | maquis | bah... i didn't get to retake my normal seat because someone took it |
| 18:38.59 | maquis | hans: dunno |
| 18:39.06 | maquis | my roommate's an idahoan |
| 18:39.26 | hans | she's a spudette then. |
| 18:39.35 | graphyx | I think the percentage of the population of the united states that live in Idaho is decreasing. |
| 18:40.06 | hans | if a dust grain gets smaller, does anyone notice? |
| 18:40.22 | findlay | whereas the population of Idaho that lives in the United States is about constant? |
| 18:40.40 | graphyx | findlay: entirely possible. |
| 18:40.45 | graphyx | But I bet it is increasing. |
| 18:40.54 | graphyx | exponentially. |
| 18:41.09 | tensai | hans: if the dust grain makes a noise, Horton will still hear it |
| 18:41.17 | graphyx | But the tricky thing about exponential growth is that -2 is an exponent. |
| 18:45.09 | amcnabb | Exponential growth means you have a c^x somewhere. |
| 18:45.40 | amcnabb | If it's exponential shrinking, you would have c<1 |
| 18:47.47 | graphyx | SO when I do the perl -lane 'print $F[1]' call on command line what does all th e-lane mean? |
| 18:48.01 | findlay | (0,1) |
| 18:48.52 | tensai | -e execute a code fragment, -a autosplit, -nl I forget. man perlrun. |
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| 18:55.27 | vontrapp | oh no! is irc being demolished?! |
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| 19:13.37 | hans | -lart sjansen |
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| 19:23.33 | maquis | so, some girl just walked by and made the comment "it sucks... i'm probably going to have to be on campus til like 5 today" |
| 19:23.50 | hans | pobrecita |
| 19:24.46 | graphyx | maquis: Did she follow that up with, "it, like, totally sucks..' ? |
| 19:24.54 | maquis | no... thankfully |
| 19:25.32 | graphyx | Probably is mourning the Home Ec lab work. |
| 19:25.39 | graphyx | 'we even have to eat the cookies we made...; |
| 19:26.09 | tensai | "go ahead and just lock me in. I'll be fine." |
| 19:26.16 | maquis | tensai: 11? now they let us stay until 12... |
| 19:26.43 | maquis | there's been a push for the clyde-building rules.... |
| 19:28.36 | graphyx | maquis: What are those rules? |
| 19:29.33 | maquis | graphyx: if you're in the building by 11, you can stay as long as you want, but you need to be in one of the key-code labs... |
| 19:29.47 | graphyx | that does make sense to me. |
| 19:29.54 | maquis | (ie, you're not supposed to be in the lobby) |
| 19:30.10 | maquis | makes great sense... |
| 19:30.28 | maquis | i know one person who's doing the cs program without a home computer.... |
| 19:30.44 | maquis | makes things really difficult if you can't work on projects between midnight and 7am |
| 19:40.39 | maquis | question |
| 19:40.50 | maquis | is there a way to read a line at a time ffrom a file in C?? |
| 19:40.56 | findlay | answer |
| 19:40.59 | findlay | yes |
| 19:41.14 | maquis | findlay: how? the readline seems to only work from the prompt |
| 19:42.08 | maquis | hmmm |
| 19:42.10 | maquis | getline? |
| 19:42.21 | maquis | seems to be that |
| 19:42.31 | findlay | that's it |
| 19:43.50 | maquis | cool |
| 19:43.50 | maquis | thanks |
| 19:44.55 | maquis | hey... that's nice... it reallocs the char* if you didn't make it big enough |
| 19:45.47 | findlay | really? that's useful |
| 19:46.56 | findlay | maquis: you know that the library functions all have man(3) pages? |
| 19:53.22 | brac | [BYU Unix Users Group - Announcements] |
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| 19:56.14 | tensai | unix is so sexists. man pages. *hmmpff* |
| 20:00.21 | vontrapp | find /av/music | rap |
| 20:04.07 | hans | if I don't like it, I'm blaming Jayce^ for the world's problems. |
