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| 01:23.53 | RyanE | oh the horrors! |
| 01:30.29 | maquis | ~hug tylenol |
| 01:30.30 | ibot | ACTION hugs tylenol |
| 01:32.59 | levi | maquis: What distro are you trying now? |
| 01:33.10 | maquis | levi: fc4 |
| 01:33.40 | levi | Is it working any better for you than the previous ones you've tried? |
| 01:34.11 | maquis | levi: given that it's only been on for a few hours... |
| 01:34.13 | maquis | :) |
| 01:34.27 | maquis | i'm trying to figure out how to add a repository |
| 01:35.24 | levi | You ever get your homework finished for the week? |
| 01:45.12 | tensai | levi: mmm, my tomato, basil & onion risotto turned delicious |
| 01:45.26 | levi | tensai: Nice! |
| 01:45.34 | levi | tensai: I'm jealous. :) |
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| 01:45.42 | levi | I need to get some arborio rice. |
| 01:45.49 | tensai | I'm definitely going to make more of that |
| 01:46.07 | tensai | I just used plain ole long grain rice |
| 01:46.26 | levi | Hmm. You need to try it with arborio rice. |
| 01:46.34 | levi | Makes a /huge/ difference. |
| 01:47.25 | tensai | what kind of huge difference? |
| 01:47.41 | levi | Well, it gives it a really creamy texture. |
| 01:47.57 | levi | And the arborio grains plump up nicely. |
| 01:48.29 | levi | What process did you follow when you made it? |
| 01:49.39 | tensai | sauted some diced tomatoes (fresh from my garden) in butter and basil. set them aside. |
| 01:50.13 | tensai | melted some butter, added the rice. cooked it for a bit. added vegetable broth 1/2 cup at a time until it was nice and soft. |
| 01:50.30 | tensai | oh, softened some onions before adding the rice. cooked that all together. |
| 01:50.54 | tensai | then mixed in the tomatoes and served |
| 01:51.44 | levi | Mmmmm. |
| 01:52.07 | levi | Do exactly the same thing with some arborio rice next time, then. :) |
| 01:52.18 | tensai | the tomatoes were very strong but gave the rice a nice flavor once spread around |
| 01:53.24 | levi | A friend of mine was sous chef at Tuscany for a while, and I went to a cooking demo he gave where he demonstrated making risotto. I used to have some recipes from him, but I think I've lost them. |
| 01:53.52 | levi | Oh, risotto also usually has some sort of cheese mixed in at the end. It adds to the creamy texture, too. |
| 01:56.58 | xbmodder | do you guys know of any <i>free</i> 3d animation software other than blende and maya |
| 01:59.19 | levi | xbmodder: Nope. |
| 02:00.04 | levi | tensai: I made a sun-dried tomato and sausage risotto that was pretty good. You can do pretty much anything. One of my friend's responsibilities as sous chef was to come up with a risotto special every night. |
| 02:01.06 | xbmodder | :) |
| 02:03.24 | levi | My parents sent my wife and me birthday money, so we went shopping today. |
| 02:03.55 | levi | I got myself a brown corduroy blazer to use as a jacket when it starts getting colder. |
| 02:04.05 | levi | But before I need my heavy leather jacket. |
| 02:06.16 | levi | I think it fits conversational grammatical norms, though probably not formal ones. |
| 02:07.48 | sjansen | I'ts my fault not yours. My brain refuses to accept any form of "<noun/pronound> and me". |
| 02:08.10 | levi | Oh, yes, that part is perfectly grammatical. |
| 02:08.45 | levi | The part where I started a sentence with 'But' is debatable. |
| 02:09.40 | sjansen | But generally accepted as fine so long as it isn't used too often. |
| 02:11.02 | levi | And certainly acceptable in conversation. |
| 02:11.02 | sjansen | heh |
| 02:11.03 | levi | But the point of it all is that I now have a very stylish blazer to wear around. |
| 02:12.08 | levi | So my wife will no longer have to feel embarrassed when we go out and I need a light jacket. |
| 02:12.52 | sjansen | You should stencil a penguin on the back. You don't want your wife getting _too_ comfortable. ;-) |
| 02:15.42 | tensai | levi: spicy sausage? |
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| 02:15.54 | levi | tensai: Yup, Italian sausage. |
| 02:16.14 | tensai | I've never had sun-dried tomatoes before but I've recently been wanting to try some |
| 02:16.17 | maquis | question for anyone running FC4... |
| 02:16.28 | maquis | i'm trying to figure out how to get Eterm |
| 02:16.40 | maquis | and i can't find the package in any of the repositories i've checked |
| 02:16.52 | maquis | does it show up for anyone in yum list? |
| 02:17.17 | levi | tensai: They're pretty good. Very strong, too. |
| 02:18.26 | sjansen | maquis: I would expect it to be in fedora extras. |
| 02:18.29 | levi | tensai: Mushrooms are good in risotto, too. |
| 02:18.55 | maquis | sjansen: i have the fedora-extras repository |
