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| 00:26.34 | xbmodder | hey |
| 00:40.43 | JoshH | the last time i flew |
| 00:40.49 | JoshH | i was totally scared it was going to crash |
| 00:41.03 | JoshH | this one time the plane banked really hard, it felt like it was going to roll over |
| 00:41.14 | JoshH | and i was like well, this is it, im about to die |
| 00:41.49 | JoshH | then like a week later that whole jetblue/sideways landing gear thing happened |
| 00:42.02 | JoshH | i think ill just stick to driving whenever possible |
| 00:46.46 | sjansen | that's not really an option with my job |
| 00:47.19 | sjansen | used to get a tiny bit nervous flying, now it's no big deal |
| 00:47.43 | sjansen | the documentary just gives me a morbid certain curiosity |
| 00:48.45 | sjansen | (although I have started always checking emergency exists, how to release the inflatable slides and wether my seat includes a life vest) |
| 00:49.39 | xbmodder | :( |
| 00:50.28 | sjansen | statistically, flying is safer than driiving |
| 00:51.13 | sjansen | along the same line, people who check emregency procedures at the start of the flight are more likely to survive any accident |
| 00:51.47 | sjansen | the thing I don't like about flying is the tiny seats |
| 00:54.05 | JoshH | ya, those suck too |
| 00:54.33 | xbmodder | and no communication to the outside world... |
| 00:54.43 | TheDiff | i just got my laptop back :) |
| 00:54.59 | xbmodder | if you do crash you will not be able to call home and say bye--- |
| 00:56.13 | TheDiff | don't hate on flying |
| 00:56.27 | TheDiff | its fun, except for the airport part |
| 01:14.48 | sjansen | Wow. It's amazing humanity hasn't destoyed itself. We are so consistently stupid. |
| 01:15.51 | goozbach | flying is fine, if you are i in fist class |
| 01:16.12 | sjansen | At thes start of WWI we had a very good machine gun. Possibly the best. Instead, we used a french piece of trash so badsoldiers would thow it away after being issued one then scrounge something better. |
| 01:17.17 | sjansen | The reason we diddn't give our soldiers our good gun? We were afraid the Germans would find one and start copying it. |
| 01:17.34 | goozbach | it makes me feel good that all military hardware is made by the lowest bidder |
| 01:17.39 | xbmodder | sjansen, its geeks that keep it running. |
| 01:19.28 | goozbach | foga de gachco for lunch tomorrow methinks |
| 01:25.58 | sjansen | ~beat goozbach |
| 01:26.01 | ibot | ACTION beats goozbach with a large stick. |
| 01:26.02 | sjansen | ~destroy goozbach |
| 01:26.03 | ibot | no |
| 01:26.05 | sjansen | ~flatten goozbach |
| 01:26.11 | sjansen | ~crush goozbach |
| 01:26.12 | ibot | ACTION crushes goozbach with a full height scsi disk |
| 01:26.18 | sjansen | ~murder goozbach |
| 01:26.20 | ibot | ACTION shoots goozbach in his sleep |
| 01:26.30 | sjansen | ~trash goozbach |
| 01:26.44 | sjansen | ~stab goozbach |
| 01:26.46 | ibot | ACTION runs at goozbach with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 01:26.49 | sjansen | ~burn goozbach |
| 01:26.51 | ibot | ibot pours gasoline all over goozbach, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 01:27.02 | sjansen | ~eat goozbach |
| 01:27.04 | ibot | ACTION eats goozbach and falls over dead |
| 01:31.27 | goozbach | jealous? |
| 01:32.48 | sjansen | ~steal goozbach's lunch |
| 01:32.49 | ibot | ACTION grabs goozbach's lunch and gives it to sjansen |
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| 02:43.13 | Supaplex | ~break JoshH |
| 02:44.06 | maquis | ~beat emcnabb |
| 02:44.07 | ibot | ACTION beats emcnabb with a large stick. |
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| 02:45.09 | JoshH | ~lobotomy Supaplex |
| 02:45.11 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a rusty saw to perform a lobotomy on Supaplex |
| 03:17.54 | goozbach | talk about some helpful transients |
| 03:18.27 | goozbach | helping me find my way back to several different hotels, the nearest store, the strip club... |
| 03:26.13 | levi | goozbach: Did they hit you up for money after they were helpful? |
| 03:27.33 | mheath | ~lart managers that get mad at you for no reason |
| 03:27.51 | mheath | ibot: you failed at parsing my lart. Nice try though. |
| 03:28.24 | mheath | Don't you think that me asking if I can go home fills the requirement of me asking if I can go home? |
| 03:30.48 | goozbach | levi: of course |
| 03:31.18 | goozbach | I offered to buy them food |
| 03:31.31 | goozbach | of course they all declined |
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| 03:45.19 | levi | Heya. |
| 03:45.35 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, what's up? |
| 03:47.32 | levi | Looking at the CLX package (a pure Common Lisp X library) to see how difficult it would be to port it to Slate. |
| 03:47.43 | tensai | Slate? |
| 03:47.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Slate? |
| 03:47.55 | ScytheBlade1 | popular question ;) |
| 03:48.00 | levi | Slate's a new Smalltalk derivative that borrows a lot from Common Lisp. |
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| 03:51.54 | levi | I think my answer is that porting it to Slate is well beyond my means right now. |
| 03:54.51 | levi | I.e., I have good taste. |
| 03:55.42 | levi | Gah, my server is making an annoying alarm noise. I think it's overheating. |
| 03:56.33 | ScytheBlade1 | whoo, my monitor just burned out |
| 03:56.34 | ScytheBlade1 | completly |
| 03:56.47 | levi | Oops. |
| 03:57.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Now I'm stuck on my crap one which causes bleedind of the eyes if used for 10+ minutes |
| 03:57.13 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 03:57.21 | levi | Aww. |
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| 04:07.30 | xbmodder | hey |
| 04:18.35 | tensai | levi: can you explain to me what a closure is? |
| 04:18.50 | levi | tensai: I'll give it a shot. |
| 04:23.14 | levi | When you create a function in a language that supports lexical closures, you may use variables that are defined outside of the function in the surrounding lexical scope; perhaps another function. For instance, in pseudocode: function(a) { return function(b) { return a + b } } |
| 04:24.24 | levi | ('function' here defines an anonymous function) |
| 04:27.04 | tensai | in the ruby FAQ they state they support true closures rather than simple anonymous functions. what's the difference? |
| 04:27.07 | maquis | levi: huh? |
| 04:27.42 | tensai | I think they were comparing it to java's anonymous classes. from what I remember that sounds like what java supports. |
| 04:28.06 | levi | maquis: (lambda (a) (lambda (b) (+ a b))) |
| 04:28.33 | levi | tensai: Hold on, I had to go afk for a bit. |
