| 00:03.01 | xbmodder_lappy | yo yo yo! |
| 00:14.02 | goozbach | so Ilm pretty sure Pittsburgh is a football town. |
| 00:14.57 | goozbach | here I am at the baseball game and i ca see a total of 6 pirates jerseys |
| 00:15.41 | goozbach | where in the same area there are over twenty settlers jerseys |
| 00:21.20 | goozbach | max payne was heavily influanced by the sin city comics. |
| 00:23.08 | goozbach | and the movie sin city has various mutiple-page cell for shot translations |
| 00:23.42 | goozbach | eg it looks EXACTLY like the comic |
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| 00:26.21 | goozbach | and then there's jakea... |
| 00:26.31 | jakea | ya, he's a hoser |
| 00:27.48 | goozbach | someone tell me if you can see me on ESPN |
| 00:30.21 | emcnabb | goozbach, settlers? |
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| 00:35.25 | RyanE_ | yeah, Settlers of Catan jerseys. Go Settlers! |
| 00:36.29 | goozbach | pirates |
| 00:36.47 | goozbach | and steelers |
| 00:37.24 | goozbach | my bad |
| 00:38.19 | goozbach | not much cooler a double play. |
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| 00:46.42 | findlay | how do I kill an internet connection to a specific remote host? |
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| 00:47.19 | findlay | especially if I do not know if there is any process attached to the connection? |
| 00:47.54 | goozbach | use netstat to find a PID |
| 00:48.06 | goozbach | then kill the pid |
| 00:48.19 | goozbach | I should be at a green day concert with a tall hot blonde. |
| 00:48.30 | goozbach | but nooooo... i'm in pittsburgh sitting by myself watching a baseball game |
| 00:48.56 | findlay | guess I should have consulted 'man netstat' first (: |
| 00:50.52 | findlay | goozbach: in two weeks I'll be at a Dvorak concert with a short beautiful brunette, yes sir |
| 00:53.05 | goozbach | john c. dvorak? :) |
| 00:54.46 | findlay | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton%C3%ADn_Dvo%C5%99%C3%A1k |
| 00:56.06 | goozbach | cliff notes version? (I'm no my treo) |
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| 00:57.50 | goozbach | NM links handled that link |
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| 00:58.23 | findlay | ~wiki Dvorak |
| 01:01.27 | findlay | it would be pretty sweet if you could use it as a voip phone |
| 01:01.40 | findlay | and a gps too |
| 01:03.06 | goozbach | not sure about the VOIP... but it does GPS fairly well with a bluetooth GPS module such as the tomtom |
| 01:04.45 | sjansen | k/clear |
| 01:10.59 | findlay | ha |
| 01:12.05 | findlay | quoth the article: |
| 01:12.15 | findlay | Dvorák himself numbered his 9th Symphony as "number 5," in a superstitious attempt to cheat the tendency for composers to die after composing their ninth symphonies. The trick did not work, and Dvoák died before completing a tenth. |
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| 02:16.33 | roscivs | Is there a way to require squirrelmail to use https? |
| 02:17.10 | goozbach | mod rewrite |
| 02:19.01 | roscivs | cool, found it, thx. |
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| 03:43.03 | findlay | ~lart maquis for no aparent reason |
| 03:43.14 | maquis | hey! |
| 03:43.20 | findlay | ibot: why not 26? |
| 03:43.44 | findlay | ibot: 26 is the new 42 |
| 03:43.46 | ibot | okay, findlay |
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| 04:35.56 | levi | Heh, fun ST:TNG episode. |
| 04:36.40 | maquis | levi: which one? |
| 04:36.57 | maquis | was ensign ro in it? |
| 04:37.14 | levi | It was one with Q, when he got kicked out of the continuum and became human. |
| 04:40.52 | maquis | Q is funny |
| 04:42.48 | levi | He makes me laugh! |
| 04:43.01 | maquis | :) |
| 04:43.03 | levi | The other Q in the episode was kinda funny, too. |
| 04:43.20 | levi | So, any Scheme questions today? |
| 04:43.33 | maquis | i did my homework |
| 04:43.39 | maquis | it's all done |
| 04:43.47 | maquis | and it works well! :) |
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| 04:49.07 | dead | hrmm, i have a directory, which upon attempted read hangs for about a minute, then gives an input/output error |
| 04:49.16 | Supaplex | roscivs: yea, don't use a host that listen on port 80 :) |
| 04:49.31 | dead | thus, any ls on it or the parent directory results in long waits and much annoyance |
| 04:50.00 | Supaplex | maybe your filesystem is hosed |
| 04:50.26 | Supaplex | maybe it's riserfs *ba-doom-tssh* |
| 04:50.39 | dead | any other directory is trouple free |
| 04:50.48 | dead | von@aragorn /av$ sudo rm -rf backup |
| 04:50.48 | dead | rm: cannot lstat `backup': Input/output error |
| 04:51.26 | Supaplex | take it offline, fsck it, happy days. (that's unless you have no backups, *and* your fs disappears after fsck'n it) |
| 04:58.42 | dead | fsck is doing absolutely nothing |
| 04:59.13 | maquis | dead: are you forcing a check? |
| 04:59.46 | dead | what's the option? |
| 04:59.57 | maquis | i think it's -f |
| 05:02.34 | dead | still nothing |
| 05:02.48 | maquis | hmmm |
| 05:02.52 | maquis | is it mounted? |
| 05:03.00 | vontrapp | mounted read-only |
| 05:03.18 | vontrapp | i couldn't unmount it because it's 'busy' and i cant find the process to kill |
| 05:03.34 | maquis | hmmm |
| 05:03.42 | maquis | i normally run fsck from knoppix |
| 05:03.57 | vontrapp | well, this computer is headless |
| 05:04.48 | maquis | single-user-mode? |
| 05:04.53 | maquis | or does that not work either? |
| 05:04.57 | maquis | can you give it a head? |
| 05:05.06 | vontrapp | ahh, this is from a share mounted from another computer |
| 05:05.08 | vontrapp | ~lart samba |
| 05:05.41 | levi | So, my lecture series class today was a presentation by the product manager of Visual C++ from Microsoft. |
| 05:05.59 | vontrapp | doh, i did 'init 1' and now can't connect :( |
| 05:06.09 | levi | vontrapp: Whoops. |
| 05:06.22 | vontrapp | good thing the power button works to shutdown |
| 05:06.35 | levi | He talked about life at Microsoft, Windows Vista, and Visual C++.net |
| 05:06.44 | levi | And, quite frankly, I was impressed. |
| 05:07.03 | emcnabb_ | levi, how so? |
| 05:08.10 | levi | It looks like they're putting a lot of work into the foundations. |
| 05:09.06 | levi | Quite a bit of focus on verifiable software and security. |
| 05:09.54 | levi | And the integration of .net stuff with natively compiled stuff is seamless. |
| 05:12.26 | vontrapp | how does a cups uri work? |
| 05:14.08 | levi | Plus, they're working with standards bodies to get the .net extensions to C++ standardized. |