| 20:04.52 | sjansen | http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/zoom/seg-fault.jpg |
| 20:06.31 | findlay | sjansen: you electioneer |
| 20:08.01 | JoshH | man uug actually is the best one in that list, imo |
| 20:08.04 | tensai | findlay: don't tell me you honestly expected sjansen not to stoop so low? |
| 20:08.20 | goozbach | I'd blame maquis |
| 20:08.37 | tensai | why not a t-shirt with a "kick me" sign printed on the back? |
| 20:09.20 | vontrapp | i like root_dot |
| 20:10.06 | tensai | hans: did you go to the rocket launch the other week? |
| 20:10.15 | hans | no |
| 20:10.23 | tensai | ~launch hans |
| 20:11.36 | tensai | ~launch hans |
| 20:11.38 | ibot | ACTION straps tensai to an ACME rocket, lights the fuse and ducks behind a rock |
| 20:11.44 | tensai | grr |
| 20:12.09 | tensai | ~launch hans |
| 20:12.10 | ibot | ACTION straps hans to an ACME rocket, lights the fuse and ducks behind a rock |
| 20:15.18 | maquis | findlay: yes... i knew that they have man pages... it's just that you have to be able to know what you want to man |
| 20:15.28 | maquis | that's where i get the info once i know the function name... |
| 20:22.02 | sjansen | ~torture tensai |
| 20:22.05 | ibot | ACTION forces tensai to support Debian GNU/Hurd in production. |
| 20:22.48 | maquis | -lart sjansen |
| 20:23.18 | tensai | ~rlart |
| 20:23.28 | maquis | hey |
| 20:23.31 | tensai | -rlart |
| 20:23.36 | maquis | ~rlart |
| 20:24.25 | maquis | ~mock tensai |
| 20:24.27 | ibot | ACTION pulls tensai's pants down and shows the world tensai's pink spotted underwear |
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| 20:25.44 | Goshen | Anyone want to help me with the Mandriva 2006 worldwide installfest? |
| 20:26.22 | tensai | ~pick on maquis |
| 20:26.24 | ibot | ACTION teases maquis until maquis starts to cry |
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| 20:30.28 | goozbach | one time I bought a case of them |
| 20:31.01 | Jayce^ | just add bawls and you have the perfect breakfast cereal for goozbach |
| 20:31.02 | goozbach | there were 5-12x10" bars |
| 20:31.29 | goozbach | Goshen: when? |
| 20:31.37 | goozbach | and does it havv |
| 20:31.45 | goozbach | e to be mandriva |
| 20:31.49 | goozbach | ? |
| 20:31.51 | goozbach | :@ |
| 20:32.05 | Goshen | November 19th |
| 20:32.08 | Goshen | http://club.mandriva.com/xwiki/bin/Main/installparty2006 |
| 20:32.09 | brac | [ |
| 20:32.09 | brac | Mandriva Club - Main - installparty2006 |
| 20:32.10 | brac | ] |
| 20:32.17 | Goshen | They are going to supply goodies for the event :) |
| 20:32.40 | goozbach | I'l be just getting back from spain so I'l pass |
| 20:32.54 | Goshen | maquis: ME, I want mandriva to buy up more distros ;) |
| 20:33.28 | goozbach | actually it's a mandrAKE club card |
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| 20:33.31 | Goshen | Lycoris and Convectiva down... |
| 20:33.44 | maquis | long live gentoo |
| 20:34.04 | goozbach | I've got one of the main Conectiva developers in my class this week |
| 20:34.24 | Goshen | nice :) |
| 20:34.32 | Goshen | here in Utah? |
| 20:36.05 | goozbach | no, MD |
| 20:39.22 | brandon_ | For those sh experts, on solaris the line, "newvar={oldvar#string}" does not give the result "second" where oldvar = firstsecond. On Linux this does work, and it appears the # is causing problems, any ideas? |
| 20:40.28 | brandon_ | s/newvar={oldvar#string}/newvar=${oldvar#first} |
| 20:41.35 | sjansen | goozbach: Ele fala portugues? |
| 20:42.01 | goozbach | sjansen, no es columbiano |
| 20:42.20 | brandon_ | The odd thing is this works if you run it from the prompt, but not if you run it from a script. On linux both ways work |
| 20:42.25 | sjansen | brandon_: I believe that is a bash/ksh-ism. Are you specifically using /bin/sh? 'Caus that's different. |
