| 00:00.00 | goozbach | arguing over terms and technicalities |
| 00:00.04 | goozbach | :) |
| 00:00.05 | maquis | mheath: you're claiming that GNU is an Operating System that runs on top of linux |
| 00:00.19 | maquis | even looking at this wikipedia article, i have no idea how you can make that claim |
| 00:00.37 | mheath | maquis: No, I'm claiming that GNU deserves to be part of the naming convention for such operating system |
| 00:00.56 | mheath | as it provides almost all of the software that makes said operating system an operating system, and makes it useful. |
| 00:01.35 | maquis | 17:52 < mheath> maquis: Hurd is the kernel of the GNU operating system. When |
| 00:01.35 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.36 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.42 | maquis | er... that didn't copy well |
| 00:01.55 | SpecialK | And I'd argue that Hurd is probably a waste of time since Linux and the BSD's are already accepted standards. |
| 00:01.55 | maquis | if you're not claiming that GNU is the operating system that runs on linux, explain what you said |
| 00:02.10 | mheath | Let me explain it this way |
| 00:02.32 | mheath | 90% of the GNU project is the GNU software. 10% is Hurd+Mach. |
| 00:02.38 | maquis | uh huh |
| 00:02.53 | SpecialK | As much as any one flavor is a standard in the OSS world. |
| 00:03.05 | maquis | so, you've got 10% of the project working on an OS, and 90% working on things that are not part of the OS |
| 00:03.13 | maquis | i can understand that |
| 00:03.31 | mheath | Torvalds and others took that 90%, added the Linux kernel to it, and then argue that they shouldn't have to put "GNU" in the name despite the fact that their finished product contains 90% of another operating system, and depends on it to opearate. |
| 00:03.45 | mheath | maquis: Opearting System == The things that make your computer useful! |
| 00:03.51 | mheath | It includes both Kernel and Software! |
| 00:03.55 | maquis | mheath: not true |
| 00:04.19 | mheath | "In computing, an operating system (OS) is the system software responsible for the direct control and management of hardware and basic system operations." |
| 00:04.26 | mheath | Note the term "Basic system operations" |
| 00:04.32 | SpecialK | And look at the millions of dollars that dirty theiving Torvalds is making off of it. |
| 00:04.34 | mheath | The basic USEFULNESS |
| 00:04.56 | maquis | basic system operations like hardware management, memory management, etc |
| 00:04.58 | goozbach | kill the FINN!!! |
| 00:05.04 | maquis | solitaire is the only thing that makes windows useful |
| 00:05.13 | maquis | does that make solitaire a piece of the operating system? |
| 00:05.26 | emcnabb | heck, I'm a card-carrying member of the FSF, and I don't think it should be called GNU Linux |
| 00:05.28 | maquis | or maybe some people claim that word is what makes windoze useful... |
| 00:05.36 | maquis | that makes word part of the OS |
| 00:05.37 | mheath | Read that wikipedia page, maquis |
| 00:05.55 | mheath | It goes on to say that such software includes the APIs that provide access to the opearting system |
| 00:06.03 | mheath | And uses as an example of such an API, the POSIX standard |
| 00:06.07 | goozbach | because we all know how ACCURATE wikipedia can be... |
| 00:06.17 | maquis | mheath: i don't think that all the things in the wikipedia page are right |
| 00:06.19 | mheath | Guess what provides the POSIX standard on GNU/Linux, maquis? |
| 00:06.41 | mheath | OK. We're arguing semantics and what the word "Operating System" means. Lets turn to the best source for such a definition...the dictionary. |
| 00:07.53 | mheath | n : (computer science) software that controls the execution of computer programs and may provide various services [syn: OS] |
| 00:08.06 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.06 | maquis | the interface to peripheral hardware, schedules tasks, |
| 00:08.06 | maquis | allocates storage, and presents a default interface to the |
| 00:08.06 | maquis | user when no application program is running. |
| 00:08.42 | mheath | maquis: and what default interface is this, on your average GNU/Linux system? :) |
| 00:08.46 | Tene | "GNU/boot", goo |
| 00:08.57 | goozbach | I don't call it GNU/Linux because I'm lazy |
| 00:09.00 | hans | "the software the supports a computer's basic functions, such as scheduling tasks, executing applications, and controlling peripherals" -- oxford american dictionary |
| 00:09.07 | emcnabb | I think everyone should have they're name in there: GNU ASF OSDL MSF Linux |
| 00:09.10 | maquis | mheath: following your definition, does GNU handle the process management on a linux box? |
| 00:09.11 | emcnabb | their |
| 00:09.37 | mheath | maquis: I never said that "Operating System" excluded Linux and was only GNU |
| 00:09.53 | mheath | Obviously Linux provides many of the things that make the Operating System an Operating System |
| 00:09.53 | goozbach | why oh why hasn't GNU/grub 2 come to FC yet? |
| 00:10.07 | maquis | mheath: no... but by your definition, that's what it does... the rest are things it "may" include |
| 00:10.19 | SpecialK | Isn't that GNU/FC? |
| 00:10.34 | goozbach | oh GNU/yeah... |
| 00:10.35 | mheath | goozbach: out of curiosity, why do you use Grub? |
| 00:10.37 | emcnabb | GNU/FC/Linux.com.txt.dll.trig.so |
| 00:10.42 | levi | My embedded linux system has no GNU code in it. |
| 00:10.43 | hans | sorry, mheath, "may provide services" doesn't qualify GNU as part of the operating system |
| 00:10.52 | goozbach | mheath: cause linuxbios isn't ready yet |
| 00:11.04 | hans | mheath: why in the world not? it beats lilo |
| 00:11.08 | maquis | mheath: anyway... i'm in the middle of a project for a CS class, so i really should get back to work, but it was an interesting discussion |
| 00:11.14 | levi | goozbach: Isn't ready for what? |
| 00:11.23 | goozbach | most hardware |
| 00:11.25 | maquis | i still disagree with you, and i'm going to continue to disagree, so... :) |
| 00:11.29 | emcnabb | maquis, keep fighting, don't give up yet! |
| 00:11.36 | mheath | hans: how? It seems rather bloated to me, for use for such a simple thing |
| 00:11.37 | emcnabb | fight fight fight! |
| 00:11.40 | levi | goozbach: Well, it has to be ported for it to work on a motherboard. |
| 00:11.49 | maquis | emcnabb: i certainly haven't given up... if you want to do my project for me, you're welcome to... :) |
| 00:11.51 | Tene | maquis: you can end it by using your super op powers to silence him |
| 00:11.52 | mheath | Too bloated, compared to lilo.. |
| 00:11.59 | goozbach | same reason I don't use hurd, but the Linux kernel with my GNU tools |
| 00:11.59 | maquis | Tene: that's cowardly |
| 00:12.02 | Tene | power is supposed to corrupt! |
| 00:12.08 | maquis | i'm not afraid to debate this with him |
| 00:12.15 | goozbach | mheath: I like the power |
| 00:12.27 | goozbach | tis "bloated" like you say |
| 00:12.33 | hans | what, 266K is too bloated for a boot loader that lets me manually edit the boot line when I forget to update my boot loader after installing a new kernel? man your priorities are screwed. |
| 00:12.37 | mheath | meh, you don't know the power of Grub :) |
| 00:13.21 | goozbach | but the interface is nicer, tis more powerfull, and I can do cool tricks like failover boots and so forth |
| 00:13.36 | maquis | unless i'm really confuddled by what he's trying to say |
| 00:13.42 | hans | i disagree, grub is not bloated |
| 00:13.42 | mheath | maquis: no, I use Lilo on my systems that just boot Linux |
| 00:13.53 | mheath | maquis: I'm saying that Grub seems inappropriate for such usages |
| 00:13.59 | maquis | mheath: yes... and you just said that we don't know the power of grub |
| 00:14.00 | mheath | I use Grub on my GNU systems |
| 00:14.08 | mheath | because its the only thing that can boot GNU |
| 00:14.09 | levi | hans: It's not worth arguing with mheath. |
| 00:14.11 | hans | mheath: seems like an awful waste of brain to have to remember how to configure both grub and lilol |
| 00:14.24 | maquis | levi: you do have a point there |
| 00:14.25 | levi | hans: Because he's never wrong, no matter how irrational he's being. |
| 00:14.44 | hans | levi: that's because he's a teenager. if nobody argues with him life loses meaning |
| 00:14.57 | levi | hans: Exactly. |
| 00:14.59 | mheath | O.o |
| 00:15.03 | Tene | hans: he has plenty of brain to spare because he doesn't worry about silly things like "making sense" and "being right" |
| 00:15.18 | mheath | Me: Why do you use Grub? Seems kind of bloated for just booting Linux |
| 00:15.21 | Bradipo | mheath: Both Grub and LILO are both for sissies. Just boot the kernel directly. |
| 00:15.25 | mheath | You all: Because we like grub! |
| 00:15.40 | goozbach | ok, lets not get into the name calling or any of that garbage |
| 00:15.41 | mheath | Me: I was just wondering....Just seems kind of a waste |
| 00:15.50 | mheath | You all: YOu argue too much! You're never wrong! |
| 00:15.55 | Tene | 18:12 < mheath> meh, you don't know the power of Grub :) |
| 00:16.12 | Bradipo | goozbach: No name calling here, real men don't need bootloaders (no offense intended maquis). |
