| 00:05.22 | maquis | hmmm |
| 00:05.41 | maquis | there doesn't appear to be a way to read from a file to a BIGNUM* |
| 00:06.01 | elg | how do you mean? |
| 00:06.05 | maquis | well... |
| 00:06.08 | elg | what's wrong with read()? |
| 00:06.24 | maquis | there's BN_print_fp to print a BIGNUM directly to a file |
| 00:06.32 | maquis | but there isn't a BN_read_fp |
| 00:06.41 | maquis | elg: i don't know... does that read into a BIGNUM? |
| 00:06.50 | elg | if you tell it to |
| 00:07.06 | maquis | elg: but it wouldn't be the right format, right? |
| 00:07.18 | elg | that depends on if you wrote it in the right format |
| 00:07.38 | elg | but you're right, it would assume a lot of things you may not be told about through the exposed api and is probably a bad idea |
| 00:07.45 | elg | unless that's how they want you to do it |
| 00:08.08 | maquis | elg: i think i just have to read it into a char* and then convert the char* to a BIGNUM |
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| 00:08.35 | maquis | unless byronc knows something about it |
| 00:08.36 | elg | maquis: or read it straight into the BIGNUM* |
| 00:08.49 | elg | it's the same isn't it? or is there a function to convert a char* to a BIGNUM? |
| 00:09.02 | maquis | elg: there's a function to convert a char* into a BIGNUM |
| 00:09.30 | maquis | elg: when it's stored in the file, it doesn't write it in binary mode... it writes it as the ASCII that represents the BIGNUM |
| 00:09.34 | elg | well there you go. or just mmap the file |
| 00:09.37 | maquis | which makes me think that read would hvae some problems |
| 00:09.42 | elg | heh, yeah |
| 00:10.10 | maquis | byronc: do you know of a function that reads from a file straight into a BIGNUM? |
| 00:10.21 | maquis | i'm not seeing one in the manpages |
| 00:10.51 | maquis | but i don't feel like dealing with the size of the char* |
| 00:11.14 | elg | so mmap the file |
| 00:11.24 | maquis | elg: what's mmap? |
| 00:11.36 | elg | mmap(20 |
| 00:11.39 | elg | er, (2) |
| 00:11.48 | maquis | i'm looking |
| 00:12.07 | elg | basically maps the file into memory |
| 00:12.22 | maquis | elg: 2 questions |
| 00:12.23 | byronc | maquis: no idea, sorry |
| 00:12.31 | elg | 2 answers |
| 00:12.52 | byronc | maquis: you're talking openssl bignum, right? |
| 00:13.07 | maquis | 1: does it transfer it from ascii to hex (ie, instead of 0x41, it puts 0xA) |
| 00:13.09 | maquis | ? |
| 00:13.13 | maquis | byronc: yes |
| 00:13.38 | maquis | or... wait |
| 00:13.48 | maquis | elg: maybe i was completely misunderstanding... |
| 00:13.54 | elg | does what? |
| 00:14.00 | maquis | can i map the file and have it become a char*? |
| 00:14.05 | elg | a file is just a bag of bits |
| 00:14.06 | maquis | is that what you're talking about? |
| 00:14.10 | maquis | elg: yes... |
| 00:14.23 | elg | exactly |
| 00:14.36 | maquis | but the bignum is being stored as a string "23472fead" as opposed to the actual hex... which had me confused |
| 00:14.39 | maquis | elg: cool |
| 00:14.46 | maquis | does it stick a \0 at the end of the file? |
| 00:14.54 | elg | right, it's the ascii representation of the hex |
| 00:14.59 | maquis | or do i have to figure out where the \0 goes? |
| 00:15.04 | elg | which you said could be converted back |
| 00:15.13 | maquis | elg: yes... so, i need it in a char* to convert it back |
| 00:15.18 | maquis | so, you're saying to use mmap |
| 00:15.19 | elg | well if it's writing a string to the file it probably wrote a \0 |
| 00:15.27 | elg | right |
| 00:15.35 | elg | which gives you a char*, no worrying about malloc |
| 00:15.55 | maquis | elg: hexedit disagrees with you about there being a \0 at the end of the file |
| 00:16.10 | elg | *shrug* |
| 00:16.23 | elg | then you're gonna have to write one there, or notice how big the file is |
| 00:16.35 | elg | and lart the openssl devs |
| 00:16.55 | maquis | hmmm |
| 00:18.08 | elg | actually looking here you have to give a length to mmap anyway |
| 00:18.16 | maquis | elg: ah... |
| 00:18.27 | maquis | which i don't know... |
| 00:18.28 | maquis | :) |
| 00:18.34 | elg | if you have control over the writing, null terminate. |
| 00:18.38 | elg | maquis: but you can get it with stat |
| 00:18.45 | maquis | one of them is 5 bytes... another is a good bit longer |
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| 01:06.11 | SpecialK | The file can be 127 bytes as n is 512+512 bits or 128 bytes (nbits*2^-3) |
| 01:10.19 | SpecialK | So openSSL site claims there is a BN_is_negative(BIGNUM * num) but -lcrypto can't find that function. |
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| 03:11.56 | maquis | gah |
| 03:11.58 | maquis | it won't work |
| 03:12.08 | maquis | it *needs* to work by midnight |
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| 03:16.45 | Tene | what is it? |
| 03:16.53 | maquis | Tene: rsa |
| 03:18.05 | maquis | well... |
| 03:18.09 | maquis | that might be the problem |
| 03:19.01 | maquis | i'm printing out the first 4 characters in hex as i read in and print out each time |
| 03:19.30 | maquis | the things being printed out during encrypt are not the same as what's being read in during decrypt |
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| 03:19.55 | Tene | That's a problem. |
| 03:24.40 | xbmodder_lappy | yes it is. |
| 03:25.31 | goozbach | columnuar text is neato |
| 03:32.38 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 03:35.08 | goozbach | it makes writing a story kinda hard though |
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| 03:59.35 | xbmodder_lappy | ~help poll |
| 03:59.39 | xbmodder_lappy | ~help |
| 03:59.44 | xbmodder_lappy | ~poll |
| 03:59.46 | ibot | Script for automating Fidonet polls. URL: http://www.drmach.demon.co.uk/vashti/software/index.html |
| 04:00.18 | xbmodder_lappy | who here has ADD/ADHD? |
| 04:03.51 | TheDiff | who here uses debian or one of its derivatives |
| 04:04.12 | xbmodder_lappy | TheDiff, me... |
| 04:04.24 | TheDiff | i have a question about packages |
| 04:04.31 | xbmodder_lappy | I use apt-get |
| 04:04.31 | TheDiff | and making them not be updated |
| 04:04.34 | TheDiff | hmm |
| 04:04.37 | xbmodder_lappy | hmm. |
| 04:04.38 | TheDiff | well i'm using ubuntu |
| 04:04.41 | xbmodder_lappy | did you read man pages? |
| 04:04.48 | TheDiff | well yeah |
| 04:05.00 | TheDiff | i used aptitude to set the packages to 'hold' |
| 04:05.09 | TheDiff | so i guess supposedly they arent supposed to be updated |
| 04:05.24 | TheDiff | but ihave these little applets in ubuntu that keeps saying they need to be updated anyways |
| 04:08.48 | maquis | help |
| 04:09.22 | maquis | i need to use something like bc to raise a number to another number, mod it by something, and then raise it to a number and mod it again |
| 04:09.35 | maquis | preferably using modular exponentiation so that i'm not here all day |
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| 04:10.19 | maquis | umm |
| 04:10.24 | maquis | simpler question |
| 04:10.33 | maquis | how does one go about getting dc into hex mode |
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| 04:18.20 | levi | maquis: Beats me, but I'll bet the man page would know. |
| 04:21.57 | goozbach | WOOT!!!! |
| 04:22.07 | goozbach | The pants script is 100% done |
