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| 01:10.56 | hans | tensai,levi,jsmith: http://rafb.net/paste/results/hyKSdf32.html |
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| 01:12.36 | emcnabb | greeting from the SLLUG meeting... |
| 01:13.16 | maquis | emcnabb: how is it? it sounded cool |
| 01:15.05 | goozbach | blargfooblarg |
| 01:16.42 | bonez41 | the meetings now, isn't it? |
| 01:19.50 | roscivs | Windows defrag isn't moving files to the beginning of the drive (for qtparted ntfs-resizing purposes) ... |
| 01:19.51 | roscivs | any idea how I can move the stupid files to the beginning of the partition? |
| 01:20.25 | roscivs | The drive looks like this: |
| 01:20.25 | roscivs | [ xxxx | x ] |
| 01:20.39 | roscivs | with the "x" representing files and the "|" representing where I want to split the drive. |
| 01:20.57 | Tene | roscivs: get a different defrag app |
| 01:21.06 | roscivs | Tene: suggestions? |
| 01:21.19 | Tene | nope |
| 01:22.26 | goozbach | ok so for a "open 24 hours sandwich shop/dunkin donuts/baskin robins" this isn't a bad sandwich |
| 01:24.49 | maquis | or... |
| 01:24.51 | maquis | never mind |
| 01:25.03 | maquis | it's opening 10 minutes later |
| 01:25.15 | maquis | v |
| 01:25.16 | maquis | e |
| 01:25.18 | maquis | r |
| 01:25.19 | maquis | y |
| 01:25.23 | maquis | slowly |
| 01:26.33 | goozbach | ok so do I watch doom in the theater?.... |
| 01:29.16 | Newsome | goozbach: you staying right downtown? |
| 01:31.06 | maquis | this is painful |
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| 01:31.54 | maquis | Newsome: it's not supposed to take 15 minutes to load firefox over ssh, is it? |
| 01:32.07 | byronc | roscivs: I used BootItNG (http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootitng.html) to resize an ntfs partition that looked just like that one. |
| 01:32.43 | byronc | roscivs: should be a free trial |
| 01:34.37 | goozbach | maquis: start a vnc session and connect to that |
| 01:34.58 | maquis | goozbach: that'd be great if the cs dept had vncserver |
| 01:36.28 | Newsome | maquis: no idea why it might be slower than usual |
| 01:36.56 | maquis | Newsome: i've been having fun with it... i'll post a screenshot shortly |
| 01:38.01 | Newsome | ah, (!@*. One of the profs is running a test again. |
| 01:38.28 | maquis | Newsome: ??? is he on rabbit? |
| 01:38.50 | Newsome | nope, he's got two of his own machines doing it |
| 01:39.07 | Newsome | tons of ICMP |
| 01:39.09 | maquis | hmm |
| 01:39.12 | maquis | ah |
| 01:39.18 | maquis | well... for interest's sake: |
| 01:39.32 | maquis | http://students.cs.byu.edu/~sharmahd/remoteFF.jpg |
| 01:40.51 | Tene | where's the firefox? |
| 01:40.57 | Tene | I just see a bunch of gaim windows... |
| 01:41.02 | goozbach | Tene: behind |
| 01:41.03 | maquis | Tene: that's the funny part |
| 01:41.07 | goozbach | redrawing issue |
| 01:41.07 | Tene | oh |
| 01:41.09 | maquis | that is the window that is for the ff |
| 01:41.11 | Tene | it's not... yeah |
| 01:41.12 | Tene | 'kay |
| 01:41.14 | maquis | but it won't redraw... |
| 01:41.20 | maquis | it actually never fully drew to begin with |
| 01:41.23 | maquis | and i can't get it to die |
| 01:41.48 | goozbach | http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1443467 |
| 01:41.49 | brac | [Brickshelf Gallery] |
| 01:41.56 | goozbach | my hero ^^^ |
| 01:44.52 | goozbach | ~nslookup mon-cal.friocorte.com |
| 01:45.08 | Tene | ~dance |
| 01:45.09 | ibot | "ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' alive, stayin' alive" |
| 01:45.12 | goozbach | ~lart maquis' dns issues |
| 01:45.46 | maquis | goozbach: i don't know why i have dns issues |
| 01:46.39 | goozbach | any one else having issues resolving mon-cal.friocorte.com ? |
| 01:46.57 | Newsome | nope |
| 01:47.58 | maquis | goozbach: my computer has issues... and i'm just going to have to deal with them until i decide on a distro |
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| 02:29.48 | xbmodder_lappy | sup all? |
| 02:38.36 | roscivs | byronc: you around? |
| 02:39.40 | byronc | roscivs: yep |
| 02:40.00 | roscivs | i downloaded the zip, it appears to be a bunch of windows files ... but there's a .img file ... |
| 02:40.10 | roscivs | any chance I could burn that into a bootable cd and have it magically work? |
| 02:41.48 | xbmodder_lappy | roscivs, ? |
| 02:41.58 | xbmodder_lappy | do you have a bootable kernel? |
| 02:42.07 | roscivs | xbmodder_lappy: trying to resize an ntfs partition |
| 02:42.18 | byronc | roscivs: looks like a bootable floppy |
| 02:42.33 | byronc | roscivs: would probably work fine on a bootable cd |
| 02:42.33 | roscivs | no luck so far (there's some file right in the middle of the drive) |
| 02:42.49 | roscivs | i've tried several different defrag tools to move it but none have managed so far |
| 02:43.06 | roscivs | so byronc suggested a lovely little resize tool so I don't have to use qtparted (which is what i was using before) |
| 02:43.39 | roscivs | byronc: so do I just burn it like an iso i guess? |
| 02:43.49 | byronc | roscivs: umm, no |
| 02:43.58 | roscivs | d'oh |
| 02:44.21 | byronc | roscivs: lemme find the cdrecord options |
| 02:46.16 | roscivs | it seems to mount just fine, just like a bootable iso would |
| 02:46.38 | xbmodder_lappy | roscivs, do you have partition magic? |
| 02:46.51 | roscivs | xbmodder_lappy: No; if I did I wouldn't be having this difficulty :) |
| 02:46.52 | byronc | roscivs: you'll need to generate an iso using mkisofs with the -b option |
| 02:47.47 | roscivs | byronc: cool, I've got a page that's telling me how to do that. i'll give that a shot. |
| 02:47.47 | xbmodder_lappy | roscivs, umm I don't think this should be that hard.... |
| 02:48.04 | xbmodder_lappy | roscivs, resize the parition, the filesystem and then your good to go! |
| 02:48.19 | byronc | roscivs: running this in the directory you unzipped the file to should do it: mkisofs -J -R -o ../bootitng.iso -b DISKIMG3.DAT . |
| 02:48.50 | roscivs | xbmodder_lappy: error found while resizing partition ... disk not defragmented. defrag disk or choose larger partition size. |
| 02:49.28 | roscivs | byronc: ooh, it so didn't like that one. |
| 02:50.01 | byronc | roscivs: what kind of error? |
| 02:50.10 | roscivs | mkisofs: Missing pathspec. |
| 02:50.10 | roscivs | Usage: mkisofs [options] file... |
| 02:50.19 | roscivs | oh |
| 02:50.21 | roscivs | i missed the . |
| 02:50.21 | byronc | roscivs: did you put the '.' on the end? |
| 02:50.25 | roscivs | bingo |
| 02:50.30 | roscivs | now worky :) |
| 02:51.12 | byronc | roscivs: I'm sure there's some way to tell mkisofs not to worry about anything other than the boot image, but I'm not sure how. |
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| 02:51.45 | xbmodder_lappy | roscivs, did you defrag? |
| 02:51.50 | SpecialZ | Anybody know why BYU CS computers boot me off when I ssh in? |
| 02:52.22 | xbmodder_lappy | SpecialZ, maybe they don't want you SSHing in? |
| 02:52.51 | SpecialZ | Anybody who actually knows something? |
| 02:53.03 | xbmodder_lappy | SpecialZ, .... |
| 02:53.23 | spr | Nope |
| 02:53.46 | SpecialZ | spr: can you get into fruit monsters and weapons? |
| 02:54.00 | xbmodder_lappy | roscivs, are you using ntfsresize? |
| 02:54.22 | roscivs | xbmodder_lappy: yes, i was (with the qtparted frontend) |
| 02:54.42 | roscivs | w00tage. we have bootage. |
| 02:54.49 | xbmodder_lappy | roscivs, and a defrag did not solve your problems? |
| 02:55.10 | roscivs | xbmodder_lappy: not windows defrag, nor two other nice-looking defrag programs |
| 02:55.27 | xbmodder_lappy | roscivs, thats odd. |
| 02:55.43 | roscivs | yeah, story of my life :) |
| 02:55.43 | maquis | SpecialZ: Newsome said that my problems were from something that some prof was running |
| 02:56.27 | xbmodder_lappy | roscivs, did you try mv file /ramdisk/file; mv /ramdisk/file file |
| 02:56.34 | xbmodder_lappy | on all the files? |
| 02:56.39 | xbmodder_lappy | roscivs, did you try mv file /ramdisk/file; sync; mv /ramdisk/file file |
| 02:57.20 | roscivs | xbmodder_lappy: huh? |
| 02:58.13 | SpecialZ | grrrr. . .. . |
| 03:00.47 | roscivs | byron, you're a genius. |
| 03:00.58 | roscivs | worked beautifully. |
| 03:01.08 | roscivs | buwahahaha. |
| 03:04.46 | xbmodder_lappy | lol. |
| 03:04.56 | byronc | roscivs: glad it worked :) |
| 03:05.07 | roscivs | byronc: Me too :) Thanks a brazilian. |
| 03:05.27 | byronc | xbmodder_lappy: the same thing happened to me on a factory install of XP on a thinkpad |
| 03:05.59 | maquis | roscivs: :) |
| 03:06.43 | SpecialZ | ~rlart |
| 03:06.50 | maquis | haha |
| 03:07.03 | maquis | i didn't know ibot included himself when doing rlart :) |
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| 03:08.56 | jsmith | bzob_! |
| 03:12.19 | xbmodder_lappy | byronc, I rm -rf windows |
| 03:12.27 | xbmodder_lappy | that'd be an insane shirt |
| 03:12.43 | xbmodder_lappy | #~say - |
| 03:12.45 | xbmodder_lappy | -help |
| 03:12.46 | brac | help topics: core, auth, keywords [30 plugins: 8ball, autoop, autorejoin, cal, dice, dns, excuse, fortune, freshmeat, host, insult|msginsult, karmastats|karma, lart, math, nickserv, opme, quotes, remind, roshambo, rot13, roulette, rps, search, seen, slashdot, spell, translate, urls, weather, wserver] (help <topic> for more info) |
| 03:12.57 | xbmodder_lappy | |help |
| 03:13.28 | xbmodder_lappy | ~translart |
| 03:13.31 | xbmodder_lappy | ~translate |
| 03:13.43 | xbmodder_lappy | ~translate de en ~help |
| 03:13.54 | xbmodder_lappy | -translate de en ~ |
| 03:13.55 | brac | ~ |
| 03:14.27 | xbmodder_lappy | -translate de en ~say -lart |
| 03:14.28 | brac | ~say lart |
| 03:14.29 | ibot | lart |
| 03:14.41 | xbmodder_lappy | -translate de en ~say ~lart |
| 03:14.43 | brac | ~say ~lart |
| 03:14.44 | ibot | ~lart |
| 03:14.58 | xbmodder_lappy | -translate de en ~say ~lart maquis |
| 03:14.59 | brac | ~say ~lart maquis |
| 03:15.01 | ibot | ~lart maquis |
| 03:15.19 | xbmodder_lappy | -translate de en ~say \-lart maquis |
| 03:15.20 | brac | ~say \-lart maquis |
| 03:15.22 | ibot | \-lart maquis |
| 03:15.29 | xbmodder_lappy | -translate de en ~say -lart maquis |
| 03:15.30 | brac | ~say lart maquis |
| 03:15.32 | ibot | lart maquis |
| 03:15.40 | xbmodder_lappy | -translate de en ~say ~say maquis |
| 03:15.41 | brac | ~say ~say maquis |
| 03:15.42 | ibot | ~say maquis |
| 03:15.57 | xbmodder_lappy | why is ibot so stupid |
| 03:16.00 | xbmodder_lappy | ~help |
| 03:16.09 | xbmodder_lappy | |help |
| 03:16.26 | xbmodder_lappy | ~hex |