| 04:29.49 | levi | tensai: So, normally you can't define a function that uses a variable that's not bound in its scope, either via the parameters to the function or some sort of a local variable binding. But in the case of the above inner function, we did just that. |
| 04:31.59 | levi | tensai: When a function is created in a language that supports closures, not only does the language keep a pointer to the code, but it keeps a pointer to an 'environment' that contains references to where all the free variables are located. So the inner function 'closes over' variables that are bound outside of its immediate scope. |
| 04:32.01 | maquis | levi: right |
| 04:32.27 | levi | maquis: Why the huh? then? |
| 04:32.57 | maquis | levi: i wasn't catching the terminology, and didn't catch your explanation... but once you gave the example, it made sense |
| 04:33.25 | levi | maquis: They should be covering that terminology in CS330, I'd think. |
| 04:34.11 | maquis | levi: they well might've.... |
| 04:34.23 | maquis | Newsome: sup? |
| 04:35.10 | levi | tensai: The problem with Java and closures is that the semantics of the language make it explicit where certain variables are stored and how method calls work. Allocating a variable on the stack makes it difficult to close over, since it disappears when the method that defines it returns. |
| 04:37.13 | levi | tensai: So Java gets by with inner classes, which are kind of a weak substitute for a closure. Instead of storing a reference to free variables, they store a reference to their outer object, so you can get at object variables on it. |
| 04:39.34 | levi | tensai: In Ruby (and Smalltalk, and Scheme, and Common Lisp) the language semantics don't define how variables and function calls/method invocations are implemented. That means that variables that get captured by closures get stored on the heap, and so they stick around once the function that created them returns. |
| 04:39.52 | levi | Newsome: That's a shame. |
| 04:39.59 | levi | tensai: Is this making sense? |
| 04:41.54 | levi | C and C++ have the same issue with implementing closures. |
| 04:44.06 | tensai | levi: I think so. So the important detail about closure is the environment when the function is called is exactly as it was when the function was defined. |
| 04:44.48 | levi | tensai: Well, the variables in the environment when it executes are the same ones that lexically surround it where it was defined. |
| 04:44.55 | tensai | Newsome: I don't mind learning stuff when it's on my own terms |
| 04:45.10 | tensai | levi: yeah, that's what I was trying to say |
| 04:45.59 | tensai | levi: and you finally explained the term "closure". it always seemed like a retarded word. |
| 04:46.19 | levi | tensai: So, in my example above, calling the defined function with '5' would return another function. That function would thereafter, when invoked, add 5 to its argument. |
| 04:48.39 | xbmodder | right now I am wondering why my internet is slow :-/; |
| 04:50.26 | xbmodder | I have great up but terrible down |
| 04:50.51 | levi | tensai: You can use the principle of lexical closures to implement objects. |
| 04:51.59 | tensai | levi: yeah. that seems obvious when you say it, but I never would have thought of it. |
| 04:53.19 | levi | tensai: Of course, in Ruby, you've already got objects. :) Closures remain very useful, though. |
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| 04:56.51 | tensai | that seems vaguely like what I remember from CS330, despite how hard I've tried to block it out. |
| 05:00.37 | tensai | now I need something useful and simple to write in ruby |
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| 05:29.55 | amcnabb | Did anyone hear about the guy that's doing "bumvertising?" |
| 05:30.10 | maquis | amcnabb: yeah... i saw that article... :) |
| 05:31.16 | amcnabb | The Daily Show did a great clip on him. |
| 05:31.38 | levi | Hrm. I wish I couldn't hear the bed squeaking in my neighbor's bedroom right now. |
| 05:34.55 | maquis | levi: TMI :) |
| 05:35.07 | levi | maquis: Yeah, for me too! |
| 05:35.13 | maquis | :) |
| 05:37.42 | xbmodder | does anyone know how to setup squid like so: Box----Encrypted Link---->Squid Transperent Proxy-> internet? |
| 05:57.39 | amcnabb | If anyone wants it, go to http://www.mcnabbs.org/andrew/humor/bumvertising.mov |
| 05:57.45 | amcnabb | It's a little big, though (60GB) |
| 05:59.56 | xbmodder | you want to keep that off google. |
| 05:59.59 | amcnabb | Sorry, 60MB |
| 06:00.12 | amcnabb | It's taken care of. |
| 06:00.21 | amcnabb | I'm careful with my big files. |
| 06:00.38 | amcnabb | But 60GB would be REALLY big. |
| 06:00.59 | xbmodder | i was like wtf? how long is it for 60 GIGS |
| 06:01.00 | maquis | amcnabb: cool :) |
| 06:05.06 | amcnabb | Let me know if there are any problems with the file. |
| 06:08.29 | amcnabb | Good night, all. |
| 06:10.34 | xbmodder | My internet keeps slowing down. |
| 06:19.31 | Supaplex | it's overheating ;) |
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| 08:02.57 | spr | oh dang, serenity is awesome |
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| 13:42.10 | graphyx | morning. |
| 13:51.04 | elg | yup |
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| 15:23.35 | levi | Morning. |
| 15:25.50 | tensai | no, it can't be true |
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| 15:25.58 | xbmodder-treo | hey |
| 15:26.02 | xbmodder-treo | sup guys? |
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| 15:26.39 | tensai | ~pig |
| 15:26.41 | ibot | *oink* *oink* *oink* |
| 15:26.47 | harleypig | :D |
| 15:26.49 | xbmodder-treo | anyone here have an extremely fast connection that I can borrow? |
| 15:26.57 | xbmodder-treo | or a server with one? |
| 15:27.17 | harleypig | xbmodder-treo: Do you want a shell or physical access? |
| 15:27.17 | xbmodder-treo | harl(tab) sup? |
| 15:27.37 | xbmodder-treo | shell |
| 15:27.54 | harleypig | ? harl(tab) ? Did you do that on purpose? Or did your program? |
| 15:27.59 | harleypig | How much space do you need? |
| 15:28.16 | xbmodder-treo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.25 | xbmodder-treo | but in a week or so. |
| 15:28.32 | xbmodder-treo | and about 50 mb. |
| 15:28.46 | harleypig | I've got a linode that has a fast connection. It's only got 64 megs on it though. |
| 15:28.54 | xbmodder-treo | its a simple idea I have to write a two part proxy. |
| 15:29.02 | xbmodder-treo | 64 megs disk space? |
| 15:29.08 | xbmodder-treo | memory? |
| 15:29.09 | harleypig | Oh, no. Caker just upped the memory ... it's at 76M now. |
| 15:29.17 | harleypig | :] RAM |
| 15:29.23 | xbmodder-treo | I need about 15 mb ram :) |
| 15:29.46 | xbmodder-treo | or less if I don't thread it. |
| 15:29.47 | harleypig | I can handle 50MB HD space. How long do you need it for? |