| 04:22.20 | goozbach | rpm built and everything |
| 04:22.27 | goozbach | yee hah! |
| 04:23.01 | goozbach | now to sleep |
| 04:25.12 | goozbach | I think that's the most brainpower I've ever spent on something that's just an example |
| 04:25.48 | levi | Pants script? |
| 04:26.02 | goozbach | yup |
| 04:26.26 | levi | I'm trying to port the Markdown text markup language to Common Lisp. |
| 04:35.09 | levi | It's going well, but some parts of it are hard to get straight. |
| 04:35.26 | levi | It's a very human-oriented markup, and thus is not particularly easy to parse. |
| 04:37.29 | goozbach | http://www.friocorte.com/projects/pants/ |
| 04:37.34 | brac | [Pants SYS-V Script] |
| 04:37.46 | goozbach | heck yes brac |
| 04:42.09 | levi | http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax |
| 04:42.16 | brac | [Daring Fireball: Markdown Syntax Documentation] |
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| 05:29.20 | Hhhhh | hullo |
| 05:40.06 | findlay | maquis: are you done yet? |
| 05:40.16 | levi | Hi. |
| 05:40.18 | levi | Time for sleep. |
| 05:40.56 | mheath | YAH! |
| 05:41.07 | findlay | sleep? yeah, that's what you do at night. I remember |
| 05:42.20 | mheath | USNSCC Winter Training schedules online |
| 05:47.58 | xbmodder_lappy | hey all. |
| 05:50.03 | findlay | vi is not obselete! |
| 05:50.51 | findlay | well, vi maybe, but vim, now there's the editor of all editors, the editor's editor, or, what am I trying to say? |
| 05:51.06 | findlay | ~praise vim |
| 05:51.08 | ibot | All hail vim! |
| 05:53.44 | xbmodder_lappy | vi* is obsolete |
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| 13:48.28 | goozbach | maquis: where did you find that quote? |
| 13:48.50 | goozbach | that description fits me at most airport security lines |
| 13:51.25 | graphyx | So it was you I saw there at SLC. I wondered... |
| 13:51.28 | graphyx | j/k. |
| 13:55.16 | goozbach | graphyx: You saw me in SLC!? |
| 13:55.25 | goozbach | wow! |
| 13:55.35 | goozbach | I wish I could see me in SLC |
| 14:00.08 | graphyx | Just find a mirror. |
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| 14:14.44 | tensai | ~lart hans |
| 14:14.52 | maquis | goozbach: what quote? |
| 14:14.59 | maquis | oh... |
| 14:15.00 | maquis | that one |
| 14:15.08 | maquis | schneier's blog |
| 14:16.09 | graphyx | maquis: If schneier is stating it I would expect it to be in satire. |
| 14:17.00 | maquis | goozbach: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/10/a_typical_terro.html |
| 14:17.03 | brac | [Schneier on Security: A "Typical" Terrorist] |
| 14:17.07 | maquis | graphyx: it's a quote from a newspaper |
| 14:17.13 | maquis | that he then talks about |
| 14:19.30 | maquis | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/27/security_for_the_paranoid/ |
| 14:19.32 | brac | [ |
| 14:19.32 | brac | Security for the paranoid | The Register ] |
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| 14:30.03 | goozbach | great article |
| 14:33.24 | xbmodder_lappy | did anybody watch the internet break last night |
| 14:34.07 | graphyx | I didn't seem to get effected by it at all. |
| 14:34.09 | graphyx | which was nice. |
| 14:34.17 | graphyx | but I might not have been doing anything when it did. |
| 14:34.23 | graphyx | The other night though I couldn't get a thing done. |
| 14:34.26 | graphyx | (Monday night) |
| 14:35.49 | goozbach | xbmodder_lappy: you broke the internet!? |
| 14:36.27 | goozbach | see these people weren't lying when they said a DNS-based P2P system was a bad idea. |
| 14:36.33 | graphyx | It was somehow caused the the transportation of an anonymous 2.4Million DNS records |
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| 14:36.52 | graphyx | goozbach: great minds think alike. |
| 14:51.09 | graphyx | Anyone have a link to the famous internet help desk video? |
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| 15:13.02 | emcnabb | graphyx, the one man on-stage skit? |
| 15:13.13 | maquis | http://dictionaraoke.com/ |
| 15:13.18 | brac | [Dictionaraoke.org - The Singing Dictionary] |
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| 15:15.03 | Goshen | Morning |
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| 15:15.23 | Goshen | Morning xbmodderX2 |
| 15:16.09 | xbmodder_ | Goshen: to you to. |
| 15:16.35 | Goshen | Think the xboxes will come down in price when 360 comes out? |
| 15:16.38 | xbmodder_ | * xbmodder says hi to Goshen |
| 15:16.42 | xbmodder_ | Goshen: a little bit |
| 15:16.50 | xbmodder_ | 100 bucks by default I guess. |
| 15:17.04 | xbmodder_ | you can get a used one for 70 dollars |
| 15:17.08 | xbmodder_ | right now. |
| 15:17.21 | Goshen | I think modding has helped them retain their value |
| 15:17.35 | Goshen | Have you checked pawn shops? |
| 15:17.48 | xbmodder_ | i haven't... |
| 15:17.55 | Goshen | $70 used? |
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| 15:18.36 | xbmodder_ | at like EB |
| 15:18.50 | xbmodder_ | I found a used one for 30 bucks on craig's list |
| 15:19.02 | Goshen | nice :) |
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| 15:20.18 | xbmodder_ | so sleepy. |
| 15:21.41 | Goshen | MODDED Xbox with 9000+ nes,snes,64 games+more |
| 15:21.44 | Goshen | lol, that isn't you is it? |
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| 15:22.21 | hagna | a self signed certificate issued a bunch of certificates and now the master certificate is gone. Can I recover it if I still have the private key? |
| 15:26.26 | xbmodder_ | lol |
| 15:26.27 | xbmodder_ | nope |
| 15:26.31 | xbmodder_ | I gave up moddin |
| 15:28.15 | Goshen | Seems like that guy is just asking for trouble |
| 15:28.33 | xbmodder_ | well i doubt its 9k |
| 15:28.51 | xbmodder_ | probably he DLed all of a ROM site |
| 15:29.00 | xbmodder_ | and put it on his xboxey! |
| 15:30.20 | xbmodder_ | hagna: i think so.. |
| 15:30.34 | graphyx | emcnabb: yeah |
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| 15:39.47 | xbmodder_ | ls -l |
| 15:39.49 | xbmodder_ | bonez39: hey |
| 15:42.41 | bonez39 | xbm |
| 15:42.48 | bonez39 | xbmodder, greetings |
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| 15:45.01 | xbmodder_ | bonez39: lala |
| 15:47.31 | emcnabb | graphyx, I have it |
| 15:49.20 | bonez39 | xbmodder, am I missing something here? |
| 15:50.33 | xbmodder_ | date |
| 15:50.37 | xbmodder_ | ~date |
| 15:50.39 | ibot | Fri Oct 21 15:50:39 2005 |
| 15:50.49 | xbmodder_ | ibot: its 15:50 |
| 15:50.53 | xbmodder_ | ... not really. |
| 15:50.56 | emcnabb | graphyx, still looking for it |
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| 16:01.41 | Uncle_Jesse | Good morning fellow #utahns |
| 16:02.27 | graphyx | emcnabb: Whats your link? |
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| 16:14.52 | goozbach | DANG! I should have accepted that job offer at Realm Systems |
| 16:15.37 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you didn't? |
| 16:15.41 | Jayce^ | dang, thayne is a fun guy |
| 16:15.46 | Jayce^ | one of the plug founders |
| 16:16.21 | goozbach | Jayce^: Rick is a cool dude as well |
| 16:16.42 | goozbach | Rick's the one who offered me a job |
| 16:18.43 | goozbach | Jayce^: this was just over a year and a half ago. I was just getting up to speed at GuruLabs |