| 00:16.20 | goozbach | we can argue valid points, but geeez man lets not make it personal |
| 00:16.23 | maquis | Bradipo: :) |
| 00:16.23 | mheath | Tene: I'm familiar with several features of Grub that I bet no one in this room has ever used nor is familiar with |
| 00:16.31 | mheath | Tene: I was joking, but that was a truthful comment. |
| 00:16.52 | Tene | so... "it's too bloated" - "you underestimate its power" |
| 00:17.13 | Bradipo | Of course, these days, kernels are so bloated they can't be booted without a loader, so it makes it that much more challenging. |
| 00:17.18 | maquis | Tene: that's what i was pointing out... but he says he wasn't contradicting himself... :) |
| 00:17.20 | mheath | Tene: Yes. I use Grub for my GNU systems. |
| 00:17.31 | Tene | and what's the problem with using it for linux systems? |
| 00:17.33 | mheath | However, I don't see any reason to use it for my Linux systems |
| 00:17.35 | *** mode/#utah [+o goozbach] by ChanServ |
| 00:17.41 | mheath | I really don't care what you use |
| 00:17.42 | JoshH | mheath: what features |
| 00:17.45 | mheath | I was just asking why people use it |
| 00:17.49 | mheath | What their motivations were |
| 00:17.52 | mheath | It was just a question |
| 00:17.54 | maquis | uh oh |
| 00:18.08 | Bradipo | I switched to grub because it was first to overcome the 1024 cylinder limit. |
| 00:18.15 | maquis | goo's got op... :) |
| 00:18.15 | Bradipo | If I recall correctly. |
| 00:18.25 | levi | I use grub because I like the additional features it provides, and there are no significant drawbacks to using it. |
| 00:18.29 | goozbach | I use it for the abiitly to do interactive booting |
| 00:18.30 | JoshH | i first switched to grub because it was the easiest to get a splash screen working with |
| 00:18.39 | JoshH | but these days i dont care and i just use lilo |
| 00:18.44 | mheath | JoshH: Its the only bootloader than implements the multiboot spec, for one |
| 00:18.47 | Bradipo | JoshH: That was one of the other reasons... |
| 00:18.57 | goozbach | and the fact that it implements the multiboot spec |
| 00:19.28 | goozbach | geez chanserv... 2 minutes to op me? |
| 00:19.33 | mheath | goozbach: You just as good as admitted that you use GNU (with mach+hurd) :) Mach and hurd are the only things that exist currently which utilize the multiboot spec :) |
| 00:19.41 | JoshH | also if you make a change to lilo and then somehow forget to reinstall it |
| 00:19.43 | JoshH | which ive done before |
| 00:19.51 | JoshH | its a pain because you have to reboot an extra time |
| 00:20.08 | mheath | Grub has the ability to load binaries into wherever in memory you want them to load |
| 00:20.09 | goozbach | by the time it happened I didn't need it anymore |
| 00:20.25 | mheath | For example, Grub boots GNU Mach |
| 00:20.40 | *** join/#utah spr (n=spr@c-24-10-236-93.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 00:20.40 | mheath | Then it loads the GNU Hurd init server |
| 00:20.54 | goozbach | and it boots windows well |
| 00:20.54 | levi | mheath: Apparently OpenSolaris uses multiboot now, too. |
| 00:21.18 | mheath | levi: really? That's interesting |
| 00:21.32 | goozbach | number one reason, grub command line |
| 00:21.52 | levi | mheath: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/setje/20050614 |
| 00:22.32 | mheath | ahh |
| 00:23.02 | goozbach | DRAT!!! I need these new features of GRUB but RH/FC still ship only 0.95... |
| 00:23.11 | goozbach | rebuilt rpms here I come |
| 00:23.28 | *** join/#utah drewbono (n=andrew@c-24-2-95-76.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 00:23.35 | mheath | I really do wish that Hurd had more support |
| 00:23.38 | mheath | Translators are amazing |
| 00:23.47 | mheath | A really ingenious and useful idea |
| 00:23.58 | levi | I wish Lisp had more support. |
| 00:24.16 | levi | C'est la vie. |
| 00:24.59 | mheath | I do things on my Linux system every day that make me think "I could do this a lot better/easier if I had translators" or "I wish I had translators so I could do __" |
| 00:25.54 | levi | I do things every day that make me think, "This would be so much easier if I could do it in Lisp!" |
| 00:26.22 | maquis | i do things every day that make me think "wow... i shouldn't've done that!" |
| 00:26.54 | levi | maquis: Probably all of us do things that /should/ make us think that. :) |
| 00:27.06 | maquis | levi: :D |
| 00:28.29 | goozbach | 12 patches to grub??? |
| 00:28.31 | goozbach | geez |
| 00:28.39 | maquis | ~mock goozbach |
| 00:28.40 | ibot | ACTION pulls goozbach's pants down and shows the world goozbach's pink spotted underwear |
| 00:28.42 | goozbach | what's there to patch |
| 00:28.46 | goozbach | hey!!! |
| 00:28.57 | graphyx | Good evening. |
| 00:29.01 | colera | how do i get to the cups web interface again? |
| 00:29.09 | graphyx | localhost:631 |
| 00:29.11 | maquis | graphyx: nice time to come in |
| 00:29.14 | colera | coo |
| 00:29.14 | goozbach | speaking of which... I need to buy ne pants |
| 00:29.17 | graphyx | http://localhost:631/ |
| 00:29.25 | colera | graphyx: thanks |
| 00:29.58 | goozbach | mandriva can use the latest grub version... why not FC/RH? |
| 00:29.59 | graphyx | sure |
| 00:30.13 | graphyx | cause RH loves to back port. |
| 00:30.18 | graphyx | It's a sign of being stable.. |
| 00:30.19 | graphyx | Like debian. |
| 00:30.31 | levi | Time to head home. |
| 00:30.34 | graphyx | Have to use 2.4 kernel to show people we really care about being stable. |
| 00:33.43 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.37 | maquis | er... |
| 00:35.44 | maquis | BN_mod(total,(BN_mul(total,total,(BN_mod(BN_exp(2,i)),p,ctx))),p,ctx); |
| 00:35.45 | maquis | BN_mod(total,(BN_mul(total,total,(BN_mod(BN_exp(2,i)),p,ctx))),p,ctx); |
| 00:35.49 | maquis | oops |
| 00:37.02 | maquis | forgot a part again |
| 00:37.03 | maquis | grr |
| 00:39.54 | maquis | http://students.cs.byu.edu/~sharmahd/vimDied.jpg |
| 00:39.57 | maquis | *sniff* |
| 00:40.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:40.23 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: not really |
| 00:40.42 | ScytheBlade1 | kinda ;) |
| 00:40.57 | ScytheBlade1 | the fact that you screen shot it and give it omage says things ;) |
| 00:41.13 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: you'd probably appreciate most of the other screenshots i have... |
| 00:41.20 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 00:41.21 | ScytheBlade1 | links? |
| 00:41.31 | maquis | most of them are in the "this went crazy, and i don't know what to do" |
| 00:41.35 | maquis | i think there's a foo.jpg there |
| 00:41.41 | maquis | and there's also tinyNewEgg.jpg |
| 00:41.44 | maquis | and huh.jpg |
| 00:41.47 | maquis | and weirdness.jpg |
| 00:41.52 | maquis | enjoy |
| 00:42.26 | ScytheBlade1 | huh.jpg turns up 404 |
| 00:42.49 | Tene | Huh. |
| 00:43.31 | goozbach | you need to allow indexes for those pictures |
| 00:43.39 | goozbach | or put all the screenshots in a subdir, which should index automaticly |
| 00:49.10 | scott | exit |
| 00:49.50 | goozbach | go to the metreon |
| 00:49.59 | *** mode/#utah [-o goozbach] by goozbach |
| 00:50.22 | goozbach | blasted... that didn't work |
| 00:50.59 | Tene | tried to drop +o? |
| 00:51.01 | Tene | I saw it... |
| 00:51.32 | graphyx | he succeeded in dropping +o |
| 00:52.32 | elg | but did he get to the metreon? |
| 00:52.37 | Tene | Yes, but he got a +o earlier and then didn't see it for a few minutes. |
| 00:53.32 | goozbach | Tene: not that |
| 00:53.39 | goozbach | my grub super config |
| 00:53.44 | goozbach | the goal... |
| 00:54.01 | goozbach | to cascade down the grub boot stanzas until one works |
| 00:54.03 | elg | yay, my asterisk book has shipped |
| 00:54.12 | graphyx | nice. |
| 00:54.18 | graphyx | You purchase it or write it? |
| 00:54.26 | elg | hah. purchase :) |
| 00:54.33 | graphyx | never know. |
| 00:54.34 | elg | oddly, amazon estimates it will arrive oct 17 |
| 00:54.46 | elg | only room for one asterisk book author on #utah. ;-) |
| 00:54.53 | graphyx | I had two friends publish books on asterisk this last couple of months.. |
| 00:55.03 | graphyx | the other doesn't frequent #utah |
| 00:55.33 | elg | i'll be satisfied with landing some asterisk contracts |
| 00:55.46 | elg | of course, most people here have never heard of voip. :) |
| 00:55.56 | graphyx | Where is here? |
| 00:55.57 | goozbach | ok now to really go to the metreon |
| 00:56.06 | elg | but, the x prize cup is being held here this weekend |
| 00:56.10 | elg | las cruces, nm |
| 00:56.18 | graphyx | ok. |
| 01:04.36 | tensai | mmm. homemade granola bars in the oven |
| 01:04.50 | tensai | elg: you going to the launch then? I demand pictures! |
| 01:05.19 | tensai | I demand autographs from John "The Armadillo" Carmack! |
| 01:24.02 | *** join/#utah levi (n=levi@levi.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 01:27.56 | *** join/#utah wps (n=wade@65.73.113.199) |
| 01:40.12 | *** join/#utah xbmodder_firefox (i=nobody@dsl092-015-136.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 01:42.07 | *** join/#utah Tene (n=tene@poipu/supporter/slacker/tene) |
| 01:42.56 | xbmodder_firefox | anyone here have some skypeout minutes? |
