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| 01:07.56 | mheath | Good evening, maquis |
| 01:08.58 | maquis | mheath: hi |
| 01:09.34 | mheath | maquis: don't use maps.google.com! |
| 01:09.42 | mheath | It failed me horribly :( |
| 01:10.15 | maquis | mheath: i'm using the one that is pointed to by the plug website --- mapquest |
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| 01:10.32 | maquis | it looks kinda right |
| 01:10.39 | maquis | but then again, that's me speaking :) |
| 01:10.44 | maquis | anyway... off\ |
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| 01:12.40 | colera | it's funny that apple went with a regular screen instead of a widescreen for the video ipod |
| 01:12.43 | colera | i guess their deal is tv and music videos not movies? |
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| 02:01.45 | graphyx | good evening. |
| 02:02.00 | fishyfire | howdy |
| 02:05.39 | maquis | howdy |
| 02:21.01 | graphyx | whats cooking tonight? |
| 02:22.56 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 02:23.10 | graphyx | ~greet xbmodder_lappy |
| 02:23.14 | ibot | ACTION says Hi to xbmodder_lappy with a donkey |
| 02:23.26 | xbmodder_lappy | graphyx, a new P2P network that kicks bittorrent's and edonkey's ass. |
| 02:23.49 | graphyx | what is it called, and what makes the difference? |
| 02:28.53 | mheath | Does anyone have any experience with Solaris? |
| 02:40.22 | Supaplex | Well, not much to speak of, but enough to avoid it. |
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| 02:41.04 | mheath | More to the point: I've just installed Solaris 10, including all the options off all 4 of the CDs |
| 02:41.19 | mheath | What can I use to download something from a HTTP server? |
| 02:50.45 | xbmodder_lappy | graphyx, the name does not matter |
| 02:54.05 | JoshH | it doesnt include wget? |
| 02:55.34 | graphyx | xbmodder_lappy: are you saying that you don't want to share the name or that a rose by any other name would still smell as sweet? |
| 02:55.39 | Supaplex | does it have a ftp client? |
| 02:55.47 | xbmodder_lappy | a rose by any other name would still smell as sweet? |
| 02:56.09 | graphyx | meaning what you call it doesn't change what it is... |
| 02:57.50 | Supaplex | if it quacks like a duck, acts like a duck, looks like a duck ... |
| 02:57.57 | vontrapp | so, if i've got a function that takes (...), and i want to pass in an array, but have each element as an argument, how would I do that? (ruby) |
| 02:58.14 | elg | foo(*ary) |
| 02:58.16 | fishyfire | then it is most definitely a goose! |
| 02:58.23 | Supaplex | m00! |
| 02:58.23 | graphyx | vontrapp: I don't know and stop calling my ruby. |
| 02:58.24 | graphyx | j/k |
| 02:58.42 | vontrapp | elg, thx |
| 02:59.21 | graphyx | elg: similar to perls func(@args) call? |
| 02:59.30 | elg | dunno |
| 02:59.39 | elg | it's flatten or explode or something like that |
| 02:59.49 | vontrapp | not flatten |
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| 04:29.38 | colera | xbmodder_lappy: what is the name of the new p2p? |
| 04:29.57 | xbmodder | colera, I am in a bit of a legal rock and a hard place situation |
| 04:30.12 | maquis | you're in a rock and a hard place? that's hard |
| 04:30.33 | xbmodder | lol. |
| 04:30.50 | maquis | i've been between a rock and a hard place, but i've never been in both |
| 04:35.21 | tensai | maquis: are you noticing anything weird about joanna? |
| 04:35.48 | maquis | tensai: not at the moment... well... a bit of lag... why? |
| 04:36.02 | maquis | i didn't notice the lag until i was in the middle of typing that... |
| 04:36.07 | tensai | maquis: yeah, that's what I'm noticing too |
| 04:36.15 | maquis | tensai: it's not anything you're doing?> |
| 04:36.25 | tensai | maquis: not this time |
| 04:36.37 | maquis | do you have physical access? |
| 04:36.39 | tensai | maquis: the dsl modem light is quiet |