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| 16:25.38 | goozbach | http://www.slcff.com/photos/photo?photo_id=2136 |
| 16:25.41 | brac | [rick.jpg] |
| 16:26.08 | Jayce^ | didn't know he was FF |
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| 16:26.26 | goozbach | Pounce (his wife) is |
| 16:26.37 | Jayce^ | http://www.petprofessional.net/poster.php |
| 16:26.39 | brac | [The Pet Professional - By Jason Salsbury and Matt Kaufenberg] |
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| 16:31.09 | goozbach | in that picture of rick he has this evil look on his face... |
| 16:31.46 | goozbach | made even eviler knowing that he has two glocks, an old colt .45 and a beretta on his person |
| 16:33.47 | Jayce^ | that's a lot at once |
| 16:34.55 | elg | goozbach: why didn't you? |
| 16:38.43 | goozbach | realmsys couldn't send me all over the country |
| 16:39.28 | Jayce^ | goozbach really enjoys filing sing-status taxes.... |
| 16:39.32 | Jayce^ | single |
| 16:42.27 | goozbach | Jayce^: funny you mention it but that was one thing I think that Rick thought about when he offered the job |
| 16:42.41 | goozbach | it was back when ondiv and I were 'engaged' |
| 16:43.14 | Jayce^ | heh |
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| 16:46.42 | levi | Morning. |
| 16:47.41 | goozbach | afternoon |
| 16:47.48 | goozbach | well almost |
| 16:47.52 | goozbach | (here) |
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| 17:15.35 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone ever try yamipod to sync their ipod under linux? |
| 17:15.56 | Goshen | I hear that Utopia is available now to some |
| 17:16.18 | Goshen | Thats really exciting, unfortunately my Sandy(work) and West Jordan(home) are both not on |
| 17:18.11 | jsmith | Yeah, no kidding. |
| 17:20.47 | Goshen | I saw someone posting they wanted to borrow someones roof in murray for $50 a month on craigs list |
| 17:21.15 | Goshen | for a wireless hookup |
| 17:26.59 | jsmith | Not surprising... |
| 17:27.11 | mheath_ | Speaking of hookups, I was curious what the antenna on a house near here would be used for |
| 17:27.19 | jsmith | My friend in Midvale is getting hooked up in the next month or so :-) |
| 17:27.32 | mheath_ | Its a small tower (extends slightly above the house, from the ground), with two parallel X-shaped extensions on the top |
| 17:27.42 | mheath_ | Does anyone know what that would be used for? |
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| 17:28.23 | jsmith | mheath_: Might be some kind of ham radio tower -- but that's just a guess |
| 17:28.24 | tensai | mheath_: sounds like ham. Uncle_Jesse? |
| 17:29.01 | tensai | mheath_: kinda like the frame of a tie-fighter? |
| 17:29.11 | mheath_ | um, I really don't remember |
| 17:29.26 | mheath_ | (don't remember how a tie-figheter is framed, that is |
| 17:30.07 | Uncle_Jesse | sounds like a ham tower, but I'm not familiar with that type of antennae - could just be a TV antennae |
| 17:31.26 | mheath_ | http://www1.harenet.ne.jp/~ja4wal/ham%200141.jpg <---Like that, but without so much crud on the top. Just imagine that those two biggest perpendicular extensions leaed out to X-shaped extensions |
| 17:33.54 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - it's a ham - a form of yagi antennae most likely |
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| 17:35.20 | sjansen | ~praise whoever first mentioned ocremix |
| 17:35.21 | ibot | All hail whoever first mentioned ocremix! |
| 17:35.59 | goozbach | ocremix? |
| 17:36.05 | goozbach | ~ocremix? |
| 17:36.41 | sjansen | I thought ibot knew that one. |
| 17:37.22 | mheath_ | I'd like to get into HAM |
| 17:37.32 | mheath_ | So I could have a go-anywhere internet connection, mainly. |
| 17:38.28 | sjansen | ibot: ocremix is <reply> http://www.ocremix.org/ [OverClocked ReMix - Unofficial Game Music Arrangement Communitiy] |
| 17:38.29 | ibot | sjansen: okay |
| 17:38.29 | brac | [OverClocked ReMix - Unofficial Game Music Arrangement Community] |
| 17:38.38 | sjansen | ~ocremix |
| 17:38.39 | ibot | http://www.ocremix.org/ [OverClocked ReMix - Unofficial Game Music Arrangement Communitiy] |
| 17:38.40 | brac | [OverClocked ReMix - Unofficial Game Music Arrangement Community] |
| 17:39.24 | mheath_ | brac: you're very annoying. |
| 17:39.29 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath_: as long as your okay with 9600 kbps |
| 17:39.45 | mheath_ | Meh, thats not bad. |
| 17:39.56 | Uncle_Jesse | otherwise you may as well sign up for verizon wireless's internet service and you've got much better |
| 17:40.11 | Uncle_Jesse | ham is good in an emergency situation when all the cell and phone towers are down |
| 17:40.18 | mheath_ | Uncle_Jesse: but what happens if I have a sudden inclination to go to...say...China? ;P |
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| 17:40.33 | jsmith | mheath_: If you really want go-anywhere Internet, just get a bluetooth cell phone with GPRS/EDGE capabililties |
| 17:42.10 | Uncle_Jesse | exactly |
| 17:42.40 | mheath_ | jsmith: A year from now, I'm going to be at location X, Y, where X,Y, is not within the USA |
| 17:43.03 | mheath_ | I need to read up on the Navy's shipboard technology security stuff. I might not be able to access radio networks, but if I can... |
| 17:43.14 | mheath_ | It would be nice to have a reliable, go-anywhere network |
| 17:43.25 | elg | sneakernet |
| 17:43.57 | mheath_ | The Navy's security is overwhelmingly complicated |
| 17:43.59 | levi | mail-net. |
| 17:44.08 | levi | Complete with envelopes and stamps! |
| 17:44.09 | elg | great bandwidth |
| 17:44.19 | mheath_ | you have to wait days for e-mail to come in, sometimes, because they thorougly scan it all |
| 17:44.41 | sjansen | Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon packed with 8mm tape. |
| 17:45.05 | elg | ~underestimate sjansen |
| 17:45.06 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath_: China has pretty strict restrictions on their airways - you may not be able to do internet via ham there |
| 17:45.11 | Jayce^ | hey sjansen you in town tomorrow? |
| 17:45.15 | Uncle_Jesse | each country has their own rules similar to our fcc |
| 17:45.17 | mheath_ | I'm not even sure they'd allow me to continue coding for the GNU project, like I do =\ |
| 17:45.17 | jsmith | sjansen: Right :-) |
| 17:45.20 | sjansen | mheath_: So, basically, what you're looking for is a way to circumvent Navy security? |
| 17:45.28 | mheath_ | sjansen: NO. |
| 17:45.28 | sjansen | Jayce^: kinda |
| 17:46.10 | mheath_ | sjansen: I'll have a top secret security clearance by then. Doing such things would be grounds for me to spend the next 20 years or so of my life in a military prison. |
| 17:46.20 | Jayce^ | sjansen, want to have something with which you can rub in goozbach's face? |
| 17:46.29 | Jayce^ | to make him totally jealous of you? |
| 17:46.38 | mheath_ | I'm looking into ways that, while still compliant with their security requirements, would alllow me to get more reliable internet access. |
| 17:46.57 | sjansen | Jayce^: I'm listening. |
| 17:47.19 | jsmith | mheath_: http://www.wired.com/news/wireless/0,1382,69209,00.html?tw=rss.TOP |
| 17:47.20 | Jayce^ | sjansen, 100+ man paintball game at vivian park |