| 01:58.54 | *** join/#utah xbmodder_firefox (i=nobody@dsl092-015-136.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 01:59.13 | xbmodder_firefox | anyone here got some skypein/out? |
| 02:39.12 | *** join/#utah amcnabb (n=amcnabb@c-24-10-236-93.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 02:54.02 | *** join/#utah xbmodder_lappy (i=nobody@dsl092-015-136.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 02:54.08 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 02:54.12 | xbmodder_lappy | sup? |
| 02:54.18 | mheath | Good evening. |
| 02:54.29 | graphyx | how come you switched from username xbmodder_firefox to xbmodder_lappy? |
| 02:54.36 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone here got skype{in,out} |
| 02:54.45 | xbmodder_lappy | graphyx, because that was firefox |
| 02:54.50 | xbmodder_lappy | and this is lappy |
| 02:54.50 | graphyx | nope.. just plain skype |
| 02:54.57 | graphyx | your computer is named firefox? |
| 02:55.08 | mheath | xbmodder: You've asked that question 3 times now, within 12 lines of conversation :) |
| 02:55.27 | xbmodder_lappy | do you know if I can conference with multiple people through skype in/out? |
| 02:55.38 | graphyx | I don't. |
| 02:56.15 | xbmodder_lappy | Do you guys know of any good way to carry out phone conferences? |
| 02:56.25 | *** join/#utah scott_ (i=scott@crackaddict.com) |
| 02:57.20 | mheath | No...not at all... :) |
| 03:00.57 | scott_ | are color resumes not accepted by some employers? |
| 03:01.20 | mheath | I don't see why they wouldn't be O.o |
| 03:01.34 | mheath | Then again, I'm not exactly the person to ask about such subjects |
| 03:01.36 | xbmodder_lappy | they annoy some people |
| 03:01.44 | scott_ | I imagine it's fine if they view it electronically or I print it for them, but if they print them then I guess I'd be screwed cause the margins are bad and it might look horrible on their printer |
| 03:01.57 | scott_ | xbmodder_lappy: oh yeah? |
| 03:02.12 | mheath | xbmodder: Did you turn in a rainbow colored resume when you applied at McDonalds? :) |
| 03:02.24 | xbmodder_lappy | thats not funny mheath |
| 03:02.46 | mheath | Really? I thought it was hilarious. |
| 03:02.48 | xbmodder_lappy | On monster I've sean please do not use colour. |
| 03:03.46 | mheath | And we all know that Monster's resume writing tips are the authoritive source of information that scott_ should utilize while writing a resume. |
| 03:04.18 | xbmodder_lappy | Monster links off site sometimes |
| 03:04.28 | xbmodder_lappy | and they tell you to do certain things. |
| 03:04.37 | xbmodder_lappy | like one was "use ASCII" |
| 03:05.29 | graphyx | I think a good method is to have links to whatever format people want.. |
| 03:05.32 | graphyx | .doc .pdf Ascii. |
| 03:05.38 | graphyx | And then you pick what is best for the situation. |
| 03:05.39 | mheath | xbmodder: That means "Don't submit a resume that uses weird russian character sets" |
| 03:07.08 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, this is xbmodder_lappy btw |
| 03:07.35 | xbmodder_lappy | that means "Don't submit resumes with weird fonts and formatting" |
| 03:08.31 | graphyx | Well so far in the past two times I have had to tweak security tools that I have downloaded. |
| 03:08.41 | graphyx | Makes me feel much more like a hacker to be able to tweak them correctly.. |
| 03:11.59 | *** join/#utah drewbono (n=andrew@c-24-2-95-76.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 03:15.47 | mheath | xbmodder: I'm not going to inconvenience myself and my habits of tab completion because you insist on having clones of yourself in here :) |
| 03:16.22 | graphyx | What was that one movie that Tom Hanks played the guy that had like 9 copies of himself? |
| 03:16.23 | graphyx | Duplicity? |
| 03:16.29 | graphyx | Multiplicity |
| 03:16.30 | graphyx | ? |
| 03:17.56 | mheath | Theres a movie called Multiplicity, but it doesn't have Tom Hanks |
| 03:18.52 | graphyx | hmm.. |
| 03:18.59 | graphyx | Ok forgot it then. |
| 03:19.04 | graphyx | ~hide |
| 03:19.05 | ibot | ACTION runs away to shelter. |
| 03:19.40 | graphyx | ~hide graphyx |
| 03:23.19 | mheath | http://mheath.datamachine.net/images/bravo.png |
| 03:23.25 | mheath | Finally got my copy of that :) |
| 03:23.31 | mheath | That picture, that is |
| 03:26.43 | mheath | Wow, that seems like yesterday |
| 03:26.48 | graphyx | Well it is good to know that I have exited the "script-kiddie" realm of security after having written a number of nasl scripts. |
| 03:27.28 | graphyx | nite, y'alls/ |
| 03:30.31 | colera | if i want to write a simple shell script that call a command like x lock but i want it to call a different iteration of xlock depening on a flag i give it like "-c blue" for example how would i do that? can i just make a simple if statement referencing the arguement that i pass it on the command line?> |
| 03:33.45 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, do you have a picture of yourself in your naval uniform? |
| 03:33.57 | mheath | xbmodder: I just showed you one :) |
| 03:34.30 | mheath | It's a game. You get to guess who I am ;) |
| 03:36.41 | mheath | xbmodder: And you need to not look at the index for http://mheath.datamachine.net/images/ and discover that theres a navy.png in there |
| 03:37.00 | mheath | (though thats a really, really, bad pic.....before I got the jumper for my uniform altered so it fit correctly) |
| 03:38.03 | mheath | I'm going to take a better picture of me when I'm in uniform again, a week from saturday |
| 03:39.29 | xbmodder_lappy | http://mheath.datamachine.net/images/card.jpg |
| 03:39.32 | xbmodder_lappy | hehe |
| 03:39.51 | xbmodder_lappy | http://mheath.datamachine.net/images/me.jpg |
| 03:40.08 | xbmodder_lappy | is that you: http://mheath.datamachine.net/images/navy.jpg ? |
| 03:40.23 | mheath | A hideously horrible and quick picture of me. |
| 03:40.53 | xbmodder_lappy | i like the mockups of deskos |
| 03:42.08 | mheath | Wow, I should really change my homepage.. |
| 03:42.13 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah.. |
| 03:42.22 | ScytheBlade1 | about:blank is a nice homepage, imo |
| 03:42.45 | Tene | I like it. |
| 03:43.26 | mheath | The other use of the word. |
| 03:43.30 | mheath | http://mheath.datamachine.net |
| 03:43.43 | mheath | which invites spam to dead e-mail adresses for a training I went to months ago |
| 03:45.21 | xbmodder_lappy | http://justcurio.us/HowDoYouSpendYourMoney < lol |
| 03:45.42 | xbmodder_lappy | search for xbmodder@gm |
| 03:45.52 | xbmodder_lappy | (which is my e-mail addy) :) |
| 03:46.29 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ "I donate quite a bit of it to xbmodder@gmail.com via paypal. He is some guy who helps you set up his servers and computers if you donate to him." |
| 03:47.12 | *** join/#utah hans (n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net) |
| 03:47.31 | mheath | Then again, I doubt you're even familiar with half the operating systems I run :P |
| 03:47.58 | xbmodder_lappy | why not? |
| 03:48.06 | xbmodder_lappy | of a linux server |
| 03:48.19 | Tene | I run straight linux and I still wouldn't trust him with any sort of access to any server I've touched. |
| 03:48.40 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: Come back when you can administrate my Amoeba cluster :) |
| 03:48.41 | xbmodder_lappy | you guys think I am a complete idiot don't you? |
| 03:48.50 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: yes. |
| 03:48.53 | Tene | not *just* an idiot |
| 03:49.11 | ScytheBlade1 | the whole "xbmodder" as a nick doesn't help things, imo |
| 03:49.12 | Tene | also morally questionable |
| 03:49.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't think you're an idiot, as I don't know you yet ;) |
| 03:49.27 | RyanE | and *I* don't care. |
| 03:49.33 | ScytheBlade1 | but "xbmodder" just screams xbox live thirteen year old with a mouth |
| 03:49.33 | Tene | Even if you seemed to be technically competent, which you don't, I still wouldn't trust you. |
| 03:49.51 | ScytheBlade1 | (no offense, heh, and I don't have too much room to speak...) |
| 03:50.04 | Tene | ScytheBlade1: that's pretty much what he is, except a few years older |
| 03:50.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:50.17 | xbmodder_lappy | then again I would never l would never let any of you touch mine |
| 03:50.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Again, I don't really know him, so I'll reserve the right to learn and watch and decide later ;) |
| 03:50.37 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: Heh, I'll let you know when I want to play with a couple old redhat servers :) |
| 03:54.58 | xbmodder_lappy | So you guys want me to change my nick |
| 03:55.01 | xbmodder_lappy | thats great |
| 03:55.09 | xbmodder_lappy | It took me two years the last time.g |
| 03:55.14 | Tene | err... we don't care about it |
| 03:55.32 | Tene | argh... this stupid php app uses a stupid obfuscation library |
| 03:56.35 | xbmodder_lappy | I don't seem technically competent? How would I pass the RHCE |
| 03:57.05 | mheath | The RHCE means nothing. |
| 03:57.09 | Tene | from the things you talk about and say in the channel in general |
| 03:57.14 | xbmodder_lappy | True |