| 05:14.08 | levi | C++.net lets you compile straight C++ code to IL. A demo they did was to take the Quake source code and compile it to IL. Apparently the only changes they had to make were some mismatched prototypes or something. |
| 05:14.35 | levi | It ran faster than natively compiled code on P3s and Pentium Ms, but a little slower on P4s. He said they expect it to be a little slower overall when everything else is equal, but it's only a little slower. |
| 05:14.56 | emcnabb_ | interesting |
| 05:18.32 | levi | You can still do pointer math with pointers, and you do memory allocation manually. But you can also create 'managed' classes and references (called handles) that are allocated in the garbage-collected heap. |
| 05:19.48 | levi | You can also link JITed IL code and statically compiled code, too. |
| 05:45.17 | vontrapp | how do you enable ipp printing in cups? |
| 05:46.07 | levi | I dunno, I just log into the web interface and fiddle with stuff. |
| 05:56.55 | xbmodder_lappy | vontrapp, Isn't enabled by default? |
| 05:57.29 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, it'll be a messed up version :-/ |
| 05:57.47 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: What? |
| 05:58.37 | vontrapp | i don't think so |
| 05:58.50 | vontrapp | if so, i have no idea how to find out what uri it's enabled on |
| 05:59.21 | emcnabb | what's the printer's name? |
| 05:59.31 | vontrapp | DeskJet-5740 |
| 05:59.36 | emcnabb | ipp://odin.mcnabbs.org/printers/HPLJ2300 |
| 05:59.52 | emcnabb | that's the IPP URI on my laptop for my home print server |
| 06:01.50 | vontrapp | hmm, how do i set the printer name? |
| 06:03.46 | emcnabb | lpadmin -p HPLJ2300 -E -P /tmp/hplj2300.ppd -v http://odin.mcnabbs.org/printer/ |
| 06:04.57 | vontrapp | no, i mean set the name on the serving computer, so it's shared under a certain name |
| 06:05.31 | emcnabb | you can change it in /etc/cups/printers.conf |
| 06:05.53 | xbmodder_lappy | * levi shakes Microsoft for making a document rendering language in XML. < I think that MS will mess with it... |
| 06:05.54 | vontrapp | yeah, that's what i'm doing right now |
| 06:06.08 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, do you have security on it? |
| 06:06.23 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: I still don't know what you meant. |
| 06:06.34 | emcnabb | <DefaultPrinter HPLJ2300> |
| 06:08.32 | emcnabb | "security" on my print server? |
| 06:08.40 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, it'll be wierd. levi Like CSS for word/IE is wierd |
| 06:09.22 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: Of course it will be weird. It's going to do something like postscript or pdf in XML. |
| 06:09.53 | emcnabb | vontrapp, I'm a little confused about what you're doing? Are you trying to set up the print server or the client? |
| 06:10.10 | vontrapp | server |
| 06:10.29 | emcnabb | ok |
| 06:10.37 | emcnabb | here is what I have in my cupsd.conf file |
| 06:10.43 | emcnabb | <Location /printers/HPLJ2300> |
| 06:10.43 | emcnabb | Order Deny,Allow |
| 06:10.43 | emcnabb | Deny From All |
| 06:10.43 | emcnabb | Allow From 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:10.43 | emcnabb | Allow From 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 |
| 06:10.43 | emcnabb | AuthType None |
| 06:10.45 | emcnabb | </Location> |
| 06:10.50 | emcnabb | Listen 127.0.0.1:631 |
| 06:10.50 | emcnabb | Listen 172.16.8.2:631 |
| 06:16.08 | levi | Whoa, they tacked lisp onto C# and VB: http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframework/future/linq/default.aspx?pull=/library/en-us/dndotnet/html/linqprojectovw.asp |
| 06:23.23 | emcnabb | night all |
| 06:24.05 | levi | Time for me to stop reading MSDN stuff and sleep. |
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| 06:27.19 | vontrapp | can you diefine that with a subnet? |
| 06:27.19 | vontrapp | e.g. 172.17.0.1/16 |
| 06:27.19 | vontrapp | oh, nevermind |
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| 13:20.23 | hans | does html have one of those "type in what you want or select from the list" widgets? or do you have to have a drop-down and an OR field? |
| 13:35.52 | synic | hans: the latter. |
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| 14:18.08 | goozbach | http://www.theregister.com/2005/09/21/bumvertising/ <--wish I'd have thought about that |
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| 14:20.00 | goozbach | WOW!!!! slashdot is now using html 4.01 AND CSS |
| 14:22.28 | xbmodder | wow |
| 14:27.14 | xbmodder | it looks funny |
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| 14:32.31 | hans | http://rss.slashdot.org/Slashdot/slashdot?m=700 |
| 14:32.42 | hans | duh. DUH. is this the first anyone's thought of that? DUH! |
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| 14:56.33 | sjansen | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 14:57.31 | sjansen | ~fart Jayce^ |
| 14:57.32 | ibot | ACTION farts in Jayce^'s general direction |
| 14:57.44 | sjansen | ~tart Jayce^ |
| 14:57.46 | ibot | ACTION grabs her fully automatic pop tart gun and fires a hot stream at Jayce^ |
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| 15:06.52 | scott | wow, this is cool: http://www.marumushi.com/apps/newsmap/newsmap.cfm |
| 15:08.06 | sjansen | Wow, that is so a flash app I can't see! |
| 15:11.02 | Jayce^ | ~lart sjansen |
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| 15:12.54 | sjansen | ~cart Jayce^ |
| 15:12.56 | ibot | ACTION ties Jayce^ into a shopping cart then leaves Jayce^ on an interstate off ramp |
| 15:14.06 | Jayce^ | ~smack sjansen |
| 15:14.07 | ibot | ACTION smacks sjansen upside the head. |
| 15:15.43 | sjansen | ~dart Jayce^ |
| 15:15.45 | ibot | ACTION toasts Jayce^ with a five foot long bluedart |
| 15:18.22 | Jayce^ | ~cook sjansen |
| 15:18.23 | ibot | ACTION throws sjansen in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks sjansen on 350 for an hour |
| 15:19.04 | sjansen | ~bart Jayce^ |
| 15:19.06 | ibot | ACTION forces Jayce^ to eat her shorts |
| 15:19.22 | goozbach | botfight!!! |
| 15:19.39 | goozbach | ~botfight |
| 15:19.40 | ibot | George- stop it! |
| 15:20.04 | hans | george? who is george? |
| 15:20.06 | hans | ~george |
| 15:20.08 | ibot | from memory, george is gwright@kde.org and a KDE devel |
| 15:20.31 | goozbach | cool trick I figured out: http://blogs.gurulabs.com/derek/archives/2005/09/lock_down.html |
| 15:20.41 | Jayce^ | goozbach, nah, I can always just kick sjansen |
| 15:21.27 | goozbach | heh, so can I |
| 15:21.56 | Jayce^ | you know you want to |
| 15:22.37 | sjansen | ~mart Jayce^ |