| 03:16.31 | xbmodder_lappy | ~hex ~sleep |
| 03:16.31 | ibot | ~sleep is 7E 73 6C 65 65 70 |
| 03:16.38 | xbmodder_lappy | hmm... |
| 03:16.51 | xbmodder_lappy | ~help dns |
| 03:17.05 | maquis | http://students.cs.byu.edu/~sharmahd/foo.html |
| 03:17.25 | SpecialZ | maquis: permissions are wrong |
| 03:17.30 | SpecialZ | try 644 |
| 03:17.47 | maquis | http://students.cs.byu.edu/~sharmahd/foo.html |
| 03:17.47 | brac | [ |
| 03:17.47 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.47 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.54 | maquis | doh |
| 03:18.13 | maquis | http://students.cs.byu.edu/~sharmahd/foo.html |
| 03:18.14 | brac | [ |
| 03:18.14 | brac | ~lart xbmodder |
| 03:18.14 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.49 | hans | jsmith: i wrote a ruby domain-specific language for asterisk |
| 03:25.28 | xbmodder_lappy | lol. |
| 03:25.35 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, good job. |
| 03:25.43 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: tensai did that to me |
| 03:26.22 | hans | jsmith: http://hans.fugal.net/src/radp-1.0rc2.tar.gz |
| 03:27.31 | hans | jsmith: see also http://rafb.net/paste/results/i6IqWh69.html for an example input |
| 03:34.13 | RyanE_ | hans: that's kind of cool, even though I haven't really gotten into the Ruby (or the Asterisk) yet... |
| 03:36.17 | hans | %q{866 877 888 800}.each {|x| ext("_1#{x}NXXXXXX"){ Dial("ZAP/1/#{EXT}") }} |
| 03:36.21 | hans | that just makes me happy all over |
| 03:36.38 | hans | it was amazingly easy to do in ruby. only one screenful of code! |
| 03:37.34 | jsmith | Looks sweet! |
| 03:39.01 | RyanE_ | so hans, the DSL just gets translated into a regular dialplan, right? |
| 03:39.11 | RyanE_ | it just lets you express the dialplan in a rubyesque syntax? |
| 03:43.39 | maquis | ~invoke levi |
| 03:44.44 | *** join/#utah tensai (n=tensai@herbert.zmonkey.org) |
| 03:45.32 | maquis | no. no. no! |
| 03:45.36 | maquis | i invoked levi, not tensai |
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| 03:46.48 | maquis | much better |
| 03:46.56 | maquis | levi: sup? |
| 03:46.58 | maquis | thanks for coming |
| 03:46.58 | goozbach | hey, wait a second... |
| 03:47.05 | maquis | the invokers sent tensai the first time |
| 03:47.24 | levi | maquis: Heya. |
| 03:47.25 | goozbach | levi: you're ears burning? |
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| 03:51.39 | levi | goozbach: I just have impeccable timing. |
| 03:59.19 | amcnabb | If you want to get to the top, prepare to kiss a lot of the bottom. |
| 03:59.23 | amcnabb | I love despair.com |
| 04:00.56 | hans | RyanE: yes |
| 04:01.04 | hans | levi, tensai you missed the link |
| 04:01.05 | hans | ~urls |
| 04:01.10 | hans | -urls |
| 04:01.11 | brac | [2005/10/19 21:27:32] <hans> http://rafb.net/paste/results/i6IqWh69.html |
| 04:01.11 | brac | [2005/10/19 21:26:22] <hans> http://hans.fugal.net/src/radp-1.0rc2.tar.gz |
| 04:01.11 | brac | [2005/10/19 21:17:06] <maquis> http://students.cs.byu.edu/~sharmahd/foo.html |
| 04:01.11 | brac | [2005/10/19 19:41:49] <goozbach> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1443467 |
| 04:02.13 | levi | hans: Which one? |
| 04:02.30 | hans | the top one for a taste, and the tarball for a meal |
| 04:03.06 | goozbach | hans: is that url list a ring buffer? |
| 04:03.29 | hans | goozbach: no, I don't think so |
| 04:03.32 | goozbach | or is that just the last entrys of a real log |
| 04:03.55 | goozbach | it'd be cool to export that info to a webpage and rss feed |
| 04:03.57 | hans | the last few urls. he keeps track of n urls, and you can see the most recent m (4 by default) |
| 04:04.08 | hans | hmm, that would be cool |
| 04:04.25 | hans | too bad I used all my playtime today doing ruby metaprogramming. :) |
| 04:05.04 | maquis | mheath: what computers do you not know what to do with? |
| 04:05.28 | mheath | I have two Dell Optiplex GX1 computers (Pentium 1s), a Penitum3, an AMD Athlon, and a Sun Ultra Enterprise 1 |
| 04:05.50 | maquis | specs on athlon? |
| 04:05.57 | tensai | hans: so does that actually work, or is that a prototype? |
| 04:06.12 | mheath | I have the mainboard, processor, and RAM for a dual processor Pentium II, but no case (which it needs, really..) |
| 04:06.19 | mheath | maquis: one sec. Its only around 700mhz or so. |
| 04:06.53 | maquis | hmm |
| 04:06.54 | levi | hans: Did you write that? |
| 04:07.50 | mheath | I was thinking about setting up a cluster |
| 04:08.05 | mheath | but can't find a cluster-enabled OS that supports all my hardware that I like |
| 04:08.19 | mheath | and I'm worried about power requirements |
| 04:08.48 | levi | mheath: Linux does clusters all right. |
| 04:09.50 | mheath | levi: meh, linux doesn't do that great of a job |
| 04:10.09 | mheath | I was thinking of running Amoeba, but it only supports NIC cards up to what I have in the Pentium I's |
| 04:10.14 | mheath | all the rest of my NICs are too new for it |
| 04:10.30 | levi | mheath: It does just fine. |
| 04:10.58 | mheath | It does do nearly as well as Amoeba, though. |
| 04:11.01 | levi | mheath: It's good enough for the national labs, aerospace companies, bioinformatics companies.... |
| 04:11.12 | mheath | I dunno..... |
| 04:11.13 | levi | mheath: It does it better, because it works on modern hardware. |
| 04:11.22 | levi | mheath: Dude, I work for a cluster company. |
| 04:11.32 | roscivs | Hey, does anyone have experience with retractable mouses? |
| 04:11.40 | tensai | levi: yes, but they're pragmatic. they want to get stuff done. amoeba is for those theoretical types. |
| 04:11.43 | roscivs | Retractable *cluster* mouses? |
| 04:11.49 | roscivs | (Just kidding about the cluster part.) |
| 04:12.09 | mheath | levi: how will my Sparc work in an x86 linux cluster? |
| 04:12.11 | levi | roscivs: I think the're a cool idea. |
| 04:12.22 | roscivs | levi: Ever tried one? |
| 04:12.31 | roscivs | I need a little laptop mouse for my new laptop |
| 04:12.34 | levi | roscivs: Nope, sorry. I just use my trackpad on the laptop. |
| 04:12.38 | roscivs | but nobody I know has had a retractable one. |
| 04:12.39 | mheath | In amoeba, if I put a Sparc in, I can then run compiled-for-Sparc programs from any computer in the cluster |
| 04:12.53 | mheath | Can I do similar things in the Linux cluster? |
| 04:12.55 | roscivs | It looks like just what I want (an adjustable-size cord) but I'm wondering if they are teh suck for some reason. |
| 04:13.01 | mheath | Or would the Sparc be pretty much useless in the Linux cluster? |
| 04:13.20 | levi | mheath: Depends on how you've programmed your apps. |
| 04:13.40 | roscivs | Who has a Linux cluster with a sparc machine in the corner anyway? |
| 04:13.49 | levi | roscivs: Just mheath, I'm sure. |
| 04:13.57 | levi | Certainly no one buys them that way. |
| 04:13.58 | roscivs | hehe. |
| 04:14.18 | roscivs | Now my brain is thinking about clusters of optical mice. |
| 04:14.25 | roscivs | Weird brain. |
| 04:14.29 | maquis | roscivs: can i have one of them? |
| 04:14.33 | mheath | levi: I dunno about that. Maybe not on the scale I'm doing it (several x86s and one sparc), but Sparc's used to (are?) be really popular for clusters |
| 04:14.36 | roscivs | A brain? |
| 04:14.39 | mheath | and x86's are increasingly popular for clusters |
| 04:14.39 | roscivs | Or a cluster of optical mice? |
| 04:14.46 | mheath | it would make sense for people to want to combine the two |
| 04:15.00 | maquis | roscivs: one of the mice from your cluster |
| 04:15.25 | levi | mheath: Sparc is getting pretty marginalized these days. |
| 04:15.27 | roscivs | mheath: I can't imagine anyone who was doing "serious" clustering worrying about attaching several-year-old sparcs to their brand-new-x86 linux cluster. |
| 04:15.56 | roscivs | maquis: I think I have an extra PS2 mouse somewhere ... it's not optical though. |
| 04:16.09 | maquis | roscivs: i'm looking for something that'll play nicely with osiris |
| 04:16.11 | roscivs | My cluster of miniature optical mice was merely hypothetical. |
| 04:16.18 | mheath | roscivs: I know of a inter-university cluster network compromised of thousands of processors that does just that. |
| 04:16.41 | maquis | that means usb or bluetooth (maybe... not sure how well it'd be supported) |
| 04:16.49 | maquis | and preferably small and optical |
| 04:16.51 | roscivs | What the heck is Osiris? |
| 04:17.00 | tensai | another doomed soul |
| 04:17.00 | roscivs | Is that that new unixy thing you installed? |
| 04:17.00 | maquis | or a small trackball |
| 04:17.15 | maquis | roscivs: osiris is my thinkpad |
| 04:17.23 | roscivs | (I mean apart from the god of the underworld, tensai) |
| 04:17.36 | roscivs | oh, right. i remember now. |
| 04:17.42 | tensai | roscivs: I meant maquis' computer. she's got the touch of death. |
| 04:17.47 | roscivs | lol. i see. |
| 04:17.52 | roscivs | fitting name then. |
| 04:17.56 | maquis | roscivs: osiris, sekhmet and anubis |
| 04:18.14 | SpecialZ | bluetooth mice are expensive |
| 04:18.16 | tensai | doomed, doomed, doomed |
| 04:18.41 | maquis | tensai: yup |
| 04:18.52 | roscivs | Well I think I'll probably pick up one of these "ultra mini" Targus retractable optical mice tomorrow |
| 04:19.02 | roscivs | they're wired and usb. |
| 04:19.15 | roscivs | If it works beautifully I'll let you know. |
| 04:19.18 | RyanE | roscivs: You can get a wireless USB mouse for $29 at Costco. |
| 04:19.30 | RyanE | it's (gasp!) a Microsoft mouse, but it works fine in Linux, too. |
| 04:19.44 | roscivs | RyanE: I'm just not really interested in a wireless mouse. |
| 04:20.05 | roscivs | The only time I'll ever be using this mouse is within about six to ten inches of the USB port on my laptop. |
| 04:20.05 | RyanE | I use it instead of my wired mouse at work. |
| 04:20.20 | RyanE | yeah, me too. |
| 04:20.25 | roscivs | I have a wireless "normal" mouse at home and at work anyway. |
| 04:20.36 | roscivs | This is for laptoppish purposes only. |
| 04:21.18 | RyanE | roscivs: how much are the retractable ones? |
| 04:21.40 | roscivs | The one I'm looking at is $19 from local stores |
| 04:21.46 | RyanE | I would've liked the bluetooth, as my laptop has it built-in, but they were too much. |
| 04:21.50 | roscivs | you can get cheaper ones |
| 04:21.55 | RyanE | not bad. |
| 04:21.59 | roscivs | but this one seems very easy-to-find. |
| 04:22.00 | xbmodder_lappy | -translate de en ~say ~lart |
| 04:22.01 | brac | ~say ~lart |
| 04:22.02 | ibot | ~lart |