| 20:43.03 | sjansen | On Linux /bin/sh is usually just bash. On Solaris /bin/sh is going to be the real Bourne shell. |
| 20:46.44 | brandon_ | trying to use sh only |
| 20:50.47 | goozbach | if bankers can count how come they have eight windows and only four tellers? |
| 20:51.53 | Bradipo | brandon_: Bourne Shell should work just fine using ${name#pattern} |
| 20:52.56 | brandon_ | doesn't, the # is seen as invalid on solaris's sh script program |
| 20:54.12 | graphyx | What is the shell variable for the answer of the last command? |
| 20:54.17 | graphyx | Is it $! or $_? |
| 20:54.32 | hans | $? |
| 20:54.37 | hans | $! is the pid |
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| 20:56.11 | graphyx | IS there anyway to get the stdout of the last command on the shell line? |
| 20:56.18 | graphyx | outside of an prior assignment? |
| 20:56.37 | Bradipo | Then maybe it is a different Bourne Shell... |
| 20:57.16 | Bradipo | $? |
| 20:58.23 | Bradipo | stdout of the last command is printed to stdout. |
| 20:58.46 | Bradipo | So you could ``get it'' by reading stdin in a pipeline: command | readstdout |
| 21:00.36 | hans | backticks |
| 21:03.39 | Bradipo | Well, he did say without an assignment... |
| 21:03.54 | Bradipo | Not sure what the ``prior'' qualifier meant, but... |
| 21:04.46 | tensai | I think he wants to grab the stdout but didn't realize it until it was too late |
| 21:05.27 | Bradipo | graphyx: What are you trying to do buddy? |
| 21:08.07 | Bradipo | tensai: That sounds reasonable. Might be kind of a cool hack for a shell to keep the last command's stdout in some kind of a special buffer. |
| 21:08.45 | tensai | probably have to limit it to like 4k or something |
| 21:09.31 | Bradipo | Right. Wouldn't want the shell to bloat. |
| 21:10.33 | Bradipo | But hey, isn't that what scrollbars and scroll history are for in most terminals? |
| 21:10.38 | graphyx | Bradipo: tensai: Yeah, Just trying to get a portion of the output for the next command so I didn't have to re-type it all. |
| 21:10.56 | tensai | or screen |
| 21:11.01 | synic | anyone know of a good j2me jabber client? |
| 21:11.03 | Bradipo | Or screen... |
| 21:11.14 | hans | Jayce^: any way to turn off the stupid bouncing icon when something changes in my terminal? |
| 21:11.16 | Bradipo | Every xterm I run has a screen session running in it. |
| 21:11.16 | tensai | although that would require forethought as well |
| 21:11.16 | graphyx | On the phone system I have to edit the file by mac address. And there are a bunch of similar mac addresses so I have to keep seeing what number it got stuck on the tab complete. |
| 21:11.42 | graphyx | I was hoping to have a command to put out a specific token of the prior stdout line such that I didn't have to cut and paste it. |
| 21:11.43 | hans | that's what mice are for |
| 21:12.17 | tensai | Bradipo: automatically? how did you set that up? |
| 21:12.25 | Bradipo | No, not automatically... |
| 21:12.32 | Bradipo | Although, I could automate that. |
| 21:13.01 | hans | tensai: you could probably do something with bashrc or profiile to do that |
| 21:13.08 | hans | in fact I think someone here did it once |
| 21:13.18 | Bradipo | Never felt the need. Usually the only time I have to start a new screen is when I reboot. |
| 21:13.25 | hans | I couldn't live with it though, because as much as I like screen the scrollback thing is a killer for me |
| 21:13.34 | hans | it's a tradeoff to use screen or to have shift-pgup |
| 21:13.45 | tensai | hans: ctrl-a ] |
| 21:13.45 | Bradipo | You like shift-pgup more? |
| 21:13.47 | hans | ~lart "copy mode" |
| 21:13.55 | hans | i like not going into that stupid mode more |
