| 00:00.27 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 00:00.29 | xbmodder_lappy | that was cool |
| 00:00.33 | xbmodder_lappy | jsmith, come over |
| 00:00.40 | xbmodder_lappy | jsmith, if your under 30 |
| 00:00.43 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
| 00:00.48 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
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| 00:17.43 | jsmith | xbmodder_lappy: I would, but I'm in the middle of network upgrades |
| 00:17.54 | xbmodder_lappy | Ah fun stuff |
| 00:18.02 | xbmodder_lappy | for whom may I ask? |
| 00:35.12 | hans | man, this is a hard search. so much irrelevancy |
| 00:35.27 | hans | what would you search for if you wanted to know about design patterns or best practice in implementing tags |
| 00:35.27 | jsmith | What search? |
| 00:35.47 | jsmith | What type of tags? |
| 00:35.58 | hans | delicious type. specifically, should I store tags in a separate table |
| 00:36.10 | hans | or what |
| 00:36.55 | hans | i get all kinds of pages about html tags, things about everything else in the query but tags on sites that use tags, etc. |
| 00:43.06 | xbmodder_lappy | aww :( |
| 00:54.10 | xbmodder_lappy | dude this is frickin' awesome |
| 00:54.42 | hans | is this the first time you've watched it? |
| 00:54.52 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 00:54.56 | hans | that is what's sad. |
| 00:55.02 | hans | i feel for you |
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| 00:55.54 | xbmodder_lappy | hans, thank you |
| 00:56.35 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, hey. Do you have a parrallel graphlink cable? Could I buy one off you. Do you know how to make it and sodder it |
| 00:57.49 | hans | solder? |
| 00:58.17 | xbmodder_lappy | I thought it was sodder for action |
| 01:26.15 | xbmodder_lappy | I want to hurt my health teacher |
| 01:26.37 | emcnabb | I don't have one |
| 01:26.48 | emcnabb | I have a USB cable |
| 01:27.03 | Supaplex | ouuu ahhh wow |
| 01:27.13 | emcnabb | (USB->Graphlink) |
| 01:28.35 | xbmodder_lappy | I was wondering if you could do me a HUGE favor |
| 01:28.57 | xbmodder_lappy | give me a ROM backup of your calculator |
| 01:29.14 | xbmodder_lappy | I am writing ASM proggys |
| 01:29.44 | emcnabb | what calculator do you have? |
| 01:30.36 | Supaplex | bc(1) |
| 01:33.18 | xbmodder_lappy | that was beautiful |
| 01:35.00 | xbmodder_lappy | Is it ok if I put up the opening scene of HHGG (by ok I mean legal)? |
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| 01:51.41 | maquis | hmm |
| 01:52.01 | xbmodder_lappy | we gotta hmm |
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| 02:00.51 | maquis | has anyone ever had their computer report that a usb device was just plugged in, when there isn't a usb device around? |
| 02:01.55 | maquis | in fact... there hasnt been a usb device plugged in since before osiris got rebooted... |
| 02:03.53 | xbmodder_lappy | http://xbmodder.us/DI/movie.avi |
| 02:04.41 | SpecialK | ~lart maquis |
| 02:05.12 | xbmodder_lappy | ouch |
| 02:05.53 | maquis | hmmm |
| 02:06.04 | maquis | that's so odd |
| 02:06.13 | maquis | lsusb shows something... |
| 02:06.15 | maquis | but... |
| 02:12.39 | Supaplex | but ... |
| 02:12.59 | maquis | but nothing's plugged in |
| 02:40.16 | goozbach | maquis: it may be detecting your usb controller |
| 02:40.26 | goozbach | maquis: is this your laptop? |
| 02:40.43 | maquis | goozbach: yup |
| 02:40.55 | goozbach | you have bluetooth? |
| 02:41.07 | goozbach | if so, that's it |
| 02:41.22 | maquis | i should have bluetooth |
| 02:41.36 | maquis | goozbach: i /msg'd you what it's giving me |
| 02:46.08 | goozbach | mystery solved... it was the fingerprint scanner |
| 02:48.57 | emcnabb | goozbach, how much are the cheap Braves tickets? |
| 02:49.11 | goozbach | emcnabb: $2-3 at the gate |
| 02:49.15 | emcnabb | wow |
| 02:49.37 | goozbach | nosebleed section of the part of the stadium behind the plate |
| 02:50.55 | emcnabb | I'm probably going to go on Wednesday or Thursday |
| 03:13.14 | maquis | 2-3$ aint bad |
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| 03:53.52 | levi | Good evening. |
| 03:55.06 | xbmodder_lappy | yo |
| 03:55.17 | maquis | morning |
| 04:00.05 | levi | maquis: Is not! |
| 04:00.17 | maquis | levi: true... |
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| 04:04.00 | levi | maquis: Wassup? |
| 04:05.29 | maquis | levi: must focus |