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| 15:30.32 | xbmodder-treo | 2 weeks or so. i'll have the beta out on monday testing will be through next week. |
| 15:30.48 | harleypig | Will this be a daemon? |
| 15:31.36 | xbmodder-treo | can I talk to you in PM? |
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| 15:39.25 | sjansen | ~poke a fugal |
| 15:39.27 | ibot | but then who will poke the pokers, sjansen? elg? |
| 15:39.55 | sjansen | sounds good enough to me |
| 15:40.05 | sjansen | ~jab elg |
| 15:44.50 | Bradipo | You have been condemned... http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/30/135259 |
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| 15:47.49 | SpecialZ | ~segfault sjansen |
| 15:47.50 | ibot | ACTION executes sjansen and -9teLdR/;+#Segmentation fault. |
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| 15:54.13 | mheath | Well, that was a nice way to start the day |
| 15:54.37 | mheath | I've been in school for 12.5 years now....and for the first time ever, I woke up late and am late to school |
| 15:55.12 | mheath | I've got a bit of time now, because (thanks to my schools moronic attendance policy) it's not worth me leaving until my next class |
| 15:55.45 | graphyx | Hey what is the reserved ip address set that starts wiht 172? |
| 15:56.41 | xbmodder-treo | 172.169. |
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| 15:59.47 | Newsome | 172.16.x.y - 172.31.x.y |
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| 16:07.41 | findlay | amcnabb: what's that window resizing thingie you can do in gnome with the cursor and some modifying key? |
| 16:08.25 | amcnabb | emcnabb was the one doing it |
| 16:08.39 | findlay | it seems to be <Alt>+MMB |
| 16:08.43 | amcnabb | I think it was alt and the middle button, but you might have to set that somewhere. |
| 16:09.20 | amcnabb | findlay, we remember it the same way, so it must be right. |
| 16:09.44 | findlay | and yet it works |
| 16:11.03 | maquis | haha |
| 16:11.11 | maquis | userfriendly is funny today... :) |
| 16:11.21 | harleypig | xbmodder-treo: Just made me nostalgic for Ultimas 1-3 ... *sigh* |
| 16:12.32 | xbmodder-treo | how old does that make you? |
| 16:12.48 | xbmodder-treo | to use an apple 2 in HS? |
| 16:13.07 | findlay | harleypig is the rms figure here |
| 16:13.11 | RyanE | not all that old... |
| 16:13.40 | xbmodder-treo | brb. testing time! |
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| 16:13.42 | harleypig | Actually, I mis-remembered ... the apple 2 hadn't come out yet. |
| 16:14.27 | RyanE | my older brother had a PDP-7 in their classroom in HS... |
| 16:14.42 | RyanE | and they bought the first Apple II his senior year. |
| 16:14.54 | RyanE | well, not the *first* Apple II, but the first in the school. |
| 16:15.33 | harleypig | I just remember discovering Ultima 1 and realizing that you could play d&d on a computer. |
| 16:16.11 | harleypig | It was revolutionary (to me) when Lord British made the graphics look decent for the world map. |
| 16:16.15 | RyanE | Ultima 1 rocked. |
| 16:16.46 | RyanE | I don't remember if it was Ultima I or another of those games, but you could sell negative items to the store, and get an item *and* make money at the same time. :) |
| 16:17.33 | harleypig | I think that was a bbs mod ... or no, it was rogue or nethack. |
| 16:17.51 | harleypig | I don't remember being able to sell anything in Ultima 1 or 2. |
| 16:18.48 | RyanE | being I never played rogue or nethack, but played Ultima, that's the one I remember it in, but I'm likely wrong. Old age, and all that. :) |
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| 16:22.41 | amcnabb | Yesterday, there was a girl about 2 years old in the office. |
| 16:22.41 | amcnabb | She pointed at a poster with Stallman on it, and said "Jesus." |
| 16:22.41 | amcnabb | Not enough people out there have beards, I guess. |
| 16:22.53 | tensai | jsmith: got everything worked out with Marsee |
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| 16:23.32 | jsmith | tensai: I told you she'd hook you up :-) |
| 16:24.00 | tensai | jsmith: now if she could only do something about my echo... |
| 16:25.19 | tensai | jsmith: I noticed that my phone line at home is grounded to the water main. would that make a difference? |
| 16:25.21 | jsmith | tensai: Try the KB1 echo canceller in -HEAD |
| 16:25.44 | jsmith | tensai: Could certainly make a difference -- echo is caused by impedence mismatch most of the time |
| 16:26.03 | tensai | I haven't seen the demarc here so I can't say what it looks like |
| 16:26.03 | jsmith | tensai: According to Digium, the new echo can fixes about 90% of reported echo problems. |
| 16:26.21 | tensai | I'll have to give it a whirl |
| 16:26.55 | tensai | any problems you can see by going from a debian package to cvs source? |
| 16:29.27 | elg | jsmith: that's cool. if I had a land line I'd check out my wildcard generic |
| 16:29.32 | tensai | jsmith: wait, wouldn't that just be in the zaptel source? or do I need to upgrade asterisk as well? |
| 16:29.54 | jsmith | tensai: It's dangerous to use -HEAD zaptel with older source --- possible, but dangerous :-) |
| 16:30.54 | tensai | jsmith: dangerous how? blow up my machine dangerous, or just sound real goofy dangerous |
| 16:34.16 | jsmith | tensai: It'll probably work just fine... but don't bother bringing me the broken pieces if it doesn't. |
| 16:35.31 | maquis | jsmith: :) |
| 16:36.35 | tensai | jsmith: how hard is the upgrade from 1.0 to 1.2? |
| 16:37.39 | jsmith | tensai: Not bad -- read UPGRADE.txt in the source |
| 16:44.25 | goozbach | sjansen: you around? |
| 16:44.34 | maquis | ~segfault goozbach |
| 16:44.35 | ibot | ACTION executes goozbach and -9teLdR/;+#Segmentation fault. |
| 16:44.43 | findlay | ~seen sjansen |
| 16:44.50 | ibot | sjansen is currently on #utah (18h 56m 29s). Has said a total of 24 messages. Is idling for 1h 4m 45s |
| 16:45.10 | findlay | ~lart lart-happy maquis |
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| 16:46.51 | goozbach | churrasco... yummy |
| 16:46.59 | Jayce^ | gostoso |
| 16:46.59 | maquis | mmmmm |
| 16:47.07 | maquis | ~lart findlay |
| 16:48.39 | goozbach | creme brule...Ohhhh! |
| 16:50.06 | levi | Mmmm. |
| 16:50.28 | goozbach | being able to spend $50 on lunch++ |
| 16:50.51 | xbmodder-treo | lucky. |
| 16:50.55 | xbmodder-treo | how come? |
| 16:51.08 | goozbach | being able to expense it++++ |
| 16:51.13 | xbmodder-treo | who'd you mug? ;-) |
| 16:51.31 | RyanE | save up your per diem? |
| 16:51.34 | xbmodder-treo | you teaching? |
| 16:51.51 | goozbach | yup and yup |
| 16:52.15 | xbmodder-treo | are any gurus coming to bay area next week? |
| 16:52.24 | goozbach | me |
| 16:52.31 | xbmodder-treo | mountain view? |
| 16:52.44 | goozbach | downtown san fran |
