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| 00:01.43 | maquis | Tene: i've switched /etc/postfix and everything within it to being owned by root |
| 00:01.57 | maquis | and chmodded it all to 644 (755 for the directory) |
| 00:02.03 | maquis | since that's apparently what it's supposed to be |
| 00:02.12 | maquis | still same problem |
| 00:06.32 | Tene | odd |
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| 01:06.30 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 01:07.08 | ScytheBlade1 | does anyone know of a cardbus wifi card, supported under linux as an AP (atheros/prism/orinoco chipset), that has an external antenna connector? |
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| 02:32.11 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 02:32.21 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, you still home? |
| 02:35.41 | xbmodder_lappy | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 7 15:44 /etc/postfix/ |
| 02:35.55 | xbmodder_lappy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25915 Sep 7 16:28 main.cf |
| 02:35.56 | xbmodder_lappy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6913 Sep 7 16:23 master.cf |
| 02:35.56 | xbmodder_lappy | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 21207 Sep 7 15:44 post-install |
| 02:35.56 | xbmodder_lappy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15663 Sep 7 15:44 postfix-files |
| 02:35.56 | xbmodder_lappy | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5800 Sep 7 15:44 postfix-script |
| 02:35.56 | xbmodder_lappy | -rw------- 1 root root 141 Sep 7 15:44 saslpass |
| 02:48.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I am |
| 02:48.27 | ScytheBlade1 | now, that is |
| 02:50.14 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
| 02:50.20 | xbmodder_lappy | get the orinoco cards |
| 02:50.27 | xbmodder_lappy | they rock my world. |
| 02:50.36 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/offering/list/-/B00009OLLY/all/104-6018084-1815952 <-- that's what I narrowed it down to |
| 02:50.39 | brac | [ |
| 02:50.39 | brac | Amazon.com: Used and New: Proxim ORiNOCO 11a/b/g ComboCard Gold ( 8480-WD ) |
| 02:50.39 | brac | ] |
| 02:50.44 | xbmodder_lappy | The cisco cards. |
| 02:50.55 | ScytheBlade1 | name/model? |
| 02:51.37 | ScytheBlade1 | also, cisco...not available to the general public |
| 02:52.17 | xbmodder_lappy | My soccer coach has one. |
| 02:52.34 | xbmodder_lappy | a/b/g? |
| 02:52.37 | xbmodder_lappy | b/g? |
| 02:52.39 | xbmodder_lappy | b? |
| 02:52.42 | xbmodder_lappy | a? |
| 02:52.47 | ScytheBlade1 | you (9 times out of 10) have to get them off of ebay |
| 02:52.51 | ScytheBlade1 | b/g is needed |
| 02:52.56 | ScytheBlade1 | a is nice....kinda, but unneeded |
| 02:54.03 | xbmodder_lappy | :( -- they got end of lifed |
| 02:54.17 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 02:54.27 | ScytheBlade1 | replacement product? |
| 02:54.37 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 02:55.04 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, is there one that took over it's position? |
| 02:55.28 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah but I can't find the model number |
| 02:55.41 | ScytheBlade1 | the product I linked is $70 |
| 02:55.44 | xbmodder_lappy | does your laptop have the ability to have an internal card? |
| 02:55.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ORiNOCO chipset, a/b/g, antenna connector |
| 02:56.05 | ScytheBlade1 | it has two cardbus slots |
| 02:56.30 | xbmodder_lappy | PCMCIA? |
| 02:56.43 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 02:56.57 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: why are you looking at these in particular? |
| 02:56.57 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.soekris.com/Pictures/net4521_top.jpg <-- that is what it's going in, to be specific |
| 02:57.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Cantenna! |
| 02:57.13 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/cantennahowto.html |
| 02:57.14 | brac | [How to build a tin can waveguide antenna] |
| 02:58.19 | maquis | etc |
| 02:59.08 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/images/insidepringlesbig.jpg + http://www.soekris.com/Pictures/net4521_top.jpg + http://img.systemaxdev.com/productmedia/K/K-KGN/c0091f97-1061-4de5-86ae-e5c3edd69c65_CTNL_200x200.jpg = AP that runs linux, no moving parts, about 10w power consumption, and R/O file system (read: reboot it all you want, it won't break) |
| 02:59.18 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
| 02:59.27 | xbmodder_lappy | ipw2100 |
| 02:59.32 | xbmodder_lappy | is this an intel machine? |
| 02:59.47 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, no |
| 02:59.52 | ScytheBlade1 | it's......well, did you look? |
| 03:00.07 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.soekris.com/net4521.htm <-- for more info |
| 03:00.08 | brac | [net4521] |
| 03:00.31 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, would you mind hacking the card? |
| 03:00.40 | ScytheBlade1 | define "hacking" |
| 03:01.12 | xbmodder_lappy | opening it up |
| 03:01.18 | xbmodder_lappy | and soddering in a connector? |
| 03:01.25 | ScytheBlade1 | soldering in a connector? eh, I'd really rather not |
| 03:02.05 | xbmodder_lappy | ok! |
| 03:02.25 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, where'd you get that box and how much $$$ |
| 03:02.29 | xbmodder_lappy | soldering. |
| 03:02.35 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.soekris.com/ |
| 03:02.36 | brac | [Soekris Engineering] |
| 03:02.44 | ScytheBlade1 | They have several models, makes, etc |
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| 03:03.04 | ScytheBlade1 | some of which have 7 ethernet with room to grow, and from 100MHz to 233MHz currently |
| 03:03.12 | xbmodder_lappy | too much $$$ |
| 03:03.15 | ScytheBlade1 | their next generation will have 550MHz cpus and quite a bit of stuff |
| 03:03.28 | xbmodder_lappy | maybe: lan1621, PCI Dual ethernet board |
| 03:03.31 | ScytheBlade1 | They're not cheap, no |
| 03:03.34 | ScytheBlade1 | but they work well |
| 03:03.42 | ScytheBlade1 | and that's just a PCI board with two ethernet jacks.. |
| 03:03.55 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 03:05.02 | ScytheBlade1 | either way, that's why I'm looking into those |
| 03:05.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I've built a nice, small distro, and it runs fine |
| 03:05.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm just lacking the wifi card |
| 03:07.02 | ScytheBlade1 | xbmodder_lappy, there's a reason I thought ipw2100 looked familiar (not that I said that) |
| 03:07.09 | ScytheBlade1 | that's the name of the needed driver for a card ;) |
| 03:07.26 | xbmodder_lappy | have you looked at the NSLU2? |
| 03:07.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That also sounds familiar |
| 03:07.54 | xbmodder_lappy | its an embedded linux system by linksys. |
| 03:08.11 | ScytheBlade1 | is that their NAS device? |
| 03:08.48 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, it is |
| 03:08.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I've seen it yes |
| 03:08.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't have much of a use for it |
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| 03:11.48 | stderr | mmm new box |
| 03:11.50 | stderr | lovely |
| 03:13.07 | maquis | stderr: specs? |
| 03:15.41 | stderr | maquis: AMD 64 3400+ 1.5 gigs RAM GeForce FX 5200 80 gig WD 250 gig WD (on IDE, SATA is free, waiting on 2 400 gigs to arrive) with fiber card, wireless b/g, extra 1000 gig nic |
| 03:15.50 | stderr | video card will be 6800 Ultra next week. |
| 03:16.00 | stderr | me == dataw0lf btw |
| 03:16.26 | maquis | WD? |
| 03:16.44 | maquis | stderr: yeah... i knew who you were :) i saw when you changed... although i was curious why :) |
| 03:16.55 | stderr | Western Digital |
| 03:17.00 | stderr | they're raptors I believe. |
| 03:17.00 | maquis | oh |
| 03:17.01 | stderr | unsure |
| 03:17.14 | maquis | nice... what's it going to be used for? |
| 03:17.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got 2x36GB raptors |
| 03:17.16 | stderr | got it for free from work. |
| 03:17.20 | ScytheBlade1 | They're rather nice |
| 03:17.28 | stderr | maquis: development here at home |
| 03:17.32 | stderr | main workstation basically. |
| 03:17.35 | maquis | stderr: nice! |
| 03:17.37 | stderr | yar |
| 03:17.45 | maquis | work buys you a home box? |
| 03:17.49 | maquis | that aint bad |
| 03:17.53 | maquis | what are you sticking on it? |
| 03:18.00 | stderr | maquis: they supply me with TOP OF THE LINE workstations, so I get my old one for free :D |
| 03:18.12 | maquis | debian? gentoo? rhel? etc.. |
| 03:18.14 | stderr | Ubuntu is on it |
| 03:18.18 | maquis | cool |
| 03:18.26 | stderr | I am a Ubuntu developer ;) |
| 03:18.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I've never really liked RPM in general |
| 03:18.53 | stderr | Yeah, I like it. Debian desktop without the hassle. |
| 03:19.06 | stderr | ScytheBlade1: Ubuntu isn't rpm based. |
| 03:19.13 | ScytheBlade1 | duh :P |
| 03:19.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I was thinking of drake for some reason, sorry |
| 03:19.21 | stderr | So what was the context? |
| 03:19.22 | stderr | ah. |
| 03:19.24 | stderr | ok. |
| 03:19.30 | stderr | sorry, thought the duh was smart alecky ;) |
| 03:19.34 | ScytheBlade1 | lol no |
| 03:19.41 | ScytheBlade1 | it was me beating myself ;) |
| 03:19.50 | stderr | gotcha ;-) |
| 03:19.57 | maquis | i've got fc4 at the moment... |
| 03:20.12 | stderr | for both fc4 and gentoo! |
| 03:20.17 | maquis | trying out freebsd on my old box... it's pretty nice, but has a *lot* of things that i'd need to figure out first |
| 03:20.27 | maquis | and i don't know about drivers and such |
| 03:20.30 | stderr | Yeah, I actually put FreeBSD on my work workstation |
| 03:20.39 | stderr | haven't used it in a couple years, need to sharpen up the skills. |
| 03:21.12 | stderr | maquis: it's a bit different, but it's rewarding once you learn it. |
| 03:21.24 | maquis | stderr: the thing i like about freebsd the most is: for me the ideal package management system would incorporate two options: A) something similar to portage, and B) a system to install quickly from binaries... |
| 03:21.26 | stderr | has some 'Unix-isms' that Linux doesn't have. |
| 03:21.39 | stderr | maquis: Yeah. |
| 03:21.42 | stderr | maquis: I like ports. |
| 03:21.48 | stderr | I still prefer dpkg though :D |
| 03:21.59 | maquis | stderr: yeah... i've run into a few unusual things already, but my main concern is drivers... |
| 03:22.11 | maquis | particularly drivers for my wireless card in my main box |
| 03:22.13 | stderr | maquis: for what hardware? |
| 03:22.14 | stderr | ah |
| 03:22.21 | stderr | what type of wireless card? |
| 03:22.30 | maquis | it's intel ipw 2915 |
| 03:22.53 | stderr | I was thoroughly impressed with Ubuntu Breezy's detection and automatic configuration of my wireless card on this box, and I consult for Canonical hehe. |
| 03:22.55 | maquis | it has perfect support in linux (kismet and everything), and works beautifully... |
| 03:23.07 | stderr | yeah, one of the first to have support, if I'm not mistaken. |
