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| 01:03.20 | maquis | ~apt |
| 01:03.21 | ibot | from memory, apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. an infobot, the same instance of a blootbot as ibot, jbot, and purl |
| 01:05.03 | maquis | ~purl |
| 01:05.04 | ibot | methinks purl is the same blootbot as apt, ibot, and jbot |
| 01:05.10 | maquis | ~jbot |
| 01:05.17 | ibot | jbot is probably dumb |
| 01:05.46 | maquis | ~you |
| 01:05.52 | ibot | i'm a broken bot |
| 01:05.55 | maquis | ~me |
| 01:05.58 | ibot | i don't give information like that to filthy cardassian spies |
| 01:06.04 | maquis | not bad... |
| 01:11.00 | hans | well that's it. we finished doctor who season one |
| 01:13.21 | sjansen | It's brown... but it's WORKING! |
| 01:14.00 | maquis | sjansen: ?? |
| 01:15.23 | sjansen | My Ubuntu upgrade. |
| 01:16.01 | sjansen | Fonts seem... different. Uglier. |
| 01:16.14 | hans | nonsense. ubuntu doesn't get uglier. only beautifuller |
| 01:16.55 | maquis | sjansen: how do centOS/RHEL4 compare to FC4? |
| 01:19.09 | sjansen | RHEL4 is more or less FC3. |
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| 01:22.16 | xbmodder_lappy | i need emcnabb |
| 01:22.40 | sjansen | I can ssh, check my mail, browse the Web, and listen to streaming mp3's. I declare this box useable! |
| 01:24.59 | mheath | Anyone familiar with Sun systems? |
| 01:25.12 | mheath | I'm trying to get Solaris 9 on this SPARC computer |
| 01:25.32 | mheath | The CD-ROM drive is bad, though, and I don't have the money to replace it, so I'm wanting to do a network install |
| 01:25.57 | mheath | But the network installation documentation says that you need a SPARC-based install server to do a network installation for a SPARC server |
| 01:26.07 | mheath | This is the only SPARC system I have, though |
| 01:26.21 | hans | mheath: what you need is a rusty fork |
| 01:26.43 | hans | sjansen: well and you can also IRC |
| 01:27.45 | xbmodder_lappy | does anyone here have the TI USB drivers (for the ti-83 usb graphlink cable)? |
| 01:28.32 | mheath | xbmodder, they're included in the Linux kernel. |
| 01:28.44 | mheath | I'm certain they're in the 2.6 series, and pretty sure they're in the 2.4 series |
| 01:30.06 | mheath | So basically this computer, which probably isn't worth $20, doesn't work for anything unless I pay $50+ getting a new CD-ROM drive for it >_< |
| 01:30.33 | hans | mheath: nah, sjansen can do wonders with a rusty fork |
| 01:30.42 | hans | besides, can't you borrow a cd rom for a while? |
| 01:31.15 | mheath | hans, I don't know anyone who has weird, high-end stuff like SCSI CD-ROM drives anymore |
| 01:31.38 | mheath | I've asked many times in here if anyone would be willing to let me borrow one for a weekend, but never got any response |
| 01:32.34 | hans | ask a mailing list |
| 01:32.45 | hans | sllug for example |
| 01:32.57 | mheath | I used to have a bunch of them |
| 01:33.06 | mheath | but I traded them ages ago, didn't think I'd ever need them |
| 01:33.10 | hans | levi says he has one, bet if you could pick it up he might let you borrow it for a weekend |
| 01:33.19 | hans | see, that's the cardinal rule |
| 01:33.36 | hans | you'll always need it, as long as it still works |
| 01:33.44 | hans | of course that argument never works on the mrs. |
| 01:34.16 | maquis | hans: true, unless the Mrs. doesn't mind having cool geeky stuff around |
| 01:34.21 | mheath | I had a big external enclosure tower full of 'em |
| 01:34.26 | mheath | bought them surplus for $10 |
| 01:35.43 | maquis | debian and i weren't meant for each other |
| 01:36.00 | mheath | maquis, Slackware :) |
| 01:36.18 | maquis | mheath: i've heard that takes a while to install |
| 01:36.24 | mheath | maquis, takes about 20 minutes. |
| 01:36.32 | maquis | to set up completely? |
| 01:36.39 | mheath | maquis, if you do a full install, yeah. |
| 01:36.47 | maquis | for this box, i need to have it completely set up and ready to go quickly... |
| 01:36.52 | maquis | and it needs to auto-detect most things |
| 01:36.53 | mheath | (it will obviously take longer, because of human slowness, if you go through and pick and choose software) |
| 01:37.14 | mheath | maquis, slackware has hotplug, udev, and a kernel with all the modules you could need |
| 01:37.21 | mheath | It will autodetect most hardware |
| 01:37.31 | maquis | mheath: does it normally auto-setup things like sata and dma and all that? |
| 01:37.48 | maquis | debian isn't liking my drives, and refuses to set up DMA on them |
| 01:38.21 | mheath | maquis, DMA should be supported, you might have to tweak settings to get it activated for whatever your situation is |
| 01:38.44 | mheath | SATA is supported out of the box (you have to boot the install disk using the sata-enabeled kernel, as well as choose to install the sata-enabled kernel) |
| 01:42.46 | hans | tried ubuntu? |
| 01:43.47 | hans | maquis: that wasn't a very long trial |
| 01:43.50 | sjansen | I have a Pango Cairo development environment! |
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| 01:44.37 | hans | you will be the next king of fonts |
| 01:45.00 | mheath | maquis, you've got perfect timing too; a new version of Slackware was released today. |
| 01:50.49 | rosciv1 | Ok, I have two objects that I want to link together. |
| 01:50.49 | rosciv1 | So I have a method in the class, setConnectedObject(Object o) which sets this.connectedObject = o and calls o.setConnectedObject(this). |
| 01:51.21 | rosciv1 | Obvious problem, infinite recursion ... so I wrap the contents of the method with "if (flag) return; flag = true; ... flag = false;" |
| 01:51.42 | rosciv1 | Is there a more elegant way of approaching this problem, or is this the 'standard' way of achieving this? |
| 01:52.06 | rosciv1 | It seems like it's common enough that there should be some sort of design pattern for doing it. |
| 01:52.23 | Supaplex | JoshH: p0ink |
| 02:03.28 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone here got tilp working? |
| 02:03.30 | maquis | hans: it's really not going all too well... |
| 02:03.55 | maquis | burning cds, and anything disk-intensive is insanely slow and takes 99% cpu |
| 02:04.21 | maquis | it won't let me add DMA, although it's auto-setup in a lot of other distros... |
| 02:04.50 | maquis | and everything seems pretty behind... |
| 02:05.16 | rosciv1 | new distro maquis? |
| 02:05.31 | maquis | rosciv1: yup... |
| 02:05.41 | maquis | not today (since i'm hideously behind on schoolwork), but moderately soon |
| 02:05.56 | maquis | i'm waiting on a drive that'll be arriving soon from newegg so i can back everything up... |
| 02:06.03 | hans | what do you mean it won't let you set up DMA? |