| 04:36.48 | tensai | maquis: it's 2 feet from me |
| 04:37.15 | maquis | are you getting a lag when you're physically on the machine?? or only when you're ssh'ed in? |
| 04:37.51 | tensai | maquis: that I can't say. it doesn't have a keyboard or monitor. actually, I noticed it on my laptop which is what I'm using now. |
| 04:38.11 | tensai | maquis: wondered if it was the wireless or the dsl or something else |
| 04:38.19 | maquis | tensai: the thing that's interesting is that irssi isn't reporting a lag |
| 04:38.30 | tensai | nor is xchat |
| 04:39.10 | maquis | cpu usage doesn't look problematic... |
| 04:39.22 | maquis | is there anything like top for network usage? |
| 04:39.52 | tensai | not anything that's installed on that box |
| 04:40.07 | maquis | assuming it was installed, what would you use? |
| 04:40.52 | maquis | tensai: pings don't take very long either... |
| 04:41.00 | maquis | it's as if ssh is the only thing that's slow? |
| 04:41.17 | maquis | pings are in the 70ms range... |
| 04:41.35 | tensai | I use tcpdump all the time. ntop is really nice but takes some doing to get it going. |
| 04:41.46 | tensai | net flows for cisco routers |
| 04:43.09 | tensai | I saw it with ssh and http |
| 04:44.58 | tensai | not a ton of packets coming in over the dsl |
| 04:48.37 | tensai | I ought to reboot the craptiontec but I don't wanna. maybe before I go to bed. |
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| 04:59.08 | RyanE | ~lart Greedy REs |
| 04:59.16 | tensai | RE? |
| 04:59.19 | RyanE | Regex |
| 05:00.02 | RyanE | I'm not an RE sort of guy, apparently. |
| 05:00.46 | colera | anyone know if there is a web based way for me to get my password for the byu cs dept? i forgot it |
| 05:01.32 | maquis | colera: i don't think there's a way to get your password from the cs dept |
| 05:01.50 | Newsome | we don't have it |
| 05:02.15 | Newsome | one of those one-way-hash sorts of things |
| 05:02.21 | maquis | Newsome might be able to help you reset it in person, but i believe they require a photo id (byu id) in order to do that |
| 05:02.47 | tensai | EFF has their DES cracker... |
| 05:04.00 | Newsome | what hash does kerberos store? |
| 05:04.03 | colera | is the room for the admins in the talmage? |
| 05:04.15 | Newsome | colera: yes, 1140 TMCB |
| 05:04.32 | colera | cool i will be there tomorrow |
| 05:05.03 | tensai | I don't think kerberos defines a hash. it could use any storage mechanism, even plain text, I think. |
| 05:08.37 | Newsome | probably runs everything through memfrob() for that added bit of security |
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| 05:15.37 | xbmodder | http://svn.atheme.org/atheme/trunk/doc/LICENSE < if you tell me whats wrong with this license you get karma point. |
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| 05:23.40 | Supaplex | it's yet another invention of the same old wheel? |
| 05:26.10 | Newsome | memfrob? No, memfrob is designed to "frobnicate a memory area" |
| 05:26.14 | Supaplex | Too many anticeedents and children thereof are blurry. I'd consider a grammar check, if you haven't already. |
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| 05:36.16 | levi | Yo. |
| 05:37.20 | xbmodder_lappy | what do you think a cool name for a P2P network that grandmas can use would be? |
| 05:40.20 | xbmodder_lappy | nooooooo! |
| 05:40.23 | xbmodder_lappy | bad levi1 |
| 05:41.03 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: Heh. You're the bad one, littering the world with another stupid p2p network. :P |
| 05:41.48 | xbmodder_lappy | not stupid! |
| 05:42.13 | xbmodder_lappy | a bittorrent-like protocol but make it streamable as well |
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| 05:57.22 | maquis | ~lart SpecialZ |
| 06:00.21 | Goshen | anyone know how to configure a gameport joystick? |
| 06:00.31 | Goshen | it isn't showing up in /dev |
| 06:04.02 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