| 03:23.17 | maquis | yeah |
| 03:23.32 | ScytheBlade1 | xbmodder_lappy, still there? |
| 03:23.40 | mheath | Anyone want an account on revolution.datamachine.net (running GNU) when I get it up later tonight? |
| 03:23.41 | stderr | maquis: I'll tell you what, I was shocked last night. |
| 03:23.47 | stderr | I'm connected through wireless on this box right now. |
| 03:23.47 | maquis | in my distro hopping so far this semester, 2 of 3 distros auto-detected |
| 03:23.59 | stderr | I downloaded a 3.5 gig torrent over wireless last night in an hour and a half |
| 03:24.07 | maquis | nice |
| 03:24.10 | maquis | do you get kismet? |
| 03:24.24 | mheath | Well, if anyone wants an account, let me know |
| 03:24.28 | stderr | yeah. |
| 03:24.46 | stderr | maquis: kismet is pretty cool. |
| 03:24.55 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, would I have nmap -sP and -sT? |
| 03:24.57 | mheath | Running GNU (change to play with Hurd+Mach)....plus Apache, MySQL, FTP... |
| 03:25.20 | mheath | ScytheBlade1: I don't use nmap often. What are those options? |
| 03:25.22 | stderr | maquis: I like the tcpdump compatible logging, of course. tcpdump is <3 |
| 03:25.24 | mheath | nmap works on GNU |
| 03:25.34 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, options that don't need root to run |
| 03:25.35 | stderr | maquis: And I wrote an interpreter in Python for tcpdump I use internally. |
| 03:25.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ping sweep and tcp connect() scan |
| 03:25.54 | mheath | ScytheBlade1: nmap works on GNU. |
| 03:26.02 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, would I have access to it? :) |
| 03:26.04 | mheath | I'm not sure I want you using my computer to scan things, though. |
| 03:26.12 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 03:26.20 | ScytheBlade1 | good question, and I have an answer |
| 03:26.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I like to mess with my firewall a lot :P |
| 03:27.00 | stderr | mheath: account on what? |
| 03:27.04 | stderr | ah |
| 03:27.13 | stderr | sure. |
| 03:27.16 | mheath | stderr: revolution.datamachine.net, running GNU. |
| 03:27.27 | mheath | (Debian GNU) |
| 03:27.35 | stderr | mheath: you do know I'm dataw0lf though, so :D |
| 03:27.49 | xbmodder_lappy | stderr, == dataw0lf |
| 03:27.56 | stderr | right |
| 03:27.57 | xbmodder_lappy | stderr, that makes alotta sense. |
| 03:27.58 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: thank you for the redundency. |
| 03:28.10 | maquis | stderr: what's the distinction that tcpdump has? /me has never used it |
| 03:28.15 | mheath | stderr: Just don't abuse it. I really don't care. |
| 03:28.17 | xbmodder_lappy | pong |
| 03:28.25 | ScytheBlade1 | xbmodder_lappy, http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/33-106-219-01.JPG <-- would that card have the needed solder points? |
| 03:28.33 | stderr | maquis: distinction insofar as what? It's just a useful tool that's on just about every *nix. |
| 03:28.49 | stderr | maquis: it's nothing really special |
| 03:28.59 | stderr | maquis: just a well rounded tool that's common. |
| 03:29.02 | maquis | stderr: unless i was very mistaken, you mentioned it in response to my comments about kismet... is it related, and if so, what's the distinction |
| 03:29.16 | stderr | maquis: kismet sniffs traffic etc |
| 03:29.23 | stderr | maquis: and produces tcpdump compatible output |
| 03:29.32 | stderr | maquis: so I can use my python tool to read it |
| 03:29.39 | stderr | and am familiar with it |
| 03:29.43 | maquis | stderr: oh... i've just used the curses UI... |
| 03:29.52 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, I believe so my friend has a 2200 and it has a connector. |
| 03:29.54 | maquis | i didn't really know what else kismet does ...:) |
| 03:30.06 | stderr | maquis: ah, you should play around with tcpdump :D |
| 03:30.17 | mheath | I'm installing slackware as we speak, which I'll use to install GNU |
| 03:30.32 | mheath | SHould be all done in about an hour |
| 03:31.00 | ScytheBlade1 | xbmodder_lappy, I'll be getting one of these in the end: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Manufactory=&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=1330%3A14679&PropertyCodeValue=0&description=&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&SubCategory=31&Submit=Property |
| 03:31.02 | brac | [Newegg.com - Once You Know, You Newegg] |
| 03:31.15 | stderr | ack |
| 03:31.20 | maquis | stderr: what's the purpose of becoming stderr ? just for fun? |
| 03:31.25 | ScytheBlade1 | minipci type III - exactly what this board has |
| 03:31.27 | dataw0lf | maquis: I prefer that nick |
| 03:31.30 | dataw0lf | maquis: but it's taken |
| 03:31.33 | maquis | dataw0lf: cool |
| 03:31.39 | dataw0lf | maquis: so for autoops in my other channels I have to switch to dataw0lf |
| 03:31.53 | maquis | oh |
| 03:31.56 | maquis | that makes sense |
| 03:32.01 | stderr | :-) |
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| 03:33.10 | stderr | sup Hhhhh |
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| 03:38.44 | maquis | -lart Hhhhh |
| 03:39.04 | xbmodder_lappy | Anybody know where all the RPMs are on the RH CDs? |
| 03:40.12 | ScytheBlade1 | There's generally a single folder with them all |
| 03:40.31 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 03:40.39 | xbmodder_lappy | during "Linux Rescue" |
| 03:40.48 | Hhhhh | hmm, I'm unpunchable. That line was a lie |
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| 03:50.42 | mheath | meh, I have to get my wisdom teeth out soon =\ |
| 03:50.59 | tensai | mheath: maybe brac can donkey punch them out |
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| 03:51.18 | glass-eye | anyone seen mackstann? |
| 03:51.28 | tensai | ~seen mackstann |
| 03:51.31 | ibot | mackstann <~death@12-217-123-219.client.mchsi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #aegis, 352d 22h 24m 57s ago, saying: 'traceroute?'. |
| 03:51.40 | glass-eye | wow |
| 03:51.44 | mheath | tensai: I think I'll go with the surgical removal, thanks. |
| 03:51.46 | tensai | apparently not around here :) |
| 03:52.15 | glass-eye | tensai: thanks |
| 03:56.18 | elg_ | hrm |
| 03:56.19 | elg_ | /bin/sh ../../../../libtool --silent --mode=link --tag=CXX g++ -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -Wundef -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wconversion -Wchar-subscripts -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -Wwrite-strings -O2 -Wformat-security -Wmissing-format-attribute -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -o rbuic main.o librbuic.la -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/share/qt3/lib |
| 03:56.25 | elg_ | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXinerama |
| 03:56.38 | elg_ | $ ls /usr/X11R6/lib/libXinerama.so.1* |
| 03:56.39 | elg_ | /usr/X11R6/lib/libXinerama.so.1 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXinerama.so.1.0 |
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| 04:02.19 | xbmodder_lappy | VOID IN FLORIDA, ILLINOIS, VERMONT, TENNESSEE, COLORADO AND NEW JERSEY AND WHERE PROHIBITED BY LAW. Open to legal U.S. residents, above the age of majority in which you are a legal US resident. Promotion period: June 1, 2005 to April 15, 2006 . To enter, visit www.redhat.com/training/rules-race4rhca-us.html to read Official Rules. Earn RHCA and enter your essay to compete for the prizes. No additional purchase required. RCHAs who enter are elig |
| 04:02.19 | xbmodder_lappy | write a 1000 word essay to compete for a chance to win a three (3) year lease for a Mini Cooper® vehicle (Apprx. Retail Value (ARV): $17,500.00). Up to 50 RCHAs who enter may also be selected to receive a scale model remote controlled RHCA Shadowman Mini Cooper® (ARV: $75). See Official Rules for the Judging Criteria. Other conditions apply. Not open to government employees, or government contractors whose RHCA course registration is (i) paid |
| 04:02.20 | xbmodder_lappy | ng government contract funding, whether through prime contract or subcontract or (ii) otherwise obtained pursuant to a government contract or prime contract. To receive the car, the winner must be a licensed driver, obtain insurance and comply with all other requirements, as fully described in the Official Rules. Entrants must read all Promotion details and Official Rules before participating. Odds of winning depend on the number of entrants. F |
| 04:02.25 | xbmodder_lappy | ne benefits subject to change. |
| 04:02.28 | xbmodder_lappy | oops I meant to post that in PM |
| 04:04.15 | tensai | elg_: ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/libXinerama.so.1 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXinerama.so |
| 04:04.39 | elg_ | ah, thx |
| 04:04.41 | xbmodder_lappy | above the age of majority in which you are a legal US resident #Does that null me? |
| 04:05.27 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: chanses are you aren't above the age of majority |
| 04:05.34 | xbmodder_lappy | frick. |
| 04:05.35 | maquis | since generally, that's 18 |
| 04:05.43 | xbmodder_lappy | elg, you might wanna "ldconfig" |
| 04:05.49 | xbmodder_lappy | WHY! IDIOTS! |
| 04:05.50 | elg_ | did that |
| 04:06.22 | elg_ | /usr/bin/ld: warning: libstdc++.so.5, needed by /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so, may conflict with libstdc++.so.6 |
| 04:06.29 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: It's a legal issue. |
| 04:06.43 | tensai | elg_: what are you using, gentoo? |
| 04:06.53 | elg_ | debian |
| 04:06.57 | elg_ | sarge |
| 04:07.05 | elg_ | trying to install a decently recent version of qtruby though |
| 04:07.18 | elg_ | to see if an odd ruby bug would go away. that did the trick |
| 04:07.24 | elg_ | but the bug is still there. :( |
| 04:07.27 | mheath | http://www.gnu.org/software/packaging/ |
| 04:07.29 | brac | [The GNU System Packaging Project - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF)] |
| 04:07.43 | mheath | An alpha release of the GNU Operating System is likely to exist soon! |
| 04:07.51 | mheath | Pure GNU goodness |
| 04:09.20 | levi | mheath: How's it different from Debian HURD? |
| 04:09.20 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
| 04:09.29 | xbmodder_lappy | gentoo rocks! |
| 04:10.12 | mheath | levi: not Debian :P |
| 04:10.17 | xbmodder_lappy | RHCA canvas brief. < which is? |
| 04:10.25 | mheath | levi: This is the GNU Operating System and Software Distribution |
| 04:10.46 | elg | GOSSD, pronounced as Napoleon Dynamite would. |
| 04:11.02 | tensai | mheath: does GNU contain any non-gnu software? |
| 04:11.12 | mheath | tensai: No. |
| 04:11.17 | mheath | It's compatible with non-gnu software |
| 04:11.46 | levi | So, if Debian GNU/Linux is the GNU OS with a Linux kernel, then Debian GNU/HURD must be the GNU OS with the GNU kernel, and I don't see what the big deal about some other package distribution scheme is. |
| 04:11.47 | tensai | finally, elg left. boy was he getting annoying |
| 04:12.35 | tensai | oh, wait. he did really leave. now I just sound mean |
| 04:12.46 | mheath | levi: Debian GNU/Hurd is the Debian software distribution; that version just happens to use GNU/Hurd+Mach |
| 04:13.02 | xbmodder_lappy | Would any body here be willing to sponsor me for my RHCA? |