| 02:19.50 | maquis | some guy apparently spent 3 hours trying to figure out how to install eterm with fc4 |
| 02:20.10 | levi | tensai: Shallots are also nice to add color. |
| 02:22.09 | levi | maquis: Before too much longer, you will discover that all Linux distributions suck to some degree or another. And it will always be so, due to the nature of the beast. |
| 02:22.45 | SpecialK | ~lart maquis |
| 02:22.55 | maquis | levi: i know... i'm just trying to get eterm |
| 02:22.59 | maquis | ~bart SpecialK |
| 02:23.02 | ibot | ACTION forces SpecialK to eat her shorts |
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| 02:23.27 | levi | Is eterm really worth the hassle? |
| 02:24.14 | maquis | levi: eterm and esetroot come together |
| 02:24.32 | maquis | i have all the config files to make eterm do exactly what i want |
| 02:24.40 | levi | maquis: ... okay, are eterm and esetroot really worth the hassle? |
| 02:24.44 | maquis | i have a specific script that handles a number of other things that requires esetroot |
| 02:25.07 | maquis | levi: it'll be a pretty big hassle to get all that stuff set up again |
| 02:25.21 | levi | maquis: What does it do that's so important? |
| 02:25.34 | maquis | i've tried to set aterm and xterm up in the past, and after an hour on each, went back to Eterm |
| 02:25.52 | maquis | levi: esetroot handles setting my background image and rotating it every 10 minutes |
| 02:26.11 | maquis | eterm is transparent, and has a good font and such |
| 02:26.36 | emcnabb_ | gnome-terminal is transparent and has good fonts |
| 02:26.45 | levi | Konsole as well, I believe. |
| 02:26.45 | sjansen | so you're going through all this hassle for a pretty background? |
| 02:27.01 | maquis | sjansen: in part |
| 02:27.09 | emcnabb_ | maquis, it doesn't sounds like your terminal should be the application controling your background |
| 02:27.20 | maquis | emcnabb_: it's not |
| 02:27.22 | maquis | esetroot is |
| 02:27.27 | maquis | and it comes in the same package as eterm |
| 02:27.37 | emcnabb_ | are you going to be using enlightenment? |
| 02:28.04 | maquis | emcnabb_: i just haven't had any luck getting aterm to do what i want... and my experience with gnome-terminal is that it always wants to have some sort of border or something |
| 02:28.14 | maquis | emcnabb_: not for now... might give it a try eventually |
| 02:28.44 | emcnabb_ | well, you may want to find out the gnome or kde way to do backgrounds how you want |
| 02:28.55 | emcnabb_ | esetroot sounds like an enlightenment app |
| 02:29.18 | maquis | emcnabb_: don't you generally have to have gnome or kde installed to change backgrounds the gnome/kde way? |
| 02:29.36 | maquis | esetroot is an enlightenment app, but doesn't require enlightenment to be installed |
| 02:29.37 | emcnabb_ | what desktop env are you going to be using/ |
| 02:29.39 | emcnabb_ | ? |
| 02:29.45 | maquis | emcnabb_: evilwm |
| 02:30.06 | emcnabb_ | ugh |
| 02:30.12 | maquis | haha |
| 02:30.23 | maquis | i think it's nice |
| 02:30.37 | maquis | i might try a few others, but so far, it's the only one i've tried and really liked |
| 02:31.08 | sjansen | You have to give maquis one thing, she has a high tolerance for pain. I would have thrown in the towel by now and lived with a boring background. |
| 02:31.10 | levi | maquis: You would have a much more pleasant time with your computer if you did one of two things: 1) give up your ultra-customized desktop and learn to appreciate gnome or kde, or 2) Use a distribution that doesn't attempt to package things for you, set everything up yourself, and then /stop screwing with it/. |
| 02:32.09 | maquis | levi: i like my ultra-customized desktop, and i tried gentoo, but it took too long if i wanted to install something |
| 02:32.54 | levi | maquis: I don't mean gentoo. It's just as packaged as any of the others you've been messing with. |
| 02:33.15 | maquis | then what distro are you talking about? |
| 02:34.24 | levi | maquis: I don't know. |
| 02:34.53 | maquis | levi: if you can figure that out, i'd gladly give it a try |
| 02:34.54 | levi | maquis: But number 2 would continue to cause you lots of pain, grief, and wasted time until you got it set up. |
| 02:35.01 | sjansen | Perhaps you should roll your own eterm rpm. |
| 02:35.27 | JoshH | just get a mac. |
| 02:35.28 | sjansen | Become a fedora/ubuntu/foo contributor. |
| 02:35.32 | levi | maquis: The major distributions are strongly focused towards doing things differently than you seem to want to. |
| 02:35.50 | maquis | levi: i've noticed |
| 02:36.06 | maquis | JoshH: macs also aren't quite focused toward what i'm looking for |
