| 00:18.23 | vontrapp | ack, rails helper functions aren't accessible from the controller |
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| 00:35.44 | emcnabb | does anyone here use the ip command on a regular basis/ |
| 00:35.45 | emcnabb | ? |
| 00:35.58 | maquis | there's an ip command? |
| 00:36.08 | emcnabb | yes |
| 00:36.20 | emcnabb | it's a "replacement" for ifconfig, route, arp, etc |
| 00:36.25 | maquis | cool! |
| 00:36.59 | xbmodder | i love my treo. |
| 00:37.52 | levi | New treos will run Windows. |
| 00:38.00 | xbmodder | that sucks |
| 00:38.11 | levi | Some of them will, at least... I wasn't clear on whether they all would or not. |
| 00:38.18 | xbmodder | Anyone here got a 650 and wants to buy a 700w? |
| 00:38.25 | synic | [18:30:39] * The_Vox thinks all irssi and epic users are neanthertals.... |
| 00:38.36 | maquis | wha? |
| 00:38.41 | synic | those weirdo neanthertals. |
| 00:39.40 | maquis | emcnabb: what are you trying to figure out with ip? |
| 00:39.49 | maquis | (no.. i can't help, but i'm curious) |
| 00:39.56 | emcnabb | I'm just curious about people's opinion about it |
| 00:40.17 | emcnabb | levi, from what I've read, they'll run both |
| 00:40.29 | maquis | so far, my opinion is that it's complicated and keeps complaining at me |
| 00:40.31 | elg | emcnabb: i use it all the time and love it |
| 00:40.43 | elg | i hate being stuck with ifconfig these days |
| 00:40.49 | elg | and route and netstat |
| 00:41.23 | emcnabb | elg, in your opinion, how is it really better? |
| 00:41.25 | maquis | what in the orld does it want for ADDRESS when you use ip route get ? |
| 00:41.31 | elg | ip route help |
| 00:41.34 | elg | that is why it is better |
| 00:41.35 | levi | I'm pleased to rarely have to use ifconfig, route, and netstat these days. |
| 00:41.42 | synic | what ports does rdesktop use? |
| 00:41.43 | elg | not to mention you can get to all the corners you can't get to with the old tools |
| 00:41.58 | elg | levi: you get to use C instead. ;-) |
| 00:42.23 | elg | ip route get 172.17.0.3 |
| 00:42.28 | elg | or ip route get 172.17.0.0/24 |
| 00:42.32 | levi | elg: Well, at work, yes. Outside of work, I get to use Lisp and Scheme and Smalltalk and other fun things. |
| 00:42.37 | maquis | emcnabb: looks to me like with ip, you have to actually know what you're doing |
| 00:42.47 | elg | just that, an address. I wish it would resolve dns names though |
| 00:42.54 | emcnabb | I think the ip command is very slick, but I've had a few people ask how it was really better, and I didn't have a good response |
| 00:43.08 | elg | there are a lot of things you can't do without it |
| 00:43.23 | elg | but mostly, the command-line help cinches it for me |
| 00:43.28 | maquis | elg: that's my problem... i was trying to use dns names |
| 00:43.30 | elg | it's easier, I think, to remember |
| 00:43.37 | elg | ip route help |
| 00:43.39 | emcnabb | elg, yeah, the cmdline help is nice |
| 00:43.49 | elg | than route -whateveropts |
| 00:43.59 | elg | plus it's usually less typing and has better output |
| 00:44.00 | emcnabb | the output in my opinion is harder for my brain to parse |
| 00:44.08 | elg | e.g. compare ip addr to ifconfig -a |
| 00:44.14 | elg | more concise and readable |
| 00:44.28 | emcnabb | I agree about ip addr show, but not for ip route show |
| 00:44.50 | elg | ip route is the best example, imho |
| 00:44.53 | elg | of good output |
| 00:45.02 | maquis | ip route show == ip route list |
| 00:45.07 | elg | == ip route |
| 00:45.09 | levi | I don't have ip installed on any of my unix varieties. |
| 00:45.17 | maquis | elg: right |
| 00:45.20 | elg | apt-get install iproute2 |
| 00:45.23 | emcnabb | I guess like anything, it just takes time to get used to |
| 00:46.14 | elg | i've had opportunity to do phone support using ip and the old tools, and ip is much much easier for people to read back to you |
| 00:46.29 | elg | maquis, read some or all of the lartc |
| 00:46.31 | elg | lartc.org |
| 00:48.49 | maquis | or through her networking book |
| 00:49.26 | elg | i had to shake my head today as I worked through the last vb lab of the semester for these non-CS students taking this computer-literacy course |
| 00:49.29 | emcnabb | elg, I do think adding additional ip addresses to an interface with ip is much better than create a whole bunch of virtual interfaces |
| 00:49.44 | maquis | elg: that just sounds scary |
| 00:49.50 | maquis | what's the lab? |
| 00:49.58 | elg | while the actual work is simple enough, the book was going on about "the software development cycle" (which was definitely _not_ any sort of definitive thing) |
| 00:50.23 | elg | and OOP and "remember PIE: polymorphism, Inheritance, and something else that starts with E" |
| 00:50.29 | elg | polymorphism!? |
| 00:50.41 | maquis | elg: write, release buggy code, fix bugs, release buggy code, fix bugs, release buggy code..... |
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| 00:51.25 | elg | luckily by then nobody will be reading the book anyway. :) They just show up and try to do the steps in the lab and ask for help when they get stuck |
| 00:52.07 | elg | it's funny - people that have come in in the past have only had quirk questions, but the lab is due nowish and so the people today and yesterday had more of the obviously-didn't-read-the-tutorial-chapters questions |
| 00:52.31 | maquis | :) |
| 00:52.38 | elg | to be fair, most of them probably thought they knew word well enough to breeze through these assignments |
| 00:52.59 | maquis | word? |
| 00:53.13 | graphyx | Good evening. |
| 00:53.32 | maquis | evening graphyx |
| 00:54.23 | xbmodder | evening graphyx *tips hat* |
| 01:00.08 | graphyx | So whats the word? |
| 01:00.49 | elg | paperclip |
| 01:02.04 | graphyx | Why is that the word? |
| 01:02.14 | emcnabb | clippy? |
| 01:02.53 | graphyx | ahh!!! |
| 01:02.58 | graphyx | ~bart emcnabb |
| 01:03.00 | ibot | ACTION forces emcnabb to eat her shorts |
| 01:03.15 | xbmodder | lol |
| 01:03.22 | xbmodder | ~lart bart |
| 01:03.54 | maquis | ~rlart |
| 01:05.24 | elg | not clippy, you perverts |
| 01:05.35 | graphyx | Not my gumdrop buttons!! |
| 01:05.57 | elg | paperclip is always the word |
| 01:06.09 | xbmodder | anyone here really bored and can code C++ and has a Treo? |
| 01:08.21 | emcnabb | elg, we know deep inside you love clippy |
| 01:08.21 | emcnabb | xbmodder, don't you fall into that category? |
| 01:08.56 | xbmodder | emcnabb, C |
| 01:09.03 | xbmodder | and I can't code for palm |
| 01:09.05 | xbmodder | and busy i am |
| 01:09.11 | graphyx | yoda you are not! |
| 01:10.42 | emcnabb | xbmodder, you could learn C++ |
| 01:10.55 | xbmodder | and is smart.... |
| 01:11.16 | xbmodder | I want to pay someone to write a voip phone (push to talk) for the treo |
| 01:11.24 | xbmodder | maybe 100 bucks... |
| 01:11.41 | emcnabb | you're joking right? |
| 01:11.42 | maquis | 100$/hour? |
| 01:11.44 | emcnabb | $100? |
| 01:11.50 | xbmodder | or pay someone 25 bucks for a app that streams music from a specialized server |
| 01:12.04 | xbmodder | $100 bucks is what I am willing to put into the pot. |
| 01:12.21 | emcnabb | you better find a lot more to put in the pot |
| 01:12.41 | graphyx | xbmodder: Isn't there a website where you can pledge a certain amount for a software product and if the total amount isn't achieved that everyone gets their money back? |
| 01:12.49 | graphyx | I can't recall what one, but I think there was one. |
| 01:12.54 | xbmodder | graphyx, i don't trust those |
| 01:12.58 | xbmodder | graphyx, i know of them. |
| 01:13.08 | graphyx | Would you trust someone on here more than that website? |
| 01:13.13 | xbmodder | emcnabb, it'd have to work of the sources of soundrec |
| 01:13.34 | xbmodder | graphyx, emcnabb, maquis, sjansen, and levi would be good canidates.... |
| 01:13.43 | elg | ok, way cool music software alert: http://dis-dot-dat.net/index.cgi?item=code/slat/ |
| 01:13.53 | elg | emcnabb: you'll like this one |
| 01:14.09 | graphyx | I know I trust them since I have met half of them IRL |
| 01:14.19 | graphyx | maquis and levi I haven't. |
| 01:14.47 | xbmodder | maquis, saying that i trust you.. not that I would hire you as a coder -- as i've never heard code from you... ;-) |
| 01:15.10 | maquis | ah... |
| 01:15.12 | xbmodder | emcnabb, how much do you think of that app? |
| 01:15.13 | xbmodder | 3k? |
| 01:15.43 | maquis | elg: i can't get it to work... |