| 04:13.19 | xbmodder_lappy | they might get a car... |
| 04:13.19 | mheath | levi: as opposed to official releases/builds of GNU, which are, as I said, the GNU Operating System and Software Distribution |
| 04:13.20 | tensai | I promise I thought elg_ was still around |
| 04:13.46 | mheath | (Those aren't official name, I'm just verbosing them to better explain it) |
| 04:13.57 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: if the person sponsoring you for your RHCA might get a car, why don't you just sell the car, use that money to do the RHCA, and they can get a car themselves? |
| 04:14.27 | levi | mheath: Which, indeed, are pretty darn near completely irrelevant at this point. Silly GNU people and their NIH syndrome. |
| 04:14.43 | mheath | levi: It's entirely different. |
| 04:15.02 | mheath | The Debian GNU/Hurd distribution is a collection of all the software in the main apt-get repositories |
| 04:15.17 | mheath | The GNU software distribution is the GNU software. |
| 04:15.25 | levi | Right, which is amazingly more useful than a collection of only GNU software. |
| 04:16.21 | levi | But since GNU is more concerned with ideological purity than usefulness... |
| 04:16.22 | goozbach | maquis: because he has to win the car by becoming on of the first 50 RHCAs |
| 04:16.33 | maquis | goozbach: oh... |
| 04:16.37 | goozbach | and even then there's a chance he might not |
| 04:16.44 | maquis | hmmm |
| 04:16.48 | maquis | yeah... that doesn't work |
| 04:16.54 | goozbach | one car, raffled off to the first 50 RHCAs |
| 04:16.54 | mheath | levi: usefulness? Are your computers unuseful? |
| 04:17.01 | mheath | I assume you have some GNU/Linux computers. |
| 04:17.09 | goozbach | SYS-V init++ |
| 04:17.59 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, its a lease |
| 04:18.02 | mheath | SYS-V init wouldn't even be necessary on GNU, really |
| 04:18.07 | levi | mheath: Um, yes. They run Debian, which is a big part of the usefulness! |
| 04:18.13 | tensai | goozbach: left_leg->insert(); right_leg->insert(); zipper->zip_up(); belt->buckle(); |
| 04:18.20 | levi | mheath: It's not necessary anywhere. |
| 04:18.20 | maquis | goozbach: i'm glad you figured out your pants... theyr'e very important |
| 04:18.41 | levi | mheath: I can write my own init in Linux, if I want. And I've done so, when it suited my purposes. |
| 04:19.08 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: if i were going to pay the money that it costs to get rhca certificiation, i would spend it on myself... |
| 04:19.24 | mheath | levi: I mean, that when more software exists that supports Hurd translators, *all* of the stuff that common sysv init scripts do right now could be replaced with one file with settrans commands |
| 04:20.07 | mheath | be back in a few minutes...going to the other side of the room to finish installing Debian GNU/Hurd |
| 04:20.26 | levi | mheath: And then it'll be incompatible with all the handy Debian GNU/Hurd packages. |
| 04:21.26 | tensai | -urls |
| 04:21.26 | brac | [2005/10/17 22:07:28] <mheath> http://www.gnu.org/software/packaging/ |
| 04:21.26 | brac | [2005/10/17 21:31:02] <ScytheBlade1> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Manufactory=&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=1330%3A14679&PropertyCodeValue=0&description=&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&SubCategory=31&Submit=Property |
| 04:21.26 | brac | [2005/10/17 21:28:26] <ScytheBlade1> http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/33-106-219-01.JPG |
| 04:21.26 | brac | [2005/10/17 21:02:36] <ScytheBlade1> http://www.soekris.com/ |
| 04:21.39 | tensai | brac: no, the one jsmith posted! |
| 04:21.48 | mheath | levi: half the guys doing porting to Debian GNU/Hurd don't even use it. |
| 04:22.25 | levi | Well, that's not really surprising. |
| 04:23.10 | levi | Anyway, wake me up when RMS realizes his dream of making Lisp a first-class citizen in GNU again. |
| 04:23.16 | levi | Then I'll be interested. |
| 04:23.36 | goozbach | gino's east++ |
| 04:23.46 | goozbach | best pizza in chicago |
| 04:24.24 | levi | Hmm. Some guys at work were just talking about that place and some others in Chicago. |
| 04:24.37 | levi | I don't think that's the one they said was the best, but I'm not sure. |
| 04:25.07 | mheath | levi: want an account on this box? |
| 04:25.42 | levi | mheath: Nope, not really. |
| 04:26.08 | mheath | Going to double as a webserver, too |
| 04:26.17 | mheath | installing apache, and the ftp translator |
| 04:26.39 | Newsome | goozbach: which restaurant did you go to? |
| 04:27.54 | tensai | anybody know of a good in-depth resource on ipv6 covering Linux, Cisco and *shudder* Windows? |
| 04:32.40 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, but then you aren't immensely bored. |
| 04:32.54 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: ??? |
| 04:32.57 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, and nor do you have anywhere to spend 200 bucks a month |
| 04:33.13 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: what are you replying to? |
| 04:33.45 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: do groceries count as a place to spend money? (not 200$/month, but still plenty) |
| 04:34.26 | fishyfire | i think he is talking about the comment you made about the fact that you would spend the money on yourself |
| 04:34.47 | goozbach | gino's east |
| 04:35.00 | levi | I could easily spend a lot more than $200 a month on a lot of things. :) |
| 04:35.16 | fishyfire | yeah, that would be easy to spend! |
| 04:35.31 | maquis | i'm not sure what his comment about spending 200$/month is, though |
| 04:35.46 | maquis | i certainly can spend 200$/month just on necessities, without any trouble |
| 04:36.12 | maquis | gas + electricity + internet, etc... |
| 04:36.13 | fishyfire | maybe that's how much it costs? i dunno |
| 04:36.31 | maquis | fishyfire: my understanding is that the rhca is a good bit more than that |
| 04:36.37 | fishyfire | hmm.. okay |
| 04:36.40 | maquis | at least the rhce is more than that |
| 04:36.43 | fishyfire | never looked into that |
| 04:37.27 | Newsome | goozbach: there are 11 Gino's East locations |
| 04:37.38 | fishyfire | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.47 | goozbach | umm the one on wells |
| 04:38.00 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: do you have trouble spending 200$/month? |
| 04:38.04 | Newsome | cool |
| 04:38.21 | goozbach | xbmodder_lappy: give it to the charity I started |
| 04:38.23 | maquis | if so, i recommend getting an apartment, buying your own food, paying utilities, etc |
| 04:38.36 | goozbach | Childern Against a Society of Hipocrits |
| 04:38.50 | fishyfire | and then take up fly fishing... |
| 04:38.50 | maquis | childern? |
| 04:38.51 | goozbach | make the check payable to C.A.S.H. |
| 04:39.00 | goozbach | children |
| 04:39.03 | goozbach | bah |
| 04:39.08 | maquis | :-P |
| 04:40.03 | goozbach | something trivial ala netcat |
| 04:40.30 | goozbach | yet it should fork correctly and run in the background without needing a & |
| 04:40.43 | maquis | ????? |
| 04:41.27 | goozbach | I'm looking for a pantsd |
| 04:41.38 | goozbach | to run in my pants service |
| 04:41.46 | goozbach | or run as my pants service |
| 04:42.56 | goozbach | maquis: I'm writing a sys-v init script to teach people how to do so |
| 04:43.17 | maquis | what does it so? |
| 04:43.24 | goozbach | I need a long running process which will just sit in the background and do nothing |
| 04:43.45 | goozbach | I was using netcat, but it doesn't fork |
| 04:44.03 | maquis | hmmm |
| 04:44.06 | goozbach | so I have to use & and that doesn't work well with the SYS-V functions |
| 04:44.23 | goozbach | it'd be nice to have a network aware service as well |
| 04:45.02 | goozbach | I could do it in perl really quick like, but I'd like my service to have as few dependancies as possible |
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| 04:46.32 | fishyfire | silly gaim.... it feels the need to kill all my connections every once in a while |
| 04:48.58 | goozbach | to rayos with the network listening daemon |
| 04:49.10 | goozbach | I'm just gonna go with the simple forked c program |
| 04:51.17 | tensai | goozbach: inetd? |
| 04:52.49 | goozbach | tensai: SYS-V |
| 04:53.01 | goozbach | I'm trying to write a SYS-V init script |
| 04:53.26 | tensai | goozbach: no, I mean to be your network daemon |
| 04:53.33 | goozbach | I could accomplish a listening daemon easily with inetd |
| 04:53.54 | goozbach | but inetd managed service are not controled with sys-v |
| 04:54.05 | goozbach | they're controled via inetd |
| 04:54.21 | tensai | but inetd itself starts via sysv |
| 04:54.47 | goozbach | yes |
| 04:54.57 | tensai | just brain storming |
| 04:55.08 | goozbach | but my pants service should be a stand alone daemon |
| 04:55.41 | tensai | I've got a simple http server written in perl. wrote it for school. |
| 04:55.49 | tensai | you'd certainly be welcome to it |
| 04:57.01 | goozbach | I was looking for something in C preferablly, minimizes dependancies |
| 04:57.38 | goozbach | I'm just gonna go with the backgrounded loop |
| 04:57.43 | tensai | uses only std perl, no libraries |
| 04:57.52 | goozbach | s/backgrounded/forked/ |
| 04:57.57 | goozbach | thanks anywho |
| 04:58.31 | maquis | goozbach: is it possible to write something in C that just sits there and waits for a request, and when it gets one, it returns something silly like your quote about forgetting your pants from a couple weeks back, and run that as a daemon? |
| 04:58.39 | maquis | or am i completely misunderstanding what you want to do? |
| 04:58.49 | tensai | goozbach: but it's got directory traversal exploits... |
| 04:59.04 | goozbach | maquis: that's exactly what I'm looking for |
| 04:59.12 | tensai | or it used to. I might have fixed them. |
| 04:59.23 | maquis | goozbach: why not write it yourself? |
| 04:59.52 | goozbach | a C app which binds to a port, forks to the background, and when it receives a connection prints "hello" or something |
| 05:00.08 | goozbach | maquis: cause my C skilz are all but non-existant anymore |
| 05:00.46 | maquis | goozbach: if it's a pants server, you have to make it print something about pants |
| 05:01.03 | maquis | as far as binding to a port, i'm not certain... you could ask someone who knows c, though |
| 05:01.12 | goozbach | I tried tonight |
| 05:01.19 | maquis | sjansen would probabbly be able/willing to make ti for you... same with emcnabb |
| 05:01.38 | goozbach | went through a sockets tutorial |
| 05:01.42 | goozbach | didn't work though |
| 05:02.09 | maquis | there are people who actally know this stuff around... |
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| 05:02.33 | maquis | my guess is that it'd be *really* easy for someone who knew what they're doing |
| 05:02.40 | goozbach | anyone who's listening: it's worth dinner |
| 05:04.16 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 05:06.55 | goozbach | a C app which binds to a getopt specified tcp port, fork to the background(like a daemon), and return to a client the contents of a file in /etc |
| 05:07.36 | goozbach | when said client telnets to said port. |