| 02:36.38 | levi | maquis: And so you either need to find something within their focus that you can deal with, or spend a HUGE amount of time creating what you want, and dealing with it breaking regularly when you upgrade other things. |
| 02:36.45 | JoshH | honestly, after using every distro out there, i eventually came to realize that debian was the best one and ive just stuck with it. do the same, and eventually you will thank yourself. |
| 02:36.57 | Newsome | maquis: can't find a decent eterm rpm? |
| 02:36.59 | JoshH | trying to find a better distro is futile |
| 02:37.24 | sjansen | heh |
| 02:37.27 | maquis | Newsome: i finally found an actual rpm |
| 02:37.38 | maquis | now i'm just going around and finding the dependencies |
| 02:37.41 | Newsome | maquis: this one work? http://newrpms.sunsite.dk/apt/redhat/en/i386/fc1/SRPMS.newrpms/eterm-0.9.2-4.src.rpm |
| 02:37.54 | emcnabb_ | maquis, I used fluxbox for years; over the last several months I've been using gnome full-time |
| 02:37.57 | emcnabb_ | it was good to have a change |
| 02:38.10 | emcnabb_ | otherwise you become very narrow minded about things |
| 02:38.14 | JoshH | how is one rpm of eterm better than another? is the stock package missing some cool features or something? |
| 02:38.30 | sjansen | there is no stock package |
| 02:38.35 | sjansen | apparently |
| 02:38.35 | emcnabb_ | and you stop learning because you have it "just the way you like it" |
| 02:38.41 | JoshH | in fedora? |
| 02:38.44 | Newsome | could be an old RPM, or could require odd dependencies |
| 02:38.58 | JoshH | yet another reason to use debian... an eterm package. |
| 02:38.59 | sjansen | or could be just plain packaged wrong |
| 02:39.54 | maquis | JoshH: that might be the only reason to use debian |
| 02:40.11 | JoshH | dont tell me sjansen has brainwashed you into being anti-debian |
| 02:40.12 | sjansen | JoshH: If you're going to troll for Debian, I'm going to have to launch a flamewar so fierce your desk will be left a smouldering heap. |
| 02:40.13 | levi | maquis: You've got to realize that the task of making a large set of software work well together is gargantuan. No one is going to support your quirky setup. Therefore you will continue to have much pain. Really, I promise you that you can be just as productive with gnome, kde, xfce, or whatever. Human beings are far more flexible than computers. |
| 02:40.29 | maquis | emcnabb_: yeah... i suppose you're right... but i still don't like gnome/kde... i'm considering trying a few other wms... but not a full-blown desktop |
| 02:40.34 | sjansen | Okay, that's it! |
| 02:40.39 | sjansen | ~poo JoshH |
| 02:40.41 | ibot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at JoshH |
| 02:40.52 | JoshH | sjansen: i just dont see why so many people waste so much time trying to make rpm distros useable. :P |
| 02:41.01 | Newsome | It's not any better under debian. Debian's eterm rpm is 0.9.2-8, so it's not exactly up-to-date either. |
| 02:41.09 | emcnabb_ | Fedora extrass over the next several releases should have many of those packages |
| 02:41.11 | sjansen | Well, I think I won that one. |
| 02:41.35 | levi | JoshH: RPM distros are quite usable as long as you stick with what they give you. |
| 02:41.41 | emcnabb_ | maquis, I used to love Fluxbox; now I'm more of a Gnome fan |
| 02:41.58 | Newsome | maquis: grab the eterm rpms here - http://www.eterm.org/download/ |
| 02:42.06 | JoshH | im a gnome fan, but i only use gnome on a fast machine. on slower boxes i use fluxbox. |
| 02:42.07 | maquis | emcnabb_: maybe if i have a transition period, i might be able to do it |
| 02:42.13 | maquis | Newsome: i have that... i'm trying to get the dependencies |
| 02:42.20 | emcnabb_ | maquis, just jump right it |
| 02:42.21 | emcnabb_ | in |
| 02:42.24 | emcnabb_ | that's what I did |
| 02:42.30 | Newsome | maquis: libast? |
| 02:42.36 | JoshH | sjansen: im too busy enjoying the awesomeness of debian to get involved in the flamewar, so you win. :P |
| 02:42.37 | maquis | emcnabb_: the few times i've used gnome, i've hated every minute of it |
| 02:42.42 | maquis | Newsome: imlib2-loader |
| 02:43.07 | emcnabb_ | I used to, but I really like what they've done over the last several versions |
| 02:43.33 | levi | maquis: Why did you hate gnome so much? |
| 02:44.11 | maquis | levi: it's big and bloated |
| 02:44.17 | maquis | and it feels slow and sluggish |
| 02:44.18 | emcnabb_ | I don't think so |
| 02:44.21 | maquis | particularly when it's starting |
| 02:44.21 | JoshH | which only matters on a slow machine |
| 02:44.28 | emcnabb_ | not at all |
| 02:44.36 | JoshH | how often do you start it? |
| 02:44.43 | emcnabb_ | I have the same machine as you maquis and it starts up VERY quickly |
| 02:44.56 | JoshH | if i log out and restart it, it takes about 3 seconds. |