| 17:47.20 | brac | [Wired News: Creating the Global Hot Spot] |
| 17:47.26 | Jayce^ | WWII scenario game |
| 17:47.39 | mheath_ | ooh |
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| 17:48.35 | goozbach | if sjansen is going to be there I might think about blowing off my date with a hot blonde |
| 17:48.54 | Jayce^ | goozbach, just bring here |
| 17:48.55 | Jayce^ | her |
| 17:49.08 | Jayce^ | my wife and one of the other guy's will be there |
| 17:50.20 | sjansen | nothing says "I'm interested in you" like pegging the person in the mask |
| 17:50.24 | sjansen | repeatedly |
| 17:50.38 | Uncle_Jesse | lol |
| 17:51.28 | Jayce^ | goozbach, it's show's you're adventuresome, and original, and athletic...(*cough*) |
| 17:51.39 | Jayce^ | and with the other women there, she'll feel ok |
| 17:51.52 | elg | just make sure you let her hit you a few times |
| 17:53.13 | mheath_ | Jayce^: is there a change that I could come to said event? :) |
| 17:53.48 | Jayce^ | sure, just register at pegleg, or $10 at the event, and arrange for equipment |
| 17:54.17 | mheath_ | Where is it, and when? |
| 17:55.12 | mheath_ | And will they have equipment available to rent there? (I have a friend who might want to come.....he doesn't have his own gear, though) |
| 17:55.32 | elg | sjansen: finger-lickin' good |
| 17:57.28 | jsmith | sjansen: Just eat it with a spoon. |
| 17:59.16 | mheath_ | Jayce^: when is it? |
| 17:59.31 | graphyx | goozbach: Let her nail you and then later complain about how much it hurts getting hit in the neck.. |
| 17:59.53 | mheath_ | Anyone know what was going on at the UoU last saturday? |
| 18:00.03 | graphyx | football game? |
| 18:00.10 | mheath_ | horrible traffic |
| 18:01.38 | mheath_ | and of course, the crowd was staring at me |
| 18:01.43 | mheath_ | like they'd never seen a sailor before :P |
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| 18:02.52 | elg | sigh |
| 18:03.24 | graphyx | elg: Just play games until your wrist hurts. |
| 18:03.32 | graphyx | Then you have the excuse of your wrist hurting. |
| 18:03.58 | sjansen | elg: Should you be researching, um, Linux related stuff for you business? |
| 18:04.52 | sjansen | elg: For example, have you played with evms yet? Isn't that more important than homework? |
| 18:05.14 | elg | maybe... unfortunately it doesn't have a looming deadline. |
| 18:05.26 | mheath_ | Jayce^: let me know the details of that paintballing thing, preferably in PM =\ |
| 18:06.09 | elg | sjansen: I'm in a post-coding slump. ever get those? |
| 18:06.42 | mheath_ | I've been unmotivated to work on projects lately =\ |
| 18:07.33 | elg | where you were _in_ the code. you _got_ it and you were cranking it out and it's beautiful.. now you can't justify moving on to the next phase of that project (at least until finishing the homework) but homework looks bland in comparison |
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| 18:07.57 | elg | and so does everything from evms (whatever that is) to slashdot |
| 18:08.12 | sjansen | ah, you miss the flow |
| 18:08.19 | elg | yup. |
| 18:08.31 | elg | luckily, I've already done the thinking of this homework, I just have to type it up |
| 18:08.49 | sjansen | perhaps you could just dictate |
| 18:09.03 | mheath_ | O.o |
| 18:09.07 | sjansen | isn't that what children are for? to do work you don't want to? |
| 18:09.21 | elg | yeah, but he hasn't learned to type yet. |
| 18:09.28 | mheath_ | Isn't the biggest emphasied feature of the new firefox and thundebird beta's supposed to be the autoupdate feature? |
| 18:09.30 | sjansen | elg: what better time to teach him?! |
| 18:09.45 | mheath_ | Why won't Thunderbird 1.5beta1 update to Thunderbird 1.5beta2? |
| 18:09.47 | sjansen | mheath_: for me, it's the svg support |
| 18:10.02 | elg | sjansen: when he doesn't accidentally wreck my gnome desktop so bad that i have to rm -rf ~/.gnome |
| 18:10.06 | sjansen | and the approaching xforms support |
| 18:10.20 | elg | new firefox has svg? |
| 18:10.27 | elg | is it decent? including scripting? |
| 18:10.37 | elg | xforms too? what's this world coming to |
| 18:11.32 | elg | sjansen: one thing that sounds fun right now is buying an iriver and listening to rubyconf talks all day |
| 18:11.43 | Jayce^ | goiabada 'eh? |
| 18:11.58 | Jayce^ | mheath_, calla pegleg for deatails, but no, no rentals onsite |
| 18:12.16 | mheath_ | Jayce^: give me a date, at least? |
| 18:12.24 | Jayce^ | tomorrow |
| 18:12.30 | Jayce^ | 11:30 to 4:30 |
| 18:13.15 | mheath_ | ah, no can do then |
| 18:14.44 | emcnabb | hell is freezing over... GnuCash version 2 is going to be released in December |
| 18:15.18 | elg | december, eh? getting all the help they can get in freezing it.. |
| 18:15.54 | goozbach | grue grue grue!! |
| 18:16.24 | jsmith | emcnabb: Really? |
| 18:16.24 | sjansen | emcnabb: don't do that, you could kill a person like that |
| 18:22.02 | goozbach | eek! I about forgot to end the exam |
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| 18:29.19 | sjansen | ~slap goozbach |
| 18:29.20 | ibot | ACTION slaps goozbach, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
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| 18:58.59 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | hey |
| 18:59.06 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | does anyone know how to apply a patch |
| 18:59.11 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | to gcc |
| 19:00.14 | graphyx | wouldn't you just unpack the source and put the patch on top of that and compile it? |
| 19:00.20 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | umm |
| 19:00.26 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | i dont know, would I? |
| 19:00.33 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | what do you mean put the patch on top |
| 19:00.38 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | do i just put it in the same direcdtory |
| 19:00.43 | graphyx | Well that is what a patch is. |
| 19:00.49 | graphyx | It corrects the source of a file. |
| 19:00.53 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | okay |
| 19:00.59 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | but i didnt know how to apply it |
| 19:01.03 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | when recompiling |
| 19:01.11 | graphyx | Check for the directions that came with the patch. |
| 19:01.15 | Tene | might I suggest "patch"? |
| 19:01.17 | JoshH | you use the patch command to apply it, usually |
| 19:01.18 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | there were none :'( |
| 19:01.24 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | um |
| 19:01.32 | elg | cd gcc-source-tree/ ; patch -p1 < the_patch |
| 19:01.33 | Tene | it's a utility for applying patches. |
| 19:01.38 | JoshH | why do you want to patch gcc anyway, if you dont even know how? |
| 19:01.49 | elg | the hard part, methinks, is going to be compiling and installing gcc. if you know what you're doing there then you're ok. |
| 19:02.08 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | JoshH: its not for normal gcc |
| 19:02.11 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | its for avr-gcc |
| 19:02.25 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | and i have to patch it because i need to use this version of it for tinyos |