| 04:05.35 | maquis | failing miserably, though |
| 04:05.39 | levi | On...? |
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| 04:12.52 | maquis | a cs project that was due last night |
| 04:13.10 | levi | Uh oh. Another encryption thing? |
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| 04:13.32 | maquis | it's an extension of the original AES encryption |
| 04:27.17 | levi | Try opening a window and sitting the laptop by it for a while? |
| 04:28.14 | goozbach | maquis: put something hard under it. |
| 04:28.21 | goozbach | a table, book, box... |
| 04:28.40 | maquis | it's 59 degrees... |
| 04:28.42 | maquis | i'll try those things |
| 04:33.48 | maquis | looks like it's starting to work |
| 04:34.15 | maquis | granted, 100$ for a laptop-rest seems a bit excessive |
| 04:34.42 | goozbach | maquis: $5 in plexi from Home Depot |
| 04:34.52 | maquis | :) |
| 04:35.14 | levi | My iBook is quite happy actually sitting on my lap. :) |
| 04:35.24 | maquis | i don't remember where, but someplace i saw a laptop-rest with fans |
| 04:35.28 | maquis | it looked rather cool |
| 04:35.50 | maquis | levi: mine usually works that way too... but today is feeling a bit warm |
| 04:35.59 | maquis | probably because my roommates don't like having the AC on |
| 04:36.17 | levi | This is wild: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050916/od_nm/australia_electricity_dc;_ylt=AlhBD1O5jHL2l2mx5rZtTO6s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ- |
| 04:37.36 | maquis | yipes!!!! |
| 04:37.56 | maquis | that'd be insanely scary |
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| 04:38.17 | maquis | although... it'd be kinda cool if you could harness that power better :) |
| 04:39.10 | findlay | maquis: doth mine eyes deceive me? Is the UUG actually abandoning the in house developed MUG for a 3rd party product? |
| 04:39.20 | maquis | findlay: it's true |
| 04:39.27 | maquis | jake is actually one of the ones behind it |
| 04:39.47 | goozbach | that doesn't seem plausible |
| 04:40.05 | goozbach | the second he grounded himself that charge should dissapate |
| 04:40.05 | maquis | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050916/od_nm/japan_hitman_dc;_ylt=Ag38M3D_hFCl9YcJhaQ238Os0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3NW1oMDRpBHNlYwM3NTc- <-- some people are *really* stupid |
| 04:40.42 | findlay | maquis: check out uvlug's site http://uvlug.org, it's pretty clean and polished |
| 04:40.58 | findlay | of course gabe supplied us with some sweet graphics |
| 04:42.07 | findlay | goozbach: maybe there were no grounds for those charges |
| 04:42.09 | findlay | haha |
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| 04:43.45 | levi | goozbach: I agree the given explanation is pretty implausible. It's still yow-worthy, though. |
| 04:47.51 | maquis | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050915/od_nm/japan_robot_dc;_ylt=AhEeQIvk.qMtXZa2q4a4M8ISH9EA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl |
| 04:47.56 | maquis | ^^^ i want one! :) |
| 04:48.41 | findlay | maquis: those URLs take a really long time to retype by hand in the browser address bar |
| 04:48.54 | maquis | findlay: copy and paste |
| 04:49.54 | emcnabb | um... ok |
| 04:50.03 | maquis | haha |
| 04:50.43 | levi | findlay hasn't quite meshed properly with the modern world yet. After all, he only listens to classical music! |
| 04:50.53 | maquis | true |
| 04:51.35 | levi | Speaking of which, I heard the 4th movement of Dvorak's 9th symphony on the radio today. I love that one. |
| 04:52.43 | maquis | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050914/od_nm/pope_exorcists_dc;_ylt=AoJiuDArAWT_.mWi43on0XUSH9EA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl |
| 04:53.06 | findlay | levi: that's got to be one of the most powerful symphonies ever written |
| 04:53.21 | levi | findlay: I agree. I love the whole thing. |
| 04:54.59 | levi | That reminds me. I'm going to go find my CD of it and stick it on my laptop. |
| 04:55.34 | findlay | Two? Just two? I thought I had more than that |
| 04:55.47 | levi | I have some mp3s of a different recording. |
| 04:56.10 | levi | I posess them in VIOLATION OF COPYRIGHT. |
| 04:56.21 | findlay | aha! |
| 04:56.33 | levi | But I do own the one CD. |
| 04:56.42 | findlay | alert the copyright gestapo! |
| 04:57.03 | maquis | isn't it public domain? |
| 04:57.14 | findlay | maquis: not the recording |