| 01:16.09 | elg | you'll need X and imlib development libs |
| 01:16.15 | elg | and you have to make install to run it |
| 01:16.27 | elg | (something about images. I'm reporting the bug - it should at least die gracefully. :) |
| 01:16.38 | elg | in debian, I had to install imlib11-dev |
| 01:16.53 | elg | don't know about the X stuff since it must have already been installed on my box. |
| 01:16.59 | maquis | mmk |
| 01:17.23 | emcnabb | xbmodder, http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/voip/voip-for-treo.asp |
| 01:17.39 | elg | oh, and it uses jack |
| 01:17.56 | elg | so that might put it above your threshold if you're not into making cool sounds like a theremin. :) |
| 01:18.30 | xbmodder | emcnabb, I saw that. I doubt it'll take off.... |
| 01:18.40 | xbmodder | and lag is .5-3 seconds on a treo |
| 01:19.09 | elg | and you want to pay someone 100 to develop a voip app on a device with latency like that? |
| 01:19.32 | xbmodder | push to talk if you heard :) |
| 01:19.33 | mheath | Wow |
| 01:19.36 | emcnabb | xbmodder, how then will your new app improve that latency? |
| 01:19.45 | mheath | I might be attending USU as early as January, if a couple things work out. |
| 01:20.04 | xbmodder | emcnabb, because if its push to talk it won't be that bad.... and I have a couple other ideas.... |
| 01:20.29 | mheath | Is anyone here who is familiar with college applications willing to answer some questions? |
| 01:20.34 | xbmodder | its like sending voicemails at the speed of light |
| 01:20.38 | maquis | mheath: depends on the question |
| 01:20.39 | maquis | s |
| 01:20.47 | mheath | Well |
| 01:20.48 | graphyx | mheath: I bet most wouldn't mind helping out. |
| 01:20.49 | emcnabb | light is pretty fast... |
| 01:20.54 | xbmodder | emcnabb, exactly! |
| 01:21.06 | emcnabb | rofl |
| 01:21.07 | elg | except voicemail already travels at the speed of light |
| 01:21.09 | mheath | If I want to try making it in by the Spring semester (I'm graduating halfway through this highschool year), the application deadline in November 1st. |
| 01:21.12 | emcnabb | time to get back to work |
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| 01:21.20 | maquis | mheath: mmk |
| 01:21.26 | mheath | But I can't take the ACT until October 22nd. |
| 01:21.36 | maquis | mheath: ick |
| 01:21.51 | mheath | I can easily have the *application* in by November 1st; will colleges accept getting your ACT scores a couple weeks after that? |
| 01:21.51 | maquis | it takes quite a while for the ACT results to get through, in my experience |
| 01:21.58 | xbmodder | are there any palm emulators for linux? |
| 01:21.59 | mheath | maquis: they say 4-7 weeks.. |
| 01:22.03 | elg | pose |
| 01:22.10 | maquis | mheath: my experience is "usually not", but it's worth asking the admissions committee |
| 01:22.28 | mheath | maquis: well, I just sent an e-mail to one of their admissions representatives asking him such questions. |
| 01:23.25 | xbmodder | or her.... |
| 01:23.27 | mheath | meh, I'm not sure about this |
| 01:23.31 | mheath | I might aim for summer semester |
| 01:23.49 | mheath | I'm not sure I want to be starting college the day after I graduate from highschool (which is what I'd literally be doing) |
| 01:24.06 | maquis | mheath: if all else fails, you can spend the spring-term working, which would probably be a better option |
| 01:24.14 | maquis | or just take the spring-term off if you can |
| 01:24.22 | xbmodder | come to stanford... |
| 01:25.24 | mheath | xbmodder: I'm fine as far away from you as possible, thanks. |
| 01:25.31 | mheath | maquis: I thought about coming out to BYU with you lot |
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| 01:25.40 | emcnabb | mheath, you two could be roommates |
| 01:25.56 | xbmodder | emcnabb, no.... |
| 01:25.59 | emcnabb | I'm sure you would become better friends |
| 01:26.03 | xbmodder | mheath, you remind me so much of micheal harte.... |
| 01:26.03 | mheath | emcnabb: not likely! I'm potentially starting college in 3 months, and he's...what...13? :P |
| 01:26.28 | xbmodder | ~!14.8337 |
| 01:26.30 | xbmodder | ~14.8337 |
| 01:26.57 | emcnabb | xbmodder, you have an extra bedroom in the house mheath could stay in? |
| 01:27.18 | xbmodder | two :) |
| 01:27.19 | mheath | xbmodder: do you have vast sums of money to bribe the stanford admissions committe? |
| 01:27.29 | emcnabb | yes, he has google stock |
| 01:27.32 | emcnabb | $$$$$ |
| 01:28.01 | xbmodder | emcnabb, long story I gained 700 bucks and stupid etrade didn't sell my order for 3 hours.. :( |
| 01:28.08 | mheath | Argh |
| 01:28.18 | xbmodder | Argh? |
| 01:28.33 | xbmodder | my friends dad knows quite a bit of professors at stanford tho... |
| 01:28.40 | xbmodder | and my sister used to go to berkeley. |
| 01:28.51 | mheath | The teacher explained about instantaneous speed in a really clear way |
| 01:28.55 | mheath | I understood it perfectly |
| 01:29.05 | levi | That's good. |
| 01:29.06 | xbmodder | isn't that impossible? |
| 01:29.16 | xbmodder | :( |
| 01:29.18 | mheath | but I kinda forgot a bit, so I was reviewing for the test |
| 01:29.23 | xbmodder | oh.. |
| 01:29.25 | mheath | and the book explains it in a completely different way |
| 01:29.41 | mheath | And now I'm all confused, and not really understand the way the book explains it :( |
| 01:29.47 | mheath | xbmodder: isn't what impossible? |
| 01:29.50 | levi | mheath: There are lots of different ways to think about it. |
| 01:30.33 | elg | so tell us the way you think of it, and what you're fuzzy on |
| 01:30.36 | elg | and we'll pontificate |
| 01:30.40 | mheath | well, she just gave the equation "(f(a+h)^2 - f(a)^2) / h" |
| 01:30.57 | mheath | And I forgot exactly what you did, but you put parts of the equation in there |
| 01:31.14 | mheath | replaced the a's at least |
| 01:31.34 | mheath | then you just simplified as much as you could, dropped the remaining h, and there you were. |
| 01:31.50 | levi | Did you get an explanation of why you do that? |
| 01:31.59 | mheath | Not really |
| 01:32.24 | levi | Well, I think it's a lot clearer once it's explained, and you'll be able to derive it yourself. |
| 01:32.26 | maquis | and yet it was a really clear explanation of instantaneous speed? |
| 01:32.40 | mheath | levi: say for the equation y=16t^2, what would my "(f(a+h)^2 - f(a)^2) / h" equation be before I reduce it? |
| 01:32.43 | mheath | levi: oh, I understand it |
| 01:32.46 | xbmodder | how come all my guy teachers are so simple |
| 01:32.51 | mheath | the book explains it |
| 01:32.56 | xbmodder | and my teachers who are female make everything so complex |
| 01:33.07 | mheath | The book explains the *concept* of that formula, I'm just confused about how to actually use it now |
| 01:33.22 | mheath | er |
| 01:33.29 | mheath | y=16X^2 |
| 01:33.44 | emcnabb | xbmodder, maybe you're concentrating on your female teachers instead of what they're saying |
| 01:33.49 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 01:33.59 | xbmodder | emcnabb, gross..... |
| 01:34.02 | xbmodder | emcnabb, so gross. |
| 01:34.25 | xbmodder | http://www.pleasanton.k12.ca.us/amador/faculty/career/images/kratz.jpg |
| 01:34.31 | xbmodder | http://www.pleasanton.k12.ca.us/amador/faculty/career/kratz.html |
| 01:34.34 | xbmodder | thats one |
| 01:34.36 | xbmodder | she is ok... |
| 01:34.40 | xbmodder | really boring |
| 01:34.43 | xbmodder | and all artsy |
| 01:34.53 | levi | mheath: So, you're clear that the formula is for average velocity, and h is the size of the segment? And the trick to getting instantaneous velocity is to take the limit as h -> 0? |
| 01:34.59 | xbmodder | http://www.pleasanton.k12.ca.us/amador/faculty/english/mjohnson.html < I want to hurt... |
| 01:35.02 | mheath | OOOH! |
| 01:35.04 | mheath | I just remembered! |
| 01:35.23 | mheath | You have your formula |
| 01:35.28 | mheath | y = 16X^2 |
| 01:35.34 | levi | So you have to manipulate it so you aren't dividing by zero anymore. |
| 01:35.55 | mheath | And say I want to find the instantaneous speed where X = 2 ] |
| 01:36.36 | mheath | 16(2+h)^2 - 16(2)^2 / h |
| 01:36.55 | levi | Hmm, not quite. |
| 01:37.16 | mheath | levi: O.o Thats exactly what my book does in an example |
| 01:37.27 | mheath | I was just stepping through it |
| 01:37.46 | levi | Okay, well, I'm not sure where they're going then, but go on with the steps. |