| 16:53.21 | xbmodder-treo | my friends taking a course in MV. |
| 16:53.27 | xbmodder-treo | san fran class got filled. |
| 16:53.31 | goozbach | and I wont have a car :( |
| 16:53.59 | findlay | goozbach: going the the SF symphony? |
| 16:54.24 | goozbach | i may... |
| 16:55.16 | goozbach | of course I may try to see some baseball |
| 16:56.18 | xbmodder-treo | come down to pleasanton :) |
| 16:57.16 | xbmodder-treo | tho everything closed in past couple weeks. |
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| 17:10.14 | harleypig | has anyone setup qmailadmin on a virtualhost? |
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| 17:42.00 | elg | ~lart *mcnabb |
| 17:42.24 | amcnabb | Does that mean anyone can execute me? |
| 17:42.41 | elg | anyone with access |
| 17:49.03 | spr | ~execute amcnabb |
| 17:49.06 | harleypig | /#utah/amcnabb -v |
| 17:49.15 | harleypig | Didn't do anything. |
| 17:49.21 | harleypig | /#utah/amcnabb --help |
| 17:49.25 | harleypig | Nothing. |
| 17:53.01 | maquis | ls |
| 17:53.03 | maquis | er... |
| 17:54.21 | harleypig | At least it wasn't a login screen |
| 17:55.24 | harleypig | I have a program (qmailadmin) that I want to be run as the default on a subdomain (qmailadmin.harleypigprogramming.com) instead of from a cgi-bin (www.harleypigprogramming.com/cgi-bin/qmailadmin). The qmailadmin program is a compiled executable. Anyone know how I can make that work? |
| 17:55.53 | harleypig | I've got Options +ExecCGI and tried various forms of SetHandler qmailadmin and full path to program. |
| 17:57.21 | harleypig | I guess I could try scriptalias, but I don't see why that would make a difference. |
| 17:58.17 | tensai | what about DirectoryIndex qmailadmin? |
| 17:59.10 | harleypig | Hmmm ... it tries to download the file. |
| 17:59.44 | tensai | that means apache doesn't know to treat is as a cgi |
| 18:01.53 | harleypig | ScriptAlias doesn't work either ... yeah ... but should sethandler take care of that? |
| 18:02.03 | harleypig | Or should I make a shell wrapper |
| 18:02.04 | harleypig | ? |
| 18:02.16 | tensai | I'd think so. I don't know what else I would say that you haven't already tried. |
| 18:13.40 | goozbach | ok I need help with a dilema... |
| 18:14.57 | goozbach | which dvd box set should i buy? macgyver, battlestar galactica, or fraggle rock |
| 18:15.49 | Newsome | macgyver |
| 18:17.19 | goozbach | I really shouldnt come into this section of a media store. |
| 18:18.13 | goozbach | drat! I just saw the muppet show. |
| 18:19.24 | elg | muppet show, hands down |
| 18:19.40 | harleypig | Red Green |
| 18:20.09 | goozbach | then there's faamily guy. |
| 18:20.25 | goozbach | harleypig: aleadddy got that. |
| 18:20.40 | goozbach | ohhh night rider! |
| 18:20.50 | harleypig | Airwolf! |
| 18:21.13 | harleypig | V |
| 18:21.40 | harleypig | What's Happening!! |
| 18:21.55 | harleypig | Bosom Buddies |
| 18:22.03 | goozbach | hmmm I havent heard of airwolf |
| 18:22.26 | goozbach | the dode on the cover has an eyepatch... |
| 18:22.33 | goozbach | that's cool |
| 18:22.41 | goozbach | er... dude |
| 18:23.03 | harleypig | They have an Airwolf cd collection?! |
| 18:23.38 | goozbach | sseason 1 at least |
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| 18:24.01 | goozbach | $39.99 at FYE |
| 18:24.34 | harleypig | There was only one season if I remember correctly. |
| 18:24.43 | elg | dude, you haven't heard of airwolf? |
| 18:24.45 | goozbach | ALF |
| 18:24.45 | harleypig | oh yeah, don't forget A-Team |
| 18:24.50 | elg | ~highfive harleypig |
| 18:24.56 | goozbach | got a team |
| 18:25.08 | elg | a team of fraggles? |
| 18:25.19 | harleypig | "I love it when a plan comes together." |
| 18:25.30 | roscivs-w | Any idea why I might be getting "java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: jargs/gnu/CmdLineParser" even though I specifically have jargs.jar in my classpath: java -cp jargs.jar -jar MyJar.jar ? |
| 18:25.32 | goozbach | ATHF |
| 18:25.41 | harleypig | I wonder what Jan Michael Vincent is doing nowadays. |
| 18:25.51 | elg | roscivs-w: because you're using java? |
| 18:26.05 | roscivs-w | elg: Hmmm... that seems likely ... |
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| 18:26.54 | elg | harleypig: two disparate one-season shows |
| 18:27.02 | elg | with the copter being the only constant I think |
| 18:27.23 | harleypig | roscivs: jar jar is used WAY too much in that line. |
| 18:27.23 | goozbach | DOOGIE HOWSER? |
| 18:27.35 | elg | maybe he left out a binks |
| 18:27.37 | harleypig | And JMV's bad acting. |
| 18:28.05 | roscivs-w | Maybe I should rename all my jars to .foo ... |
| 18:28.29 | harleypig | Buck Rogers in the 25th Century |
| 18:28.42 | harleypig | CHiPs |
| 18:29.01 | harleypig | Greatest American Hero |
| 18:29.11 | harleypig | You got me started! |
| 18:29.20 | harleypig | Max Headroom |
| 18:29.43 | harleypig | Dungeons & Dragons |
| 18:29.52 | harleypig | He-Man and She-Ra |
| 18:30.22 | harleypig | Speaking of which... Transformers is making a comeback ... any bets on He-Man and She-Ra? |
| 18:31.01 | goozbach | maybe |
| 18:32.03 | goozbach | looks like I'm gonna get battlestar galactica |
| 18:32.29 | goozbach | next month macgyver |
| 18:32.45 | harleypig | I asked my wife that. Then I said "probably not, She-Ra's probably gotten a little flabby from having too many babies" |
| 18:32.51 | harleypig | I almost had to sleep on the couch. |
| 18:33.45 | goozbach | all because the didn't have the second seasone of pretender |
| 18:34.19 | sjansen | I came very close to buying the first season of Alias last weekend. |
| 18:36.13 | findlay | go ahead and buy your motley seasons, I can only hope they'll release my beloved Animaniacs |
| 18:36.14 | sjansen | If they'd had the first season of 24 instead of the third, I probably wouldn't have made it out with my money. |
| 18:36.28 | JoshH | the first season of 24 is amazing |
| 18:36.52 | JoshH | i wouldnt buy it though, because after you see it once you don't ever feel like seeing it again, since all the tension is gone. |
| 18:37.09 | goozbach | findlay, amen |
| 18:37.39 | sjansen | findlay: if you hear that Animaniacs is available, hunt me down and tell me |
| 18:37.58 | sjansen | even if you have to crawl across the desert wastelands of antartica on your knees |
| 18:39.16 | findlay | ouch, talk about freezer burn |
| 18:42.23 | sjansen | ~strangle goozbach |
| 18:42.24 | ibot | ACTION strangles goozbach with a mouse cord. |
| 18:42.25 | sjansen | ~punch goozbach |
| 18:42.27 | ibot | ACTION hits goozbach like the hot kiss and the end of a wet fist |
| 18:42.29 | sjansen | ~torture goozbach |
| 18:42.34 | sjansen | ~cook goozbach |
| 18:42.36 | ibot | ACTION throws goozbach in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks goozbach on 350 for an hour |
