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| 00:27.43 | goozbach | all in all not a BAD flight |
| 00:29.13 | goozbach | still pissed about not getting miles or first class |
| 00:31.46 | goozbach | but still moooooo! |
| 00:45.39 | maquis | goozbach: where are you? |
| 00:48.00 | goozbach | at the Oakland BART station |
| 00:48.12 | maquis | BART? |
| 00:48.22 | goozbach | way too much gente |
| 00:48.29 | goozbach | ~dict bart |
| 00:48.55 | goozbach | bay area rapid transit |
| 00:49.05 | maquis | ah |
| 00:49.49 | goozbach | a raiders game just ended as well |
| 00:51.33 | maquis | ick |
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| 01:51.22 | sjansen | ~lart procmail's syntax |
| 01:52.20 | sjansen | goozbach: why didn't you get miles? wrong airline? |
| 01:52.52 | goozbach | yup |
| 01:52.54 | maquis | sjansen: he was on southworst |
| 01:53.40 | goozbach | Southwest Airlines(tm) we make you feel like cattle. |
| 01:54.01 | sjansen | bummer |
| 01:54.16 | sjansen | Continental actually gave me a sandwich and carrots today! |
| 01:54.29 | maquis | wow... |
| 01:55.22 | sjansen | On the one hand, it was a happy surprise. On the other hand, it wsa shocking to realize just how bad airline food has gotten. |
| 01:55.41 | maquis | sjansen: you have to ride british airways sometime |
| 01:55.50 | maquis | that's *GOOD* airline food |
| 01:55.58 | sjansen | I mean, seriously. I was impressed by sandwich smaller than my fist and a couple of baby carrots. |
| 02:09.52 | maquis | :) |
| 02:13.30 | tensai | maquis: I hope you didn't notice a slight network outage earlier. the switch got unplugged. |
| 02:14.36 | maquis | tensai: i saw the lag go up, and then drop... :) |
| 02:14.43 | maquis | but i wasn't actually doing anything on it :) |
| 02:16.16 | luminerd | Do two graphics cards have to be the same brand (eg, PNY, BFG, etc) in order to SLI together? Or can I have one PNY and one BFG and SLI them? Thanks |
| 02:17.48 | goozbach | luminerd: from what I know abt SLI they have to be identical |
| 02:20.13 | luminerd | ok thanks |
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| 02:26.19 | luminerd | goozbach, do you know how I would verify that? |
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| 02:34.16 | goozbach | no clue, google maybe? |
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| 03:40.19 | tensai | if you were a firewall and wanted to hide, where would you put yourself? |
| 03:40.54 | jsmith | Behind another firewall |
| 03:41.22 | tensai | this box's firewall loads on boot but I can't find the script that does it |
| 03:41.29 | tensai | it's got to be *somewher*, right? |
| 03:41.32 | jsmith | rc.local? |
| 03:41.51 | jsmith | other initscript in rc.d? |
| 03:42.03 | jsmith | cron? |
| 03:42.20 | tensai | I grepped for RELATED,ESTABLISHED (one of the rules) and found nothing |
| 03:42.34 | tensai | I can't see myself having installed it via cron |
| 03:42.43 | jsmith | Oh, you installed it? |
| 03:43.12 | tensai | yeah. this is my asterisk box at home. |
| 03:43.13 | jsmith | Why not grep for ipchains/iptables? |
| 03:43.33 | tensai | I thought I tried that too |
| 03:43.45 | tensai | there it is! |
| 03:43.58 | tensai | /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables |
| 03:44.10 | tensai | now I sort of remember doing that |
| 03:45.01 | tensai | ~jsmith++ |
| 03:46.07 | luminerd | Anyone know where I would look for wholesale/bulk discounted pc mod supplies (ie, cases, cathodes, lighting, fans, etc)? It's not for personal, but for buying in mass amounts for a local store. |
| 03:46.27 | jsmith | Best guess -- pcmods.com? |
| 03:47.15 | jsmith | Or sign up with a wholesale account from pcclub.com? |
| 03:47.19 | luminerd | jsmith, isn't that just for the consumer? |
| 03:49.44 | jsmith | No, I think they have a wholesale department as well. |
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| 03:50.48 | jsmith | luminerd: You could always try a distributor such as malabs.com, etc. |
| 03:51.17 | luminerd | thanks |
| 03:51.18 | luminerd | :D |
| 03:58.15 | luminerd | jsmith, you are a distributor? |
| 04:01.30 | jsmith | Nope. |
| 04:01.43 | jsmith | But for the right amount of money, I could be. |
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| 04:03.09 | luminerd | jsmith, lol |
| 04:03.48 | luminerd | jsmith, you into wire management or just non-clear cases? |
| 04:03.55 | tensai | jsmith: first 2 nufone calls failed because of faulty configs, but the 3rd one worked perfectly |
| 04:04.00 | luminerd | opaque, that is |
| 04:06.10 | jsmith | luminerd: I'm not sure where you're going with that question... |
| 04:06.13 | jsmith | tensai: Woo hoo! |
| 04:07.38 | luminerd | jsmith, I'm just wondering if you have tips, I really have no idea where to hide these wires but I've seen cases where you can't even see the wires |
| 04:08.09 | mheath | Mmm, chocolate moouse.. |
| 04:08.20 | mheath | luminerd: thats usually because the case and cabling are designed for that |
| 04:08.22 | mheath | Start with the obvious |
| 04:08.44 | mheath | Get round IDE cables (if you have IDE in your box) |
| 04:09.20 | mheath | Buy tubing for your PSU wires. Its almost impossible to make these wires invisible, but this will make it look a lot better |