| 19:02.35 | sjansen | ~hug sed |
| 19:02.37 | ibot | ACTION hugs sed |
| 19:02.37 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | but the make keeps failing |
| 19:03.06 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | so i'm not screwing with my box's gcc |
| 19:03.26 | elg | TheDiff|SnrProjL: see my line above, and/or read the patch manpage |
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| 19:04.22 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | aight |
| 19:05.02 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | i saw it was a diff file |
| 19:05.11 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | i was about to just go through line by line and make the changes by hand |
| 19:05.12 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | hahaha |
| 19:05.13 | sjansen | TheDiff|SnrProjL: Patching a compiler is almost guarenteed to be a long an hairy path. Might as well do as much learning as possible along the way. |
| 19:05.35 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | :( |
| 19:05.41 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | i hate when this crap doesnt just work |
| 19:05.56 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | thats amazing |
| 19:06.00 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | i'm not even angry |
| 19:06.02 | sjansen | TheDiff|SnrProjL: The only things that "just works" is a rock. |
| 19:07.10 | sjansen | For those that aren't aware, vi and sed have a common ancestor: ed. |
| 19:08.24 | sjansen | So if you need to perform an edit across multiple files, you can very quickly do it across multiple files in a single command. |
| 19:08.27 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | emerge program just works :) |
| 19:10.20 | *** join/#utah SpecialZ (n=chatzill@128.187.249.108) |
| 19:10.29 | sjansen | For example, adding a copyright statement to a collection of files: sed -i '2 i <!-- Copyright Guru Labs, L.C. -->' *.xml |
| 19:11.41 | sjansen | Or getting fancier: sed -i '2 i <!-- Copyright Guru Labs, L.C. --> ; /?oxygen/ d' *.xml |
| 19:12.24 | Bradipo | sjansen: assuming that this is gnu sed we're talking about... |
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| 19:12.41 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 19:12.41 | sjansen | Bradipo: There's another?! That's sick! ;-) |
| 19:12.56 | Bradipo | And wrong. |
| 19:13.02 | Bradipo | There is always perl -i |
| 19:13.23 | Bradipo | perl -ie rather. |
| 19:14.31 | graphyx | TimRiker: Where do you work? |
| 19:15.30 | TimRiker | lds church familysearch.org by temple square. |
| 19:15.38 | TimRiker | there is also an office in AF. |
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| 19:16.03 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | crap |
| 19:16.08 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | the problem isnt what i thought it was |
| 19:16.16 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | i think i need an older version of gcc |
| 19:16.50 | *** topic/#utah by maquis -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds --- Jeff Waugh will be speaking at BYU on Nov 15: save the date! |
| 19:17.42 | sjansen | TimRiker is leading a covert strike force to elminate all non-Free Software. Rumor has it, he's also working to add bzflag as an easter egg in PAF. |
| 19:18.13 | TimRiker | hehe. that would be fun. course if it's open source then everyone would know. |
| 19:18.13 | maquis | sjansen: nice :) |
| 19:18.41 | tensai | sjansen: I still have your notes on my whiteboard |
| 19:18.57 | TimRiker | one of the teams that has openings is the team that will be building the new PAF. |
| 19:19.14 | maquis | someone at the meeting last night was saying that there should be a bzflag plugin to emacs... |
| 19:19.27 | TimRiker | hehe. |
| 19:20.26 | maquis | :) |
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| 19:20.39 | maquis | -lart jakea |
| 19:20.59 | jakea | bah, what did I post now? |
| 19:21.31 | sjansen | jakea: that's maquis' way of saying hi |
| 19:21.37 | goozbach | I think my rock is broken |
| 19:21.45 | sjansen | she's still working on her social skills |
| 19:22.09 | sjansen | goozbach: do not taunt happy fun rock |
| 19:22.18 | goozbach | it has a rattle |
| 19:22.30 | goozbach | my rock has a rattle... WTF is that? |
| 19:23.37 | jakea | sjansen: No, I have a tendancy to make maquis angry. She gets real mad and turns green and stuff. |
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| 19:27.04 | goozbach | well off to find the train stop which will convey me to the airport which will fly me to utah |
| 19:27.26 | maquis | goozbach: good luck |
| 19:27.28 | maquis | that sounds scary |
| 19:28.04 | tensai | hans: ping |
| 19:28.15 | hans | pong |
| 19:28.20 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
| 19:28.31 | tensai | hans: you set up your actiontec for bridging, right? |
| 19:28.41 | hans | yup |
| 19:28.57 | maquis | -lrat SpecialZ |
| 19:29.14 | maquis | -lart SpecialZ |
| 19:29.16 | hans | TimRiker: you're working in the FHD these days then? |
| 19:29.27 | tensai | hans: that requires a pppoe client behind the craptiontec, correct? |
| 19:29.32 | hans | correct |
| 19:30.03 | tensai | hans: how do you get to the actiontec after that? or do you at all? |
| 19:30.12 | hans | it still responds on the internal address |
| 19:30.22 | hans | 192.168.0.1 or whatever |
| 19:30.36 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | lets cross our fingers and hope this works |
| 19:30.40 | tensai | hans: but it doesn't do nat or routing or anything |
| 19:31.04 | hans | you can have it route, but I don't think you'd want to have it NAT, although I suppose you could.. |
| 19:31.08 | hans | but you'd have to set up the static rouges |
| 19:31.10 | hans | er, routes. |
| 19:31.31 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | yay, its compiling! |
| 19:31.34 | hans | i have it route 172.17.0.0/24 to 172.17.0.3 (my server) |
| 19:31.45 | hans | just for completeness, but I have its dhcp off too |
| 19:32.02 | TheDiff|SnrProjL | dhcp wont work on my linksys router :'( |
| 19:32.05 | hans | although I can conceive a setup where it does dhcp and says it is the default route for dhcp clients |
| 19:32.05 | tensai | hmm. I thought it turned into a simple repeater. it still does stuff? |
| 19:32.33 | tensai | I moved dhcp to my server long ago. didn't work reliably. |
| 19:32.33 | hans | but in that case it'd need to be set up to have its default route to your pppoe server (which obviously would need to nat/forward) |
| 19:32.38 | hans | right |
| 19:32.49 | hans | so yeah, basically it still does stuff |
| 19:33.14 | tensai | interesting |
| 19:33.17 | hans | one of the stuff it does is forward the pppoe traffic, which means it doesn't really do anything with the isp |
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| 19:34.20 | tensai | I'm thinking of replacing the functionality with my wrt54g. the actiontec just bridges ethernet to dsl. will that work? |
| 19:34.44 | hans | if you have pppoe on the wrt54g |
| 19:34.53 | tensai | it does. I'm using openwrt. |
| 19:35.05 | hans | good as gold then |
| 19:35.14 | hans | (assuming your ISP plays the pppoe game) |
| 19:35.30 | tensai | and if it doesn't work, I can restore my actiontec without losing the settings? |