| 04:22.18 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, sharmahd? What is that? |
| 04:24.47 | goozbach | it's a gamer handle |
| 04:25.10 | goozbach | a play on shaman |
| 04:25.20 | goozbach | duh |
| 04:26.54 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, I was pretty sure otherwise. |
| 04:27.43 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, but sure ;-) |
| 04:29.07 | xbmodder_lappy | is maquis president of the UUG? |
| 04:30.48 | xbmodder_lappy | Why doesn't anyone install gentoo at installfests |
| 04:31.06 | RyanE | only 24 hours in a day, xbmodder_lappy. |
| 04:31.21 | roscivs | even with 20 minute installs some people are there for 6+ hours |
| 04:31.29 | RyanE | also, it takes longer to set things up, even if you don't do a full precompiled install. |
| 04:31.46 | RyanE | s/don't// |
| 04:34.26 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE, I gotta do a Giant gentoo Installfest one day. |
| 04:34.34 | xbmodder_lappy | my supercomputer |
| 04:34.36 | xbmodder_lappy | will |
| 04:34.42 | xbmodder_lappy | be added to the compile farm |
| 04:34.45 | xbmodder_lappy | DISTCC. |
| 04:34.52 | RyanE | hehe |
| 04:35.14 | RyanE | good idea. Maybe a nice 10-supercomputer DISTCC cluster. |
| 04:35.41 | goozbach | all running sparc :) |
| 04:35.48 | xbmodder_lappy | GRGAQR! |
| 04:35.49 | RyanE | xbmodder_lappy: however, that will NOT help with the configuration issues in Gentoo. |
| 04:35.55 | RyanE | i.e. the manual setup issues. |
| 04:35.59 | xbmodder_lappy | what configuration issues? |
| 04:36.29 | xbmodder_lappy | is emcnabb still a gentoo-ian? |
| 04:36.31 | RyanE | well, even when you install the precompiled packages, there's still a lot of configuration that some of the other distros do for you. |
| 04:36.42 | RyanE | i.e. hardware detection / setup, network setup, etc. |
| 04:36.56 | RyanE | X setup |
| 04:37.31 | RyanE | at least that's been my experience with it. |
| 04:40.04 | RyanE | don't get me wrong, the dependency-resolution in gentoo is still awesome, and the community forums in Gentoo rock, but I think the other distros are catching up with it's dependency handling, and by default setup the machine and it's specific hardware quicker. |
| 05:02.29 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE, I personally had a harder time installing Fedora, and Debian than gentoo |
| 05:04.13 | RyanE | I have installed Gentoo on a laptop, it was hard work. Fedora Core 4 on this laptop, easy. Of course, I'm sure Gentoo has come a long way in 4 years as well. |
| 05:05.29 | RyanE | I think *if* you have problems, Gentoo is easier because of the great community, but if you have fairly standard hardware, I think FC4 finds it and configures it easier. I'm in no way down on Gentoo, but I didn't have time to set it up on this machine, and I found that I haven't missed it as much as I thought I was going to. |
| 05:06.00 | xbmodder_lappy | when I started with gentoo i couldn't install perl. |
| 05:06.08 | xbmodder_lappy | now I get perl updates daily. |
| 05:06.16 | RyanE | but again, these are just my *OPINIONS*. If I were mheath, I'd prefer to make my *OWN* distro, daily, and install *that*. :) |
| 05:10.20 | mheath | What are you talking about? |
| 05:10.32 | mheath | I've only ever had two projects like that |
| 05:10.53 | mheath | I assume one you're counting is what I was talking about last night; I finished that up earlier this afternoon |
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| 05:11.09 | mheath | And my actual desktop distro project, DeskOS, is in ongoing development. |
| 05:11.48 | mheath | If you'd listen, you would have heard what I said multiple times: that I was just putting together a system using some of Slackwares package building scripts, for GNU |
| 05:11.49 | Linoobux | this is a weird question, but has anybody used provray for linux here? |
| 05:11.56 | levi | mheath: What he's talking about is a literary device known as 'hyperbole' |
| 05:12.29 | levi | mheath: Well, not precicely what he's talking about, rather what he's talking /with/. |
| 05:14.43 | levi | Linoobux: I think I ran it once or twice years and years ago. |
| 05:15.27 | Linoobux | I used to run it on windows all the time, but I just got it for linux and I'm having some troubles... but thanks anyway, levi |
| 05:15.55 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE, heh. |
| 05:17.05 | tensai | same here. used it years ago, haven't touched it since. |
| 05:17.18 | RyanE | mheath: I'm only giving you a hard time because every time you say *anything* in here, it's about a distro you are either making or want to make. |
| 05:19.06 | levi | RyanE: Not true! Sometimes he talks about tablet PCs he's going to make. Other times he talks about amoeba and clusters. Still other times, it's silly things like how OOP makes programmers dumb or lazy or something. |
| 05:20.37 | levi | The only really objectionable topic there is the OOP one, though the others do occasionally get old. |
| 05:26.26 | xbmodder_lappy | umm he talks about GNU HURD? |
| 05:28.29 | xbmodder_lappy | ~seen spr |
| 05:28.31 | ibot | spr <n=spr@c-24-10-236-93.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2h 35m 8s ago, saying: 'Nope'. |
| 05:28.47 | xbmodder_lappy | how old is amcnabb? |
| 05:30.05 | tensai | levi: I tried out the arborio rice. http://www.zmonkey.org/blog/node/55 |
| 05:30.10 | brac | [Tomato and Onion Risotto | zmonkey.org] |
| 05:30.33 | xbmodder_lappy | Tene, sounds tasy |
| 05:30.34 | xbmodder_lappy | tasty |
| 05:30.56 | levi | tensai: How'd you like the Arborio rice? |
| 05:31.01 | xbmodder_lappy | how'd you guys do elections for the UUG |
| 05:31.22 | tensai | meh. didn't notice much difference between it and the long grain. not worth the price to me. |
| 05:31.34 | xbmodder_lappy | ~say please un-ignore xbmodder |
| 05:31.36 | ibot | please un-ignore xbmodder |
| 05:32.01 | tensai | but you've convinced me to try out jasmine and barmati (?) rice |
| 05:32.02 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, where is the deskOS site? |
| 05:32.27 | xbmodder_lappy | ~spell barmati |
| 05:32.34 | xbmodder_lappy | basmathi? |
| 05:32.41 | levi | tensai: basmati |
| 05:32.55 | tensai | levi: yeah, that's the one |
| 05:32.56 | levi | Jasmine rice smells /sooooooo/ good. |
| 05:33.03 | xbmodder_lappy | sure.... |
| 05:33.20 | levi | I have Thai food a lot more often than Indian, so I don't recall the Basmati fragrance. |
| 05:33.45 | xbmodder_lappy | it smells like rice. |
| 05:34.31 | tensai | do you cook it the same? |
| 05:34.48 | tensai | I suppose the bag should say |
| 05:35.04 | xbmodder_lappy | you put it in |
| 05:36.24 | levi | tensai: I usually make Jasmine rice with the rice maker. |
| 05:41.52 | tensai | neither of my rice makers has lasted more than 3 months. such a shame. |
| 05:44.23 | levi | Well, the bag/box should have instructions, but I think it's like regular rice. |
| 05:46.31 | xbmodder_lappy | I have alotta images |
| 05:47.29 | xbmodder_lappy | 1502 in one directory |
| 05:47.45 | xbmodder_lappy | 3298 total |
| 05:48.03 | xbmodder_lappy | wow. |
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| 05:49.15 | xbmodder_lappy | bigdog_ut, hey |
| 05:49.43 | bigdog_ut | whatz up |
| 05:50.00 | xbmodder_lappy | http://xbmodder.us/root/mnt/bkup/pictures/stuff/img_0651.jpg thats cool. |
| 05:51.35 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 05:54.01 | levi | tensai: Some green onions would look really good in that risotto. And some grated parmesan would probably go well with it, too. Looks yummy as-is, though! |
| 05:55.45 | RyanE | xbmodder_lappy: I have nearly 20k images. |
| 05:56.34 | RyanE | need to put descriptions / names on more of them, but I fear I'll never catch up. :) |
| 05:57.59 | xbmodder_lappy | 8994+229 |
| 05:58.03 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 05:58.35 | maquis | tensai: that looks tasty |
| 05:58.59 | maquis | tensai: how many pots/pans do you have? |
| 05:59.45 | tensai | maquis: 10-15. can't say I've ever counted. |
| 06:00.17 | maquis | tensai: you're using more in this recipe than i have |
| 06:00.38 | maquis | is there a way to combine ? |
| 06:01.18 | levi | maquis: You need a way to keep the stock hot. |
| 06:01.52 | maquis | levi: i'm guessing that means i'd have to borrow someone else's pot? |
| 06:02.11 | xbmodder_lappy | 8994+229+8572 |
| 06:02.15 | maquis | mmmm |
| 06:02.19 | maquis | pigs in a blanket |
| 06:02.24 | xbmodder_lappy | sh: print 8994+229+8572: command not found |
| 06:02.30 | xbmodder_lappy | 17795 |
| 06:03.01 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.01 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.01 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.01 | xbmodder_lappy | SyntaxError: invalid syntax |
| 06:03.04 | levi | maquis: Probably. |
| 06:03.05 | xbmodder_lappy | I have 17795 images |
| 06:04.21 | tensai | maquis: you could microwave the stock. do you have anything else that could hold 4 cups of liquid? |
| 06:04.49 | RyanE | xbmodder_lappy: yep, that's a lot. :) That's about how many I'd have if the last family vacation everyone didn't give me copies from their digital cameras. 1800 pictures in 2 weeks... wow |
| 06:04.55 | tensai | maquis: anything at all? maybe a backpack? |
| 06:05.08 | maquis | tensai: i have some pyrex bowls |
| 06:05.13 | maquis | they work well in microwave |
| 06:05.22 | maquis | that's what i usually use to make soup |
| 06:05.29 | tensai | maquis: that'd be fine. that's actually what I did the first time around. |
| 06:05.44 | maquis | (it's too much of a pain to pull out the pot and actually make soup on the stove) |
| 06:08.31 | RyanE | xbmodder_lappy: where is that picture at? in CA? |
| 06:13.03 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE, back of my house. |
| 06:13.33 | RyanE | yeah, I got that. I meant what *city* or *area*... |
| 06:13.34 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE, I have 1k pictures of one person... |
| 06:13.43 | RyanE | a bit obsessive, are we? |
| 06:13.59 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE, heh... |
| 06:14.00 | levi | maquis: Risotto actually takes a good bit of time and some coordination to get everything done at the right time. |
| 06:14.05 | RyanE | I probably have more than 1k of pictures of the kids, but that doesn't really count. |
| 06:15.14 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE, pleasanton, ca |
| 06:15.29 | xbmodder_lappy | bay area |
| 06:15.40 | RyanE | I believe one of my mission companions was from there. |