| 21:14.03 | hans | i could care less which keys it was I pressed |
| 21:14.19 | hans | although c-a ] is one too many |
| 21:14.23 | Bradipo | Yeah, it can be a pain sometimes. |
| 21:14.35 | Bradipo | I usually use ctrl-a esc. |
| 21:14.47 | Bradipo | But, it sure does come in handy on a console... |
| 21:14.51 | Bradipo | When you don't have a working mouse. |
| 21:14.58 | hans | yup |
| 21:15.02 | Bradipo | And need to get some output from another screen. |
| 21:15.30 | Bradipo | Which, I have only had to do once, but it was well worth it... |
| 21:16.50 | tensai | oops, it's ctrl-a [. |
| 21:17.14 | hans | c-] is escape in vim, right? |
| 21:17.44 | tensai | seems to be |
| 21:17.47 | hans | i wouldn't even mind so much if it did go into that stupid mode, so long as it was the same keystrokes in a regular xterm and in screen |
| 21:18.01 | hans | that would save a lot of confusing myself. |
| 21:18.24 | tensai | it's got vi key bindings. I'm not following you. |
| 21:18.30 | hans | or maybe screen could replace the last few lines of scrollbuffer with "this is stuff you really didn't want to scroll back to see" |
| 21:18.40 | hans | open a screen in an xterm where you've been doing stuff |
| 21:18.43 | hans | then shift-pgup |
| 21:18.57 | tensai | I understand that. drives me nuts |
| 21:19.13 | tensai | it's the "so long as it was the same keystrokes in a regular xterm and in screen" bit |
| 21:19.42 | hans | right xterm is shift-pgup |
| 21:19.56 | hans | if screen also responded to that, then there'd be no room for confusing mysefl |
| 21:20.05 | hans | if xterm used c-a] then same deal |
| 21:20.09 | tensai | I see |
| 21:20.27 | tensai | if shift-pgup automatically went into copy mode and scrolled back |
| 21:20.37 | Bradipo | I just use screen so much that most of the time I use ctrl-a esc instead of shift-pgup. |
| 21:20.54 | hans | exactly |
| 21:21.28 | hans | you know what annoys me, when I hit ctrl-a in vim when I'm not in screen, and it sneakily increments the nearest number |
| 21:22.00 | tensai | once I figured out how to use copy mode, it hasn't bothered me |
| 21:22.35 | tensai | minicom's default escape key is also ctrl-a. that's confusing. I changed minicom to ctrl-w. |
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| 21:46.58 | sjansen | $ which pinky |
| 21:48.29 | jsmith-mtg | What's pinky? |
| 21:48.57 | tensai | $ apropos pinky |
| 21:48.58 | tensai | pinky (1) - lightweight finger |
| 21:49.34 | jsmith-mtg | Cute... |
| 21:52.37 | sjansen | ~fish jsmith-mtg |
| 21:52.39 | ibot | ACTION slaps jsmith-mtg around with a large trout |
| 21:55.14 | jsmith-mtg | Ouch! |
| 22:00.29 | lars-ut | jsmith-mtg: pay attention to your meeting |
| 22:01.27 | lars-ut | jsmith-mtg: Perhaps you need a few more of these in your bloodstreeam... |
| 22:01.28 | lars-ut | ~assimilate jsmith-mtg |
| 22:01.36 | ibot | ACTION jams assimilation tubes into jsmith-mtg's neck and injects Borg nanobots. |
| 22:01.45 | jsmith-mtg | Why? You're making assumptions about the importance of this meeting. |
| 22:02.17 | lars-ut | well, I guess you have the option of programming the nanobots to help you _not_ pay attention. |
| 22:02.36 | lars-ut | lol |
| 22:06.31 | sjansen | mheath: someday, when you've participated in enough meetings, you'll understand |
| 22:06.59 | jsmith-mtg | Because some are made of steel, and some are made of alluminum :-) |
| 22:07.17 | mheath | jsmith-mtg: is your buildings floor weak? Does it have a certain load capacity? |
| 22:07.26 | mheath | =P |
| 22:07.41 | sjansen | most likely, somebody made a barely related comment, someone else took it too seriously added their own opinion, so at least half the room decided to dog pile, completely forgetting the reason the meeting was scheduled in the first place |