| 06:04.03 | SpecialZ | no lovin from ibot |
| 06:04.05 | SpecialZ | Wow, I didn't notice this last year, but after working for National Instruments and noting their general antipathy toward the Mathworks, I get emails for 'free classes' in Labview and Matlab from the EE department |
| 06:04.20 | maquis | ??? |
| 06:04.56 | SpecialZ | I never have figured what that one is supposed to mean. |
| 06:06.58 | maquis | that lart? me neither |
| 06:08.43 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
| 06:14.38 | levi | SpecialZ: Who did the remix? |
| 06:28.44 | SpecialZ | ocremix.org, 1-500 |
| 06:28.44 | SpecialZ | thousands of tracks of video game music. No words and nice to have something going without words so I don't sing along or get too distracted by it. |
| 06:28.46 | SpecialZ | or something, it's late. |
| 06:29.03 | xbmodder | emcnabb, |
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| 13:40.19 | elg | "Blackboard and WebCT merge" |
| 13:40.28 | elg | great - now we only have one target! |
| 13:59.47 | maquis | hmmm |
| 14:01.48 | elg | me too. I've never used webct, but that's what they use here |
| 14:02.43 | elg | I have to say, 3 syllables in 5 letters as a name for something that gets said probably at least 5 times a class on average is pretty pretentious |
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| 14:30.04 | goozbach | elg: websit is how we pronounced it for a long time for that very reason |
| 14:30.27 | elg | i'm inclined to call it webdog |
| 14:30.56 | goozbach | note to self: a sleep command in rc.local which runs in the foreground is a bad idea |
| 14:31.28 | goozbach | I couldn't figure out why my system was taking so long to boot |
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| 15:03.41 | graphyx | Morning |
| 15:15.54 | tensai | elg: I read mine already. good stuff. |
| 15:18.40 | elg | oh no, a princess bride musical |
| 15:24.26 | sjansen | maquis: blackboard was best of breed when BYU evaluated their options |
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| 15:26.58 | elg | as in lesser of evils |
| 15:27.56 | elg | sjansen: that's a scary thought when I think of how blackboard had this static page regeneration thing going on that would take hours every night and other quirks that just scream "WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING" |
| 15:28.34 | sjansen | elg: There's a reason I hate proprietary software. |
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| 15:30.01 | sjansen | Blackboard is far from the only least sucky solution I was exposed to at BYU. Once you step just outside of the major markets, proprietary software is a giant waste land. |
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| 15:41.32 | Hhhhh | sjansen, that comment was most disheartening |
| 15:41.50 | Hhhhh | blackboard is the best option? I don't wanna see the other ones then |
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| 15:53.01 | sjansen | http://rlove.org/log/2005101201 |
| 15:53.04 | brac | [Blog | rml] |
| 15:57.17 | elg | / |
| 15:57.18 | elg | ' |
| 15:58.19 | sjansen | ' |
| 15:58.22 | sjansen | \ |
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| 16:01.25 | graphyx | - |
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| 16:01.28 | graphyx | \ |
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| 16:14.59 | flyboy^ | Everyone in here working or what? |
| 16:18.28 | flyboy^ | Well, I'll just ask. Has anyone compiled a list of companies in Utah that use Linux extensivly (more than a back office file server)? |
| 16:21.01 | goozbach | flyboy^: there's the utah ISP list compiled by our very own fozzmoo |
| 16:21.37 | flyboy^ | Nothing more than that then, I take it. |
| 16:21.54 | graphyx | What is your objective in using such a list? |
| 16:21.57 | flyboy^ | I'm wondering if such a list would be useful to people. |
| 16:22.07 | flyboy^ | If it would be, might start compiling one. |
