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| 00:26.08 | goozbach | ~punk emcnabb |
| 00:27.22 | xbmodder | how was the flight? |
| 00:28.17 | goozbach | long |
| 00:29.08 | xbmodder | 4 hrs? |
| 00:29.46 | xbmodder | lemme guess treo > pssh > server > screen > irssi? |
| 00:30.18 | goozbach | 2.5 |
| 00:30.45 | goozbach | three actually |
| 00:33.16 | goozbach | sjansen: the emacs kees work well |
| 00:34.01 | xbmodder | http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/album/50.jpg < do you think she looks nice? |
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| 00:51.04 | maquis | goozbach: you're right... emcnabb is a punk :) |
| 01:07.22 | linuxalien | I want a chicken spider |
| 01:09.33 | maquis | linuxalien: ???? |
| 01:32.29 | maquis | hmm... |
| 01:32.42 | maquis | if i didn't create a mail-spool when creating a user, is there a way to do it after-the-fact? |
| 01:32.47 | linuxalien | Hi |
| 01:33.28 | linuxalien | I'm watching a show where this guy is looking for a tarantual in the Amazon that eats chickens. |
| 01:33.38 | maquis | ah... |
| 01:34.07 | linuxalien | It's a foot in diameter |
| 01:34.14 | maquis | ipes! |
| 01:34.53 | linuxalien | There is also the wandering spider which comes out at night and it's venom is 18 times more toxic than a black widow's. And it has huge fangs and is easily pissed off and jumps and bites you. |
| 01:35.14 | linuxalien | It's also the size of a tarantula |
| 01:35.45 | maquis | linuxalien: i'm glad that those are down in brazil, and not here |
| 01:36.03 | linuxalien | Yeah, it would not be fun to be bit by one of those. |
| 01:36.19 | linuxalien | And then there's the bullet ant |
| 01:36.26 | linuxalien | the sting feels like a gunshot and paralyzes |
| 01:39.57 | elg | who needs aliens when you've got bugs like that? |
| 01:41.15 | linuxalien | Oh and then there's that first that swims up your uretha (in your privates) and needs to be cut out. |
| 01:41.21 | linuxalien | first=fish |
| 01:41.30 | linuxalien | But anyhow, nature shows are cool hehe |
| 01:41.34 | linuxalien | But look painful to make |
| 01:54.15 | maquis | hmmm |
| 01:54.51 | elg | newest song on lam is pretty neat |
| 01:55.02 | elg | kind of jazz/guitar |
| 01:55.10 | elg | recorded in ardour |
| 01:55.54 | maquis | elg: any idea how to get CA.pl if it doesn't already exist? |
| 02:01.18 | goozbach | maquis: cpan |
| 02:02.18 | goozbach | run cpan, then from the cpan shell type install ca |
| 02:03.42 | elg | it's probably on your system if you have openssl |
| 02:03.46 | elg | just hidden away somewhere odd |
| 02:03.51 | elg | do you have locate installed? |
| 02:04.06 | elg | if it's not, I can email it to you |
| 02:04.13 | elg | actually I'll email you the .sh version, which I think is cleaner |
| 02:05.08 | goozbach | run updatedb it should be on your system |
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| 02:18.36 | goozbach | why anyone would want to re-live highschool is beyond me |
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| 02:30.30 | elg | who wants to? |
| 02:37.13 | xbmodder | wtf? |
| 02:37.20 | xbmodder | who needs the prozac? |
| 02:37.34 | xbmodder | goozbach, unless the were popular and had it easy... |
| 02:37.43 | xbmodder | I need a Non-stupid peice of advice |
| 02:38.40 | xbmodder | i don't want to say it if no ones listening... |
| 02:38.50 | linuxalien | I like prozac sandwhiches |
| 02:43.36 | xbmodder | linuxalien, cool. |
| 02:44.47 | linuxalien | they're better than prozac suppositories |
| 02:47.57 | xbmodder | hehe |
| 02:48.16 | linuxalien | :) |
| 02:48.29 | xbmodder | Ok but I'll ask anyway: |
| 02:48.37 | linuxalien | haha |
| 02:50.04 | xbmodder | Do you think if I get a 4.0 by the end of the semester my parents (who are wholy over protective) will let me fly to hawaii _alone_ and stay for a week with someone of the opposite sex who most parents think are crazy and my mom's heard it from them? |
| 02:50.18 | xbmodder | And her dad works for Sun Microsystems |
| 02:50.43 | Jayce^ | nope, and I wouldn't either |
| 02:51.19 | linuxalien | Well, as long as she don't kill ya. hehe |
| 02:51.21 | xbmodder | May I ask why not? |
| 02:51.26 | xbmodder | to Jayce^ |
| 02:51.30 | xbmodder | because he is older |
| 02:51.37 | xbmodder | and more mature -- sorry linuxalien |
| 02:51.47 | linuxalien | Oh ok. :) |
| 02:53.45 | Jayce^ | yeah, along those lines.. |
| 02:53.50 | Jayce^ | I wouldn't let my sone do it |
| 02:53.56 | Jayce^ | grades or not.. |
| 02:54.03 | xbmodder | But my question is why not? |
| 02:54.11 | xbmodder | She wouln't make a move. |
| 02:54.26 | xbmodder | 'nor would she let me... |
| 02:54.35 | Jayce^ | still |
| 02:55.17 | Jayce^ | I probably wouldn't let a 17 year old make the trip totally alone if I could avoid it... |
| 02:55.27 | Jayce^ | much less staying with someone the opposite sex.. |
| 02:55.31 | xbmodder | ah |
| 02:55.35 | xbmodder | Why not though? |
| 02:55.37 | xbmodder | is my question |
| 02:57.01 | Jayce^ | a) like it or not, increased chance of something happening that's bad... b) even if you wont', the outward appearance is very strong... |
| 02:57.28 | Jayce^ | I'd be more likely if you were staying with somebody else, and spending time along with that 3rd person |
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| 02:57.46 | xbmodder | hm.. |
| 02:57.58 | xbmodder | I'd be spending time with about 3 girls -- from her school? |
| 02:58.04 | xbmodder | Ok this sucks |
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| 02:59.10 | xbmodder | hey emcnabb |
| 02:59.23 | Jayce^ | yeah, not something I'd allow :) |
| 02:59.27 | Jayce^ | that's just how it is |
| 02:59.42 | Jayce^ | night all.. |
| 03:11.15 | emcnabb | hello |
| 03:11.34 | Newsome | hey, emcnabb |
| 03:13.20 | emcnabb | how's it going Newsome? |
| 03:13.36 | Newsome | emcnabb: not bad! |
| 03:14.17 | goozbach | I take it you found your hotel emcnabb |
| 03:14.39 | Newsome | emcnabb: I was upgrading a machine last night (remotely, of course!), and ssh died. |
| 03:14.56 | emcnabb | Newsome, ugh |
| 03:14.58 | emcnabb | goozbach, |
| 03:15.00 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 03:15.03 | Newsome | emcnabb: I figured out a way to restart ssh remotely, though! :) |
| 03:15.22 | emcnabb | we went to the bar next door for a (not so) quick bite to eat |
| 03:15.40 | emcnabb | there were some interesting conversations going on in there |
| 03:15.44 | maquis | emcnabb: hi |
| 03:15.48 | emcnabb | Newsome, cool :-) |
| 03:16.16 | maquis | Newsome: how???? |
| 03:16.21 | Newsome | hehe :) |
| 03:16.43 | Newsome | The machine was running a web server, and was an NFS server |
| 03:17.12 | Newsome | I wrote up a php file that I could open in the web browser |
| 03:17.54 | Newsome | it did an "su", entered the password, and did an "/etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd restart" |
| 03:18.22 | maquis | wow |
| 03:18.23 | Newsome | however, su requires a TTY, and won't run otherwise |
| 03:19.10 | maquis | xbmodder: i'm with jayce... |
| 03:19.10 | xbmodder | "sudo /etc/init.d/sshd restart" |
| 03:19.23 | Newsome | so, I started a screen session, detached, then "stuff"ed characters into the screen session to do the su and enter the password! |
| 03:19.23 | xbmodder | maquis, may I ask why? |
| 03:20.03 | maquis | xbmodder: it's a stupid idea that looks wrong, and will cause people to think that things happened (regardless of whether they did or not), and will just cause problems down the line |
| 03:20.11 | maquis | and did i mention that it's stupid? |
| 03:20.34 | maquis | Newsome: how'd you stuff characters into the screen session? |
| 03:20.56 | xbmodder | stupid? :( |
| 03:20.56 | maquis | xbmodder: my guess is that most people in the channel would have the same opinion |
| 03:21.02 | xbmodder | maquis, yeah |
| 03:21.03 | maquis | xbmodder: yes... |
| 03:21.16 | xbmodder | maquis, yeah I guess that most people here would... |
| 03:21.25 | xbmodder | maquis, your usually pretty loose with stuff... |
| 03:21.29 | maquis | expecting your parents to let you go to hawaii and stay with a girl would be stupid imo |
| 03:21.48 | maquis | xbmodder: loose? |
| 03:21.51 | xbmodder | why do parents do things like this? |
| 03:22.07 | maquis | xbmodder: do things like letting their kids do that? i have no idea |
| 03:22.19 | Newsome | maquis: like this: screen -p 0 -X eval 'stuff id\015' |
| 03:22.46 | Newsome | maquis: that will act as if someone inside the screen session had typed "id<enter>" |
| 03:22.56 | maquis | cool |
| 03:23.03 | maquis | so... you did" |
| 03:23.11 | xbmodder | maquis, i mean why do adults not allow people to do that.... and why do people look down on ideas that are not accepted |
| 03:23.17 | maquis | screen -p 0 -X eval 'stuff su\015' |
| 03:23.37 | maquis | screen -p 0 -X eva; 'stuff password\015' |
| 03:23.45 | Newsome | yep |
| 03:23.46 | sjansen | ~lart goozbach and emcnabb |
| 03:24.18 | maquis | xbmodder: because they're more mature and understand that it's stupid |
| 03:24.38 | TheDiff | or: because you live in a conservative area of the united states |