| 06:15.46 | RyanE | Russ Hulme. |
| 06:16.17 | xbmodder_lappy | LDS you are? |
| 06:16.25 | RyanE | yep. |
| 06:16.34 | xbmodder_lappy | ok don't know him... |
| 06:16.52 | RyanE | probably a big place, but sometimes it's a small world. |
| 06:19.41 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE, yeah.. |
| 06:19.47 | xbmodder_lappy | its odd when that happens. |
| 06:19.59 | RyanE | I'm sure I'll have 1000 pictures of this one soon: http://www.ericksonfamily.com/gallery/HotSprings2005/Picture_019 |
| 06:20.00 | brac | [Erickson Photos :: HotSprings2005 :: Picture_019] |
| 06:20.41 | RyanE | oops. wrong picture. :) Looking at one, had other in paste buffer... this one: http://www.ericksonfamily.com/gallery/September/IMG_8217 |
| 06:20.42 | brac | [Erickson Photos :: September :: IMG_8217] |
| 06:21.37 | xbmodder_lappy | especially on IRC |
| 06:22.09 | xbmodder_lappy | is ericksonfamily.com hosted on your personal server? |
| 06:22.21 | RyanE | but it does happen a lot. After a PLUG meeting about 1 1/2 years ago, 6-7 of us were standing around and talking, and realiced that we'd all gone to Brasil on our missions.. |
| 06:22.24 | RyanE | Yes |
| 06:22.26 | RyanE | DSL |
| 06:22.30 | RyanE | Xmission |
| 06:22.47 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
| 06:23.06 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE, I know alotta people who do go to brazil. |
| 06:23.30 | xbmodder_lappy | for their missions. |
| 06:23.39 | xbmodder_lappy | that picture is cool. |
| 06:23.51 | RyanE | which one? |
| 06:23.54 | xbmodder_lappy | http://www.ericksonfamily.com/gallery/September/IMG_8217 |
| 06:23.56 | brac | [Erickson Photos :: September :: IMG_8217] |
| 06:24.06 | xbmodder_lappy | Though start the linux brainwashing quickly. |
| 06:24.18 | RyanE | yeah, John is a cutie pie. Likes cars. |
| 06:24.38 | xbmodder_lappy | Oh, sorry I am probably killing your internet. |
| 06:24.41 | xbmodder_lappy | Do you mind? |
| 06:24.43 | RyanE | no biggie |
| 06:24.58 | RyanE | Xmission gives 100G transfer / month, and it's not metered from midnight to 7AM |
| 06:25.03 | RyanE | I never come anywhere close |
| 06:25.21 | xbmodder_lappy | wow. |
| 06:25.25 | xbmodder_lappy | you guys get metered? |
| 06:25.54 | RyanE | Xmission will charge you for overages, but they keep the cap high enough to for most purposes call it 'unlimited'. |
| 06:26.01 | RyanE | they just don't want people abusing it. |
| 06:26.12 | xbmodder_lappy | are your kids getting name@ericksonfamily.com e-mail addresses? |
| 06:26.19 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE, I like speakeasy |
| 06:26.23 | RyanE | I don't mind, as I think it's better that they tell you up front. |
| 06:26.33 | xbmodder_lappy | they "limit" it to 500TB |
| 06:26.54 | RyanE | one of my kids has ef.com email. Of course, it sends a copy of everything he receives to me (and he knows this) currently. |
| 06:27.31 | RyanE | and he dual-boots my wife's machine into Linux. |
| 06:27.37 | xbmodder_lappy | Sweet. |
| 06:27.46 | RyanE | of course, mostly to play games. :) |
| 06:27.47 | xbmodder_lappy | how old is he? |
| 06:27.51 | RyanE | 11 |
| 06:27.58 | xbmodder_lappy | sweet. |
| 06:28.05 | xbmodder_lappy | is he slackware_kid? |
| 06:28.14 | RyanE | naw, not on IRC |
| 06:28.27 | RyanE | too busy getting his homework done |
| 06:28.31 | xbmodder_lappy | when are you gunna get him on IRC? |
| 06:28.48 | RyanE | that's about the *last* think I think an 11-yo needs. |
| 06:29.00 | maquis | RyanE: good... we have too many teenagers around anyways |
| 06:29.03 | RyanE | hehe |
| 06:29.19 | RyanE | maquis: and WAAAY to many of us who *act* like teenagers. |
| 06:29.59 | maquis | yeah... particularly when we'er tired, cranky and in a bad mood |
| 06:30.08 | maquis | -roulette |
| 06:30.08 | brac | maquis: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 06:33.22 | xbmodder_lappy | 2... |
| 06:33.44 | xbmodder_lappy | 2 teens. |
| 06:34.36 | xbmodder_lappy | but I got on IRC at 11 |
| 06:34.43 | xbmodder_lappy | and I am normal and stuff.. |
| 06:34.45 | xbmodder_lappy | or kinda. |
| 06:35.12 | levi | I rue the day... |
| 06:35.42 | RyanE | levi: which day? |
| 06:35.58 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE, how much did your home automation system cost? |
| 06:36.06 | levi | RyanE: That the 11 year old xbmodder_lappy found IRC. |
| 06:36.53 | maquis | anyone know what protistans are (in biology...) |
| 06:37.11 | maquis | preferably someone who wouldn't mind writing a 1-page paper tonight on them |
| 06:37.27 | levi | Teenagers should go play on MUDs or something instead of IRC. |
| 06:37.46 | levi | maquis: Heh, I wonder if I still have my 1 page papers from Biology around. |
| 06:38.02 | RyanE | xbmodder_lappy: I didn't have to pay for much of it, as I was working at Phast at the time. |
| 06:38.05 | xbmodder_lappy | IRC is fun though. |
| 06:38.14 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
| 06:38.23 | xbmodder_lappy | ~define protistans |
| 06:38.41 | RyanE | but the stuff I did buy was too much. |
| 06:38.54 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: MUDs are more fun. Trust me. |
| 06:40.24 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, MUDs are hard. |
| 06:40.45 | RyanE | MUDs are hard? |
| 06:40.46 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: Hard? What kind of a weenie are you, anyway? |
| 06:40.52 | RyanE | I don't remember them as being hard. |
| 06:41.02 | levi | Kids these days. :P |
| 06:41.17 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, they are hard. |
| 06:41.36 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, especially when the wizard gets paid to make the dungeon. |
| 06:41.56 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: If they are hard, either you suck or you picked the wrong one. |
| 06:45.23 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, its mainly people in their 20s and 30s |
| 06:45.25 | xbmodder_lappy | Does anyone here know how to do this: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS7186776945.html |
| 06:45.26 | brac | [Linux hacked onto $20 wireless 802.11b/g router] |
| 06:46.13 | xbmodder_lappy | we get it brac ! |
| 06:51.27 | RyanE | g |
| 06:51.29 | RyanE | 'night |
| 06:57.01 | levi | G'night. |
| 06:58.33 | xbmodder_lappy | night |
| 06:59.58 | goozbach | now THAT! is a good show |
| 07:00.05 | goozbach | I should be in bed |
| 07:00.24 | goozbach | but I have an unhealthy obsession with Don Johnson |
| 07:00.35 | goozbach | nash bridges++ |
| 11:02.55 | SpecialZ | ~rlart |
| 13:18.26 | goozbach | ~rlart |
| 13:22.43 | graphyx | ~rlart |
| 14:01.36 | xbmodder_lappy | morning |
| 14:09.31 | graphyx | ~rlart xbmodder_lappy |
| 14:09.49 | graphyx | ~rlart |
| 14:11.18 | goozbach | ~rlart |
| 14:11.29 | goozbach | and on that note I'm off to start class |
| 14:12.07 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, what class are you teaching? |
| 14:12.18 | xbmodder_lappy | ibot, do you not like underscores? |
| 14:12.19 | ibot | yes, I not like underscores. |
| 14:13.05 | xbmodder_lappy | http://xbmodder.us/root/mnt/bkup/pictures/pict0839.jpg |
| 14:13.25 | xbmodder_lappy | http://xbmodder.us/root/mnt/bkup/pictures/pict0838.jpg |
| 14:13.26 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
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| 14:40.56 | tensai | ~lart qwest |
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| 14:46.22 | Jayce^ | ~lart harleypig |
| 14:47.01 | ScytheBlade1 | wow @ xbmodder |
| 14:47.36 | ScytheBlade1 | That's horribly unsecure |
| 14:49.29 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.xbmodder.us/root/mnt/music/ |
| 14:49.36 | brac | [Index of /music] |
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| 15:09.47 | goozbach | xbmodder: I'm teaching a RH133 |
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| 15:45.54 | hans | -spell accostumed |
| 15:45.55 | brac | accostumed: Ac costumed, Ac-costumed |
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| 16:09.01 | hans | jsmith: where should I announce radp for asterisk types? |
| 16:13.24 | jsmith | hans: Put a link on the wiki somewhere, and then announce it on the asterisk-dev list |
| 16:14.05 | hans | not -users? |
| 16:14.49 | jsmith | hans: The signal-to-noise ratio on -users is so low that you may not get any reaction to it. Then again, you might... |
| 16:14.57 | jsmith | hans: Whatever you do, don't cross-post it :-) |
| 16:15.32 | hans | do I have to be a member to post? |
| 16:15.57 | hans | what about -announce? |
| 16:17.46 | jsmith | Don't bother with -announce |
| 16:17.57 | jsmith | And yes, you need to be a member to post. |
| 16:18.28 | jsmith | (You'd like -dev anyway -- it's only a few emails a day, and has a high signal-to-noise ratio) |
| 16:18.40 | levi_ | hans: So, how did you end up doing it? |
| 16:19.30 | hans | well I swallowed the "no dynamic" pill and then thanks to the presentation from rubyconf 2005 (linked to by jacob yesterday) making a DSL in ruby was exceptionally easy |
| 16:20.23 | hans | levi_: I also think lisp would be a good fit for dialplans |
| 16:20.34 | hans | maybe I'll inspire a lisp-head to do that too. :) |
| 16:21.30 | levi | Gah, had to kick someone camping on my nick. |
| 16:22.10 | levi | hans: I've got a cool video that shows an example of how you'd create a Common Lisp DSL for Martin Fowler's example in his article. |
| 16:22.47 | hans | levi: I think I have it. haven't watched it though |
| 16:23.26 | levi | hans: I just watched it again last night. It's pretty impressive, and gives a good feel for how working in Lisp feels. |
| 16:26.20 | levi | For anyone else who's interested, here's a link that has a link to a torrent and a couple of mirrors: http://bc.tech.coop/blog/050711.html |
| 16:26.22 | brac | [Bill Clementson's Blog] |
| 16:30.55 | Newsome | http://www.tuxrocks.com/tmp/z.html |
| 16:31.04 | brac | [~lart http://www.tuxrocks.com/tmp/z.html] |
| 16:31.18 | Newsome | http://www.tuxrocks.com/tmp/z.html |
| 16:31.19 | brac | [ |
| 16:31.19 | brac | ~lart http://www.tuxrocks.com/tmp/z.html |
| 16:31.19 | brac | ] |
| 16:31.21 | brac | [ |
| 16:31.24 | brac | ] |
| 16:31.30 | Newsome | HAHAHA! |
| 16:32.13 | Newsome | doh. they stopped :( |
| 16:32.30 | tensai | Newsome: ibot has a throttle |
| 16:32.53 | Newsome | darn :) |
| 16:33.00 | ScytheBlade1 | no kidding |
| 16:33.36 | tensai | and just for the record, I added thought of it first. :P |
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| 16:58.47 | tensai | ~squish hans |