| 05:08.31 | maquis | tensai: if/when you get it, can i have a copy to see how it's done? |
| 05:09.38 | goozbach | plus dessert |
| 05:09.43 | maquis | mmmm |
| 05:09.45 | maquis | dessert |
| 05:10.10 | maquis | er |
| 05:10.12 | maquis | bounty |
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| 05:11.45 | RyanE_ | goozbach: I've got something that will do the network portions, but not with getopt, and not opening the file from /etc |
| 05:11.51 | RyanE_ | easy to modify to do that |
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| 05:13.21 | fishyfire | bummer... the dryer's broken |
| 05:13.34 | mheath-hurd | :) |
| 05:13.38 | maquis | just not the rest of it |
| 05:13.44 | goozbach | first to email a working solution to goozbach@friocorte.com |
| 05:13.45 | maquis | fishyfire: i'm sorry... that sucks |
| 05:14.34 | fishyfire | lol... at least we have management people that have to fix it |
| 05:14.38 | goozbach | wins that is. |
| 05:15.50 | goozbach | (not responsable for lost or misdirected mail, void where prohibited, no purchase nessisary) |
| 05:15.57 | RyanE_ | including getopt and reading specified file? What file in /etc? |
| 05:16.49 | goozbach | make the file read another getopt option |
| 05:17.09 | goozbach | (earn that dessert) |
| 05:17.13 | goozbach | :) |
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| 05:18.25 | mheath-hurd | There we go |
| 05:18.35 | mheath-hurd | This IRC client is annoying |
| 05:18.58 | mheath-hurd | GNU hurd 0.3 GNU-Mach 1.3/Hurd-0.3 i686-AT386 GNU |
| 05:20.17 | mheath-hurd | Who wanted a user account? |
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| 05:26.43 | stderr | heh |
| 05:26.47 | stderr | just goes to show |
| 05:26.52 | stderr | you can't even give out hurd. |
| 05:26.54 | stderr | :D |
| 05:28.06 | mheath | stderr: its ircII |
| 05:28.08 | mheath | Not used to it |
| 05:28.30 | mheath | I didn't mean to /part, I'm sitting in another channel and reading docs on how to be in multiple channels with ircII |
| 05:28.36 | mheath | stderr: do you want an account? |
| 05:28.42 | stderr | No thanks. |
| 05:28.49 | stderr | I have enough boxes to remember passwords to as it is |
| 05:29.13 | mheath | meh, you said earlier you wanted an account |
| 05:29.16 | mheath | *shrug* |
| 05:29.35 | stderr | really? |
| 05:29.40 | stderr | I've been drinking. |
| 05:29.53 | stderr | thanks though. |
| 05:30.55 | mheath | If anyone else wants an account, let me know. |
| 05:31.47 | fishyfire | an account to what? |
| 05:32.20 | mheath | fishyfire: revolution.datamachine.net |
| 05:32.28 | mheath | GNU hurd 0.3 GNU-Mach 1.3/Hurd-0.3 i686-AT386 GNU |
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| 05:35.30 | SpecialK | ~lart maquis |
| 05:35.33 | fishyfire | well the connection was refused to that site... so i gues i don't want one |
| 05:36.25 | mheath | fishyfire: ssh to 67.161.213.34 was refused? |
| 05:36.28 | mheath | hold on |
| 05:36.37 | mheath | be back in a second |
| 05:36.46 | fishyfire | no i just typed it into the web browser |
| 05:36.51 | fishyfire | no ssh anything |
| 05:37.18 | mheath | fishyfire: that would be because I haven't set up apache yet :P |
| 05:37.28 | fishyfire | oh okay |
| 05:38.54 | RyanE_ | tensai: did you get goozbach's app written? |
| 05:40.00 | RyanE_ | maquis: still awake? |
| 05:40.44 | tensai | RyanE: just about. adding getopt |
| 05:40.49 | RyanE | http://www.ericksonfamily.com/public/test.c |
| 05:40.55 | RyanE | already sent it. :) |
| 05:42.31 | Newsome | hrm |
| 05:45.34 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE, what does it do? |
| 05:45.55 | maquis | http://louhi.kempele.fi/~skyostil/archive/dump/flash/icons.swf |
| 05:46.01 | maquis | RyanE: yeah... |
| 05:46.27 | tensai | maquis: http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/tmp/goozbach.c |
| 05:46.34 | RyanE | It takes 2 command-line parameters (from getopt), port and filename. It then starts a listening socket, waits for connections, and then sends the file. |
| 05:47.32 | RyanE | very cool, and very similar. |
| 05:47.41 | RyanE | I think I beat tensai by a few minutes |
| 05:47.47 | maquis | question |
| 05:47.52 | RyanE | assuming no email 'issues'... |
| 05:48.06 | maquis | why did one of those just display in the browser, and the other wanted to download? |
| 05:48.12 | tensai | RyanE: only so many ways to skin a cat. yeah, I think you beat me. |
| 05:48.17 | RyanE | I was wondering that as well. |
| 05:48.36 | RyanE | maybe the mime-type is being set for tensai's version, and mine is set to text/plain |
| 05:48.40 | RyanE | that's my guess. |
| 05:48.41 | maquis | Newsome: you're welcome to post your solution as well... i'm curious |
| 05:48.48 | maquis | i won't offer a 20$ dinner, though |
| 05:48.56 | RyanE | I had to 'man getopt' to remember it |
| 05:49.09 | tensai | Content-Type: text/x-csrc |
| 05:49.15 | Newsome | text/plain for http://www.ericksonfamily.com/public/test.c and text/x-csrc for http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/tmp/goozbach.c |
| 05:49.48 | RyanE | I think I only beat tensai because my filename was named 'test.c', which is *much* faster to type than 'goozbach.c'. :) |
| 05:50.04 | Newsome | haha |
| 05:50.38 | maquis | ha |
| 05:51.23 | tensai | that was a fun way to make my wife stay up past her bedtime. 'night all |
| 05:51.30 | maquis | gnight |
| 05:51.39 | RyanE | night |
| 05:51.53 | RyanE | my wife has been in bed 3+ hours... |
| 05:52.56 | RyanE | I always wonder how many couples are both 'morning people' or both 'night owls', and how many are mixed, as are my wife and I. |
| 05:53.46 | maquis | RyanE: my assumption is that it would make certain things more difficult.... |
| 05:54.23 | RyanE | maquis: like what? I've got 5 kids. :) |
| 05:54.43 | maquis | RyanE: good point |
| 05:55.03 | levi | RyanE: My wife and I are mixed. She's fast asleep, too. :) |
| 05:56.58 | RyanE | We used to try to go to bed at the same time, but that would just keep her awake. I think she prefers being asleep before my snoring starts. :) |
| 05:58.43 | levi | We occasionally go to bed at the same time, but she has to get to work early, and I HATE waking up in the morning and my boss doesn't make me get in before 9, so getting up early rarely happens. |
| 06:00.37 | maquis | haha |
| 06:01.27 | RyanE | yeah, same here other than the wife doesn't go to work. The kids get her up early. |
| 06:10.32 | levi | Time for me to sleep! |
| 06:10.39 | RyanE | night |
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| 07:00.23 | Newsome | maquis: you still around? |
| 07:07.00 | maquis | Newsome: kinda |
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| 13:00.18 | graphyx | morning |
| 13:08.21 | goozbach | and the winner is... |
| 13:12.51 | goozbach | well RyanE finished first IRC wise, but I've only got an email from tensai ... |
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| 13:19.03 | goozbach | but neither complied with all the specifications of the program... |
| 13:26.25 | goozbach | but seeing as how they both solve the problem I was facing, and I was able to solve the other, You both win a breakfast sandwich combo of your choice |
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| 13:46.05 | hans | hey, I want a a breakfast sandwich combo |
| 13:46.30 | goozbach | hans: you didn't write me my program |
| 13:46.46 | goozbach | you snooze you lose |
| 13:46.55 | hans | i've been discriminated against |
| 13:47.46 | maquis | goozbach: can i have a breakfast sandwich combo? |
| 13:47.49 | maquis | i helped a bit.... |
| 13:48.07 | goozbach | maquis: you still owe me ice cream |
| 13:49.59 | hans | ~steak breakfast sandwich |
| 13:50.04 | hans | er, |
| 13:50.09 | hans | ~steal breakfast sandwich |
| 13:50.12 | ibot | ACTION grabs breakfast sandwich and gives it to sjansen |
| 13:56.03 | graphyx | hans... umm... steak |
| 14:10.50 | graphyx | Hey can anyone help me out with a little perl? |
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| 14:11.35 | maquis | graphyx: you might have to follow on what goo did... |
| 14:11.59 | maquis | if one person bribes for help, and someone else just asks for help... :-) |
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| 14:23.35 | tensai | goozbach: which design spec did I miss? |
| 14:25.44 | Newsome | the fork() I believe |
| 14:27.39 | tensai | as I read the spec I only saw a requirement to fork() for each client. shoot, it's not in the logs yet. |
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| 14:28.28 | tensai | I think you're right, but that's easy to add. if (fork()) exit(0); |
| 14:30.39 | maquis | hmmm |
| 14:31.20 | maquis | in my classes, they always ran the fork before the if, then stored the value into a variable, and then did the if-statement... |
| 14:31.29 | maquis | it does the same thing |
| 14:31.43 | tensai | wastes a variable if you don't need the pid |
| 14:31.45 | maquis | it's just... for those of us who don't know what we're doing, it's a bit more readable... :) |
| 14:32.03 | maquis | tensai: true... |
| 14:32.19 | maquis | although... i generally don't run out of variables too often |
| 14:32.55 | hans | maquis: if (fork()) is more succinct |
| 14:33.00 | maquis | hans: yes... |
| 14:33.06 | maquis | but less obvious to some of us :) |
| 14:33.38 | maquis | be back in an hour |
| 14:33.41 | maquis | er |
| 14:33.44 | maquis | hour.5 |
| 14:33.48 | hans | either way you're checking the return value of fork(). I think you mean it's less comfortable |
| 14:33.54 | hans | and breaking out of your comfort zone is good. |
| 14:34.17 | tensai | o/~ break on through to the other side ~/o |
| 14:37.23 | tensai | ~lart hotmail support |
| 14:38.14 | tensai | on the one hand, they closed down the account I complained about. on the other hand, they included the original spam message in their response and it thus triggered my spam filter. |
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| 14:50.51 | tensai | wow. that was fun. my neighbor actually clicked on one of those "your account has been disabled" emails |
| 14:51.19 | tensai | the virus apparently kills task manager. it loads up and then exits. |
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| 15:19.03 | RyanE | goozbach: I don't remember the fork() requirement... dang. |
| 15:19.25 | RyanE | yep. there it is... 'forks to the background'. I thought since you were writing startup scripts, that you'd just run them in daemon mode. |
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| 15:24.14 | LightGuard | Wow, mack was right, lots of people here. |
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| 15:27.23 | LightGuard | Hi all! |
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| 15:29.55 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 15:30.08 | LightGuard | Hi. |
| 15:30.48 | lars-ut | Salve |
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| 15:40.09 | jsmith | lars-ut: Watch out for those depth charges! |
| 15:40.31 | lars-ut | XO, you have the con |
| 15:41.13 | jsmith | 15 degress down angle on the bow planes, prepare to come to a heading of 270 degrees on my mark... |
| 15:41.34 | lars-ut | lol |
| 15:41.58 | lars-ut | CAG - secure that civilian! |
| 15:42.20 | lars-ut | ~spell civilian |
| 15:42.27 | lars-ut | ~spell tired |