| 03:24.55 | TheDiff | socially conservative that is |
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| 03:25.29 | maquis | TheDiff: i don't think you can say that xbmodder lives someplace conservative |
| 03:25.43 | maquis | sjansen: glad to see that you appreciated it |
| 03:26.00 | xbmodder | california |
| 03:26.09 | xbmodder | liberalist capitol! |
| 03:26.16 | levi | Good evening. |
| 03:26.21 | xbmodder | we are near SFO and SJO and Berkeley |
| 03:26.44 | TheDiff | well, considering this is in #utah |
| 03:26.57 | TheDiff | i made a logical assumption, albeit incorrect |
| 03:26.58 | maquis | TheDiff: yeah |
| 03:27.22 | sjansen | xbmodder: The state of california is one big domed building? |
| 03:29.14 | sjansen | Although I suppose a capitol doesn't have to have a dome. ND has a sky scraper as their capitol... probably the only sky scraper in the state... other than grain towers. |
| 03:29.43 | TheDiff | haha |
| 03:29.55 | xbmodder | cool |
| 03:30.22 | levi | Mmm, potato gnocci with chunky tomato sauce. |
| 03:30.22 | TheDiff | i think oregon has more of a claim to liberalist capitol than CA |
| 03:31.30 | goozbach | ~taunt sjansen |
| 03:31.31 | ibot | ACTION folds a paper football and flicks it at sjansen |
| 03:31.34 | goozbach | ha ha |
| 03:31.47 | sjansen | ~crush goozbach |
| 03:31.50 | ibot | ACTION crushes goozbach with a full height scsi disk |
| 03:32.11 | goozbach | ohh! |
| 03:32.41 | goozbach | so I made it to my hotel without AN |
| 03:32.49 | goozbach | ANY directions whatsoever |
| 03:33.06 | goozbach | just an address and my brain |
| 03:33.18 | mheath | Hmm, I have a project idea, I was wondering if I could get some feedback on it |
| 03:33.19 | xbmodder | brain? |
| 03:33.24 | xbmodder | mheath, speak? |
| 03:33.32 | mheath | I have a java programming class, so it has to be java |
| 03:33.37 | goozbach | sweet! robot chicken |
| 03:33.54 | mheath | I'm considering working on a web portal system, kinda like Google's www.google.com/ig, coded with jsp pages |
| 03:33.59 | mheath | Only more features |
| 03:34.34 | mheath | IE, more e-mail functionality (more than just a list of your new messages), possibly Insant Messaging, a nice bookmark system, etc. etc. |
| 03:34.41 | TheDiff | real java, or java script |
| 03:34.49 | xbmodder | mheath, you know what'd be cool is ajax or java... instead of JSP |
| 03:34.55 | mheath | TheDiff, read what I said. |
| 03:35.06 | mheath | xbmodder, do you not know what JSP is? |
| 03:35.18 | TheDiff | mheath: um, okay. |
| 03:35.59 | mheath | xbmodder, you basically just said "What would be cool is java instead of java" |
| 03:36.32 | xbmodder | Java Script... |
| 03:36.39 | xbmodder | Like an entire portal in java. |
| 03:36.45 | mheath | how does JSP == Java Script? |
| 03:37.24 | mheath | xbmodder, google for "JavaServer Pages" |
| 03:37.30 | sjansen | TheDiff: So how was your day? |
| 03:37.50 | mheath | Anyway, my question: What would you like to see in a portal page? |
| 03:37.54 | xbmodder | oh... |
| 03:37.55 | xbmodder | :-/ |
| 03:38.01 | mheath | What would your dream portal homepage be able to do? |
| 03:38.07 | TheDiff | busy |
| 03:38.13 | xbmodder | mheath, IM, E-Mail, Search, News/ |
| 03:38.15 | goozbach | everything |
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| 03:40.29 | levi | I already have my dream portal homepage. It's completely blank. |
| 03:40.35 | TheDiff | haha |
| 03:40.47 | levi | I hate portal pages. |
| 03:40.57 | tensai | same. my homepage is about:blank |
| 03:40.59 | TheDiff | i'm just waiting for google to make calendaring |
| 03:41.02 | xbmodder | mheath, google.com |
| 03:41.19 | mheath | levi, I understand that mentality, and won't argue with you. But I'm looking for feedback from those who do like a portal page. |
| 03:41.27 | mheath | TheDiff, Good idea. Thanks for the suggestion :) |
| 03:41.43 | sjansen | My ideal portal would have my calendar, to-do list, e-mail, financial status, news, rss feeds, weather, and an active agent looking for information I'm interested in. |
| 03:41.49 | TheDiff | mheath: have you used Horde at all |
| 03:42.00 | xbmodder | mheath, and something that'd get me a job. |
| 03:42.01 | levi | mheath: So, you're planning on implementing a portal page with all this stuff on it in JSP? |
| 03:42.03 | sjansen | Ick. PHP |
| 03:42.09 | xbmodder | mheath, and something that'd be open-source |
| 03:42.14 | xbmodder | mheath, and expandible. |
| 03:42.26 | mheath | levi, yes. I don't care for JSP, but this is for a java programming class. |
| 03:42.33 | sjansen | And runs in 10 MB or RAM so I still have room for other stuff on my linode. |
| 03:42.37 | mheath | TheDiff, No, I haven't/ |
| 03:43.02 | TheDiff | its a webmail/portal project, they have alot of extensions you might want to check out for ideas |
| 03:43.13 | levi | mheath: Well, using JSP if you have to is no big deal, I just wonder if you're biting off a bit more than you can chew. |
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| 03:43.43 | TheDiff | http://www.horde.org/ |
| 03:44.00 | sjansen | levi: Oh, using JSP is a big deal. He needs to multiply by at least 3 compared to perl/pythong/ruby/php. |
| 03:44.21 | levi | sjansen: Rather, he needs to divide by 3 the amount he plans to accomplish! |
| 03:44.33 | sjansen | He's also biting off more than he can chew, but this is mheath. And who knows, maybe one day he'll pull off one of his crazy ideas and the world will be a better place. |
| 03:44.56 | mheath | levi, I'm not biting off more than I can chew. I'm very familiar with java, and very capable with it :) |
| 03:45.34 | xbmodder | mheath, you sound like my friend Micheal Harte :) |
| 03:45.58 | TheDiff | not to name names or anything |
| 03:46.25 | levi | mheath: What was the last big programming project you took up that you actually completed? |
| 03:46.51 | mheath | levi, xml-metafile-based package manager |
| 03:46.58 | mheath | Its still a work in progress, but its functional and stable. |
| 03:47.20 | levi | mheath: How long did it take you to write that? |
| 03:47.23 | mheath | Same with the core of my GNU/Linux software distribution |
| 03:47.50 | mheath | levi, the current utils for it are coded in java. I've put about 4 months of work in my java programming class towards it. |
| 03:48.51 | mheath | Give or take. *shrug* |
| 03:49.36 | mheath | levi, I'm just having trouble getting work done on my distro, because I keep getting sidetracked by side projects I want to include with it :) |
| 03:49.51 | levi | Okay, well, good luck with your web portal thing. I expect your feature list will shrink significantly as you start working on it. |
| 03:51.22 | TheDiff | mheath: how long do you have to work on the project |
| 03:51.36 | mheath | TheDiff, as long as I want, really |
| 03:51.56 | TheDiff | i thought it was for a class, you dont have a due date? |
| 03:51.57 | ScytheBlade1 | pfft, you haven't lived unless you have a project directory full of 2985 unfinished ones ;) |
| 03:51.59 | ScytheBlade1 | </new here> |
| 03:52.19 | mheath | I'm in an AP Java Programming class. I already passed the class and the AP test, just wanted to take it again to have some time to work on some stuff |
| 03:52.22 | sjansen | </growing moss here> |
| 03:52.36 | mheath | The teacher just expects some advanced work out of me. He isn't concerned about due dates, really. |
| 03:52.58 | sjansen | </getting kinda icky from people throwing rotten fruit here> |
| 03:53.26 | xbmodder | ScytheBlade1, hey |
| 03:53.38 | ScytheBlade1 | xbmodder, hey ;) |
| 03:53.48 | sjansen | ScytheBlade1: so which of our wonderful UGs did you discover? |
| 03:53.57 | ScytheBlade1 | plug was the first result |
| 03:54.02 | xbmodder | ScytheBlade1, Hi I'm Xbmodder, The wonderfully insane 14.8 year old RHCE |
| 03:54.10 | xbmodder | ~xbmodder |
| 03:54.12 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, xbmodder is a world record setting 14 year old great guy who lives in paradise |
| 03:54.18 | xbmodder | and thats Ibot. |
| 03:54.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm only 17, haha |
| 03:54.25 | xbmodder | Paradise=cali |
| 03:54.40 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, xbmodder is some 14 year old who lives in California, has absolutely no ties to Utah, yet still is in here. |
| 03:54.44 | mheath | We haven't quite figured out why. |
| 03:54.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah. |
| 03:54.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That explains it. |
| 03:54.55 | ScytheBlade1 | The name, too. |
| 03:55.01 | mheath | Yes. |
| 03:55.10 | TheDiff | 14 year olds know was irc is? |
| 03:55.15 | maquis | mheath: because he stalks emcnabb |
| 03:55.16 | sjansen | it's emcnabb's fault |
| 03:55.24 | TheDiff | i dont even know what irc is |
| 03:55.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I, however |
| 03:55.27 | ScytheBlade1 | actually live in utah ;) |
| 03:55.27 | xbmodder | TheDiff, my IRC first time was 11 |
| 03:55.28 | maquis | ~blame emcnabb |
| 03:55.29 | ibot | ACTION blames emcnabb for all the evil in the world |
| 03:55.34 | xbmodder | lol |