| 04:57.25 | findlay | the music itself has long been in the public domain |
| 04:57.34 | maquis | well... hasn't anybody made an open recording? |
| 04:58.00 | emcnabb | maquis, you should be the first one to do it |
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| 04:58.10 | findlay | maquis: sorry, I don't think that kind of thing has ever caught on yet |
| 04:58.38 | maquis | emcnabb: i would if i could.... but.... |
| 04:58.50 | maquis | i just wanted to hear it.... |
| 04:59.27 | findlay | that reminds me, there's a recording by the Academy of the Great Mass in C and Ave Verum |
| 04:59.28 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, do you have a ROM image? |
| 04:59.45 | levi | findlay: There appears to be a lot of classical music on the Magnatune label. |
| 04:59.56 | findlay | some pundits believe Ave Verum to be the only "perfect" composition wver written |
| 04:59.56 | emcnabb | xbmodder_lappy, no |
| 05:00.25 | levi | I have a hard time not equating 'pundit' with 'idiot'. |
| 05:00.38 | levi | Or rather, 'idiot with a big mouth' |
| 05:00.40 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, may I ask why not? |
| 05:00.43 | maquis | levi: they're not equal? |
| 05:00.52 | levi | maquis: I'm not sure. |
| 05:00.53 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: what do you want? |
| 05:01.10 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, ROM image for calculator so I don't have to buy a cable |
| 05:01.29 | findlay | levi: this recording of it is so flawless and perfect it makes me cry every time |
| 05:01.35 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: huh? |
| 05:01.51 | emcnabb | xbmodder_lappy, I don't want to spend the time getting the image |
| 05:01.58 | maquis | findlay: be quiet... i've never heard it, and you're making me jealous |
| 05:01.59 | xbmodder_lappy | ok |
| 05:01.59 | emcnabb | I got my cable for $5 |
| 05:02.20 | xbmodder_lappy | where? |
| 05:02.33 | emcnabb | don't remember |
| 05:02.41 | emcnabb | some local store in the clearance section |
| 05:02.55 | findlay | nobody can play Mozart like the Academy of St. Martin in the Fields |
| 05:03.38 | maquis | ~lart findlay |
| 05:05.09 | findlay | ~lart maquis and her dog for being so lart happy |
| 05:14.00 | levi | Gah, I can't find my Dvorak CD. |
| 05:14.44 | levi | I saw one at the UVSC library, ripe for ripping. :) |
| 05:18.47 | findlay | levi: http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=1710911 |
| 05:19.28 | maquis | findlay: can i borrow it? |
| 05:19.37 | findlay | maquis: sure |
| 05:19.41 | maquis | :) |
| 05:24.48 | levi | Yow, iTMS sells The Complete Published Orchestral Works of Dvorak for $169.83 |
| 05:25.12 | findlay | in digital form? |
| 05:25.19 | levi | Yes. |
| 05:25.29 | findlay | that's a rip off (: |
| 05:25.37 | findlay | it's public domain |
| 05:26.35 | levi | Not the recordings. |
| 05:26.45 | maquis | still |
| 05:27.11 | levi | Yeah, it's still a lot. |
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| 05:52.31 | levi | Oooh, Autechre. |
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| 05:56.40 | xbmodder_lappy | dvorak is a computer guy? |
| 05:57.03 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: You need more culture, kid. |
| 05:57.05 | maquis | dvorak is a composer |
| 05:57.09 | maquis | s/is/was |
| 05:57.29 | maquis | http://w3.rz-berlin.mpg.de/cmp/dvorak.html |
| 05:58.27 | Newsome | he wasn't a keyboard? |
| 05:59.20 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 05:59.27 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, I am a 14 year old geek :) |
| 05:59.34 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: that's no excuse |
| 06:00.22 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: A stupid one, if you can't infer from context that the mentioned Dvorak composed symphonies and not stupid computer magazine filler. |
| 06:02.14 | goozbach | alright, so he didn't know that dvorak was a composer. |
| 06:02.23 | goozbach | lets not get hasty |
| 06:03.42 | Newsome | Yeah, but are you also aware of the composer named QWERTY? |
| 06:04.55 | levi | goozbach: Yes, but do you think a computer pundit is likely to produce 9 symphonies? |
| 06:08.18 | levi | Heh, I love Tom Waits! http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050915/people_tom_waits_lawsuit.html?.v=2 |
| 06:15.01 | goozbach | levi: in my experience. the set of computer geeks and the set of music geeks intercects quite a bit more than perceived |