| 04:09.40 | mheath | And get cabling thats long enough that you can snake it down the side of the case, in a corner, etc. |
| 04:10.24 | mheath | Group cables together, and tape them into the corner, edge, etc of the case |
| 04:11.09 | luminerd | I'm gonna need a new psu lol |
| 04:11.25 | levi | Or, use a nice, cheap opaque case. The programs won't mind, really. |
| 04:11.49 | mheath | luminerd: indeed. |
| 04:11.55 | mheath | er |
| 04:11.57 | mheath | levi: indeed |
| 04:12.07 | mheath | luminerd: don't waste money on your case |
| 04:12.21 | mheath | Because, the thing is, after you've put money into buying new cables, and ties, and tubing...... |
| 04:12.32 | mheath | You'll discover something that you would much rather have spent that money on. |
| 04:12.37 | mheath | It's a waste of money. |
| 04:12.45 | luminerd | mheath, no, the case is really important to me. |
| 04:12.51 | luminerd | I already have that stuff bought anyway |
| 04:13.02 | luminerd | well, I need to buy some tubing |
| 04:13.04 | luminerd | they are cheap man |
| 04:13.10 | xbmodder | hey |
| 04:13.15 | luminerd | I think the looks of this PC are the most important to me |
| 04:13.40 | mheath | mmm, coffee cake > * :) |
| 04:14.03 | levi | I just made some pastry cream and ate it with blackberries. |
| 04:14.17 | levi | It was super-rich. |
| 04:14.25 | mheath | levi: I just premixed the ingredients for coffee cake that I'm going to have with breakfast tomorrow |
| 04:14.41 | mheath | And made chocolate moouse (I have no idea how to spell that) |
| 04:14.48 | tensai | levi: made another batch of risotto tonight. mushroom, onion and celery. |
| 04:14.49 | levi | mousse |
| 04:14.54 | mheath | moouse was a compromise. My only real guesses were animals. |
| 04:15.03 | mheath | levi: ah. Thanks :) |
| 04:15.07 | tensai | not as decadent as mousse, but yummy |
| 04:15.23 | levi | tensai: Did you use arborio rice? |
| 04:15.25 | mheath | This is cheapo mousse |
| 04:15.50 | mheath | (Instant chocolate jello and mixed up powered whipped topping mix) |
| 04:16.01 | mheath | Not as good as the real thing, but good and very quick/easy. |
| 04:16.05 | tensai | levi: nope, still haven't gone looking for it. is that something they carry at a mega-mart? |
| 04:16.07 | levi | My pastry cream was not cheapo. It took heavy cream, milk, 5 egg yolks... |
| 04:16.25 | levi | tensai: Sometimes. |
| 04:16.33 | levi | tensai: If it's a good one. |
| 04:16.48 | mheath | I love our recipe for coffee cake...I can't get enough of this stuff.. |
| 04:17.23 | levi | I was tempted to make cookies today, but I resisted. |
| 04:17.41 | tensai | jsmith: "Rejected connect attempt from 198.22.67.70" |
| 04:17.51 | tensai | jsmith: it registered just fine though |
| 04:18.02 | mheath | Coffee cake is yummy but healthy enough and breakfasty-enough for you to eat it at breakfast without feeling guilty :P |
| 04:19.01 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 04:19.03 | jsmith | tensai: I'd have to take a closer look to see what's going on, and I can't right now --- gotta get a few minutes of sleep before the pager goes off again. |
| 04:19.22 | mheath | What kind of connectivity speeds can I expect from USU's ethernet network? |
| 04:19.23 | tensai | jsmith: heh. mine just went off. ;) |
| 04:19.25 | mheath | (To the internet) |
| 04:22.57 | jsmith | mheath: Fast :-) |
| 04:23.06 | jsmith | tensai: I'm sorry to hear that :-) |
| 04:23.24 | mheath | jsmith-asleep: well, give me an idea/estiment |
| 04:33.05 | mheath | Anyone know what a Compac Alpha Server ES40 is? |
| 04:33.35 | mheath | Is it some large supercomputer, or would a site that says a particular system has 5,000MB of memory be a misprint? |
| 04:34.44 | levi | 5Gb isn't unreasonable. |
| 04:34.53 | mheath | ah, nevermind. "Up to 32 GB of ECC memory" |
| 04:35.56 | mheath | Neat. USU's got a cluster of lots of them....And, as far as I can tell, privelleged students can use it :) |
| 04:38.01 | mheath | levi: I know its not unreasonable |
| 04:38.18 | mheath | but usually 3 or 4 GB is the cutoff for desktops and even high end "normal" servers |
| 04:38.30 | mheath | anything higher than that and you're usually getting into something pretty powerful |
| 05:04.56 | levi | I dunno, I think there are high-end dual-proc Opteron boards with 4 slots per CPU. |
| 05:05.11 | levi | 5gb is a pretty odd number, though. |
| 05:09.13 | levi | Sounds like a nice machine. |
| 05:12.57 | levi | Hah, this concept car is awsesome: http://www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000327061418/ |
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| 05:55.28 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 05:56.25 | levi | Hhhhi. |
| 05:56.56 | bonez39 | Hhhhh, levi do either of you work much with apache2? |
| 05:57.06 | levi | Not at all. |
| 05:57.22 | bonez39 | I can't get Mailman, my maillist to work..I am running apache2......which is controlled by /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 05:58.56 | Hhhhh | I don't use Apache |
| 05:59.07 | Hhhhh | sorry, IIS here for work |
| 05:59.24 | Hhhhh | and I don't do web stuff for fun anymore (I'm sick of webdev) |
| 05:59.40 | Hhhhh | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/carrerajames/1337-Cereal.jpg <= |
| 05:59.43 | Hhhhh | LOL |