| 16:58.49 | ibot | ACTION squishes hans like a bug |
| 16:59.41 | hans | ~cook tensai |
| 16:59.43 | ibot | ACTION throws tensai in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks tensai on 350 for an hour |
| 17:05.41 | mheath | agh. I'll sit and hide down here by the computer until they leave..... |
| 17:05.45 | mheath | Wait, thats what I do anyway.. |
| 17:09.30 | maquis | mheath: who you hidin from? |
| 17:10.19 | mheath | This guy Jason... |
| 17:10.40 | maquis | why you hidin' from 'im |
| 17:10.44 | mheath | A few years ago, my dad thought he'd do some good and give an acquaintance of his friend, who was having problems financially, a place to live |
| 17:10.57 | mheath | So Jason used to live here |
| 17:11.20 | maquis | ok |
| 17:11.26 | maquis | and? |
| 17:11.40 | mheath | And did nothing but treat me (and the rest of my family) with disrespect. My dad realized this, but wasn't about to kick the guy out. |
| 17:12.02 | maquis | ick |
| 17:12.04 | maquis | jerk |
| 17:12.10 | mheath | Used my family for money, etc. (3 cars have been bought for him on my dads tab, all of which he's ruined) |
| 17:12.26 | maquis | wow |
| 17:12.50 | mheath | And, it kinda reached a boiling point for me, when I discovered he was having a sexual relationship with my sister. |
| 17:13.10 | maquis | wow |
| 17:13.13 | maquis | ipes |
| 17:13.16 | maquis | that's really wrong |
| 17:13.26 | maquis | did you dad kick him out then? |
| 17:13.33 | mheath | No. |
| 17:13.37 | mheath | Don't ask me why. |
| 17:13.39 | maquis | did he know about it? |
| 17:13.43 | mheath | Yes. |
| 17:13.49 | mheath | (My sister is/was an adult) |
| 17:14.03 | maquis | ok... i guess that makes it a bit less startling |
| 17:14.37 | mheath | The guy had anger management problems, too |
| 17:14.43 | mheath | He kicked my door in once |
| 17:14.50 | maquis | that's scary |
| 17:14.57 | mheath | cut the phone line leading to my room when I threated to call the cops (after he'd kicked the door in) |
| 17:15.09 | Bradipo | Did you explain all this to your dad? |
| 17:15.30 | mheath | Bradipo: He was entirely aware of it. |
| 17:15.49 | maquis | if i'd been in that type of a situation, i would've told my dad that iwas moving out if the guy didn't get kicked out |
| 17:16.04 | mheath | Hah, I would have done the same...but I was 15 at the time. |
| 17:16.09 | mheath | Can't exactly 'move out' :) |
| 17:16.11 | maquis | although... i think my dad would've kicked him out rather early on... (my mom wouldn't've handled it...) |
| 17:16.29 | mheath | The guy finally moved out |
| 17:16.36 | mheath | But he's still over here constantly |
| 17:16.40 | levi | My dad wouldn't let some random idiot move into our house. |
| 17:16.52 | levi | Geez. |
| 17:17.03 | mheath | Getting money from my dad, using my dads tools (which he has an uncanny knack for losing) to work on his car |
| 17:17.32 | maquis | your dad is obviously very patient |
| 17:17.34 | mheath | His girlfriend and son are upstairs, he's out in the garage |
| 17:17.41 | mheath | maquis: Yes. Rediculously so. |
| 17:17.46 | maquis | yeah |
| 17:18.01 | levi | Your dad needs to grow a spine or something. |
| 17:18.53 | Bradipo | This brings Pride and Prejudice to mind... |
| 17:19.13 | mheath | I'm a shy, easygoing, peaceful guy. But if theres one person who I've ever contemplated kicking in the face, it's him. |
| 17:19.43 | mheath | He emotionally abused my sister so badly.. |
| 17:19.47 | mheath | anyway.....</rant> |
| 17:21.04 | levi | maquis: Contemplates standing up for her, at least. Not that he's got a lot of realistic options. |
| 17:21.11 | maquis | yeah |
| 17:21.12 | maquis | well... |
| 17:21.15 | maquis | it's a step |
| 17:21.27 | levi | That's kind of his dad's job. |
| 17:21.31 | maquis | yeah |
| 17:21.52 | maquis | but at least she's got someone who wants to stand up for her |
| 17:22.05 | levi | Who, from the above information, sounds like a total weenie who needs to get his responsibilities straight. |
| 17:22.13 | mheath | I constantly worry about my sister |
| 17:22.20 | maquis | mheath: that's good |
| 17:22.33 | mheath | Shes engaged to another deadbeat now, though :( |
| 17:22.52 | levi | I have a sister in law that was like that. |
| 17:23.03 | mheath | She's really shy and insecure. She could have any guy she wants, but I think she worries that, if she gets out of her current relationship, would she ever find another guy? |
| 17:23.03 | levi | She's finally got a decent man now, though. |
| 17:23.34 | maquis | mheath: i assume you've talked to her about all those things? |
| 17:24.30 | mheath | maquis: Nope. I don't know how she'd react if I told her "That guy sucks, you shouldn't marry him" |
| 17:25.01 | Bradipo | mheath: Tell her. |
| 17:25.01 | maquis | it might be worth trying to talk to her (gently... not using those words, of course)... |
| 17:25.13 | Bradipo | Better to find out opinions before marriage than after. |
| 17:25.16 | maquis | just tell her you think she could easily do better |
| 17:25.22 | mheath | This new guy she has.... |
| 17:25.57 | mheath | Can't hold a job (Hes had like 10 jobs in the last 7 months...currently works at a haunted house), has a major juvenille criminal record (though I don't know anything about it)... |
| 17:26.05 | mheath | Cheated on her (she's come home to find him making out with other girls) |
| 17:26.33 | mheath | Am I wrong in thinking she shouldn't marry the guy? |
| 17:26.42 | maquis | mheath: you're her brother... if nobody else is going to tell her that the guy's a jerk, you had better do it |
| 17:27.58 | levi | mheath: No, you're absolutely right that she shouldn't marry the loser. |
| 17:28.53 | levi | She doesn't need a husband right now, she needs a sense of self-worth. |
| 17:29.39 | maquis | otherwise, there could be a lot more problems down the road |
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| 17:29.49 | Bradipo | mheath: Certainly she has her own life and her own agency. |
| 17:30.05 | Bradipo | She can marry whom she will, but you can at least let her know how you feel about this guy. |
| 17:30.06 | mheath | Anyway, sorry to spam the channel with my personal issues. |
| 17:30.09 | mheath | I was wondering |
| 17:30.14 | mheath | Wouldn't print.google.com be easy to abuse? |
| 17:30.31 | mheath | Seems like you could make a program that would submit calculated queries |
| 17:30.37 | mheath | So you could piece together an entire book |
| 17:30.55 | Bradipo | Not economically feasible... |
| 17:31.15 | levi | You can also go to the library and photocopy an entire book. |
| 17:34.11 | tensai | friend of mine used to work at a shipping center. every couple weeks a guy would come in, photocopy an entire book and mail it over seas to his relatives. cost him way more than just buying the book. |
| 17:34.36 | levi | Alas, some people are just not very smart. |
| 17:35.11 | maquis | tensai: although... in some countries you can send in a lot of pieces of paper while you can't send in an actual book, as i understand it |
| 17:36.19 | maquis | mheath: no school today? |
| 17:36.30 | mheath | poseidon, zeus, apollo (my sun :P), morpheus all have to come online today |
| 17:36.31 | mheath | Nope |
| 17:36.34 | mheath | UEA weekend :) |
| 17:36.45 | maquis | UEA? |
| 17:36.56 | mheath | maquis: teachers union type thing |
| 17:37.01 | maquis | oh |
| 17:37.03 | mheath | They're having their annual meeting |
| 17:37.05 | maquis | cool |
| 17:38.38 | goozbach | google on your hip++ |
| 17:38.48 | mheath | eh? |
| 17:39.19 | goozbach | google + blazer + palmos + treo 650 + sprint |
| 17:40.45 | mheath | Ah |
| 17:40.52 | mheath | My Sun's hostname is going to be Apollo :P |
| 17:41.04 | Bradipo | goozbach: Sprint kind of sucks though. |
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| 17:45.37 | emcnabb | TimRiker, thanks for the meeting last night; it was really good |
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| 18:32.22 | TimRiker | thanx |
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| 19:00.26 | hans | -lart something |
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| 19:03.04 | hans | -rps rock |
| 19:03.04 | brac | scissors. You win. |
| 19:03.13 | hans | ~lart brac |
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| 19:18.15 | maquis | -rps scissors |
| 19:18.15 | brac | paper. You win. |
| 19:18.34 | maquis | -rps paper |
| 19:18.34 | brac | rock. You win. |
| 19:18.41 | maquis | -rps paper |
| 19:18.41 | brac | scissors! I win! |
| 19:28.57 | tensai | jsmith: are you aware of any work to use radius in asterisk, eg. sip credentials |
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| 20:03.32 | jebar | how do I find the number of max file handles the kernel has |
| 20:04.27 | tensai | /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
| 20:04.38 | jebar | thx |
| 20:04.40 | maquis | jebar: i think there's also a system call if you need to do it from inside a program |
| 20:05.02 | jsmith | tensai: No, but it probably wouldn't be that hard to incorporate it into the Realtime stuff, if you knew how to code |
| 20:06.07 | tensai | jsmith: I was taking a look and I think that might work |
| 20:06.12 | jebar | and changing that file-max? |
| 20:06.45 | jsmith | tensai: If they've got it pulling from Active Directory (heaven forbid!) then radius shouldn't be that bad... |
| 20:08.53 | byronc | jebar: echo "10000" > /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
| 20:09.36 | tensai | jsmith: I'm wondering though because with radius you send the un/pw off to the radius server and then get a yes or no back. you don't load the password like realtime is doine. |
| 20:09.41 | tensai | s/doine/doing/ |
| 20:09.52 | jebar | file-max is total files open, is there a total for max files per process or is it the same |
| 20:10.06 | byronc | jebar: total files open |
| 20:10.37 | byronc | jebar: you can use ulimit to set the max open files for a user |
| 20:17.10 | jebar | byronc: thx |
| 20:21.58 | maquis | me pounds head against the "extended euclidian algorithm" |
| 20:32.27 | mrpull- | anybody know anything about the new VMWare Player? |
| 20:39.09 | maquis | ack |
| 20:39.12 | maquis | this is frustrating |
| 20:39.24 | maquis | i can do it on paper... why can't i figure out how to code it???? |
| 20:40.42 | graphyx | overflow/underflow? |
| 20:47.01 | tensai | maquis: sometimes incompetence will do that to you |
| 20:47.12 | tensai | just a thought |
| 20:47.14 | maquis | ~lart tensai |
| 20:47.32 | tensai | hoo boy, it's cloudy in here all of a sudden |