| 19:36.01 | hans | yeah, the reset button |
| 19:36.01 | tensai | that won't nuke all the configs? |
| 19:36.25 | tensai | guess he pushed the reset button... |
| 19:37.53 | JoshH | the reset button on an actiontec resets it to the factory settings |
| 19:38.05 | JoshH | dhcp on, nat on, 192.168.0.1, etc |
| 19:39.03 | TimRiker | missed hans. I'm working in the JSMB for the church on the new familysearch.org |
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| 19:39.27 | tensai | JoshH: that's what I thought. I don't relish the thought of redoing my whole config. |
| 19:39.47 | mheath | OK, I'm going to finish my cluster tonight. |
| 19:39.49 | mheath | Thats my goal. |
| 19:40.21 | mheath | Hey, does anyone have any suggestions on a floppy disk that will allow me to find the MAC adress for a 3Com 900? |
| 19:40.44 | mheath | Like, a single-floppy linux distro with ifconfig and the 3com driver |
| 19:41.17 | TimRiker | knoppix work for ya? ;-) |
| 19:41.32 | tensai | tomsrtbt |
| 19:41.57 | tensai | those 3com cards are pretty common, I would bet tom's has it included |
| 19:44.14 | graphyx | mheath try freesco |
| 19:44.33 | graphyx | It's a linux based diskless bootable switch emulating distro |
| 19:44.52 | graphyx | freesco like free cisco |
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| 19:50.41 | mheath_ | argh |
| 19:52.26 | mheath_ | Anyone willing to give me a hostname in their domain? |
| 19:55.08 | Bradipo | I think there are free services that do this already... |
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| 19:56.28 | mheath_ | Meh, I don't really like any of them. |
| 19:57.02 | Bradipo | Why would you like someone else's domain? |
| 19:57.26 | Bradipo | More than the free ones... |
| 19:58.41 | Tene | mheath_: I can give you a sub on allalone.org |
| 19:58.41 | hans | tensai: sure it'll nuke your configuration |
| 19:58.51 | hans | you'll want to make sure you've got it all written down somewhere. |
| 20:00.26 | Tene | mheath_: dyndns.org has a free service with a very large variety of domain obtions |
| 20:00.29 | Tene | options, even |
| 20:04.38 | tensai | hans: well that's a crappy deal. there's no way to save/restore from a file either. |
| 20:04.42 | tensai | ~lart actiontec |
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| 20:05.28 | hans | the config isn't that complicated, though, is it? |
| 20:05.45 | Tene | ~lart mheath_ |
| 20:05.46 | hans | all you have to worry about is not being able to get to it from the internal interface |
| 20:05.59 | hans | if your firmware is up to date, changing to bridging isn't going to hose anything |
| 20:06.06 | hans | and you just switch back if it doesn't wokr. |
| 20:06.36 | mheath_ | Hmm |
| 20:06.49 | mheath_ | I have a question, something thats always confused me...sorry if this is a stupid question |
| 20:07.06 | graphyx | mheath_: Just ask |
| 20:07.08 | tensai | I guess it's not too complicated. ip address, ssid, wep key, un/pw. still, that's annoying. |
| 20:07.14 | mheath_ | say I have a hostname, revolution.datamachine.net (my old hostname) pointing to 24.2.81.30, my IP adress |
| 20:07.20 | tensai | my firmware isn't up to date though. I'm considering upgrading first. |
| 20:07.20 | mheath_ | at my IP adress is my router |
| 20:07.33 | mheath_ | In the routers DMZ is my server |
| 20:08.00 | mheath_ | Why don't programs on my server like binding to revolution.datamachine.net? (I usually have to use localhost) |
| 20:08.29 | sjansen | does the machine know that it is called revolution.datamachine.net? |
| 20:08.51 | mheath_ | Yes |
| 20:09.03 | hans | tensai: well it's always annoying when something goes awol. :) but it's not supposed to so it's just another case of X went AWOL |
| 20:09.05 | mheath_ | It's configured with it's hostname as revolution, its domainname as datamachine.net |
| 20:09.18 | sjansen | so it resolves that name to an ip it owns? |
| 20:09.18 | hans | just make sure you can get to it from the internal interface first and you're good to go |
| 20:09.31 | hans | who knows, maybe you could even get to it through its usb interface somehow |
| 20:09.38 | hans | the newer firmwares make those things much better |
| 20:09.56 | tensai | I wish I had two of these things |
| 20:10.39 | sjansen | mheath_: most software isn't going to use gethostname() and getdomainname(), it's just going to try to resolve and bind to an ip |
| 20:10.55 | mheath_ | Ah |
| 20:10.58 | mheath_ | That explains it |
| 20:11.09 | mheath_ | because the domain name resolves to my public IP |
| 20:11.23 | mheath_ | whereas the server is only configured for its private IP |
| 20:11.23 | sjansen | you probably want to add an entry to your /etc/hosts |
| 20:11.41 | mheath_ | It does have an entry in /etc/hosts |
| 20:12.41 | sjansen | but does the hosts entry point at an ip the machine owns, or at the routers ip? |
| 20:12.57 | mheath_ | an IP the machine owns |
| 20:13.46 | sjansen | then I don't know why you're having problems binding to that name |
| 20:17.11 | elg | TimRiker: that's cool. (/me == hans) |
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| 20:18.00 | tensai | hans: see, now you've convinced mheath that it's cool to be here multiple times |
| 20:18.06 | tensai | -lart hans |
| 20:18.19 | sjansen | ~reject brac |
| 20:18.22 | hans | TimRiker: well if you folks need a part-time remote contractor who knows the problem domain well, look me up. |
| 20:19.21 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone have a good ntp server that they know works? |
| 20:19.28 | tensai | pool.ntp.org, time.windows.com |
| 20:19.39 | hans | hell.cs.byu.edu |
| 20:19.48 | Uncle_Jesse | ooh - I like hans' |
| 20:20.23 | sjansen | Oo, Dragon Warrior |
| 20:20.47 | Uncle_Jesse | weird - my ntp isn't recognizing any working servers. |
| 20:21.07 | Uncle_Jesse | brb - gotta reboot to reset fedora's stupid firewall |
| 20:21.07 | Tene | mheath_: do you want a sub on allalone.org or not? |
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| 20:25.07 | Tene | mheath: having fun? |
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| 20:26.50 | Bradipo | Uncle_Jesse: XMission has their own GPS clock you can sync with. |
| 20:27.08 | Bradipo | clock.xmission.com |
| 20:27.23 | Bradipo | Since you are an XMission customer you could probably use that. |
| 20:27.37 | Uncle_Jesse | Bradipo: cool - thanks |
| 20:27.38 | mheath | Tene: More or less. |
| 20:27.42 | Uncle_Jesse | I'll try that one |
| 20:27.49 | mheath | Sorry, I'm doing a lot of maintenance on my router |
| 20:27.55 | mheath | upgrading firmware, changing settings, etc. |
| 20:28.35 | mheath | Made me a little bit upset, because upgrading the firmware made it forget what IP adress to request via DHCP |
| 20:28.54 | mheath | So, after over 2 years of having the same IP adress, today I got a new IP adress :( |
| 20:29.38 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: I'm suspicious of this need to reboot. |
| 20:29.44 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone know what the name of the firewall service is that fc4 runs? I want to turn it off |
| 20:29.52 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: but fedora told me to ;-) |
| 20:30.07 | sjansen | should just be iptables |