| 18:42.40 | sjansen | ~kill goozbach |
| 18:42.41 | ibot | ACTION shoots a inverse fluxquark gun at goozbach |
| 18:42.46 | sjansen | ~eat goozbach |
| 18:42.48 | ibot | ACTION eats goozbach and falls over dead |
| 18:42.51 | sjansen | ~hit goozbach |
| 18:42.52 | ibot | ACTION slaps goozbach. |
| 18:42.57 | findlay | ~sjansen goozbach |
| 18:48.08 | elg | harleypig: I just watched some max headroom the other day |
| 18:48.11 | elg | and more to watch |
| 18:48.56 | elg | you rich single guys should consider philanthropy |
| 18:49.00 | harleypig | :> |
| 18:49.02 | elg | namely, buying mp3 players and books for fugals |
| 18:49.16 | harleypig | Don't forget about Poltergeist: The Legacy and ... ummm |
| 18:49.39 | harleypig | Dan Akroyd produced it based on the files from OSI |
| 18:50.47 | harleypig | Although those weren't in the 80s |
| 18:51.01 | harleypig | Oh oh oh ... Land of the Lost! |
| 18:51.19 | harleypig | Don't let the sleestak get you! |
| 18:52.08 | harleypig | OMG: landofthelost.com |
| 18:52.15 | harleypig | There goes the rest of my day. |
| 18:52.29 | RyanE | so why were they afraid of the sleestak? They move slow, don't carry weapons, etc. |
| 18:53.08 | harleypig | They were lizard people! |
| 18:53.16 | harleypig | I always wondered that myself. |
| 18:53.59 | harleypig | What was the one where they were lost in time, kept going to different time periods. |
| 18:54.16 | RyanE | lizard people. OK, only go out on cold days. That's probably why they were so slow... they hadn't sat on the warm rocks long enough. |
| 18:55.46 | harleypig | Oh, good heavens. LOTL FanFics. |
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| 19:20.52 | dataw0lf | Lost, now that's a current network tv show I can dig. And.... that's about it. |
| 19:22.27 | findlay | my mom watches that one |
| 19:22.41 | RyanE | as do I. |
| 19:22.51 | RyanE | Hurley is the best. |
| 19:23.44 | dataw0lf | I like Charlie. |
| 19:23.56 | dataw0lf | and Sawyer. |
| 19:24.31 | dataw0lf | Hurley isn't a very deep character. He seems to just exist for comic relief, which annoys me. |
| 19:25.46 | maquis | everyone here read the past week of userfriendly? |
| 19:26.18 | RyanE | but my favorite ep. was Numbers. I had not watched before that. And I'm not a very deep character, either. :) |
| 19:27.17 | dataw0lf | you hadn't watched before that? you did catch up didn't you? |
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| 19:31.29 | RyanE | yeah, I've caught up. |
| 19:31.42 | RyanE | that's what MythTV is good for. (and / or bittorrent) |
| 19:31.54 | dataw0lf | yar |
| 19:32.18 | dataw0lf | I dunno, Hurley is probably my least favorite character. Now that Boone is, y'know. |
| 19:32.27 | dataw0lf | or maybe Michael, don't like him much either. |
| 19:35.42 | harleypig | All right, I've got qmailadmin working now. Sort of. I'm getting a permissions error on the Maildir (which doesn't seem to exist) for the postmaster. Any pointers? |
| 19:36.58 | RyanE | yeah, didn't care for the Boonie. |
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| 19:37.40 | Lone_Wanderer | ~seen sjansen |
| 19:37.47 | ibot | sjansen is currently on #utah (21h 49m 26s). Has said a total of 35 messages. Is idling for 54m 56s |
| 19:39.50 | findlay | a pointer holds the memory address of another storage location |
| 19:47.00 | mrpull- | gahhh... Sony announced yet another memory stick format |
| 19:47.39 | findlay | ~lart sony's funhouse of formats |
| 19:48.30 | harleypig | nice one ibot |
| 19:51.01 | findlay | because ibot is endowed with a higher level of semantic parsing magic |
| 19:51.23 | findlay | ibot: what am I thinking right now? |
| 19:51.55 | findlay | ibot: fine |
| 19:51.57 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, fine is [WPI] adj. Good, but not good enough to be cuspy. The word `fine' is used elsewhere, of course, but without the implicit comparison to the higher level implied by cuspy. |
| 19:59.35 | sjansen | exit |
| 20:00.18 | findlay | sjansen::exit(RIGHT_NOW); |
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| 20:14.16 | elg | man sometimes I hate fridays |
| 20:15.08 | mrpull- | elg: what's not to like? |
| 20:15.32 | elg | it's not quite the end of the week |
| 20:15.37 | elg | friday evenings, otoh |
| 20:15.49 | graphyx | I passed the CISSP!! |
| 20:16.52 | elg | what was that |
| 20:17.50 | graphyx | Certified Information Systems Security Professional. |
| 20:17.55 | tensai | I'm not a big fan of Fridays when I go on-call since I know I won't be getting much sleep over the next week |
| 20:19.17 | mrpull- | graphyx: how did you prepare for the CISSP? |
| 20:20.54 | dataw0lf | it isn't a very hard test. |
| 20:21.44 | jsmith | tensai: I feel your pain -- I'm on call until Monday. |
| 20:22.42 | tensai | jsmith: we decided to start with the weekend so that at the end of rotation you have something to look forward to |
| 20:23.42 | jsmith | tensai: I wish we did it that way -- we trade off on Monday. :-( |
| 20:24.38 | tensai | jsmith: we also only work half days during on-call, so on friday we switch off at noon and we're done for the day |
| 20:24.48 | tensai | jsmith: I really liked when we switched to that |
| 20:25.48 | jsmith | Man, that'd be cool. |
| 20:26.09 | jsmith | Of course, we have an almost 24x7 noc now, so we only get escalations |
| 20:28.06 | Bradipo | Norton's outbound SMTP virus scanning sucks. |
| 20:28.18 | Bradipo | It blocks STARTTLS. |
| 20:28.46 | Bradipo | I imagine other anti-virus products have the same brain dead proxying support. |
| 20:29.20 | Bradipo | Just a heads up for those of you who may be seeing: 454 TLS not available due to temporary reason |
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| 20:32.07 | tensai | Bradipo: that's pretty lame, but I can't say I'm surprised |
| 20:32.19 | Bradipo | Oh, its infuriating to say the least. |
| 20:32.44 | tensai | does it interfere with port 465 as well? |
| 20:33.24 | Bradipo | That I don't know yet. |
| 20:33.27 | Bradipo | I was going to test that next. |
| 20:34.21 | Bradipo | What I'm not sure of though, is whether it is Norton, or Windows... |
| 20:34.45 | Bradipo | Maybe they somehow got some new features in the Windows firewall or Anti-Spyware beta that is trying to be smart. |
| 20:34.51 | Bradipo | Because it also happens on PCs that aren't running Norton. |
| 20:35.07 | Bradipo | But have McAfee (which I don't think has an SMTP proxy). |
| 20:35.33 | Bradipo | And it happens when I use telnet too. |
| 20:38.48 | elg | i'm not on call at all anymore. :) |