| 02:45.04 | JoshH | first login probably takes about 7 seconds. |
| 02:45.04 | maquis | emcnabb_: maybe it's changed recently... but the versions on the cs computers (fc3 i think), i can log in at the same time as a friend using gnome, and i'll be off and going a good 20 seconds before them |
| 02:45.05 | emcnabb_ | JoshH, same here |
| 02:45.23 | maquis | and for evilwm it takes about half a second, if that |
| 02:45.26 | levi | maquis: Compared to evilwm, perhaps it's big, bloated, and slow. But that slowness is /completely irrelevant/ compared to the amount of time you're spending on this right now. |
| 02:45.36 | sjansen | heh |
| 02:45.38 | emcnabb_ | well, you need to remember in the labs a lot of config files are being read off of the NFS server, which is not the case on your laptop |
| 02:45.44 | maquis | levi: i still wont' have evilwm |
| 02:45.45 | JoshH | maquis: something must be screwy with those machines then, honestly. |
| 02:45.47 | maquis | er... |
| 02:45.50 | maquis | eterm |
| 02:46.08 | sjansen | so use gnome-terminal |
| 02:46.15 | levi | maquis: No, but you'll have gnome terminal, and it gives you a terminal that works just as well. |
| 02:46.31 | emcnabb_ | I've found that Gnome has made me MORE productive than fluxbox |
| 02:46.43 | JoshH | right now at work i use xfce and aterm, its pretty fast. this box is an 1800+ with 512mb of ram. |
| 02:46.50 | JoshH | at home i have a gig of ram and an xp 3200+ |
| 02:46.55 | levi | If you give up configuring everything in your environment, you get a lot more real work done. |
| 02:46.58 | JoshH | and i use gnome and its very fast. |
| 02:47.26 | emcnabb_ | levi, exactly |
| 02:48.13 | sjansen | I find that not reinstalling and doing only minimal tweaking leaves me more time to read slashdot. |
| 02:48.38 | emcnabb_ | sjansen, don't forget reading blogs |
| 02:49.09 | emcnabb_ | well, time to watch a movie |
| 02:49.10 | emcnabb_ | later |
| 02:49.10 | levi | s/read slashdot/sleep/ |
| 02:49.12 | sjansen | Which isn't exactly the same thing as being more productive... but let's call it close enough. |
| 02:49.21 | maquis | emcnabb_: later |
| 02:50.04 | tensai | I like xfce for my laptop and kde for my desktop with more ram |
| 02:50.20 | tensai | maquis: kde does the automatic background switching thing, so does xfce |
| 02:51.08 | maquis | they still have stupid space-stealers like menus and such |
| 02:51.21 | JoshH | i never use the gnome menus |
| 02:51.33 | JoshH | except to logout or change the theme or something |
| 02:51.59 | JoshH | and i just have a side panel with icons for pretty much everything i use, and a command line on the panel for other stuff. |
| 02:52.02 | tensai | first task with a new desktop is always to bind meta-t to a terminal |
| 02:52.29 | sjansen | maquis: and yet you use gkrellm, another stupid space-stealer |
| 02:52.52 | maquis | sjansen: i actually use gkrellm... which means it's not a space-stealer |
| 02:53.00 | sjansen | use the panel |
| 02:53.16 | sjansen | get ride of gkrellm, use the panel applets instead |
| 02:53.51 | sjansen | and status indicators and the quick command thing |
| 02:54.13 | sjansen | embrace the simplicity of metacity |
| 02:54.38 | sjansen | and with the neweest versions, enjoy the fact that no windows ever jmp in your face anymore |
| 02:55.18 | sjansen | (Of course, that means you'll want a space stealer so that the window list can blinck at you when a window wants attention.) |
| 02:56.11 | sjansen | personally, I think gnome-panel is one of the best things about gnome |
| 02:56.43 | JoshH | that, and gnome-volume-manager are the main reasons i use it |
| 02:57.09 | JoshH | i like the way cd's, my camera, etc automatically mount and give me an icon |
| 02:57.34 | JoshH | and i honeslty think gnome looks good too |
| 02:57.42 | JoshH | at least with the industrial theme |
| 02:58.08 | sjansen | clearlook with hints of bluecurve, babye |
| 02:58.23 | JoshH | clearlooks is good too |
| 02:58.41 | JoshH | i like the gorilla icons for the home/trash/etc, but most of my panel icons are from osx |
| 03:00.33 | JoshH | by default, gnome is ugly |
| 03:00.51 | JoshH | but with a good gtk theme, a good wallpaper, and a nice panel, it looks good. |
| 03:00.52 | emcnabb | clearlooks rocks |
| 03:01.03 | emcnabb | the movie hasn't started yet :-) |
| 03:01.50 | sjansen | did npr just say their going to interview a bluegrass metal band? |
| 03:03.30 | emcnabb | I do have a song by Manson about the food pyramid |
| 03:04.09 | emcnabb | that's along the same line |
| 03:04.35 | sjansen | that song is cool |
| 03:08.25 | maquis | does yum have *anything*? |
| 03:08.42 | maquis | it doesn't even have xmodmap |
| 03:09.46 | sjansen | ure it does, you just need to find the right package for it |