| 05:59.44 | levi | I do web stuff in Lisp for fun. :) |
| 06:00.05 | Hhhhh | 1337 C3r34l |
| 06:00.24 | Hhhhh | 0v3rcl0ck j00r br34kf45t!!!11!!One |
| 06:41.21 | Supaplex | nice |
| 09:52.22 | luminerd | Can someone/some people test my site for me please? www.thefuriouspc.com - Freshly uploaded |
| 09:52.25 | luminerd | No flash-haters lol |
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| 12:15.55 | mheath | Wow |
| 12:16.34 | mheath | Our new supreme court nominee? Someone who's never been a judge, and who's political experiences include 'working in the whitehouse' and 'Dallas, Texas city counsel' |
| 12:20.11 | mheath | *council |
| 12:22.57 | maquis | morning |
| 12:23.37 | mheath | maquis: good morning :) |
| 12:24.04 | maquis | mheath: i think that's going a bit far... |
| 12:24.58 | jsmith | Any of y'all coming to the UVLUG meeting on Saturday? |
| 12:25.04 | mheath | maquis: what is? |
| 12:25.24 | mheath | It being a 'good morning'? Or Bush's nomination? Or my description of Bush's nomination? |
| 12:25.42 | mheath | jsmith: I work, have classwork to do, and have no gas |
| 12:25.46 | mheath | Or else I would :P |
| 12:26.47 | jsmith | I was just wondering if there's anything particular people want me to cover about Asterisk. |
| 12:27.17 | mheath | oh, a presentation on asterisk?! |
| 12:27.22 | jsmith | Yup. |
| 12:27.25 | mheath | Now I really wish I was there |
| 12:27.40 | mheath | er, could be there |
| 12:27.42 | jsmith | I'm sure we can find someone to give you a ride |
| 12:28.18 | mheath | jsmith: again, I think I work, and I really don't have the time |
| 12:28.41 | mheath | I'm frantically trying to get several online classes done so I'll be qualified to go to USU in January |
| 12:28.55 | mheath | Spending almost all my free time working on homeowork these days |
| 12:30.29 | mheath | jsmith: hey, USU would be OK with be running a small Web+E-mail+CVS server off my ethernet line, right? |
| 12:30.41 | mheath | They don't have some stupid policy against that like my current ISP (Comcast) does, do they? |
| 12:31.30 | maquis | mheath: it's probably a "as long as they don't notice" type of situation... |
| 12:33.17 | jsmith | mheath: I ran one while I was there, but that was so long ago that I was one of the only people in the dorms that had connected. |
| 12:33.34 | jsmith | mheath: But, I think you'd be completely safe in running one. |
| 12:34.13 | mheath | I'm excited about their VMS thing |
| 12:34.13 | jsmith | mheath: To answer your earlier questions about the Alphas -- yes, you'll be able to get an account on them. They're running VMS. |
| 12:34.36 | jsmith | mheath: It's not that great :-) When I was there, the *only* way to get your email was to log into the Alphas. |
| 12:34.55 | mheath | jsmith: its a supercomputer :P |
| 12:35.12 | mheath | jsmith: right now, I run off a 450 mhz PIII |
| 12:35.13 | maquis | it doesn't reply to pings, or anything... |
| 12:35.43 | mheath | Access to a supercomputing cluster with lots of alpha procs and gigs of ram... |
| 12:35.44 | mheath | thats heaven :) |
| 12:35.47 | jsmith | mheath: And, unless they've renamed them, they're named Sleepy, Barney, Dopey... |
| 12:36.01 | jsmith | maquis: That's scary. |
| 12:36.05 | mheath | jsmith: collectively cc.usu.edu |
| 12:36.15 | jsmith | Yup. |
| 12:36.32 | jsmith | Let's just say I've got the IP address memorized, still to this day :-) |
| 12:36.33 | maquis | jsmith: it's a pI or pII, and it's got a lot of issues |
| 12:36.49 | jsmith | maquis: I've got lots of spare parts :-) |
| 12:37.06 | mheath | jsmith: and I was reading the Computer Services page.... |
| 12:37.10 | mheath | jsmith: I think they DID change the names |
| 12:37.20 | maquis | and the stuff i'm inserting into the db is only text... (less than 50 words).. |
| 12:37.23 | mheath | Because I think Barney is now some PII providing something else |
| 12:37.42 | jsmith | [jsmith@silver tmp]$ host cc.usu.edu |
| 12:37.42 | jsmith | cc.usu.edu has address 129.123.1.117 |
| 12:37.42 | jsmith | cc.usu.edu has address 129.123.1.118 |
| 12:37.42 | jsmith | cc.usu.edu has address 129.123.1.86 |
| 12:37.42 | jsmith | cc.usu.edu has address 129.123.1.87 |
| 12:37.43 | jsmith | cc.usu.edu has address 129.123.1.89 |
| 12:37.45 | jsmith | cc.usu.edu mail is handled by 10 mailscan.usu.edu. |
| 12:37.47 | jsmith | [jsmith@silver tmp]$ host 129.123.1.89 |
| 12:37.49 | jsmith | 89.1.123.129.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer barney.usu.edu. |
| 12:37.53 | jsmith | [jsmith@silver tmp]$ host 129.123.1.87 |
| 12:37.55 | jsmith | 87.1.123.129.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer sneezy.usu.edu. |
| 12:37.57 | jsmith | [jsmith@silver tmp]$ host 129.123.1.86 |
| 12:37.59 | jsmith | 86.1.123.129.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer grumpy.usu.edu. |
| 12:38.03 | jsmith | [jsmith@silver tmp]$ host 129.123.1.118 |
| 12:38.05 | jsmith | 118.1.123.129.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer dopey.usu.edu. |
| 12:38.07 | jsmith | [jsmith@silver tmp]$ host 129.123.1.117 |
| 12:38.09 | jsmith | 117.1.123.129.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer gumby.usu.edu. |
| 12:38.10 | maquis | wow... it finished |
| 12:38.11 | jsmith | Barney, sneezy, grumpy, dopey, and gumby (gumby is new to me!) |