| 15:22.38 | ibot | ACTION dumps a cherry Quicky Mart Shuishee on Jayce^'s head |
| 15:23.07 | hans | shuishee huh? is that some souix indian tribal drink? |
| 15:23.12 | hans | sioux? |
| 15:23.18 | hans | ~spell sioux |
| 15:24.04 | hans | kwikie mart siouxie |
| 15:24.44 | sjansen | ~mart hans |
| 15:24.46 | ibot | ACTION dumps a cherry Kwikie Mart Squishee on hans's head |
| 15:25.06 | Jayce^ | siouxsie? :) |
| 15:55.23 | hans | do you make best efforts, or give them, or what? |
| 15:55.36 | hans | "I will make my best effort..." |
| 15:56.51 | goozbach | hans: you can't give your best effort without making it first |
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| 16:13.58 | goozbach | perl.... PERL.... PERL!!!!! |
| 16:14.11 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 16:14.25 | goozbach | don't mind me... just trying to summon fozz |
| 16:14.54 | Jayce^ | oh, thought I heard my name.... :-p |
| 16:15.01 | graphyx | Your name is Perl? |
| 16:15.25 | goozbach | Jayce^: I knew you were online |
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| 16:15.50 | goozbach | that incantation will sumon whichever of you two that isn't currently online |
| 16:15.52 | Jayce^ | graphyx, close enough |
| 16:16.01 | goozbach | see! |
| 16:16.02 | fozzmoo | Who Summons me?! |
| 16:16.18 | Jayce^ | at least he didnt' forget his towel |
| 16:16.33 | amcnabb | This is like a MUD or something. |
| 16:16.39 | Jayce^ | speaking of which, it's time to watch HHGttG again |
| 16:16.52 | amcnabb | What's HHGttG? |
| 16:16.54 | goozbach | Jayce^: ondiv and I watched it sat night |
| 16:17.03 | goozbach | ~lart amcnabb |
| 16:17.08 | Jayce^ | ~slap amcnabb |
| 16:17.10 | ibot | ACTION slaps amcnabb, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 16:17.12 | amcnabb | Ouch |
| 16:17.24 | goozbach | fozzmoo: when you heading out to the SON show? |
| 16:17.34 | fozzmoo | Fri morning. |
| 16:17.34 | goozbach | tonight? tomorrow morn? |
| 16:17.36 | fozzmoo | Tomorrow. |
| 16:17.37 | Jayce^ | ~HHGttG |
| 16:17.39 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, hhgttg is Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. A fine, fine book, with practical travel tips for galactic tourists. Don't forget your towel! |
| 16:17.39 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
| 16:17.57 | fozzmoo | goozbach: btw, I got our new video projector yesterday. |
| 16:17.58 | amcnabb | ok. Acronyms stink. |
| 16:18.11 | goozbach | and when are you coming back? sat night? sun morning? |
| 16:18.11 | sjansen | graphyx: Jayce^ is a little confused, he can't tell the difference between perl and the pascal his nick is based on |
| 16:18.16 | fozzmoo | Sun morning. |
| 16:18.18 | Jayce^ | well, you dont' really expect us to type the whole thing out do you? |
| 16:18.20 | fozzmoo | Well, Sun afternoon. |
| 16:18.34 | Jayce^ | ok sjansen that's just hitting below the belt... |
| 16:18.37 | amcnabb | Every time--with correct capitalization. |
| 16:18.40 | fozzmoo | PASCAL?! I thought it was a regex. |
| 16:18.44 | Jayce^ | comparing most anything to pascal... |
| 16:18.54 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, how could it? ^ at the end???? |
| 16:18.58 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 16:19.12 | Jayce^ | ^Jayce (In the beginning was Jayce) ? :-p |
| 16:19.17 | fozzmoo | "Invalid regex" then. |
| 16:19.22 | goozbach | it's a multi-line regex |
| 16:19.43 | Jayce^ | always use /xms :) |
| 16:19.48 | goozbach | match the line that the previous line ended with Jayce |
| 16:21.11 | Jayce^ | goozbach, we gotta work on getting fozzmoo back out to play paintball again |
| 16:21.37 | fozzmoo | I agree! |
| 16:21.52 | fozzmoo | Esp. now that I have a little bit of disposable income for gear. |
| 16:22.19 | Jayce^ | scweet |
| 16:22.24 | goozbach | Jayce^: next time you set up a game, we'll summon fozz right before discussing it |
| 16:25.57 | Jayce^ | so anybody else watch the video of that JetBlue flight? |
| 16:26.05 | Jayce^ | some seriously good pilot skills |
| 16:26.27 | fozzmoo | Yeah... |
| 16:26.39 | fozzmoo | I flew JetBlue to NYC a couple years ago. |
| 16:26.42 | fozzmoo | Fun airline. |
| 16:26.45 | fozzmoo | TV in every seat. |
| 16:27.00 | fozzmoo | Which brings up... |
| 16:27.02 | fozzmoo | http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/22/D8CPB5UO4.html |
| 16:30.29 | Jayce^ | "He joked that he was sorry he put the plane down 6 inches off the center line," |
| 16:31.17 | goozbach | :) |
| 16:31.31 | fozzmoo | MMmmm Coke Zero. |
| 16:33.15 | goozbach | hah! I'm gonna drink my Dr. Pepper -1 |
| 16:33.37 | goozbach | it comes with a laxitive, so it has negitive net carbs |
| 16:33.48 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 16:33.52 | dataw0lf | o_O |
| 16:35.03 | Jayce^ | fitting for Dr. Pepper... extra prunes |
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| 16:46.23 | dataw0lf | anyone know of any tools to use for repairing tape headers? |
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| 17:31.39 | hans | can just any old winxp box be a wins server? |
| 17:32.17 | fozzmoo | If you install Linux+Samba over the top, sure! |
| 17:32.18 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 17:34.21 | hans | :) |
| 17:34.38 | maquis | haha |
| 17:36.08 | hans | i set up a vpn for someone yesterday and in the process had to tweak their modem and linksys router settings. I saw a dhcp wins setting so I set it to the box that they use as their file server, thinking wins was part of the whole windows networking thing. today their (infrequently used, thankfully) ability to look at files from other computers is broken. wondering if it might be my fault. going over to look later, anyway, after class |
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| 18:09.12 | emcnabb-treo | traffic is horrible |
| 18:09.14 | emcnabb-treo | ugghh |
| 18:09.40 | Jayce^ | trying to get out of town? |
| 18:10.18 | fozzmoo | Could just be a general statement. |
| 18:10.45 | maquis | emcnabb-treo: my guess is that it's going to just get worse |
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| 18:12.47 | goozbach | he's been standing here in his towell for that long. |
| 18:12.56 | goozbach | I told him he could go back to his botle |
| 18:12.58 | maquis | haha |
| 18:13.03 | goozbach | er bottle |
| 18:15.27 | maquis | goozbach: genies just don't work that way :) |
| 18:18.04 | sjansen | Ubuntu vs. DCC Alliance, Red Hat vs. LSB, Tom Lord vs. The World |
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| 18:18.31 | sjansen | It's nice to know things are going so well the Linux world can affort to go at each other's throats. |