| 03:11.13 | JoshH | xbase-clients includes it on debian. |
| 03:18.28 | emcnabb | $ rpm -qf `which xmodmap` |
| 03:18.28 | emcnabb | xorg-x11-6.8.2-37.FC4.49.2 |
| 03:20.10 | maquis | ooh... |
| 03:20.15 | maquis | xkb makes it better |
| 03:37.41 | maquis | w00t! |
| 03:37.49 | maquis | torriem found a repository that has Eterm! |
| 04:03.31 | tensai | elg: nufone says they did run out of 800 numbers. they'll be activating 1000 more next week. guess I'll just have to wait. |
| 04:05.03 | elg | fun |
| 04:05.09 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.17 | ibot | levi is currently on #utah (1d 3h 48m 12s). Has said a total of 48 messages. Is idling for 1h 16m 7s |
| 04:05.17 | levi | Yo. |
| 04:05.23 | maquis | wow... |
| 04:05.30 | maquis | levi replied faster than ibot... :) |
| 04:10.11 | tensai | ~levi++ |
| 04:10.16 | tensai | ~maquis-- |
| 04:11.03 | maquis | tensai: why??? |
| 04:11.53 | tensai | I dunno. video games made me do it. |
| 04:12.46 | levi | Have you been playing GTA again? |
| 04:14.23 | tensai | Law and Order tonight was about a murder inspired by a video game strikingly like GTA |
| 04:15.55 | tensai | but I haven't actually played many video games lately. my video card is dying. opengl doesn't work at all, and now X sometimes refuses to start. |
| 04:18.20 | tensai | ~karma maquis |
| 04:18.20 | ibot | maquis has karma of -3 |
| 04:18.27 | tensai | looks like I wasn't the first one to tease maquis |
| 04:18.39 | maquis | *sniff* |
| 04:24.08 | sjansen | ~karma sjansen |
| 04:24.08 | ibot | sjansen has karma of 3 |
| 04:24.57 | levi | tensai: I hate how Law and Order takes their stories from the headlines. |
| 04:25.23 | RyanE | no, it *RIPS* them from the headlines, no? |
| 04:26.15 | goozbach | it' supposed to make you think abt the issues |
| 04:27.00 | sjansen | heh |
| 04:28.19 | levi | I can think about the issues just fine when I, you know, see them in the headlines. |
| 04:29.05 | maquis | levi: a lot of people don't see them in the headlines |
| 04:30.01 | sjansen | so presuming guilt or innocence and manufacturing facts helps them? |
| 04:30.15 | maquis | no |
| 04:30.22 | maquis | but it makes them feel more intelligent |
| 04:31.59 | levi | I don't think fictionalizing true crime stories for prime-time TV is a great way to present them. |
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| 04:48.24 | TheDiff | hey |
| 04:52.20 | levi | hey is for horseys. |
| 04:52.36 | TheDiff | i dont think i've heard that one for 8 years |
| 04:52.51 | levi | Glad to bring it back to your attention. |
| 04:55.00 | TheDiff | i have a question about utah, and jobs |
| 04:55.09 | TheDiff | and their existance, or lack thereof |
| 04:55.17 | maquis | mmk |
| 04:55.46 | maquis | are you a utahn or a potential utahn? |
| 04:56.05 | TheDiff | i have family who are utes |
| 04:56.09 | TheDiff | but i am not personally |
| 04:56.35 | TheDiff | but, i'm looking at doing a co-op in the area |
| 04:56.44 | TheDiff | and i'm looking for companies who do embedded systems work |
| 05:00.29 | maquis | TheDiff: not sure about that... |
| 05:00.49 | maquis | somebody here should know, though |
| 05:01.02 | TheDiff | yeah |
| 05:01.12 | TheDiff | i know symantec has a presence there |
| 05:01.14 | TheDiff | and novell |
| 05:01.30 | TheDiff | but they dont do embedded stuff |
| 05:01.45 | TheDiff | and being a computer engineer, i dont know if i could get a position at those places |
| 05:07.13 | levi | I do embedded stuff, but my company doesn't do a lot of it. |
| 05:07.39 | levi | Are you thinking embedded Linux, or just embedded programming in general? |
| 05:08.42 | tensai | tim does embedded stuff too I think. he just moved back to utah. |
| 05:08.46 | TheDiff | levi: either or |
| 05:08.58 | TheDiff | right now i'm doing research on wireless sensor network stuff |
| 05:09.02 | TheDiff | motes running tinyos |
| 05:09.11 | TheDiff | i'd like to continue that, but thats pretty much just university stuff |
| 05:09.14 | levi | Ahh, cool. |
| 05:09.24 | TheDiff | and i dont think i could get paid at some university |
| 05:09.28 | levi | Well, I know there are companies around doing embedded work. |
| 05:09.57 | levi | A coworker just left to do embedded programming for music synthesizers or something. |
| 05:10.14 | TheDiff | oh, cool |
| 05:10.29 | TheDiff | are there any research labs or anything out there? |
| 05:11.08 | TheDiff | something like Sandia National Labs or SwRI |
| 05:11.10 | levi | Well, I think that's sort of a research division of the company, but I don't think there are any pure research labs. I think those are more or less a thing of the past in the commercial sector. |
| 05:11.25 | levi | No, no gov't labs around here that I'm aware of. |