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| 21:23.31 | harleypig | i'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, but I'm not getting my email. I'm using vpopmail. if I look in /var/vpopmail/domains/domain.com/user/.maildir/new I see the incoming mail, but I can't figure out how to get it to 'user's account. I've got a .qmail file in 'user's directory that has the line .mbox and the file .mbox exists. What am I missing? |
| 21:30.37 | levi | C declaration syntax is pure evil when you tread beyond the trivial cases. |
| 21:31.34 | Tene | Anyone know what the X module 'record' does? |
| 21:31.50 | Tene | I'm having trouble asking google because it's a common word |
| 21:35.11 | mheath | http://refspecs.freestandards.org/X11/recordlib.pdf |
| 21:36.00 | mheath | Tene: learn how to google better :) |
| 21:36.20 | mheath | found a man page that mentioned "Record Library" |
| 21:36.31 | mheath | then searched for: "Record Library" X11 |
| 21:36.37 | mheath | and that was one of the few pages that came up |
| 21:36.49 | Tene | Thanks. |
| 21:37.00 | Tene | You are more skilled than I. |
| 21:37.00 | Bradipo | Hmm, that looks interesting... |
| 21:37.16 | Bradipo | Could that be used to record an X session and then replay it back and actually produce results? |
| 21:37.29 | Bradipo | i.e. Load a web page and click the refresh button over and over. :-) |
| 21:41.25 | tensai | xmacro can do that |
| 21:53.41 | mheath | I wish Mozilla Thunderbird had a icon for the tray.. |
| 21:53.57 | mheath | So I could run it and have it alert me of new messages without cluttering up my toolbar |
| 21:56.27 | mheath | MORONS |
| 21:59.20 | elg | there are file, imap, pop, etc. tray checker thingies |
| 22:00.11 | RyanE | but I think he'd like to be able to minimize the Thunderbird to the tray, so he didn't have to look at it in the taskbar. |
| 22:01.12 | elg | oh, toolbar. |
| 22:01.19 | elg | well, toolbars are kind of silly anyway |
| 22:01.26 | mheath | I hate highschool curiculum |
| 22:01.32 | mheath | I should really be able to test out of this class |
| 22:01.33 | elg | the one thing they're useful for is click-to-minimize a la XP |
| 22:01.39 | elg | well I guess that works in 2k too |
| 22:01.58 | mheath | "At the conclusion of this course, you will feel confident in your ability to use a computer and the Internet." |
| 22:02.15 | mheath | You mean I'm going to feel confident about using a computer?! WOW! |
| 22:02.54 | ScytheBlade1 | "Computer Technology"? |
| 22:02.59 | ScytheBlade1 | That the "course"? |
| 22:03.11 | mheath | Yes. |
| 22:03.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Actual question on the state test as follows: |
| 22:03.36 | ScytheBlade1 | When you turn off the computer, which of the following are erased? |
| 22:03.36 | *** join/#utah SpecialZ (n=chatzill@byu290121wks.byu.edu) |
| 22:03.38 | ScytheBlade1 | A) Hard Drive |
| 22:03.40 | ScytheBlade1 | B) RAM |
| 22:03.41 | ScytheBlade1 | C) ROM |
| 22:03.43 | ScytheBlade1 | D) Server |
| 22:03.57 | ScytheBlade1 | ...no, I'm not kidding |
| 22:04.04 | mheath | Ooh, Ohh, I know! The answer is....D! |
| 22:04.13 | mheath | My Server is erased when I turn off my computer! |
| 22:04.27 | ScytheBlade1 | A question on my "review" as follows: |
| 22:04.27 | levi | No, it's your Internet that's erased. :P |
| 22:04.36 | ScytheBlade1 | There are letters and numbers on a keyboard. T/F |
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| 22:04.51 | jsmith | levi: That's why AOL sends you another copy of the internet on CD every few weeks. |
| 22:05.05 | ScytheBlade1 | You can take it out of class, but you've gotta sign up for it early |
| 22:05.06 | SpecialZ | How do you know the internet is still there when you're not connected? |
| 22:05.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, you can test out, or take it out of class |
| 22:05.11 | jsmith | "My mommy bought me the Internet" |
| 22:05.32 | levi | "I've got the Internet on my computer!" |
| 22:05.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I took it in class, sat next to a friend, and played Starcraft the entire time :P |
| 22:05.51 | mheath | ScytheBlade1: no one ever told me I could test out |
| 22:06.04 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not openly advertised |
| 22:06.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I at least had that option, but I was too late to take it |
| 22:06.29 | mheath | I'm taking it online |
| 22:06.35 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, I'm sorry |
| 22:06.47 | mheath | Working towards an early graduation, and this is one course that I put off because it sounded so dull |
| 22:06.47 | ScytheBlade1 | (kind of, I had to suffer through it also) |
| 22:06.55 | mheath | ScytheBlade1: it won't be as bad as taking it in classx |
| 22:07.02 | mheath | I can work quickly and get the simple stuff done with |
| 22:07.02 | ScytheBlade1 | My teacher was a complete idiot, which made it a good class |
| 22:07.07 | mheath | don't have to sit in class bored everyday |
| 22:07.10 | ScytheBlade1 | she asked me how big the average hard drive was now |
| 22:07.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I answered with "twelve terabytes" |
| 22:07.28 | ScytheBlade1 | and she repeted that to the class as the average hard drive size now. |
| 22:07.46 | SpecialZ | I want one of those drives |
| 22:07.47 | levi | Tsk, shame on you, taking advantage of the naive. |
| 22:08.01 | ScytheBlade1 | That was the only thing I did to her, and it was the first quesiton she asked me |
| 22:08.08 | ScytheBlade1 | After that I just kinda shut up for the rest of the semester |
| 22:08.25 | mheath | Wow |
| 22:08.35 | mheath | I just opened up the "Class Introduction" powerpoint presentation |
| 22:08.37 | mheath | The first slide? |
| 22:08.43 | mheath | Computer Technology - Click to add text. |
| 22:08.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I also learned that there are 8 bytes in 1 bit, and that you close a webpage with <html\>. |
| 22:08.54 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, that's motivating |
| 22:09.13 | levi | mheath: The 'click to add text' doesn't appear when you actually /run/ the slideshow, does it? |
| 22:09.31 | mheath | levi: it does. |
| 22:09.38 | levi | Yow. |
| 22:10.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, our "file server" had a 12GB HD |
| 22:10.26 | ScytheBlade1 | for the first few weeks, I only saved my "class work" on it, then she put a quota on a per student basis |
| 22:10.29 | mheath | This class will teach me how to: |
| 22:10.32 | ScytheBlade1 | "100MB each" she said |
| 22:10.33 | mheath | - Boot up a computer |
| 22:10.41 | mheath | - Format a disk |
| 22:10.49 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ....she did a 100MB *per file* quota......so I kinda filled up the HD with my music from home :P |
| 22:10.52 | mheath | - Create folders |
| 22:11.00 | mheath | - Corectly identify the major components of computers |