| 03:57.15 | mheath | And that :) |
| 03:57.28 | xbmodder_lappy | I have looked through the logs of me |
| 03:57.34 | xbmodder_lappy | I sound like an idiot :) |
| 03:58.00 | mheath | And "Knowing how to do basic administration of a redhat box" != "Intelligence" |
| 03:59.48 | RyanE | knowing when to shut up would help, too (not just you, but most people including myself). |
| 04:00.21 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE, is that a hint to STFU? |
| 04:00.40 | RyanE | nope. |
| 04:00.44 | mheath | RyanE: well said :) |
| 04:00.45 | RyanE | just some friendly advice. |
| 04:00.49 | xbmodder_lappy | Eh, I run a couple servers, one of which contains the E-mail daemon for a multi-million dollar company |
| 04:00.52 | RyanE | aimed at mheath. :) |
| 04:00.53 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE, thx.... |
| 04:01.07 | xbmodder_lappy | Thats one of the things about being 14-15 you just keep rambling |
| 04:02.29 | ScytheBlade1 | http://justcurio.us/HowDoYouSpendYourMoney <-- I added one :P |
| 04:03.52 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
| 04:04.49 | ScytheBlade1 | http://justcurio.us/q_answers.php?q=76 <-- that one is pretty good :P |
| 04:15.22 | xbmodder_lappy | what comes after 8192? |
| 04:15.28 | RyanE | 8193 |
| 04:15.32 | xbmodder_lappy | 16384 |
| 04:15.46 | xbmodder_lappy | 32768 |
| 04:15.50 | RyanE | 65536 |
| 04:16.30 | xbmodder_lappy | http://justcurio.us/q_answers.php?q=32768 |
| 04:16.34 | xbmodder_lappy | thank you |
| 04:16.53 | xbmodder_lappy | 65536 |
| 04:16.55 | xbmodder_lappy | 131072 |
| 04:18.41 | xbmodder_lappy | 262144 |
| 04:18.53 | xbmodder_lappy | 524288 |
| 04:21.08 | xbmodder_lappy | ping |
| 04:21.23 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.40 | xbmodder_lappy | great |
| 04:24.04 | levi | Ahhh, it's good to sit down again. |
| 04:29.28 | levi | hans: Did you see my latest lisp blog entry? |
| 04:29.39 | hans | no not yet |
| 04:30.19 | levi | It's related to computer music. |
| 04:35.43 | hans | ooh, IF and CM at the same time |
| 04:36.41 | hans | oh, and there's a ruby shell in the works now. could be cool but I was a little turned off by the apparent curses requirement |
| 04:37.17 | hans | i'll have to take a look at quoth. IF has always interested me |
| 04:38.33 | maquis | what's wrong with this line: memset(total,'\0',64); |
| 04:38.54 | maquis | the error given is: keyExchange.c:39: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ‘memset’ |
| 04:39.09 | *** join/#utah LiNoobux (n=LiNoobux@c-67-171-122-139.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 04:40.25 | Mecworks | maquis, you probably arn't including the header file where memset is defined and the compiler is thinking you are defineing it here. |
| 04:41.31 | levi | maquis: Are you including <string.h> in that file? |
| 04:41.56 | levi | hans: Did you watch the little demo? |
| 04:42.13 | maquis | levi: no |
| 04:42.25 | maquis | Mecworks: i didn't think i'd ever had to include anything for memset |
| 04:42.27 | levi | maquis: That's the problem, then. |
| 04:42.30 | maquis | i'll check the manpage, though |
| 04:42.34 | maquis | levi: really? |
| 04:42.48 | levi | maquis: You always have to include the header file where functions are declared. |
| 04:42.56 | maquis | whatdjaknow... |
| 04:43.03 | maquis | levi: i didn't know it was there... |
| 04:43.07 | maquis | that's weird... |
| 04:43.14 | levi | maquis: That's what the man pages are for. :) |
| 04:43.24 | Mecworks | :) |
| 04:44.00 | levi | Why's it weird? How else is the compiler supposed to know what the signature of a function is? |
| 04:44.43 | maquis | levi: i just don't see why it's in string.h |
| 04:44.47 | maquis | i never use it for strings |
| 04:45.22 | hans | levi: no i haven't |
| 04:45.50 | Mecworks | nor do I have a clue |
| 04:45.54 | levi | Actually, it does try to guess; it's only a problem when it guesses incorrectly. Yet another stupid 'feature' of C's type system. |
| 04:46.46 | Mecworks | it was also a warning which means that if you are not compiling with -g, it will most likely succeed. I think -g halts on warings. |
| 04:48.05 | levi | string.h is as good a place to put it as any. The memory it writes could as easily be interpreted as a string as anything else. |
| 04:48.36 | levi | It's useful for zeroing out a string. |
| 04:49.00 | levi | So when you write characters into the buffer, you're guaranteed null-termination. |
| 04:50.03 | levi | hans: The little movie shows an interactive session, where he creates and talks to a couple of sound-playing objects. It's quite entertaining. :) |
| 04:50.46 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
| 04:53.34 | goozbach | now THATS a movie I gotta see again |
| 04:54.25 | hans | goozbach: did you just go see herbie? |
| 04:55.02 | goozbach | River Tam++ |
| 04:55.17 | levi | Heh. |
| 04:56.50 | goozbach | Joss Whedon is my master now. |
| 05:00.43 | maquis | wha?? bu?? /me cries |
| 05:08.27 | *** join/#utah Hhhhh (n=cristoba@c-67-169-244-47.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 05:08.35 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 05:08.37 | maquis | anyone here know the BIGNUM libraries? |
| 05:08.51 | levi | Hello, Hhhhh. |
| 05:09.28 | maquis | C gurus... please? |
| 05:10.25 | levi | No, I haven't used the bignum libraries. |
| 05:10.38 | levi | And I certainly have no desire to! Bleh. |
| 05:10.57 | maquis | i want to just use the BN_mod_exp call |
| 05:11.03 | maquis | but that defeats the entire point of the project |
| 05:13.07 | *** join/#utah SpecialK (n=sjk36@fruits.cs.byu.edu) |
| 05:13.27 | SpecialK | ~duck maquis |
| 05:13.29 | ibot | ACTION gives maquis a fuzzy, ugly little duckling, which immediately grows into a full sized swan and which pummels maquis with it's big white wings. |
| 05:14.41 | levi | So you need to implement a modular exponent operation on arbitrary-sized integers? |
| 05:15.35 | SpecialK | ibot, duck $name is <action> gives $name a fuzzy, ugly little duckling, which immediately grows into a full sized swan and pummels $name with it's big white wings. |
| 05:15.36 | ibot | ACTION gives $name is <action> gives $name a fuzzy, ugly little duckling, which immediately grows into a full sized swan and pummels $name with it's big white wings. a fuzzy, ugly little duckling, which immediately grows into a full sized swan and which pummels $name is <action> gives $name a fuzzy, ugly little duckling, which immediately grows into a full sized ... |
| 05:16.38 | SpecialK | ibot no, duck $name is <action> gives $name a fuzzy, ugly little duckling, which immediately grows into a full sized swan and pummels $name with it's big white wings. |
| 05:16.40 | ibot | SpecialK: okay |
| 05:17.07 | maquis | levi: not arbitrary size |
| 05:17.15 | maquis | 512-bit integers |
| 05:17.23 | SpecialK | stupid bot |
| 05:17.38 | maquis | and my understanding is that we're not supposed to use the BN_mod_exp function... :) |
| 05:17.49 | levi | maquis: Yeah, probably not. :) |
| 05:18.03 | maquis | levi: the problems i'm running into are these: |
| 05:18.26 | maquis | A) i can't say BN_exp (foo,2,i) because 2 and i are not BIGNUMs |
| 05:18.43 | maquis | B) i can't set a BIGNUM to anything |
| 05:18.57 | maquis | like, i can't say BIGNUM foo = 2 |
| 05:18.57 | levi | Heh. |
| 05:19.10 | maquis | or if i can', i can't figure out how |
| 05:19.19 | levi | There must be an int-to-bignum function. |
| 05:20.50 | maquis | levi: i'm looking at man bn |
| 05:20.54 | maquis | and i'm not seeing it anywher |
| 05:20.55 | maquis | e |
| 05:21.26 | maquis | there is a BN_value_1... |
| 05:21.40 | maquis | which i guess i could use for setting a bignum to 2... |
| 05:21.48 | maquis | and i suppose i could keep shifting til i got to 512 |
| 05:21.58 | maquis | but that seems like a pretty wrong way to do it |
| 05:21.59 | levi | maquis: Oh, it converts strings to bignums. |
| 05:22.28 | RyanE | BN_set_word? |
| 05:22.42 | levi | Which makes sense, since you can only fit a tiny fraction of bignums into an integer. |
| 05:22.54 | maquis | levi: where? |
| 05:23.32 | maquis | *BN_bin2bn ?? |
| 05:23.42 | levi | BN_dec2bn |
| 05:23.46 | levi | And the bin2bn |
| 05:24.51 | maquis | ah.. |
| 05:25.00 | maquis | ok.. that'll make things a bit easier, i suppose |
| 05:25.18 | levi | Also BN_hex2bn |
| 05:25.37 | levi | Are you even allowed to use the bignum library? |
| 05:25.44 | maquis | levi: yup |
| 05:26.10 | levi | Huh. Weird that you can use some of it, but not the function that does what you want. |
| 05:26.31 | RyanE | so why can't you set it with BN_set_word? |
| 05:26.32 | maquis | it's because we're supposed to be learning modular exponentiation |
| 05:26.49 | RyanE | to set the 2 and the i? |
| 05:40.21 | *** join/#utah linuxalien (n=zaphod@c-24-2-80-89.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 05:46.23 | *** join/#utah colera (n=colera@158.91.203.5) |
| 05:46.45 | colera | anyone know a good howto on bash level scripting? |
| 06:42.52 | *** join/#utah bigdog_ut (n=bigdog_u@shylonhunter.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 06:53.22 | *** join/#utah Hhhhh (n=cristoba@c-67-169-244-47.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 07:02.58 | *** join/#utah findlay (n=justin@63.98.126.43) |