| 18:19.27 | maquis | haha |
| 18:21.26 | graphyx | emcnabb-treo: It isn't as bad as when the berlin wall came down.. |
| 18:21.49 | graphyx | They had parking lot stop and go traffic for over a 100 mile stretch. |
| 18:22.34 | goozbach | sjansen: what did Tom Lord say now? |
| 18:22.53 | Jayce^ | desc user; |
| 18:22.57 | Jayce^ | erg.. |
| 18:23.09 | goozbach | and how exactly is Red Hat against the LSB? |
| 18:23.24 | maquis | Jayce^: out of curiosity, what are you doing? |
| 18:23.34 | goozbach | other than that already settled /etc/rc.d/ feaciso |
| 18:23.34 | sjansen | maquis: sql |
| 18:23.38 | Jayce^ | looking at a table of course |
| 18:23.50 | maquis | hmmm |
| 18:23.57 | maquis | i thought it was "order by user desc" |
| 18:24.03 | maquis | or maybe that's just sql server |
| 18:24.25 | Jayce^ | no, desc is short for describe tablename |
| 18:24.31 | sjansen | goozbach: tom lord - nothing for the past couple days, red hat - one of their engineers criticized the lsb tests as basically useless |
| 18:24.38 | maquis | Jayce^: oh |
| 18:25.01 | maquis | lsb == linux standards base? |
| 18:25.14 | maquis | hmmm |
| 18:25.17 | goozbach | sjansen: just checking, I wanted to be sure I hadn't missed anything |
| 18:25.24 | sjansen | maquis: not everyone write their sql in a program that shows pretty pictures of tables |
| 18:25.27 | maquis | if i want to open an xls file, do i have to install openoffice? |
| 18:25.32 | maquis | sjansen: i know |
| 18:25.36 | maquis | i've used mysql |
| 18:25.43 | maquis | but i thought it was something else there |
| 18:25.45 | goozbach | sjansen: you have a link as to this crisicm |
| 18:25.46 | maquis | i'm trying to switch to pgsql |
| 18:25.47 | goozbach | ? |
| 18:25.56 | sjansen | maquis: but have you used a real database? |
| 18:26.01 | maquis | the problem is just that i learned sql on sql server |
| 18:26.01 | goozbach | pgsql++ |
| 18:26.08 | Jayce^ | ~smack sjansen |
| 18:26.09 | ibot | ACTION smacks sjansen upside the head. |
| 18:26.19 | goozbach | maquis: I did too |
| 18:26.20 | maquis | sjansen: like i said... i'm trying to switch to pgsql |
| 18:26.32 | maquis | what do you regard as a "real database" |
| 18:26.36 | maquis | ? |
| 18:26.39 | maquis | goozbach: it's a hard switch |
| 18:26.52 | sjansen | http://www.livejournal.com/users/udrepper/ |
| 18:26.57 | maquis | anyway, do i have to install openoffice to open a .xls? |
| 18:27.15 | goozbach | my best friend for the transition period was pgadmin3 |
| 18:27.21 | sjansen | gnumeric is smaller and has good xls support |
| 18:27.31 | goozbach | it was a good GUI crutch |
| 18:27.37 | goozbach | till I LEARNED sql |
| 18:27.54 | maquis | i've been trying not to use any guis |
| 18:27.56 | Jayce^ | pgadmin3 is quite nice.. I still use it quite a bit for general stuff |
| 18:28.11 | maquis | i can now survive in mysql without a gui, but i have to look things up on occasion |
| 18:28.46 | Jayce^ | and Tora for oracle.. |
| 18:29.41 | sjansen | If we ever acheive time travel and start sending back robot assasins, my vote for first target will be Monty. MySQL has taught so many bad habits to so many developers. |
| 18:30.35 | Jayce^ | you'd really do that before killing of the evil that is VB.. |
| 18:33.18 | sjansen | Jayce^: see, that's why you're plug president and I'm not |
| 18:33.29 | sjansen | of _course_ VB must be eliminated first |
| 18:34.40 | sjansen | On a related note, I love my job. I'm starting to forget there are any other operating systems than Linux. |
| 18:35.17 | maquis | sjansen: that's nice :-P |
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| 18:46.44 | vontrapp | haha! victory!! |
| 18:47.13 | vontrapp | so in irb: |
| 18:47.29 | vontrapp | host = `ssh schizo screen -ls` until host[/There is a screen/] |
| 18:47.31 | vontrapp | puts host |
| 18:47.47 | vontrapp | so... beautiful |
| 18:48.00 | vontrapp | and it worked, too |
| 18:52.04 | maquis | vontrapp: nice |
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| 19:03.14 | Tene | irb? |
| 19:03.24 | sjansen | interactive ruby shell |
| 19:03.31 | Tene | ahh |
| 19:06.17 | levi | Interactive language shells are wonderful. |
| 19:07.34 | Tene | Hmm. I think I just did something naughty. |
| 19:07.57 | Tene | I'm working with some mailboxes, and I was making a file for each user. |
| 19:08.08 | Tene | [tene@ghandi foobarbaz]$ touch secretary |
| 19:08.18 | vontrapp | lol |
| 19:08.31 | levi | There are more naughty things you can do with unix commands. |
| 19:08.45 | JoshH | strip, finger, etc |
| 19:08.50 | JoshH | touch is tame |
| 19:08.54 | Jayce^ | at least he wasn't trying to mount a partition :) |
| 19:09.10 | JoshH | or man mount |
| 19:09.41 | levi | Somewhere, there's a whole list of unix commands that, together, describe an amorous encounter. |
| 19:10.01 | Jayce^ | I believe thinkgeek has it on a shirt |
| 19:10.12 | Tene | many places, levi. |
| 19:10.57 | levi | Most jokes on the internet exist in many places. I was just saying that such a thing exists. |
| 19:11.01 | JoshH | http://josh222.dyndns.org/files/gnomefoo/img/shirt.jpg |
| 19:12.12 | JoshH | hmm, what does gasp do |
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| 19:15.01 | Tene | And I misspelled 'gandhi' when I named this machine and didn't notice it until someone else just pointed it out. |
| 19:16.50 | sjansen | http://nixdoc.net/man-pages/Linux/man1/gasp.1.html |
| 19:18.48 | JoshH | ah, something ill probably never use. |
| 19:21.57 | sjansen | Looks like emcnabb made it to the airport. :-) |
| 19:22.21 | maquis | sjansen: ? |
| 19:22.40 | maquis | how'd you know he made it? |
| 19:23.04 | levi | Heh, some scheme love from Microsoft: http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/05/10/EndBracket/default.aspx |
| 19:23.05 | sjansen | maquis: An ancient technology called telephone. |
| 19:23.20 | maquis | sjansen: such things exist? |
| 19:24.47 | sjansen | ~urls |
| 19:25.34 | maquis | levi: doesn't it seem at all weird to you to see esr quoted at msdn? |
| 19:26.11 | levi | maquis: Not really. |
| 19:26.46 | levi | maquis: Microsoft has spent years hiring all the smartest CS people they can get their hands on. |
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| 19:27.46 | levi | maquis: Behind the corporate curtain, I suspect most of the smart CS people there respect the same people we do. |
| 19:27.51 | sjansen | but the support base just isn't there yet, not enough bindings, not enough distro packaging |
| 19:27.56 | maquis | sjansen: you don't like ruby? |
| 19:28.18 | levi | sjansen: A lot of that depends on which Scheme you look at. There are a lot of bindings for schemes like Gambit and Chicken. |