| 01:38.18 | mheath | You have your formula f(a+h)^2 - 16(2)^2 / h |
| 01:38.20 | mheath | er |
| 01:38.29 | mheath | You have your formula f(a+h)^2 - f(a)^2 / h |
| 01:38.35 | xbmodder | I see emcnabb has turned to stone... |
| 01:38.45 | emcnabb | ? |
| 01:38.54 | xbmodder | from looking at the teachers. |
| 01:39.17 | mheath | You take and replace all your X^2's with (a+h)^2 where a is the x value that you want to find the instantenous speed at |
| 01:39.48 | mheath | Then, from that, you subtract your formula with your x^2 replaced with (a)^2 |
| 01:40.20 | mheath | I'm horrible at explaining this, I'm sure, but the point is I GET IT! |
| 01:40.21 | mheath | :) |
| 01:40.31 | levi | Well, that's good! |
| 01:41.15 | levi | Note that the general formula, however, is lim x->0 (f(x+h) - f(x))/h |
| 01:41.24 | maquis | mheath: wouldn't it be 16(2+h)^4? since it's f(x)^2, and f(x) = 16x^2? |
| 01:41.28 | maquis | oh... |
| 01:41.29 | maquis | nm |
| 01:41.40 | mheath | you replace the "x^2", maquis, not the "x" |
| 01:42.09 | mheath | One other type of question, though, thats going to be on the test.... |
| 01:42.35 | mheath | well, a couple questions |
| 01:42.41 | mheath | I'm kinda confused about End Behavior Models |
| 01:43.29 | mheath | Could someone help explain the? |
| 01:43.32 | mheath | *them |
| 01:44.03 | mheath | oh, nevermind |
| 01:44.07 | maquis | :) |
| 01:44.45 | mheath | its just saying that f(x) and g(x) are similar on a large scale |
| 01:45.13 | mheath | in that the lim x -> +- infinity for f(x)/g(x) = 1 |
| 01:45.44 | maquis | mheath: oh... i don't recall that name for it... but yeah... that makes sense |
| 01:45.55 | mheath | Things are similar on the large scale on the RIGHT when x-> +infinity f(x)/g(x) = 1 |
| 01:46.22 | mheath | and similar on the large scale on the LEFT when lim x-> -infinity f(x)/g(x) = 1 |
| 01:47.01 | levi | Yup, that sounds right. |
| 01:47.50 | mheath | I love this |
| 01:47.56 | mheath | I sometimes have problems with math |
| 01:48.09 | maquis | mheath: isn't it great to get it, though? |
| 01:48.12 | mheath | but if I have it explained to me in the right way, or I read just the right example, then it just clicks |
| 01:48.16 | mheath | and makes perfect sense |
| 01:48.19 | mheath | maquis: Yes! |
| 01:48.32 | mheath | and I hit myself on the head for not getting it before |
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| 01:51.07 | levi | mheath: Fortunately, from now on you'll mostly just use the rules of thumb for taking derivatives. |
| 02:01.44 | mheath | It's weird considering that I might be going to college in just over 3 months. |
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| 02:17.40 | graphyx | collisions? |
| 02:17.45 | graphyx | arp spoofing? |
| 02:18.30 | graphyx | people running ettercap? |
| 02:18.30 | maquis | graphyx: not really... it's kinda confusing |
| 02:18.31 | maquis | here's the symptoms |
| 02:18.31 | maquis | my router stops getting a connection (i can still get ot my router with no problems)... |
| 02:18.57 | graphyx | Is this resnet you are on? |
| 02:19.04 | maquis | nothing really works from my router (although, i was getting pings and ssh for a bit after port 80 turned off) |
| 02:19.43 | maquis | so, now, i can use a different router, and from there, i can get ssh and pings (from some places), but i can't get port 80 or gaim |
| 02:19.55 | maquis | graphyx: ??? |
| 02:19.58 | maquis | i have comcast |
| 02:20.16 | graphyx | I thought you might have been in the dorms or the on campus apartments.. |
| 02:21.21 | graphyx | I'll assume you have already rebooted the router. |
| 02:21.34 | maquis | about to try that again |
| 02:21.56 | maquis | i just don't understand how i can get *some* things working correctly, and not others |
| 02:22.13 | graphyx | reboot the modem as well... |
| 02:27.58 | maquis | back up |
| 02:31.30 | graphyx | things working ok this time? |
| 02:31.38 | graphyx | try tcptraceroute if you get an port 80 problems. |
| 02:31.46 | graphyx | That will help you figure out what link is causing the problem. |
| 02:32.10 | graphyx | nite all. |
| 02:49.56 | xbmodder | maquis, hey |
| 02:50.14 | xbmodder | maquis, you here? |
| 02:50.26 | xbmodder | maquis, did you try testing your comp directly to the modem |
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| 03:04.51 | tensai | ~squish maquis |
| 03:04.54 | ibot | ACTION squishes maquis like a bug |
| 03:05.03 | maquis | hi.. |
| 03:05.05 | maquis | .i'm back |
| 03:05.31 | maquis | i think i'm going to just stick with one of the wireless networks that's on qwest until comcast stops breaking things |
| 03:05.46 | maquis | speaking of which... this router gives an awful lot of information... |
| 03:05.48 | tensai | any idea whose it is? |
| 03:05.52 | maquis | and never asked me for a password |
| 03:06.00 | xbmodder | lol |
| 03:06.02 | maquis | tensai: well... i've got the qwest username and email address |
| 03:06.03 | xbmodder | maquis, did you try testing your comp directly to the modem? |
| 03:06.22 | maquis | xbmodder: not really... but the router isn't getting anything... |
| 03:06.29 | maquis | i've rebooted the modem and the router... |
| 03:06.52 | tensai | maquis: I think it's time to lock the router down to your MAC address and set a password |
| 03:07.29 | maquis | hmmm |
| 03:07.41 | maquis | this router even has a "non-windows setup" option |
| 03:07.50 | tensai | actiontec? |
| 03:07.54 | maquis | yeah |
| 03:08.11 | maquis | the funny thing is that it *never* bothers to even ask for a password |
| 03:08.13 | tensai | pieces of junk, but at least they're cross platform |
| 03:08.26 | maquis | most at least ask, and then tell you what the default password is... |
| 03:08.30 | tensai | that means the owner never set a password. default behavior |
| 03:54.15 | levi | Hmm, I have to write a response paper to the Microsoft Visual C++ project manager's presentation that we heard in class last time. |
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| 04:49.55 | maquis | ~bart jakea |
| 04:49.57 | ibot | ACTION forces jakea to eat her shorts |
| 04:50.05 | maquis | ~rlart |
| 04:50.40 | jakea | such violence |
| 04:51.22 | levi | So, I've now done three programming assignments in D, and I'm wondering if I should continue or do the rest in Java or C++. |
| 04:51.39 | tensai | fortran, fortran, fortran |
| 04:51.56 | levi | tensai: Where'd fortran come from?! |
| 04:52.11 | xbmodder | ruby |
| 04:52.13 | xbmodder | COBOL! |
| 04:52.23 | maquis | assembly |
| 04:52.28 | levi | I have to use a statically-typed OO language. |
| 04:52.35 | levi | It's a design patterns class. |
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| 04:52.44 | maquis | hmmm |
| 04:52.50 | maquis | is vb statically typed? |
| 04:52.56 | maquis | i've heard that people claim it's oo |
| 04:53.01 | tensai | maquis: sicko |
| 04:53.01 | levi | I don't know, but I'm not using it. |
| 04:53.18 | tensai | last I checked vb is weakly typed |
| 04:53.39 | maquis | 8-Z |
| 04:53.48 | levi | tensai: Weak static typing? |
| 04:53.55 | levi | tensai: Or weak dynamic typing? |
| 04:54.01 | tensai | weak dynamic |
| 04:54.08 | levi | Yuck. |
| 04:55.00 | levi | Well, I guess weak dynamic isn't as bad as weak static. |
| 04:55.07 | tensai | just one of a bazillion things wrong with it |
| 04:56.01 | levi | Anyway, I suppose I could use Ada, Modula-2, Oberon, or OCaml. |
| 04:56.06 | tensai | levi: why not write it using all 3 and spend a few hours getting them all to work together |
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| 04:57.52 | levi | tensai: Well, I've got two reasons for considering dropping D. One, it's very poorly documented, so it takes me forever to figure out how to do things like get a stream to stdout, and Two, the i/o streams appear to be slightly buggy. |
| 04:58.08 | tensai | levi: where did you get a D compiler? |
| 04:59.11 | levi | tensai: From the Digital Mars page. |
| 04:59.37 | levi | tensai: I'm using a gcc frontend, though, which I suppose might cause some of my issues. |
| 04:59.53 | tensai | if it were me I'd probably choose C++ unless it involved a gui in which case I'd go with Java |
| 05:00.13 | tensai | I actually like both |
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| 05:03.58 | levi | D is a lot like a simpler C++. The C++ examples in class always seem to have excess complexity. |