| 07:03.17 | findlay | I wish sjansen would sing us a song |
| 07:03.58 | findlay | all your root servers are belong to US |
| 07:19.32 | findlay | oh, I wish sjansen would sing us a song, how I wish he would |
| 07:20.11 | Hhhhh | Roses are #FF00000 |
| 07:20.16 | Hhhhh | Violets are #0000FF |
| 07:20.20 | Hhhhh | All my base |
| 07:20.23 | Hhhhh | are belong to you |
| 07:20.26 | Hhhhh | @->-- |
| 08:22.06 | *** join/#utah bigdog_ut (n=bigdog_u@shylonhunter.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 10:24.11 | xbmodder_lappy | morning |
| 13:11.53 | *** join/#utah Newsome (n=sorenson@216-190-206-130.customer.csolutions.net) |
| 13:22.29 | *** join/#utah sjansen (n=sjansen@buscaluz.org) |
| 13:23.17 | sjansen | ~congratulate goozbach |
| 13:23.21 | ibot | ACTION congratulates goozbach on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 13:46.32 | *** join/#utah hans (n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net) |
| 13:47.46 | dataw0lf | ... what type of brick is that? |
| 13:49.34 | graphyx | dog turd style |
| 13:51.19 | *** join/#utah sjansen_ (n=sjansen@buscaluz.org) |
| 13:56.22 | sjansen | Sounds like goozbach needs to make sure his pathport is up-to-date so he can be sent to Barthelona. |
| 14:03.35 | colera | i need to unzip a tar.bz2 file what is the command line? |
| 14:07.02 | sjansen | man tar |
| 14:07.16 | sjansen | specifically, tar xvfj foo.tar.bz2 |
| 14:07.46 | hans | v is for sissies |
| 14:08.39 | sjansen | hans: tar is for sissies, real men decompress with hex editors |
| 14:15.03 | colera | sjansen: haha |
| 14:17.18 | colera | hmm gave error i did "tar xvfj foo.tar.bz2 |
| 14:19.46 | hans | who the heck is Airborne Home? I'd like to see the Airborne vehicle that takes 11 days to get to my house from amazon HQ |
| 14:20.10 | *** join/#utah wps (n=wade@66.237.80.85) |
| 14:22.14 | sjansen | maybe I should have said |
| 14:33.28 | *** join/#utah wps (n=wade@66.237.80.85) |
| 14:37.25 | colera | hmm gave error i did "tar xvfj foo.tar.bz2 |
| 14:37.31 | colera | oh lol |
| 14:37.34 | colera | sorry double post |
| 14:38.11 | colera | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 14:38.19 | colera | that ^ is the error |
| 14:38.50 | colera | and yes i am a he |
| 14:40.10 | sjansen | that's a pretty easy one, you don't have bzip2 installed |
| 14:41.59 | colera | oh okay cool |
| 14:42.34 | colera | i thought it the no such file or dir was in reference to the file i passed |
| 14:42.35 | colera | guess not |
| 14:46.15 | *** join/#utah Jayce^ (n=Jayce_@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 14:46.15 | *** mode/#utah [+o Jayce^] by ChanServ |
| 14:46.26 | *** part/#utah colera (n=colera@158.91.203.5) |
| 14:50.34 | *** join/#utah bzob_l (n=bzob_l@office-nat.singleedge.com) |
| 14:52.20 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (n=emcnabb@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 14:56.41 | *** join/#utah tiwula (n=lane@208-186-97-26.customer.csolutions.net) |
| 15:06.12 | *** join/#utah phinux (n=phinux@iocane.cs.byu.edu) |
| 15:15.51 | *** join/#utah synic (n=synic@pdpc/supporter/student/synic) |
| 15:26.51 | *** join/#utah hans (n=fugalh@dhcp12.cs.nmsu.edu) |
| 15:33.40 | scott_ | what is the permissions number that web files should have? (not executable ones) |
| 15:34.39 | *** join/#utah levi (n=levi@66.239.25.2.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 15:36.28 | sjansen | depends on your server config, now doesn't it? |
| 15:37.27 | levi | Morning. |
| 15:37.47 | levi | What's up with plug? Did people run out of things to flame about? |
| 15:38.15 | mrpull- | ~torch levi |
| 15:38.17 | ibot | ACTION sets levi on fire. |
| 15:43.10 | sjansen | Well now this isn't good... |
| 15:45.34 | mrpull- | sjansen: what? that my second fantasy football WR is not going to play this weekend? And two other positions are have byes? |
| 15:45.48 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker) |
| 15:45.48 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 15:45.48 | *** join/#utah colera (n=colera@byu290172wks.byu.edu) |
| 15:49.38 | *** join/#utah wps_ (n=wade@66.237.80.85) |
| 15:50.49 | *** part/#utah phinux (n=phinux@iocane.cs.byu.edu) |
| 15:56.07 | goozbach | http://www.gshotts.com/HUMOR/BreakfastAtFrys/breakfas.htm |
| 16:01.15 | *** join/#utah hans (n=fugalh@hfugal.NMSU.Edu) |
| 16:01.58 | emcnabb | maquis, you around? |
| 16:04.17 | maquis | emcnabb: yup |
| 16:04.22 | maquis | nice timing |
| 16:08.56 | *** join/#utah jakea (n=jakea@byu291222wks.byu.edu) |
| 16:18.28 | maquis | gah... |
| 16:18.32 | hans | ...hag |
| 16:18.39 | maquis | hans: hi :) |
| 16:18.42 | hans | jakea: what'sup? |
| 16:19.00 | *** join/#utah tensai_ (n=tensai@207.141.37.66) |
| 16:20.45 | hans | jakea: 80 days until Christmas |
| 16:20.53 | tensai_ | ~lart hans |
| 16:25.20 | hans | hey cool, the RIAA is going after satellite radio now |
| 16:25.38 | tensai_ | awesome! I love managed switches. |
| 16:25.43 | hans | that's probably a mistake on their part |
| 16:27.12 | levi | Stupid RIAA. |
| 16:27.50 | *** join/#utah flyboy^ (n=flyboy@ded1005.west-datacenter.net) |
| 16:27.57 | *** join/#utah hans (n=fugalh@hfugal.NMSU.Edu) |
| 16:31.52 | maquis | #@$$#%$#%@$^%$^45 |
| 16:31.58 | maquis | malloc's segfaulting |
| 16:32.28 | maquis | and BN_new is segfaulting |
| 16:32.39 | maquis | and seg-faults are bouncing around every time i try to run it |
| 16:32.46 | sjansen | Well, my day just got a whole lot more exciting for about an hour there. |
| 16:34.07 | sjansen | Had a switch die in the middle of an exam. Thankfully, it picked the best possible time to die, we were ahead of schedule, and I should still be able to make my plane this evening. |
| 16:35.04 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@dhcp12.cs.nmsu.edu) |
| 16:35.14 | mrpull- | sjansen: how did it die? lose power? how often do switches die? |
| 16:36.19 | sjansen | Suddenly stopped routing packets. No idea why. Looks like sudden hardware failure. |
| 16:36.28 | tensai_ | maquis: sounds like an overflow error. you're writing to data you shouldn't be. |
| 16:36.50 | mrpull- | yikes. what brand is the switch? |
| 16:37.22 | sjansen | *shrug* Didn't notice for sure. Probably 3com. |
| 16:38.36 | sjansen | Lousy sort of problem, but a real blessing the way it happened. The timing couldn't have been any better (unless it'd happened another day or to another person). |
| 16:39.09 | maquis | tensai_: but... i don't know how i'm doing that |
| 16:39.26 | sjansen | The examinees were eating lunch and I was in the middle of running tests to make sure everything was good to go. |
| 16:39.54 | tensai_ | maquis: bad array offset, already free'd memory |
| 16:40.13 | maquis | *** glibc detected *** /home/erins/cs465/diffie-hellman/keyExchange: malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x08aa6b90 *** |
| 16:40.36 | maquis | tensai_: i commented out *all* my frees to see if that was the problem |
| 16:40.41 | maquis | i'm not freeing *anywherE* |
| 16:41.08 | maquis | but i'm not getting to where any of my frees were anyway |
| 16:42.00 | tensai_ | this is just a theory, mind you, but I had a really similar thing happen while writing the FAT lab in 345. random segfaults (or the win32 equivalent) |
| 16:42.13 | maquis | tensai_: ok... what was it? |
| 16:42.32 | tensai_ | turned out that I had an off by one error in an array counter. I was writing past the end of the array to unallocated memory |
| 16:42.38 | maquis | hmmm |
| 16:42.43 | maquis | i'm not getting to any array counters |
| 16:43.10 | tensai_ | for malloc to fail, something must have corrupted its internal structures |
| 16:43.15 | sjansen | maquis: you never use any arrays before the malloc dies? |
| 16:43.23 | maquis | sjansen: nope |
| 16:43.34 | maquis | i'm going to post what i have at pastebin... |
| 16:43.36 | tensai_ | memcpy? |
| 16:43.39 | *** join/#utah etahhhh (n=etah52@c-24-10-167-25.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 16:43.57 | sjansen | the corruption could be occuring very early, then sitting like a ticking land mine waiting to be tickled |
| 16:44.38 | sjansen | maquis: theoretically, the problem could be anywhere in your code |
| 16:45.02 | maquis | http://pastebin.com/386304 |
| 16:45.16 | maquis | i have comments at the points where it has segfaulted/aborted on occasion |
| 16:45.30 | maquis | i can stick the last stack-trace from a sigAbrt that i had while in gdb |
| 16:45.46 | *** join/#utah fungus (n=fungus@2001:470:1f00:645:20a:95ff:fec5:636a) |
| 16:46.28 | sjansen | Isn't C a great language? So much more fun than sissy languages with managed memory and bounds checking. |
| 16:46.36 | maquis | uh... right? |
| 16:47.25 | maquis | sjansen: if this helps: http://pastebin.com/386308 |
| 16:47.28 | maquis | i'm so stumped |
| 16:50.28 | maquis | will be back in a bit... |
| 16:51.47 | elg | who am I then? |
| 16:53.12 | sjansen | elg: you're a figment of my imagination; I invented you because I was lonely |
| 16:53.55 | tensai_ | elg: what's the syntax for naming an interface with iproute2? |
| 16:54.20 | elg | crazy network |
| 16:54.32 | elg | tensai_: |
| 16:54.34 | elg | I don't recall |