| 12:38.57 | jsmith | Yikes -- you actually lost connectivity to it while it processes? |
| 12:39.05 | maquis | jsmith: yup |
| 12:39.16 | mheath | jsmith: thats odd. Gumby is older hardware than most of the other stuff |
| 12:39.28 | maquis | while it's processing, it's too busy to reply to pings |
| 12:39.39 | mheath | Its an HP/Compaq/DEC AlphaServer DS20 |
| 12:39.43 | jsmith | mheath: They probably were using it for something else, and then made it part of the cluster. |
| 12:39.46 | mheath | With 3200MB of RAM |
| 12:39.56 | maquis | we're in the process of replacing the machine... should be rolling over partly this week with any luck |
| 12:40.11 | jsmith | OK |
| 12:40.37 | maquis | jsmith: the weird thing is... from what i can tell, it only happens when things are done from the admin account |
| 12:40.42 | mheath | Woah |
| 12:40.50 | mheath | isn't an IBM 7060-H50 kinda...old? |
| 12:40.51 | jsmith | maquis: That's even scarier... |
| 12:41.00 | maquis | because my guess is that people would give up at uploading screenshots if it took anywhere near this long |
| 12:41.10 | maquis | jsmith: it's not a particular admin account |
| 12:41.22 | maquis | but it's processes in the admin zone |
| 12:41.52 | maquis | which actually means that new users can't get approved because i've never actually gotten that process to complete |
| 12:41.54 | mheath | Just 100 MIPS processor..... |
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| 12:43.28 | mheath | jsmith: whats VMS like? |
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| 13:13.39 | graphyx | Morning. |
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| 13:14.29 | jsmith | mheath: Kind of like a cross between CP/M and Unix |
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| 14:48.56 | levi | Good morning. |
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| 15:00.51 | tensai | ~bucket Jayce^ |
| 15:00.53 | ibot | ACTION throws a bucket of water on Jayce^, "That one was for the smell!" |
| 15:02.31 | lars-ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.30 | lars-ut | ~pronounce Vonage |
| 15:04.05 | elg | I say voh-nahj |
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| 15:10.13 | lars-ut | I've been saying "VONN-idge"... I've had service with them since June of 2004, and I still don't know. Reminds me of Open Source Software. |
| 15:12.54 | tensai | that's a problem as old as to-may-to vs to-mah-to |
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| 15:16.01 | lars-ut | I think the OSS community does this to ourselves? guh-nome? kah-noppix? LEE-NIX? (hearkening back to the days when RH4.3 played Linus pronuncing Linux in their audio test file... |
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| 16:17.34 | elg | lars-ut: it was never leeenucks |
| 16:18.00 | elg | people with poorly discriminating ears for foreign languages hear the linus clip and think leeenucks |
| 16:18.15 | elg | but it's not. It's no more like leenucks than it is like lye-nucks |
| 16:18.25 | lars-ut | I guess the 3 languages I speak don't count. |
| 16:18.49 | elg | the most appropriate americanization is lihnux |
| 16:19.09 | elg | guess not. which languages are they? |
| 16:24.16 | lars-ut | elg: I can't remember anymore - my ears are unable to discriminate between them. |
| 16:24.46 | elg | that's cute. didn't mean to offend you |
| 16:25.07 | elg | just stating a fact - linus' name is nothing like the americanization leenus |
| 16:25.29 | elg | believe me, I have a scandinavian name and I have heard it butchered in very many ways. I bet you have too, eh? |
| 16:26.11 | lars-ut | true |
| 16:26.51 | bonez39 | what would cause one's mutt inbox to move? last week I found my inbox at $HOME/Mail/inbox yet today, I have to invoke 'mutt -f $HOME/Mail/inbox/inbox' to get to my incoming email.... |
| 16:27.07 | lars-ut | I usually just agree with whatever the first pronounciation used when speaking with others, correct or not. |
| 16:27.15 | elg | yeah, same here |
| 16:27.25 | elg | my wife gets bugged about it though. :) |
| 16:27.44 | lars-ut | give her a few years... |
| 16:27.52 | lars-ut | http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/torvalds-says-linux.wav |
| 16:28.23 | elg | no speaks here, is it the same one in the SillySounds dir on kernel.org? |
| 16:28.43 | lars-ut | not sure |
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| 16:29.11 | elg | "Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux 'Linux'" |
| 16:29.52 | lars-ut | I'll concede your point, though - his pronounciation is americanized and subtle. |
| 16:30.26 | elg | there's one on kernel.org where he says the same thing in swedish |
| 16:35.26 | elg | bonez39: what has changed? |
| 16:35.58 | lars-ut | In case you haven't seen it yet: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/nerdtv/ |
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| 17:13.17 | bonez39 | elg, just the location of where the incoming new messages are stored... |
| 17:13.34 | bonez39 | I haven't sought to change anything, nor changed anything with how incoming mail is processed, that I know of.... |
| 17:14.01 | bonez39 | I believe $HOME/.procmailrc has some influence over how email is processed on my system, but I am not sure.... |