| 05:04.52 | tensai | stl gets to be a huge mess when debugging. I definitely prefer java's containers. |
| 05:05.52 | tensai | I haven't tried the new templates in 1.5. That's a much needed feature. |
| 05:09.14 | tensai | I'm surprised by how many of my coworkers don't know how to use gdb (0) |
| 05:10.01 | maquis | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/45326/ShowPost.aspx |
| 05:10.18 | levi | D has got templates. They differ somewhat from C++'s, and I'm not sure how they compare with Java generics. I know they don't use type erasure like Java's generics do, though. |
| 05:12.50 | tensai | type erasure? |
| 05:17.30 | levi | In c++, a template generates new type-safe code for each type it's used with. In Java, the type just gets erased when it's put through the generic code. |
| 05:19.14 | levi | http://www.safalra.com/programming/java/wrongerasure/ |
| 05:20.00 | tensai | ok, that's what I thought you meant. never heard that term before. in 1.5 java has graduated to proper templates that are type specific. |
| 05:21.15 | levi | No, in 1.5 java implemented generics that use type erasure. |
| 05:21.33 | levi | And they're broken, because they didn't want to change the vm to support them. |
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| 05:21.44 | tensai | hmm. ok. not what I thought then |
| 05:29.51 | maquis | java sucks |
| 05:32.06 | maquis | question for people |
| 05:32.22 | TheDiff | i am people |
| 05:32.27 | maquis | i'm trying to use the openssl bignum library for C |
| 05:32.31 | maquis | to do a project |
| 05:32.55 | maquis | and i'm using the code that my class was given which is here: http://students.cs.byu.edu/~cs465ta/labs/dh_bignum.htm |
| 05:33.18 | maquis | and i'm trying to figure out how to get the 512-bit number.... |
| 05:33.21 | findlay | what's "C"? |
| 05:33.31 | maquis | since i'm assuming it's not returning it in that int |
| 05:33.33 | maquis | :) |
| 05:33.40 | maquis | ~lart findlay |
| 05:34.07 | findlay | maybe it stands for Cabal |
| 05:34.15 | maquis | ~strike findlay |
| 05:34.30 | maquis | oh... |
| 05:34.32 | maquis | it was sminte |
| 05:34.34 | maquis | er |
| 05:34.34 | maquis | smite |
| 05:34.37 | maquis | ~smite findlay |
| 05:34.39 | ibot | ACTION wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves findlay from crown to sole. |
| 05:36.04 | maquis | TheDiff: any ideas? |
| 05:36.15 | TheDiff | umm i'm looking at it now |
| 05:36.21 | maquis | cool |
| 05:36.26 | maquis | thanks! :) |
| 05:37.57 | findlay | maquis: are you looking for somebody to solve all of your problems? |
| 05:38.08 | maquis | findlay: no... i'm just really puzzled by this |
| 05:38.30 | maquis | because i can't see how in the world i'm supposed to use this function |
| 05:38.33 | tensai | I assume the number is stored as a BIGNUM |
| 05:38.39 | maquis | tensai: yes... it is |
| 05:39.13 | maquis | my favorite line of code that the teacer gave us: |
| 05:39.19 | maquis | if(BN_is_bit_set(prime_mod, 10)) { printf("Toast is yummy."); } |
| 05:40.03 | tensai | what exactly do you want to do with this 512 bit number? |
| 05:41.03 | maquis | tensai: we're implementing diffie-hellman key exchange |
| 05:43.15 | levi | bignums are a pain in C. |
| 05:44.19 | tensai | did you look at the bignum docs? |
| 05:44.27 | tensai | http://www.openssl.org/docs/crypto/bn.html |
| 05:44.54 | maquis | i looked at the manpage a bit, but i'm not seeing how anything there helps me |
| 05:44.58 | tensai | I'm still not sure what you want to do with your 512 bit number |
| 05:45.19 | maquis | tensai: i want to be able to use it in the function that calls this one |
| 05:45.46 | tensai | so return the BIGNUM * |
| 05:46.18 | maquis | tensai: i guess that's what i'm supposed to do... i got the impression, though, that we were supposed to use this function as-is... which had me rather confused |
| 05:46.46 | tensai | I don't think the code on that page is supposed to be reused. just to give you ideas. |
| 05:49.23 | maquis | hmmm |
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| 07:09.40 | SpecialZ | If you were around for the discussion yesterday, I found Kernel Panic |
| 07:09.42 | SpecialZ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/kernelpanic/sets/283374/ |
| 07:36.59 | levi | maquis: You still awake? |
| 07:38.04 | levi | maquis: You should feel good about your progress with Scheme. I've been trying to get this guy on #scheme to figure out how to write reverse for about an hour! |
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| 11:22.39 | MrGrey | hi, is there anyone out there who has worked with Java and Asterisk? |
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| 13:21.29 | graphyx | Morning. |
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| 13:25.09 | graphyx | Hey someone over in the #security channel was doing encryption stuff like this: |
| 13:25.25 | graphyx | echo "stuff" | openssl base64 | rot13 |
| 13:25.51 | graphyx | How do you access piped data into a function say in perl.. |
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| 14:08.10 | sjansen | http://err.no/personal/blog/tech/2005-09-28-09-00_gentoo_in_minefield.html |
| 14:12.11 | sjansen | graphyx: I'm not sure I understand the question. |
| 14:12.22 | sjansen | The answer might be, just read from stdin. |
| 14:12.55 | sjansen | The answer might also be open("|date"). |
| 14:16.04 | graphyx | So I guess my question is.. |
| 14:16.12 | graphyx | in perl how you just pull from stdin. |
| 14:16.47 | levi_ | Did everyone see the ICFP 2005 results? |
| 14:17.06 | graphyx | levi_: What are those? |
| 14:17.36 | graphyx | so does that mean that gentoo is a type of penguin? |
| 14:17.40 | levi_ | International Contest for Functional Programming: http://icfpc.plt-scheme.org/ |
| 14:17.46 | levi_ | graphyx: That's correct. |
| 14:17.54 | graphyx | huh.. didn't know that. |
| 14:17.56 | graphyx | makes sense though. |
| 14:18.49 | graphyx | so I guess if windows were open source you would have branches along the lines of "double hung", "sliders", or "double paned" |
| 14:18.58 | graphyx | But I guess most of us already think windows is double pained. |
| 14:20.40 | graphyx | ah come on.. that was a great pun! show some appreciation... |
| 14:21.48 | levi_ | yuk yuk yuk. :) |
| 14:21.59 | graphyx | ~bart levi_ |
| 14:22.01 | ibot | ACTION forces levi_ to eat her shorts |
| 14:24.01 | sjansen | ~muzzle graphyx |
| 14:24.12 | sjansen | ~penaltybox graphyx |
| 14:24.35 | graphyx | ~groaner |
| 14:24.38 | levi_ | So, Haskell and Dylan rocked the ICFP this year. |
| 14:24.55 | sjansen | graphyx: stdin should already be available for reading, beyond that you'll have to rtpm |
| 14:26.21 | xbmodder | this sucks.. |
| 14:26.29 | graphyx | how do you make ibot reply with the persons name in it? |
| 14:26.36 | graphyx | like ~bart <x> |
| 14:27.36 | xbmodder | $who |
| 14:27.48 | graphyx | ibot, groaner is <action> puts on a Comedysportz ref shifts, blows a load whistle, places a paper bag over $who and says, "Groaner foul. Now remember kids, the first one is paper the second is plastic." |
| 14:27.49 | ibot | graphyx: okay |
| 14:27.54 | graphyx | ~groaner xbmodder |
| 14:28.18 | graphyx | hmm.. what have I done wrong? |
| 14:28.20 | xbmodder | btw: I bought AlexIsLoved.com (Its a site to somehow make money for my friend alex so she can come to california over the summer (she moved to hawaii a while ago)) |
| 14:28.32 | xbmodder | ~add bart |
| 14:28.40 | xbmodder | ~alias groaner lart 1 |
| 14:28.45 | xbmodder | :-/ |
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| 14:31.02 | graphyx | ~define groaner |
| 14:32.29 | levi_ | Interesting article on using Erlang to write a massively multiplayer game: http://wagerlabs.com/w/PowerStrip |
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| 14:43.44 | graphyx | what does that do |
| 14:43.45 | graphyx | ? |
| 14:44.07 | tensai | just what you'd guess. adds a blackhole entry to the routing table. packets go in but don't come out. |
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| 14:44.42 | graphyx | so essentially that makes any packet headed to that class c just get dropped? |
| 14:44.56 | tensai | not just essentially, exactly |
| 14:45.30 | Jayce^ | ahh |
| 14:45.40 | graphyx | I can't whois that address. |
| 14:45.41 | Jayce^ | good luck with plug then :) |
| 14:46.00 | tensai | oh no! I might miss the next meeting! |
| 14:46.07 | tensai | :} |
| 14:46.16 | Jayce^ | ~slap tensai |