| 03:55.49 | levi | ScytheBlade1: Please tell me you're not a teenager, though. ;) |
| 03:55.51 | TheDiff | haha, 11 |
| 03:56.01 | ScytheBlade1 | "teenager" is relative |
| 03:56.09 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.15 | sjansen | TheDiff: See all that text on your screen? That's not IRC. |
| 03:56.19 | ScytheBlade1 | there aren't many 17 year olds who have filed bugs on the linux kernel and work $80/hour jobs :) |
| 03:56.34 | sjansen | TheDiff: See all the stuff flowing out of the circular filing cabinet next to your desk? That's IRC. |
| 03:56.36 | xbmodder | Internet Relay Chat. |
| 03:56.58 | TheDiff | my irc first time was like 20 |
| 03:57.09 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, I've worked for $120/hr before, and have done regular coding work for a kernel thats better than Linux =P |
| 03:57.14 | mheath | <flame> |
| 03:57.33 | ScytheBlade1 | define "better" ;) (curious) |
| 03:57.40 | sjansen | When I was 20, we didn't have any of this fancy IRC stuff. We threw rocks at each other. |
| 03:57.43 | sjansen | And we liked it. |
| 03:57.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I tried that once |
| 03:57.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Hit a girl in the head, it didn't work out so well |
| 03:58.02 | ScytheBlade1 | The whole bleeding thing |
| 03:58.04 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, the GNU operating system microkernel+system services daemons |
| 03:58.12 | mheath | GNU Mach+GNU Hurd |
| 03:58.13 | xbmodder | sjansen, its not our fault that you were born in the stone-age... |
| 03:58.17 | TheDiff | haha |
| 03:58.24 | TheDiff | mini Stallman over here |
| 03:58.56 | ScytheBlade1 | levi: why do you ask? ;) |
| 03:58.56 | sjansen | TheDiff: Oh no, he's not nearly as bad. (Any more.) |
| 03:59.13 | mheath | TheDiff, GNU Hurd lacks the stability and hardware support that Linux does, because it doesn't have as much support. But if you're familiar with the designs and features it posess, you'd have a hard time arguing that it isn't conceptually better than Linux. |
| 03:59.19 | mheath | *Linux has |
| 03:59.35 | TheDiff | i know, i took OS |
| 03:59.41 | TheDiff | realism vs idealism at this point |
| 03:59.45 | levi | ScytheBlade1: Oh, I'm an old man and teenagers annoy me. ;) |
| 03:59.47 | mheath | TheDiff, idealism? |
| 03:59.50 | TheDiff | brb, family guy |
| 03:59.53 | mheath | TheDiff, its a stable, functioning operating system kernel |
| 03:59.57 | ScytheBlade1 | define "old" ;) |
| 04:00.03 | sjansen | And free food delivered to my front door every morning no strings attached is conceptually better. But it ain't happening any time soon. |
| 04:00.53 | levi | ScytheBlade1: Like, I'll be 30 in about a year. |
| 04:01.10 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, the $120/hr was some photography work I did for...an hour =P |
| 04:01.18 | mheath | $80/hr is pretty impressive. |
| 04:01.22 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, yeah, you can die too :) |
| 04:01.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 04:01.33 | ScytheBlade1 | levi: heh, you could be quite a bit older ;) |
| 04:01.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I work at $80/hour |
| 04:01.53 | ScytheBlade1 | .....when things break |
| 04:01.57 | mheath | I'm already financially stable for the rest of my life, and thats all I care about. |
| 04:02.07 | ScytheBlade1 | net amount I've made working that job: $0 |
| 04:02.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 04:02.25 | levi | ScytheBlade1: Sure, but I'm old enough to be annoyed by teenagers! That's the privilege of age, my friend. :) |
| 04:02.29 | sjansen | which is, of course, why mheath introduced himself by saying "I've worked for $120/hr before, and have done regular coding work ... " |
| 04:02.55 | ScytheBlade1 | levi: Well I can hope not to prove too much of an annoyance, I'm rather enjoying this channel so far ;) |
| 04:02.58 | mheath | sjansen, It was a half joking reply to ScytheBlade1's similar claims. |
| 04:03.12 | levi | ScytheBlade1: Well, perhaps. We'll see! |
| 04:03.19 | ScytheBlade1 | fair enough, haha |
| 04:03.41 | sjansen | mheath: ah, missed that |
| 04:04.05 | ScytheBlade1 | sjansen, yeah, high-paying jobs that last 0 to 1 hours are fun ;) |
| 04:05.11 | sjansen | good point... if I learn to pick up pennies fast enough, there's no theoretical limit to how much I could claim to earn per hour |
| 04:05.25 | mheath | sjansen, and, if you I cared about money, do you think I'd be choosing the profession that I am? :P |
| 04:05.32 | sjansen | well, I suppose there is that whole annoying speed of light thing to deal with... |
| 04:05.40 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, minor detail |
| 04:06.19 | sjansen | but for sufficiently close pennies I should be able to approximate an infinite rate |
| 04:06.36 | ScytheBlade1 | levi: well, actually, question: what would you define a teenager as? (I'm hoping for something other than an age range, haha) |
| 04:07.10 | mheath | then again, you probably don't remember what profession I've chosen. |
| 04:07.24 | sjansen | ScytheBlade1: His definition is probaly close to mine -- young, inexperienced, and annoying |
| 04:08.00 | sjansen | Take away young but keep the other two and you become stupid instead of a teenager. |
| 04:08.14 | levi | ScytheBlade1: sjansen is right, and it just so happens that the literal definition of 'teenager' matches up pretty well, too. |
| 04:08.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm guilty of the first, some times the latter, hard to say how you'd judge the central one there though |
| 04:08.45 | levi | ScytheBlade1: Anyway, I don't really mean to pre-judge you in particular. |
| 04:08.53 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, no worries |
| 04:08.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I've been here all of 20 minutes ;) |
| 04:09.40 | mheath | semi-AFK |
| 04:10.54 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, guess how old I am? |
| 04:11.02 | mheath | I'm curious what your impressions are. |
| 04:11.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I really can't tell age over something like this |
| 04:11.30 | mheath | Tell me your guess. |
| 04:11.39 | ScytheBlade1 | sjansen and levi here have defined what they consider a teenager, which tells me where they are |
| 04:11.47 | ScytheBlade1 | a guess, huh |
| 04:12.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll pick a random number from 12 and 50 and have to bet on 25? ish? maybe? |
| 04:12.42 | mheath | I'm rather insulted that you started the range with 12. |
| 04:12.48 | mheath | :P |
| 04:12.51 | levi | Poor mheath. |
| 04:12.53 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 04:13.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry? ;) |
| 04:13.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I actually have a friend who was doing ASM at 11 |
| 04:13.17 | tensai | ScytheBlade1: don't forget he mentioned his taking an AP class. that should give you a hint. |
| 04:13.22 | mheath | levi, Everyone thinks I'm older than I am, even in person. |
| 04:13.24 | tensai | s/his/he's/ |
| 04:13.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I was doing QBasic at 5 |
| 04:13.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ah, yes, point well taken |
| 04:13.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd have to bet senior on high school then |
| 04:14.06 | ScytheBlade1 | *in |
| 04:14.17 | mheath | Many people think I'm around 20, too, when they see me in uniform. |
| 04:14.22 | ScytheBlade1 | (which is what I am, actually) |
| 04:14.50 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, really in all truth, age means nothing to me on IRC |
| 04:14.57 | ScytheBlade1 | you're just another person who happens to be here ;) |
| 04:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | likewise I really can't tell |
| 04:16.16 | levi | mheath: I wouldn't necessarily have guessed your age ouside of obvious clues you dropped, but your inability to consider that you might be wrong once in a while is a pretty clear teenage trait. |
| 04:17.08 | mheath | levi, I very much realize that I am wrong once in a while. |
| 04:17.12 | tensai | ha, ha. tv reporters whose stories feel like a powerpoint presentation make me laugh. "star wipe to flanders in the library" |
| 04:17.13 | mheath | Infact, I'm wrong quite often. |
| 04:17.25 | ScytheBlade1 | my "contribution" to OSS in general has been #pxe... I poked around enough with PXE and netbooting, and then documented it all... just recently I had a guy with two kids come in and ask for help with a rather large project, and he was shocked to learn that I was in high school. |
| 04:18.00 | levi | mheath: Yeah, but you never admit it here. |
| 04:18.30 | maquis | mheath: i'm with levi on that point... |
| 04:18.51 | mheath | *shrug* Whatever. |
| 04:19.04 | levi | mheath: I mean, you've argued some downright silly things on occasion. Remember that 'OOP makes lazy programmers' discussion? |