| 16:22.22 | flyboy^ | It would be useful to me, at any rate. |
| 16:23.16 | goozbach | http://www.utahisps.com |
| 16:23.18 | brac | [UtahISPs.com - Utah Internet service provider list] |
| 16:23.47 | graphyx | flyboy^: I still don't know what use such a list would be unless you were trying to sell said companies stuff for their use of linux.. |
| 16:24.09 | flyboy^ | Nope, not sales - curiosity, job hunting, etc. |
| 16:24.51 | flyboy^ | Maybe the company name, general system size, deployed flavor, number of admins, etc -- if it could be put together. |
| 16:25.16 | flyboy^ | Someone else mind find other uses, like OSS advocacy, etc. |
| 16:25.56 | flyboy^ | I dunno, maybe a dumb idea - just thought I would ask before I wasted to many brain cycles. |
| 16:27.20 | goozbach | flyboy^: linux.com has something like that |
| 16:36.48 | goozbach | I want to test my new sshsentry settings but don't want to lock out any of my machines |
| 16:36.51 | goozbach | anyone try logging in (via ssh) to daemon@mon-cal.friocorte.com |
| 16:37.01 | goozbach | abt ten times should do it |
| 16:41.17 | graphyx | Whats the username and password? |
| 16:41.33 | graphyx | j/k... |
| 16:42.29 | tensai | goozbach: there's 15. did that help? |
| 16:42.44 | goozbach | try again |
| 16:42.47 | goozbach | I forgot to turn on my firewall :* |
| 16:43.54 | goozbach | looks to be working now! |
| 16:43.57 | goozbach | sweet! |
| 16:44.01 | goozbach | thanks all |
| 16:44.07 | graphyx | Is there a timeout function on it? |
| 16:44.13 | goozbach | nope |
| 16:44.17 | graphyx | Or is it a permanent block on offenders? |
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| 16:44.38 | goozbach | permanet |
| 16:45.00 | graphyx | Does the counter reset on a valid login or are you going to mess up on logging in the 10th time in like 8 months and get locked out yourself? |
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| 16:46.06 | goozbach | graphyx: nope, and nope. |
| 16:46.28 | goozbach | I've got to safey releases, (ip addresses which are immune to bloking) |
| 16:46.38 | goozbach | s/to/two/ |
| 16:46.51 | graphyx | ok. |
| 16:46.54 | elg | which will change in two years... |
| 16:46.59 | elg | and you'll forget to change your code... |
| 16:51.08 | graphyx | how was the plug meeting last night? |
| 16:51.40 | tensai | elg: that's why mine has a timeout in addition to a whitelist. mine lasts for 24 hours. |
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| 16:52.37 | tensai | and the counter resets after a period of time. default is 60 seconds, so in theory a really slow scan would work against me. |
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| 17:01.00 | goozbach | tensai: that's why I'm working on getting console access |
| 17:09.36 | graphyx | If these aren't public access points Just put them on like port 65432. |
| 17:09.51 | graphyx | And you know they are there and automated attack scripts wouldn't find them. |
| 17:10.13 | graphyx | a full port scan might. |
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| 17:25.12 | maquis | i hate scheme |
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| 17:32.52 | spr | hey, how do you cast a perl value to int? (ie it's floating point but i just want the left of decimal part) |
| 17:34.57 | sjansen | perl -e 'print int(3.5)' |
| 17:34.59 | elg | make a C wrapper |
| 17:35.01 | elg | ;-) |
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| 18:08.18 | maquis | scheme sucks!!!!!! |
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| 18:15.55 | etahhhh | hi all |
| 18:16.40 | etahhhh | does anybody have a recommendation for a PCI Raid controller that runs well under linux? |
| 18:18.34 | etahhhh | I was actually considering this: |
| 18:18.36 | etahhhh | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815102203 |
| 18:18.37 | etahhhh | after all, it has 'penguin' in the name |