| 19:28.40 | maquis | ~welcome amcnabb |
| 19:28.41 | ibot | Hey, amcnabb! Glad you could join us. |
| 19:28.49 | levi | maquis: IMHO, you should skip perl until Perl 6 is out. |
| 19:30.08 | sjansen | maquis: I love Ruby. It's beautiful and simple. Ruby code is usually naturally maintainable. |
| 19:30.11 | levi | sjansen: Last night I pasted a link to a technical overview of Microsoft's new LINQ stuff, which is what Don Box was referring to in the last paragraph of that link I just pasted. It really is tacking a lisp onto C# and VB. |
| 19:30.43 | graphyx | ESR |
| 19:30.46 | graphyx | ESR |
| 19:30.48 | levi | sjansen: And eventually Visual C++.net as well. |
| 19:30.49 | graphyx | arg... |
| 19:31.11 | graphyx | ESR's how to be a hacker states: Develop your appreciation of puns and wordplay. I knew I came by it honestly... |
| 19:31.12 | sjansen | But scheme is is even more beautiful and powerful once you learn to embrace the paren. |
| 19:34.32 | levi | sjansen: Have you read Steele's Lambda, the Ultimate papers? |
| 19:36.10 | sjansen | nope |
| 19:37.31 | levi | sjansen: They're pretty interesting, as they explain how to build pretty much anything you want out of lambdas. |
| 19:37.55 | graphyx | Do they mention 1 or 0's? |
| 19:37.57 | graphyx | j/k. |
| 19:39.09 | levi | graphyx: Have you heard of Church Numerals? |
| 19:39.18 | graphyx | levi: nope. |
| 19:40.44 | levi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_numeral |
| 19:41.41 | levi | Not that I'd recommend building your real numbers out of lambdas. |
| 19:43.12 | graphyx | yeah.. |
| 19:43.16 | graphyx | seems a bit a complex. |
| 19:43.55 | levi | sjansen: I think there's now more than sufficient support to do web applications in scheme in a couple of different scheme implementations. |
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| 19:45.14 | levi | graphyx: The idea is actually very simple. It's just not nearly as efficient as representing numbers as binary bit patterns. |
| 19:46.19 | graphyx | Looks a lot like the atomic functions that they taught us in 252. |
| 19:48.05 | levi | Yes, they were probably covered in 252. I took it so long ago I don't recall everything that was covered. |
| 19:48.22 | graphyx | It's been a couple years for me as well. |
| 19:48.31 | graphyx | perhaps maquis can remember for us all. |
| 19:48.52 | maquis | huh? |
| 19:48.55 | maquis | remember what? |
| 19:49.10 | graphyx | atomic functions in 252 |
| 19:49.17 | maquis | nope |
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| 19:50.55 | amcnabb | OT: I just sent an email out to the uug, but in case any of you are interested, there's an opening in November in the geekiest apartment in Provo. If anyone's sick of where they live, let me know. |
| 19:51.11 | amcnabb | (Scott, Topher, and I are all there) |
| 19:52.25 | levi | maquis: I think BYU would frown upon that. |
| 19:52.39 | levi | maquis: Not to mention the church in general. |
| 19:52.52 | amcnabb | Not to mention ME. |
| 19:53.00 | maquis | :( |
| 19:53.16 | maquis | amcnabb: you going to the opening social tonight? |
| 19:53.31 | graphyx | you two could marry and then it would be ok... |
| 19:56.22 | amcnabb | OK for who? |
| 19:56.37 | maquis | ouch! |
| 19:56.40 | maquis | : |
| 19:56.40 | maquis | :) |
| 19:57.15 | graphyx | BYU. |
| 19:57.39 | graphyx | oh whoops. |
| 19:57.45 | graphyx | Didn't notice that there were other guys there. |
| 19:57.54 | levi | Heh. |
| 19:57.55 | graphyx | You would have to be related to the other guys there and then you could get married.. |
| 19:58.01 | graphyx | And then BYU wouldn't care. |
| 19:58.07 | graphyx | cause you can live with married relatives. |
| 19:59.17 | graphyx | ~lart myself |
| 19:59.37 | amcnabb | ~lart this topic |
| 20:02.56 | maquis | anyway... moving on |
| 20:03.37 | levi | This is a beautiful car: http://www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000960059915/ |
| 20:04.09 | levi | Beautiful in execution, at least. It's got kind of a funny shape. |
| 20:04.56 | hans | i like the shape |
| 20:04.58 | hans | I think it's neat |
| 20:05.04 | spr | pretty |
| 20:06.13 | levi | I like it too, but I have doubts that it'd be a universal favorite. |
| 20:06.47 | sjansen | Aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh! |
| 20:07.06 | sjansen | I guess I have little room to complain seeing as I'm using pre-release software, but still... |
| 20:07.10 | sjansen | Aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh! |
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| 20:09.43 | sjansen | yet another car that says to me "rolling target" |
| 20:10.48 | levi | sjansen: Target for what? |
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| 20:12.51 | sjansen | Semis, hummers, trucks, vans, large station wagons... |
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| 20:18.16 | emcnabb-treo | at least the smoothie/baggle shop line in the airport only has about 100 people in it (down from 400 45 minutes ago) |
| 20:18.39 | goozbach | holy cow! |
| 20:18.41 | emcnabb-treo | so hungry... |
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| 20:19.16 | goozbach | peanuts on your flight? |
| 20:19.56 | goozbach | I've started collecting food during the week to place in my bag for the flight |
| 20:20.04 | emcnabb-treo | there are two places in this terminal that have ANY type of food: smoothie shop and chinese restaurant |
| 20:20.26 | emcnabb-treo | good idea |
| 20:20.42 | emcnabb-treo | usually I have something on me |
| 20:21.13 | emcnabb-treo | I haven't eaten anything since 5pm yesterday |
| 20:21.29 | emcnabb-treo | there's just nothing open in town |
| 20:25.13 | amcnabb | Which city are you in? |
| 20:26.00 | emcnabb-treo | Houston |
| 20:28.13 | amcnabb | Anyone who does CentOS stuff, what would cause "cpp: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory" to be given when you run cpp? |
| 20:28.25 | amcnabb | Obviously cc1plus doesn't exist. |
| 20:28.28 | levi | More evidence that John C. Dvorak (not the writer of symphonies!) is an idiot gasbag: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1857981,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03079TX1K0000584 |
| 20:29.00 | levi | Summary: big hard drives are destroying society! |
| 20:30.33 | amcnabb | Yeah, he's a crackpot. |
| 20:37.51 | graphyx | He would probably site the inability to put a portable hole into it. And state that the resulting implosion of the universe is too much a liability to deal with bags of holding. |