| 20:30.13 | Uncle_Jesse | well, the firewall app that fedora runs told me to |
| 20:30.27 | sjansen | /etc/init.d/iptables stop ; /etc/init.d/iptables save ; chkconfig iptables off |
| 20:31.01 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: it's already turned off in chkconfig |
| 20:31.20 | hans | iptables -X |
| 20:31.23 | hans | iptables -t nat X |
| 20:31.27 | hans | er, -X |
| 20:31.28 | hans | that will do it. |
| 20:31.46 | hans | oh, make sure your policies are not deny too |
| 20:31.56 | hans | or that will be an unpleasant experience if you're not on the box. |
| 20:32.10 | Uncle_Jesse | lol - it's just my laptop so I can afford a messup |
| 20:32.17 | Uncle_Jesse | hmmm...must not be the firewall |
| 20:33.16 | Uncle_Jesse | konsole sucks |
| 20:33.21 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: do you have selinux enabled? |
| 20:33.23 | Uncle_Jesse | Oct 21 10:31:55 localhost ntpdate[3366]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 20:33.26 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: what's the problem? |
| 20:34.03 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: my guess (no idea if it's right or not) is that you might have to tell it where to go for the ntp server? |
| 20:34.05 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: don't think so - at least it's not showing up in ps |
| 20:34.28 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: I think I am. In ntp.conf I have: |
| 20:34.30 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: selinux isn't a process, it's a kernel think like netfilter (aka iptables) |
| 20:34.37 | Uncle_Jesse | server clock.xmission.com |
| 20:34.55 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: any idea how I can tell if it's running? |
| 20:35.02 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: when you're starting up, it usually prints a couple things when it starts up SELinux... assuming of course that you look at the boot messages |
| 20:35.54 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: Look in /var/log/messages, if selinux is clocking ntp you should be getting avc deny messages. |
| 20:36.04 | sjansen | grep avc /var/log/messages |
| 20:36.38 | tensai | Uncle_Jesse: netstat -lnup |grep 123 |
| 20:36.40 | sjansen | system-config-securitylevel in gui mode will have a tab for selinux (text mode doesn't) |
| 20:36.42 | tensai | Uncle_Jesse: ntpq -p localhost |
| 20:37.11 | sjansen | I think the command to shut it off from the command line is setenforce 0 |
| 20:37.25 | Tene | Uncle_Jesse: the proper way to talk to services in fedora/redhat systems is with 'service' |
| 20:37.41 | sjansen | Tene: who defines proper? |
| 20:37.43 | Tene | in the case you were mentioning, /sbin/service iptables stop |
| 20:38.05 | Tene | the way I do it |
| 20:38.09 | Tene | >.> |
| 20:38.10 | sjansen | I'd argue /etc/init.d/service-name is a better habit because it's cross distro. |
| 20:39.28 | Uncle_Jesse | Tene: I like to use the /etc/init.d/servicename (same as sjansen) |
| 20:40.41 | Uncle_Jesse | Tene: what does the ntpq -p thing do? |
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| 20:40.53 | Tene | dunno. ask tensai. |
| 20:41.00 | Uncle_Jesse | oops - tensai |
| 20:41.22 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm showing clock.xmission.com, local(0), and clock2.redhat.com |
| 20:41.26 | tensai | Uncle_Jesse: queries the ntp daemon for its current status. shows what clocks it can reach, how far off they are, etc. |
| 20:41.48 | Uncle_Jesse | reach is 0 for xmission and redhat |
| 20:41.56 | Uncle_Jesse | 77 for local(0) |
| 20:42.08 | maquis | -math 199/225 |
| 20:42.08 | brac | 0 |
| 20:42.19 | maquis | ummm... no |
| 20:42.32 | maquis | brac: can you do floating-point? |
| 20:42.32 | brac | I can't do that Dave. |
| 20:42.33 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:42.43 | maquis | i'm not dave... |
| 20:42.48 | tensai | -math 199.0/225.0 |
| 20:42.48 | brac | 0.884444444444444 |
| 20:43.02 | maquis | tensai: thanks... |
| 20:43.02 | tensai | maquis: :P |
| 20:43.10 | tensai | -math 199f/225f |
| 20:43.10 | brac | illegal expression "199f/225f" |
| 20:43.16 | maquis | not a bad score, if i do say so myself... :) |
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| 20:45.55 | graphyx | so how come tar and grep have file argument limits far short of ls and mv? |
| 20:48.39 | Tene | argh! |
| 20:48.41 | Tene | ~lart php |
| 20:48.57 | Tene | ~kill php |
| 20:48.58 | ibot | ACTION shoots a pseudomeson gun at php |
| 20:49.19 | Tene | ~php |
| 20:49.21 | ibot | HTML-embedded scripting language. URL: http://www.php.net/, or gimpy like python, or an incredible pain. |
| 20:49.26 | brac | [PHP: Manual Quick Reference] |
| 20:49.56 | Tene | ibot: php is also don't use php |
| 20:49.58 | ibot | okay, Tene |
| 20:52.16 | graphyx | ok who was "trying" to teach me the perl substitute for sed the other day? |
| 20:52.21 | graphyx | I think I forget everything I once knew. |
| 20:52.52 | Tene | Okay, seriously, this is not cool. this app is using mysql_pconnect that is supposed to open or re-use a persistent connection. |
| 20:53.24 | Tene | The db server was moved to another box the other day so I changed the config. |
| 20:54.02 | Tene | It's calling pconnect() with the new parameters, but still trying to use a connection to localhost |
| 20:54.21 | Tene | tried restarting apache... |
| 20:55.45 | graphyx | nvm, I looked in my logs |
| 21:12.30 | vontrapp | Tene: pdisconnect()? |
| 21:13.33 | levi | This is fun: http://wigflip.com/ds/text |
| 21:14.43 | Tene | I explicitly told one of the mysql calls to use the new connection |
| 21:14.50 | Tene | php database stuff is really stupid |
| 21:15.13 | Tene | they have a "feature" where if you don't specify the database connection, it automagically uses the most recently used one. |
| 21:16.35 | graphyx | ok what is the way to use Normal in vi? |
| 21:16.54 | graphyx | sjansen you available? |
| 21:19.28 | levi | Tene: I am almost universally annoyed at programming language features that assume things like that. |
| 21:19.53 | Tene | graphyx: "use Normal"? |
| 21:20.37 | sjansen | graphyx: I am now. |
| 21:24.04 | hans | maquis: you're not dave? |
| 21:24.09 | hans | have you seen that movie? |
| 21:24.21 | graphyx | sjansen: I got what I was looking for. Thanks though. |
| 21:27.22 | mheath | http://www.geocities.com/joltrush2004/cluster.jpg :) |
| 21:28.44 | hans | ibot, conver this grammar to chomsky normal form for me, would ya? |
| 21:29.06 | levi | (in Aussie accent) That's not a cluster. /This/ is a cluster: http://www.linuxnetworx.com/evolocity/ |
| 21:29.08 | brac | [Evolocity Linux Cluster High Performance Systems and Supercomputers] |
| 21:29.41 | mheath | Pssh |
| 21:30.10 | sjansen | levi: you giving them out? |
| 21:30.17 | levi | sjansen: Um, no. :) |
| 21:30.35 | levi | You can see a picture of the gadget I wrote firmware for on that page, though. |
| 21:31.01 | mheath | The sad thing is... |
| 21:31.10 | mheath | I can't even turn on all those computers at once, I think |
| 21:31.11 | sjansen | hans: converting grammars is a job for a program, stop doing your homework and start coding! |
| 21:31.14 | mheath | I'd trip the circuit breaker |