| 17:24.39 | elg | what's in your .procmailrc? |
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| 17:29.33 | bonez39 | elg, it's small.....pasting here |
| 17:30.07 | bonez39 | MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail/inbox/ |
| 17:30.07 | bonez39 | LOGFILE=$HOME/.procmaillog |
| 17:30.07 | bonez39 | VERBOSE=no |
| 17:30.07 | bonez39 | # Mailing lists |
| 17:30.07 | bonez39 | # debian-user |
| 17:30.08 | bonez39 | :0 |
| 17:30.10 | bonez39 | * ^TO_debian-user |
| 17:30.12 | bonez39 | debian-user/ |
| 17:30.14 | bonez39 | # All other mail goes to inbox |
| 17:30.16 | bonez39 | :0 |
| 17:30.18 | bonez39 | inbox/ |
| 17:30.20 | bonez39 | sorry, if this is overload.... |
| 17:30.23 | bonez39 | anyway... that's my .procmailrc |
| 17:33.11 | elg | MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail/inbox/ |
| 17:33.14 | elg | :0 |
| 17:33.15 | elg | inbox/ |
| 17:33.42 | elg | that's you're problem. you're telling it mail goes to $MAILDIR/inbox/ which expands to $HOME/Mail/inbox/inbox |
| 17:33.50 | elg | \/ |
| 17:34.09 | elg | you probably want MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail |
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| 17:41.59 | bonez39 | elg, ok, fair enough...but then how do I tell mutt to look where it should, to find the mail, withou having to use the -f folder/location/ flag? |
| 17:44.38 | elg | that's the spoolfile option in your .muttrc |
| 17:46.26 | elg | alternatively, you can probably take out the inbox rule and let procmail use its defaults |
| 17:46.35 | elg | which are probably the same defaults mutt is using |
| 17:47.16 | bonez39 | ok...so take out the last link...the :0 and the inbox/ ? |
| 17:47.52 | elg | yeah |
| 17:48.05 | elg | then your mail will probably go to /var/mail/scott or wherever |
| 17:48.11 | elg | the same place mutt is probably looking |
| 17:48.19 | elg | your existing mail will of course stay where it is |
| 17:53.01 | bonez39 | yeah, mutt without any flag looks in /var/mail/scott |
| 17:54.09 | bonez39 | cool. and thanks... |
| 18:03.56 | elg | man I have a hard time with proofs |
| 18:05.19 | elg | especially of the form: is this foo or not foo? prove it |
| 18:05.32 | elg | I almost always end up proving the wrong answer |
| 18:05.43 | levi | I was never that great at them either. |
| 18:05.56 | elg | then the TA doesn't say, here's where you went wrong. he says "Was supposed to disprove this!" |
| 18:05.57 | levi | I want to get better, but I don't think I'll have an opportunity any time soon. |
| 18:06.16 | levi | elg: That would take effort on the TA's part! |
| 18:06.28 | levi | TAs aren't paid enough to put forth effort. ;) |
| 18:06.43 | elg | right. he should be able to write a counterproof or I didn't get it wrong. :) |
| 18:21.24 | maquis | elg: you just proved it... unless he can prove *why* you're wrong, you should get credit for proving the proof that they wanted wrong :) |
| 18:22.35 | elg | yeah. unfortunately in this case he didn't have to - the prof did it for him in the exam review materials. in fact, I haven't seen the paper come back for one of the proofs I now know I must have gotten wrong. :) |
| 18:26.26 | elg | unless of course his proof is the one that's wrong. but I'm guessing I'm the one that's wrong |
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| 18:32.33 | maquis | haha |
| 18:34.47 | maquis | yay... |
| 18:34.55 | maquis | cs project got postponed by a day |
| 18:35.02 | maquis | which makes it a bit more possible |
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| 18:41.20 | elg | ~applaud sjansen |
| 18:41.23 | maquis | sjansen: pine not doing it for you? |
| 18:41.33 | elg | pine is like notepad |
| 18:41.44 | maquis | :) |
| 18:42.09 | maquis | sjansen: where are you this week? |
| 18:42.23 | sjansen | actually, webmail isn't doing for me |
| 18:42.33 | sjansen | which is why I finally broke down and used mutt |
| 18:42.49 | sjansen | make no mistake, I'm NOT abandoning my LOVELY evolution |
| 18:42.57 | maquis | sjansen: oh... webmail isn't doing it for me either... but i am still not having much success getting fetchmail, procmail, postfix and gmail to work together |
| 18:43.00 | sjansen | maquis: columbus, oh |
| 18:43.05 | maquis | sjansen: right |
| 18:43.12 | maquis | you told me that earlier... |
| 18:43.19 | maquis | there are just too many of you to keep track of |
| 18:44.09 | maquis | er... |
| 18:44.12 | maquis | test |
| 18:47.29 | sjansen | maquis: just remeber, it fourteen hundred ninety-two goozbach sailed the ocean blue |
| 18:48.13 | sjansen | maquis: the quote "give me Linux or give me death" was first uttered by emcnabb |
| 18:49.14 | sjansen | maquis: the declaration of independence outlined life, liberty, and the pursuit of Free software as basic human freedoms |
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| 18:50.10 | maquis | sjansen: if only my class was on american history, i'd be fine |
| 18:50.26 | maquis | unfortunately, we're doing ancient civ... |
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| 18:50.36 | maquis | i can do ancient egypt pretty well... |
| 18:51.05 | maquis | we should've done more with the greek theology... i know that reasonably well... |
| 18:51.09 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