| 04:19.14 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, where do you go to school currently? |
| 04:19.27 | sjansen | levi: So how's that different from my crotchety behavior? |
| 04:19.55 | levi | mheath: Anyway, I expect you'll have grown out of it by the time you finish your time in the Navy. |
| 04:20.33 | mheath | levi, my point was more OOP makes inferior programmers, and I still stand by that point :) |
| 04:20.44 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, a highschool. |
| 04:20.59 | ScytheBlade1 | judging by the AP class, I gussed as much ;) |
| 04:21.04 | ScytheBlade1 | as do I, mind if I ask which? |
| 04:21.13 | mheath | Bonneville High School. |
| 04:21.43 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 04:22.03 | ScytheBlade1 | wow, your website has sickening amounts of flash |
| 04:22.03 | levi | sjansen: xbmodder, too. Maybe the proceeds from the tickets will pay to fly him in. |
| 04:22.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Bingham High here |
| 04:22.14 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, I know. I hate it. |
| 04:22.27 | mheath | I've tried to tell him to stop that nastiness, several times. |
| 04:23.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I was "fortunate" enough to be noticed by a teacher that I could do webpage, then more or less forced to maintain my schools |
| 04:23.14 | ScytheBlade1 | none of that nasty stuff for me :) |
| 04:23.20 | xbmodder | ? |
| 04:23.53 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, meh, my teacher knows I'm good at webpage design |
| 04:24.04 | mheath | He's constantly asking me questions about PHP, because he uses it some in his webpage design class. |
| 04:24.21 | mheath | I'm just not interested enough to work on that school webpage myself |
| 04:24.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I dearly wish that my school had a competent higher-level programming class of any sort |
| 04:25.13 | mheath | I think I'm going to expand on that portal idea |
| 04:25.27 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:25.28 | mheath | Work towards a modulated, complete web-based desktop environment |
| 04:25.32 | ScytheBlade1 | sjansen, I don't have long ;) |
| 04:25.50 | mheath | Nor do I. This time next year, I'll be in Illinois. |
| 04:26.06 | levi | ScytheBlade1: sjansen means he's graduated from a university. :) |
| 04:26.35 | ScytheBlade1 | doh. |
| 04:26.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I'm a little slow to remember things at times ;) |
| 04:27.02 | ScytheBlade1 | "at times" <-- take that with a grain of salt |
| 04:27.41 | mheath | Instant Messaging, Word Processing, a full E-mail client, etc., etc. all from your web browser |
| 04:28.02 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:28.10 | ScytheBlade1 | have at it, I'm going for the night ;) |
| 04:28.22 | ScytheBlade1 | get mheath out of here and you won't need too ;) |
| 04:28.30 | levi | ScytheBlade1: Seeya 'round. |
| 04:28.36 | ScytheBlade1 | night |
| 04:28.39 | tensai | I'll wager I've had my nick registered longer than anybody here but chanserv or ibot |
| 04:28.42 | xbmodder | sjansen, taken ;-) |
| 04:29.03 | ScytheBlade1 | nice meeting you all, nice to know that there's some competency nearby, and not just windows users :P |
| 04:29.03 | mheath | levi, whats funny about that? You could create terminals with almost nothing running locally, a complete desktop system running entirely off the server. |
| 04:29.08 | levi | I had a long IRC hiatus. |
| 04:29.20 | sjansen | We could play scrabble and compare oatmeal recipes... now doesn't that sound nice? |
| 04:29.21 | levi | mheath: Oh, the idea itself isn't funny. |
| 04:29.31 | tensai | wadda ya know, chanserv isn't registered and I beat ibot by almost a year |
| 04:29.42 | tensai | ibot: in your face! |
| 04:29.44 | xbmodder | lol |
| 04:29.49 | levi | mheath: The fact that you think you could actually implement all that before you graduate is, though. |
| 04:30.15 | tensai | sjansen: I've got a great granola recipe. is that close enough? |
| 04:30.24 | mheath | levi, who said I needed ti implement it before I graduate?\ |
| 04:30.48 | levi | mheath: Well, how long between when you graduate and when you ship out? |
| 04:31.10 | mheath | levi, 2 to 14 months. |
| 04:31.40 | sjansen | levi: some people putter around with useless old cars that will never run again, mheath spends his time working on projects no one will ever use -- how is one worse than the other? |
| 04:31.50 | levi | mheath: Your idea, if you wanted to do it properly, would take years for a single person to implement. |
| 04:32.02 | xbmodder | True mheath... |
| 04:32.03 | sjansen | considering most of us do nothing more than sit around in IRC flapping our gums |
| 04:32.13 | mheath | levi, well, nows a good time to start then, isn't it? |
| 04:32.43 | mheath | Carpe Diem :) |
| 04:32.53 | maquis | tensai: chanserv isn't registered? |
| 04:33.03 | sjansen | where years are defined as decades so long as we don't achieve a major break through in software development |
| 04:33.10 | tensai | maquis: not with nickserv |
| 04:33.18 | maquis | tensai: hmmm... |
| 04:33.22 | maquis | that could be useful to know |
| 04:33.44 | levi | mheath: I'm just saying you might want to work on something you might be able to finish. Then you could add extra features on. |
| 04:33.55 | sjansen | ChanServ is probably an integral part of the IRC server, not unlike Linux kernel processes |
| 04:34.12 | maquis | hmmm |
| 04:34.33 | maquis | tensai: how did you figure that out? |
| 04:34.51 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.09 | maquis | hmmm |
| 04:35.24 | maquis | ~lart {-} |
| 04:35.42 | {-} | sadly, {- isn't a valid nick last I checked |
| 04:36.14 | {-} | How about we meet in the middle? |
| 04:36.31 | tensai | {-}: maybe split the other way. `-' |
| 04:37.43 | {- | well, how do you like that |
| 04:37.51 | {- | {- was the valid one, -} isn't valid |
| 04:43.44 | levi | sjansen: You might find these interesting: http://scpd.stanford.edu/scpd/students/Dam_ui/pages/ArchivedVideoList56K.asp?Include=knuthOther |
| 04:46.10 | sjansen | ~lart sites that require cookies |
| 04:47.37 | sjansen | cool, but give me one reason I needed a cookie to see that page? |
| 04:49.15 | levi | sjansen: I don't care about your cookie hangups, so I don't think I will. |
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| 05:10.51 | TheDiff | who was the guy in here who does embedded work? |
| 05:11.00 | levi | Me. |
| 05:14.04 | TheDiff | levi: Who do you work for? |
| 05:14.17 | levi | TheDiff: Linux Networx |
| 05:14.18 | TheDiff | and what other companies are in utah that do embedded stuff |
| 05:14.34 | TheDiff | levi: how many employees do they have |
| 05:14.38 | levi | I'm not sure who else does embedded stuff, off the top of my head. |
| 05:14.50 | levi | TheDiff: A couple hundred right now, I believe. |
| 05:15.03 | TheDiff | pretty decent size |
| 05:15.10 | levi | TheDiff: Our primary product is supercomputing clusters, though, not embedded stuff. |
| 05:15.41 | xbmodder | levi, have you benchmarked mdcrack on one? |
| 05:15.42 | levi | TheDiff: We do develop LinuxBIOS, though, which is kind of on the same level as embedded systems. |
| 05:15.49 | levi | xbmodder: No. |
| 05:15.58 | xbmodder | that'd be cool... |
| 05:16.03 | levi | xbmodder: No, it wouldn't. |
| 05:16.08 | xbmodder | levi, LinuxBIOS needs more development |
| 05:16.11 | xbmodder | levi, why not? |
| 05:16.23 | TheDiff | hmm |
| 05:16.29 | levi | xbmodder: Far less cool than real benchmarks that will help sell the clusters. |
| 05:16.59 | xbmodder | levi, do you have a benchmark page? |
| 05:17.13 | levi | xbmodder: Me, or my company? |
| 05:17.19 | xbmodder | both |
| 05:17.25 | levi | xbmodder: I don't, my company might, but I don't know. |
| 05:17.44 | TheDiff | i've been having a hell of a time finding what i'm interested in, in utah |
| 05:21.00 | levi | Well, it sounds like your interests are somewhat narrow and academically-oriented. |
| 05:27.50 | TheDiff | um, i dont think 'embedded systems' would qualify as narrow |
| 05:27.59 | TheDiff | but academically oriented yes |
| 05:29.12 | TheDiff | considering that im looking at applying to PhD programs, so a research position would benefit me far more than a standard internship |
| 05:29.28 | levi | Well, I didn't mean that embedded systems was narrow, just that academically-oriented embedded systems is narrow. |
| 05:35.39 | TheDiff | at this point, i'm really just trying to scope out what is available out there |
| 05:36.18 | TheDiff | as far as companies that could actually use a CPE, and are in a position to take on an intern |
| 05:44.22 | levi | Sorry, I don't really know. |
| 05:44.24 | levi | And I need to sleep now. |
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| 12:49.35 | bonez39 | any apache gurus....near Sandy/Draper/Salt Lake? |
| 12:49.58 | bonez39 | I need to find one...who knows apache...and debian..and has a bad back....that I can trade services with |
| 12:50.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ohhh |
| 12:50.16 | ScytheBlade1 | that's kinda tempting |