| 18:18.38 | brac | [Penguin Gear PG-RAID-133 PCI IDE PCI RAID controller Add-On Card - Retail at Newegg.com] |
| 18:21.00 | etahhhh | I like the price, but don't know anything about it |
| 18:21.15 | tensai | you're looking for IDE RAID then? |
| 18:22.12 | etahhhh | yes |
| 18:22.43 | etahhhh | don't need anything amazing, just decent mirroring for a little server |
| 18:23.49 | tensai | sorry, all my raid knowledge is SCSI. I've heard that a lot of ATA RAID cards aren't really hardware RAID. |
| 18:23.54 | tensai | http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 18:23.56 | brac | [Linux SATA RAID FAQ] |
| 18:24.08 | tensai | that may just be for SATA, though |
| 18:26.03 | etahhhh | interesting to see it broken down by chipset, wonder if I can find similar list for PATA |
| 18:26.55 | tensai | http://www.linux.com/howtos/Hardware-HOWTO/ideraid.shtml |
| 18:26.56 | brac | [Linux.com - IDE RAID Controllers] |
| 18:27.16 | etahhhh | maybe I should just get an IDE controller and run software raid |
| 18:27.40 | etahhhh | but it is older hardware, so I was thinking I'd push off some load to the card |
| 18:27.52 | tensai | what raid level? |
| 18:29.48 | etahhhh | 1 |
| 18:30.09 | etahhhh | all I am looking to do is mirror |
| 18:30.47 | tensai | software is fine then. there's no calculations to perform, just a little more work for the disk controlle.r |
| 18:31.31 | tensai | unless it's a really stressed system I bet you won't see a difference between hardware and software |
| 18:31.41 | tensai | for raid-0 or raid-1 |
| 18:33.02 | etahhhh | well, I am willing to give it a shot |
| 18:33.55 | etahhhh | but I would like to get an IDE controller that will use the full drive capacity |
| 18:34.32 | tensai | if you're upgrading controllers anyway, might as well get the hardware raid |
| 18:34.53 | etahhhh | well, that is what I was thinking... |
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| 18:37.34 | maquis | -roulette |
| 18:37.34 | brac | maquis: chamber 3 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 18:38.04 | goozbach | ha ha! |
| 18:38.21 | maquis | :( |
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| 19:04.53 | bonez39 | where could I find help with a canon printer? I have a friend who has a Canon 1150.. 4 color printer/copier... it's big...need to get some advice about it |
| 19:08.47 | goozbach | ~lart schitsophrenic ex-girlfriends |
| 19:09.06 | maquis | goozbach: you can't spell worth anything!!!! |
| 19:09.14 | maquis | ~spell schizophrenic |
| 19:09.21 | goozbach | whatever |
| 19:09.42 | goozbach | ~lart not finding a keyboard with a built-in spell checker |
| 19:10.06 | mrpull- | ~define collage |
| 19:12.37 | dataw0lf | a group of diverse items |
| 19:12.44 | dataw0lf | or collection rather |
| 19:13.19 | mrpull- | apparently BYU is a church sponsored collage (from the UUG list) |
| 19:13.24 | mrpull- | poor michael |
| 19:14.23 | RyanE | bonez39: Which Canon printer? |
| 19:14.39 | maquis | mrpull-: i noticed that too... but oh well |
| 19:14.46 | mrpull- | :) |
| 19:15.16 | levi | In that case, it can't be true at all. Where's the diversity? ;) |
| 19:15.17 | mrpull- | heeey howdy hey... bloglines added hotkeys |
| 19:18.52 | mrpull- | hrrm. it also seems to crash firefox for me now too. |
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| 19:27.23 | elg | ~lart vontrapp |
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| 19:35.47 | elg | funny, OOo says linux is a misspelling |
| 19:37.54 | mrpull- | elg: does it say Linux is a misspelling? |
| 19:38.27 | elg | no |
| 19:38.42 | mrpull- | do you suppose that Linux is a proper noun? |
| 19:38.52 | elg | you mean I have to capitalize? next thing someone's going to ask us to put a GNU/ in front, too |
| 19:41.38 | tensai | what good is a spell checker if it's not pedantic? |
| 19:41.57 | elg | what good is a spell checker if you're a spelling nazi? |
| 19:42.25 | tensai | even nazi's need tools |