| 02:06.30 | hans | that has nothing to do with the distro, and everything to do with your kernel. Surely you've compiled a few kernels in your gentoo days. |
| 02:07.51 | maquis | hans: i'm pretty sure i've got everything i need compiled in |
| 02:08.26 | maquis | i've googled and asked around, and all i can see is that it works automagically in FC4 and other kernels |
| 02:09.00 | rosciv1 | hans: different distros have different options compiled in their stock kernels, so it does have at least something to do with the distro |
| 02:09.06 | maquis | i don't know why it's not playing friendly, but i'm going to try something else for now, then i'll run a distro-quest, and see what i want to do in the slightly longer-term |
| 02:09.13 | maquis | rosciv1: i'm not using a stock kernel anymore |
| 02:09.28 | rosciv1 | heh, well there's your problem :) |
| 02:09.47 | maquis | i've recompiled a number of times trying to get this working, and i can't see any way to get it without reinstalling anyway... |
| 02:10.08 | maquis | it won't even see my drives as /dev/sd*... it's detecting them as /dev/hd* |
| 02:10.34 | hans | yes, it has something to do with it that she's having the problem |
| 02:10.42 | hans | I agree, I don't much like Debian's stock kernel |
| 02:10.49 | hans | but then I don't like anyone's stock kernel. |
| 02:11.01 | maquis | hans: question for you... i recall reading *someplace* (not sure where) that there's a command to fix the indenting on an existing code-file in vim? |
| 02:11.04 | maquis | is that correct? |
| 02:11.12 | maquis | i can't find it in a quick googling... |
| 02:11.18 | hans | vjjjjjjjjjjj= |
| 02:11.19 | maquis | so, i'm wondering if i'm inventing it |
| 02:11.25 | byronc | maquis: ggVG== |
| 02:11.30 | hans | one = |
| 02:11.33 | maquis | ggVG= |
| 02:11.34 | maquis | ? |
| 02:11.40 | byronc | hans: yep, sorry about that |
| 02:11.49 | maquis | do you need a : in front of it? |
| 02:11.50 | hans | maquis: that sd/hd thing is your kernel |
| 02:11.51 | xbmodder_lappy | touch emcnabb |
| 02:11.55 | xbmodder_lappy | ~seen emcnabb |
| 02:12.01 | ibot | emcnabb <n=emcnabb@71-35-233-248.slkc.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 1d 52m 32s ago, saying: 'sjansen, I got a copy of it'. |
| 02:12.01 | hans | not debian's fault, it's dependent on which version of the kernel you're running |
| 02:12.05 | hans | they couldn't make up their minds for a while. |
| 02:12.22 | hans | I remember well the day I upgraded from one to the other at work and my SATA drives stopped working |
| 02:12.47 | hans | SATA you're definitely going to want to grab a recent kernel |
| 02:13.06 | hans | at least 2.6.12, methinks |
| 02:13.29 | hans | i'm trying to remember, but I think 9 was one of the big changes |
| 02:13.35 | hans | so stay away from 8/9 |
| 02:13.36 | maquis | hans: but... shouldn't it depend on which version of the kernel i install with? |
| 02:13.49 | maquis | i mean, when i first installed, before i ever messed with the kernel, it was that way |
| 02:13.55 | hans | um, no. how it works depends on which kernel you're running |
| 02:14.07 | hans | which way? hd*? Ok, so your drive is hda. is that so bad? |
| 02:14.12 | maquis | and as far as i understand, to change it would involve reinstalling, because fstab and grub and everything are looking for /dev/hd* |
| 02:14.31 | hans | no reinstall |
| 02:14.44 | hans | just a boot CD, or a carefully orchestrated change/reboot cycle |
| 02:14.45 | maquis | hans: from talking with lots of people, including emcnabb (who has a similar laptop), i can't get dma unless i can get it to recognize that it's /dev/sda |
| 02:14.59 | hans | ok, then get a recent kernel. compile it. change fstab/grub |
| 02:15.00 | hans | reboot |
| 02:15.18 | hans | it is a pain |
| 02:15.21 | maquis | hans: if that was the only thing that i'm not liking about debian, i'd go for that |
| 02:15.22 | hans | but it's not debian's fault |
| 02:15.49 | maquis | but i'm really not getting along with the fact that debian seems out-of-date as far as packages |
| 02:15.57 | maquis | (which *is* debian's fault) |
| 02:15.59 | hans | you've been running gentoo |
| 02:16.05 | maquis | yes |
| 02:16.07 | hans | everything will feel that way |
| 02:16.19 | maquis | i want to have recent packages |
| 02:16.29 | hans | debian is usually worse, but the release wasn't long ago so the effect is minimal compared to other times |
| 02:16.30 | maquis | at least have Xorg instead of XFree |
| 02:16.49 | hans | why? |
| 02:17.41 | byronc | maquis: then run testing |
| 02:17.43 | hans | well I love to shoot holes in peoples arguments against debian, but it's time for dinner. |
| 02:18.06 | hans | usually it just boils down to "it's not what I'm used to" and "I want recent packages but don't like the name unstable" |
| 02:18.17 | maquis | because... it's the up to date X system |
| 02:18.26 | maquis | byronc: i've heard that nothing works if you use Xorg in testing |
| 02:18.35 | maquis | err... |
| 02:18.36 | byronc | maquis: you heard _wrong_ |
| 02:18.37 | maquis | yeah |
| 02:19.19 | maquis | anyway, i'm going to have to look around and figure out what i want long-term... |
| 02:20.07 | maquis | but for right now, debian and I aren't getting along... I'll certainly come back and give it another try later, but right now, i don't have the time to mess with trying to make it do what i want when some of the other distros will do it all on their own... |
| 02:20.19 | maquis | i'll probably be back to try it on my other box in a little bit... |
| 02:21.04 | maquis | if we get along better then, and i have the time to play with it, i'll be back more... |
| 02:21.38 | maquis | i'm actually considering sticking it on my server in the near future |
| 02:21.44 | maquis | i just don't think it belongs on this box right now |
| 02:22.04 | maquis | (gentoo isn't getting along overly well on my server) |
| 02:23.46 | maquis | i'd like to give it more of a chance, but not on this box at this point... |
| 02:31.07 | hans | i abandoned debian the first time, too. |
| 02:32.01 | hans | it's a tradeoff. setup time, maintenance time. debian doesn't do the flashy instant-perfection that the other distros strive for, and it's a problem. but it makes it easier to get where you want to be long term and stay there. |
| 02:33.25 | hans | Not perfect by any means. Actually these days I technically run demudi, which is a custom debian distro for audio stuff and it gets me the audio software I want/need as fast as anything else out there does (and its only real competitor is its sister project rehmudi and Planet CCRMA) |
| 03:16.30 | hans | Anyone know how to make those cool underline to the edge of the paper for forms line thingies in OO.o? |