| 18:51.21 | maquis | ~smite SpecialZ |
| 18:51.22 | ibot | ACTION wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves SpecialZ from crown to sole. |
| 18:52.26 | maquis | sjansen: i should see if i can incorporate Free software into the essay, though |
| 18:52.44 | maquis | i should be able to incororate it into my creativity project again... :) |
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| 18:57.40 | maquis | ~lart amcnabb |
| 18:57.41 | maquis | :) |
| 19:03.53 | levi | Ugh, I'm tired, and I've got homework to finish while I'm at work, in addition to my work stuff. :/ |
| 19:04.12 | maquis | levi: ick |
| 19:04.44 | levi | My wife was ill over the weekend, so I spent a lot of time taking care of her and had no motivation to do this stupid assignment. |
| 19:05.08 | maquis | what's the assignment? |
| 19:05.37 | levi | It's for my joke of an Operating Systems class. I'm supposed to turn in a rough draft for a two page paper. |
| 19:10.13 | levi | I'm not sure just how much BS I can get away with. I suspect a lot. It is only a rough draft, though. |
| 19:12.17 | sjansen | levi: fill it with pop culture references then say our thinking about turning it into a book |
| 19:12.38 | levi | sjansen: I'm pretty sure that wouldn't fly very far. |
| 19:12.52 | sjansen | comparing madonna's career in the 80's to alternative malloc implementations should be good for at least a page |
| 19:13.06 | levi | sjansen: I'll bet I'd get an A for a discourse on the interaction between DASDs and Bubble Memory, though. |
| 19:13.17 | maquis | bubble memory? |
| 19:13.24 | maquis | ~bubble |
| 19:13.29 | sjansen | levi: that hardly sounds like a best seller |
| 19:13.31 | levi | maquis: That was my reaction when he first brought it up. |
| 19:13.42 | maquis | levi: it sounds cool |
| 19:13.44 | maquis | does it pop? |
| 19:13.46 | levi | sjansen: I don't have to sell it to the public, just my professor. |
| 19:13.59 | levi | maquis: It went pop in the market, and now it's quite dead. |
| 19:14.01 | maquis | ~sell sjansen |
| 19:14.09 | maquis | levi: that's not quite as cool |
| 19:14.17 | maquis | it'd rock if it made your computer go *POP* |
| 19:14.40 | levi | Heh, cool assembly instruction of the day: http://www.nersc.gov/vendor_docs/ibm/asm/rlwinm.htm#idx759 |
| 19:14.54 | sjansen | snap, crackle, pop -- rice rambus! |
| 19:14.59 | maquis | pop! *pop* * * pop * * |
| 19:15.11 | maquis | :) |
| 19:16.07 | sjansen | levi: looks like proof that powerpc is no longer truely risc |
| 19:16.14 | levi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_memory |
| 19:17.21 | levi | sjansen: And perhaps also that risc is not truly all it's cracked up to be. |
| 19:19.32 | sjansen | And so now the question is, what is DASD and why do I care how it relates to bubble memory. |
| 19:19.36 | sjansen | ? |
| 19:21.12 | levi | sjansen: It's mainframese for disk drive. Stands for 'Direct Access Storage Device'. |
| 19:21.37 | levi | So, a bubble memory system would probably be considered a DASD. |
| 19:21.56 | levi | sjansen: My point was to show how incredibly out of date this guy is. |
| 19:25.14 | sjansen | Innovation in Unix! New increased security heap implementations on OpenBSD! Click here for details! |
| 19:25.56 | sjansen | (*Did we say details? We mean a couple pages expanding on nothing more than the information in the previous three sentences. Silly us.) |
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| 19:26.55 | xbmodder_gaim | heh |
| 19:26.57 | xbmodder_gaim | hey |
| 19:27.10 | sjansen | ~slay xbmodder_gaim |
| 19:27.12 | ibot | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, xbmodder_gaim!" apt lops off xbmodder_gaim's head. |
| 19:27.20 | xbmodder_gaim | ~deslay xbmodder_gaim |
| 19:27.29 | sjansen | Nice... but not as satisfying as I'd hoped. |
| 19:27.50 | xbmodder_gaim | ~blart sjansen |
| 19:27.58 | xbmodder_gaim | ~lart sjansen |
| 19:29.33 | elg | ~slam sjansen |
| 19:29.34 | ibot | ACTION slams sjansen against a large cement Tux |
| 19:30.05 | xbmodder_gaim | thank you elg |
| 19:30.15 | elg | ~squash xbmodder_gaim |
| 19:31.16 | xbmodder_gaim | ~rm elg |
| 19:31.17 | ibot | elg is an unperson |
| 19:32.49 | harleypig | Anyone familiar enough with qmail to give me some private tutoring (just im here)? |
| 19:33.40 | xbmodder_gaim | harleypig: I am ok with it. |
| 19:33.59 | xbmodder_gaim | harleypig: What do ya need? |
| 19:34.24 | harleypig | I've got it installed, and I see the mail in /var/vpopmail/domains/domain.com/user/new but it's not being delivered. |
| 19:34.25 | levi | Ahh, I finally broke through that initial brain-block and the BS is beginning to flow.... |
| 19:34.34 | sjansen | ~destroy elg |
| 19:34.35 | ibot | no |
| 19:34.46 | harleypig | levi: What a mental image. |
| 19:34.48 | emcnabb | sjansen was denied by ibot |
| 19:34.51 | emcnabb | wow |
| 19:35.06 | levi | harleypig: At least it didn't have anything to do with speedos. |
| 19:35.08 | harleypig | xbmodder_gaim: I've got the .qmail file as well. |
| 19:35.34 | sjansen | ~bart emcnabb |
| 19:35.35 | ibot | ACTION forces emcnabb to eat her shorts |
| 19:35.36 | harleypig | levi: No, just suppositories for the mind. |
| 19:35.38 | harleypig | :> |
| 19:36.05 | sjansen | ~fish elg |