| 22:07.55 | jsmith-mtg | Yup... :-) |
| 22:07.56 | sjansen | (although that's just my guess) |
| 22:09.01 | hans | sjansen: whatever are you going that direction for? |
| 22:09.37 | Jayce^ | hans, he's a masochist |
| 22:11.33 | sjansen | I'm the only one that knows Ruby. Python is better supported on Ubuntu and Fedora. PyGTK is basically the best bound scripting language. Frustrations with Ruby. (The possibility of integrating with bzr.) |
| 22:12.22 | sjansen | re frustrations with Ruby: minor versions should not have api breaking changes, and REXML is slow and bloated |
| 22:16.05 | hans | well if a little api fiasco is enough to scare you away from a beautiful language, don't complain on the way out, eh? |
| 22:16.44 | hans | i seem to remember some xml c library binding for ruby or something, which would surely be comparatively fast to others like pythons |
| 22:16.52 | hans | although rexml is definitely the most popular |
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| 23:07.58 | goozbach | anyone have a rather large wordlist? |
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| 23:26.01 | maquis | goozbach: still looking for a long list of words? |
| 23:27.17 | goozbach | yup |
| 23:27.54 | Goshen | wordlist? how about hitting the Ooo spelling list? |
| 23:27.57 | maquis | http://www.accessdata.com/dictionaries.htm |
| 23:27.58 | brac | [Downloads and Demos] |
| 23:28.20 | maquis | that's a bunch of word-lists that we had recommended to us for our dictionary attacks |
| 23:28.37 | goozbach | ohh that'll workmethinks |
| 23:28.44 | Goshen | maquis: you do security work? |
| 23:30.59 | maquis | Goshen: not yet... just a student |
| 23:31.02 | maquis | interested in it, though |
| 23:31.11 | maquis | we're making password crackers for my security class |
| 23:31.28 | Goshen | ahh |
| 23:32.16 | Goshen | problem is, you need the username first |
| 23:32.36 | Goshen | seems like a username and password combo is a lot of possibilities :P |
| 23:33.01 | maquis | Goshen: we're playing with something that's set up just as a list of encrypted passwords |
| 23:33.04 | Goshen | I see hacking attempts against my server where they are trying to log in using system users |
| 23:33.23 | maquis | it's like what you would get if you managed to steal /etc/passwd.... |
| 23:33.29 | Goshen | gotcha |
| 23:33.29 | maquis | er |
| 23:33.31 | maquis | /etc/shadow |
| 23:33.41 | Goshen | last time I got hacked, they didn't bother with shadow... |
| 23:33.48 | Goshen | they replaced my sshd with their own |
| 23:33.55 | Goshen | which logged the password to a file |
| 23:34.12 | Goshen | I use keys now that I know better |
| 23:34.15 | maquis | how'd they manage to do that? |
| 23:34.30 | Goshen | they got in through a vulnerability in awstats |
| 23:34.43 | Goshen | let me get you a site that explains it |
| 23:34.48 | Goshen | someone else had the exact same attack |
| 23:36.11 | maquis | that's really interesting |
| 23:36.26 | Goshen | http://www.angelar.com/~jeremy/hacked.html |
| 23:36.28 | brac | [Hacked via AWstats!] |
| 23:36.28 | Goshen | good reading |
| 23:36.33 | maquis | cool |
| 23:36.33 | Goshen | so...bottom line is.. |
| 23:36.41 | Goshen | use keys for connecting, never passwords |
| 23:37.00 | Goshen | if the server key changes, pull the plug on the server |
| 23:38.19 | Goshen | it was some script kiddie using my server for a botnet |
| 23:38.19 | maquis | interesting |
| 23:38.19 | maquis | thanks for the info! |
| 23:38.19 | Goshen | welcome |
| 23:38.19 | maquis | Goshen: you do security work? or what? |
| 23:38.19 | Goshen | hardly |
| 23:38.20 | Goshen | just a geeky doctor |
| 23:38.20 | maquis | Goshen: cool |
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