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| 20:42.01 | emcnabb-treo | well, all three blenders at the smoothie shop have burnt out |
| 20:42.06 | emcnabb-treo | no smoothie for me |
| 20:42.22 | maquis | ouch |
| 20:43.09 | emcnabb-treo | the chinese restaurant doesn't even have rice now |
| 20:43.28 | sjansen | how's the bagel situation? |
| 20:43.37 | maquis | candy bars? |
| 20:43.55 | emcnabb-treo | gone. gone. |
| 20:44.44 | emcnabb-treo | there are a bunch of stores with food, but they're closed |
| 20:44.46 | fungus | Re: dvorak article. He is simply over exaggerating the general trend in the lack of data management to illustrate the point. |
| 20:45.03 | emcnabb-treo | loot them! |
| 20:46.32 | fungus | His point is valid, and IMHO correct. I deal with it all the time. customers and employees just keep all their old crap forever filling my server and costing our company more money. |
| 20:47.32 | amcnabb | It's not hard drives' fault. |
| 20:48.20 | maquis | i think that people will do things like that regardless |
| 20:48.25 | levi | fungus: The big hard drives did not /cause/ any problems at all. |
| 20:48.30 | fungus | Partially it is. If hard drives weren't large enough for people to be messy, they would be forced to clean up |
| 20:48.55 | maquis | fungus: but if it's not hard drives, they'll do it on their desk or someplace else |
| 20:49.31 | fungus | I don't think the whole blame is on the drives, but the drives enable people to be worse than they would normally be. |
| 20:49.39 | levi | fungus: There would be a huge pile of unlabled floppies at their desk. |
| 20:49.44 | fungus | The blame belongs to the lusers. |
| 20:49.48 | sjansen | fungus: no, it's your fault for not setting user quotas |
| 20:50.29 | fungus | sjansen, I use quotas, but it costs money for our tech support to explain to customers why their email doesn't work anymore. |
| 20:50.59 | sjansen | I guess you need bigger hard drives to keep their email working. |
| 20:52.00 | levi | fungus: Blaming lack of data management on big hard drives is just stupid. It may be less of a problem on small hard drives, but that's irrelevant when you're claiming that hard drives are destroying civilization. |
| 20:52.35 | fungus | levi, I said "I don't think the whole blame is on the drives, but the drives enable people to be worse than they would normally be." |
| 20:53.12 | fungus | and the destroying civilization part is a literary device to more clearly illustrate a point. |
| 20:53.39 | levi | fungus: I disagree that hard drives are at all to blame. |
| 20:54.41 | amcnabb | I think food is destroying civilization. |
| 20:54.47 | amcnabb | Look how much time people spend eating it. |
| 20:54.58 | emcnabb-treo | in fact, big hard drives are to blame for hurricane Rita |
| 20:55.17 | emcnabb-treo | dang you big hard drives! |
| 20:55.23 | levi | amcnabb: And it makes so many of them overweight, too! |
| 20:55.39 | levi | amcnabb: I think you're on to something. Maybe you could sell the story to PC Magazine. |
| 20:55.43 | sjansen | fungus: you can't say "our available storage is too big" and "our available storage is too small" in the same argument |
| 20:55.44 | fungus | The large hard drives enable the lusers to be more lax with data management. This in turn causes them to continue the problem elsewhere. |
| 20:55.48 | amcnabb | I think Russians are to blame for the hurricane |
| 20:56.13 | levi | fungus: It does not make them any more lax than they were before. |
| 20:56.15 | sjansen | amcnabb: Actually, it's probably a CIA plot. |
| 20:56.24 | amcnabb | Aaah! |
| 20:56.28 | fungus | sjansen, I never said available storage is too small. It isn't. It is just a huge mess. |
| 20:56.30 | graphyx | emcnabb-treo: You get yourself some food? |
| 20:56.47 | amcnabb | He's trying to save society by starving. |
| 20:56.48 | emcnabb-treo | not yet |
| 20:56.50 | levi | fungus: Sure, they would have to move stuff off the hard drive before. It just happened sooner. And so they ended up with piles of floppy disks instead of CDROMs. |
| 20:57.59 | fungus | People with large hard drives at home are mistrained to believe they have all the hard drive space in the world. This poor training then permeates to places where it may cause issues. |
| 20:58.03 | graphyx | That reminds me of my little brother. |
| 20:58.10 | graphyx | We had a 20 meg drive on a 8088 |
| 20:58.36 | maquis | emcnabb-treo: can the blender-people sell you the fruit they would've stuck in the blender? |
| 20:58.39 | maquis | that's at least food |
| 20:58.44 | graphyx | And when he would try to run programs it would say "not enough memory" and not run properly. Then he would proceed to delete stuff off the drive to get enough memory... |
| 20:58.48 | levi | fungus: No, it's your fault for not adequately explaining the limits of your service. |
| 20:58.49 | graphyx | He just didn't get it. |
| 20:59.32 | graphyx | emcnabb: Tell them to put what they would put in the blender into a cup. |
| 20:59.34 | graphyx | And sell you that. |
| 20:59.35 | fungus | levi, the blame doesn't belong to the hard drive, the hard drive just enables poor habits. |
| 21:00.20 | graphyx | That stupid 4 cylinder engine. It has caused more people to die in the streets than anything else. |
| 21:00.33 | graphyx | Those guns have made more people bleed to death than anything else since the T-rex.. |
| 21:00.36 | levi | fungus: OK, then, the hard drive is not to blame. So, how was the gist of the article at all correct then? |
| 21:01.46 | levi | fungus: Blaming the enablers of poor habits for the poor habits is a dangerous argument, and antithetical to personal freedoms. |
| 21:02.28 | fungus | It wasn't a scientific paper. It was a sensational thought provoking magazine article. |
| 21:02.34 | sjansen | ~attack fungus |
| 21:02.36 | ibot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing fungus |
| 21:02.48 | sjansen | fungus is out to destroy society! fungus is the source of all evil! |
| 21:02.57 | graphyx | I guess bad though provoking is still thought provoking... |
| 21:03.07 | fungus | bow before me, for *I* am Satan! |
| 21:03.09 | graphyx | fungus is the love of money? |
| 21:03.28 | levi | fungus: The only thoughts it provoked in me were 'This guy is an idiot, and PC Magazine should fire him and get someone who can provoke useful thoughts.' |
| 21:03.46 | amcnabb | If the thought doesn't enlighten you in any way, it wasn't worth the effort. |
| 21:03.47 | goozbach | and sleeping while standin |
| 21:04.01 | goozbach | g is something as well |
| 21:04.40 | fungus | levi, if you can't handle sensationalism, or ideas blown out of proportion, you might as well just not read any magazine, newspaper, etc. |