| 12:50.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ......except that I'm leaving to school right now. |
| 12:51.24 | ScytheBlade1 | what do you need exactly? |
| 12:58.19 | ScytheBlade1 | actually, I'm leaving, you know, now |
| 12:58.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll be back around 3:00-3:15 ish though if you still haven't found anyone (which I doubt) |
| 12:59.57 | bonez39 | if I write an email .. in mutt for example..and accidentally close it, without postponing...does the message I typed up...get stored somwerhe, where I could retrieve it? |
| 13:00.56 | graphyx | morning everybody |
| 13:01.32 | bonez39 | hi graphyx |
| 13:01.41 | bonez39 | scy |
| 13:01.45 | bonez39 | ScytheBlade1, still here? |
| 13:04.10 | graphyx | bonez39: bad back? Why does that help? Are you a chiropractor? |
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| 13:05.58 | bonez39 | graphyx, yeah, I am a chiropractor.... |
| 13:06.19 | bonez39 | graphyx, was hoping to find someone who had a need I could fill, while they helped me get apache and a few other things cleaned up... |
| 13:06.45 | graphyx | I have friend who can take care of debian and apache. |
| 13:06.54 | graphyx | Let me see if he or his wife needs any such help. |
| 13:07.08 | bonez39 | really....I'd be much obliged....wife, kids.....inlaws, outlaws..ehhehe...glad to help whomever... |
| 13:07.59 | bonez39 | thanks....she's welcome or he is...either way, to call before, to 'interview me' to see if it woudl be a good 'fit' for us both.... |
| 13:08.09 | graphyx | fair nuf. |
| 13:08.16 | graphyx | got an email? |
| 13:08.23 | bonez39 | email to scott@fyrenice.com |
| 13:08.47 | bonez39 | what's funny with my apache troubles...clearly my domain, fyrenice.com works..just not the web server on the machine it's routed to..... |
| 13:08.55 | bonez39 | I am sure it's something terribly simple... |
| 13:27.43 | graphyx | Usually is. |
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| 14:32.11 | maquis | anyone know how i can get a mail spool on my box if i originally created my user without one? |
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| 14:35.17 | Supaplex | $MAIL ? |
| 14:43.36 | maquis | [osiris erins] echo $MAIL |
| 14:43.36 | maquis | /var/spool/mail/erins |
| 14:43.36 | maquis | [osiris erins] ls /var/spool/mail |
| 14:43.36 | maquis | root |
| 14:43.37 | maquis | [osiris erins] echo $MAIL |
| 14:43.38 | maquis | /var/spool/mail/erins |
| 14:43.41 | maquis | [osiris erins] ls /var/spool/mail |
| 14:43.43 | maquis | root |
| 14:43.46 | maquis | oops |
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| 14:47.28 | elg | wow, the tr-1 really does look like an ipod |
| 14:47.29 | elg | http://people.msoe.edu/~reyer/regency/ |
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| 15:13.57 | elg | jsmith: does any method of purchase benefit you more |
| 15:14.03 | elg | than the others |
| 15:15.19 | Jayce^ | elg, yes, writing out a check for 2x the value of the book directly to him, and having him give you one of his copies.. |
| 15:15.27 | elg | :) |
| 15:15.40 | elg | method of purchase that isn't significantly more expensive to me. :) |
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| 15:16.30 | graphyx | elg: get a scanned copy from someone else and writing him a check for the retail value of the book? |
| 15:16.56 | graphyx | I mean if you have the author's permission is it still copyright theft? |
| 15:20.52 | RyanE | graphyx: I know you're probably being facetious, but yes it is. 1) jsmith is not the only author 2) the publisher likely holds copyright. |
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| 15:31.10 | jsmith | elg: Nope... |
| 15:31.45 | jsmith | RyanE: Yes, there are three authors, and Yes, the publisher holds the copyright. |
| 15:33.42 | vontrapp | Date in ruby has parameters for to_s |
| 15:33.49 | vontrapp | for example to_s(:long) |
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| 15:34.11 | vontrapp | where can i find a list of all the bounteous possibilities? |
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| 15:35.59 | graphyx | RyanE: Mainly trying to be funny. |
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| 16:21.09 | maquis | question for people |
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| 16:21.17 | maquis | is there a way to get the kernel source from yum? |
| 16:22.10 | Newsome | maquis: wouldn't this do it? yum source kernel |
| 16:22.26 | maquis | nope... |
| 16:22.34 | Newsome | hmm, guess not... |
| 16:22.39 | maquis | the man page for yum doesn't even mention source anywhere... |
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| 16:35.12 | harleypig | AGGHHH!! Idiots next door are playing with electricity. This last time our power went out my mozilla installation got corrupted! |
| 16:35.23 | harleypig | Lost all of my tabs dangit! |
| 16:35.41 | Jayce^ | ~lart harleypi1 |
| 16:35.56 | levi | Uh oh, it's a bad idea to make harleypig lose his tabs! |
| 16:36.08 | harleypig | :D |
| 16:36.33 | harleypig | I had over 30 open, some I'd been keeping going for weeks. *sigh* |
| 16:36.37 | Jayce^ | oh, *browser* tabs... :) with harleypig you never know.. |
| 16:36.53 | harleypig | microdots ... mmmm good. |
| 16:37.09 | levi | harleypig: You need an extension that keeps track of your tabs and restores them after a crash. :) |
| 16:37.33 | harleypig | levi: I've got it. My *installation* was corrupted, lost *all* of my extensions and tweaks. |
| 16:37.42 | levi | Oooh, yuck. |
| 16:38.23 | harleypig | Fortunately, I had the extension that syncs my booksmarks and uploads a list of installed extensions so I'm just clicking on the file to install them |
| 16:38.26 | harleypig | but it's still a pain. |
| 16:38.26 | Jayce^ | correction harleypig ... you *had* it |
| 16:38.34 | maquis | GAAAHHHHH!!!! |
| 16:38.46 | harleypig | Jayce^: No, I have it again. It was the first one I installed. |
| 16:38.56 | harleypig | maquis: Find a spider in your milk? |
| 16:39.02 | levi | maquis: No, the line is: KHAAAAAAAAAANNN!!! |
| 16:39.06 | maquis | harleypig: no... |
| 16:39.17 | maquis | i'm just getting frustrated |
| 16:39.39 | harleypig | Ah. |
| 16:39.44 | maquis | i want to use a redhat kernel with some changes |
| 16:39.47 | harleypig | Computers and SO's will do that to you. |
| 16:40.07 | harleypig | For some reason, I parsed that as redheaded ... |
| 16:40.25 | maquis | so, i'm trying to figure out how to give it a specific .config |
| 16:41.32 | elg | maquis: use cp |
| 16:41.49 | maquis | elg: ?? |
| 16:42.09 | elg | cd /usr/src/linux; cp /path/to/some/config .config |
| 16:42.13 | elg | make oldconfig |
| 16:42.30 | maquis | i can't rebuild the kernel because it won't give me the source... unless i want to use an unpatched, non-redhat kernel |
| 16:42.58 | harleypig | ? What do you mean, won't give you the source? |
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| 16:43.35 | maquis | i can't just get a patched redhat kernel into /usr/src/linux.... it's only giving me the headers, no matter what i do |
| 16:43.59 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
| 16:44.16 | levi | maquis: Why do you want to use a patched redhat kernel? |
| 16:44.17 | maquis | ~bart SpecialZ |
| 16:44.18 | ibot | ACTION forces SpecialZ to eat her shorts |
| 16:44.37 | maquis | levi: simply because most things are working correctly right now ,and i don't feel like breaking anything at the moment |
| 16:44.50 | maquis | i just want to change like 3 things |
| 16:44.57 | levi | Heh. |
| 16:45.05 | levi | What 3 things? |
| 16:45.23 | harleypig | maquis: So you're trying to use a srpm for the kernel? |
| 16:45.58 | maquis | harleypig: yes |
| 16:46.02 | maquis | levi: acpi |
| 16:46.14 | maquis | they have swsusp off, and a bunch of other acpi things off |
| 16:46.45 | harleypig | Are you sure the rpm has the full source and not just the headers? |
| 16:46.53 | jsmith | maquis: If you're using the FC4 kernel, don't use version 1447 -- ACPI is toally hosed :-) |
| 16:48.01 | maquis | ???? |
| 16:50.32 | tensai | http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/4/i386/os/SRPMS/kernel-2.6.11-1.1369_FC4.src.rpm |
| 16:50.47 | tensai | I'm no fedora expert, but that seems promising |
| 16:51.41 | tensai | or http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/4/SRPMS/kernel-2.6.12-1.1456_FC4.src.rpm |
| 16:53.25 | bonez39 | is there a way to search on a site, to find a folder with PDA content....for example, to find a /palm-pilot/ folder if a site publishes content formatted for Palm platform? |
| 16:56.53 | RyanE | bonez39: you could do a site-specific google search for that string. |
| 16:57.02 | RyanE | bonez39: what you looking for? |
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| 16:58.25 | graphyx | Hey anyone work with ldap? What is the potential for exploitation with allowing null bind ldap on a solaris system? |
| 16:59.33 | bonez39 | RyanE, looking for content..... for plucker..to read...if I download a .pdb file, that can install directly, but also if a site publishes content compressed for a PDA and if they have it marked as such, I could have plucker download it and create the .pdb for information that updates frequently |