| 20:48.05 | mrpull- | tesai: in here? |
| 20:48.22 | tensai | ibot really stunk it up |
| 20:48.43 | mrpull- | doh. i was thinking rain clouds "in here" |
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| 20:52.34 | xbmodder1 | ls -l |
| 20:52.40 | xbmodder1 | rm lars-ut-away |
| 20:52.43 | xbmodder1 | rm wps |
| 20:52.58 | xbmodder1 | ls @* |
| 20:53.02 | xbmodder1 | rm -rf @* |
| 20:53.03 | xbmodder1 | yay! |
| 20:53.26 | xbmodder1 | ~say Jake sucks! |
| 20:53.27 | ibot | Jake sucks! |
| 20:55.42 | lars-ut | rm -rf xbmodder1 |
| 20:55.58 | lars-ut | ~assimilate xbmodder1 |
| 20:56.00 | ibot | ACTION jams assimilation tubes into xbmodder1's neck and injects Borg nanobots. |
| 20:56.15 | maquis | and the solution is frighteningly similar to her "translate to roman numerals" problem from last year |
| 21:05.06 | mrpull- | the "browser appliance" VM from vmware is a fun idea |
| 21:05.35 | mrpull- | browsing in firefox in a linux sandbox that keeps your windows computer from getting frobbed. |
| 21:08.52 | mheath | te4 |
| 21:10.34 | mheath | Er, sorry. I'm reorganizing some stuff, and bumped the keyboard. |
| 21:10.39 | goozbach | makefile question for the masses: |
| 21:10.49 | goozbach | I have a bunch of directories |
| 21:10.57 | goozbach | lets say foo bar and baz |
| 21:11.25 | goozbach | and I want to create a tarball of whichever directory if the contents of said directory change |
| 21:11.42 | goozbach | how do I write a target which will match that |
| 21:11.49 | goozbach | ? |
| 21:12.57 | maquis | goozbach: here's a non-optimal solution |
| 21:14.04 | maquis | you check the last-modified date/time of the directory... if it's different from the one stored, then tar it, otherwise go in and check the last-modified date for anything inside it (if there are dirs, you'll have to continue recursing) |
| 21:14.32 | maquis | if any of them have changed... then you want to tar that dir |
| 21:14.37 | maquis | move on to the next... etc |
| 21:15.14 | maquis | either way, use touch to set the last-modified-date for everything (recursively) |
| 21:15.30 | maquis | then record (in a file?) what you set the last-modified-date to |
| 21:15.45 | mrpull- | goozbach: is make the only tool up for consideration? |
| 21:15.47 | maquis | (it's non-optimal, and i'm sure someone can come up with better... but it ought to work?) |
| 21:16.02 | maquis | it also might not be possible with make... |
| 21:16.04 | goozbach | mrpull-: ideally |
| 21:16.21 | maquis | goozbach: couldn't you have make call a script? |
| 21:17.53 | goozbach | which other tools automaticly compare mtimes of a target and prereq? |
| 21:19.59 | maquis | goozbach: hmmmm..... good point... that makes large points of what i thought of easier |
| 21:20.04 | maquis | although... |
| 21:20.08 | goozbach | I want to write a makefile which will tar up any sibling level directory if the contents of said directory are newer than the current tarball |
| 21:20.11 | goozbach | sibling to the makefile that is |
| 21:20.33 | maquis | goozbach: question |
| 21:21.12 | maquis | can you have the "depends-upon" part of a makefile be directory/*? |
| 21:21.52 | maquis | because if so, then you could have the tarball depend on directory/*, and then if anything that's in there changed, then it would automatically go to re-make the tarball |
| 21:22.09 | maquis | you'd have to have a rule for each directory, i think, though... |
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| 21:23.19 | maquis | it wouldn't work if any of the directories had subdirs that had things change, though, i think... |
| 21:27.04 | maquis | goozbach: something like: |
| 21:27.12 | maquis | directory.tgz: directory/* |
| 21:27.12 | maquis | tar -zcvf directory.tgz directory/ |
| 21:27.12 | maquis | directory2.tgz: directory2/* |
| 21:27.13 | maquis | tar -zcvf directory2.tgz directory2/ |
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| 21:36.50 | levi | Man, it must be getting near the end of the week. I'm starting to feel run-down. |
| 21:37.58 | maquis | levi: starting to? |
| 21:38.43 | levi | Well, I mean it's getting to the point where I feel like taking a nap. |
| 21:39.58 | Jayce^ | so, anybody really interested in trying out paintball this weekend? |
| 21:40.06 | Jayce^ | got a big scenario game up at vivian park |
| 21:40.11 | Jayce^ | 100+ people |
| 21:40.15 | Jayce^ | and I have a spare gun |
| 21:45.10 | maquis | Jayce^: what time is it?? |
| 21:45.21 | emcnabb | ~paintball Jayce^ |
| 21:45.27 | Jayce^ | 11:30 - 4:30 |
| 21:45.29 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, you can come :) |
| 21:45.41 | maquis | Jayce^: can't make it... got some stuff going on at noon |
| 21:45.45 | maquis | -lart emcnabb |
| 21:46.07 | maquis | emcnabb: guess you'll have to come to the uug meeting tonight :-P |
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| 21:47.49 | maquis | why can't the bignum functions return their value? it'd be much better for when i want to string a couple of them together |
| 21:59.12 | emcnabb | maquis, Provo is a long ways away for a meeting on emacs |
| 22:00.00 | levi | hans: Your RADP got blogged here: http://chneukirchen.org/anarchaia/ |
| 22:00.02 | brac | [Anarchaia] |
| 22:12.15 | maquis | emcnabb: i know... |
| 22:13.45 | levi | maquis: Who's presenting on emacs? |
| 22:15.03 | maquis | levi: richard scott mcnew |
| 22:15.11 | levi | maquis: And do you have any idea what bits of emacs he'll be covering? |
| 22:15.22 | maquis | levi: ummm... |
| 22:15.50 | maquis | i vaguely recall that he might've sent me something about it... |
| 22:16.01 | maquis | it sounded good... so... i didn't look too much further into it |
| 22:16.24 | levi | Hmm. |
| 22:18.07 | mheath | I wish I could go |
| 22:18.14 | mheath | A presentation on emacs sounds like a Good Thing |
| 22:19.05 | mheath | I know we have some people here who like to experiment with cooking. Does anyone have any recommendations on a neat, exotic, desert I could try making? |
| 22:19.38 | levi | Hmm. I know mostly rich desserts. :) |
| 22:19.52 | mheath | Well, even rich deserts |
| 22:20.23 | levi | Creme brulee is always a favorite. |
| 22:20.49 | levi | Tricky to get right, though. |
| 22:20.59 | maquis | -lart wikipedia |
| 22:21.12 | mheath | Hah! |
| 22:21.21 | levi | It's fun to take a kitchen torch to your dessert, though. :) |
| 22:21.22 | mheath | I don't think that lart had much effect -= |
| 22:21.23 | mheath | =\ |
| 22:21.47 | mheath | levi: I don't have a kitchen torch.... |
| 22:21.59 | mheath | The recipe I have here says to sprinkle brown sugar on it and stick it in your oven for a bit |
| 22:22.07 | levi | mheath: You can also do it with a broiler, but it's harder to get it just right. |
| 22:22.14 | Jayce^ | Baked alaska |
| 22:22.16 | levi | And I'd stay away from brown sugar; it burns much more easily. |
| 22:22.23 | Jayce^ | still get the flame, albeit not with a blowtorch |
| 22:22.53 | Jayce^ | I like creme, but something about baked alaska just makes it seem better to me |
| 22:22.58 | levi | I've heard 'sugar in the raw' is the best stuff to use for creme brulee. |
| 22:23.16 | levi | Though I've mostly used white sugar. |
| 22:23.36 | levi | I did make a yummy dessert that I patterend after something I had at Tucci's. |
| 22:24.02 | mheath | "superfine sugar" is what many recipees I'm finding online recommend |
| 22:24.07 | mheath | Powdered sugar? |
| 22:24.13 | Jayce^ | no |
| 22:24.18 | levi | mheath: No, powdered sugar has cornstarch in it. |
| 22:24.21 | Jayce^ | it's still granulated |
| 22:24.32 | mheath | So, granulated sugar, just ground up more. |
| 22:24.32 | levi | mheath: superfine is just really fine granules. |
| 22:24.47 | mheath | I dunno. Creme Brulee is overdone...... |
| 22:24.51 | levi | Plain white sugar works fine, if it's what you've got. |
| 22:25.16 | Jayce^ | well, define what makes it exotic.. |
| 22:25.20 | Jayce^ | ingredients |
| 22:25.24 | Jayce^ | difficulty.. |
| 22:25.30 | Jayce^ | rarity? |
| 22:25.37 | maquis | Jayce^: my guess is he wants something that you don't see much |
| 22:25.41 | levi | Anyway, my dessert was this pastry creme with some raspberries mixed in, topped with a layer of sweetened cream cheese and a little bit of sprinkled brown sugar, and served with caramel sauce. |
| 22:25.54 | Jayce^ | ok, here's one I made a little bit ago, while grilling: |
| 22:26.00 | mheath | Jayce^: definantly NOT ingredients |
| 22:26.08 | mheath | I need ingredients that I can get at a grocery store |
| 22:26.18 | Bradipo | mheath: Then it isn't exotic enough. :-) |
| 22:26.26 | levi | mheath: You could try a chocolate souffle. |
| 22:26.49 | Jayce^ | take a half a peach, soak in some heavy cream for a while.. then sprinkle on cinnamon/nutmeg/sugar and put on the grill along with thin apple slices witht he same sugar (but no cream) |
| 22:27.03 | maquis | mheath: fried bananas are good |
| 22:27.08 | Jayce^ | bake until carmelization begins, rotate, repeat |
| 22:27.37 | maquis | Jayce^: that sounds good |
| 22:27.39 | Jayce^ | to serve, place peach face up, and scoop in GOOD vanilla ice cream, use apple slices on edge |
| 22:28.01 | Jayce^ | and put on thin strawberry (or use raspberries) on top of the ice cream |
| 22:28.10 | jsmith | maquis: Tempura bananas are better :-) |
| 22:28.14 | Jayce^ | and add a little chocolate sauce (good chocolate, not hersheys) |
| 22:28.27 | mheath | Jayce^: good idea, Our peaches are ripe right now, even |
| 22:28.28 | Jayce^ | jsmith++ tempura almost anything makes it better |
| 22:28.34 | mheath | Our peaches are the best i've ever had |
| 22:28.38 | jsmith | Jayce^: Yup... |
| 22:28.39 | mheath | they just get ripe really late in the year.. |
| 22:29.01 | mheath | Hmm. Chocolate Souffle wants Couverture Chocolate (a special kind of chocolate) |
| 22:29.03 | mheath | No idea where I'd get that |
| 22:29.06 | maquis | do many of you like fried ice cream? |
| 22:29.20 | Bradipo | Not me. |
| 22:29.20 | jsmith | maquis: Tempura ice cream is better |
| 22:29.20 | levi | mheath: Find a different recipe then. |
| 22:29.43 | mheath | And, I don't have any souffle dishes. |
| 22:29.45 | maquis | jsmith: how would you make tempura bananas |
| 22:29.47 | maquis | ? |
| 22:29.51 | Jayce^ | maquis, just start with very hard frozen ice cream |
| 22:30.08 | jsmith | maquis: And put the candy coating on it before you fry it :-) |
| 22:30.25 | maquis | jsmith: candy coating? |
| 22:30.32 | jsmith | maquis: How do *I* make tempura bananas -- I think you're making some assumptions there :-) |