| 19:36.06 | ibot | ACTION slaps elg around with a large trout |
| 19:36.06 | levi | harleypig: You must have missed the discussion earlier when I described the assignment I'm working on. |
| 19:36.27 | xbmodder_gaim | harleypig: did you try mailmakedir inside the users home dir? Does it work like so? |
| 19:36.52 | levi | harleypig: It's a rough draft for a two page paper on... something vaguely defined in the assignment documentation that has something to do with operating system performance, benchmarking, etc. |
| 19:37.36 | harleypig | levi: Ah. But the wording on that one line just brought that mental imagery to the fore. |
| 19:37.41 | harleypig | Of course, I've got a potty brain. |
| 19:37.52 | levi | harleypig: Literally, apparently. :) |
| 19:38.03 | harleypig | xbmodder_gaim: I haven't run across that script in my reading. maildirmake? |
| 19:38.44 | sjansen | harleypig: Do you really want to use qmail? |
| 19:39.08 | xbmodder_gaim | sjansen: for newbs (no offense harleypig) qmail is simpler. |
| 19:39.13 | sjansen | Wouldn't you prefer a nice, sane mta like postfix? |
| 19:39.39 | harleypig | sjansen: Yeah, as much as djb is a nutcase, and a pita, he writes solid stuff. |
| 19:39.42 | sjansen | I mean, it even shares four letters of its name with postgresql. |
| 19:40.03 | harleypig | You just have to twist your mind to fit his worldview, at least for the purposes of the software. |
| 19:40.13 | harleypig | xbmodder_gaim: None taken. :> |
| 19:40.17 | emcnabb | xbmodder_gaim, I think Postfix is pretty simple |
| 19:40.25 | emcnabb | how is qmail more simple? |
| 19:40.49 | sjansen | emcnabb: qmail "let's" you manually patch the source code yourself |
| 19:40.59 | emcnabb | oh yeah, I forgot :-) |
| 19:41.06 | harleypig | sjansen: You so sarcastic! :D |
| 19:41.27 | xbmodder_gaim | emcnabb: postfix is HUGE though. |
| 19:41.36 | emcnabb | how's that? |
| 19:42.05 | sjansen | emcnabb: I suspect xbmodder_gaim hasn't realized yet that he doesn't have to read the entire binary file to use the software. |
| 19:42.12 | harleypig | From what I've read it's easier to insert custom calls in various steps in qmail than in postfix. |
| 19:42.34 | xbmodder_gaim | emcnabb: the postfix default config file is like 19K and qmail is ~1K |
| 19:42.36 | sjansen | harleypig: maybe... what do you need? |
| 19:42.54 | emcnabb | xbmodder_gaim, you only need to change the first 5 - 6 variables in the file |
| 19:43.00 | emcnabb | no big deal |
| 19:43.05 | sjansen | xbmodder_gaim: that's mostly comments |
| 19:43.17 | emcnabb | sjansen, exactly |
| 19:43.35 | sjansen | personally, I appreciate a config file with ~18K of comments |
| 19:43.38 | harleypig | sjansen: Nothing right now, but in the future I'll need to be able to redirect incoming email in an unknown (at this time) order. |
| 19:43.55 | sjansen | harleypig: huh? |
| 19:44.10 | elg | sjansen: not me. I prefer 18k of documentation somewhere, but somewhere other than the config file |
| 19:44.25 | sjansen | elg: heh |
| 19:44.27 | harleypig | sjansen: I don't know at which point in the imcoming email process I need to redirect email at this time. |
| 19:44.49 | harleypig | I know I'll need to do both pre- and post- spam checking, pre- and post- virus checking. |
| 19:44.55 | elg | it's seriously way hard to get a handle on how this site is different from the default when you have to wade through screen after screen of comments you've already read |
| 19:45.15 | sjansen | elg: egrep -v '^#' |
| 19:45.19 | elg | grep can help out, yes |
| 19:45.22 | harleypig | I'll also need to parse the email for different types of questions and forward or send to diffeerent boxes |
| 19:45.35 | jsmith | elg: Why not write a "grep" plugin for firefox :-) |
| 19:45.42 | elg | lol |
| 19:46.14 | harleypig | err ..,. s/questions/content/ |
| 19:46.43 | harleypig | I'm planning on trying out RT for this, but if that doesn't work for what i want then I'll need to write my own. |
| 19:46.49 | harleypig | But first I need to get qmail working. |
| 19:47.29 | xbmodder_gaim | i agree with elg |
| 19:48.15 | harleypig | xbmodder_gaim: maildirmake doesn't work. |
| 19:48.25 | harleypig | err ... it created .maildir in my home directory |
| 19:48.39 | harleypig | and created the cur, new and tmp directories, but nothing is getting to them. |
| 19:48.48 | xbmodder_gaim | log files? |
| 19:50.16 | harleypig | I don't see anything wrong |
| 19:50.36 | harleypig | The email is getting to /var/vpopmail/domains/domain.com/user/new just fine |
| 19:50.52 | harleypig | I'm looking at /var/log/qmail/qmail-smtpd/current |
| 19:50.58 | harleypig | Should I be looking somewhere else? |
| 19:51.36 | elg | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ssl/ssl_faq.html#vhosts2 |
| 19:51.57 | elg | is it just me, or is this "limitation" an artificial one imposed by apache needing to decide on which virtualhost to use at the very begininng? |
| 19:53.14 | xbmodder_gaim | /var/log/mail/current |
| 19:54.01 | harleypig | Doesn't exist. |
| 19:54.12 | emcnabb | sjansen, you just got a copy of Enterprise Open Source Journal |
| 19:55.10 | harleypig | Besides, the /var/log/qmail/qmail-smtpd/current shows the correct information and no error message. |
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| 20:18.40 | levi | Heh, the CADR source code release hit Slashdot. |