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| 15:43.00 | lars-ut | oh yeah, I need to fire off a Catan announcement... |
| 15:43.35 | lars-ut | not sure why this mariner talk reminded me of that |
| 15:44.36 | lars-ut | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/79be/ |
| 15:44.38 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Mind Molester] |
| 15:44.56 | lars-ut | nice one brac - you're getting smarter every day. |
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| 15:59.12 | maquis | yay for another interesting bio class |
| 16:04.11 | graphyx | lars-ut: The real kicker is that the device is $25. |
| 16:04.21 | graphyx | You can get a fully functional laptop for $400 |
| 16:04.52 | lars-ut | such a device would get inside my head after 3 chirps. |
| 16:05.22 | lars-ut | These would be worth $20, though: http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/770f/ |
| 16:05.23 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Curiously Strong Magnets] |
| 16:06.15 | levi | Heh, that Mind Molester probably consists of less than a dollar's worth of parts in quantity. Nice margin on that thing... |
| 16:08.15 | maquis | overpriced item: 25$.... watching your subject lose their mind: priceless |
| 16:09.56 | maquis | http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/770f/action/21106db/ |
| 16:09.58 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Curiously Strong Magnets :: Action Shots] |
| 16:15.21 | lars-ut | http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/6748/action/ |
| 16:15.22 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Acrobots :: Action Shots] |
| 16:15.33 | hans | the levitator looks cool too |
| 16:15.34 | hans | http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/5bb6/ |
| 16:15.36 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Levitron - Anti-Gravity Top] |
| 16:16.55 | harleypig | Wow ... that's some serious warning on those mazgnets. |
| 16:17.06 | lars-ut | I noticed that too |
| 16:17.34 | lars-ut | makes me want more. |
| 16:17.58 | lars-ut | I've been getting by with a few pieces cannibalized from hard drives |
| 16:18.13 | harleypig | oooo ... check out the last item on the "Some possible uses" page: Light saber plasma beam stabalizers. |
| 16:19.03 | Tene_ | lars-ut: what do you use the magnets for? |
| 16:19.57 | harleypig | http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/6758/ |
| 16:19.59 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: ROMP (Random Oscillating Magnetic Pendulum)] |
| 16:20.13 | harleypig | Hook that sucker up to /dev/random ... :> |
| 16:20.27 | lars-ut | Tene_: holding screws & having something besides blue 'Enlightenment' putty at my desk |
| 16:21.03 | lars-ut | currently they're holding several ~4mm bbs(shot?) as well |
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| 16:23.12 | lars-ut | Tene_: I also used the magents on either side of a hard drive that had crashed, right before I sent it back for RMA |
| 16:23.30 | lars-ut | not sure if that did anything, but I wasted 15min on it for piece of mind |
| 16:24.09 | lars-ut | Jayce^: r u harleypig's boss? |
| 16:24.38 | Jayce^ | not at right now.. |
| 16:25.41 | hans | not at wrong now either. |
| 16:26.33 | harleypig | :D No, but he's a fairly good conscience. |
| 16:27.01 | harleypig | Although I'm trying to use VimOutliner to make that a little less onerous on him. |
| 16:27.36 | Jayce^ | is that your 'druid' spot? :-p |
| 16:27.40 | Jayce^ | </inside joke |
| 16:27.41 | lars-ut | Jayce^ =~ Jiminy Cricket ? |
| 16:28.02 | harleypig | :D |
| 16:28.14 | harleypig | What a mental image! |
| 16:28.44 | Jayce^ | harleypig, was interesting meeting your brother at plug the other day |
| 16:30.26 | harleypig | ? Which one? I didn't realize he (either) was going. |
| 16:30.43 | Jayce^ | his first time... |
| 16:30.52 | Jayce^ | was it Mike? cant' remember the first name now |
| 16:32.25 | harleypig | Dark blonde, almost as big as me? |
| 16:32.46 | lars-ut | laptop wireless card recommendations? A family member wants to mooch maximum wireless signals & is asking for a recommendation |
| 16:33.37 | Jayce^ | not blonde no |
| 16:34.49 | harleypig | Anybody heard of http://postsecret.blogspot.com ? |
| 16:34.50 | brac | [PostSecret] |
| 16:35.05 | harleypig | I've gotten hooked in just the last few days. |
| 16:40.04 | tensai | lars-ut: something with an external antenna |
| 16:42.24 | hans | what's the cmd to auth someone for your X display? |
| 16:43.35 | levi | hans: xhost? |
| 16:46.52 | graphyx | lars-ut: Just get something with a prism chipset and an external antenna |
| 16:48.57 | lars-ut | graphyx: but not a PrismGT chipset, right? http://www.cr0.net:8040/code/network/aircrack/#q080 |
| 16:48.59 | brac | [aircrack documentation] |
| 16:49.29 | graphyx | probably. |
| 16:49.40 | graphyx | I haven't done any of that recently so I haven't keep on top of it. |
| 16:49.57 | lars-ut | Which is the best card to buy ? ( http://www.cr0.net:8040/code/network/aircrack/#q0A0 ) |
| 16:49.59 | brac | [aircrack documentation] |
| 16:50.22 | lars-ut | graphx: do you use an external antenna? |
| 16:50.36 | lars-ut | s/graphx/graphyx |
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| 16:57.49 | harleypig | Start Trek comes to life (again): http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123012131 |
| 16:57.50 | brac | [Air Force testing new transparent armor ] |
| 16:58.04 | harleypig | They're calling it transparent aluminum. |
| 16:58.15 | harleypig | err ... s/Start/Star/ |
| 16:59.46 | Hhhhh | long die Star Trek |
| 16:59.54 | Hhhhh | j/k |
| 17:00.03 | levi | Apparently the Salt Lake County Library system has the Star Trek original series DVDs. My wife checked one of them out yesterday. :) |
| 17:00.21 | harleypig | Which one? |
| 17:00.27 | Hhhhh | hmm, Star Trek is ok but the hype behind is pretty silly |
| 17:03.34 | levi | Well, /you/ don't have to check the DVD out. |
| 17:03.37 | hans | what hype? there's far more anti-hype than hype |
| 17:03.55 | lars-ut | (insert sci-fi segue) While I was wasting time on thinkgeek this morning I noticed I new t-shirt: 'Joss Whedon is my new master' - in a Star Wars-like typeface. |
| 17:05.14 | lars-ut | I usually recommend movies by saying 'It's worth seeing' - I believe in keeping my expectations for movies low. Serenity is worth seeing. |
| 17:05.14 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, yeah, Scott from PVP made it |
| 17:05.25 | Jayce^ | he's actually seen it.. thought it was funny |
| 17:05.34 | lars-ut | PVP? |
| 17:06.05 | Jayce^ | pvponline.com |
| 17:06.12 | Jayce^ | EXCELLENT webcomic |
| 17:06.15 | Jayce^ | :) |
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| 17:29.04 | goozbach | hmm... I'm gonna have to try this bribe thing more often |
| 17:29.11 | Jayce^ | ? |
| 17:29.24 | goozbach | I got two really good solutions which when combined worked like a charm |
| 17:29.35 | goozbach | I offered a bounty on this program I needed |
| 17:29.43 | brac | [eBay: Cisco Wardriving Kit 802.11b war driving 11 drive omni (item 5819176976 end time Oct-23-05 18:32:09 PDT)] |
| 17:29.45 | goozbach | I didn't have the skills myself |
| 17:30.05 | Newsome | goozbach: got everything you need? |
| 17:30.16 | goozbach | yup |
| 17:30.20 | Newsome | cool |
| 17:30.20 | Tene_ | goo: how much of a bounty? |
| 17:30.59 | goozbach | a little bit of both programs combined with my own fork implementation and volia! |
| 17:31.16 | goozbach | Tene_: I'd offered a reasonable dinner |
| 17:31.20 | Tene_ | s/volia/viola/ |
| 17:31.24 | Newsome | they both looked like pretty good implementations |
| 17:31.26 | Tene_ | Yay, food! |
| 17:32.02 | Tene_ | anyone here know what "FAT: Directory bread(block 81) failed" would indicate? |
| 17:32.31 | goozbach | but since neither implemntation covered EVERY criteria and they both finshed near each other, and the fact that I used both sources. I'm giving both a breakfast sandwich combo of their choice |
| 17:32.37 | Tene_ | followed by the visual display on the system going wonky for a bit (not necessarily related)? |
| 17:32.49 | tensai | Tene_: put the directory bread back in the oven for 15 minutes at 350 degrees |
| 17:32.53 | Tene_ | heh |
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| 17:33.10 | goozbach | just block 81 of the bread |
| 17:33.25 | goozbach | don't crouton the rest of it |
| 17:33.38 | tensai | Tene_: sounds like a bad disk to me |
| 17:33.41 | Newsome | goozbach: feel free to grab stuff out of this one as well - http://www.tuxrocks.com/tmp/goo_serv.c |
| 17:34.00 | lars-ut | me quotes himself from an email sent earlier this morning: 'I'll have a Chipotle Southwest Cheese Steak with pepperjack cheese, spinach, chipotle sauce, mayo, olive oil, banana peppers, and pepper on toasted Italian herb bread.' |
| 17:34.25 | tensai | lars-ut: that's an awesome setup. I've also heard that 802.11b gets better range than 802.11g. |
| 17:34.30 | lars-ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.41 | lars-ut | tensai: whew |
| 17:35.10 | lars-ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.23 | lars-ut | in this case family that mooches. |
| 17:35.33 | tensai | lars-ut: something about the slower speeds having more time to do the negotiations |
| 17:35.43 | goozbach | it's a good thing I can read C |
| 17:36.02 | goozbach | cause if not I could really get in trouble running these programs as root :) |
| 17:36.23 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:37.46 | tensai | that's the whole point of the obfuscated voting contest. http://graphics.stanford.edu/~danielrh/vote/vote.html |
| 17:37.47 | brac | [Daniel's Obfuscated-V Contest] |
| 17:42.02 | goozbach | Newsome: thanks for the code, but no breakfast sandwich for you! :) |
| 17:42.57 | Newsome | goozbach: no problem :) |
| 17:52.20 | goozbach | Newsome, tensai, and RyanE: thanks |
| 18:06.07 | tensai | ~seen sjansen |
| 18:06.12 | ibot | sjansen <n=sjansen@buscaluz.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 1d 19h 32m 8s ago, saying: '~lart lighttpd'. |
| 18:15.30 | Tene_ | ~seen the moon |
| 18:15.32 | ibot | Tene_: i haven't seen 'the moon' |
| 18:31.53 | hans | ~shoot the moon |
| 18:31.54 | ibot | ACTION shoots the moon in the foot with a cork gun! |
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| 19:15.07 | goozbach | penny-arcade++ |
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| 19:28.25 | graphyx | ~seen Titanic |
| 19:28.27 | ibot | titanic <~CodeYoddl@12.242.131.241> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 880d 15h 22m 33s ago, saying: 'All watch'. |
| 19:29.12 | maquis | 880 days? wow |
| 19:29.15 | RyanE | I wish *I* hadn't seen Titanic. |
| 19:29.34 | levi | Heh. The ~seen times are obviously a bit off. |
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| 19:36.08 | hans | -lart vontrapp |
| 19:36.30 | hans | ~isdn |
| 19:36.32 | ibot | it has been said that isdn is (Integrated Services Digital Network) This is a digital line that is often used to connect to the Internet. It generally come in two flavors: one is a 56 Kbps version, which in actuality only uses half of the ISDN line's bandwidth; the other is the 128 Kbps version, which uses both the 56 Kbps channels on the line. However, that's ... |
| 19:36.55 | hans | ~ISDN is also "It Still Does Nothing" |
| 19:36.58 | ibot | hans: okay |