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| 03:25.54 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
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| 03:40.22 | hans | So it's time to choose a name for my business |
| 03:41.12 | hans | So far I'm tossing around (Fugal|Pajaro) Computing (Services)? |
| 03:41.18 | hans | any thoughts? |
| 03:41.25 | mheath | What kind of services are you providing? |
| 03:41.54 | hans | sysadmin, programming, web programming, asterisk, whatever I can drum up really |
| 03:57.19 | maquis | pajaro? |
| 03:57.47 | RyanE | Fujaro. |
| 03:58.11 | maquis | ??? |
| 04:02.53 | xbmodder_lappy | hans, what is it? |
| 04:02.55 | xbmodder_lappy | oh |
| 04:03.11 | xbmodder_lappy | hans, you need some employees? |
| 04:03.56 | xbmodder_lappy | hans, A good idea: /me thinks |
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| 04:04.36 | xbmodder_lappy | Fugal sounds cool |
| 04:04.44 | xbmodder_lappy | "Fugal computers" |
| 04:04.51 | hans | heh, no employees. just me |
| 04:05.03 | hans | pajaro is spanish for bird. fugl is danish for bird |
| 04:05.15 | hans | I'm in new mexico |
| 04:05.22 | xbmodder_lappy | hans, sure -- me in my friends are starting a business like this. |
| 04:05.25 | xbmodder_lappy | sweet |
| 04:05.30 | xbmodder_lappy | hans, what City? |
| 04:05.58 | Supaplex | my guess is the new part |
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| 04:09.11 | hans | las cruces |
| 04:09.45 | bonez39 | I get this message when attempting to load sql-ledger: The requested URL /sql-ledger/admin.pl was not found on this server...... Here's my question... What tells Apache where to find this or that file, or script or .html page to run or load? |
| 04:13.58 | maquis | hans: my vote is for fugal computers |
| 04:14.15 | hans | fugal computing you mean? fugal computers sounds like I'm selling hardware |
| 04:14.16 | maquis | or "starving-grad-student computers" :) |
| 04:14.21 | maquis | hans: right... |
| 04:14.27 | maquis | "starving-grad-student computing" |
| 04:14.38 | xbmodder_lappy | haha |
| 04:15.02 | levi | hans: Trying to name your business? |
| 04:16.21 | hans | yeah |
| 04:16.35 | hans | i'm toying with (fugal|pajaro) computing (services)? |
| 04:16.44 | hans | one vote for fugal computing |
| 04:17.08 | levi | Kinda generic, but serviceable. |
| 04:17.41 | hans | other ideas are welcome too |
| 04:17.42 | RyanE | I think you shorten the fugal to 'FU Computing'. Offensive, but catchy. :) |
| 04:18.02 | hans | ideas are always welcome |
| 04:18.07 | hans | not always accepted... ;-) |
| 04:18.33 | maquis | hans: i take it the starving-grad-student idea wasn't accepted? :( |
| 04:18.45 | hans | sorry, not starving yet |
| 04:18.51 | maquis | hmmm |
| 04:18.54 | maquis | wait a month :) |
| 04:22.02 | bonez39 | how about Fugality Computing? subtle hint in there of your services being all things Frugal.....hehe |
| 04:22.16 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
| 04:22.21 | xbmodder_lappy | bonez39, da goodness |
| 04:22.59 | xbmodder_lappy | Computer Foo? |
| 04:23.10 | xbmodder_lappy | Fug that Computer |
| 04:23.39 | maquis | http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5865391.html |
| 04:23.47 | xbmodder_lappy | ~acronym FUD |
| 04:24.01 | bonez39 | xbmodder, Fug....too close to the mother of all words.... |
| 04:24.05 | xbmodder_lappy | hehe |
| 04:26.36 | hans | poor poor paris |
| 04:29.35 | levi | hans: Hmm? |
| 04:29.56 | levi | Oh, maquis's link. |
| 04:38.56 | hans | Fugal Computing it is, at least until the end of the tax year |
| 04:39.18 | hans | I might incorporate come dec/jan and pick a new name then. so keep those creative juices flowing! |
| 04:40.48 | hans | the domain nameis even available. fancy that |
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| 04:53.00 | xbmodder_lappy | hans, /me crosses his fingers that "hans> poor poor paris" is <sarcasm>%s</sarcasm> |
| 04:56.32 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
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| 05:34.25 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart *.* |
| 05:43.28 | maquis | ~lart SpecialZ |
| 05:45.23 | xbmodder_lappy | hans, you still here? |
| 05:45.26 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, pingy? |
| 05:53.43 | tensai | poor, poor database. I hope it survives my query. |
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| 06:05.43 | maquis | tensai: what are you doing to the poor thing? |
| 06:06.32 | tensai | just updating a few thousand rows. the problem is finding the rows to update which means a large subquery. |
| 06:06.53 | tensai | did you get your crazy mail scheme figured out? |
| 06:07.50 | maquis | no, but i'm going to be switching distros, and i'm going to try again |
| 06:08.52 | JoshH | switching to debian? |
| 06:09.26 | maquis | JoshH: ummm no |
| 06:09.28 | maquis | other way |
| 06:09.32 | JoshH | :( |
| 06:09.38 | maquis | my lptop and debian aren't getting along |
| 06:09.49 | maquis | i'm considering giving debian a chane on my server |
| 06:09.58 | maquis | because gentoo and my server aren't getting along all that well |
| 06:10.10 | JoshH | http://www.whiprush.org/2002/10/reprint_redhat_.html |
| 06:10.38 | JoshH | thats a great read... all roads eventually lead to debian |
| 06:10.40 | maquis | i keep getting told that o |
| 06:10.44 | maquis | o |
| 06:10.48 | maquis | iv'e got things backwards |
| 06:11.02 | maquis | so, i'm going to try putting debian over there, and see if that plays nicely |
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| 07:03.43 | tensai | yay! it worked. only 53 minutes. |
| 07:05.03 | wps | I just compiled apache and php for my first time |
| 07:05.11 | wps | (on Fedora) |
| 07:05.23 | wps | I am upgrading from PHP 5.0.3 to PHP 5.0.5 |
| 07:05.32 | wps | I am fairly certain that it all went right… no errors |
| 07:05.42 | wps | my phpinfo() is still showing 5.0.3 though |
| 07:06.14 | wps | is there somewhere that I need to specify that it use the new install instead of the old? |
| 07:10.18 | JoshH | which module is enabled in the apache config? |
| 07:10.39 | JoshH | make sure the LoadModule line points to the new one |
| 07:12.02 | wps | k |
| 07:13.41 | JoshH | if it just says something like libphp5.so, maybe your custom one got installed to a different location, jut change the path |
| 07:13.48 | JoshH | then restart apache and you should be good |
| 07:14.51 | wps | # PHP5 |
| 07:14.51 | wps | #LoadModule php5_module libexec/libphp5.so |
| 07:14.51 | wps | AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 07:14.59 | wps | looks like it's commented out? |
| 07:17.11 | JoshH | did you compile php as a DSO? |
| 07:17.59 | wps | DSO? |