| 17:00.42 | RyanE | bonez39: ah. I used to download the local papers to my palm pilot in pdb format (for iSilo) daily. Now I usually just suck content into mht format, since my palmpilot browser accepts that. |
| 17:02.08 | tensai | graphyx: null bind, do you mean anonymous bind? it depends on what's in the ldap directory. have you tried walking it? ldapsearch -x -b dc=example,dc=com -s sub '(objectclass=*)' |
| 17:09.36 | bonez39 | what is mht format? |
| 17:11.20 | RyanE | web archive format. |
| 17:11.53 | RyanE | it's one of the ways you can save out web pages, as a complete page. It's basically a mime-packaged webpage and it's images. |
| 17:12.28 | RyanE | my Sony Clie uses that to store pages, so I wrote a script to grab pages (and sets of pages) and package them in mht for my palmpilot. |
| 17:17.01 | tensai | maquis: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/4283054.stm |
| 17:17.07 | tensai | maquis: that your school? |
| 17:36.07 | maquis | tensai: yup |
| 17:38.05 | maquis | the slightly scary thing is that it's not at all unexpected from my pov |
| 17:38.25 | maquis | we've had $11m donations from him and paul before |
| 17:39.04 | maquis | (there's a building on the campus called Allen-Gates) |
| 17:41.21 | elg | ok, everyone, it's a momentous day. the day I spend more than 5 minutes with Access |
| 17:41.38 | maquis | ick |
| 17:41.43 | elg | yeah |
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| 17:43.48 | elg | wonder if he was looking for me. |
| 18:09.09 | maquis | ls |
| 18:10.23 | tensai | bin boot cdrom cdrom0 dev etc floppy home initrd lib media mnt opt proc root sbin srv sys tmp usr var |
| 18:10.48 | maquis | tensai: thanks :) |
| 18:27.57 | elg | yikes. front page now too |
| 18:28.00 | elg | this might be too much |
| 18:29.43 | tensai | poor poor elg |
| 18:30.41 | maquis | elg: why???? |
| 18:30.43 | maquis | that's hideous and painful |
| 18:32.32 | tensai | it's cruel and unusual punishment is what it is |
| 18:32.48 | tensai | (although not unusual enough, unfortunately) |
| 18:33.28 | elg | working through the labs for the class I'm TAing |
| 18:33.51 | elg | that was quick enough though. just had to make a page with a title, two paragraphs, and a picture |
| 18:34.04 | elg | so no more frontpage. only have powerpoint left. |
| 18:34.17 | tensai | they're making you force it on others? inhumane! |
| 18:34.20 | elg | oh, and VB |
| 18:34.31 | elg | no, I just help others through their torture sessions. :) |
| 18:34.50 | tensai | did they give you a nice black hood to conceal your identity? |
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| 18:35.06 | tensai | ooh, and an axe |
| 18:35.11 | elg | no, but they gave me a cool NMSU Computer Sciecne lanyard with a name tag |
| 18:35.21 | elg | maybe I'll get to keep the lanyard |
| 18:35.32 | tensai | is it really misspelled? :P |
| 18:35.40 | elg | not to mention, in-state tuition and paying 70% of health insurance |
| 18:35.43 | elg | no ;) |
| 18:36.07 | maquis | elg: you have to touch VB? |
| 18:36.25 | elg | yup |
| 18:38.13 | elg | 40 pages to tell me how to code up hello world in VB |
| 18:38.28 | graphyx | tensai: Sorry I was gone at lunch. I mean if I can do an anonymous bind remotely (external internet access) what is the liability? I am trying to judge a nasl's value. This is on solaris, if that makes any difference. |
| 18:38.36 | elg | .net, even |
| 18:39.10 | elg | if you can bind to their ldap server remotely, you can read the data they store in it |
| 18:39.22 | elg | the data that anonymous binds can read, that is |
| 18:40.21 | elg | and you can write whatever anonymous binds can write, but that would probably be nothing |
| 18:40.25 | tensai | elg: I was just going to clarify that |
| 18:40.45 | tensai | openldap disallows any writes from anonymous |
| 18:40.58 | tensai | even if it's configured to allow it |
| 18:42.05 | elg | so 107.5 becomes 101.9 today, but what happens to the weasel station? |
| 18:42.09 | tensai | graphyx: so, like elg says it's a point of information leakage if it's not intended. if they store host configurations in ldap, that would probably be bad |
| 18:42.54 | tensai | if it's an address book, then perhaps you can get all the employee's phone numbers and managers. maybe even passwords, but I'd bet against it. |
| 18:43.17 | elg | is byu's still wide open? |
| 18:43.40 | tensai | not to me |
| 18:43.44 | levi | elg: What's the weasel station? |
| 18:43.57 | levi | elg: And the changeover was last Thursday. |
| 18:44.15 | elg | pop |
| 18:44.29 | levi | elg: It's totally gone, apparently. |
| 18:44.33 | elg | so it was. I just got an email today about it, didn't catch that it was thursday |
| 18:44.37 | elg | well good riddance |
| 18:44.40 | levi | elg: Indeed. |
| 18:44.46 | tensai | why in the world did they change frequency? |
| 18:44.56 | elg | although the gimmick when they were doing all kinds of pop ditties in between songs, they had some interesting ones |
| 18:45.15 | elg | signal strength |
| 18:45.27 | elg | i don't get how they can still call themselves the end though |
| 18:45.35 | elg | since they're not at the end anymore |
| 18:45.59 | levi | elg: For the first couple of days, they broadcast the same thing on both stations, but now they're broadcasting stuff telling you to switch to 101.9. |
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| 18:46.23 | levi | elg: Well, they say they might as well still be the end, since there's nothing good past there anyway. ;) |
| 18:46.49 | levi | Apparently there's some sort of old-school country station going in on 107.5 soon. |
| 18:46.55 | RyanE | yeah, and unfortunately, my reception *worsened* with the switch. |
| 18:53.36 | elg | levi: yu're not being fair. let's not forget christmastime on 106.5 ;-) |
| 18:54.28 | Jayce^ | RyanE, ditto |
| 18:54.31 | levi | elg: Christmas music?! Ugh. I enjoy listening to it about a week or so around Christmas, yet I'm forced to hear it for months. Don't talk to me about Christmas music. :P |
| 18:54.36 | Jayce^ | EM used to have perfect reception |
| 18:55.20 | elg | levi: you mean you don't like hearing every christmas song ever written 20 times a week? |
| 18:55.28 | levi | elg: NO! |
| 18:55.44 | Jayce^ | levi == scrooge! |
| 18:55.48 | Jayce^ | :-p |
| 18:55.56 | elg | have you stopped beating your elf yet? |
| 18:56.38 | levi | I thoroughly enjoy Christmas for about a week. Outside of that, I want to hit people who insist on being 'festive'. :P |
| 18:56.52 | levi | If that makes me a Scrooge, so be it! |
| 18:57.14 | levi | I, however, believe a Scrooge doesn't enjoy Christmas at all, and that is not the case with me. |
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| 18:58.09 | Jayce^ | levi, aren't you happy that stores have already started stocking christmas stuff? |
| 18:58.27 | levi | Jayce^: Fortunately, I haven't had to see evidence of that. |
| 18:58.34 | Jayce^ | ugh, I have, be warned |
| 18:59.26 | tensai | our walmart started putting out christmas stuff to replace the garden department at the beginning of september |
| 18:59.42 | tensai | it's quite "festive" in there now |
| 18:59.59 | levi | I try to avoid that section of Wal Mart when I'm forced to go there. |
| 19:01.56 | tensai | my son loves to look at the fish which are right down there |
| 19:09.58 | tensai | maquis: I love Christmas. I hate stores trying to shove it down my throat in September. |
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| 19:12.52 | Jayce^ | Christmas decorations are great... starting the day after thanksgiving.. |
| 19:12.54 | Jayce^ | not a day before |
| 19:14.38 | tensai | ~Jayce^++ |
| 19:50.27 | vontrapp | christmas music is great, starting july 4th |
| 19:50.56 | scott | christmas candy is great all year round |
| 19:52.11 | levi | Candy, perhaps. Music, no. |
| 19:52.37 | tensai | scott: yes. vontrapp: ok, maybe but just John Denver and the Muppets |
| 19:53.54 | levi | Such a large percentage of Christmas music is so trite and gimmicky it makes me sick. Maybe one of these years I'll occupy myself during a vacation day or two putting together some Christmas music that doesn't suck to listen to when Christmas music is demanded. |
| 19:56.09 | levi | Umm. I think that would probably qualify as gimmicky, at least. :) |
| 19:57.08 | linuxalien | hehe |
| 19:57.26 | vontrapp | i get worse reception too, with the end switch |
| 19:57.43 | vontrapp | and it's sandwitched right between a country station and a mexican station |
| 19:58.06 | levi | My 101.9 reception is better in some places than 107.5, and worse in other places. |
| 19:58.07 | vontrapp | i sometimes get accidental exposure to both |
| 19:58.30 | levi | I only listen when I'm in the car, so the change hasn't had much effect on me. |
| 19:58.48 | tensai | levi: I had the same problem until I got my mp3 player. podcasts all day, baby |
| 19:58.54 | vontrapp | my car has an old school dial tuner |
| 19:59.17 | vontrapp | which changes frequency with changes in temperature, so i'm always correcting |