| 06:17.29 | levi | goozbach: You don't really believe John Dvorak capable of writing a single symphony, do you, let alone 9? You're just making a weak attempt to justify your criticism of my criticism of xbmodder. |
| 06:18.40 | goozbach | I'm just saying there isn't a need for criticism |
| 06:19.17 | goozbach | a simple "nope, not that dvorak" would have sufficed. |
| 06:21.48 | levi | It would have sufficed to answer his question, but not to properly express my annoyance at it. |
| 06:22.26 | goozbach | had it been me to ask the question, would you have be as annoyed? |
| 06:22.50 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: To rephrase--I don't really think you're stupid, but it would be nice if you'd thought about it a little more. |
| 06:23.06 | levi | goozbach: Probably not. |
| 06:23.14 | goozbach | point! |
| 06:23.23 | levi | goozbach: Point? |
| 06:23.43 | levi | goozbach: I fail to see the relevance. |
| 06:23.44 | goozbach | THIS IS JUST AND OBSERVATI |
| 06:23.49 | goozbach | n |
| 06:23.52 | goozbach | : |
| 06:23.56 | goozbach | (stupid keyboard |
| 06:23.58 | goozbach | ) |
| 06:24.10 | goozbach | let's try that again... |
| 06:24.20 | goozbach | <generic observation> |
| 06:25.31 | goozbach | people are quick to judge statements/questions/ideas put forth by someone who isn't in the 'socially acceptable' circle (eg the young buck computer geek) |
| 06:25.44 | goozbach | </generic observation> |
| 06:26.40 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, yeah |
| 06:26.43 | levi | I think that's true. |
| 06:26.47 | xbmodder_lappy | I noticed that this morning |
| 06:27.12 | goozbach | levi: my point is: had I been the one to ask the question. you wouldn't have had any problem just saying "no, not THAT dvorak" |
| 06:27.13 | levi | It also doesn't apply to my reaction that's in question. |
| 06:27.29 | levi | goozbach: I believe you wouldn't have asked the question, though. |
| 06:27.45 | goozbach | levi: I was just beat to the question by xbmodder |
| 06:27.49 | xbmodder_lappy | and I also noticed that teachers don't like geeks as much :( (I mean socially++ teachers) |
| 06:27.51 | goozbach | I just about asked |
| 06:29.49 | goozbach | I was going to say something along the lines of "Oh so Dvorak's a composer now as well?" (referencing John C. of course) |
| 06:30.44 | levi | Well, at that point I probably would have said you needed more culture. |
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| 06:30.56 | levi | (as I did to xbmodder) |
| 06:32.40 | goozbach | in that case, if you would have responded the same, I would have no problem with it |
| 06:35.03 | goozbach | and I would have a problem with another point: that point being lack of knowlege on a specific topic != lack of culture |
| 06:37.03 | goozbach | and personally, *I* didn't have all that much culture at 14, heck you'd be hard pressed to find any 14 year old geek with gobs of culture |
| 06:37.18 | goozbach | no offence to any of the present company |
| 06:37.30 | goozbach | (just another generic observation) |
| 06:38.13 | levi | It's not so much lack of knowledge of Dvorak in particular. It seemed to me that assuming a Dvorak who wrote symphonies was the same Dvorak who wrote magazine columns was indicative of a worldview /way/ too computer-focused. My statement was analogous to 'You need to get out more!' |
| 06:38.33 | goozbach | Blame the media |
| 06:38.37 | goozbach | eg IRC |
| 06:38.46 | goozbach | where that sublitly was lost on me |
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| 06:40.15 | levi | OK, so it's IRCs fault. Are we cool now? :) |
| 06:41.09 | emcnabb | dang you IRC... you've wasted my life away... :-) |
| 06:41.27 | goozbach | we were never NOT cool. I guess I just get a little 'big-brother'-ish. my apoligies |
| 06:41.51 | emcnabb | ~grouphug |
| 06:41.54 | ibot | ACTION hugs everybody and makes it ALL better. Now STFU, bitches! |
| 06:42.01 | goozbach | HAH! |
| 06:42.05 | emcnabb | wow, that was a guess |
| 06:42.09 | levi | Heh. |
| 06:42.13 | maquis | ~language ibot |
| 06:42.14 | ibot | ACTION grabs ibot by the ear and washes ibot's mouth out with soap |
| 06:51.28 | goozbach | WOOT!!! braves tickets |
| 06:51.47 | xbmodder_lappy | sweet |
| 06:51.48 | goozbach | monday, and tuesday and wednsday |
| 06:52.13 | goozbach | section 107 row 9 seat 12 |
| 06:52.19 | goozbach | 9 rows from the field |
| 07:04.39 | goozbach | sjansen: got your ears on? |