| 05:11.43 | TheDiff | yeah |
| 05:11.53 | TheDiff | theres a few, but not many private research labs |
| 05:14.02 | levi | Few, and becoming fewer. |
| 05:14.36 | levi | The friend I mentioned earlier used to work for Lucent, and apparently Bell Labs is in a sad state. |
| 05:14.43 | levi | Lucent in general is in a sad state, as well. |
| 05:16.30 | mheath | I thought that Bell Labs doesn't exist anymore |
| 05:16.48 | mheath | I thought I read that sometime a few months back, they got rid of the last few workers in that department |
| 05:22.55 | mheath | Kinda sad, too |
| 05:23.08 | mheath | Something with such an amazing and proud legacy, just kinda slowly fading into nonexistance. |
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| 06:42.08 | xbmodder | cool. |
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| 08:01.25 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 08:26.10 | xbmodder | do you know where that color chooser is |
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| 15:48.21 | xbmodder | http://pastebin.com/373761 < could someone translatE? |
| 15:56.23 | TheDiff|detached | translation: girls are insane. stay far away. seriously. |
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| 18:16.31 | xbmodder | TheDiff, lol |
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| 18:35.59 | goozbach | eek! I don't think I'm going to make it. |
| 18:36.20 | goozbach | I wanted to download seasons 1-3 of RvB before my flight. |
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| 18:44.43 | sjansen | msg NickServ IDENTIFY l0ngf^3k1n'p4ssw0r|> |
| 18:46.43 | goozbach | hah! |
| 18:47.00 | elg | RvB? |
| 18:48.01 | goozbach | red vs blue |
| 18:48.09 | goozbach | rvb.roosterteeth.com |
| 18:48.24 | elg | i've got season one of max headroom to watch |
| 18:48.40 | elg | ... eventually ... |
| 18:48.50 | elg | sjansen: I think I saw your flight leave just a few minutes ago |
| 18:49.32 | sjansen | elg: really? what's the weather likein the future? |
| 18:49.48 | elg | hot |
| 18:49.51 | elg | still |
| 18:52.44 | TheDiff | what is the job market like in utah |
| 18:52.48 | elg | man i could really go for a stuffed jalapeno right now |
| 18:52.52 | TheDiff | specifically, the provo area |
| 18:53.29 | elg | i haven't studied it, but I'd say fair. but very few people in utah are willing to pay people what they're worth, in my experience |
| 18:53.38 | sjansen | TheDiff: Seems to be healthy but not spectacular. |
| 18:53.58 | elg | however utah isn't all that expensive a place and has other benefits to people, so they put up with it |
| 18:54.16 | TheDiff | yeah |
| 18:54.48 | TheDiff | are there any big tech companies out there, besides novell & symantec |
| 18:54.51 | sjansen | The biggest tech employer in the area is Novell. Spend a couple years in the area and you'll get cynical about Novell's hiring. They love to do periodic firings. |
| 18:54.59 | TheDiff | yeah |
| 18:55.10 | TheDiff | neither of them have what i'm interested in |
| 18:55.34 | sjansen | I've met several people that work for Raytheon in the Provo area. |
| 18:56.46 | TheDiff | do you know what their provo facility does |
| 18:57.01 | sjansen | Sounds like you're interested in embedded work. TimRiker is a good person to catch in this channel for that. |
| 18:57.19 | sjansen | I don't know. My guess is stuff that used to blow other stuff up. |
| 18:57.28 | TheDiff | hahaha |
| 18:57.37 | TheDiff | that is probably an accurate assessment |
| 18:57.53 | TheDiff | i'd rather not work for a company like that, but sadly, they typically are the ones with all the jobs |
| 18:58.18 | goozbach | fozzmoo's been looking for a developer |
| 18:58.35 | goozbach | mostly perl stuff, and sys-adminish duties |
| 18:59.04 | goozbach | he should be on later tonight |
| 19:00.39 | sjansen | So I'm finishing off my milk before leaving for acouple weeks. |
| 19:00.56 | sjansen | It really is true. You can have too much of a good thing. |
| 19:01.17 | sjansen | In my case: Reese's Puffs cereal |
| 19:10.24 | elg | speaking of fozz, i'm looking for him. |
| 19:15.05 | maquis | sjansen: you have trouble finishing off milk? |
| 19:40.39 | maquis | hmmm |
| 19:40.45 | maquis | i think google's got a bug |
| 19:40.56 | maquis | do a search for "this is a test" foo |
| 19:41.08 | maquis | (or any quoted string followed by a word) |
| 19:41.18 | maquis | then, go down to the bottom of the page and hit next |
| 19:41.34 | maquis | it drops the word off the query |
| 19:42.00 | maquis | hmmm |
| 19:42.11 | maquis | and if you have multiple words in your query, it drops all but the first word |
| 19:42.15 | maquis | or at least my computer is |
| 19:45.33 | TheDiff|464 | maquis: i'm not experiencing that |