| 16:54.39 | elg | i think I blogged it once |
| 16:56.03 | elg | ip link set eth0 name myhappyinterface |
| 16:56.04 | elg | maybe? |
| 16:56.23 | tensai_ | I want to add eth0;6 |
| 16:56.37 | tensai_ | ip addr add dev eth0 ip name eth0:6? |
| 16:57.09 | tensai_ | nope. "name is a garbage" |
| 16:57.58 | tensai_ | label |
| 17:04.25 | *** join/#utah drewbono (n=andrew@c-24-2-95-76.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 17:05.33 | elg | why do you want eth0:x? |
| 17:07.37 | elg | (hint, maybe you don't. the old reaons don't necessarily apply) |
| 17:09.12 | jakea | hans, I didn't check my windows screensaver today, but I'll take you're word for it. 80 days |
| 17:11.03 | elg | do we know exactly which day it plays? |
| 17:21.55 | findlay | sjansen: sing us a song |
| 17:23.33 | sjansen | o/~ I'm a model you know what I mean ~/o |
| 17:23.33 | sjansen | o/~ And I do my little turn on the catwalk ~/o |
| 17:23.33 | sjansen | o/~ Yeah on the catwalk on the catwalk yeah ~/o |
| 17:23.33 | sjansen | o/~ I do my little turn on the catwalk ~/o |
| 17:28.57 | sjansen | o/~ And I'm too sexy for this song ~/o |
| 17:30.31 | findlay | yea |
| 17:30.36 | *** join/#utah hans (i=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net) |
| 17:31.02 | hans | ~lart vontrapp* |
| 17:32.28 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@128.123.215.202) |
| 17:32.42 | *** join/#utah JoshH (n=josh@josh.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 17:34.07 | tensai_ | hans, elg: I want eth0:x because that's how all the other interfaces are done |
| 17:34.43 | elg | but do you have multiple cards, or multiple interfaces for the one card? |
| 17:34.49 | tensai_ | yes and yes |
| 17:35.04 | tensai_ | this address in particular is a secondary address on the first card |
| 17:35.36 | elg | so you have card1 => eth:[01] and card2 => eth:[23]? |
| 17:35.36 | elg | ok and that's my question. why do you need another interface name for just another address? |
| 17:36.16 | tensai_ | because the rest of them have a name and I want to be consistent. I also don't want to break ifupdown |
| 17:36.20 | sjansen | What's that? Some of you want an encore? |
| 17:36.29 | sjansen | o/~ Hey! Hey! Hey, hey, hey! ~/o |
| 17:36.35 | sjansen | o/~ Macho, macho man ~/o |
| 17:36.39 | sjansen | o/~ I've got to be, a macho man ~/o |
| 17:36.44 | sjansen | o/~ Macho, macho man ~/o |
| 17:36.49 | sjansen | o/~ I've got to be a macho! (all right) ~/o |
| 17:37.15 | emcnabb | Jayce^, please kick sjansen! |
| 17:37.20 | tensai_ | mmm, nachos |
| 17:37.26 | emcnabb | he's crap flooding again |
| 17:37.43 | sjansen | emcnabb: you're just jealous because no one ever asks you to sing |
| 17:37.54 | tensai_ | emcnabb: same thing happens during his classes |
| 17:38.33 | elg | ip addr add 172.16.59.17/24 dev eth0 |
| 17:38.33 | elg | iirc |
| 17:38.33 | elg | i did the research on this once. I think I ended up deciding that the Right ThingTM was to abandon my ifconfig-induced fixation on psuedo interfaces |
| 17:39.13 | tensai_ | *I* have, but not everybody else who admins this box has |
| 17:39.15 | goozbach | elg: that's the right thing to do |
| 17:39.41 | goozbach | iproute2 is the future, and the future is now... |
| 17:39.48 | tensai_ | which is why I'm trying to figure out the Right Way to do this with iproute2 |
| 17:40.29 | sjansen | goozbach: Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure I remember the future being yesterday. |
| 17:40.55 | maquis | sorry.. .me back again |
| 17:42.28 | elg | but in the meantime I did manage to do what you're asking, I just don't remember how because I only did it once. |
| 17:42.28 | elg | did you solve your bignum woes, maquis? |
| 17:45.26 | sjansen | And the I was like "whoa!" and she was like "whoa." and I was like "whoa..." |
| 17:45.57 | maquis | elg: no |
| 17:46.09 | maquis | i'm still completely puzzled |
| 17:48.23 | hans | what was the problem? |
| 17:49.19 | maquis | hans: BN_new and malloc, and a whole bunch of other things are seg-faulting |
| 17:49.21 | maquis | and i can't figure out why |
| 17:49.38 | hans | code? |
| 17:49.44 | maquis | sjansen: did you get a chance to look at the pasetebin stuff? |
| 17:49.50 | maquis | hans: let me look back and grab the link |
| 17:49.54 | findlay | maquis: I'm not surprised. Memory management is not for the faint of heart |
| 17:50.05 | sjansen | maquis: no idea why you have the BIGNUM* getBigPrime(); line, but I'd get rid of it |
| 17:50.07 | hans | malloc segfaulting is usually more exciting though |
| 17:50.30 | maquis | http://pastebin.com/386304 |
| 17:50.33 | sjansen | I'm actually surprised the compiler doesn't complain because you didn't define getBigPrime(). |
| 17:51.48 | sjansen | If you're really segfaulting at line 28, I'd concentrate my effort on the docs for DH_generate_parameters() because either you've found an openssl bug, or you're initilizing incorrectly. |
| 17:52.46 | sjansen | BTW, I'm of the school that thinks sizeof(*s) is preferable to to sizeof(BIGNUM) |
| 17:52.58 | hans | wow, we agree |
| 17:53.01 | hans | ;-) |
| 17:53.07 | maquis | sjansen: i copied that initialization for DH_generate_parameters from the code the prof gave us |
| 17:53.10 | sjansen | I'm also of the school that thinks compiling C code with a C++ compiler is a Bad Habit(tm) |
| 17:54.09 | sjansen | Last I heard, there were still actually tiny incompatiblities between C++ and C, although I doubt you're running into them with you're rather simple code. |
| 17:54.21 | maquis | sjansen: gcc isn't a c++ compiler, right? |
| 17:54.28 | maquis | it's primarily c... |
| 17:54.34 | maquis | at least that's my understaqnding |
| 17:55.02 | sjansen | the command gcc gives you a c compiler, the gcc software suite is a collection of compilers |
| 17:55.04 | findlay | gcc is the front name for the Gnu Compiler Collection |
| 17:55.35 | findlay | i guess gcc will do magic to determine which compiler, linker, etc. to invoke |
| 17:55.48 | maquis | ok... this time, it seg-faulted at the BN_rand call |
| 17:55.50 | findlay | or wait, that's not right |
| 17:56.01 | sjansen | C doesn't let you define variables willy-nilly like you are, the have to come at the top of a block before any other code |
| 17:56.10 | maquis | at BN_new inside that, according to the backtrace |
| 17:58.13 | sjansen | Have you tried running this code of machines in the labs? |
| 17:58.21 | maquis | sjansen: no... i can... |
| 17:59.22 | sjansen | If the point of failure keeps changing, that indicates a race condition. There ain't much chance of race conditions with your code, so it'd have to be in OpenSLL or another library. |
| 17:59.52 | hans | whoa, that's a wierd name. digEcor |
| 17:59.57 | maquis | sjansen: i hate to say that it's "not my code", because my guess is that there's a much better chance of it being my code than anything else... |
| 18:00.01 | sjansen | Alternatively, it could indicate dying hardware, but I'd expect you'd have noticed that by now because other programs would also be dying randomly. |
| 18:00.07 | maquis | but i can't figure out what else it could be |
| 18:00.41 | hans | sjansen: actually these days C does let you define vars willie-nily |
| 18:00.41 | sjansen | Like I said, I'd start by looking at how you're initializing openssl. Doesn't matter that you copied it from your professor. |
| 18:00.57 | maquis | sjansen: cool |
| 18:00.58 | hans | and use // comments |
| 18:01.03 | sjansen | No, wait, scratch that. It does matter. You shouldn't copy code without understanding what it is doing. |
| 18:01.22 | maquis | sjansen: i've read the man pages for every BN function i'm using |
| 18:01.30 | hans | never trust professor code. it's worse than what you might find on the web |
| 18:01.31 | maquis | and i looked at it for DB_generate_parameters |
| 18:01.47 | sjansen | often worse than TA code |
| 18:01.48 | maquis | hans: i've had a couple experiences to go with that comment |
| 18:02.03 | hans | maquis: so where's the code? |
| 18:02.14 | findlay | why is my isp not doing any traffic shaping on my budget account? |
| 18:02.25 | maquis | hans: http://pastebin.com/386304 |
| 18:02.29 | sjansen | findlay: laziness |
| 18:02.56 | findlay | I'm not complaining, though, I downloaded over 2 GB of torrents in about 5 hours last night (: |
| 18:03.01 | sjansen | findlay: they're busy sending bills and fighting Windows viruses |
| 18:03.27 | hans | and what is the symptom? segfaults? where? backtrace? |
| 18:04.09 | maquis | hans: see where there are the // segfaults here comments |
| 18:04.33 | maquis | hans: here's a trace of one of the things it's done: |
| 18:04.39 | maquis | http://pastebin.com/386308 |
| 18:04.58 | maquis | that's the one that it is giving on the cs labs... |
| 18:05.03 | Tene | Anyone here attend or associated with Weber State? |
| 18:05.08 | maquis | although it's segfaulting in different places different times that i run it |
| 18:05.16 | hans | mheath is loosely associated with them. ;-) |
| 18:05.21 | findlay | Tene: I've been there once |
| 18:05.26 | hans | at least, he's applied there |
| 18:07.43 | Tene | For the past few nights I've been having dreams about an old friend from high school that went there that I haven't heard from since. |