| 07:05.02 | goozbach | if so, where's that churrisacria(sp?) in pittsburg? |
| 07:05.15 | goozbach | churrascaria |
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| 07:08.04 | findlay | bzflagtime |
| 07:11.04 | goozbach | findlay: if I wasn't headed to bed, I'd join you |
| 07:11.16 | goozbach | jetlag-- |
| 07:11.23 | goozbach | ~karma jetlag |
| 07:11.23 | ibot | jetlag has neutral karma |
| 07:11.31 | goozbach | jetlag-- |
| 07:11.34 | goozbach | ~karma jetlag |
| 07:11.34 | ibot | jetlag has neutral karma |
| 07:11.38 | goozbach | bah |
| 07:15.23 | levi | Sleep time. |
| 07:15.56 | maquis | ~lart goozbach |
| 07:48.41 | xbmodder_lappy | ~jetlan |
| 07:48.44 | xbmodder_lappy | ~jetlag |
| 07:48.46 | xbmodder_lappy | ~help karma |
| 07:49.20 | xbmodder_lappy | X-- |
| 07:49.25 | xbmodder_lappy | karma for X |
| 07:49.33 | xbmodder_lappy | ~karma X |
| 07:49.33 | ibot | x has karma of 2 |
| 07:49.37 | xbmodder_lappy | Y |
| 07:49.39 | xbmodder_lappy | ~karma Y |
| 07:49.39 | ibot | y has neutral karma |
| 07:49.42 | xbmodder_lappy | Y-- |
| 07:49.50 | xbmodder_lappy | ~karma Y |
| 07:49.50 | ibot | y has neutral karma |
| 07:52.05 | xbmodder_lappy | ~karma goozbach |
| 07:52.05 | ibot | goozbach has karma of 2 |
| 07:52.11 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach++ |
| 07:59.51 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach++ |
| 07:59.54 | xbmodder_lappy | ~karma goozbach |
| 07:59.54 | ibot | goozbach has karma of 2 |
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| 14:11.49 | hans | this is hilarious. http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html |
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| 14:42.03 | bonez41 | hans, just reading at that dhmo link...... |
| 14:42.18 | bonez41 | did I miss the funny part? it's interesting....of course...just looking for the punch line |
| 14:43.21 | bonez41 | hans, it's sort of a joke..right? |
| 14:43.42 | bonez41 | damn...it just hit me.......now i get it....h2o |
| 14:43.47 | bonez41 | I am slow this morning... |
| 14:45.04 | bonez41 | too many years between me and my chem classes..... |
| 15:04.45 | hans | :) |
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| 15:17.22 | harleypig | #agora |
| 15:17.34 | harleypig | oops |
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| 16:30.09 | maquis | ok.. question (stemming from the package management thread on plug): |
| 16:30.21 | maquis | how hard would it be to get portage running on other linux systems? |
| 16:30.37 | maquis | it seems to me (and this could be *completely* wrong), thta it wouldn't really take all that much |
| 16:31.56 | maquis | because all the distros are capable of installing from source, and as far as i know, that's all that portage does |
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| 16:57.35 | hans | maquis: so something like darwin ports for linux? |
| 16:57.57 | hans | the most important aspect is that if you put stuff in the standard places, you're going to end up with a broken system |
| 16:58.18 | hans | so you'd want to take the darwinports approach and put them in a specific place, and add those places to your path |
| 16:58.23 | maquis | hans: yeah... something like portage for redhat and such |
| 16:58.24 | hans | e.g. darwinports uses /sw iirc |
| 16:58.30 | hans | or that might be fink |
| 16:58.42 | hans | anyway, things wouldn't go in /usr like the distro packages |
| 16:58.50 | hans | because if you did that, you're just asking for trouble |
| 16:59.08 | maquis | hans: why? |
| 16:59.12 | hans | you could do /usr/local but that kind of destroys the nice bit about /usr/local being the place for hand-tuned packages |
| 16:59.28 | hans | the same reason you can't mix debian sources on an ubuntu box without trouble |
| 16:59.45 | maquis | hans: yeah... but i don't fully understand the reason for that either |
| 17:00.22 | hans | library versioning, mostly. also expecting a package to be compiled with a certain set of options |
| 17:00.48 | hans | what woul dbe really neat is a ports-like system that recognizes installed packages in the native package manager as dependencies |
| 17:01.05 | hans | esp for OS X fink/darwin/native |
| 17:01.06 | maquis | hans: yeah... that's what i was thinking |
| 17:01.15 | maquis | if there was a way to have a hybrid package-manager... |
| 17:01.39 | maquis | that could handle both rpm/deb and also could go and compile from source... |