| 14:46.17 | ibot | ACTION slaps tensai, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 14:47.04 | tensai | I need to be able to block ssh worms but the box in question doesn't have iptables |
| 14:47.18 | tensai | ~lart people who build a server kernel without iptables |
| 14:47.42 | graphyx | Hmm.. that one seems a bit redundant. |
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| 14:54.35 | maquis|laptop | gah! |
| 14:54.59 | maquis|laptop | Newsome: what's going on with irssi on basilisk? |
| 14:55.15 | maquis|laptop | it won't let me connect |
| 14:55.36 | maquis|laptop | although... |
| 14:55.41 | maquis|laptop | it claims that i'm connected... |
| 14:55.50 | maquis|laptop | which is also somewhat confusing |
| 14:55.51 | tensai | ~seen Maquis |
| 14:55.54 | ibot | maquis is currently on #utah (19m 44s) |
| 14:56.05 | tensai | maquis|laptop: see, you are connected |
| 14:56.23 | maquis|laptop | tensai: that's interesting |
| 14:56.28 | maquis|laptop | because i'm really not... |
| 14:56.36 | maquis|laptop | and it claims i'm connected from basilisk |
| 14:56.54 | tensai | well, Maquis is on from monsters |
| 14:56.56 | maquis|laptop | but that can't be right because basilisk won't connect |
| 14:57.05 | tensai | netstat -tn |grep 6667 |
| 14:57.18 | maquis|laptop | tensai: yeah... basilisk is one of the computers that is in monsters |
| 14:57.24 | maquis|laptop | tensai: run that on basilisk? |
| 14:57.27 | tensai | yup |
| 14:57.42 | maquis|laptop | doesn't return anything |
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| 14:57.59 | tensai | you're not connected then |
| 14:58.10 | maquis|laptop | that's what i said |
| 14:59.11 | tensai | get nickserv to kill it |
| 14:59.44 | maquis|laptop | hey... |
| 14:59.50 | maquis|laptop | now it's letting me on, hopefully |
| 15:00.08 | maquis|laptop | with major lag |
| 15:00.32 | maquis|laptop | or maybe it won't actually let me on |
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| 15:03.50 | maquis|laptop | ~smite Newsome |
| 15:03.51 | ibot | ACTION wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves Newsome from crown to sole. |
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| 15:11.08 | Newsome | maquis|laptop: I think it's a problem with someone in one of the research labs, but I'm still trying to track down which computer. |
| 15:11.23 | Newsome | ~lart graphicslab |
| 15:19.00 | maquis|laptop | Newsome: they're knocking out irc across the department? |
| 15:19.09 | maquis|laptop | that's not very nice of them |
| 15:23.03 | maquis|laptop | ~unblame Newsome |
| 15:23.25 | sjansen | ~ridicule graphyx |
| 15:23.27 | maquis|laptop | ~blame graphics lab |
| 15:23.29 | ibot | ACTION blames graphics lab for the end of the Internet as we know it |
| 15:23.37 | maquis|laptop | ~mock sjansen |
| 15:23.39 | ibot | ACTION pulls sjansen's pants down and shows the world sjansen's pink spotted underwear |
| 15:24.21 | sjansen | ~ridicule graphyx |
| 15:24.22 | ibot | ACTION drops graphyx in a tank of pink paint and herring |
| 15:24.32 | sjansen | ~spell herring |
| 15:25.03 | maquis|laptop | ~dict herring |
| 15:25.05 | maquis|laptop | :) |
| 15:25.13 | maquis|laptop | mmmmm |
| 15:27.06 | sjansen | ~steal maquis' salmon |
| 15:27.33 | sjansen | ~steal maquis' salmon |
| 15:27.34 | ibot | ACTION grabs maquis' salmon and gives it to sjansen |
| 15:28.03 | maquis|laptop | ~beat sjansen |
| 15:28.04 | ibot | ACTION beats sjansen with a large stick. |
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| 15:34.25 | harleypig | Anyone an expert with patch? |
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| 15:35.38 | sjansen | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2004/10/extension_quiz_results.php |
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| 15:36.50 | harleypig | :D |
| 15:39.26 | sjansen | harleypig: What's your patch problem? It's not like patch is an extremely complicated program. |
| 15:40.04 | harleypig | sjansen: It's not. I'm able to apply a patch on my system just fine. The developer I sent a patch too is getting the following error: |
| 15:40.18 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.19 | harleypig | Hunk #1 FAILED at 190. |
| 15:40.19 | harleypig | 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file eBay.pm.rej |
| 15:40.44 | harleypig | he says it's the same version as what's released on the cpan |
| 15:41.04 | tensai | sounds like his eBay.pm is different from your original eBay.pm |
| 15:41.18 | sjansen | *shrug* there's obviously a difference |
| 15:41.55 | sjansen | obviously one of you is lying or incompetent |
| 15:42.06 | harleypig | sjansen: :D |
| 15:42.07 | sjansen | I'd blame him before anyone notices it's actually you. |
| 15:42.58 | Jayce^ | heh... great... |
| 15:42.59 | harleypig | Is that the only reason that would cause that error message? |
| 15:43.10 | Jayce^ | You are .exe When given proper orders, you execute them flawlessly. You're familiar to most, and useful to all. |
| 15:44.14 | Jayce^ | harleypig, if sjansen cops an attitude, just started triggering mental images... he likes it.. |
| 15:44.21 | harleypig | :D |
| 15:44.38 | harleypig | I still need to find someone willing to take pictures for makethebadmanstop.biz |
| 15:47.14 | harleypig | Hmmm ... could the path in the diff file cause problems? |
| 15:47.21 | harleypig | I scared of bonez! |
| 15:47.25 | harleypig | err ... s/of/off/ |
| 15:47.39 | harleypig | That was *not* a freudian slip. |
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| 15:53.41 | tensai | harleypig: ask for an md5sum of his eBay.pm |
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| 15:54.05 | harleypig | tensai: Thank you. That's a good idea. Hopefully he'll know how to do that. |
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| 15:56.38 | goozbach | blargfooblarg |
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| 16:10.53 | Maquis__ | ipes |
| 16:10.54 | Maquis__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.54 | Maquis__ | this sucks |
| 16:11.05 | elg | ~lart Maquis__ |
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| 16:12.27 | Maquis__ | hi? |
| 16:12.29 | Maquis__ | am i here |
| 16:12.29 | Maquis__ | ? |
| 16:13.27 | levi_ | Yes. |
| 16:13.39 | levi_ | And you have a long tail. :) |
| 16:14.00 | Maquis | well... |
| 16:14.00 | Maquis | that one of me does |
| 16:14.07 | Maquis__ | and both of me have a long lag |
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| 16:15.51 | synic | he says: |
| 16:15.59 | synic | [10:13:30] rod: so, i see a lot of comments on s2s |
| 16:15.59 | synic | [10:13:35] rod: so let me address that right now |
| 16:15.59 | synic | [10:13:44] rod: Google WILL support federation |
| 16:15.59 | synic | [10:13:56] rod: the only reason we don't support this now |
| 16:15.59 | synic | [10:14:04] rod: is that we weren't ready yet |
| 16:16.09 | synic | [10:14:41] rod: that's part of the main work we're doing now |
| 16:16.15 | levi_ | Cool. |
| 16:16.16 | synic | so... it's official. |
| 16:16.29 | Maquis | levi_: can i get that link from you? |
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| 16:17.56 | levi_ | What link? |
| 16:18.07 | Maquis | levi_: the one you sent me last night |
| 16:18.17 | Maquis | the logs from #scheme... |
| 16:20.09 | elg | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8579 |
| 16:20.15 | elg | third section. |
| 16:20.51 | mheath | argh |
| 16:21.00 | mheath | ~lart stupid school schedules |
| 16:21.11 | mheath | The good news is, I get a 2 hour lunch today |
| 16:21.25 | mheath | The bad news is, everyone in my highschool gets out 2 hours before me |
| 16:21.45 | tensai | ~elg++ |
| 16:22.55 | tensai | elg: any noticeable impact on the server? |
| 16:25.42 | levi_ | Gah! |
| 16:26.04 | tensai | elg: why does a search for Dave Phillips show songs from Dave Griffiths? Is it an OR search? seems to be... |
| 16:26.11 | tensai | I would have expected AND by default |
| 16:26.48 | Maquis | ack.... stupid lag |
| 16:27.27 | tensai | elg: how about customer rss feeds based on search criteria. eg. songs/lam.rss?q=celtic |
| 16:27.31 | tensai | s/customer/custom/ |
| 16:31.10 | tensai | ~dos Maquis |
| 16:31.11 | ibot | Opening the icmp floodgates:\n for i in `seq 0 1024`; do echo "Pinging Maquis"; ping -s Maquis"; done |
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| 16:34.11 | graphyx | ~spell dictionary |