| 07:18.17 | JoshH | dynamically shared object, (a module) |
| 07:18.33 | wps | yes, I believe so |
| 07:18.37 | JoshH | what configure command did you use for apache and php? |
| 07:18.40 | wps | compiled MySQL and PHP together |
| 07:19.04 | wps | ./configure |
| 07:19.08 | wps | for a script I created |
| 07:19.25 | JoshH | what configure options |
| 07:19.31 | wps | you want me to past the entire thing in here? |
| 07:19.57 | JoshH | do it in #wps |
| 07:21.59 | wps | done |
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| 13:52.05 | hans | ~lart someone |
| 13:52.39 | hans | so I sit down to the computer and the monitor doesn't wake up. so I figure the new kernel's locked up and reset it |
| 13:53.07 | hans | then I realize the monitor was turned off in th emiddle of the night by my wife because the screensaver was disabled because it kept coming on during doctor who |
| 13:55.05 | maquis | and he hijacked |
| 13:59.23 | harleypig | Hey! What happened to the jabber server? |
| 14:00.54 | hans | cool |
| 14:00.55 | hans | German inventor has found a way to power a car using dead cats. |
| 14:01.33 | hans | seems to be working to me harleypig |
| 14:01.59 | harleypig | Too bad it'll never become popular. Too many people think those little clawed hairballs are of some value alive. |
| 14:02.10 | harleypig | hmmm. It's probably personal then. |
| 14:03.23 | hans | actually it does seem to be down after all |
| 14:03.45 | hans | maybe jayce's building got bombed |
| 14:03.51 | hans | i can't ssh in either |
| 14:11.43 | hans | heh, "stop all spam, period. 100% effective" |
| 14:12.06 | hans | http://www.qurb.com/products/antispam.php |
| 14:12.33 | hans | I like how they have a screenshot of someone approving quarantined messages. |
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| 14:13.30 | hans | emcnabb, on the other hand |
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| 14:16.16 | sjansen | I find it odd that so many people think Debian unstable is a good option. |
| 14:16.25 | xbmodder | emcnabb, you still have your graphlink cable working? |
| 14:16.30 | sjansen | Every time I tried it, it was exactly that: unstable. |
| 14:16.42 | sjansen | AKA, too broken to be usable. |
| 14:16.54 | roscivs-w | sjansen: what distro are you using these days? |
| 14:17.02 | sjansen | Ubuntu |
| 14:17.19 | hans | i've used it frequently, however right now (soon after a release) is definitely a bad time to run unstable |
| 14:18.35 | roscivs-w | I tried Ubuntu. Found it to be good, but about the same as Fedora, which I normally use. |
| 14:18.40 | mheath | The only thing I can stand anymore is my custom system |
| 14:18.52 | mheath | Roughly based on Slackware, but well down the path to becoming my own distro. |
| 14:18.58 | emcnabb | xbmodder, I haven't messed with it recently |
| 14:19.16 | sjansen | roscivs-w: Agreed, but Ubuntu doesn't put you on an insane upgrade treadmill. |
| 14:19.29 | sjansen | There are some Fedora features I wish I had, though. |
| 14:21.11 | mheath | sjansen, like what? |
| 14:24.05 | sjansen | selinux and xen integration |
| 14:24.20 | xbmodder | cool. |
| 14:24.24 | roscivs-w | sjansen: I'm not sure what this "upgrade treadmill" is people keep talking about ... you don't have to upgrade if you don't want to? |
| 14:24.46 | [-] | ... |
| 14:24.53 | [-] | Yeah. |
| 14:25.01 | [-] | Or I could just go back to OS/2. |
| 14:25.01 | roscivs-w | And if it really bothers you that much, use CentOS on the boxes you don't plan on upgrading frequently, |
| 14:25.14 | sjansen | I also suspect that Fedora Extras will work better that Ubuntu Universe because someone's actively doing Q&A for Extras whereas Universe is an unsupported point in time snapshot of unstable. |
| 14:25.30 | roscivs-w | nearly the same packages and structure, but slightly older and (allegedly) more stable. |
| 14:26.14 | [-] | sjansen: they actually have something in the works along those lines. |
| 14:26.18 | roscivs-w | sjansen: I found that at least for the packages I use, the Ubuntu repositories were about equal to the Fedora repositories in terms of what packages I could find and what packages I couldn't find. |
| 14:26.23 | sjansen | roscivs-w: Fedora's policy is to release the latest version of software for bug fixes, security issues, maintainer whims. That usually cascades to other packages being upgraded too. Ubuntu does more back porting. |
| 14:26.43 | [-] | sjansen: Well that's a reflection of it being the RH engineers' playground. |
| 14:27.18 | roscivs-w | sjansen: I guess I can never stand having a year-old distro on my desktop ... too many out-of-date packages ... so I never have run into any bugfix/security problems of that sort |
| 14:27.44 | sjansen | I miss the good old days when I didn't know enough to see the flaws in every distro. I could happily malign Mandrake and live contented on RH. |
| 14:28.06 | roscivs-w | sjansen: Heheh, yeah, that's the problem ... every distro has its own set of problems. |
| 14:28.35 | roscivs-w | I figure that picking between the major four or five distros is basically just picking which set of flaws you're most comfortable dealing with. |
| 14:31.34 | [-] | I love you C-esque string formatting. |
| 14:32.01 | sjansen | ? |
| 14:32.13 | [-] | sprintf() |
| 14:32.22 | [-] | ala Python's string formatting |
| 14:32.29 | [-] | '%s' % string |
| 14:32.29 | [-] | etc |
| 14:32.54 | {-} | Can python re-order arguments? |
| 14:33.40 | {-} | 'Your %2s is %1s' % 'borked', 'foo' <-- in semi-psuedo code |
| 14:33.55 | [-] | nay |
| 14:33.59 | {-} | bummer |
| 14:34.03 | [-] | but you can use dictionaries instead of tuples |
| 14:34.20 | {-} | that's one of the things I really liked about .Nets string formatting |
| 14:34.23 | [-] | (hashes = dictionaries) |
| 14:34.28 | {-} | Although gnu printf kinda supports it |
| 14:34.51 | {-} | Makes translating easier. |
| 14:34.57 | [-] | yeah. |
| 14:35.43 | roscivs-w | That's a very confusing conversation to follow. |
| 14:36.22 | |-| | why is that? |
| 14:37.04 | ]-[ | everyone looks too similar. |
| 14:37.23 | dataw0lf | ooh a memo |
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| 14:38.44 | |-| | who knows? |
| 14:38.46 | dataw0lf | done? |
| 14:38.49 | web_knows | yeah |
| 14:38.52 | web_knows | the web knows |
| 14:38.54 | web_knows | :> |
| 14:39.06 | roscivs-w | that was fun and exciting |
| 14:39.16 | [-] | I hope you feel invigorated |
| 14:39.23 | roscivs-w | and enlightened |
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| 14:39.39 | roscivs-w | I never knew how all-punctuation handles could make you feel. |
| 14:39.54 | [-] | I am one with myself. |
| 14:39.59 | graphyx | it makes me feel [!] |
| 14:40.04 | roscivs-w | It's like Zen. |