| 19:59.21 | levi | Heh. |
| 19:59.30 | levi | Silly frugal Fugals. |
| 19:59.37 | vontrapp | :) |
| 19:59.54 | levi | Do you have a tape deck? |
| 20:00.01 | vontrapp | had, it kinda died |
| 20:00.08 | levi | You could get a tape adapter and a cheap FM radio. |
| 20:00.23 | vontrapp | but i have an 1/8" input jack, wich is the sweetest thing ever for a car stereo |
| 20:00.44 | levi | Oh, well, then you don't even need the adapter. |
| 20:00.50 | vontrapp | ;) |
| 20:01.22 | levi | My stereo in the Miata has an aux input jack, but I blew the fuse on my amp, so it makes no music. :) |
| 20:02.56 | vontrapp | my freakin coworker won the Mustang x98 was giving away |
| 20:05.46 | RyanE | levi: they *do* sell fuses, you know. :) |
| 20:06.27 | levi | RyanE: Well, I don't drive the Miata lately, since my rear tires have become slicks and I don't want to cord them before I get replacements. |
| 20:06.52 | vontrapp | they *do* sell tires, too ;) |
| 20:06.58 | RyanE | *hahahahhaa* |
| 20:07.00 | goozbach | I love robot chicken |
| 20:07.24 | RyanE | levi: So what do you drive instead? Seems like the Miata would be pretty good on the old gas mileage. |
| 20:08.00 | levi | vontrapp: Of course, but it's expensive to get a pair of quality tires, have them mounted and balanced, and have the alignment done, which I suspect is why the current tires got worn out so fas.t |
| 20:08.20 | levi | RyanE: It's not too bad, but the mileage went down a bit when I installed the turbo, and now it takes premium. |
| 20:08.57 | levi | RyanE: Plus, I need to do an engine flush with some cleaning oil to see if I can get the lifters to stop clattering. |
| 20:09.21 | levi | All of which takes time and money, which I have less of than I'd like. :) |
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| 20:29.15 | scott | tensai: I've listened to a few podcasts but was disappointed with two aspects: first, most of them (with the exception of NPR's podcasts) are absolutely amateur quality with horrible hosts making lifeless comments and second, it takes 50 minutes to listen to what could be read in a few minutes, so unless the presentation is entertaining or accomplished itself then the medium is unimpressive. |
| 20:33.02 | tensai | scott: yeah, lots of amateurs. I've got a few amateur podcasts that are still good, but most are professional |
| 20:33.24 | tensai | currently I have 19 that I'm subscribed to |
| 20:33.24 | graphyx | scott: I always figured a podcast was best used for a period when you would be unable to read and only have to pay a little attention to what was going on. |
| 20:33.46 | tensai | I listen while I work and while I drive which, like graphyx said, are times when it's hard to read |
| 20:34.51 | graphyx | What format are podcasts usually in? |
| 20:35.09 | graphyx | Are they usually in a format that only plays on an ipod? |
| 20:35.27 | graphyx | I just listen to music at work, but would rather listen to something at least related to the field... |
| 20:35.46 | tensai | mp3, sometimes aac or ogg (pretty rare). I found one that was just a link to the online real stream. how lame! |
| 20:37.21 | tlauder | Anyone here have experience connecting to byutv.org using MPlayer? I can't seem to get the same quality of video stream using MPlayer as I can in windows |
| 20:37.27 | jsmith | tensai: Nice pun -- I'll bet you didn't even spot it... |
| 20:38.04 | tensai | jsmith: something to do with "lame"? |
| 20:40.23 | tensai | jsmith: oh, c'mon. don't keep me in suspense! |
| 20:43.04 | jsmith | Sorry -- was on the phone. |
| 20:43.23 | jsmith | tensai: You're talking about audio and mp3s, and talking about something lame... get it yet? |
| 20:43.25 | graphyx | well there are two potentials I can see.. lame => mp3. and real stream => real player.. |
| 20:44.52 | tensai | graphyx: I actually did mean that it's a Real stream |
| 20:45.02 | graphyx | oh. |
| 20:45.08 | tensai | jsmith: yeah, the lame mp3 encoder I guess |
| 20:45.59 | graphyx | I rather enjoyed ESR's quote about how learning to appreciate puns and wordplay as one of the steps to becoming a true hacker. |
| 20:46.36 | levi | s/hacker/man/ |
| 20:46.51 | levi | Of course, women may partake in the wordplay as well. |
| 20:48.16 | levi | But I don't think puns and wordplay are limited to hackers, by any means. |
| 20:49.06 | maquis | help... |
| 20:49.24 | graphyx | levi I certainly didn't mean to limit puns and wordplay. Just stating what the quote said. |
| 20:49.42 | graphyx | I have had a true appreciation of puns and wordplay since I was a mere lad. |
| 20:49.43 | maquis | does fedora require something in the intrd in grub.conf? |
| 20:50.05 | levi | Depends on how the kernel is set up, I'm sure. |
| 20:50.15 | graphyx | maquis: My understanding is that initrd and grub.conf are completely separate. |
| 20:50.22 | graphyx | wait. |
| 20:50.23 | graphyx | nvmn. |
| 20:50.27 | graphyx | I misread. |
| 20:50.35 | levi | If you built a custom kernel that has the necessary modules for booting compiled-in, you don't need an initrd. |
| 20:50.38 | graphyx | I was thinking init.d |
| 20:50.42 | graphyx | not initrd |
| 20:50.58 | maquis | graphyx: i'm having some weird boot issues with a new kernel i'm trying to set up |
| 20:51.07 | graphyx | maquis what happens? |
| 20:52.05 | maquis | graphyx: it complains about some sort of weird issues with the root and such |
| 20:52.15 | maquis | i thought i had fixed that problem, but it's still not working |
| 20:53.12 | graphyx | did you put root=/dev/hda1 on the kernel line in grub? |
| 20:53.21 | maquis | graphyx: yeah |
| 20:53.36 | maquis | anyway, i'm going to go reboot and try a recent change out |
| 21:03.11 | maquis | graphyx: still doesn't work |
| 21:03.31 | graphyx | I hate grub issues. I am not good at troubleshooting them. |
| 21:03.34 | maquis | now it's complaining that it can't load (hd0,0) or /dev/sda2 |
| 21:03.35 | tensai | maquis: try being satisfied with mediocrity. you'll find it's substantially easier. |
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| 21:04.02 | maquis | tensai: mediocrity is ok... but if you're mediocre, you still work sometimes |
| 21:04.16 | tensai | maquis: the kernel is complaining or grub is complaining? |
| 21:04.26 | tensai | maquis: ok, try being pathetic. that's dead simple. |
| 21:04.35 | maquis | tensai: the kernel is complaining |
| 21:04.58 | vontrapp | did you compile in scsi support? |
| 21:05.00 | tensai | it's probably missing the scsi driver |
| 21:05.14 | maquis | tensai: when i say root=<blah> i want <blah> to be the device that has / on it, right? |
| 21:05.22 | maquis | or am i messing that up? |
| 21:05.24 | vontrapp | yep |
| 21:05.46 | maquis | i tried copying exactly what the other kernels have (root=LABEL=/), but that failed |
| 21:05.59 | tensai | maquis: do you understand why an initrd is necessary? |
| 21:06.13 | maquis | tensai: no.... i don't have one because i've never used one before |
| 21:06.23 | maquis | can i just use the one that the kernel was using before i recompiled it? |
| 21:06.30 | maquis | or do i have to make a new one? |
| 21:06.34 | maquis | and if so, how do i do it? |
| 21:06.47 | vontrapp | initrd = ram disk image that can be loaded for the kernel to access modules needed at boot time |
| 21:06.51 | maquis | (i never had to make one for gentoo... or for rh8) |
| 21:07.13 | tensai | let's say you have a scsi disk and you compile the scsi driver as a module. that module lives on your hard drive. how is the kernel supposed to load the module if it doesn't have the module? |
| 21:07.17 | tensai | chicken and egg |
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| 21:07.35 | vontrapp | so, say you need scsi, but the kernel has scsi as a module, the kernel need an initrd containing scsi modules so it can load them |
| 21:07.39 | maquis | does fedora stick the scsi drivers as modules??? |
| 21:07.43 | tensai | an initrd is a collection of modules necessary to boot the system |
| 21:07.43 | maquis | grr |
| 21:07.53 | vontrapp | i think the whole thing is dumb and pointless, with the exception of bootable disks maybe |
| 21:07.58 | graphyx | ah come on.. I thought we solved the chicken and the egg question the same way that we did the compiling the first compiler... |
| 21:08.05 | vontrapp | i'd much rather compile necessary things in anyday |
| 21:08.08 | graphyx | ~chicken and egg |
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| 21:08.30 | maquis | vontrapp: yeah... me too... but i'm going off a working ernel, and i'd prefer not to break too much |
| 21:08.33 | maquis | so.. here's the question |
| 21:08.43 | maquis | i have an initrd for the same kernel... |
| 21:08.52 | tensai | no, that won't work |
| 21:08.53 | maquis | except that the kernel was compiled with a slightly different .config |
| 21:09.04 | maquis | doh |
| 21:09.07 | maquis | ok... |
| 21:09.08 | tensai | well, it's not likely to work |
| 21:09.13 | vontrapp | is it the same kernel version? |
| 21:09.13 | maquis | so, how do i make an initrd |
| 21:09.16 | maquis | ? |
| 21:09.22 | maquis | vontrapp: yup |