| 19:45.43 | maquis | TheDiff|464: hmmm |
| 19:45.47 | maquis | that's odd |
| 19:46.04 | maquis | it's quite reproducible on my computer |
| 19:46.13 | maquis | anything i put in, it's doing that with |
| 19:46.36 | maquis | i search for 'linux ipw2200 boo' (no quotes), and it gives me one page of results |
| 19:46.54 | maquis | but when i go to the second page, it has changed the query to just 'linux' which is significantly less helpful |
| 19:47.04 | TheDiff|464 | wierd |
| 19:47.07 | TheDiff|464 | what browser are you runnign |
| 19:47.14 | maquis | firefox |
| 19:47.18 | TheDiff|464 | hmm |
| 19:47.21 | TheDiff|464 | what version |
| 19:47.40 | maquis | hmmm... let |
| 19:47.44 | maquis | s see if i can find out |
| 19:47.59 | maquis | [osiris erins] firefox --version |
| 19:48.00 | maquis | Mozilla Firefox 1.0.6, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2005 mozilla.org |
| 19:48.31 | maquis | on other news, if i go to the help menu, and choose "about mozilla firefox", it doesn't show anything |
| 19:48.34 | TheDiff|464 | hmm it doesnt show if patches have been added or not... |
| 19:48.45 | TheDiff|464 | after 1.0.6 was released |
| 19:48.53 | TheDiff|464 | theres been several patched releases afterwards |
| 19:48.56 | TheDiff|464 | at least for gentoo |
| 19:49.12 | maquis | it gets the wm to give it a window, but doesn't put anything in there, and the window is something on the order of 10x10 pixels |
| 19:49.18 | maquis | TheDiff|464: yeah... figures... |
| 19:49.25 | maquis | i just did yum update today, though |
| 19:49.27 | maquis | hmmm |
| 19:49.37 | maquis | wonder if it's having a problem because of that |
| 19:50.03 | sjansen | if firefox was updated, all running firefox(en?) should be restarted |
| 19:50.13 | maquis | sjansen: just tried that |
| 19:50.19 | maquis | we'll see if that resolves the problem |
| 19:50.28 | maquis | nope |
| 19:50.30 | maquis | still there |
| 19:50.32 | TheDiff|464 | :( |
| 19:50.34 | sjansen | I'm also not having any trouble |
| 19:50.47 | maquis | although, i can now open up the "About Mozilla Firefox" window |
| 19:51.05 | sjansen | instead of clicking on the next, hover over it and see if the term is still there |
| 19:51.12 | maquis | well... |
| 19:51.25 | maquis | the funny thing is... in the search-box down at the bottom, it only has the first word... |
| 19:51.36 | maquis | but in the search-box at the top of the page, it has the whole search |
| 19:51.57 | maquis | and no... the link doesn't have the whole search |
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| 19:52.41 | maquis | but... the first page of results is being done correctly... so google is *getting* the whole list of search terms |
| 19:53.01 | maquis | that's why i was thinking it might be a problem at google.... but if i'm the only one having the problem... |
| 19:53.04 | TheDiff|464 | what does google use to carry the string from one page to another |
| 19:53.15 | TheDiff|464 | is it all in the address string, or is it cookie based |
| 19:53.19 | sjansen | how about the souvce? |
| 19:53.36 | maquis | TheDiff|464: it is in the address string for the first page of results |
| 19:53.49 | sjansen | looking at the source for my search, it's right there in the page |
| 19:53.53 | maquis | and i have this problem regardless of whether i start from the customized google start page or the classic page |
| 19:54.16 | maquis | it's listed in the <title> tag... |
| 19:54.18 | sjansen | try searching with another engine |
| 19:54.46 | maquis | and a couple other times in the source |
| 19:54.51 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 19:54.55 | maquis | there's that altavista thing |
| 19:55.05 | sjansen | hotbot used to be cool once |
| 19:55.24 | sjansen | mark cuban keeps flaping his gums about ice rocket |
| 19:55.28 | maquis | altavista works fine |
| 19:55.57 | sjansen | amazon has that a9 thing |
| 19:56.15 | maquis | icerocket works fine too |
| 19:56.27 | sjansen | ms has some annoying thing they claim is better but indexes only 10% of what google indexed on my site |
| 19:56.28 | maquis | so... it's only google... |
| 19:56.34 | maquis | and i'm the only one that has the problem |
| 19:56.48 | sjansen | maquis: there's only one reasonable conclusion |
| 19:56.54 | sjansen | google hates you |
| 19:57.05 | TheDiff|464 | haha |
| 19:57.05 | maquis | a9 works fine too |
| 19:57.10 | TheDiff|464 | this is true |
| 19:57.27 | maquis | sjansen: google, fedora, debian, ubuntu, my computer, etc |
| 19:57.53 | maquis | ~go eat worms |
| 19:57.55 | ibot | o/~ nobody likes me, everybody hates me, i guess i'll go eat worms o/~ |
| 20:05.49 | xbmodder_ | MSN? |
| 20:11.58 | mheath | How much does it cost for a drive throw car wash? (On average) |