| 14:40.29 | [-] | not likely, ! is reserved |
| 14:40.31 | [ | it's interesting to see what characters IRC likes and doesn't like |
| 14:40.56 | [-] | if you have basic knowledge of ircds it's pretty predictable. |
| 14:41.11 | }-{ | I don't, unfortunately. |
| 14:41.39 | }-{ | Or fortunately as the case may be. |
| 14:41.50 | }-{ | Like, why is }-{ okay, but }--{ is illegal? |
| 14:42.07 | }-{ | and why is [-] ok, but [] is illegal? |
| 14:42.20 | }-{ | The mysteries of the ircuniverse. |
| 14:42.23 | [-] | I don't want to dorkify you, as the case may be. |
| 14:42.37 | }-{ | The questions were more or less rhetorical, don't worry. |
| 14:42.59 | [-] | please enclose that in xml next time then, sheesh. |
| 14:43.12 | }-{ | heh. |
| 14:43.32 | graphyx | Ibot should have a punctuation handle |
| 14:44.26 | [-] | oh. no. |
| 14:44.34 | [-] | Danger Will Robinson! Danger! |
| 14:44.43 | [-] | one of my tech support guys just crashed one of the ES40s |
| 14:44.48 | [-] | bbiab |
| 14:44.57 | Supaplex | fun fun fun! |
| 14:49.52 | [-] | whew |
| 14:49.58 | [-] | three guesses where I put my foot |
| 14:50.07 | sjansen | neck |
| 14:50.14 | roscivs-w | mouth? |
| 14:50.26 | graphyx | hit rump? |
| 14:50.30 | graphyx | his rump? |
| 14:50.45 | [-] | ding ding ding! graphyx is our winner. |
| 14:53.35 | hans | ~seen jsmith |
| 14:53.37 | ibot | jsmith <n=jsmith@64.0.193.24> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 16h 1m 1s ago, saying: 'diskotec|w: Don't get me wrong, I love my job. I just travel too much.'. |
| 14:53.37 | sjansen | graphyx: keep a few on your desk, they ward off bad luck (or at least co-workers) |
| 14:53.41 | hans | any fax gurus? |
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| 14:54.52 | [-] | oh, this is dataw0lf. |
| 14:55.03 | Jayce^ | yeah, knew that :) |
| 14:55.08 | [-] | hehe |
| 14:56.40 | hans | goal: receive faxes to my email |
| 14:56.57 | hans | anyone know a solution path? |
| 14:57.17 | roscivs-w | hans: free or $$ ? |
| 14:57.18 | graphyx | I am interested in that solution path myself. |
| 14:57.20 | hans | preferably one that doesn't cost $$ |
| 14:57.25 | graphyx | via asterisk I am sure. |
| 14:57.35 | hans | given that I have knowhow and asterisk, but it doesn't have to be an asterisk solution |
| 14:57.42 | [-] | http://www.faximum.com/fms/monograph/ |
| 14:58.14 | graphyx | I want a asterisk fax solution. |
| 14:58.51 | [-] | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+Fax+to+email |
| 14:59.15 | hans | i've read the wiki on that, and I don't pretend to understand it all but I think astfax is the best bet there |
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| 14:59.42 | hans | i'll probably pursue that path, but it looks too complicated for the next two hours, and I'd like to (but not urgent) get set up in that amount of time |
| 14:59.45 | [-] | it's all greek to me. I only know enough about asterisk to get it setup and barely keep it running. |
| 14:59.46 | hans | yes, I procrastinated. ;-) |
| 15:00.04 | hans | I figured it would be a simple plug hylafax into asterisk situation |
| 15:00.11 | hans | but apparently it's not so simple |
| 15:00.18 | [-] | is it ever? |
| 15:00.32 | hans | not with telephony, no. :) |
| 15:00.37 | [-] | :) |
| 15:01.24 | sjansen | o/~ You've got to go to the lonesome valley. ~/o |
| 15:02.03 | [-] | Fairfield Four? |
| 15:02.15 | sjansen | yup |
| 15:02.25 | hans | oh well, here I go into astfax. gonna require ditching the asterisk deb and striking out on my own, which I've been meaning to do anyway |
| 15:03.27 | hans | wait, what's this? an asterisk-app-fax package? |
| 15:03.40 | [-] | uh oh. |
| 15:03.51 | [-] | sjansen: you upgraded to Breezy yet? |
| 15:04.06 | sjansen | yup, last night |
| 15:04.26 | sjansen | pcmcia and nvidia gave me no trouble |
| 15:04.39 | [-] | this next week might be a little rough. |
| 15:04.51 | [-] | I'll probably wait til next Friday. |
| 15:04.53 | hans | oh, and asterisk-chan-capi, which was one of the things quoted as working with hylafax |
| 15:04.54 | sjansen | only problem was that X fonts moved to a new directory so that I had to manually fix my Xorg.conf |
| 15:05.07 | hans | maybe this will be a plug hylafax into asterisk problem after all. time to figure out what the heck capi is |
| 15:05.14 | [-] | How's gnome 2.12? |
| 15:05.24 | sjansen | [-]: yeah, I've noticed the changes are coming hot and heavy |
| 15:05.31 | [-] | sjansen: yeah. |
| 15:05.43 | sjansen | I was planning on waiting longer, but I need a new glibc and one thing led to another... |
| 15:05.55 | [-] | hehe |
| 15:05.59 | [-] | excuses excuses |
| 15:06.37 | sjansen | 2.12 is incremental, although I liked the new notification pop-up |
| 15:06.56 | sjansen | fonts seem smaller with the switch to cairo |
| 15:08.13 | [-] | hmm |
| 15:08.28 | [-] | I wish xfce dev would move a bit faster :\ |
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| 15:14.56 | xbmodder_ | SyaZaLoveNabiL < bot -- suggestion you ignore |
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| 15:23.06 | sjansen | o/~ Maybe it was the moonlight, the scent of you on the breeze. Maybe it was your shadow fell over me. ~/o |
| 15:23.31 | sjansen | [-]: Brooks & Dunn better? |
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| 15:28.05 | hagna | [-]: hello |
| 15:28.26 | [-] | >_> |
| 15:28.28 | [-] | <_< |
| 15:28.31 | [-] | what did I do this time? |
| 15:34.51 | mrpull- | [-]: why the new name? |
| 15:36.08 | {-} | he was inspired |
| 15:36.24 | sjansen | ;-) |
| 15:36.32 | mrpull- | heh. i figured. |
| 15:36.38 | [-] | um. |
| 15:36.48 | [-] | No, I've been using [-] off and on since about 98. |
| 15:36.49 | [-] | kthnx. |
| 15:37.02 | [-] | although sjansen did remind me of it with {-}, which is why I switched. |
| 15:37.25 | mrpull- | [-]: I see |
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| 15:40.01 | mrpull- | [-]: what is the inspiration for the nick? looks kinda like crosshairs |
| 15:40.21 | [-] | ahem, actually, no. |
| 15:40.23 | Jayce^ | (+) |
| 15:40.23 | [-] | it was something else. |
| 15:40.30 | Jayce^ | it's a tie fighter! |
| 15:40.33 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 15:40.45 | Jayce^ | and sjansen does a tie interceptor |
| 15:41.00 | sjansen | ~blast Jayce^ |
| 15:41.59 | mrpull- | really? I love starwars nerds. they are great. |
| 15:42.17 | sjansen | ~blast Jayce^ |
| 15:42.18 | ibot | ACTION pulls her blaster and uses Jayce^ for target practice |
| 15:42.28 | sjansen | better |
| 15:42.43 | Jayce^ | no blasters... no blasters |
| 15:45.57 | harleypig | :D |
| 15:46.26 | Jayce^ | harleypig, missed ya last night |
| 15:46.53 | harleypig | Yeah, well ... a few more months. *sigh* |