| 22:11.07 | ScytheBlade1 | left them with a half-gig of space |
| 22:11.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't think they ever figured it out, or even noticed |
| 22:11.27 | mheath | If theres an assignment or test question that asks me how to format a disk... |
| 22:11.38 | mheath | I'm going to answer it with "Run fdisk, then mkreiserfs" |
| 22:11.38 | ScytheBlade1 | There's several. |
| 22:12.19 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not a dull class, it's a horrible class |
| 22:12.47 | ScytheBlade1 | It was only required by the state so that every student there would at least know how to run word (and hint: office is part of the required teachings) |
| 22:13.02 | ScytheBlade1 | It just fails to take into account the students who actually know what they're doing already |
| 22:13.08 | levi | Well, your school can't afford anyone who knows about technology, so that's what you're stuck with. :/ |
| 22:13.19 | mheath | I should challenge myself to complete this online course on Linux |
| 22:13.23 | mheath | your supposed to use Windows and Word |
| 22:13.33 | mheath | I should challege myself to use Linux and OpenOffice.org |
| 22:14.00 | ScytheBlade1 | levi, actually, after my 10th grade year, we got someone else to teach the webpage classes....he's a single app away from migraiting his entire lab to gentoo linux with wine |
| 22:14.33 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, they'll mark you down if your "assignments" aren't identical in every way you can use the word, to their "answers" |
| 22:14.40 | ScytheBlade1 | so if OO.org screws you on formatting... |
| 22:14.52 | ScytheBlade1 | (the .doc conversion) |
| 22:15.02 | levi | ScytheBlade1: Well, it's nice that there are people who like to teach enough to forgo jobs that actually pay. |
| 22:15.13 | ScytheBlade1 | levi, point well taken, haha |
| 22:15.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That aside, he actually does teach, and does it well |
| 22:15.26 | mheath | ScytheBlade1: I don't *HAVE* word, though |
| 22:15.31 | mheath | even on my Windows computers |
| 22:15.37 | mheath | *computer |
| 22:15.42 | Tene | Nice save. |
| 22:15.51 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, I never said that the state wasn't stupid ;) |
| 22:15.53 | levi | ScytheBlade1: Probably because he's doing it because he likes to do it. |
| 22:16.12 | ScytheBlade1 | levi, indeed |
| 22:16.50 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, I said "office"....you'll actually be creating access databases |
| 22:16.57 | ScytheBlade1 | and I'm not kidding either |
| 22:17.13 | mheath | ScytheBlade1: I use Open Office 2.0 |
| 22:17.16 | mheath | Open Office Base :) |
| 22:17.19 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 22:17.26 | ScytheBlade1 | well I wish you good luck ;) |
| 22:17.58 | mheath | NOTE: If you make a mistake on the folder name, you can right click to rename it" |
| 22:18.04 | mheath | Good thing they told me! |
| 22:18.12 | mheath | I thought I was stuck with "Etchics module" forever! |
| 22:18.22 | ScytheBlade1 | why they teach office itself as state material is beyond me, as for me at least, we were told to click "Format", "Page" or whatever |
| 22:18.29 | ScytheBlade1 | and the UI is different with every version :P |
| 22:19.52 | mheath | "Welcome to Computer Technology, the online course." |
| 22:20.19 | mheath | "I'm not going to use the areas of the website designed to house course information. Instead, I'm just going to stick endless .doc files on here." |
| 22:20.33 | mheath | "I'm too good for .html pages that you can view without opening up a word processor." |
| 22:20.49 | ScytheBlade1 | HTML isn't part of the course, word is |
| 22:21.02 | levi | Web pages are for geeks. Real people use Word docs. :P |
| 22:21.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not saying I agree with their logic here, I'm just saying what it appears to be ;) |
| 22:21.07 | mheath | ScytheBlade1: no, the teacher puts EVERYTHING in .doc files |
| 22:21.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I know |
| 22:21.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I took this course too, hah |
| 22:21.34 | mheath | I just opened up one that listed 3 basic keyboarding techniques - "Sit up straight", "Keep fingers curved", etc. |
| 22:21.43 | mheath | Oh, I see why. |
| 22:21.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I failed my "typing test" horribly, because I don't typically use the "home row" keys |
| 22:22.05 | mheath | "Please print the technique sheet and hang it by your computer to remind you of the techniques you should be working on each time you keyboard." |
| 22:22.31 | mheath | Ooh, my first quiz. |
| 22:22.51 | mheath | ScytheBlade1: oh, here we go |
| 22:23.02 | mheath | "What should you do if you feel you already know the information that is covered in one of the modules?" |
| 22:23.07 | mheath | A) Suffer through it |
| 22:23.14 | mheath | B) Try to enjoy doing the assignments |
| 22:23.30 | levi | A, of course. |
| 22:23.31 | mheath | C) Try to test out by taking the LearnKey posttest |
| 22:23.36 | mheath | D) Just skip it |
| 22:23.39 | mheath | levi: Wrong :) |
| 22:24.00 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl, is that really on the quiz? |
| 22:24.06 | mheath | Yes. |
| 22:24.08 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 22:24.30 | ScytheBlade1 | A friend of mine took it online |
| 22:24.54 | ScytheBlade1 | The questions jumped from using Word to: |
| 22:24.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Which are characteristics of cache? Choose all that apply. |
| 22:24.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Choices: |
| 22:24.55 | ScytheBlade1 | A - |
| 22:24.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Cache capacity is tied to the processor model |
| 22:24.56 | ScytheBlade1 | B - |
| 22:24.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Cache is very configurable |
| 22:25.01 | ScytheBlade1 | C - |
| 22:25.03 | ScytheBlade1 | High-speed circuitry that holds data just before the processor needs it |
| 22:25.05 | ScytheBlade1 | D - |
| 22:25.07 | ScytheBlade1 | The cache chip connects to the main processor by a dedicated high-speed bus and is often housed in the same chip carrier as the processor |
| 22:25.10 | ScytheBlade1 | doh, that didn't copy well, sorry |
| 22:25.57 | levi | Hmm. Well, I guess that could be useful information when shopping for a computer, but largely irrelevant to what the course seems to be about. |
| 22:26.12 | ScytheBlade1 | levi, that's about half the problem to the class |
| 22:26.35 | elg | the class I'm TAing for is similar |
| 22:26.44 | RyanE | so it's a "Pile of Stuff" class. "Hmm... This is Computer-Related... We need some more filler... Throw it in." |