| 19:38.33 | Tene | ~ISDN |
| 19:38.35 | ibot | i guess isdn is (Integrated Services Digital Network) This is a digital line that is often used to connect to the Internet. It generally come in two flavors: one is a 56 Kbps version, which in actuality only uses half of the ISDN line's bandwidth; the other is the 128 Kbps version, which uses both the 56 Kbps channels on the line. However, that's only 112 ... |
| 19:38.37 | jsmith | ~PRI |
| 19:38.39 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, pri is Primary Rate Interface, often called T1 or E1 (European Standard). E1 offers 30 ISDN B-Channels a 64kBit/s + 1 D-Channel with 64kBit/s. The T1 has 23 B-Channels + 1 D-Channel. Cards to use with *: T100P, E100P, TE410P, etc. |
| 19:39.02 | jsmith | Nice :-) |
| 19:39.07 | jsmith | ~CAS |
| 19:39.09 | tensai | jsmith: http://www.zmonkey.org/blog/node/53 |
| 19:39.11 | brac | [Asterisk: The Future of Telephony | zmonkey.org] |
| 19:39.18 | Tene | ~utopia |
| 19:39.21 | ibot | methinks utopia is a term that sometimes carries the meanings: "an imaginary island described in Sir Thomas More's "Utopia" (1516) as enjoying perfection in law, politics, etc." or even "an ideal place or state." and every once in a while, "a visionary system of political or social perfection." and of course is a goal that, albeit a bit lofty at times, is ... |
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| 19:40.29 | jsmith | tensai: Go put that review on slashdot and/or amazon, would you please? |
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| 19:41.43 | tensai | slashdot is a no-go. I've sworn that hive of villany off. I'll see about Amazon... |
| 19:42.45 | RyanE | jsmith: is the IAXy they're selling here the same / better / worse than the orange-and-blue one you showed at UVSC? http://shop.ifax.com/product_info.php?products_id=68 |
| 19:42.47 | brac | [iFAX Solutions] |
| 19:43.32 | jsmith | RyanE: Better... I just got ahold of one of the grey ones this last week :-) |
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| 19:44.23 | RyanE | so it's a new design then? |
| 19:44.51 | hans | new color, anyhow |
| 19:45.36 | tensai | jsmith: posted to amazon. they say it takes ~1 day to go live. |
| 19:45.50 | jsmith | tensai: Cool beans... |
| 19:45.56 | jsmith | RyanE: Yes, it's a new design. |
| 19:46.28 | jsmith | RyanE: The blue/orange ones were a science experiment (see how small of a processor could be used) |
| 19:46.42 | jsmith | RyanE: The new ones are built to be actually used :-) |
| 19:46.54 | tensai | how does the iaxy compare to other atas, such as the sipura spa-2002? |
| 19:47.16 | jsmith | tensai: I like it better, as it talks IAX :-) |
| 19:47.40 | jsmith | tensai: I haven't used the Sipuras, but I did just get one of the Grandstream ones. |
| 19:47.58 | hans | i like my sipura, given that it talks SIP |
| 19:48.26 | tensai | what makes iax better than sip? I know the single port makes it nicer for firewalls, but what else? |
| 19:48.43 | tensai | hans: do you ever get echo? |
| 19:48.43 | hans | simplicity has more benefits than just firewalls |
| 19:49.23 | tensai | hans: well stated |
| 19:49.23 | hans | tensai: i have a long story about that, do you want to hear it? |
| 19:49.42 | hans | (about echo) |
| 19:49.42 | jsmith | tensai: I find the IAXy is easier to provision, requires a lot less setup, and just plain works :-) |
| 19:49.44 | tensai | hans: sure as I'm considering following in your footsteps |
| 19:49.49 | jsmith | hans: Pray tell! |
| 19:50.17 | hans | ok, it's not _that_ long. So I was running whatever asterisk is in debian sarge. 1.0.9 or something |
| 19:50.19 | tensai | jsmith: all the iaxy config is done in the iaxprov.conf, right? the iaxy reads everything via bootp (or similar)? |
| 19:50.31 | hans | sipura, nufone. worked great (with wondershaper to tame my connection) |
| 19:50.47 | hans | upgraded to asteirsk 1.2 when I got the book out of excitement |
| 19:51.13 | hans | then downgraded when I couldn't get zaptel to compile with the realtime-preempt patches (needed zaptel for timing for the conference on sunday) |
| 19:51.20 | hans | now I have echo |
| 19:51.25 | hans | haven't investigated why |
| 19:51.57 | hans | i figure it will go away when I upgrade again |
| 19:52.32 | hans | note that there wasn't echo during the conference (well, nothing that couldn't be explained by using my laptop as a speakerphone) |
| 19:53.54 | hans | i've never had echo with the sipura before now |
| 19:55.14 | wps | where would be the usual place for procmail to log to? |
| 19:55.25 | wps | (FC3) |
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| 19:57.04 | jsmith | hans: Thanks for the (short) story |
| 19:57.29 | hans | heh, you're welcome any time. I have lots of short long stories to tell about various subjects |
| 19:57.52 | bonez41 | this is an awfully dumb question, but how do I switch to kde desktop ...if I am running gnome 2. right now? |
| 19:58.30 | hans | log out, choose kde from gdm, then log in |
| 19:58.47 | harleypig | http://www.world-science.net/othernews/051018_potfrm.htm |
| 19:58.48 | hans | gdm, kdm, wdm, whatever. usually it's the "Session" type |
| 19:58.48 | brac | [Good news for pot smokers ] |
| 19:59.48 | bonez41 | the wm dialogue at login, doesn't list kdm as a choice...but i know I have several k applications installed, but perhaps not kdm...that must be it |
| 20:00.09 | hans | must be |
| 20:00.12 | hans | try apt-get install kdm |
| 20:00.14 | hans | and brace yourself |
| 20:00.19 | hans | er, kde |
| 20:00.20 | hans | not kdm |
| 20:00.27 | bonez41 | ok.... |
| 20:00.35 | bonez41 | yeah, didn't have it installed...but thought I had it |
| 20:03.35 | tensai | gdm can start kde just fine, you just need the right kde package |
| 20:03.53 | tensai | although I prefer using kdm with kde because then you can shut down the computer automatically when you log out |
| 20:09.51 | Tene | bonez41: |
| 20:09.57 | Tene | "kdm" is the kde login manager |
| 20:10.05 | bonez41 | ok...... |
| 20:10.23 | Tene | you don't need it to log into KDE |
| 20:10.27 | Tene | just need KDE installed |
| 20:11.33 | bonez41 | now I just need to restart....I was hoping to find an easier way to setup networking, from debian/linux to windows xp.....supposedly, KDE has a fairly simple way to set things up....even though I can see the win xp machine on my network...it can NOT see the linux drives....or linux connected printer.....samba, smbd, nmbd and lisa are running....still windows can't see my linux box |
| 20:11.42 | bonez41 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.39 | *** join/#utah xbmodder_school (n=xbmodder@dsl092-012-130.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 20:24.50 | xbmodder_school | I am in comp_sci |
| 20:24.54 | xbmodder_school | THIS IS BORING AS CRAP! |
| 20:25.00 | Tene | so make it interesting. |
| 20:25.03 | xbmodder_school | The teacher is older than like ASM. |
| 20:25.06 | Tene | Set your teacher on fire. |
| 20:25.20 | xbmodder_school | Tene: that'd be great... |
| 20:25.50 | levi | Poor xbmodder. |
| 20:26.11 | levi | xbmodder_school: So, play games on whatever it is you're using to get on the internet. |
| 20:26.28 | hans | or sleep, that's a classic boredom combatant |
| 20:26.44 | hans | it worked for your parents, their parents, etc. |
| 20:27.01 | xbmodder_school | levi: putty |
| 20:27.03 | levi | Yeah, sleeping in class worked pretty well for me. |
| 20:27.16 | xbmodder_school | I am getting him to come over here. |
| 20:27.21 | levi | xbmodder_school: Use putty to connect to a mud or something. |
| 20:27.27 | xbmodder_school | levi: good idea. |
| 20:27.35 | hans | idlerpg |
| 20:27.43 | xbmodder_school | levi: and all the people who want "help" |
| 20:28.00 | levi | xbmodder_school: You could help the people who want help. |
| 20:28.13 | xbmodder_school | levi: the seniors I do help. |
| 20:28.34 | hans | why only the senors? |
| 20:28.57 | xbmodder_school | hans: and juniors |
| 20:29.03 | xbmodder_school | because they are only serious. |
| 20:29.43 | Tene | you could cause the people needing help to make serious mistakes. |
| 20:30.15 | xbmodder_school | Tene: most freshman justwant me to do it for them |
| 20:30.23 | xbmodder_school | or joined this class to learn to "hack" |
| 20:30.51 | hans | use this time to practice your british accent |
| 20:31.11 | xbmodder_school | hans: excellent idea |
| 20:32.28 | RyanE | or learn a *foreign* language. |
| 20:32.47 | hans | other than 1337speak |
| 20:33.04 | xbmodder_school | RyanE: hehe. |
| 20:33.17 | Tene | learn lojban |
| 20:33.19 | xbmodder_school | I like hans' idea better. |
| 20:33.21 | hans | or learn a new programming language, to stay somewhat on topic |
| 20:33.25 | Tene | yes |
| 20:33.37 | Tene | write a bf interpreter in bf |
| 20:33.42 | hans | or go get ideas from 43things |
| 20:33.55 | Tene | ask google "what should I do?" |
| 20:42.17 | hans | gleeking was another popular one when I was a teen |
| 20:44.12 | xbmodder_school | gleeking? |
| 20:44.49 | xbmodder_school | ~gleeking |
| 20:44.52 | xbmodder_school | ~define gleeking |
| 20:45.04 | xbmodder_school | ibot: |
| 20:45.05 | xbmodder_school | ? |
| 20:45.08 | xbmodder_school | ~gender |
| 20:45.10 | ibot | I'm not sure |
| 20:45.10 | emcnabb | hans, I still like to gleek |
| 20:45.13 | xbmodder_school | Gleek? |
| 20:45.22 | Jayce^ | wow, gleeking, what flashbacks |
| 20:45.38 | xbmodder_school | Gleek is a blue monkey, the pet of Zan and Jayna, the Wonder Twins in the animated series Super Friends. |
| 20:45.41 | emcnabb | http://www.doubletongued.org/index.php/dictionary/gleek/ |
| 20:45.46 | RyanE | I could only gleek when I had my retainer in. |
| 20:45.46 | brac | [definition of gleek from Double-Tongued Word Wrester Dictionary] |
| 20:45.51 | RyanE | dang straight teeth... :) |
| 20:47.05 | hans | my friends took it to a new level. rather than just gleek, they perfected the art of making little bubbles on the tip of their tongues and getting them to flit away and land on {people,things,teachers} |
| 20:47.24 | hans | i could get the bubbles, but couldn't get them off my tongue |
| 20:47.31 | emcnabb | hans, that was popular at my school too |
| 20:47.36 | emcnabb | I was never good at that though |
| 20:47.40 | Jayce^ | ditto |
| 20:48.10 | emcnabb | interesting that it was, considering we all grew up in different areas (IL, NM, WA) |
| 20:48.32 | hans | and also considering xbmodder_school apparently has never gleeked |
| 20:49.00 | emcnabb | well, he's from the younger generation |
| 20:50.35 | emcnabb | you're from the younger generation too |
| 20:51.09 | hans | you're also a girl. this is one of the GROSS secrest |
| 20:51.23 | maquis | haha |
| 20:51.30 | maquis | emcnabb: i'm not *that* much younger... |
| 20:51.54 | maquis | perhaps if i had a brother i would've heard of it |
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| 21:01.45 | levi | Better than economics! ;) |
| 21:02.09 | maquis | Bradipo: why is it surprising? |
| 21:02.23 | Bradipo | Well, as hans said, it is kind of gross. |
| 21:02.48 | maquis | and...? |
| 21:03.00 | Bradipo | levi: Much better I guess... |
| 21:03.27 | hans | GROSS as in calvin and hobbes |
| 21:03.33 | Bradipo | Would that we didn't have to worry about economics and governmental intervention and all we had to talk about was gleeking on each other. |