| 19:42.45 | tensai | see, if xchat had a spell checker I wouldn't have added that apostrophe |
| 19:42.45 | elg | that's what ibot is for |
| 19:42.59 | elg | ~spell thwacker |
| 19:43.10 | elg | *THWACK* |
| 19:43.45 | mrpull- | that would be a good prank to submit patches to all the OSS spell checkers that would suggest GNU/Linux in place of Linux |
| 19:47.23 | tensai | mrpull-: it would be funny but I think too many people would take you seriously. that's half the fun I suppose. |
| 19:48.14 | mrpull- | i cant imagine it would be easy to "sneak" it in... but maybe it would make a good April Fools joke |
| 19:48.50 | mrpull- | probably easier to convince a bunch of people that it happened than to actually pull off the feat |
| 19:50.07 | elg | ~spell raison d' etre |
| 19:50.53 | elg | ~spell raison |
| 19:52.06 | tensai | after logging into an HP switch my terminal refuses to use its entire length. basically it's stuck at the size of the switch's configuration menu. |
| 19:52.14 | tensai | how do I make it use the whole thing again? |
| 19:52.59 | goozbach | 75 messages in one day! |
| 19:53.03 | goozbach | not bad for a dead list |
| 19:53.11 | goozbach | I'm so glad I didn't un-sub |
| 19:53.44 | elg | plug? |
| 19:54.00 | goozbach | no, Gnu-Arch-Users |
| 19:54.08 | elg | ah |
| 19:54.18 | goozbach | tis fun to watch the mighty fall |
| 19:54.52 | elg | give us a summary |
| 19:55.11 | byronc | tensai: if you have X installed "eval `resize`" will do the trick |
| 19:56.18 | tensai | byronc: yay. that's perfect. |
| 19:57.45 | elg | which basically sets COLUMNS and LINES right? |
| 19:58.08 | elg | yeah. I guess I could have run it to see, huh |
| 19:58.19 | byronc | elg: that's exactly what it does. |
| 19:58.33 | byronc | just a nice shortcut when you're running X |
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| 20:09.47 | elg | this is a nicely-done rant |
| 20:09.50 | elg | http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431.22 |
| 20:09.53 | brac | [Joel on Software - Why I Hate Frameworks] |
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| 20:20.55 | emcnabb | http://chicago-hotels.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g35805-d87595-r3937810-Congress_Plaza_Hotel-Chicago_Illinois.html |
| 20:20.57 | brac | [Chicago: Congress Plaza Hotel - Deals and Reviews - The City of Chicago should be ashamed - TripAdvisor] |
| 20:21.05 | emcnabb | read the reviews on this hotel |
| 20:21.30 | emcnabb | I can't remember when the last time was that I laughed so hard |
| 20:21.39 | emcnabb | there are many pages of comments |
| 20:30.33 | elg | heh. this framework justifying its existence, it claims that X is "not mature" |
| 20:30.49 | elg | so obviously we need another framework, to battle the non-maturity of existing frameworks. |
| 20:31.24 | elg | X being another framework, name changed to protect the innocent |
| 20:33.13 | elg | emcnabb: what's the joke |
| 20:36.49 | sjansen | elg: that goozbach is going to be spending a week there since everything else was already booked |
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| 20:37.08 | elg | heh |
| 20:37.23 | elg | ~console goozbach |
| 20:37.24 | ibot | ACTION gives goozbach the consolation moose |
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| 20:46.09 | bonez39 | RyanE, sorry to take a while... |
| 20:46.20 | bonez39 | it's a Canon 1150.. big 4 color printer/copier |
| 20:47.15 | graphyx | elg: I thought you were trying to say that X window isn't a mature system... |
| 20:49.48 | goozbach | YAY!!! I get to stay in a crappy hotel |
| 20:49.57 | goozbach | damn postseason baseball |
| 20:50.08 | goozbach | ~lart dax for waiting for so long to book my hotel |
| 20:51.20 | goozbach | WOOT! that's not my hotel :-P |
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| 21:29.34 | mrpull- | WSUS is pretty slick |