| 22:30.36 | levi | mheath: You can use a regular baking dish. |
| 22:30.46 | maquis | i've only ever seen corn flakes on it... |
| 22:30.54 | maquis | jsmith: i asked how *would* you make them |
| 22:31.36 | jsmith | maquis: Well, I'd take a banana, dip it in tempura coating, and then fry it. |
| 22:31.38 | Jayce^ | maquis, tempura just *basically* is battered and deep fried |
| 22:31.48 | maquis | jsmith: thanks |
| 22:31.53 | jsmith | maquis: Any time! |
| 22:32.00 | maquis | Jayce^: that makes a bit more sense... but what do you use to make the batter? |
| 22:32.25 | mheath | Haha, what a worthless recipe |
| 22:32.26 | jsmith | maquis: You go buy a box of tempura mix |
| 22:32.35 | mheath | "Starfruit and strawberries in champagne" |
| 22:32.49 | mheath | The recipe is basically "take some starfruit and some strawberries and put them in campagne" |
| 22:33.23 | Jayce^ | you can find a lot online, just a basic light flour batter, pretty lenient |
| 22:33.33 | levi | A fancy cheesecake is always good. |
| 22:33.44 | Jayce^ | you can buy mixes too |
| 22:33.52 | mheath | Ooh, heres a chocolate souffle recipe |
| 22:34.21 | levi | Oooh... Baklava. I love baklava. You can generally get the filo dough at the grocery store, too. |
| 22:35.18 | Jayce^ | neybar_work was showing me the other day a bunch of new cookbooks from America's test kitchen that Costco is selling, he highly recommended.. could check those out |
| 22:35.24 | mheath | Hmm |
| 22:35.30 | mheath | Can anyone recommend a recipe that uses cherries? |
| 22:35.41 | Jayce^ | cordials |
| 22:35.59 | levi | I had a friend whose mother was Armenian. She made baklava that was to die for. |
| 22:36.04 | mheath | No,no pie cherries |
| 22:36.07 | Jayce^ | as a theme ingredient, or jsut as an accent |
| 22:36.15 | mheath | cherry cordials takes marashino cherries |
| 22:36.25 | mheath | Jayce^: well, either |
| 22:36.32 | neybar_work | mmm, pistachio baklava... I love holiday times cause it is too expensive to make anyother time. |
| 22:36.37 | Jayce^ | they can... but you can make then outta whatever you want with some imagination |
| 22:36.50 | Jayce^ | one should never be just tied to a recipie, dont' be afraid to expiriment |
| 22:37.06 | mheath | And the cherries are frozen |
| 22:37.16 | Jayce^ | meh, non decorative then |
| 22:37.16 | mheath | so I can't use anything that needs perfect, fresh cherries |
| 22:37.18 | mheath | yeah |
| 22:37.41 | mheath | And they're pie cherries (tart, though you can always fix that with a little sugar) |
| 22:37.48 | neybar_work | yeah, I really like the America's Test Kitchen cookbooks. I have three by them so far. |
| 22:38.00 | Jayce^ | man, now I want to make some baked alaska again.. |
| 22:38.08 | Jayce^ | my wife will be quite happy with you folks.... :) |
| 22:38.21 | Jayce^ | ~steal neybar_work's books |
| 22:38.23 | ibot | ACTION grabs neybar_work's books and gives it to sjansen |
| 22:38.24 | mheath | We need new cookbooks...Ours are rather outdated. |
| 22:38.26 | Jayce^ | hey! |
| 22:38.46 | Bradipo | mheath: Here's one with cherries... looks very good (no photo) from the ingredients and instructions: http://www.italiadonna.it/public/percorsi/ricette/ric165.htm |
| 22:38.48 | brac | [SFORMATINI DI RICOTTA INNAFFIATI AL SUCCO DI CILIEGIA - ricetta] |
| 22:39.04 | levi | One of my favorite cookbooks is pretty darn old. |
| 22:39.22 | Bradipo | Nice brac... |
| 22:39.22 | mheath | Bradipo: um.... |
| 22:39.26 | Bradipo | Very good of you. |
| 22:39.36 | mheath | Bradipo: I'll keep that in mind when I learn Italian and get a scale. |
| 22:41.15 | mheath | Hahaha |
| 22:41.21 | mheath | Google failed at translating that page |
| 22:41.28 | mheath | "Eliminate the kernel from the cherries" |
| 22:41.37 | Bradipo | That's close enough. :-) |
| 22:41.46 | mheath | Not quite |
| 22:41.47 | mheath | its: |
| 22:42.03 | mheath | "Elimited the kernel from the cherries: a half goes tritate roughly, the other half tenetele from part." |
| 22:42.06 | mheath | *Eliminated |
| 22:42.25 | Bradipo | tritare means to chop. |
| 22:42.34 | Bradipo | tenetele a parte means set aside. |
| 22:42.47 | mheath | Bradipo: what exactly is this recipe making? |
| 22:42.49 | mheath | can you describe it? |
| 22:42.57 | Bradipo | You wanted something exotic with cherries... |
| 22:42.59 | mheath | Google didn't even translate the ingredients correctly |
| 22:43.15 | mheath | What is ricotta dolce? |
| 22:43.21 | Jayce^ | sweet ricotta |
| 22:43.23 | Bradipo | It's a sformatino with ricotta and cherries. |
| 22:43.30 | Bradipo | Yes, sweet. |
| 22:43.38 | mheath | I don't have these things. |
| 22:43.41 | Bradipo | Many desserts are made with ricotta that has been sweetened. |
| 22:43.42 | mheath | I have no way of getting these things. |
| 22:43.43 | Bradipo | Very good. |
| 22:43.50 | Bradipo | Ricotta you can get at a grocery store. |
| 22:43.56 | mheath | Sweetened ricotta? |
| 22:43.56 | Bradipo | It isn't exactly the best quality, but it works. |
| 22:44.01 | Bradipo | Add sugar. |
| 22:44.06 | Bradipo | It doesn't come sweet. |
| 22:44.11 | mheath | What is ciliegie? |
| 22:44.19 | Bradipo | Cherries. |
| 22:44.26 | mheath | Nocciole? |
| 22:44.29 | Bradipo | Nuts. |
| 22:44.35 | mheath | Zucchero? |
| 22:44.41 | Bradipo | Sugar. |
| 22:44.47 | mheath | Cannella? |
| 22:44.51 | Bradipo | Cinnamin. |
| 22:44.54 | Bradipo | It didn't get those? |
| 22:45.00 | mheath | Latte? |
| 22:45.09 | Bradipo | You should try babelfish.altavista.com, might get more of these words. |
| 22:45.12 | Bradipo | Latte is milk. |
| 22:45.18 | mheath | Cognac? |
| 22:45.24 | Bradipo | Cognac. |
| 22:45.30 | mheath | Thats what I thought. |
| 22:45.34 | maquis | :) |
| 22:45.35 | Bradipo | You might want to leave that out... |
| 22:45.45 | Bradipo | Or find a substitute, unless it is actually cooked... |
| 22:45.47 | Bradipo | But I doubt it. |
| 22:45.59 | Bradipo | No, it isn't cooked. |
| 22:46.15 | Bradipo | Says to sprinkle it on the mint leaves to add aroma. |
| 22:46.18 | mheath | Um |
| 22:46.26 | mheath | The google translation goes into stamps and transparent film. |
| 22:46.33 | Bradipo | Or rather sprinkle with mint leaves and cognac. |
| 22:46.59 | mheath | "...them to you on a plate from capacity, raised the stamps with the aid of the transparent film, irrorateli with the lukewarm sauce as soon as prepared and...good dessert!!!" |
| 22:47.51 | Bradipo | stampi would be the tin. |
| 22:48.01 | Bradipo | The cooking tin/ramekin. |
| 22:48.07 | Bradipo | Or whatever you put it in. |
| 22:48.25 | Bradipo | Looks pretty good actually. |
| 22:48.44 | Bradipo | Ooh, here's a good part that isn't in the ingredients... |
| 22:48.47 | mheath | Bradipo: Can you describe the desert? |
| 22:48.51 | mheath | What exactly is this? |
| 22:48.55 | Bradipo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.06 | Bradipo | Garnish with grated chocolate. |
| 22:49.17 | mheath | *dessert |
| 22:49.18 | Bradipo | Bitter chocolate to boot. |
| 22:49.21 | Jayce^ | could make brigadeiro's |
| 22:49.23 | Jayce^ | http://www.internationalrecipesonline.com/recipes/view.pl?600 |
| 22:49.24 | Bradipo | Yes, dessert. |
| 22:49.27 | brac | [International Recipes OnLine: View Recipe: Brigadeiro] |
| 22:49.48 | Bradipo | Jayce^: Looks good. |
| 22:50.08 | Bradipo | Looks easy. |
| 22:50.13 | Jayce^ | very |
| 22:50.18 | Jayce^ | addictive |
| 22:50.23 | Bradipo | Hmm. |
| 22:51.04 | Jayce^ | would mainline those suckers given the change |
| 22:51.07 | Jayce^ | chance |
| 22:51.09 | Bradipo | Jayce^: Do you use Saco cocoa? |
| 22:51.20 | levi | You could make Bananas Foster: http://www.gumbopages.com/food/dessert/ban-foster.html |
| 22:51.21 | brac | [Bananas Foster] |
| 22:52.07 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 22:52.17 | mheath | Chocolate Mousse in Chocolate Cups |
| 22:52.35 | Jayce^ | Saco? |
| 22:52.39 | Bradipo | mheath: Another one of my favorite is tiramisu` but it is only moderately exotic. |
| 22:52.41 | Bradipo | But very good. |
| 22:52.51 | Jayce^ | if done right.. |
| 22:52.58 | Bradipo | True. |
| 22:53.26 | mheath | Oh WOW |
| 22:53.37 | mheath | looks devine |
| 22:53.49 | Bradipo | mheath: It is. :-) |
| 22:53.52 | Bradipo | So is zabaglione... |
| 22:54.03 | Jayce^ | of course, simple can be really good.. fill a bown with thin sliced strawberries, add some blueberries, drizzle a little sweetened condensed milk.. |
| 22:54.14 | Jayce^ | then just sit down with a spoon and the bowl |
| 22:54.47 | Bradipo | Or take strawberry slices and blueberries and stir them into a cup of real whipping cream with a layer of pudding at the bottom. |
| 22:54.56 | mheath | Why do italians have such good foods?! |
| 22:54.57 | levi | This stuff is pretty good: http://www.experienceplus.com/reading_room/archives/2003/11/rdgrd_med_flde.html |
| 22:55.00 | brac | [Recipes: Rødgrød med Fløde (Danish Red Berry Pudding with Cream) - ExperiencePlus! Reading Room ] |
| 22:55.10 | Bradipo | mheath: They live to eat, rather than eat to live. :-) |
| 22:55.12 | Jayce^ | throw in some biscotti Bradipo |
| 22:55.21 | mheath | Seems like half the people in America think Italian food is limited to noodles and tomato sauce |
| 22:55.25 | mheath | then you discover things like this! |
| 22:55.28 | Bradipo | Jayce^: sounds great. |
| 22:55.51 | Bradipo | mheath: I would argue that half the people don't really know what Italian food is. :-) |
| 22:56.09 | Jayce^ | that goes for most foreign food.. |
| 22:56.13 | Bradipo | True. |
| 22:56.17 | Jayce^ | then again, most don't know our own food :) |
| 22:56.22 | JoshH | for me italian is all about alfredo |
| 22:56.25 | Bradipo | What is our food? |
| 22:56.25 | mheath | Mascarpone? What is that? |
| 22:56.25 | Jayce^ | they think it's just pizza and burgers :) |
| 22:56.27 | JoshH | i dont care for tomato sauce |
| 22:56.39 | Bradipo | I was trying to come up with the most ``American'' food there is.. |
| 22:56.47 | Bradipo | Mascarpone is a kind of cream cheese. |
| 22:56.54 | mheath | And I don't really know where to get espresso... |
| 22:56.55 | Bradipo | Very mild flavored. |
| 22:57.00 | Bradipo | You don't need espresso. |
| 22:57.07 | levi | mheath: You can get mascarpone at most grocery stores. |
| 22:57.07 | Bradipo | I use Pero. |
| 22:57.08 | JoshH | you will be someday |
| 22:57.11 | mheath | All the recipes I've looked at so far want espresson |
| 22:57.16 | mheath | *espresso |
| 22:57.18 | Bradipo | mheath: Substitue pero. |