| 18:10.02 | findlay | did he tell you about a hidden treasure? |
| 18:11.20 | Tene | Nope. |
| 18:11.29 | Tene | she, by the way |
| 18:13.18 | hans | yeah findlay, he doesn't dream about his guy friends |
| 18:19.41 | findlay | the masonic treasure is buried under the Manti temple, along with the sword of Laban |
| 18:19.48 | sjansen | maquis: man bn |
| 18:19.54 | *** join/#utah bzob_l (n=bzob_l@nat.myfamilyinc.com) |
| 18:20.37 | findlay | maybe maquis' computer is politically correct and the command is 'woman bn' |
| 18:21.32 | sjansen | maquis: the fault is entirely yours, I just made a minor change and ran the code sucessfully |
| 18:23.51 | *** join/#utah phinux (n=phinux@strychnine.cs.byu.edu) |
| 18:27.36 | maquis | gah |
| 18:27.47 | maquis | sjansen: was it changing malloc to BN_new? |
| 18:27.52 | sjansen | yup |
| 18:27.56 | maquis | the ta pointed that out to me |
| 18:28.08 | maquis | gah |
| 18:28.24 | sjansen | that's what you get for not reading the funky manual |
| 18:28.26 | maquis | i've been trying to find that since last night |
| 18:28.32 | findlay | whoah |
| 18:28.47 | maquis | sjansen: i did... i even knew about bn_new... i just forgot to change that malloc, and ten i forgot about it entirely |
| 18:30.54 | hans | maquis: what are you doing about this: The PRNG must be seeded prior to calling BN_rand() or BN_rand_range(). |
| 18:31.27 | findlay | ~wake me |
| 18:31.29 | ibot | findlay: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 18:33.14 | *** join/#utah macnewbold (n=mac@69.2.248.251) |
| 18:33.18 | maquis | hans: ?? i don't see anything about that in the man page.. |
| 18:33.18 | maquis | .. |
| 18:33.42 | hans | I see it, in man BN_rand |
| 18:33.43 | macnewbold | anyone in here going to the UVLUG meeting tomorrow, where jsmith is presenting about Asterisk? |
| 18:34.29 | findlay | macnewbold: I am, I am!! |
| 18:34.53 | macnewbold | I'm planning on going too, |
| 18:35.02 | macnewbold | but I'm from SLC, and don't know my way around UVSC |
| 18:35.08 | findlay | aha |
| 18:35.11 | findlay | (: |
| 18:35.14 | macnewbold | so I'm hoping someone can tell me an easy way to find the right room :) |
| 18:35.27 | macnewbold | findlay: turn your frown upside down |
| 18:35.54 | findlay | CS building is furthest northeast |
| 18:35.54 | macnewbold | are you a lefty or something? |
| 18:35.59 | findlay | maybe |
| 18:36.05 | macnewbold | northeast... okay, I can figure that out |
| 18:36.10 | macnewbold | what room is it? 204? |
| 18:36.12 | findlay | campus is pretty small |
| 18:36.23 | hans | the trick is finding parking |
| 18:36.30 | findlay | yeah, that's on ground floor of engineering building |
| 18:36.36 | macnewbold | free on Sat. right? |
| 18:36.44 | findlay | I'm pretty sure most lots are free on saturday |
| 18:37.52 | findlay | actually, I know the lot just west of the CS building is |
| 18:38.14 | macnewbold | okay, that should work |
| 18:38.20 | findlay | lot 'K' |
| 18:41.29 | maquis | hans: oh... it's all the way down at the bottom... |
| 18:41.37 | maquis | what's a prng? |
| 18:41.46 | hans | i notice you're not checking your return codes either |
| 18:41.53 | hans | psuedo-random number generator |
| 18:42.03 | hans | probably tells you how in bn(3) |
| 18:44.35 | sjansen | ~prng |
| 18:44.36 | ibot | methinks prng is a Pseudo-Random Number Generator |
| 18:44.39 | maquis | hans: i don't see anything in man bn, but man rand talks about srand... i'm thinking that might work? |
| 18:45.50 | *** join/#utah harleypi1 (n=Clint@65.73.113.162) |
| 18:46.19 | maquis | mmk... |
| 18:46.35 | goozbach | http://www.gshotts.com/HUMOR/Sportsmanship.htm |
| 18:47.17 | maquis | smmk |
| 18:47.25 | maquis | so, i'm getting a random number for s |
| 18:47.31 | maquis | and a random prime for p |
| 18:47.42 | maquis | and g^s%p is always 1 |
| 18:47.45 | maquis | yay! |
| 18:48.32 | sjansen | *cough* srand is part of stdlib, not openssl *cough* |
| 18:48.55 | *** part/#utah macnewbold (n=mac@69.2.248.251) |
| 18:49.32 | *** join/#utah Newsome (n=sorenson@216-190-206-130.customer.csolutions.net) |
| 18:49.33 | maquis | sjansen: so, you're saying srand isn't gong to do what i want |
| 18:49.46 | sjansen | nope, it's not |
| 18:50.17 | sjansen | srand is going to seed the prng used by rand, you want to see the random number generator used by BN_rand |
| 18:51.04 | sjansen | and if the data really matters, you want crptographically strong data to seed it |
| 18:51.17 | maquis | sjansen: i can't figure out how... i've looked in man bn and man BN_rand, but i'm not seeing the seededrr anywhere |
| 18:51.27 | maquis | maybe i'm just stupid here... but i'm missing it someplace |
| 18:51.59 | sjansen | have you checked the see alsos? |
| 18:52.38 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.59 | sjansen | you've read all five of them? |
| 18:53.03 | maquis | no |
| 18:53.09 | maquis | i just started looking at RAND_add |
| 18:53.29 | maquis | i hadn't looked closer at those because they don't look like what i'm looking for from the name of the function |
| 18:53.31 | sjansen | ~bonk maquis |
| 18:53.34 | ibot | ACTION bonks maquis over the head |
| 18:53.36 | hans | it is feasible that bn uses srand |
| 18:53.52 | maquis | hans: it made sense to me |
| 18:54.12 | sjansen | hans: unlikely, srand is generally statistically but not cryptographically random |
| 18:54.15 | hans | most likely the wording is severe. more likely your code won't be random if you don't do it, but it will work |
| 18:54.45 | hans | as in, unless the TA is checking for it forget it. unless you're into getting things right |
| 18:55.18 | *** join/#utah jakea (n=jakea@byu290350wks.byu.edu) |
| 18:55.45 | sjansen | hans: failing to use cryptographically secure data (or bending over backwards to do a good job of seeding srand) can result in the code not working correctly |
| 18:56.10 | sjansen | I ran into that problem in 312 or whatever that theory heavy class was. |
| 18:57.20 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.24 | maquis | ok.. |
| 18:58.13 | sjansen | I also personally think that assuming srand() will work is bit of a stretch, but I do admit I base that on a bit of intuition combined with the knowledge that rand() is crypographically weak |
| 18:59.42 | maquis | thanks to all for the help |
| 18:59.47 | maquis | have to disappear for a bit again |
| 19:01.33 | hans | i didn't assume it would work, but I did say it was within (barely) the realm of possibility |
| 19:05.34 | sjansen | ~slug hans |
| 19:05.43 | sjansen | ~punch hans |
| 19:05.44 | ibot | ACTION hits hans like the hot kiss and the end of a wet fist |
| 19:06.18 | sjansen | ~paint Jayce^ |
| 19:06.20 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on Jayce^ |
| 19:08.05 | levi | Poor sjansen. |
| 19:11.01 | sjansen | ~brain levi |
| 19:11.04 | ibot | ACTION turns levi into a mouse with an over-sized head |
| 19:11.12 | sjansen | ~pinky emcnabb |
| 19:11.14 | ibot | ACTION makes emcnabb wear rubber pants and a cheese shirt |
| 19:11.52 | emcnabb | sjansen, get back to work |
| 19:12.42 | *** join/#utah findlay (n=justin@63.98.126.43) |
| 19:13.03 | findlay | why must window manager windows be rectangular??? |
| 20:46.19 | *** join/#utah ibot (i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt) |
| 20:46.19 | *** topic/#utah is The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds |
| 20:46.19 | *** mode/#utah [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 20:49.31 | vontrapp | ~wb |
| 20:49.33 | ibot | It's great to be back! |
| 20:54.57 | *** part/#utah harleypi1 (n=Clint@65.73.113.162) |
| 20:59.29 | levi | maquis: Still having homework trouble? |
| 21:01.03 | jnbek | hello, y'all |
| 21:01.16 | levi | Hello, jnbek. |
| 21:01.22 | jnbek | how are you? |
| 21:02.56 | jnbek | what kind of things do y'all chat about in this room ?? general whatever, geek stuff, all of the above, or..? |
| 21:04.02 | jnbek | <<--- a hopeless geek in Orem :P |
| 21:04.16 | dataw0lf | /topic |
| 21:04.48 | Tene | lotsa stuff |
| 21:05.04 | jnbek | so this is a general whatever kind of room, cool |
| 21:07.20 | jnbek | hope y'all don't mind me just sitting here, i'm kind of new to the area still, and with work and school, i tend to be pretty busy, i do enjoy good chat |
| 21:08.23 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 21:08.38 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net) |
| 21:08.52 | jnbek | i recognize some nicks from the user groups i subscribe to :D |
| 21:11.03 | levi | We're mostly all pretty busy with work and/or school. :) |
| 21:11.43 | jnbek | cool, i don't feel like such an outsider any more :D |
| 21:13.36 | levi | And we talk about all sorts of different things. |
| 21:14.03 | levi | I like to talk about programming languages and other CS theory topics. |
| 21:17.23 | elg | (keyword: lisp) |
| 21:17.28 | levi | I work at Linux Networx doing embedded Linux programming. |
| 21:17.34 | levi | elg: I talk about other languages, too! |
| 21:17.42 | elg | :-) |
| 21:19.02 | levi | Like, how much I dislike C and perl, my experiences with D, and occasionally some Smalltalk. |
| 21:19.33 | elg | don't forget reluctantly defending C++ from sjansen |