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| 21:31.36 | elg | -fortune startrek |
| 21:31.37 | brac | We're all sorry for the other guy when he loses his job to a machine. But when it comes to your job -- that's different. And it always will be different. -- McCoy, "The Ultimate Computer", stardate 4729.4 |
| 21:46.59 | levi | elg: You have a chance to look at that book at all? |
| 21:47.04 | elg | no |
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| 21:49.32 | maquis | ~lart biology |
| 21:49.39 | xbmodder_ | ~agree |
| 21:49.40 | ibot | ACTION nods his head |
| 21:49.53 | xbmodder_ | ~gender |
| 21:49.55 | ibot | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 21:50.04 | xbmodder_ | ~gender |
| 21:50.06 | ibot | I'm lesbian |
| 21:51.30 | xbmodder_ | ~gender |
| 21:51.32 | ibot | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 21:51.40 | xbmodder_ | ~gender |
| 21:51.43 | ibot | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 21:51.48 | xbmodder_ | :-/ |
| 21:52.00 | RyanE | xbmodder_: A little bored today? :) |
| 21:52.29 | xbmodder_ | how'd you guess? |
| 21:52.40 | RyanE | don't you know that @ibot doesn't like his/her skirt/kilt lifted up that often? |
| 21:57.53 | graphyx | Ok. I get the error about the sound not working and that it will route /dsp to dev/null when booting up KDe. |
| 21:57.59 | graphyx | I have the sound working on an equivalent system. |
| 21:58.07 | graphyx | and the kernel compilation is the same between the two of them. |
| 21:58.19 | graphyx | What config files should I look into tweaking next? |
| 21:58.47 | tensai | do you have a /dev/dsp? |
| 21:58.53 | tensai | do you have permissions to /dev/dsp? |
| 21:59.01 | tensai | do you have the module loaded? |
| 21:59.28 | graphyx | it is a kernel compiled option. |
| 21:59.36 | graphyx | and no I don't have a /dev/dsp on the broken system. |
| 21:59.58 | tensai | is it a udev system or static /dev? |
| 22:00.22 | graphyx | I an not sure. But I think it is a static /dev |
| 22:00.29 | graphyx | I am running gentoo linux. |
| 22:00.35 | tensai | mknod /dev/dsp c 14 3 |
| 22:00.52 | tensai | is it using alsa or oss? |
| 22:01.02 | graphyx | ok I messed up. it does have the /dev/dsp |
| 22:01.03 | graphyx | alsa |
| 22:01.13 | tensai | man, it's been too long since I've had to troubleshoot sound. I don't remember all the questions. |
| 22:01.23 | tensai | do you have oss sound emulation turned on? |
| 22:01.34 | tensai | can you reconfigure kde to use alsa? |
| 22:01.34 | graphyx | would that be a kernel option? |
| 22:01.40 | graphyx | yes. |
| 22:01.49 | tensai | I think it's a kernel option |
| 22:01.52 | graphyx | I have it working in KDE 3.4 on a different system. |
| 22:02.04 | graphyx | kernel config is identical between the two systems. |
| 22:02.17 | tensai | what does "echo foo >/dev/dsp" return? |
| 22:02.30 | graphyx | no error. |
| 22:02.36 | graphyx | It accepts it just find. |
| 22:02.40 | graphyx | just fine. |
| 22:02.47 | graphyx | no return. |
| 22:02.49 | tensai | sounds like it's working then. must be a kde issue. |
| 22:02.53 | graphyx | ok |
| 22:03.37 | tensai | is artsd running? |
| 22:03.39 | JoshH | if alsa is working, just disable arts in kde |
| 22:03.40 | graphyx | Can I send a test sound to /dev/dsp to check it on a system? |
| 22:03.48 | JoshH | in the control center |
| 22:04.07 | JoshH | if alsa isnt working, just run alsaconf |
| 22:04.20 | JoshH | arts blows |
| 22:04.26 | graphyx | hmm.. |
| 22:04.40 | graphyx | I ran alsaconf and it said no support PCI cards found. |
| 22:04.47 | JoshH | is it a custom kernel? |
| 22:04.51 | graphyx | nope. |
| 22:04.54 | JoshH | what sound card? |
| 22:04.58 | graphyx | Gentoo-sources-2.6.13-r6 |
| 22:05.06 | JoshH | oh, so it is custon then |
| 22:05.13 | JoshH | since gentoo didnt configure and build it for you |
| 22:05.16 | graphyx | well gentoo-sources-2.6.11-r11 |
| 22:05.19 | graphyx | ok. |