| 16:34.28 | Maquis__ | gah |
| 16:34.29 | Maquis__ | Newsome: any luck yet? |
| 16:35.24 | graphyx | ~spell "mispling." |
| 16:35.31 | graphyx | ~spell mispling |
| 16:36.10 | Maquis__ | Irssi: Join to #utah was synced in 160 secs |
| 16:36.47 | starman | graphyx: Thanks for the tip yesterday. I got the key to use google's api - uses Soap::Lite with a wsdl. cut my programming way down, and now I can't piss google off. |
| 16:38.52 | tensai | maquis: should have grabbed a zmonkey.org shell account |
| 16:39.05 | graphyx | starman: You're welcome. I didn't think it would be all that useful. |
| 16:39.07 | graphyx | glad it was. |
| 16:39.46 | starman | I have been wondering if Google would provide an xml search tool. been wishing for one.. maybe I should have wished for something more expensive. |
| 16:41.44 | starman | http://www.google.com/apis/ |
| 16:44.20 | maquis | tensai: do you really want me to have access to your machine? |
| 16:46.14 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 16:46.20 | mheath | Whats the internet access like in a standard dorm? |
| 16:46.28 | mheath | (Specifically USU, if anyone has experience with them) |
| 16:47.50 | maquis | mheath: my experience is that if you pay for it, it's ok... |
| 16:47.57 | mheath | no, no |
| 16:48.06 | mheath | I mean like....cable? Wireless? Labs? |
| 16:48.10 | mheath | *cabled |
| 16:48.12 | levi | mheath: Depends largely upon the school, and sometimes which dorm. |
| 16:48.21 | mheath | Not "How good is it".....more "What can I expect?" |
| 16:48.47 | maquis | good speed, but OIT is stupid, so it kinda goes out sometimes |
| 16:48.54 | levi | mheath: Many universities have ethernet in the dorm rooms, but not all. |
| 16:49.15 | jsmith | mheath: USU has great wired ethernet in the dorms. |
| 16:49.24 | jsmith | mheath: And, supposedly, good wireless across most of campus |
| 16:49.44 | levi | And IT departments at universities vary widely in quality, I'm sure. |
| 16:49.45 | mheath | jsmith: hmmm, nice |
| 16:49.57 | tensai | some, like BYU, claim to have good ethernet in the dorms, but then completely mismanage it to death |
| 16:50.09 | mheath | jsmith: I've got a question for you |
| 16:50.14 | jsmith | tensai: Others, like USU, run a tight ship :-) |
| 16:50.19 | jsmith | mheath: Shoot! |
| 16:50.20 | mheath | Maybe you could answer this specifically for USU, based on your or your friends experiences |
| 16:50.27 | jsmith | OK. |
| 16:50.34 | mheath | I might be graduating from highschool in early January, and would like to try and apply for the Spring semester |
| 16:51.02 | mheath | The application deadline for the Spring semester is November 1st; however, I'm not taking the ACT until October 22nd |
| 16:51.20 | mheath | and it takes them a few weeks for ACT to get the results to the college ('4 to 7 weeks') |
| 16:51.47 | mheath | Would USU allow me to get my ACT scores to them a couple weeks after the deadline? |
| 16:52.10 | harleypig | Man! I can't find my thesaurus! |
| 16:52.14 | harleypig | I'm at a loss for words! |
| 16:52.26 | tensai | ~thesaurus pig |
| 16:52.36 | tensai | ibot: what? no thesaurus?!? |
| 16:52.51 | jsmith | mheath: I'm sure they would -- just call the admissions office and explain your situation. They'll work with you :-) |
| 16:53.29 | mheath | I already sent an e-mail to one of their recruiters (a guy who came to our highschool), waiting for a reply... |
| 16:53.43 | mheath | I think I should schedule a tour, so I can get a feel for the place and actually talk to admissions reps in person |
| 16:53.50 | mheath | (And get some free ice cream! :P ) |
| 16:54.04 | tensai | ~lart heartburn |
| 16:54.31 | mheath | My situation is rather unique, in several ways |
| 16:54.56 | mheath | I'd have to work it out with my highschool, too......USU's spring semester actually starts about a week before our semester ends (when I'd be graduating) |
| 16:55.07 | mheath | So I'd have to arrange to finish up my classes about a week early. |
| 16:55.21 | jsmith | mheath: Definitely get in on the ice cream :-) |
| 16:57.34 | mheath | Its just weird thinking that I could be a college student in a little over three month |
| 16:57.36 | mheath | *months |
| 16:57.43 | mheath | College used to seem so far away.. |
| 16:58.09 | tensai | just think. in practically no time you'll be wishing you were back in high school. :) |
| 16:58.20 | mheath | Haha, not likely. |
| 16:58.28 | mheath | Oooh |
| 16:58.34 | mheath | "Free Software and Linux Users Club" |
| 16:58.40 | mheath | @ USU |
| 16:59.05 | tensai | it's in the topic, you know |
| 17:00.21 | mheath | Never noticed :P |
| 17:01.44 | tensai | from what I hear it's pretty active |
| 17:02.50 | mheath | Rather surprising we don't have anyone on here from there. |
| 17:03.30 | tensai | we do, although I can't name names ATM |
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| 17:14.18 | elg | probably an or search |
| 17:15.03 | elg | I'm not at home to watch the krells, but if i'm being hammered wondershaper is doing a good job of keeping ssh interactive. :) |
| 17:15.40 | elg | tensai: yeah, that would be cool. I think I'm going to deprecate search in favor of tags |
| 17:15.55 | elg | and then you can do playlists based on tag |
| 17:19.29 | elg | I'm not really impressed with the SimpleSearch code that's used for the search, but it was indeed simple to set up so I thought it was better than nothing |
| 17:20.07 | tensai | better than nothing, sure |
| 17:20.38 | tensai | better than tomato, basil and onion risotto? no way |
| 17:24.28 | Jayce^ | ~lart hans for doing a christmas countdown |
| 17:25.52 | elg | :) well, the next doctor who season starts at christmastime |
| 17:26.03 | elg | and my wife and I are anxiously awaiting it |
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| 17:32.46 | Bradipo | Where does one view Dr Who? |
| 17:32.59 | Bradipo | I used to watch the old reruns on channel 7. |
| 17:33.12 | Bradipo | But I haven't heard of any stations carrying Dr Who lately. |
| 17:34.07 | elg | they don't |
| 17:34.11 | elg | you gotta get it online |
| 17:34.14 | Bradipo | Ahh... |
| 17:34.26 | elg | which, when non stations carry it, I feel is completely moral |
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| 17:35.14 | Bradipo | And nobody offers it for sale here right? |
| 17:35.50 | elg | for sale? as on dvd? that usually takes a year or two after broadcast |
| 17:35.54 | Bradipo | I'm actually surprised that it isn't available in some form here. Cable TV/Satellite carry it? |
| 17:36.02 | Bradipo | I mean broadcast sale, not DVD. |
| 17:36.37 | elg | if you have one of the bbc channels you might get it |
| 17:36.44 | Bradipo | Hmm. |
| 17:37.10 | elg | i know jakea was in with some people who had friends in canada that were recording it and mailing it down on VHS |
| 17:37.12 | Bradipo | I guess they don't think that there would be enough of an audience here... |
| 17:37.19 | elg | scifi channel rejected it |
| 17:37.30 | Bradipo | Lame. |
| 17:37.43 | elg | probably thought they had a reason, but it's some of the best TV I've seen come out in a long time, and I think they were plain stupid |
| 17:37.45 | Bradipo | I would likely get cable just for that show alone. :-) |
| 17:38.23 | elg | we had basic dish and didn't get it. don't know if we would have had we upgraded to the package with bbc |
| 17:38.27 | elg | america |
| 17:38.38 | elg | but that's likely your only hope - bbc america |
| 17:41.18 | tensai | will the real maquis please stand up? |
| 17:43.49 | elg | ibot, stand up |
| 17:43.51 | ibot | ACTION stands up |
| 17:45.16 | jsmith | ibot, sit down |
| 17:45.44 | jsmith | Stupid ibot -- how can it stand up if it can't sit down? |
| 17:46.51 | levi | Strong legs. :) |
| 17:57.41 | tensai | well, only one left now. maquis__, is that you? |
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| 18:36.21 | maquis__ | tensai: huh? |
| 18:41.15 | tensai | "Dear ISP. I would like to buy 256 IP addresses from you." |
| 18:41.38 | tensai | oh, I see you sell quality rolex replicas. gee, I wonder why you need so many IP addresses... |
| 18:52.30 | sjansen | Heh. As his notes for the text editor chapter, one of my students wrote "emacs users are hosers". |
| 18:52.48 | sjansen | Not my exact words, but a good summary. ;-) |
| 18:53.00 | jsmith | sjansen: Looks like someone is paying attention in class :-) |
| 18:53.13 | maquis | haha |