| 21:05.00 | levi | fungus: Well, if he'd blown a /good/ idea out of proportion, I would be less harsh. |
| 21:05.20 | graphyx | ~emulate gir |
| 21:05.21 | ibot | my walnuts! |
| 21:05.37 | goozbach | I didn't feel this tired 45 minutes ago |
| 21:06.47 | levi | fungus: And I've read plenty of magazines, newspapers, books, journal articles, etc. that have managed to provoke thoughts quite well without that sort of idiotic sensationalism. |
| 21:07.00 | fungus | Being critical of opinion articles is important, but attacking the writer and the publisher on a personal level is not OK. |
| 21:09.00 | amcnabb | I wouldn't always agree with that. |
| 21:09.02 | fungus | ~levi |
| 21:09.03 | ibot | somebody said levi was a male who lives in utah |
| 21:09.24 | graphyx | ~emulate sjansen |
| 21:09.25 | ibot | ACTION beats graphyx to a bloody pulp with some well crafted XML weapons |
| 21:09.25 | levi | fungus: If someone offers an opinion, and I feel that opinion is bad, I feel well within my rights to call him an idiot. |
| 21:09.25 | fungus | ibot, levi is also an attack dog |
| 21:09.27 | ibot | fungus: okay |
| 21:10.01 | amcnabb | Not just when the opinion's bad, but when it's idiotic. |
| 21:10.08 | levi | fungus: Especially if he has a track record for offering stupid opinions in a widely-read periodical. |
| 21:10.10 | fungus | Disagreeing with an opinion is healthy. Personal attacks are not. WWJD? |
| 21:10.37 | amcnabb | What would Jason do? I think he's call Dvorak an idiot. |
| 21:10.51 | maquis | haha |
| 21:11.24 | sjansen | So I should continue to listen to an obvious moron because he might some day say something useful? At a certain point you have to call it like it is and say "so and so never has anything useful to contribute". |
| 21:11.25 | Jayce^ | I prefer the terms 'moron', 'putz', or 'schmuck' |
| 21:11.28 | levi | fungus: I am calling him an idiot informally. If I were to write a formal, published response, I would not use the same words. |
| 21:11.37 | neybar_work | idiot works well |
| 21:12.11 | levi | fungus: Conversationally, calling someone an idiot is shorthand for 'I disagree strongly with his opinion, and I think he has not published a good or useful one in a long time!' |
| 21:13.10 | levi | fungus: I don't actually have anything against him as a person, just his ideas. And that should be clear from the context. |
| 21:13.17 | sjansen | It would probably be best if we didn't use so much hyperbole in English, but we do. |
| 21:13.37 | levi | We're all speaking informally here, and so context is all-important. |
| 21:14.08 | sjansen | And it is generally understood that when I say "PHP is evil", I don't mean "PHP kills kittens for pleasure" I mean "PHP is poorly designed resulting in mountains of bad code". |
| 21:15.26 | Jayce^ | goozbach and neybar_work probably know which ones I'm talking about |
| 21:18.02 | sjansen | Anyone know how to get google to search for \vss _with_ the backslash? I want TeX info, not Visual Studio info! |
| 21:18.47 | graphyx | did you try " "'s? |
| 21:20.26 | maquis | sjansen: i don't think it's possible |
| 21:20.47 | goozbach | hah! |
| 21:20.47 | maquis | i've tried for quite a while to get google to pay attention to non-alphanumeric characters |
| 21:20.51 | maquis | and it doesn't like them |
| 21:22.40 | levi | Yeah, I think google's indexer strips all non-alphanumeric characters before it does its thing. |
| 21:26.15 | levi | Rather, it considers them to be word separators. |
| 21:28.13 | goozbach | I really need ONE good idea.... |
| 21:28.39 | goozbach | then I can become an expert on everything. |
| 21:28.43 | levi | goozbach: Just make lots of money. |
| 21:28.59 | levi | goozbach: When you have lots of money, you become much more credible. |
| 21:29.38 | goozbach | something like a VCS... |
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| 21:30.29 | goozbach | yay my plane is boarding!!! |
| 21:30.52 | mheath | goozbach, have a good trip. |
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| 21:32.06 | maquis | goozbach: have fun |
| 21:32.07 | goozbach | it shouldnt be too bad. I'm not IN or going through Texas |
| 21:32.14 | xbmodder | hey! |
| 21:32.26 | xbmodder | goozbach: you going near texas? |
| 21:32.33 | goozbach | hey hey hey! |
| 21:34.01 | goozbach | hmmm? something keeps making holes in the same place in the seat of my pants... |
| 21:34.38 | Supaplex | sounds confidential |
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| 21:34.48 | goozbach | this is the third pair of pants which I've discovered it. |
| 21:35.03 | Supaplex | maybe you're wearing them incorrectly |
| 21:35.22 | goozbach | I could be... |
| 21:36.02 | goozbach | but they're pants... |
| 21:36.18 | sjansen | keys? |
| 21:36.29 | graphyx | wallet? |
| 21:36.31 | graphyx | BAckpack? |
| 21:36.33 | graphyx | Ipod? |
| 21:36.34 | sjansen | mechanical pencils? |
| 21:36.43 | graphyx | Girlfriend? |
| 21:36.49 | graphyx | nah.. couldn't be that. |
| 21:36.59 | goozbach | big hole up little holes down one leg per little hole? right? |
| 21:37.01 | sjansen | goozbach has a wallet made of duct tape, I doubt it'd create a hole in anything |
| 21:37.19 | graphyx | ~ducttape |
| 21:37.34 | xbmodder | lol |
| 21:37.46 | maquis | sjansen: but it could be useful in fixing the hole |
| 21:37.47 | goozbach | It's an aft pocket... I dont put anything in it. |
| 21:37.47 | xbmodder | did you buy one of those professionally made ones? |
| 21:38.05 | graphyx | ibot, ducttape is <reply> You only need two things to fix anything. Ducttape and WD-40. If it sticks and it shouldn't use WD40, if it doesn't and it should use Ducttape. |
| 21:38.06 | ibot | okay, graphyx |
| 21:38.10 | graphyx | ~ducttape |
| 21:38.12 | ibot | You only need two things to fix anything. Ducttape and WD-40. If it sticks and it shouldn't use WD40, if it doesn't and it should use Ducttape. |
| 21:38.19 | goozbach | xbmodder, no only hacks and wannabes buy those |
| 21:38.32 | xbmodder | good goozbach :) |
| 21:39.24 | goozbach | if you cant make your own. you dont deserve to have one |
| 21:39.39 | xbmodder | I made like two |
| 21:39.50 | xbmodder | depending on how many pockets you put in |
| 21:40.06 | xbmodder | how do you make a little clear thing for id card/liscense |
| 21:40.06 | xbmodder | ? |
| 21:42.05 | maquis | hehe |
| 21:42.09 | maquis | "sequel server" |
| 21:43.33 | TimRiker | what about visegrips and a sledgehammer? |
| 21:43.59 | Jayce^ | swiss army/leatherman knife |
| 21:44.02 | maquis | TimRiker: ?? |
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| 21:44.34 | goozbach | timriker i use vicegrips and a blowtorch |