| 17:01.43 | hans | make it work well and it could start taking over the world |
| 17:01.49 | hans | one package manager to rule them all |
| 17:02.35 | maquis | and for each package, you could explicitly tell it which system to use, or you could have it default to rpm/deb unless you told it a version, or the package didn't exist, or something |
| 17:02.44 | hans | i've always been interested in thinking about a p2p package system. one where packages are simple to create a la gentoo/ports, but binaries are available on a p2p basis |
| 17:02.51 | hans | so nobody needs to run a repository |
| 17:02.56 | hans | but you can still have binaries |
| 17:02.59 | sjansen | not going to happen, meta-data is the problem |
| 17:03.05 | maquis | sjansen: why? |
| 17:03.43 | sjansen | .deb and .rpm contain alot of useful information that can't be automatically translated into other formats |
| 17:03.59 | hans | package management is one of those things that seems like it ought to be easy and turns out to be really hard to get right |
| 17:04.19 | sjansen | of course it'd be killer, but it ain't going to happen |
| 17:04.30 | maquis | sjansen: i don't fully understand how that's a show-stopper |
| 17:05.30 | sjansen | learn how to create a .rpm, then lern how to create a .deb, then create a tool to use either interchangeabley, you'll understand intimately |
| 17:06.36 | xbmodder_lappy | sjansen, why don't you use {-} |
| 17:07.35 | sjansen | simple example: let's imagine packaging a java app, you depend on java of some sort, so on debian you specify dependency on jre > 1.5, while you create an rpm that depends on java > 5 |
| 17:07.57 | sjansen | it's the same thing, but you have to maintain a translation matrix |
| 17:08.23 | maquis | uh huh... |
| 17:08.47 | sjansen | then you have to handle binary differences, one distro ships one version of glibc, another distro ships different |
| 17:09.24 | maquis | sjansen: what if it doesn't handle both debs and rpms |
| 17:09.33 | maquis | just handles 1 of them, and then a portage-like system? |
| 17:09.53 | maquis | that seems like it would handle some of these problems |
| 17:09.58 | sjansen | some distros are more carefuly about license than others, so for example, debian disable certain algorithmn that are less free orcan't be legally shipped |
| 17:10.12 | sjansen | they might have the same version of a library, but it might not be binary compatible |
| 17:10.55 | sjansen | frankly, portabe isn't as flexbile as rpm and dpkg |
| 17:12.00 | sjansen | xbmodder_lappy: because |
| 17:14.50 | sjansen | another part of the problem is that vendor's don't like to support platforms with too much diversity |
| 17:15.17 | sjansen | it makes it harder for them to certify a platform |
| 17:22.12 | sjansen | of course, innovators ignore what's impossible |
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| 17:37.46 | jlkp | ack |
| 17:38.56 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
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| 17:51.47 | levi | Yo. |
| 17:51.53 | xbmodder_lappy | sup? |
| 17:52.05 | levi | Homework. :( |
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| 17:58.36 | bonez41 | with apache...wouldn't one likely just want...apache 2, or apache 1.3 installed? not both? |
| 17:59.04 | maquis | levi: homework sucks |
| 17:59.10 | sjansen | depends on how comples your needs are |
| 17:59.36 | levi | Yup, homework sucks. |
| 17:59.51 | sjansen | some software was really slow migrating to apache2 |
| 18:02.11 | levi | I think my research paper topic will be, "Deficiencies in the C programmming language for general software engineering" or something to that effect. |
| 18:02.46 | sjansen | heretic |
| 18:02.54 | levi | And proud of it. :) |
| 18:03.36 | bonez41 | sjansen, I guess I am wondering if having both would create or may create conflicts, .... |
| 18:03.58 | levi | bonez41: Not unless you try to run both of them on the same port. |
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| 18:04.35 | sjansen | ~burn levi |
| 18:04.36 | ibot | ibot pours gasoline all over levi, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 18:04.50 | sjansen | take that heretic! |
| 18:05.01 | bonez41 | sjansen, I have .info file trouble....I get this error: Error: libdav.so does not have a corresponding .info file. |
| 18:05.22 | bonez41 | hmmm marshmallows with hydrocarbon taste.... |
| 18:09.04 | sjansen | I've seen that, but it's been years. Sounds like an incorrectly installed module. |