| 22:05.22 | JoshH | did you enable all the alsa modules in it? |
| 22:05.24 | graphyx | sorry. |
| 22:05.26 | graphyx | yes. |
| 22:05.30 | JoshH | what sound card? |
| 22:05.48 | graphyx | JoshH I have an identical system that is working just fine. |
| 22:05.55 | graphyx | they are matching dells. |
| 22:06.05 | graphyx | The one that is working is running 2.6.9 |
| 22:06.08 | graphyx | the one that isn't is 2.6.11 |
| 22:06.21 | graphyx | but I haven't tweaked the config on the new one. |
| 22:06.23 | maquis | 95% of the class is pre-med students |
| 22:06.30 | maquis | the class average in past years was 50% |
| 22:06.33 | graphyx | The old was tweaked about a year ago. |
| 22:06.36 | JoshH | well what sound card is it? |
| 22:06.50 | maquis | and tthe teacher assumes that a lot of stuff is review when it isn't |
| 22:06.57 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.57 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.18 | maquis | and... my last bio class before this one was 7 years ago |
| 22:07.32 | graphyx | maquis: Why are you taking the class then? |
| 22:07.34 | graphyx | You are cs right? |
| 22:08.02 | maquis | graphyx: yeah... i... it sounded more interesting than the other bio classes? |
| 22:08.14 | maquis | and i thought it filled all my bio requirements (it doesn't actually) |
| 22:08.31 | graphyx | well then buckle your seatbelt and keep your hands and legs inside the ride at all times. |
| 22:08.33 | maquis | i want to get at least 50%, but i'm scared |
| 22:09.00 | maquis | and i didn't think it would be this hard |
| 22:09.10 | JoshH | graphyx: grep your .config for SND_INTEL |
| 22:09.52 | graphyx | CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0=y |
| 22:11.18 | JoshH | maybe it needs SND_INTEL8X0M |
| 22:12.03 | graphyx | I just cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp and I got white noise |
| 22:13.13 | JoshH | heh, what is urandom supposed to sound like |
| 22:13.18 | graphyx | Well. |
| 22:13.34 | graphyx | I did that on one system and it worked, but the main one I am working on didn't produce white nois. |
| 22:13.34 | JoshH | ive never done that, but i always just enable the alsa modules i need and alsaconf always works for me |
| 22:13.36 | graphyx | noise. |
| 22:14.20 | maquis | graphyx: have you checked alsamixer to ensure that sound is turned up and not muted? |
| 22:14.37 | JoshH | maquis: alsaconf tells him no supported pci sound cards found |
| 22:14.44 | graphyx | JoshH: Looks like it's a kernel issue or so.. |
| 22:14.50 | graphyx | the cat didn't sound off. |
| 22:14.56 | JoshH | ya, im just guessing you are missing a module or two |
| 22:22.48 | mheath | USB-over-Serial |
| 22:22.53 | mheath | yah for converters :P |
| 22:30.25 | graphyx | You mean that you pluged a cable into a serial port and install drivers and the system has a usb port? |
| 22:30.28 | graphyx | That's cool. |
| 22:31.48 | tensai | well, usb *is* the universal *serial* bus after all |
| 22:39.46 | sjansen | Man, it sure is hard to get a simple PDF to print exactly the same. |
| 22:54.09 | mheath | Ladies and gentelmen |
| 22:54.16 | mheath | You are in the presence of the worlds biggest moron] |
| 22:54.32 | mheath | I sat here forever trying to figure out why my PS2 and USB ports weren't working. |
| 22:54.43 | Tene | was it the power button? |
| 22:54.46 | mheath | I disabled both of them in the BIOS last week. |
| 22:54.47 | RyanE | BIOS? |
| 22:54.51 | RyanE | hehe |
| 22:54.55 | Tene | SOIB? |
| 22:55.11 | RyanE | bitten by the 'This is a server, why would I need USB or Keyboard?' bug, eh? |
| 22:55.32 | mheath | RyanE: Well, it was PS/2 mouse (the keyboard worked)..but, yeah :P |
| 22:55.42 | sjansen | More likely by the "Oo, look a shiny 'disable USB' button. I think I'll press it." |
| 22:57.11 | RyanE | ooh! Click the Shiney Thing! I love this game! Click! Click! Click! Click! |
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