| 20:19.23 | Tene | CADR? |
| 20:21.00 | levi | The second-generation MIT Lisp Machine. |
| 20:21.24 | levi | (cadr is the command to grab the second element in a list in lisp) |
| 20:21.34 | levi | The first Lisp Machine was called CONS. |
| 20:24.46 | vontrapp | any ruby Array method for combinating the elements into something singular |
| 20:25.09 | vontrapp | e.g. like join, but using a block to do the combinating |
| 20:25.44 | vontrapp | so join would be like join {x,y| "#{x}#{y}"} |
| 20:26.06 | vontrapp | and then you could have an array of numbers and do join {|x,y| x + y} |
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| 20:26.26 | vontrapp | is such a thing available? |
| 20:26.58 | levi | Like a fold? |
| 20:27.22 | vontrapp | sure, if that's what a fold does |
| 20:27.29 | levi | I'm not sure what you're describing. |
| 20:27.56 | levi | (fold + 0 '(1 2 3)) => 6 |
| 20:28.27 | levi | Insert your favorite two-arg function in place of +, and the initial argument in place of 0. |
| 20:28.56 | levi | That sums 0 with 1, that result with 2, and that result with 3. |
| 20:29.11 | vontrapp | the proc would act on pairs of elements x and y, each time x being the previous result and y the next element |
| 20:29.22 | levi | Yeah, that's a fold. |
| 20:29.33 | maquis | step 1) type. 2) hit <enter>. 3) think |
| 20:29.34 | levi | I would imagine Ruby has a fold operator. |
| 20:29.48 | levi | maquis: That's out of order! |
| 20:29.55 | maquis | levi: you sure? |
| 20:30.13 | levi | maquis: Unless you /like/ making lots of mistakes. |
| 20:30.13 | vontrapp | she didn't think before pressing enter |
| 20:30.40 | vontrapp | if ruby has a fold, it's not called fold |
| 20:30.44 | maquis | (this isn't related to anything i've done recently... just reminiscing about various experiences recently) |
| 20:30.45 | vontrapp | anyone know what it's called? |
| 20:30.55 | vontrapp | what about perl, does it have one? |
| 20:30.57 | levi | It's not hard to implement. |
| 20:31.17 | maquis | levi: didn't i implement that a week or two ago? |
| 20:31.21 | emcnabb | you know you're dealing with a program that hasn't been updated in a while when the FAQ states: "RedHat 5.2 is unfortunately shipping a prerelease version of Perl ("5.004m4") with some of their Linux distributions..." |
| 20:31.23 | levi | maquis: Yup. |
| 20:31.42 | maquis | emcnabb: nice! |
| 20:31.49 | levi | vontrapp: Try foldl and foldr |
| 20:32.07 | levi | vontrapp: left-fold and right-fold are different, but related, operations. |
| 20:32.27 | levi | vontrapp: You might find this paper interesting: http://www.cs.nott.ac.uk/~gmh/fold.pdf |
| 20:33.05 | emcnabb | also: "Is Majordomo Y2K (Year 2000) compliant?" |
| 20:34.26 | levi | vontrapp: Hmm, maybe they're not included in Ruby. Here's some source that seems to have implementations, though: http://www.xs4all.nl/~hipster/lib/ruby/haskell |
| 20:39.41 | levi | Hmm, neither Perl nor Ruby seem to have built-in fold function/methods. |
| 20:39.43 | levi | That's sad. |
| 20:40.48 | levi | Hmm. Smalltalk seems to do it via an 'inject' method on collection classes. |
| 20:43.02 | levi | vontrapp: Ahh, yes, Ruby does have inject. There you go! |
| 20:45.54 | levi | vontrapp: I believe inject is a left fold. |
| 20:47.54 | vontrapp | ah jes, inject is what i want |
| 20:48.11 | vontrapp | to get a right fold, you could just reverse the array, right? |
| 20:48.20 | vontrapp | or am i misconceptualizing the difference? |
| 20:50.08 | levi | Well, if you're operating on lists, it usually doesn't make a difference. Semantically, a left-fold is tail-recursive (thus iterative) and a right-fold is not tail-recursive. |
| 20:53.37 | levi | (define fold-r (op first lst) (if (null? lst) '() (cons (op (car lst)) (fold-r (cdr lst))))) |
| 20:54.35 | levi | Hmmm, that's not right. |
| 20:54.44 | levi | But the recursive pattern is, at least. |
| 21:00.02 | lars-ut | Anybody here use a fax server at the office (hylafax or similar)? |
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| 21:11.18 | vontrapp | hans does |
| 21:11.26 | vontrapp | aka elg |
| 21:14.51 | elg | yup |
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| 21:17.41 | elg | http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1189 |
| 21:17.42 | elg | oh my |
| 21:26.04 | levi | Time for school. |
| 21:29.14 | elg | sigh. time for work |
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| 21:51.32 | elg | i love it when people attach the email that bounces, but not the bounce itself |
| 22:00.24 | elg | does anyone here have the slightest interest in strange utmp bug chasing? if not, I'll keep my trap shut ;-) |
| 22:01.57 | Bradipo | hans might... :-) |
| 22:02.28 | elg | oh yes, the alter ego. gotta keep him reigned in |
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| 22:18.52 | vontrapp | is_object($space); # => false |
| 22:19.10 | vontrapp | print($space); # => Object id #4 |
| 22:19.20 | vontrapp | ~attack php |
| 22:19.21 | ibot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing php |
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| 23:22.49 | elg | ~lart vontrapp |
| 23:30.45 | goozbach | ~lart shoddy hardware |
| 23:54.44 | goozbach | sweet! somebody pimped my blog for me. |