| 18:25.42 | levi | ~burn sjansen |
| 18:25.45 | ibot | ibot pours gasoline all over sjansen, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 18:31.09 | sjansen | ~lart stuipd movie trailer sites |
| 18:32.07 | sjansen | http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/harry_potter_and_the_goblet_of_fire/daniel_radcliffe/goblet10.jpg |
| 18:32.15 | sjansen | Harry Potter is a jedi? |
| 18:37.18 | spr | hm, is Lucas directing the new movie? |
| 18:58.58 | mheath | Bah, read the book. |
| 19:00.28 | sjansen | Bah, look at the link. |
| 19:01.03 | mheath | sjansen, thats just a bad shot |
| 19:01.14 | sjansen | You just have a bad sense of humor. |
| 19:01.21 | sjansen | :-P |
| 19:05.53 | hans | his light sabre is bent |
| 19:06.43 | sjansen | Okay, so he's a Ghost Buster instead. |
| 19:06.58 | sjansen | ~trap hans |
| 19:15.08 | levi | Hope he doesn't cross his beam! |
| 19:46.24 | vontrapp | how do you configure gdm to log in a user automatically? |
| 19:46.53 | vontrapp | preferably by config file, because i don't have controls (mouse/keyboard) in the target computer |
| 19:46.58 | hans | point n' click |
| 19:47.06 | vontrapp | ahem |
| 19:47.32 | hans | find the config file; vim configfile |
| 19:47.36 | hans | step 1 is the hard part |
| 19:48.39 | vontrapp | ah, i did find it, and it wasn't so hard |
| 19:49.02 | sjansen | /etc/gdm/gdm.conf:AutomaticLogin=user |
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| 20:13.47 | Supaplex | JoshH: y0 |
| 20:13.58 | JoshH | hey man |
| 20:14.30 | findlay | JoshH: hi |
| 20:14.45 | JoshH | hello findlay |
| 20:16.06 | levi | I'm listening now to a band called 'Kettel'. |
| 20:16.13 | levi | It's electronic music. |
| 20:39.53 | maquis | wow.. this guy has very little idea what he's talking about... |
| 20:40.03 | findlay | ~lart maquis |
| 20:40.10 | levi | maquis: What guy? |
| 20:40.45 | linuxalien | Me! |
| 20:40.59 | maquis | levi: some guy on security-basics@securityfocus.com |
| 20:41.30 | maquis | he's talking about how pgp encryption would give him no added security over using ssl with pop... |
| 20:41.56 | levi | Hmm. Apparently I'm listening to Bjork now. She's not singing, though, so I couldn't tell. |
| 20:43.01 | maquis | he's also determined that if you send pgp mail, then the recipient gets a link in their inbox, which they then follow, and it takes them to a website with the message |
| 20:43.21 | levi | maquis: Well, with the current adoption rate of pgp encrypted email, he's probably right. It certainly has the potential to be more secure, though. |
| 20:43.28 | mheath | ooh, I got a package in the mail! |
| 20:43.38 | findlay | mheath: don't open it! |
| 20:43.49 | findlay | it's probably got worms or spies in it! |
| 20:44.24 | mheath | findlay, bah, I think if someone was going to send me a bomb (or..er...worms or spies) they'd use a different return adress than NEXCOM/SEDC :D |
| 20:45.06 | findlay | it probably won't work on an ELF runtime anyway |
| 20:45.39 | maquis | levi: on which part? |
| 20:45.43 | mheath | Ah, you were thinking e-mail and attatchment..... |
| 20:45.46 | mheath | Stop being so geeky :P |
| 20:46.09 | levi | maquis: Probably right about not getting much security benefit from it. |
| 20:46.13 | findlay | you mean there's mail that isn't ... E-mail? |
| 20:46.42 | mheath | ooh my new hat |
| 20:46.42 | levi | maquis: The link thing is way off, though. |
| 20:46.43 | mheath | finally |
| 20:55.45 | maquis | levi: yeah |
| 20:58.01 | mheath | Almost dress blues season |
| 20:58.04 | mheath | blues > whites :) |
| 20:59.36 | goozbach | blarg! |
| 20:59.54 | maquis | ~blarg goozbach |
| 20:59.59 | mheath | The trousers have too many buttons on blues, though :( |
| 21:02.13 | maquis | mheath: is that decided by season? |
| 21:02.19 | mheath | maquis, yeah |
| 21:02.30 | mheath | Whites are thin and polyester, worn during the summer |
| 21:02.47 | mheath | blues are thick and wool, worn when it gets colder. |
| 21:03.15 | maquis | cool! |
| 21:04.34 | mheath | http://danny.datamachine.net/images/me_dress_whites01.jpg vs http://photos1.blogger.com/img/107/2182/640/Hello%20sailor.jpg |
| 21:06.10 | maquis | mheath: yeah... i'd seen them both before, just didn't ever realize that it was a seasonal thing |
| 21:06.11 | mheath | maquis, the crotch area of the pants has 14 buttons :P |
| 21:06.19 | mheath | (on the blues) |
| 21:06.29 | maquis | that sucks |