| 20:12.08 | mheath | *threw |
| 20:12.13 | mheath | *through |
| 20:12.19 | mheath | I got their....eventually. |
| 20:12.29 | mheath | Argh! What is with me today. *there. |
| 20:22.30 | xbmodder_ | hehe. |
| 20:31.04 | goozbach | $4-5 |
| 20:31.40 | goozbach | unless tiss a good one with bikinis and the like |
| 20:35.43 | goozbach | this is going to be a fun week |
| 20:36.37 | goozbach | three gurus in the same city. |
| 20:36.47 | maquis | goozbach: you, emcnabb and who? |
| 20:36.53 | maquis | and you 3 don't have seats together on the plane? |
| 20:37.16 | goozbach | maquis: bryan |
| 20:37.22 | goozbach | annd no |
| 20:37.40 | maquis | why not? |
| 20:38.55 | goozbach | the tickets were purchased seperatly |
| 20:39.10 | maquis | that sucks |
| 20:39.54 | goozbach | tis not that bad |
| 20:41.22 | goozbach | well there goes the boardding door. |
| 20:41.28 | goozbach | adios |
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| 21:11.38 | sjansen | ~curse goozbach and emcnabb |
| 21:11.40 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, goozbach and emcnabb ! |
| 21:11.54 | maquis | sjansen: ??? |
| 21:12.06 | maquis | you want to be with them? |
| 21:12.10 | maquis | where are they going anyway/ |
| 21:12.19 | sjansen | Instead, I"m going to be having a bumpy week. |
| 21:12.30 | maquis | sjansen: what are you doing this week? |
| 21:12.46 | sjansen | To the moon, maquis! |
| 21:12.54 | xbmodder_ | lol |
| 21:13.00 | maquis | sjansen: wow... they have linux admins there too? |
| 21:13.18 | sjansen | xbmodder_: goozbach was on his treo |
| 21:13.27 | sjansen | maquis: bryan is my boss |
| 21:13.28 | xbmodder_ | oh... |
| 21:13.31 | xbmodder_ | hehe |
| 21:13.36 | maquis | sjansen: and you can't lart your boss? |
| 21:13.47 | sjansen | probably not a good idea |
| 21:13.49 | maquis | it's not like he'd see, since he doesn't come by here |
| 21:15.22 | maquis | ??? |
| 21:16.14 | xbmodder_ | what was it a class of? |
| 21:19.44 | sjansen | Linux training of course. A custom class with some with some features that promise a painful week for me. |
| 21:22.29 | xbmodder_ | Linux Training on the moon. Thats what nasa's great plan is? |
| 21:23.45 | sjansen | I can roll with the problems I know I'll have. And I'm certain that shourt of natural disaster, I can roll with anything unexpected. |
| 21:24.37 | tensai | sjansen: it can't be worse than having to teach my company |
| 21:24.39 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.18 | sjansen | tensai: I had only one complaint teaching your company--no great restraunts Idaho Falls. No Cheese Cake Factory. No Ruth Chris. Etc. |
| 21:46.50 | sjansen | Oh... and actual frost on my windows in the morning. That was annoying too. |
| 21:50.36 | tensai | sjansen: just be glad we did it in Idaho Falls and not Riverton. There are like 3 restaraunts there. |
| 21:51.55 | sjansen | I'd ask how your survive, but it's probably the same way I do when I'm not travelling. |
| 21:54.55 | sjansen | Is there any way to get vim bindings in irssi? I'm just about ready to go back to xchat. |
| 22:05.09 | maquis | sjansen: i've never tried... |
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| 22:24.22 | elg | so next week is conference. wonder when the first "listening to conference in linux" post will be |
| 22:24.34 | elg | speaking of which, it looks like they're still streaming in WMV |
| 22:24.39 | elg | er, WMA |
| 22:24.51 | elg | does mplayer do that? |
| 22:26.07 | xbmodder_ | lol |
| 22:27.02 | elg | hmm, it played the test stream at about 3x speed |
| 22:27.09 | elg | that would be an interesting way to listen to conference |
| 22:28.12 | elg | ~spell bouy |
| 22:28.42 | elg | sounds ok on linux, just mplayer on mac that goes 3x. |
| 22:35.22 | sjansen | further proof that macs are an evil plot |
| 22:35.57 | maquis | ~bart sjansen |
| 22:35.59 | ibot | ACTION forces sjansen to eat her shorts |
| 22:36.51 | sjansen | You can't bart me! I invented the bart. |
| 22:39.50 | maquis | sjansen: too bad |
| 22:40.15 | xbmodder_ | ? |
| 22:40.19 | xbmodder_ | ~hello moto |
| 22:40.43 | sjansen | ~/clear |
| 22:49.19 | maquis | hmmm |
| 22:49.26 | maquis | the first week of october is going to be fun |
| 22:49.46 | maquis | civ midterm on monday... |
| 22:49.57 | maquis | cs330 midterm is open monday and tuesday |
| 22:50.11 | maquis | cs330 quiz (rather big) wednesday |
| 22:50.17 | maquis | d&c midterm wednesday |
| 22:50.23 | maquis | cs465 midterm friday |
| 22:50.47 | maquis | oh... and this is all for the week after gen. conf.... |
| 23:04.58 | xbmodder_ | http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/album/50.jpg |
| 23:05.06 | xbmodder_ | someone who used my myspace image resizer :) |