| 21:05.03 | Bradipo | maquis: And nothing I guess. Just one of those things... Is gleek a Utah word only? |
| 21:05.18 | maquis | Bradipo: judging from the discussion above, it's not |
| 21:05.24 | Bradipo | Kind of like giving someone a pump. |
| 21:05.32 | Bradipo | Or sloughing school. |
| 21:05.34 | maquis | as i believe the discussion involved high schools in 3 states |
| 21:06.02 | graphyx | I know what gleeking is. |
| 21:06.04 | graphyx | I was in CA |
| 21:06.30 | hans | giving a pump? |
| 21:06.41 | graphyx | Nope. |
| 21:06.48 | graphyx | sloughing I have heard. |
| 21:07.19 | Bradipo | hans: Its a phrase that means giving someone a ride on the back of the bike. |
| 21:07.44 | Bradipo | The rider stands on the axle or other protruding elements on the back tire. |
| 21:08.19 | Bradipo | Quite the balancing act without posts. |
| 21:10.13 | *** join/#utah xbmodder_ (n=xbmodder@dsl092-012-130.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 21:10.16 | xbmodder_ | hey |
| 21:10.20 | xbmodder_ | ScytheBlade1: hey |
| 21:12.00 | xbmodder_ | Anybody know of any cheap computers, embedded, that are small and reliable |
| 21:12.09 | xbmodder_ | preferably <100 |
| 21:13.03 | mheath | xbmodder: check out www.gumstix.com |
| 21:13.08 | mheath | ~lart debian |
| 21:16.32 | Bradipo | Anyone here using gaim-otr? |
| 21:16.53 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.19 | Bradipo | If it isn't rot13 it isn't worth using? |
| 21:17.38 | hans | that's the spirit |
| 21:17.54 | mheath | Why does debian's "adduser" command suck so much? |
| 21:17.58 | mheath | Seriously |
| 21:18.04 | hans | i've seen worse user scripts |
| 21:18.08 | Bradipo | Most adduser commands suck. |
| 21:18.16 | Bradipo | OpenBSD's is much better. |
| 21:18.18 | mheath | It has the worst defaults you could possibly imagine |
| 21:18.28 | hans | let's see, yup, in every single distro I've used |
| 21:18.35 | hans | like what? |
| 21:18.38 | Bradipo | I believe you can configure the defaults though, right? |
| 21:19.00 | mheath | Bradipo: well, yeah, but I'm talking about the default defaults :P |
| 21:19.05 | hans | if you don't like defaults, you can use useradd |
| 21:19.21 | Bradipo | The first time you run adduser on OpenBSD it asks you what the defaults should be. :-) |
| 21:19.45 | Bradipo | mheath: Or in your case, the default defaults. |
| 21:19.58 | mheath | World readable home directories, and users are stuck in just their own little group and not even 'users' |
| 21:20.01 | mheath | er |
| 21:20.01 | xbmodder_ | mheath: useradd on gentoo is fine. |
| 21:20.16 | mheath | xbmodder_: We're not talking about useradd. |
| 21:20.24 | mheath | xbmodder_: and we're not talking about gentoo. |
| 21:20.28 | hans | mheath: those sound like reasonable defaults to me |
| 21:20.38 | mheath | hans: I mistyped, I meant to say world writable |
| 21:20.47 | hans | you're smoking something |
| 21:20.58 | hans | you were asked about world-readable during the installation, too. |
| 21:21.02 | Bradipo | hans: Maybe its Lindows. :-) |
| 21:21.14 | mheath | hans: yeah, I know. I said yes, I'd like it to be world readable |
| 21:21.19 | hans | I for one hate having all users in one group. what good is that? |
| 21:21.56 | maquis | hans: it makes sense if you're going to have a guest user that isn't in the group, i would think |
| 21:21.56 | Bradipo | Yeah, just uses up one more precious group from a finite pool. |
| 21:22.18 | mheath | hans: granted this is a Debian GNU system, but the adduser package is exactly the same as on Debian GNU/Linux |
| 21:22.32 | hans | i'm sure it is |
| 21:22.46 | xbmodder_ | mheath: ok! |
| 21:22.57 | mheath | The only configuration option it asked me was, did I want directories to be world readable |
| 21:23.17 | mheath | And, what I ended up with, was: If I create a user, say, mheath...... |
| 21:23.59 | mheath | mheath was only in the group mheath, and his home directory was 775 |
| 21:24.34 | Bradipo | 775 is group writeable, but if I'm not mistaken, the group will be mheath... |
| 21:24.39 | hans | that's not world-writeable |
| 21:24.52 | hans | Bradipo: yup |
| 21:24.54 | mheath | er, *777 |
| 21:25.03 | hans | if that's true, then it's a bug |
| 21:25.15 | mheath | I created another user for a friend, and he was creating files in my home directory as an example |
| 21:25.27 | mheath | All I did was adduser for mheath, adduser for surye... |
| 21:25.48 | mheath | And surye was able to create files in mheath's home directory |
| 21:25.50 | Bradipo | I'm sure at one point during the initial install it asked whether you wanted world writeable directories or something like that. |
| 21:26.10 | mheath | Bradipo: it asked me if I wanted world *readable* directories |
| 21:26.14 | Bradipo | Hmm. |
| 21:26.23 | mheath | but thats the only thing it asked me |
| 21:27.02 | Jayce^ | hrm, all my debian boxes are not world writable |
| 21:27.19 | hans | i promise you mine aren't world-writeable |
| 21:27.20 | Bradipo | mheath: Well, isn't there an adduser.conf or something? |
| 21:27.38 | Bradipo | If so, you should be able to fix it there. |
| 21:27.39 | mheath | Bradipo: yeah. I've changed the defaults, now |
| 21:27.46 | mheath | I'm just commenting that the defaults irritated me |
| 21:28.03 | Jayce^ | I didn't modify mine, and they are not world writable |
| 21:28.05 | hans | maybe it's a hurd tradition |
| 21:28.17 | Jayce^ | hans, that's HUD.. |
| 21:29.04 | xbmodder_ | 1. Tuesday - Saturday 4pm-12:30am < Do you think its humanly possible to go from 8:00-15:00 and from 16:00-0:30 ? |
| 21:29.16 | xbmodder_ | 6 hours of sleep |
| 21:29.24 | xbmodder_ | wow. that'd be not fun. |
| 21:29.25 | levi | World-writable home directories sounds like something RMS would dig. ;) |
| 21:30.21 | mheath | Nah. I'm sure I probably messed up or misread a configuration question |
| 21:30.23 | maquis | xbmodder_: what's wrong with 6 hours of sleep? |
| 21:30.26 | mheath | I never had this problem before |
| 21:30.31 | RyanE | 6 is a luxury. |
| 21:30.36 | hans | tensai: I'm trying to remember what the limitation I ran up against with AGI was. I might have ranted here about it - do you remember? |
| 21:30.41 | mheath | xbmodder_: 6 hours of sleep is plenty when you're beyond your teenage years |
| 21:30.57 | maquis | mheath: when i was in high school, i got less than i do now |
| 21:31.10 | Jayce^ | mheath, not necessarily plenty, but it's all you get.. |
| 21:31.12 | emcnabb | last night I was feeling sick, so I got 8 full hours |
| 21:31.13 | mheath | xbmodder_: When I go off to Navy Basic Training next summer, I'll be lucky to get 2 hours of sleep a night during P-week |
| 21:31.17 | hans | Jayce^: :) |
| 21:31.21 | emcnabb | man, that made a big difference |
| 21:31.23 | xbmodder_ | mheath: I get 6 hrs of sleep usually. |
| 21:31.30 | JoshH | i get 4-6 |
| 21:31.33 | hans | some people do well on 6 or less. my wife needs almost 8. I do best on 6.5 to 7 |
| 21:31.41 | JoshH | 7 is perfect |
| 21:31.43 | xbmodder_ | mheath: I'd get alot less with HW |
| 21:31.47 | JoshH | 9 if im sleeping in |
| 21:31.51 | maquis | i get 4-6 most days |
| 21:31.52 | emcnabb | I usually TRY to get 7 hrs |
| 21:31.54 | xbmodder_ | I get almost 3-4 hours of HW dayly. |
| 21:32.23 | emcnabb | xbmodder_, you should do your HW in class if you're bored |
| 21:32.23 | maquis | during high school, because of seminary and everything, i considered myself fortunate if i managed to pull off 4 hours/night |
| 21:32.24 | graphyx | anyone it English homework? |
| 21:32.27 | graphyx | ~spell daily |
| 21:32.52 | hans | tensai: oh now I remember. when you dial you lose control |
| 21:32.55 | xbmodder_ | so 6-random.randint(3,4) |
| 21:32.59 | hans | as in, it makes a pretty lousy switch. |
| 21:33.15 | xbmodder_ | 2 |
| 21:33.20 | xbmodder_ | 2 hours of sleep... |
| 21:33.34 | hans | the basics like Dial(30) followed by VoiceMail are beyond your reach |
| 21:33.40 | xbmodder_ | and I have a hard time staying awake in class. |
| 21:33.51 | hans | jsmith: unless I'm misunderstanding something... love to be corrected here |
| 21:35.12 | graphyx | ~8ball go home |
| 21:35.14 | ibot | Unsure. |
| 21:35.16 | jsmith | hans: Sorry, I haven't been paying attention, and I'm too lazy to scroll back... what was your question? |
| 21:36.16 | hans | i think i remember the limitation I found with AGI that kept me from using it to make my dialplan. quoting from the asterisk wiki: "If the AGI application dials outward, the script returns execution to the dialplan and looses contact with the asterisk server. " |
| 21:36.36 | hans | 15:33 < hans> the basics like Dial(30) followed by VoiceMail are beyond your reach |
| 21:37.14 | jsmith | Hmmmmn... that's a good question... I've never actually tried to call Dial() from within an AGI. |
| 21:37.36 | jsmith | Sounds like a good time for you to learn the Manager interface :-) |
| 21:38.52 | RyanE | jsmith: the next book? 'the Manager Interface'? |
| 21:39.44 | hans | jsmith: :) I have ambitions to make a ruby lib for doing dialplans "within ruby", a la rake (as a replacement for make) |
| 21:40.05 | hans | i hadn't thought of using the manager interface too. there's hope yet |
| 21:40.33 | jsmith | hans: As in http://rubyforge.org/projects/ruby-agi/? Or something more ambitious? |
| 21:40.39 | jsmith | hans: Something like AEL, only in Ruby? |
| 21:40.41 | brac | [RubyForge: AGI Library written in Ruby: Project Info] |
| 21:41.58 | jsmith | RyanE: The next edition of the book should have a manager reference, at least. |
| 21:42.13 | mheath | Hmm |
| 21:42.14 | hans | jsmith: just read the agi chapter, and skimmed the reference. I like, but I'm bummed that there's no definitive refernce on the initial variables |
| 21:42.34 | jsmith | hans: That's because there is no definitive reference :-) |
| 21:42.58 | jsmith | hans: I won't go so far as to say they're totally random, but there's room for improvement :-) |
| 21:44.26 | jsmith | hans: Quick intro to AEL, from a guy wanting to do ruby as well :-) http://scottstuff.net/blog/articles/tag/ael |
| 21:44.28 | brac | [*scottstuff*] |
| 21:44.28 | hans | jsmith: hadn't seen ruby-agi |
| 21:44.37 | hans | don't know what AEL is, have to look up that |
| 21:44.41 | jsmith | hans: There's also ragi.sf.net |
| 21:44.45 | hans | ragi I had seen and I was not impressed |
| 21:44.53 | graphyx | Whats the meeting this week no? |
| 21:44.57 | graphyx | s/no/on |
| 21:45.04 | hans | the guy doesn't seem to know the difference between ruby and rails |
| 21:45.05 | jsmith | There's a meeting? |
| 21:45.16 | jsmith | hans: There's a difference?!? |
| 21:45.19 | graphyx | Oh I thought it was weekly. |
| 21:45.22 | hans | lol |
| 21:45.43 | jsmith | hans: Now you're gonna tell me there's a difference between PHP and MySQL :-) |
| 21:45.52 | hans | anyway, I wrote an agi lib once, piece of cake. |
| 21:45.53 | xbmodder_ | hehe |
| 21:45.58 | hans | i just didn't polish and release it |
| 21:46.13 | hans | but if ruby-agi works, then great, I just have to figure out how to do what I want |
| 21:47.18 | jsmith | hans: Just for you, maybe I'll add a Ruby example to the AGI chapter next time |
| 21:47.26 | hans | btw, i think I shouted out loud when I read the bit about s,n,... |