| 21:07.37 | vontrapp | ~lart OCT! |
| 21:11.36 | vontrapp | ibot, probabl not the most helpful action, since i'm larting oct for being boggded down |
| 21:15.47 | maquis | :) |
| 21:15.50 | maquis | try it again |
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| 21:17.57 | vontrapp | ~lart OCT |
| 21:23.46 | goozbach | ~paint maquis |
| 21:23.50 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on maquis |
| 21:43.38 | sjansen | ~punish goozbach |
| 21:43.41 | ibot | ACTION forces goozbach to install and use Windows |
| 21:44.11 | sjansen | Perfect. Have a nice weekend applying updates, goozbach . |
| 21:50.24 | maquis | sjansen: howdy :) |
| 21:53.27 | sjansen | ~greet maquis |
| 21:53.28 | ibot | ACTION says Greetings to maquis with a big wet sloppy kiss |
| 21:54.05 | maquis | ew! |
| 21:54.11 | maquis | ibot: that's nasty |
| 21:54.18 | levi | Heh, sloppy bot kisses. |
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| 21:58.57 | findlay | ibot: OCT's network is made of cornflakes |
| 21:59.00 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 22:04.26 | Supaplex | well, that and road kill |
| 22:06.28 | maquis | levi: if ibot was a "he", it wouldn't be quite as bad |
| 22:07.04 | levi | maquis: ibot's gender seems to vary, so it might have been. |
| 22:07.34 | findlay | ~OCT's network |
| 22:07.35 | ibot | methinks oct's network is made of cornflakes |
| 22:07.36 | levi | I think of ibot like a dog or something, in which case it wouldn't really matter. |
| 22:07.44 | maquis | levi: still |
| 22:08.15 | findlay | what maquis is really trying to say is that she would prefer a big wet sloppy kiss from findlay |
| 22:08.43 | maquis | ~lart findlay |
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| 22:48.03 | sjansen | o/~ Someone's in the kitchen with Dinah. Someone's in the Kitchen I know. ~/o |
| 23:11.55 | goozbach | ~punish sjansen |
| 23:11.59 | ibot | ACTION forces sjansen to install and use Windows |
| 23:12.05 | goozbach | hah! |
| 23:12.17 | goozbach | now both of us are installing updates all weekend |
| 23:12.18 | maquis | weirdness |
| 23:13.27 | maquis | question |
| 23:13.47 | maquis | i have a file that is called cbcPlain.bin |
| 23:14.04 | maquis | if you cat it, it prints a little more than half the file, then just stops |
| 23:15.06 | maquis | if i open it up in a hexeditor, it shows the whole file just fin |
| 23:15.07 | maquis | e |
| 23:15.17 | maquis | same with opening it up in vim |
| 23:15.38 | maquis | actually it shows all but the last line or so with cat |
| 23:16.43 | Supaplex | http://images.bite.lt/banga/files/club/432237fdba313.jpg is a good reason not to tail-gate. |
| 23:16.59 | maquis | findlay: i think you're right |
| 23:17.04 | maquis | i think sjansen's lying |
| 23:17.35 | Supaplex | it's not a kitchen if it has a toilet |
| 23:17.57 | maquis | Supaplex: ummmm ouch? |
| 23:18.19 | goozbach | dude! that's an arm |
| 23:18.24 | goozbach | in that pic |
| 23:18.39 | goozbach | methinks tis an arm of a dead person. |
| 23:18.41 | maquis | there's also a big red splotch on the back of the truck |
| 23:21.41 | xbmodder_lappy | hey all |
| 23:21.45 | xbmodder_lappy | I lost my soccer game |
| 23:21.52 | xbmodder_lappy | 4-0 |
| 23:21.53 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
| 23:22.09 | maquis | goozbach: i doubt anyone made it out of that car alive.... |
| 23:22.17 | maquis | that's horrible |
| 23:30.09 | xbmodder_lappy | ouch |
| 23:40.02 | sjansen | notice that the semi is barely scratched |
| 23:40.16 | sjansen | don't play chicken with a semi |
| 23:40.32 | maquis | sjansen: help!!! |
| 23:40.56 | maquis | i've got something really weird going on here... |
| 23:41.00 | maquis | and... i don't get it |
| 23:41.17 | maquis | and the thing that worries me most is that the output at the end is right, and i haven't the slightest idea why |
| 23:42.08 | sjansen | quick, find a ta and pass off! |
| 23:42.19 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 23:42.28 | maquis | sjansen: but i have to finish it first |
| 23:42.34 | maquis | and i want to know what's going on |
| 23:42.41 | maquis | o |
| 23:42.46 | maquis | i'm so confused |
| 23:42.59 | maquis | and it was due on thursday |
| 23:43.01 | maquis | :( |
| 23:44.36 | sjansen | you're doomed, give up now and find a job as a fry cook |
| 23:51.06 | maquis | why is it that you always have to be in the process of getting help from someone else before you can figure anything out? |