| 21:09.23 | jsmith | mkinitrd |
| 21:09.36 | graphyx | ibot, chicken and egg is <reply> The chicken and the egg question has probably been solved the same way the first compiler was compiled. However, some question if when God was making the chicken and the egg, which routine he did first.. |
| 21:09.38 | ibot | okay, graphyx |
| 21:09.41 | jsmith | maquis: And pass it the kernel you want to build it againts. |
| 21:09.43 | graphyx | ~chicken and egg |
| 21:09.44 | ibot | The chicken and the egg question has probably been solved the same way the first compiler was compiled. However, some question if when God was making the chicken and the egg, which routine he did first.. |
| 21:09.44 | vontrapp | if the modules are compatible, then the initrd is compatiblee |
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| 21:10.48 | levi | Time for school... |
| 21:12.10 | tensai | maquis: man mkinitrd. it's the better solution all around, guaranteed to work unless it too fails |
| 21:12.35 | tensai | jsmith: you still never completely explained my joke |
| 21:12.52 | graphyx | tensai: guaranteed to work unless it fails? Wow, I think you could put that statement on everything that has ever been made. |
| 21:13.01 | graphyx | tensai: You shouldn't definitely patent it! |
| 21:13.51 | jsmith | tensai: No, you got it (sorry, been running around the office like the sky is falling) |
| 21:13.52 | elg | wow, geico would rather lose my business on automobile insurance than cover me on motorcycle |
| 21:14.09 | jsmith | elg: Really? |
| 21:14.17 | jsmith | elg: I'd heard good things about their moto insurance... |
| 21:14.26 | elg | yeah. all because my car bottomed out on the railroad tracks |
| 21:14.34 | elg | at least, that's my best guess. I don't have any tickets |
| 21:14.44 | RyanE | elg: age a factor? |
| 21:14.49 | elg | and I'm not single nor all that young |
| 21:15.01 | elg | we've liked them so far for auto |
| 21:15.41 | RyanE | When I priced them for 3 cars, Progressive beat them on price, but I'd guess moto is quite a different beast. |
| 21:15.48 | graphyx | That's funny. We went to gieco cause Bear River mutual insurance wouldn't take my new car... new car being a 1991 Mercury Capri XR2. |
| 21:18.12 | vontrapp | elg: did you tell them you'd take your car insurance elsewhere unless they insured the moto? |
| 21:18.17 | elg | yeah |
| 21:18.21 | elg | well, I threatened to anyway |
| 21:18.36 | elg | she just fell back on 'regulations' |
| 21:18.54 | vontrapp | what about the damn regulation that you have to have insurance? |
| 21:18.55 | elg | said something like "well we'd like you to stay with us, but I can't do anything" |
| 21:19.06 | graphyx | elg: Did they refuse to insure any motorcycles? |
| 21:19.22 | elg | yeah, we never got to the specifics on the bike |
| 21:19.28 | graphyx | wow.. |
| 21:19.28 | vontrapp | it's a 1980, don't see how they could refuse on the type of motorcycle |
| 21:19.29 | elg | they insure motorcycles |
| 21:19.34 | elg | but apprently not me |
| 21:19.39 | RyanE | wow |
| 21:19.48 | RyanE | be interesting to know which 'regulation' she's talking about. |
| 21:19.58 | elg | well, i think company regulations/policy |
| 21:20.01 | graphyx | umm.. don't bother calling bear river mutual insurance. |
| 21:20.05 | graphyx | They are very risk adverse. |
| 21:20.29 | elg | just wasn't enough risk (low enough risk? I never can keep their terminology straight) |
| 21:21.08 | graphyx | elg: I think the term low enough risk is appropriate. |
| 21:21.16 | elg | all because the city of provo is too cheap to keep their railroad tracks in good order, or at least post 5mph warning sides on BOTH sides of the tracks |
| 21:21.38 | elg | graphyx: that's the logical way to think about it, but I think they say it the other way |
| 21:21.42 | elg | round |
| 21:21.43 | graphyx | which section did you bottom out on? |
| 21:21.47 | elg | similar to debit/credit confusion |
| 21:21.48 | RyanE | 5mph? I don't think I've ever driven 5mph over RR tracks... |
| 21:22.01 | elg | it's a side road in south provo |
| 21:22.13 | graphyx | which road? 900s? |
| 21:22.15 | elg | on the way home from my then-new job |
| 21:22.21 | RyanE | elg: can't you insure the moto with a different company? might still be cheaper if your Geico is low enough. |
| 21:22.50 | elg | progressive did an online quote anyway. sure we can probably find someone |
| 21:22.54 | vontrapp | he was just pulling the disgruntled customer card, but if he finds a better price for both... |
| 21:24.55 | elg | it's just the feeling you get when you cheerily call up your insurance company like a devoted loyal fanboy customer and they say 'sorry, you're too much risk since your car bottoms out on railroad tracks' |
| 21:25.19 | elg | i'm hoping insurance companies don't share info like that. it's not on my official record |
| 21:25.36 | elg | if I were the primary driver on our car now I'd look for a different company maybe get a cheaper rate |
| 21:25.47 | elg | but my wife is, and she has a great record (and is female) |
| 21:26.06 | elg | and I mostly take the bus, so our rate is pretty good |
| 21:27.22 | tensai | we recently switched from geico because they were real screwball on their home insurance |
| 21:27.43 | tensai | elg: very much the same feeling when I called |
| 21:28.00 | graphyx | tensai: They do house insurance? |
| 21:28.34 | vontrapp | blach, this bottled water is nasty |
| 21:28.44 | vontrapp | tastes like beans or something, can't quite place it |
| 21:29.02 | tensai | vontrapp: that's the water I soaked my feet in |
| 21:29.16 | tensai | graphyx: not mine they don't :) |
| 21:29.16 | vontrapp | when were you at the airport? |
| 21:29.39 | tensai | vontrapp: yup. I've been stalking you, just waiting for a chance to ruin something you planned to consume. |
| 21:29.39 | elg | tensai: hehe. |
| 21:30.05 | vontrapp | hmm, now the question is, why do you put your feet in beans? |
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| 21:30.25 | tensai | vontrapp: did you ever find the armpit chicken sandwich I put under your pillow? |
| 21:30.53 | vontrapp | i think you forgot it in your armpit, you might want to check |
| 21:31.05 | vontrapp | it really smells :-p |
| 21:31.38 | tensai | well, well. there it is. didn't see it behind the pot roast. |
| 21:33.52 | vontrapp | does firefox not have a way to set cookies? |
| 21:34.02 | maquis | gah |
| 21:34.05 | maquis | different set of errors |
| 21:34.05 | tensai | you mean to edit your own cookies? |
| 21:34.33 | vontrapp | add additional ocokies |
| 21:34.53 | maquis | /bin/insmod exited abnormally with value 1 creating root device |
| 21:35.00 | maquis | mount: error 19 mounting ext3 |
| 21:35.18 | maquis | ERROR opening /dev/console!!!! : 2 |
| 21:35.24 | maquis | (yes... it did have 4 !s) |
| 21:35.28 | maquis | error dup2 |
| 21:35.34 | maquis | 'ing fd of 0 to 0 |
| 21:35.44 | maquis | ... 0 to 1 |
| 21:35.48 | maquis | ... 0 to 2 |
| 21:35.53 | tensai | sounds like a missing ext3 module |
| 21:35.58 | maquis | switchroot: mount failed: 22 |
| 21:36.03 | vontrapp | it failed to load the module for the root device |
| 21:36.06 | maquis | kernelpanic - not syncing |
| 21:36.10 | maquis | hmm |
| 21:36.15 | maquis | i gave it the initrd |
| 21:37.12 | vontrapp | soybeans, that's what it tastes like |
| 21:37.20 | vontrapp | stupid water |
| 21:39.01 | maquis | grrrr |
| 21:47.40 | tensai | vontrapp: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&category=Privacy%20and%20Security&numpg=10&id=573 |
| 21:47.47 | tensai | Add N Edit Cookies extension |
| 21:52.24 | vontrapp | wow, that extension has some issues with the ui |
| 21:53.19 | tensai | never used it |
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| 22:18.04 | vontrapp | ~lart slow disks |
| 22:18.11 | vontrapp | gee, thanks ibot |
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| 22:32.01 | TimRiker | anyone know darren mcgary at novell/suse? |
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| 22:53.48 | maquis | grrr |
| 22:54.08 | jsmith | My feelings exactly. |
| 22:55.10 | mheath | Nightmarish |
| 22:55.22 | mheath | I don't mind the lack of a package manager, its never an issue for me... |
| 22:55.38 | mheath | But when it comes to upgrading from release to release, this can be a pain. |
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| 23:20.05 | elg | anyone have an insurance agent to recommend? |
| 23:20.30 | maquis | haha |
| 23:20.40 | maquis | that's some hot chile sauce if you need to ask that... |
| 23:22.24 | elg | :) |
| 23:22.31 | elg | unrelated questions |
| 23:22.35 | elg | er, statements |
| 23:22.37 | maquis | elg: sure.... |
| 23:22.50 | elg | btw, HSAs seem really cool, next time you're shopping for insurance |
| 23:22.56 | elg | especially when healthy and young |
| 23:23.03 | elg | msainfo.net |
| 23:23.17 | elg | (but I found out about them through a self-employment book) |
| 23:24.46 | mheath | Hmmm. I'm thinking about trying Ubuntu... |
| 23:26.36 | maquis | mheath: good luck... |
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