| 21:44.43 | Jayce^ | maquis still has to learn the irc art of spontaneously restarting a thread that has scrolled off the screen |
| 21:45.18 | Jayce^ | goozbach, blowtorch is good, although the flame doesn't always need to be confined to some tool :) |
| 21:45.45 | maquis | errr |
| 21:45.48 | maquis | art |
| 21:46.09 | TimRiker | heh |
| 21:46.11 | goozbach | jayce: normal flame doesnt get hot enough |
| 21:46.29 | goozbach | unless you use thermite |
| 21:47.09 | Jayce^ | you didn't specify that |
| 21:47.09 | jsmith | <plug type=shameless pun_intended=no> For any of y'all who are still playing around with Asterisk, the O'Reilly book on Asterisk is now shipping! </plug> |
| 21:47.33 | Jayce^ | jsmith, announce it on plug too... see if we can get a few folks to buy it |
| 21:47.49 | Jayce^ | any if anybody here will review it on the sites.. |
| 21:47.55 | goozbach | plug it on ploug |
| 21:48.06 | goozbach | er plug it on plug |
| 21:48.12 | Supaplex | puny |
| 21:49.06 | jsmith | goozbach: Hence the reason I said "pun_intended=no" |
| 21:50.14 | maquis | http://gcfl.net/archive.php?funny=20050922 |
| 21:51.25 | graphyx | jsmith: LOL |
| 21:51.31 | graphyx | ~seen graphyx |
| 21:51.38 | ibot | graphyx is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 393 messages. Is idling for 7s |
| 21:51.49 | graphyx | ibot: Your laggy. |
| 21:52.16 | maquis | graphyx: what about his laggy? |
| 21:52.47 | maquis | by goo |
| 21:52.51 | maquis | er |
| 21:52.54 | maquis | bye |
| 22:03.33 | jakea | hrm |
| 22:12.45 | graphyx | ibot: You're laggy. |
| 22:12.53 | graphyx | ~seen maquis |
| 22:12.57 | ibot | maquis is currently on #utah (10d 3h 2m 8s). Has said a total of 1236 messages. Is idling for 20m 3s |
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| 22:21.56 | jsmith | You guys seen this? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170064,00.html |
| 22:22.19 | jsmith | A weatherman in Idaho thinks the Japanese mafia is using Russian hurricane generators to cause Katrina and Rita. |
| 22:22.41 | graphyx | Hey Jsmith, where does one find this pdf on asterisk? |
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| 22:22.56 | graphyx | published by a friend of ours.. |
| 22:23.24 | jsmith | graphyx: There's a sample chapter at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/asterisk/ |
| 22:24.11 | maquis | graphyx: you looking for me? |
| 22:24.30 | graphyx | no. |
| 22:24.37 | graphyx | Just telling ibot he is laggy with that command. |
| 22:24.53 | maquis | oh |
| 22:30.29 | mrpull- | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169653,00.html |
| 22:30.44 | mrpull- | yet another reason i need to consider using BSD instead of Linux |
| 22:31.09 | maquis | might as well follow it |
| 22:31.13 | maquis | oh... |
| 22:31.16 | maquis | wait... |
| 22:31.16 | maquis | it's different |
| 22:32.21 | maquis | that's kinda weird |
| 22:34.35 | mrpull- | the devil mascot is so much more appealing |
| 22:39.41 | graphyx | so the devil himself is a better mascot than an animal that does his bidding? |
| 22:46.47 | mrpull- | maquis: what is the link you've seen two other times? |
| 22:46.58 | graphyx | http://cs-people.bu.edu/aaron/turret/turret.htm |
| 22:47.22 | maquis | mrpull-: nm |
| 22:47.30 | maquis | it was a different foxnews link that looked very similar |
| 22:48.00 | graphyx | I think the problem is that most foxnews links look similar. |
| 22:48.10 | mrpull- | maquis: heh, i imagine they all look the same at first glance ;) |
| 22:48.10 | bonez39 | if I open xpdf and then a file with it..and tell it to print, it brings up 'lpr' to print..to the default printer...what determines the paper size which lpr uses? is that in /etc/printcap? |
| 22:49.34 | bonez39 | jsmith, is that note about the new ASTERISK book from you? |
| 22:49.47 | jsmith | Yup. |
| 22:49.56 | jsmith | It certainly is. |
| 22:50.00 | bonez39 | cool..just opening chapter 5.....looks intriguing |
| 22:51.22 | maquis | graphyx: cool link... |
| 22:56.09 | bonez39 | jsmith, printing it now... |
| 22:56.29 | bonez39 | just wishing I could change the default size to Letter from A4... |
| 22:56.33 | bonez39 | for my printer.... |
| 22:56.52 | jsmith | Why can't you? |
| 22:57.55 | bonez39 | I can print, but at the start of the print job...at least when it's from xpdf...the printer display halts..and says lc load A4..and hit continue and it prints...I want it to NOT, to STOP thinking the job is an A4 sized job.... |
| 22:58.39 | jsmith | bonez39: Why not use a *real* PDF viewer, like evince? |
| 22:59.20 | bonez39 | jsmith, well, cause I had never heard of evince until now...does it come in .deb flavor? can i apt-get install evince? |
| 23:00.35 | bonez39 | looks like apt-get will install it |
| 23:01.02 | sjansen | depending on which version you grab, evince is... tempermental at the moment |
| 23:01.14 | bonez39 | sjansen, NOW you tell me..... |
| 23:01.44 | sjansen | bonez39: give it a try anyway, might work fine for you |
| 23:02.17 | RyanE | depending on what you want, sjansen is also tempermental. |
| 23:02.29 | sjansen | ~attack RyanE |
| 23:02.31 | ibot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing RyanE |
| 23:16.50 | levi | sjansen: If you want to be able to use scheme more, you might look at scsh, chicken, and gauche |
| 23:19.17 | levi | sjansen: Or sisc, if integrating with Java makes you happy. |
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| 23:20.42 | xbmodder_lappy | hey all |
| 23:23.46 | sjansen | levi: Distribution packaged version for Ubuntu, Fedora, and SUSE are more important to me. |
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| 23:24.22 | levi | sjansen: Why, are you reinstalling your system that often? |
| 23:27.16 | xbmodder_lappy | gentoo is the easiest to recover |
| 23:32.58 | levi | sjansen: Fedora appears to have plt-scheme |
| 23:37.17 | levi | sjansen: Ubuntu has chicken in hoary, and several others in universe. |
| 23:46.53 | levi | sjansen: Looks like SUSE only has guile |
| 23:55.48 | sjansen | Less than a point! Less than one stinking point! |
| 23:56.50 | levi | sjansen: BTW, if you use chicken, your code compiles to a binary, so you don't have to depend on other packages, if that was your reason for wanting distro-packaged versions. |
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| 23:57.33 | sjansen | levi: Dependency was half of the problem. Now for the other half: convincing my employer they can easily find more scheme programmers. |
| 23:58.51 | levi | sjansen: What, is all the programming you do work-related? |
| 23:59.05 | sjansen | Right now, yes. |