| 21:31.16 | Uncle_Jesse | Man - I've got to relearn the lingo out here |
| 21:31.22 | mheath | I have to have them on seperate circuits |
| 21:31.26 | Uncle_Jesse | stuff like "that rocks" |
| 21:31.32 | Uncle_Jesse | and "you guys" |
| 21:31.32 | hans | :) |
| 21:31.41 | Uncle_Jesse | and "wicked cool" |
| 21:31.55 | Bradipo | awesome. |
| 21:32.06 | hans | no, frickin' awesome |
| 21:32.06 | levi | Uncle_Jesse: Back in Utah? |
| 21:32.17 | Uncle_Jesse | hans: no, friggin' awesome |
| 21:32.27 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: yup - in Park City at the moment |
| 21:32.31 | Uncle_Jesse | staying in West Jordan |
| 21:32.38 | Uncle_Jesse | I was working in West Valley yesterday |
| 21:33.04 | levi | mheath: Some of the clusters we've sold require as much power and air conditioning as a small subdivision of housing. |
| 21:33.13 | Uncle_Jesse | I think I'll go down to Provo on Sunday and visit my brother |
| 21:33.29 | mheath | levi: my cluster cost me nothing, unlike your hundreds-of-thousands-of-dollars machines |
| 21:33.51 | levi | mheath: More like tens of millions for the big ones. |
| 21:33.53 | sjansen | mheath: I don't think they cost levi anything either. |
| 21:34.23 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: live the farther south you can - housing is getting expensive the further north you go |
| 21:34.24 | hans | except maybe his sanity |
| 21:34.43 | levi | hans: I'm removed enough from the actual construction of the clusters to keep my sanity. :) |
| 21:34.55 | Uncle_Jesse | you could work for aol |
| 21:34.59 | sjansen | levi: you still think you're sane? |
| 21:35.21 | levi | sjansen: Not entirely, but to some degree, yes. :) |
| 21:35.39 | mheath | Isn't a very powerful cluster =\ |
| 21:35.49 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm libsane |
| 21:35.50 | levi | (I do enjoy Lisp, so I can't be entirely sane.) |
| 21:37.27 | levi | Not much point in a cluster that's not very powerful. Might as well scrape together some pennies, sell some junk on ebay, and buy a new PC. |
| 21:38.28 | mheath | Pentium 3 450mhz, Pentium 1 166mhz, Pentium 1 166mhz, Sparc64 143mhz, and (soon) AMD Athlon 700mhz |
| 21:38.59 | mheath | levi: its a compile farm, esentially |
| 21:39.00 | sjansen | levi: you forget geek points |
| 21:39.03 | mheath | distcc and the like |
| 21:39.27 | levi | mheath: I'll bet you'd get faster compile times with a new computer with a fast hard drive. |
| 21:39.31 | mheath | Well, the Sparc64 isn't really part of the cluster |
| 21:40.09 | sjansen | the conversion rate on geek points may not be attractive, but that's not the point |
| 21:40.17 | mheath | levi: I doubt it. I don't have much money. |
| 21:40.43 | graphyx | This isn't working for me. I am doing for i in ` ` do cmd; done |
| 21:41.01 | graphyx | And it gives syntax error near unexpected token done |
| 21:41.06 | sjansen | Don't use backticks unless you need sh compatibility. They're ugly and evil. |
| 21:41.22 | graphyx | I am running a command the the () didn't work. |
| 21:41.34 | sjansen | graphyx: you're going to have to give the actual command 'cause what you've got their is obvious invalid |
| 21:41.47 | levi | sjansen: I don't think backticks are particularly ugly. |
| 21:42.21 | sjansen | levi: you haven't seen lots of students get confused by the subtle backwards slant |
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| 21:43.44 | levi | sjansen: I never said they weren't confusing or evil, just that they aren't ugly. |
| 21:43.54 | graphyx | Here is what I am doing: for I in `cat /tmp/list` do cp tmp/$i tmp2 done; |
| 21:44.09 | graphyx | and it throws that same error. |
| 21:45.16 | graphyx | nvm |
| 21:45.19 | sjansen | cat /tmp/list | while read I; do cp "tmp/$I" tmp2; done |
| 21:45.28 | graphyx | I put it on separate lines and it worked. |
| 21:46.22 | hans | graphyx: you were missing a semicolon |
| 21:46.28 | hans | before do |
| 21:46.29 | lars-ut | windows admin freeenode channel? |
| 21:46.36 | graphyx | oh ok. |
| 21:46.36 | graphyx | Thanks. |
| 21:46.45 | graphyx | I guess putting it on separate lines took care of that problem. |
| 21:46.51 | levi | Shell script programming syntax is evil. |
| 21:46.58 | sjansen | graphyx: I'd suggest you train yourself to use my example, it deals with filenames containing spaces |
| 21:47.39 | graphyx | I think you have something about that on your blog, right? |
| 21:47.42 | sjansen | graphyx: If you pasted the actual command you ran then the for I .. $i will be a problem too |
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| 21:50.07 | tensai | anybody looking to start up their own telco? http://tinyurl.com/cq94e |
| 21:50.08 | brac | [Redirect to http://cgi.ebay.com/Complete-Lucent-5ESS-switch_W0QQitemZ5820311082QQcategoryZ71525QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem] |
| 21:51.07 | Jayce^ | kinda defeats the tinyurl |
| 21:51.46 | sjansen | well, it's still nice for people who don't know how to copy-and-paste |
| 21:52.05 | jsmith | The eBay page or feature you are attempting to access is not responding... |
| 21:52.14 | tensai | curious... |
| 21:52.36 | tensai | came right up for me, both directly and via tinyurl |
| 21:53.16 | tensai | anywho, it's a Lucent 5ES tdm switch for the paltry price of $199,999.00 |
| 21:54.11 | tensai | jsmith: just found out today that we'll be putting in a production Asterisk server in the not too distant future |
| 21:54.22 | jsmith | tensai: Beauty, eh! |
| 21:54.55 | jsmith | tensai: (No pictures of the switch, no description of exactly what's included, no details about its condition.... yuck!) |
| 21:55.29 | tensai | jsmith: I thought about emailing to ask what modules it has, but I don't care that much |
| 21:57.23 | levi | I've got a couple of friends that used to work for Lucent. |
| 21:57.30 | levi | They've got lots of interesting stories. |
| 21:58.19 | jsmith | I'll bet. |
| 21:59.43 | tensai | $ sh ip addr |
| 21:59.43 | tensai | ip: /sbin/ip: cannot execute binary file |
| 21:59.55 | tensai | ~lart cisco syntax for corrupting me |
| 22:00.54 | tensai | heh. no wonder I can't get to the box. somebody (me) turned the switch off. |
| 22:13.20 | hans | ~chomsky normal form |
| 22:13.35 | hans | ~chomsky normal form is more fun than a barrel of monkeys |
| 22:13.37 | ibot | okay, hans |
| 22:14.38 | vontrapp | whatever hans |
| 22:15.11 | vontrapp | i'll let you convert all my homework problems about converting to chomsky |
| 22:18.04 | hans | ~teach vontrapp about sarcasm |
| 22:18.42 | vontrapp | ~tell hans there is no teach |
| 22:19.09 | vontrapp | hans, i guess you're an invalid target |
| 22:19.34 | hans | -say ~lart vontrapp |
| 22:19.51 | hans | -say you're sorry |
| 22:20.09 | tensai | ~say -lart hans |
| 22:20.10 | ibot | -lart hans |
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| 22:47.28 | xbmodder_ | hey |
| 22:47.30 | xbmodder_ | sup all? |
| 22:47.43 | xbmodder_ | hey |
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| 23:32.31 | maquis | anyone else having problems with gmail today? |
| 23:33.52 | mheath | Not me |
| 23:34.02 | mheath | I access it via POP and have had no problems |
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| 23:43.51 | Goshen | maquis: did last night |
| 23:45.34 | xbmodder_lappy | sup all? |