| 22:26.55 | ScytheBlade1 | RyanE, basically |
| 22:27.21 | RyanE | Stuff, in this case rhymes with |
| 22:27.26 | RyanE | Hit |
| 22:28.45 | mheath | On to the Electronic Mail Module! |
| 22:28.56 | mheath | The objectives of which are to: |
| 22:29.00 | mheath | Set up a personal email account |
| 22:29.04 | ScytheBlade1 | You get to create an Electronic Mail Account with an Electronic Mail Provider! |
| 22:29.07 | mheath | Receive and read an email message |
| 22:29.15 | mheath | Send an email message to another person |
| 22:29.22 | mheath | Receive and open an attachment to an email message |
| 22:29.29 | mheath | Send a file as an attachment to an out-going message. |
| 22:29.38 | ScytheBlade1 | <mheath> Receive and open an attachment to an email message <-- haha, no wonder the world has issues with e-mail viruses |
| 22:29.47 | RyanE | And... Read some SPAM, Infect your own Computer, Send SPAM! |
| 22:30.20 | RyanE | and, most importantly, how to forward funny jokes and pictures of kitties to your friends. |
| 22:30.40 | ScytheBlade1 | wow |
| 22:30.46 | ScytheBlade1 | the world's issues with e-mail make sense now. |
| 22:30.52 | RyanE | oh, and Urban Legends. That's what that class really needs, a 'How to Recognize and Debunk Urban Legends'. |
| 22:31.01 | mheath | And |
| 22:31.16 | mheath | - Send your Students worthless powerpoint presentations that crash OpenOffice.org 2.0 Beta |
| 22:31.31 | ScytheBlade1 | No wonder we have all of this crap, it's taught as "what to do" in a computer basics course... |
| 22:32.11 | mheath | You know what, I bet I'll be ok without viewing the powerpoint on the basics of e-mail |
| 22:33.02 | mheath | ScytheBlade1: what do you think the teacher would say if I put a pgp signature in my "signature block" that I have to create? :P |
| 22:33.27 | RyanE | if she's asking for a signature, you should give her one. |
| 22:33.34 | ScytheBlade1 | agreed with Red_Hat |
| 22:33.38 | ScytheBlade1 | **RyanE |
| 22:33.42 | mheath | She wants %%%%%%%%%%%% |
| 22:33.42 | ScytheBlade1 | stupid tab |
| 22:33.44 | mheath | Michael Heath |
| 22:33.48 | mheath | Mike.Thomas.Heath@gmail.com |
| 22:33.50 | RyanE | Never been called Red_Hat before. |
| 22:33.57 | mheath | "Some obnoxious quote" |
| 22:34.01 | mheath | --------------------------------------------- |
| 22:35.14 | mheath | Oh, she gives me specific instructions infact |
| 22:35.43 | levi | Gah, some changes I made to my Python script broke it. :/ |
| 22:36.19 | mheath | I wonder what she'll think when the "About Me" assignment lists that I contribute code to operating system kernels, am attending college in a few months, and am presently bored out of my mind. |
| 22:37.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I lucked out, my teacher just learned to leave me alone |
| 22:37.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I had putty up fullscreen once, and she stood behind me for a minute or two watching me mess with httpd.conf |
| 22:37.34 | ScytheBlade1 | and then she just kept on walking.. |
| 22:39.00 | mheath | I love how she tries to keep it program-neutral in some areas |
| 22:39.14 | mheath | "Create a signature using the tools your e-mail client provides" |
| 22:39.16 | mheath | Then: |
| 22:39.25 | mheath | "Click on the COMPOSE icon at the left of the screen." |
| 22:39.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ding ding |
| 22:49.05 | levi | Ugh, I didn't break the script, I just made it output to the wrong file, so I was reading an old broken output. :/ |
| 22:49.18 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 22:49.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Gotta love stupid mistakes |
| 22:55.10 | elg | can you pay to fax stuff at albertsons? walgreens? kmart? |
| 22:55.48 | tensai | probably. did you call and ask? |
| 22:56.07 | elg | no |
| 22:57.07 | xbmodder | gwt |
| 22:57.07 | xbmodder | hey |
| 22:57.10 | xbmodder | sup all? |
| 22:57.17 | RyanE | you can at copy centers. |
| 22:57.26 | RyanE | i.e. Kinkos or Canyon Copy / etc. |
| 22:58.06 | xbmodder | my teacher got mad because he said that Putty was a hacking program and is used to get passed proxies -- I lost computer usage for a week *cry* |
| 22:58.46 | Goshen | lol |
| 22:58.49 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:58.52 | ScytheBlade1 | That's pretty sad |
| 22:58.54 | RyanE | well, it *can* be used to get past proxies. |
| 22:59.05 | ScytheBlade1 | This is true |
| 22:59.06 | RyanE | you should install cygwin instead... then use *real* ssh... :) |
| 22:59.15 | ScytheBlade1 | What's sad is that he lost computers for a week |
| 22:59.33 | tensai | why is my .bashrc not being read when I log in? |
| 22:59.33 | RyanE | what's sad is that it's not a 'hackers program'. |
| 23:00.03 | xbmodder | RyanE, technically it is specified as one..... |
| 23:00.13 | xbmodder | as kernel hackers use it :-P |
| 23:00.21 | RyanE | not really. |
| 23:00.33 | RyanE | kernel hackers use *real* SSH from their *real* OS... :) |
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| 23:35.52 | xbmodder | ~hello amcnabb |
| 23:37.55 | ScytheBlade1 | so, uh, xbmodder |
| 23:38.03 | ScytheBlade1 | does your name imply that you enjoy modding xboxes by chance? |
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| 23:44.05 | xbmodder | yteah |
| 23:51.42 | Goshen | xbmodder: where is the cheapest place to get an xbox? I was thinking pawn shop |
| 23:51.54 | Goshen | only need the box, to run mythtv front ends and such |
| 23:53.28 | xbmodder | Goshen, ebay |
| 23:53.35 | goozbach | ~lart emcnabb who is about to appear |
| 23:53.39 | xbmodder | or ~100 bucks for a used box. |
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| 23:53.53 | Goshen | seems like you could get them cheaper at a pawn shop[ |
| 23:53.59 | Goshen | amazing they are still that much |
| 23:54.02 | emcnabb-treo | goozbach is a dork |
| 23:54.10 | Goshen | I am hoping the price will drop when the next generation comes out |
| 23:54.12 | goozbach | ~lart emcnabb who just appeared |
| 23:55.15 | emcnabb-treo | quit taking up the whole row |
| 23:55.16 | goozbach | ~punch emcnabb |
| 23:55.21 | ibot | ACTION hits emcnabb like the hot kiss and the end of a wet fist |
| 23:55.42 | goozbach | but we can be friends |
| 23:55.42 | emcnabb-treo | you're too tall dang it |
| 23:56.16 | goozbach | ~garply emcnab |
| 23:56.18 | ScytheBlade1 | xbmodder, use XBMC? :) |
| 23:57.05 | xbmodder | gentoox |
| 23:57.20 | ScytheBlade1 | but you do have XBMC somewhere on there, right? |
| 23:57.27 | emcnabb-treo | ok, time to go... |
| 23:57.32 | emcnabb-treo | later |
| 23:57.37 | goozbach | emcnabb-treo: http://users.netradius.com/~goozbach/ |
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