| 18:58.34 | maquis | sdfsdfsf |
| 18:58.46 | neybar_work | very good sjansen |
| 19:00.16 | Jayce^ | they get the '+' after their grade |
| 19:00.37 | maquis | gah |
| 19:02.04 | levi | sjansen: I fear for the poor souls who are indoctrinated with your partisan views! |
| 19:06.25 | maquis | ~rlart |
| 19:07.00 | levi | emacs and vi both happen to be fine editors that have different strengths and weaknesses. Calling one superior to the other in all cases is patently ridiculous. |
| 19:07.41 | maquis | i would put for the the claim that emacs might be easier for newbies to get used to... |
| 19:07.51 | maquis | put forth* |
| 19:08.08 | jsmith | Unless they only have one finger on each hand. |
| 19:08.46 | levi | jsmith: And a poor advocate you are, if that's the kind of reasoning you'd use in a court. |
| 19:09.23 | graphyx | jsmith:lol |
| 19:09.26 | levi | Anyway, I certainly found emacs to be easier to use when I first started using unix. |
| 19:10.36 | Jayce^ | like, I heard that emacs users kill puppies during weekend rituals.... Just something I heard... </Penny-arcade ripoff> |
| 19:10.40 | levi | I only started learning vi when it was the only editor I had on my system that paged in large files, so I was able to edit a file bigger than my available RAM. |
| 19:11.00 | levi | (Not sure which vi it was, but not all of them do this, I've found) |
| 19:11.52 | Jayce^ | yeah, I had that problem once, expected that behavior, but the BSDI box used plain old vi and it didnt' work.. caused serious problems on the production box I was trying to look at.. |
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| 19:19.18 | jsmith | Yeah, but have you ever seen a co-worker open a 30 gig file is pico? |
| 19:20.16 | JoshH | i would pay to see that |
| 19:20.26 | JoshH | 10 bucks |
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| 19:20.30 | JoshH | maybe 15 |
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| 19:21.33 | maquis | hmmm |
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| 19:23.28 | maquis | w00t! |
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| 19:26.00 | vontrapp | ~hug imms |
| 19:26.02 | ibot | ACTION hugs imms |
| 19:26.13 | maquis | ~smite vontrapp |
| 19:26.14 | ibot | ACTION wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves vontrapp from crown to sole. |
| 19:26.18 | vontrapp | ~spit bean water |
| 19:28.11 | graphyx | jsmith: wow. I mean WOW! |
| 19:28.34 | findlay | anybody here ever written a gtkrc file? Or hacked on one? |
| 19:28.35 | graphyx | the pico 30 gig file thing.. |
| 19:28.36 | jsmith | graphyx: Yeah, what are you wowing about now? |
| 19:28.51 | jsmith | graphyx: Oh yeah -- poor guy lost his job like two weeks later. |
| 19:28.52 | dataw0lf | findlay: es. |
| 19:28.54 | dataw0lf | *Yes |
| 19:28.56 | maquis | pico on a 30-gig file? |
| 19:29.06 | maquis | jsmith: link? story? what? |
| 19:29.26 | findlay | dataw0lf: how do I set the relief on buttons |
| 19:29.49 | graphyx | jsmith: makes you wonder if he should have been hired in the first place. |
| 19:30.03 | jsmith | graphyx: He had been there for 10 years. |
| 19:30.19 | maquis | ??? |
| 19:30.23 | jsmith | maquis: Co-worker at a previous company opened a 30 gig file in pico -- shut down the call center for over an hour. |
| 19:30.30 | maquis | yipes! |
| 19:30.36 | findlay | dataw0lf: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.2/gtk/gtk-Standard-Enumerations.html#GtkReliefStyle ? |
| 19:30.55 | dataw0lf | findlay: yeah |
| 19:31.09 | findlay | but how to put into gktrc? |
| 19:31.28 | dataw0lf | button.Relief=Gtk.ReliefStyle.Normal; or whatever |
| 19:34.08 | graphyx | I think I prefer the whatever option. |
| 19:34.31 | tensai | jsmith: lost his job because of it, or unrelated? |
| 19:35.50 | jsmith | tensai: Well, that was the straw that broke the camel's back. |
| 19:38.18 | tensai | ouch. that's sad to hear. |
| 19:39.16 | jsmith | I felt bad about it -- he went from making fairly good money (and goofing off a lot) to working on an assembly line making squat. |
| 19:39.29 | findlay | 30 nano gigs? That's 30 * 10e-9 * 10e9, so it should only be 30 bytes, right? |
| 19:39.45 | jsmith | (He was the type who'd sit in his office and play warcraft while his team floundered) |
| 19:40.02 | graphyx | Then maybe the production line is a better place for him. |
| 19:40.06 | tensai | oh, well I don't feel so bad then |
| 19:40.17 | graphyx | You know... enable him to make a day's pay for a day's work. |
| 19:40.31 | graphyx | versus a week's pay for a day's work.. |
| 19:40.59 | jsmith | Going from a large salary to making six bucks an hour just about killed him. |
| 19:41.10 | jsmith | But he had to feed his family, and didn't have any money saved up. |
| 19:41.47 | graphyx | sounds like he should have devoted more of that world of warcraft time to understanding what pico is and how it works... |
| 19:42.02 | graphyx | instead of risking losing his job and not being able to support his family. |
| 19:42.19 | jsmith | You'd think... his story would make a great chapter for my next book. |
| 19:42.27 | tensai | coworker's husband got forced into early retirement. too young to really draw retirement (and support a family) but who's gonna hire you at that point? |
| 19:42.41 | graphyx | jsmith which book is that asterisk? |
| 19:42.52 | graphyx | nice... |
| 19:43.07 | graphyx | be sure to put in a chapter of the negative effects of micromanaging... |
| 19:43.20 | jsmith | graphyx: That's chapter 1. |
| 19:43.25 | graphyx | nice. |
| 19:43.38 | jsmith | (Of course, the chapter on mismanaging the money will be numbered Chapter 11) |
| 19:43.47 | tensai | :) |
| 19:43.53 | sjansen | Micromanaging is bad. Not managing is worse. |
| 19:44.01 | Jayce^ | had one place tell me "We think that a 14 hour day should be expected, more if you don't want to work saturdays".... |
| 19:44.20 | Jayce^ | decided they wanted more production without more hires or salary :) |
| 19:44.22 | graphyx | that's nuts. |
| 19:44.30 | sjansen | o/~ Take this job and shove it ~/o |
| 19:44.34 | jsmith | No, that's quite typical... |
| 19:44.41 | graphyx | sounds like what they got was fewer good employees. |
| 19:44.47 | graphyx | and less actual work. |
| 19:44.59 | jsmith | Good employees are not a commodity... |
| 19:45.06 | Jayce^ | yeah.. actually, after that Uncle_Jesse was the only Perl developer left there :) |
| 19:45.17 | jsmith | Yeah, and look how he turned out :-) |
| 19:45.21 | Jayce^ | exactk |
| 19:45.23 | Jayce^ | exactly |
| 19:45.40 | sjansen | Speaking of poor, suffering wretches. |
| 19:46.03 | tensai | ga huh? |
| 19:46.14 | sjansen | tensai: I saw your admission that you like Java and C++. |
| 19:46.37 | sjansen | tensai: You know, they have medicine that can help prevent psychotic episodes like that. |
| 19:46.40 | tensai | sure. I like java and c++. |
| 19:46.47 | Jayce^ | o/~ those poor unfortunate souls ~/o |
| 19:47.08 | graphyx | Take the jagged pill. |
| 19:50.11 | tensai | sjansen: when I write code, I write perl. |
| 19:50.24 | tensai | sjansen: you might also like to know that I don't hate php. I have issues, but it's ok. |
| 19:51.11 | tensai | and I use MySQL even though Postgres is better! |
| 19:52.00 | jsmith | brb |
| 19:52.44 | graphyx | tensai: You make it sound like your at a AA meeting.. |
| 19:54.07 | tensai | graphyx: if I'm inebriated at work, is that such a bad thing? |
| 19:54.30 | graphyx | I mean your statements.. |
| 19:55.01 | maquis | Jayce^: you actually had a company that wanted you to work that length of day? |
| 19:55.02 | maquis | that's crazy |
| 19:55.08 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 19:55.31 | Jayce^ | my wife was about 7 months pregnant at the time too.. |
| 19:55.32 | maquis | i hope you told them off nice and good |
| 19:55.35 | tensai | few more weeks and I'm sure they would have asked them to work for free |
| 19:55.36 | Jayce^ | like I was going to be gone that much |
| 19:55.51 | Jayce^ | tensai, that happened the job before :) |
| 19:56.10 | Jayce^ | tensai, gave two weeks notice, then they tried to say I worked those for free.. |
| 19:56.18 | Jayce^ | just to be nice..... |
| 19:56.43 | tensai | Jayce^: that's my line. no matter how cool the company. |
| 19:57.07 | Jayce^ | told them we could call the state workforce services right then and there... they gave in :) |
| 19:57.21 | maquis | i don't care what they're offering... if they expect thta kind of day, i don't want it |