| 15:49.12 | hagna | [-]: are you the artist formerly known as ... |
| 15:50.01 | hans | graphyx: ok, now I know about faxing in asterisk. what's your situation? |
| 15:50.01 | hagna | ibot: you are female today? |
| 15:50.06 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, hagna |
| 15:50.13 | hagna | ibot: sex? |
| 15:50.15 | ibot | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep, or super extractor, http://sf.net/projects/sex/ |
| 15:50.27 | hagna | ibot: chromasome? |
| 15:50.29 | ibot | XX naturally |
| 15:50.39 | hagna | whoa |
| 15:53.57 | sjansen | gender? |
| 15:54.06 | sjansen | gender? |
| 15:54.09 | sjansen | ~gender? |
| 15:54.10 | ibot | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 15:54.21 | sjansen | stupid ~ key |
| 15:56.05 | mrpull- | odd. Vista will use USB flash drives to supplement virtual memory. Why not buy more RAM? |
| 15:56.11 | mrpull- | or faster disks? |
| 15:56.51 | [-] | I think they're just going for the 'nifty' factor. |
| 15:57.25 | hans | wow. will they use usb-enabled hp calculators to supplement cpu speed too? |
| 15:57.27 | mrpull- | [-]: you are probably right, but who does that appeal to? |
| 15:57.35 | hans | morons with usb drives |
| 15:57.55 | sjansen | storing such data on a medium with a limited number of writes doesn't strike me as "nifty" |
| 15:58.16 | [-] | sjansen: it doesn't have to make sense. |
| 15:58.22 | [-] | end-users will gobble it up. |
| 15:58.36 | hans | ms probably invested in a few flashdrive companies |
| 15:58.39 | mrpull- | plus, if it starts swapping to my usbkey plugged into my USB1.x port... it can't be faster than my RAID0 array right? |
| 15:59.42 | hans | it's not going to be worth setting up to receive faxes over voip |
| 15:59.52 | mrpull- | the articles I read call it virtual memory, but imply it is something different.... they'll prefetch commonly used files and stick them on (the presumably) faster flash memory |
| 16:00.19 | hans | http://www.soft-switch.org/foip.html |
| 16:00.52 | hans | hmm, are usb drives really faster? I always thought mine was dog slow |
| 16:01.11 | mrpull- | hans: my experience is they are slower than my hard disks |
| 16:01.15 | hans | mine too |
| 16:01.32 | mrpull- | my nano seems to be a lot faster than the other usb flash disks I have tho |
| 16:01.32 | hans | maybe hard disks are getting slower, though |
| 16:01.47 | mrpull- | hans: yeah, that must be it ;-) |
| 16:02.28 | [-] | mmmm five thousand DVD-RWs |
| 16:04.44 | sjansen | mrpull-: have you tried using your nano with Linux? |
| 16:04.55 | mrpull- | sjansen: nope |
| 16:05.05 | mrpull- | linux is for servers :) |
| 16:06.11 | [-] | ew Apple. |
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| 16:09.18 | mrpull- | [-]: what is wrong with apple? |
| 16:10.10 | [-] | mrpull-: can't stand em. |
| 16:10.12 | [-] | I have many reasons. |
| 16:10.17 | [-] | But I don't wish to start a flame war. |
| 16:10.24 | [-] | So just leave it to personal preference. |
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| 16:10.55 | mrpull- | fair enough.... but if you cant get on board with Apple, who can you love? |
| 16:11.30 | [-] | mrpull-: I won't get dragged into this argument. |
| 16:12.19 | mrpull- | [-]: you are no fun. |
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| 16:13.16 | [-] | mrpull-: I just get tired of winning against you Apple advocates :) |
| 16:13.43 | mrpull- | [-]: I'm not an Apple fan. |
| 16:14.07 | [-] | Sure. |
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| 16:14.46 | mrpull- | [-]: Honest. I respect their products, but i'm not a cheerleader/fanboy/whatever |
| 16:15.09 | [-] | mrpull-: Good for you. |
| 16:26.02 | maquis | anyone else unable to connect to jabber.plug.org? |
| 16:26.14 | Jayce^ | sorry, I gotta take care of that |
| 16:26.17 | levi | maquis: I just got bumped off. |
| 16:26.33 | maquis | Jayce^: no problem.. .just making sure it's not just me |
| 16:26.35 | levi | I place the blame squarely on Jayce^ and his perl-loving ways! ;) |
| 16:26.46 | maquis | it actually made gaim seg-fault :) |
| 16:26.52 | Jayce^ | hhehe |
| 16:27.08 | maquis | this is interesting |
| 16:27.30 | maquis | the thinkpads come with 3 different covers for the little eraser-thingy in the middle of the keyboard |
| 16:27.42 | maquis | i just switched to a different one... they're interesting |
| 16:28.02 | mrpull- | maquis: feel like a cat tongue |
| 16:28.13 | sjansen | o/~ I'm always working, slaving, every day. Gotta get a break from the same old same-old. ~/o |
| 16:28.42 | levi | maquis: I like those little nub thingies, but I'm getting used to a trackpad. |
| 16:28.49 | Jayce^ | I blame sjansen and his attempt to cover his tracks |
| 16:28.58 | mrpull- | sjansen: Poison? |
| 16:29.11 | levi | maquis: Does your nub thingy sometimes lose its centering and cause the cursor to drift around when you haven't got your finger on it? |
| 16:29.32 | sjansen | mrpull-: yup |
| 16:29.49 | maquis | levi: nope.. |
| 16:30.01 | maquis | ~mug mrpull- and steal his nano |
| 16:30.21 | levi | maquis: My Vaio one often did. It was annoying. |
| 16:30.50 | Jayce^ | looks like the box hiccuped (rebooted itself)... problem is, it won't post without a keyboard |
| 16:30.54 | mrpull- | Vaio's are annoying in general |
| 16:30.58 | Jayce^ | dumb hp hardware |
| 16:31.21 | synic | sjansen: hwo'd the upgrade go? |
| 16:32.06 | Jayce^ | levi, I've never met a dell that didn't have that problem |
| 16:32.12 | sjansen | synic: long, but nvidia and pcmcia survived |
| 16:32.22 | synic | nice |
| 16:32.26 | sjansen | synic: they changed the X fonts dir, though, so I had to fix my Xorg.conf |
| 16:32.39 | synic | yeah |
| 16:32.59 | sjansen | had to dist-upgrade a few times because of some packages that failed to install the first try |
| 16:33.04 | levi | Jayce^: Dells had the keyboard pointer nibs? |
| 16:33.24 | sjansen | otherwise, the upgrade wasn't too bad |
| 16:33.31 | Jayce^ | levi, yeah, most dells have both |
| 16:33.37 | levi | Ahh. |
| 16:34.47 | maquis | Jayce^: thanks |
| 16:35.20 | Jayce^ | you caught it within seconds of the daemon starting |
| 16:35.48 | maquis | Jayce^: i had forgotten to turn off my "ping jabber.plug.org", so i noticed the moment it started returning pings :) |
| 16:37.07 | maquis | having to press a key to get to the menu seems kinda odd |
| 16:37.14 | maquis | i missed it a few times at the installfest |
| 16:37.27 | levi | Heh, cool, some dude in Japan wrote a Ruby interpreter in Haskell. |
| 16:50.18 | hagna | [-]: are you the artist formerly known as windows95? |
| 16:51.44 | [-] | hagna: Very good. You're the 30th person to make a variation on that joke. Congratulations on not being creative. |