| 22:57.18 | Jayce^ | usually used in sweetened situations (well, very often) |
| 22:57.41 | levi | mheath: You could also just substitute regular cream cheese. |
| 22:57.42 | mheath | What is pero? |
| 22:57.48 | Bradipo | Its a roasted barley drink. |
| 22:57.54 | Bradipo | Smells a lot like coffee, but isn't. |
| 22:57.58 | mheath | Where can I get it? |
| 22:58.01 | Bradipo | Smiths. |
| 22:58.04 | Jayce^ | called cevada in brasil |
| 22:58.10 | Jayce^ | very similar to Postum |
| 22:58.10 | Bradipo | Orzo in Italian. |
| 22:58.24 | Bradipo | Yeah, similar to postum, but it is just straight roasted barly. |
| 22:58.24 | Jayce^ | usually you can just switch them |
| 22:58.27 | Bradipo | barley. |
| 22:58.27 | mheath | These also all want liquor... |
| 22:58.28 | levi | I highly recommend the Rødgrød med Fløde stuff. It's extremely simple, yet delicious. |
| 22:58.41 | mheath | Brandy or such things |
| 22:58.57 | levi | You can't have a flambe without liquor. |
| 22:58.59 | Bradipo | mheath: There are plenty that don't have those things... |
| 22:59.21 | Jayce^ | levi, but a lot of the times you can get the same food effect (not the show though) usign a broiler |
| 22:59.24 | mheath | http://www.heavenlytiramisu.com/basic.htm |
| 22:59.32 | Tene | http://www.cookingforengineers.com/ |
| 22:59.54 | Bradipo | mheath: By the way, the savoiardi package usually has a very simple recipe for tiramisu` on the side. |
| 23:00.00 | levi | Jayce^: I don't know how you could get flavor out of a broiler. |
| 23:00.09 | brac | [Basic Tiramisu Recipes] |
| 23:00.10 | brac | [Cooking For Engineers] |
| 23:00.21 | Bradipo | Tene: Nice site... |
| 23:00.30 | levi | I love cookingforengineers. :) |
| 23:00.51 | mheath | haha, cool site |
| 23:00.57 | Jayce^ | levi, usually outside of the alcohol's specific flavor they are trying to promote carmelization in a flambe situation... which can be done with a broiler without damaging the exterior of the subject |
| 23:01.10 | Jayce^ | since oftentimes you are working on the peaks of a merengue or such.. |
| 23:01.32 | Bradipo | mheath: What are you trying to accomplish by the way? |
| 23:01.37 | mheath | A yummy, interesting dessert. |
| 23:01.44 | Bradipo | Just for kicks? |
| 23:01.47 | maquis | any particular reason? |
| 23:01.56 | mheath | Yep, just for kicks |
| 23:01.58 | Bradipo | http://www.fabulousfoods.com/recipes/dessert/puddings/zabaglione.html |
| 23:01.59 | brac | [RECIPE for cooking Zabaglione, a classic Italian dessert] |
| 23:02.02 | Bradipo | Check that out mheath... |
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| 23:02.08 | levi | Jayce^: Um, I haven't heard of any Baked Alaska recipe that uses flambe to brown the merengue. The liqueur usually goes in an eggshell, and you always use the broiler or torch to brown the merengue. |
| 23:02.40 | mheath | Bradipo: I'm under 21. I have no access to alcohol. |
| 23:02.41 | Jayce^ | of course sometimes they use it to specifically enhance alcohol soluble flavors |
| 23:02.46 | mheath | Which is my main problem with a lot of these recipes. |
| 23:02.48 | Bradipo | mheath: Improvise... |
| 23:03.07 | Bradipo | Find a recipe that doesn't require alcoholic drinks, that's what I do. |
| 23:03.18 | Jayce^ | levi, yeah, for alaska you usually used a broiler, but I was talking there about lots of other recipeies.. |
| 23:03.32 | Jayce^ | but I have seen baked alaska done with a rum flambe |
| 23:04.58 | maquis | Jayce^: you keep making me think of baked alaska king salmon.. which is making me hungry and a touch homesick |
| 23:05.30 | Jayce^ | maquis, baked alaska is very different from that :) |
| 23:05.34 | maquis | yes... |
| 23:05.40 | maquis | but it's making me *think* of salmon |
| 23:05.49 | maquis | marinated in teriyaki sauce |
| 23:05.50 | Jayce^ | coworker got salmon at Goodwood today... big mistake |
| 23:05.53 | Jayce^ | lousy |
| 23:06.16 | maquis | Jayce^: my impression so far is that you can't get good seafood around here |
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| 23:06.33 | Jayce^ | not for anybody used to anything fresh |
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| 23:06.49 | Jayce^ | yeah, they brought his plate out and it had a strong fish smell... you knew it was bad |
| 23:06.56 | maquis | yeah |
| 23:07.06 | maquis | back home.... mmmm.... |
| 23:07.22 | Jayce^ | serves him right, he is originally from alaska :) so he realized how bad it was real fast |
| 23:07.40 | maquis | that sucks |
| 23:07.59 | maquis | i don't blame him for wanting some good salmon, though |
| 23:08.18 | maquis | i'd heard that goodwood is pretty good... is the rest of the food good (non-seafood)? |
| 23:08.18 | Bradipo | maquis: You could go up one of the rivers and catch some trout... :-) |
| 23:08.29 | maquis | Bradipo: trout != wild salmon |
| 23:08.29 | Bradipo | Not seafood really, but it is fish. |
| 23:08.44 | Jayce^ | fresh trout is quite good, but definately different |
| 23:08.52 | Bradipo | Jayce^: I have not been impressed with Goodwood... |
| 23:09.01 | Jayce^ | their sauce sucks |
| 23:09.26 | jsmith | Amen! |
| 23:09.32 | Bradipo | I like Smokehouse BBQ more and it costs a lot less. |
| 23:09.49 | jsmith | Joe Morley's |
| 23:09.54 | Jayce^ | yeah, not the greatest spicy sauce, but far better, and a good dive cheap sauce |
| 23:10.04 | Jayce^ | morley's is pretty good, but a longer drive |
| 23:10.21 | Bradipo | jsmith: Indeed! Joe Morley's in Midvale? That is the best BBQ I've had in Utah. |
| 23:10.49 | jsmith | Bradipo: Bingo! |
| 23:11.01 | Bradipo | The ribs at Morely's are excellent, much better than anything I ever had at Tony Roma's. |
| 23:11.11 | Jayce^ | although if you catch the smokehouse Pork on a good day, moist and with a fair crust, and mix the mustard sauce with the spicy |
| 23:11.14 | levi | Hmm, I should go to Morley's again. |
| 23:11.22 | levi | I live right by it. |
| 23:11.35 | jsmith | levi: Bring some down this direction :-) |
| 23:11.35 | Jayce^ | there is another good BBQ dive down closer to the Y, can't remember the name right now |
| 23:11.41 | Bradipo | levi: I used to go there all the time when I lived in that valley. |
| 23:11.52 | jsmith | Jayce^: Whatever you do, don't say Wallaby's. |
| 23:11.55 | levi | Bradipo: I've only been once. I'm not a big BBQ eater. |
| 23:12.01 | Jayce^ | the biggest problem with smokehouse, is that bread is *extra*... what's up with that?! |
| 23:12.07 | Jayce^ | jsmith, arent' they gone now? |
| 23:12.30 | jsmith | Jayce^: No, they just changed names.... nobody was in the mood for BBQ koala |
| 23:12.39 | Jayce^ | this other place is a dive like smokehouse.. paper plates type setup.. strip mall |
| 23:13.00 | Jayce^ | meats and sauce were a little better, but portions smaller |
| 23:13.03 | Bradipo | In Brigham's Landing? |
| 23:13.06 | Jayce^ | no |
| 23:13.11 | Jayce^ | up the hill a little ways |
| 23:13.13 | Bradipo | There is a Smokehouse BBQ right off of Center. |
| 23:13.43 | Jayce^ | heading down Uni Ave, you take a left at wills, up the hill, and turn right at the light (forget the road name) |
| 23:13.47 | Bradipo | And one on University Pkwy. |
| 23:13.55 | Jayce^ | it's just on the right a little ways off there |
| 23:14.11 | Bradipo | Hmm. |
| 23:14.23 | Jayce^ | priced around the same as smoke house |
| 23:14.36 | Jayce^ | worth checking out though |
| 23:14.41 | Jayce^ | if you like good bbq |
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| 23:23.45 | maquis | rsa.c:20: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ‘exit’ <-- ?? |
| 23:23.53 | maquis | what am i doing wrong? |
| 23:25.06 | lars-ut | is brac a rewrite of the old bucky bot? |
| 23:25.11 | levi | maquis: Not including stdlib.h |
| 23:25.27 | maquis | levi: that might be it |
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| 23:26.01 | levi | maquis: That error is, afaik, always caused by a missing #include |
| 23:26.07 | mheath | Hmm |
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| 23:27.06 | mheath | ~lart recruiters |
| 23:27.08 | levi | If you use a function without forward-declaring it, it assumes some things about it that are usually wrong. Later, it gets to the real declaration and complains. |
| 23:27.51 | elg | levi: sweet! but what the heck does this mean: "Experimental, impressionistic sub-paragraph bloggin' (think obstsalat)" |
| 23:28.12 | mheath | ~lart recruiters that live four blocks from me and send letters in unidentifiable envelopes, razing my hopes that I got an interesting personla letter |
| 23:28.30 | levi | elg: It's one of those 'tumblelog' thingies. |
| 23:28.41 | lars-ut | ttfn |
| 23:28.46 | mheath | One of these days.... |
| 23:28.54 | mheath | I'm going to dress up in my uniform |
| 23:28.59 | mheath | Walk up to that recruiters door |
| 23:29.12 | mheath | And say "You wanted to see me about joining the Army National Guard, Sargeant?" |
| 23:29.13 | levi | elg: Where there are a bunch of small entries, quotes, pictures, etc. that are all displayed differently but presented on the same page. |
| 23:30.26 | mheath | I love these letters |
| 23:30.42 | mheath | MICHAEL HEATH, 224 W [......] |
| 23:30.49 | mheath | Re: Money for College |
| 23:31.01 | mheath | Money for College...psh... |
| 23:31.18 | mheath | "Sign up now, and get money for college. Please ignore the fact that we'll ship you to Iraq weeks after you join....." |
| 23:33.11 | mheath | He says I can call him |
| 23:33.14 | mheath | Yet gives no phone number. |
| 23:34.53 | elg | sanctioned guilt-free on-topic things to do, no less. |
| 23:39.29 | elg | levi - snd is a sound editor that can be extended with either guile or ruby |
| 23:39.56 | levi | elg: Ooh, cool. |
| 23:40.05 | levi | Grr, he keeps disappearing. |
| 23:46.52 | maquis | GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:48.02 | Tene | ~grr |
| 23:48.05 | ibot | hmm... grr is a sound that honeypea makes when she's patient, and should be angry or <honeypea> grr :) |
| 23:48.06 | Tene | ~growl |
| 23:48.07 | ibot | ACTION growls as loud as a storm and screams "I'LL CRUSH WHOEVER GETS IN MY WAY!!!" |
| 23:50.25 | Tene | ~comfort maquis |
| 23:50.26 | ibot | There, there, maquis. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:50.29 | Tene | ~devour maquis |
| 23:50.45 | Tene | Curses, foiled again! |
| 23:52.11 | maquis | hmmm |
| 23:52.15 | maquis | that makes sense all of a sudden |
| 23:52.25 | Tene | eh? what does? |
| 23:52.51 | maquis | why it was sticking 10001 into the file instead of 65537 |
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