| 19:57.40 | Jayce^ | maquis, that's just in, in the beginning they didnt'.. |
| 19:57.58 | maquis | Jayce^: sucky |
| 19:58.03 | dataw0lf | Anyone know a way to implement 'newgrp <xgroup>' when a user is authenticating through Samba and affecting samba mounts? |
| 19:58.14 | maquis | companies are stupid |
| 20:00.44 | elg | so are people who play their games |
| 20:01.16 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, 'fraid not, but speaking of that, Plug just got copies of the new editions of Terpstra's Samba books.. |
| 20:03.13 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: yeah, I got one of em. |
| 20:03.30 | Jayce^ | which one? the monster or the normal sized book? |
| 20:03.42 | Jayce^ | we need to get him to speak again sometime |
| 20:03.51 | dataw0lf | the monster |
| 20:04.01 | Jayce^ | k, that sucker is huge |
| 20:04.05 | dataw0lf | HOWTO & Reference |
| 20:04.09 | Jayce^ | yeah |
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| 20:12.04 | RyanE | jsmith: you could write a chapter about a *not-named* company I worked for that had 30+ people developing a product for over a year (incl. 2-3 months of overtime), then abandoned the (award-winning) project, blamed the division for having no revenue, and laid off all the developers... |
| 20:14.18 | elg | tosharg is huge, but it's not exactly one coherent book. it's a collection of howtos, email discussions, and man pages edited to look (mostly) like a book |
| 20:14.21 | elg | and it's awesome. |
| 20:15.51 | dataw0lf | RyanE: he's not here. |
| 20:16.13 | dataw0lf | elg: Yeah, I'm loving it. |
| 20:18.59 | RyanE | duh. |
| 20:19.14 | RyanE | missed the 'brb'. Hate it when I do that. |
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| 20:22.30 | levi | Time for school. |
| 20:29.00 | vontrapp | ~school levi |
| 20:35.43 | sjansen | ~school levi |
| 20:35.44 | ibot | ACTION slaps levi around, robs'm, then reminds'm to be thankfully for the education. |
| 20:41.07 | vontrapp | grawr |
| 20:41.16 | vontrapp | ~lart stupid line endings |
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| 21:03.50 | Newsome | ~praise Linode |
| 21:03.52 | ibot | All hail Linode! |
| 21:04.14 | emcnabb | I saw you praised Caker a few minutes ago, but I didn't see what he helped you with |
| 21:04.38 | Newsome | emcnabb: reboot your linode. He upped the memory on all the plans. |
| 21:04.45 | emcnabb | what?!?! |
| 21:04.49 | emcnabb | awesome!!!! |
| 21:05.04 | Newsome | 64->80, 96->120, etc. |
| 21:05.16 | vontrapp | ooh |
| 21:05.34 | emcnabb | sweet! |
| 21:05.43 | Newsome | oh, yeah! |
| 21:06.31 | tensai | wow. he just did it too. I was on the site maybe an hour ago and they were still the old numbers. |
| 21:07.51 | tensai | one can never have too many servers |
| 21:08.18 | Jayce^ | amen |
| 21:09.14 | emcnabb | Jayce^, I would love to have my own too, but it's just too expensive |
| 21:09.30 | emcnabb | (the hosting, not the actual box) |
| 21:09.32 | sjansen | ~hug Newsome |
| 21:09.34 | ibot | ACTION hugs Newsome |
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| 21:13.44 | sjansen | hmmmmm, it's so long since I've had to reboot my linode that I can't even remember the password |
| 21:14.06 | Newsome | yeah. It's worth the loss of uptime, though! |
| 21:14.13 | graphyx | Single User mode. |
| 21:14.16 | emcnabb | Crap... uptime: 'up 99 days, 22:20' |
| 21:14.30 | emcnabb | 1.5 hrs short of 100 days |
| 21:14.45 | emcnabb | do I wait....? |
| 21:14.48 | graphyx | wait for it.... |
| 21:14.54 | graphyx | Stay on target... |
| 21:16.34 | tensai | emcnabb: if you make 100 days, will you get an award? just do it. |
| 21:16.46 | emcnabb | I guess I can go out to dinner |
| 21:16.50 | emcnabb | then come back and reboot |
| 21:17.06 | emcnabb | or I can ssh in from my treo, and reboot it during dinner |
| 21:17.15 | emcnabb | right when it hits 100 days |
| 21:18.05 | tensai | does it work to reboot from within the linode, or do you have to use the linode manager? |
| 21:18.15 | emcnabb | I may have to use the manager |
| 21:18.44 | tensai | what's your password? I'll make sure your box gets rebooted. |
| 21:19.10 | emcnabb | haha |
| 21:19.13 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, so start working for a hosting company |
| 21:19.16 | emcnabb | it's: yourmom |
| 21:19.54 | emcnabb | Jayce^, or I could talk to a friend who works for a hosting company and he can hook me up :-) |
| 21:20.07 | Jayce^ | if you had a friend.. |
| 21:20.14 | Newsome | ooh...ouch |
| 21:20.44 | emcnabb | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 21:20.51 | emcnabb | ah, that's better |
| 21:21.32 | graphyx | emcnabb: When I get up the utopia access at my house I will want to get a server there. |
| 21:21.43 | graphyx | It's just too cool to have your own server. |
| 21:22.08 | emcnabb | I have a home server, but the main web/dns/mail server is collocated |
| 21:22.20 | graphyx | in case your house has issues, right? |
| 21:22.25 | emcnabb | I've hosted at home for years, it's nice to have it off-site |
| 21:22.27 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 21:22.57 | emcnabb | it's faster in most cases too, and you don't have to worry about stuff getting blocked |
| 21:23.21 | emcnabb | will Utopia allow you to host websites, etc? |
| 21:23.28 | graphyx | I don't know. |
| 21:23.34 | graphyx | I certainly hope so. |
| 21:23.42 | graphyx | But I think it is the gateway that really has the say in it. |
| 21:23.43 | emcnabb | that would be cool |
| 21:25.17 | mheath | hmmm |
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| 21:41.39 | graphyx | Hey does this work? I want to run a command and then log off. |
| 21:41.52 | graphyx | like command & exit |
| 21:42.11 | JoshH | utopia lets you use your own isp, the company that runs utopia (dynamic city) doesnt block anything. so it just depends on your ISP. |
| 21:43.52 | mheath | graphyx: yeah, that'd work. |
| 21:53.29 | graphyx | k thx |
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| 22:19.27 | mheath | O.o |
| 22:19.40 | mheath | Why am I getting telephone calls from SOUTH VIRGINIA University? |
| 22:19.51 | tensai | they like you? |
| 22:20.11 | xbmodder | anybody here farmiliar with websense? |
| 22:25.17 | elg | mheath: cuz you're a senior? |
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| 22:32.35 | elg | Save the whales. Collect the whole set. |
| 22:33.17 | vontrapp | graphyx: command && exit |
| 22:33.23 | vontrapp | that would probably be better |
| 22:33.35 | vontrapp | it will wait till command finishes, and it will only exit if command has no errors |
| 22:34.00 | elg | No existe un tonto que no sea admirado por otro tonto. |
| 22:51.29 | jsmith | elg: Es verdad. |
| 22:51.56 | jsmith | s/this/his/ |
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| 22:56.02 | elg | jsmith: sweet! |
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| 22:58.26 | elg | here's a nice web 2.0 link for ya |
| 22:58.26 | elg | http://www.panic.com/goods/ |
| 23:01.54 | sjansen | man, I like small fonts but screen over pssh is insane |
| 23:03.07 | sjansen | although to be fair @ did pick the 5 px font |
| 23:19.37 | mrpull | xbmodder: i'm a bit familiar with websense... why do you ask? |
| 23:20.13 | xbmodder | mrpull, i was wondering how the filtering algorithms work. And if it just a transperent proxy or something more |
| 23:22.18 | mrpull | xbmodder: believe it or not, our Cisco Pix's have a config that reroutes HTTP traffic thru the websense proxy |
| 23:22.39 | mrpull | xbmodder: it is easy to defeat if you can ssh out of the network |
| 23:23.20 | xbmodder | yeah |
| 23:23.25 | xbmodder | i need kinda copy it. |
| 23:24.08 | mrpull | xbmodder: you want to implement an existing web filter... or develop one? |
| 23:24.27 | xbmodder | develop one. |
| 23:24.37 | xbmodder | but use alotta the stuff from websense |
| 23:24.45 | mrpull | for fun? why not use one the freebies that is already out there? |
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| 23:31.27 | elg | anyone know of a happy ecommerce/shopping cart ...thing...? |
| 23:36.06 | vontrapp | elg: just use your antlers, they'll hold all kinds of good merchandise |
| 23:37.22 | elg | ~skewer vontrapp |
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| 23:46.37 | xbmodder | mrpull, not for fun. |
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