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| 16:56.21 | [-] | it's your basic geek play on the 'artist formerly known as Prince', due to the fact that I've changed my nick to some meaningless symbols. |
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| 16:58.53 | xbmodder-foo | hey ya guys |
| 16:58.59 | xbmodder-foo | gooz: sup? |
| 16:59.59 | neybar_work | [-], when you have a dumb nick I think you can expect the jokes. Biting out at the joker really doesn't do any good. |
| 17:00.30 | sjansen | maquis: is probably too young to remeber the symbol formerly known as an artist |
| 17:00.34 | levi | I just read a spam email on accident. It's got a couple of paragraphs from a Harry Potter book at the bottom. Weird. |
| 17:00.37 | mrpull- | changing nicks doesn't help either |
| 17:00.41 | [-] | neybar_work: I'm glad you think my nick is dumb. But if you make jokes you should be able to take them too. |
| 17:00.56 | mrpull- | levi: it is a good way to sneak past spam filters |
| 17:01.03 | hagna | [-]: the joke was new to me just cause you've heard it 30 times |
| 17:01.04 | neybar_work | agreed |
| 17:01.16 | [-] | hagna: Hey, just commenting. |
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| 17:01.23 | xbmodder-foo | sjansen old nick better. |
| 17:01.23 | [-] | And you made the joke ten minutes before you said it again. |
| 17:01.26 | [-] | I ignored it the first time. |
| 17:01.26 | levi | mrpull-: I know /why/ they do it, but that doesn't make the experience any less weird. |
| 17:01.42 | levi | xbmodder: [-] is not sjansen |
| 17:02.03 | levi | xbmodder-foo: {-} is sjansen. |
| 17:02.18 | xbmodder-foo | ack! |
| 17:02.44 | levi | [-] is just one of those peon tie-fighters, while {-} is a nifty tie-interceptor. |
| 17:02.46 | mrpull- | levi: I get a kick out of the incoherent slop spammers put in. the better the filter, the better the spammer. |
| 17:03.07 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.24 | xbmodder-foo | levi: heh. I like {-} betta |
| 17:04.15 | Jayce^ | anybody tried using mt-daapd, specifically on ubuntu? |
| 17:04.23 | hans | how do you pronounce that? |
| 17:04.29 | levi | Jayce^: I've used daapd, but not mt-daapd. |
| 17:04.32 | xbmodder-foo | mtdaap? |
| 17:04.36 | Jayce^ | as for any others, anybody know how well it handles a large 'corpus' |
| 17:04.36 | xbmodder-foo | daab |
| 17:04.55 | Jayce^ | we used an older one, and it died because it wanted to load everything.. sucked |
| 17:04.56 | levi | Jayce^: Regular daapd takes a /long/ time to read it all in, but then it works okay. |
| 17:05.03 | xbmodder-foo | what do you think I should use for network auth? |
| 17:05.19 | levi | xbmodder-foo: A google search. |
| 17:05.38 | hans | doh. I just figured out that i _wouldn't_ have to pay corporate income tax here with an s-corp after all, which means it's more than marginally beneficial and I should have set it up from the start instead of waiting to the end of the year |
| 17:06.16 | bonez41 | what would be the best room for a foomatic/CUPS/printing issue/question? I can print locally from linux to parallel:/dev/lp0, but can't print to same printer from Win4Lin... i.e., from Windows...though Windows on this machin prints just fine across LAN to a network attached printer... |
| 17:06.22 | hans | maybe the savings will buy me an iriver for christmas. ;-) |
| 17:09.12 | Bradipo | Here's an interesting google map hack: http://grad.icmc.usp.br/~cipriani/bighole.php?lang=en |
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| 17:12.39 | levi | Bradipo: Nifty. |
| 17:12.59 | levi | If you dug from Hawaii, you'd get to southern Africa. |
| 17:13.46 | Bradipo | At least you don't end up in the water... |
| 17:13.55 | graphyx | hans: We are holding onto an analog line for the fax. But if we could set it up such that received faxes would be sent to an email address that would be great. Also the reverse would be nice. an email address that sends out a fax. But this isn't a pressing change, but if it were simple to do that would be nice too... |
| 17:14.40 | levi | Bradipo: I was specifically trying to find a place in the States you could dig and not end up in the water, and that was the first I ran across. |
| 17:14.47 | Bradipo | Ahh. |
| 17:14.57 | Bradipo | My first try put me in the middle of the ocean. |
| 17:15.02 | levi | Mine too. |
| 17:15.28 | graphyx | every time I have dug the the center of the earth my shovel has ended up useless. |
| 17:16.05 | graphyx | I guess I will have to invest in one of those carbon fiber diamond steel composite shovels next time. |
| 17:19.18 | maquis | i think all of the mainland US would end up in the middle of the Indian ocea |
| 17:19.48 | tensai | alaska too |
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| 17:21.40 | maquis | yeah |
| 17:22.01 | maquis | so, ignoring any miniscule islands in the middle of the indian ocean, you'd have to go from hawaii |
| 17:22.32 | levi | I was disappointed to find that you don't really end up in China or Australia. ;) |
| 17:22.47 | graphyx | so we would need to get a map of the earth and have a program identify all the points on the globe that are covered by land at both ends. |
| 17:22.51 | maquis | yeah... florida gets pretty close to australia |
| 17:23.42 | maquis | graphyx: or you could take down this person's server with a brute-force search... |
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| 18:48.28 | hans | graphyx: in that situation, just use hylafax |
| 18:48.57 | hans | depending on the topology you're doing you might need to route the call through asterisk, but hylafax and a faxmodem would do that nicely |
| 18:49.22 | hans | that's what we do at wencor, we have a pool of modems sending outgoing faxes, and a pool receiving faxes |
| 18:49.38 | hans | some go to email, some print on printers throughout the building |
| 18:50.00 | hans | and hylafax makes it easy to send faxes from email or a software app |
| 18:54.33 | maquis | is there any character that /dev/urandom can't give? |
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| 18:55.59 | bonez41 | hans: where would YOU turn to find an apache guru, if you were stumped with an apache problem? |
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| 18:59.35 | sjansen | heh, power outage |
| 19:01.16 | Tene | bonez41: hypothetical, or do you have a problem? |
| 19:01.38 | sjansen | sounds like construction guys were yanking on cables they shouldn't have been |
| 19:01.46 | sjansen | wonder how long our wifi ups will last |
| 19:01.53 | maquis | sjansen: where? |
| 19:02.03 | sjansen | guru labs headquarters |
| 19:02.19 | maquis | ah.. .right.. you're home |
| 19:02.23 | maquis | that's not nice |
| 19:02.44 | hans | google, here, plug, in that orde |