| 21:19.35 | levi | I also go to school in the evenings at UVSC, in the hope that someday I'll actually have a degree. |
| 21:19.42 | levi | elg: Oh yeah, that too. |
| 21:20.19 | levi | I have a bit of grudging admiration for what C++ has become, even though I still find it rather distasteful. |
| 21:21.21 | jnbek | hehe |
| 21:21.36 | jnbek | well i haven't gotten into c/c++ much |
| 21:21.50 | jnbek | i'm still undecided on perl or php |
| 21:21.52 | vontrapp | jnbek: where do you go to school? |
| 21:22.17 | jnbek | though i'm leaning towards perl, i goto school at stevens henager in orem |
| 21:22.43 | jnbek | hehe |
| 21:22.47 | levi | php is evil. |
| 21:23.52 | levi | perl is evil, too, but in a different way entirely. It's an evil that some sane, intelligent people could appreciate. ;) |
| 21:23.58 | jnbek | php does seem to have that 'dark side of the force' feel :P i like perl's docs, don't have to ask many questions in these rooms about perl, it's already in the docs, just gotta have the patience to surf them |
| 21:24.26 | jnbek | the php docs leave more questions then they answer |
| 21:24.33 | dataw0lf | Huh? if there's one thing that can be said about PHP it's that php.net is pretty jawesome on the documentation. |
| 21:24.37 | Jayce^ | perldoc.com or docs.perl.org |
| 21:24.40 | levi | I would say that perl is the dark side of the force, and php is just the merchant guild or something. |
| 21:24.57 | Tene | [[[ |
| 21:25.01 | Tene | Given: |
| 21:25.01 | Tene | char *strstr(const char *haystack, const char *needle); |
| 21:25.01 | Tene | Which returns a pointer to the place in haystack that the string pointed to by needle is found, |
| 21:25.05 | Tene | how to I find out the character number in haystack of the start of the match? |
| 21:25.07 | Tene | ]]] |
| 21:25.49 | jnbek | see i'm 95% self taught, so excuse my ignorance |
| 21:26.01 | levi | Tene: Subtraction? |
| 21:26.09 | jnbek | SH schools is all MSCE based |
| 21:26.28 | jnbek | and i'm a BSD freak |
| 21:26.42 | jnbek | so google and cpan have become my best friends |
| 21:27.03 | levi | jnbek: Oh, we have to deal with aggressive ignorance all the time. Humble ignorance is no problem at all! ;) |
| 21:27.42 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.53 | levi | Tene: By 'character number' I assume you mean the index of the first character of the string matching 'needle' in 'haystack' |
| 21:28.11 | Tene | Apparently. |
| 21:28.34 | jnbek | heh, well y'all seem pretty cool here :) |
| 21:28.37 | levi | Tene: Are you asking this question, or are you just displaying it for some other purpose? |
| 21:29.01 | levi | jnbek: Thank goodness you showed up when the cool crowd was around! ;) |
| 21:29.12 | Tene | I'm asking on behalf of someone else. |
| 21:29.31 | jnbek | a small history of me, i started my geekdom in New MExico, i moved here to utah last year, and am still trying to acclaimate myself to the culture here |
| 21:29.47 | vontrapp | HEY! a kindred New Mexican!! |
| 21:30.14 | jnbek | i'm happy to be somewhere where people have heard of BSD and know OSS owns :D |
| 21:30.30 | vontrapp | jnbek: where at in NM? |
| 21:30.31 | jnbek | where in NM ? |
| 21:30.35 | vontrapp | Santa Fe |
| 21:30.42 | jnbek | <<-- Deming |
| 21:30.58 | vontrapp | heh, i know like three people from deming |
| 21:31.03 | jnbek | really ?!? |
| 21:31.04 | jnbek | lol |
| 21:31.08 | vontrapp | Buffy |
| 21:31.10 | dataw0lf | Tene: Unless I misunderstand you, just access the returned pointer of strstr() |
| 21:31.14 | vontrapp | Amanda Quintana |
| 21:31.17 | vontrapp | and Rachel Blueth |
| 21:32.04 | jnbek | hmmm, doesn't ring a bell with me or the wife |
| 21:32.28 | vontrapp | they're all my age, early 19-early 20's |
| 21:32.30 | levi | Tene: The answer lies in pointer arithmetic. |
| 21:32.56 | jnbek | i never got out much there, once i bought a PC, i was chatting on the DjNap network on Opennap and Necessary Evil |
| 21:33.14 | jnbek | we got DSL in 2003 !!! |
| 21:33.17 | vontrapp | how old are you? |
| 21:33.22 | jnbek | 33 |
| 21:33.36 | levi | Tene: If you have the address of the beginning of haystack and the address of the beginning of the characters matching needle within it, the difference between the two will be the offset (array index) needed to reach the string matching needle. |
| 21:33.54 | jnbek | well nice to meet you :)) |
| 21:34.25 | vontrapp | my brother hans/elg just moved out to Las Cruces for grad school |
| 21:34.40 | levi | jnbek: Cool, you're even older than me. We can complain about the teenagers together. ;) |
| 21:34.48 | jnbek | lol |
| 21:34.58 | jnbek | i did time in Las Cruces |
| 21:35.05 | JoshH | elg is hans? |
| 21:35.06 | jnbek | (not literally) |
| 21:35.07 | Jayce^ | anyone else hitting the DM concert? |
| 21:35.13 | levi | JoshH: elg is hans, yes. |
| 21:35.21 | JoshH | ah |
| 21:35.29 | vontrapp | shoot, i gave away his secret alter-ego |
| 21:35.34 | levi | Jayce^: I'm hitting the Dvorak concert. Findlay would be proud of me. |
| 21:35.40 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 21:36.59 | Jayce^ | both erasure and DM in the same year... banner year.... |
| 21:37.01 | jnbek | last concert i was at was the nuge and the scorps in Las Cruces in 2000 |
| 21:37.26 | levi | Thankfully, I actually enjoy the new DM song that gets radio play. The newish Erasure one annoys me. |
| 21:37.49 | vontrapp | actually, i was talking about classical concerts, i've recently been to lifehouse and collective soul, those were good |
| 21:37.50 | levi | I think my last concert was Radiohead. |
| 21:37.58 | Jayce^ | levi, the new album seems exiter-ish... two good tracks, the rest not quite as good |
| 21:38.07 | levi | Jayce^: Aww, that's too bad. |
| 21:38.50 | Jayce^ | of course, the copy I have currently is transcoded from 128, so that might hamper my current opinion |
| 21:41.57 | jnbek | so dare i ask, is anyone here in Orem ? |
| 21:42.23 | Jayce^ | I work in orem |
| 21:42.44 | levi | I go to school in Orem. |
| 21:43.22 | jnbek | wow, Jayce^ where? and levi where ? |
| 21:43.40 | Jayce^ | Canyon park (old WP campus) |
| 21:44.48 | levi | jnbek: UVSC |
| 21:50.32 | jnbek | wow |
| 21:50.42 | jnbek | you all are a street away from me |
| 21:50.52 | jnbek | i'm right off the mall |
| 21:50.58 | jnbek | 8th east |
| 21:51.04 | levi | I'm not there now... I only go to school on monday and wednesday nights. |
| 21:51.30 | Jayce^ | I'm just off the north end of 8th |
| 21:51.31 | jnbek | you live in the valley ? or up past PofM ? |
| 21:51.51 | jnbek | i know Jayce^ i used to work at Convergys for AMEX |
| 21:52.26 | jnbek | killer complex WP had |
| 21:57.54 | *** join/#utah SpecialZ (n=Sco--@128.187.247.79) |
| 22:02.20 | Jayce^ | so goozbach, tomorrow? |
| 22:05.35 | goozbach | I guess |
| 22:05.42 | goozbach | buy some extra paint for me |
| 22:05.57 | goozbach | aparently I can't buy any myself |
| 22:08.51 | vontrapp | oh heck yes! willy wonka is in the dollar theaters tonight! |
| 22:09.26 | goozbach | hmm. |
| 22:12.22 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
| 22:16.21 | Jayce^ | goozbach, why not? |
| 22:16.27 | Jayce^ | do you really need me to? |
| 22:21.55 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net) |
| 22:22.36 | mheath | When I get back, I'm finishing up my server :) |
| 22:24.41 | levi | What server? |
| 22:26.55 | bonez39 | how do I check to see which mailer my system is using? I don't think it's either sendmail or postfix.... |
| 22:27.56 | elg | then it's probably exim |
| 22:28.16 | *** join/#utah linuxalien (n=zaphod@c-24-2-80-89.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:28.36 | *** part/#utah linuxalien (n=zaphod@c-24-2-80-89.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:31.33 | bonez39 | isn't procmail an MTA too ? |
| 22:31.40 | *** join/#utah Bradipo (i=bradipo@xmission.xmission.com) |
| 22:31.44 | bonez39 | I know my system uses procmail |
| 22:31.48 | bonez39 | or believe it does.... |
| 22:31.49 | elg | nope |
| 22:31.54 | elg | procmail is separate |
| 22:32.07 | bonez39 | ok.....exim is my mta then...er..exim4 |
| 22:43.26 | jnbek | qmail, use qmail, once you set it up, you'll never goanywhere else |
| 22:46.41 | Bradipo | jnbek: Don't be spewing that drivel here. This channel is loaded with qmail haters. |
| 22:47.30 | jnbek | sorry |
| 22:47.36 | jnbek | if it helps any... |
| 22:47.41 | jnbek | i hate qmail too |
| 22:48.03 | jnbek | i only use it cuz it wassuch a pain in the ass to set up...... i don't wanna touch it |
| 22:48.09 | jnbek | it works, so i use it |
| 22:48.20 | jnbek | took me 17 hours to get it working right |
| 22:48.30 | jnbek | so i chose to leave it that way, lol |
| 22:49.50 | Bradipo | lol |
| 22:50.14 | Bradipo | What happens if it ever breaks? |
| 22:51.10 | goozbach | postfix is better |
| 22:51.39 | bonez39 | well, most of my email works..so I'll leave exim4 in place on my ssytem...guess I just need to figure out how it's working or not.. |
| 23:07.48 | *** join/#utah WoodsDog (n=woodsdog@pip.drs1.omniture.com) |
| 23:34.32 | *** part/#utah fungus (n=fungus@2001:470:1f00:645:20a:95ff:fec5:636a) |
| 23:47.29 | *** join/#utah spr (n=spr@c-24-10-236-93.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