| 21:47.35 | hans | jsmith: I'll write it for ya if you want. :) |
| 21:49.00 | jsmith | hans: Woo hoo! |
| 21:52.15 | hans | reading up on ael here, it occurs to me you could make a .so that exports a real C API which could be swigged into any language you like (e.g. ruby) and be configured with the executable you want to execute. have to think about that one |
| 21:53.07 | jsmith | hans: Yes, or you could do something like #execute, and have the executable create the dialplan :-) |
| 21:54.08 | hans | so #execute in extensions.conf? |
| 21:54.21 | hans | can I pass parameters? |
| 21:54.55 | hans | well better go to class |
| 21:55.14 | mheath | Lets see what Apache thinks of the Hurd...hmmm |
| 21:55.32 | goozbach | wps: /var/log/maillog |
| 21:55.47 | wps | thanks! |
| 21:55.54 | mheath | So far so good |
| 21:56.01 | wps | wait… that's what I'm already viewing |
| 21:56.08 | wps | that's where I am reading the errors |
| 21:56.14 | wps | does procmail have a separate log? |
| 21:57.07 | maquis | wps: in your .procmailrc, i think you can set one |
| 21:57.12 | wps | ` /var/log/maillog is just printing out: |
| 21:57.12 | wps | Oct 18 15:50:24 pedro sendmail[7307]: j9EDL9PV025706: to=root, delay=4+05:15:45, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=local, pri=11370317, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: local mailer (/usr/bin/procmail) exited with EX_TEMPFAIL |
| 21:57.16 | wps | again and again |
| 21:57.19 | wps | and slowing the server down |
| 21:57.42 | mheath | Haha. |
| 21:58.25 | jsmith | wps: This help? http://www.bogofilter.org/pipermail/bogofilter/2004-June/006128.html |
| 21:58.29 | brac | [ Strange error suddenly appears |
| 21:58.29 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.44 | wps | ` /usr/bin/procmail is a binary file |
| 22:00.02 | jsmith | Yes, procmail is a program that processes the mail :-) |
| 22:01.40 | mheath | What nonsense |
| 22:01.50 | mheath | gcc requires libc6-dev to actually *do* anything |
| 22:02.04 | mheath | yet, debian doesn't have libc6-dev as one of gcc's depdendencies |
| 22:02.31 | jsmith | Figures :-) |
| 22:02.50 | mheath | Took me forever to realize what was happening |
| 22:03.03 | levi | mheath: It does recommend it, though. |
| 22:04.18 | mheath | configure is running very slowly on that box for some reason...hmm. |
| 22:05.00 | mheath | Apache doesn't seem to have any problem with Hurd, though |
| 22:05.08 | mheath | though compiling it might be a different story |
| 22:05.32 | mheath | Pretty good for a giant,complex program that hasn't been officially ported. |
| 22:07.24 | byronc | wps: you may want to try adding "LOGFILE=/var/log/procmail.log" to /etc/procmailrc |
| 22:07.48 | levi | It strikes me as kind of ironic that Linux people were loudly against moving modem and printer logic onto the computer, but welcome bringing telephony logic onto the computer with open arms and much fanfare. :) |
| 22:08.00 | wps | maquis, I cannot find .procmailrc. I have used find and locate and am not getting anything back. Where should it be? |
| 22:08.41 | maquis | wps: if it's not in your home dir, then there should be a /etc/procmailrc (like byronc was just mentioning) |
| 22:08.51 | maquis | byronc mentioned the line i was thinking about |
| 22:09.10 | wps | why would it be in my home directory? |
| 22:09.30 | maquis | wps: if you have one per user, then you'd have one in your home directory that was for your user |
| 22:09.45 | wps | ah |
| 22:09.47 | maquis | if you have one for the whole system, then it'd be in /etc... |
| 22:10.26 | wps | dang |
| 22:10.33 | wps | no ~/.procmailrc |
| 22:10.36 | maquis | at least that's how i understand it |
| 22:10.43 | wps | no /etc/procmailrc |
| 22:11.01 | byronc | wps: just create /etc/procmailrc and put the LOGFILE line in it. |
| 22:11.05 | maquis | wps: where are you telling procmail where to send your mail when it receives it? |
| 22:13.11 | wps | well, I am embarrassed to say, but I didn't even know I was using procmail |
| 22:13.21 | wps | I knew that I was using sendmail |
| 22:13.42 | maquis | wps: the easier solution might be to tell sendmail not to send the mail to procmail... |
| 22:13.50 | jsmith | levi: Yeah, good point. But telephony is fun! |
| 22:14.05 | wps | alright |
| 22:14.10 | wps | I created the procmail log |
| 22:14.13 | wps | it is now writing to it |
| 22:14.16 | wps | so I can read the errors |
| 22:14.26 | wps | procmail: Error while writing to "/var/mail/root" |
| 22:14.42 | levi | jsmith: And no one made cheap open modem and printer hardware with published interfaces. |
| 22:14.53 | jsmith | levi: Exactly :-) |
| 22:15.59 | wps | okay |
| 22:16.02 | wps | I think I'm warm |
| 22:16.07 | wps | I went to /var/mail/ |
| 22:16.16 | wps | and "root" is "root.lock" and it's blinking |
| 22:16.18 | maquis | and there isn't a spool for root? |
| 22:16.24 | maquis | oh... |
| 22:16.27 | maquis | there is a root |
| 22:16.30 | wps | if it's locked that would explain why it can't write to it |
| 22:16.39 | wps | how would I unlock it? |
| 22:17.01 | byronc | wps: what kind of file is root.lock? |
| 22:17.07 | wps | hmm… there's a "root" too |
| 22:17.17 | wps | "root" and "root.locK" |
| 22:17.23 | maquis | in that case, i think you just need to rm root.lock |
| 22:17.27 | maquis | but i could be wrong |
| 22:17.28 | wps | -rw------- 1 root root 2147483647 Oct 18 16:10 root |
| 22:17.28 | wps | -r-------- 1 root root 1 Oct 18 16:10 root.lock |
| 22:17.34 | maquis | so don't do it unless someone agrees with me |
| 22:18.15 | byronc | wps: wow, 2 GiB of root email, you may want to clear that out |
| 22:18.57 | wps | root.lock is now gone |
| 22:21.01 | wps | I wonder if it can't write to it because it's full |
| 22:21.36 | wps | when I type "mail" as root it doesn't do anything |
| 22:21.40 | jsmith | wps: It's full? That would be a problem :-) |
| 22:21.56 | wps | well, I don't know what full is, but there is 2GB of mail |
| 22:22.14 | mrpull- | does your filesystem have a 2GB file size limit? |
| 22:22.31 | wps | I don't know |
| 22:23.06 | mrpull- | maquis: heh? does that mean unlimited or "really really zero" |
| 22:23.26 | maquis | mrpull-: well... however i set it, it meant "really really zero" |
| 22:23.48 | maquis | mrpull-: http://students.cs.byu.edu/~sharmahd/weirdness.jpg |
| 22:24.00 | maquis | it had some fun with vim/gcc/other programs |
| 22:24.16 | maquis | zsh dumped core |
| 22:24.33 | mrpull- | I see your problem.... |
| 22:24.35 | mrpull- | gentoo :) |
| 22:25.06 | maquis | mrpull-: more likely just "hmmm... what happens if i set this...." |
| 22:25.12 | wps | is there a way to just truncate root's mail file to zero? |
| 22:25.29 | wps | it appears to be too big to open (vi is doing nothing) |
| 22:25.49 | maquis | wps: i wouldn't try vi... less might do something, though |
| 22:26.05 | mrpull- | heh... maybe tail would be a better idea |
| 22:26.14 | maquis | that also |
| 22:26.27 | wps | how would I delete the messages out of the file? |
| 22:27.10 | wps | alright… tail showed the end of an email |
| 22:27.13 | wps | ah… viagra |
| 22:27.17 | wps | that's the problem |
| 22:27.23 | wps | that's why it's so big |
| 22:27.25 | levi | truncating a file to zero is often done via cat /dev/null > file |
| 22:27.37 | wps | stupid spam |
| 22:27.46 | maquis | levi: aren't spool files differnet, though? |
| 22:28.11 | levi | maquis: How would they be different? |
| 22:28.43 | maquis | levi: i dunno... i just always thought it was a special type of file |
| 22:28.47 | maquis | but i could be wrong |
| 22:29.19 | levi | maquis: No, they're just files. |
| 22:29.42 | wps | alright… here we go |
| 22:29.57 | goozbach | >/some/file |
| 22:30.09 | goozbach | it's a bit more succinct |
| 22:30.10 | wps | ah hah! |
| 22:30.11 | wps | mail works now |
| 22:30.13 | maquis | goozbach: sup yo? |
| 22:30.17 | wps | that hasn't worked in a long time :) |
| 22:30.26 | wps | must not work when the file is too bit to parse |
| 22:30.29 | goozbach | just contemplating going back to the hotel |
| 22:31.02 | maquis | on some level, i'm thinking it might be a problem with the connection |
| 22:31.15 | levi | maquis: If you keep trying to force it, it may become irritable and do something really nasty. |
| 22:31.34 | maquis | levi: yeah... i know |
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| 22:38.15 | levi | I've been looking through the PDFs for the Asterisk book, and although it appears to be a good book, I am still not particularly interested in Asterisk. |
| 22:41.51 | jsmith | levi: Fair enough |
| 22:42.35 | levi | No doubt it is cool, but I have little interest in telephones. |
| 22:42.53 | levi | I try to avoid answering mine as much as possible. :) |
| 22:43.39 | tensai | I detest talking on the phone. that's why I'm so interested in automating it. :) |
| 22:44.03 | levi | I don't even want to get messages from people. |
| 22:44.23 | levi | The only people who call me are those who want me to do things I don't want to do. |
| 22:46.14 | jsmith | levi: See... I can program my Asterisk server to only let "known good" Caller*IDs through, and only when my favorite shows aren't on. |
| 22:46.45 | jsmith | levi: Everyone else gets dumped to voicemail, which I worry about on my own schedule, not theirs |
| 22:47.46 | maquis | i don't mind the phone too much... but generally only deal with it when i call my mom or a friend..... and none of that takes too long |
| 22:48.10 | maquis | i use my cell for all that, though |
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| 22:53.32 | RyanE | jsmith: do you have 'member of the bishopbric or exec. secretary calling' rules in your dialplan? |
| 22:54.07 | maquis | haha |
| 22:58.45 | jsmith | RyanE: Good one... |
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| 23:22.46 | levi | I have this great technique for handling unwanted phone calls. It consists mainly of not picking up the reciever when I don't feel like it. |
| 23:23.12 | levi | RyanE: Don't forget the stake people. |
| 23:23.29 | levi | RyanE: They're the ones you /really/ don't want to talk to. |
| 23:27.22 | stderr | what's the bishopbric? |
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| 23:30.11 | maquis | gaming-capable wireless laptop |
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| 23:31.58 | stderr | man |
| 23:32.06 | stderr | LiVES takes forever to open a 700 meg file |
| 23:34.31 | xbmodder_ | anyone wanna watch DOOM the movie? |
| 23:35.03 | TimRiker | bring it to sllug. ;-) |
| 23:35.36 | *** part/#utah fungus (n=fungus@2001:470:1f00:645:20a:95ff:fec5:636a) |
| 23:36.13 | maquis | stderr: maybe that's because you have to have many lives to open anything? |
| 23:37.54 | xbmodder_ | maquis: or not enough? |
| 23:38.02 | stderr | maquis: I think I've used up way too many of my lives |
| 23:38.31 | maquis | :) |
| 23:46.06 | xbmodder_ | doesn't LiVES reencode it? |
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| 23:59.09 | maquis | question... in a C program... if i want to open a file in the current directory, can i just use fopen("filename"); with no path? or do i have to go to /proc to find the current directory? |
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| 23:59.16 | maquis | (and yes, i know it's probably a stupid question |
| 23:59.20 | maquis | ) |