| 19:02.46 | hans | r |
| 19:02.48 | maquis | back at clinitech, we threw a fit when some construction workers knocked out our power 4 times in a week |
| 19:02.51 | hans | then back to google. :) |
| 19:02.53 | sjansen | the UPSs in this room are rather upset |
| 19:03.02 | maquis | the doctors were a bit more upset than we were |
| 19:03.41 | bonez41 | Tene, well, I have apache 2 installed..and if i load http://fyrenice.com/ I get the apache 2 test page...... |
| 19:04.06 | hans | so you need to set documentroot, or put your stuff in documentroot |
| 19:04.33 | bonez41 | Tene, but, if it is entered instead as http://www.fyrenice.com/ the test page loads, but the links on it..including the documentation link ... fails..but if the www. is removed....it loads fine.... |
| 19:05.50 | bonez41 | Tene, I am just trying to figure out how apache works, how it looks to find the web apps it will run or load.....moreover, I am trying to get Mailman working...without the cgi-bin/ statement ... I know my httpd.conf file must be at fault, but I cant' figure out how to fix the error....perhaps it's at the ScriptAlias portion.... |
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| 19:16.41 | sjansen | heh, some circuits are half-working, most aren't |
| 19:17.02 | sjansen | whatever they did, they really did a number on this building |
| 19:18.02 | hans | ~nslookup fyrenice.com |
| 19:18.07 | hans | ~nslookup www.fyrenice.com |
| 19:18.32 | hans | so they're the same box, what you need is to look at maybe you've got virtualhost set up or something |
| 19:18.49 | hans | e.g. maybe fyrenice.com and www.fyrenice.com are different virtualhosts |
| 19:21.53 | bonez41 | I haven't intentionally set up virtual hosts..... |
| 19:22.26 | bonez41 | I know that when I was able to remotely, not locally, access web apps running on this box...it was at http://fyrenice.com and never with http://www.fyrenice.com |
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| 19:23.00 | maquis | sjansen: what do they want your laptop for? |
| 19:23.16 | Tene | because power is out in the building. |
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| 19:24.43 | sjansen | my laptop has power and wifi |
| 19:24.52 | sjansen | the sales guys have dead desktops |
| 19:24.56 | maquis | oh... |
| 19:24.58 | maquis | sales guys |
| 19:25.05 | maquis | i still don't know why they'd go for yours before evan's, thogh |
| 19:25.10 | sjansen | emcnabb is teaching a class and all of his machines are dead too |
| 19:25.21 | maquis | his laptop? |
| 19:25.34 | sjansen | instructor and student desktop machines |
| 19:25.44 | maquis | ah |
| 19:25.59 | maquis | that makes for a fun class, i'm sure |
| 19:26.10 | sjansen | besides, you're just infected with the thinkpad virus |
| 19:26.27 | sjansen | I have the most beautifulest screen in the office. |
| 19:26.56 | sjansen | and I don't have the annoying nib thing |
| 19:26.58 | bonez41 | as a test, I opened http://www.fyrenice.com and ~/fyrenice.com/ both from a networked windows machine...it won't open the documentation page/link with either reference..... |
| 19:27.08 | bonez41 | not sure how it works from outside the LAN here.... |
| 19:27.11 | maquis | sjansen: you don't like the little pointer? |
| 19:27.33 | sjansen | we hates it we does, precious |
| 19:27.44 | bonez41 | I have sql-ledger installed on this machine too.....and what's funny is the sql-ledger logo shows up on the URL line, when http://fyrenice.com is opened... |
| 19:27.44 | maquis | that's too bad... |
| 19:35.21 | maquis | sjansen: you there? |
| 19:36.00 | maquis | errr... |
| 19:36.01 | maquis | nm |
| 19:36.03 | maquis | i found it |
| 19:37.30 | harleypig | ARGHH ... anyone familiar with Text::CSV_XS? |
| 19:40.42 | scott | anyone know how https works? is it a module in apache or a different server? |
| 19:40.53 | harleypig | It's a module in apache. |
| 19:41.06 | harleypig | which version? |
| 19:41.09 | graphyx | scott: It is a module. |
| 19:41.25 | scott | how do I check if the module is loaded? for some reason my https links stopped working |
| 19:41.28 | scott | but http ones work fine |
| 19:41.44 | harleypig | tail your error log and go to a https site. |
| 19:42.15 | harleypig | If you get no response at all you'll need to check your config, if you get errors you can focus your search a little better. |
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| 19:43.04 | harleypig | One thing you can do is enable the mod_info and mod_status modules. |
| 19:43.21 | harleypig | Then you can go to /server-info and /server-status and see. |
| 19:46.32 | findlay | If all I need is to send and recieve mail on one address for one user, what is the minimum setup required? |
| 19:46.40 | harleypig | ouch. Somebody in idlerpg will be moving to level 60 in 47 days. |
| 19:48.20 | findlay | there seems to be a variety of mail programs and it's hard to tell which are sendmail replacements and which perform unique functions |
| 19:50.12 | maquis | findlay: i agree |
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| 20:01.11 | maquis | @#$% |
| 20:01.40 | Jayce^ | TimRiker, we missed you last night, the presentation was just the kind of thing we'd expect you for |
| 20:04.08 | maquis | everything except the first 17 bytes is decrypting fine |
| 20:04.35 | harleypig | maquis: Just fake it. What does 17 bytes matter? |
| 20:04.47 | maquis | harleypig: haha |
| 20:04.57 | maquis | actually, in this case, it makes it pretty funny |
| 20:05.07 | harleypig | ? |
| 20:05.35 | maquis | the first sentence comes out of the decryption as: |
| 20:05.37 | maquis | ë |
| 20:05.37 | maquis | N |
| 20:05.39 | maquis | qDc¿mA»ôàn is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible. |
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| 20:08.52 | harleypig | The DCMA is scripture! I wouldn't call that funny! ... DESTROY THE DATA! DESTROY THE CODE! The RIAA might get wind of it! |
| 20:09.13 | maquis | ~lart harleypig |
| 20:11.57 | harleypig | ummm ... I won't follow through with *that* mental image. |
| 20:13.30 | levi | maquis: Heh. 3 guesses what the still-encrypted part is! ;) |
| 20:13.48 | maquis | levi: no kidding :) |
| 20:14.05 | harleypig | Qu'ran ... hmmm ... not enough bytes. |
| 20:14.11 | levi | Only at BYU... |
| 20:14.21 | harleypig | The Book of the Dead? |
| 20:14.41 | harleypig | Satanic Bible? |
| 20:15.21 | maquis | levi: do you remember the checkbox? |
| 20:15.24 | maquis | on the student ratings? |
| 20:15.30 | levi | maquis: Yup. |
| 20:15.53 | maquis | cs profs do some funny things for that checkmark |
| 20:32.10 | maquis | sjansen: do you have power yet? |
| 20:34.54 | sjansen | nope, power company says about four hours |
| 20:36.16 | sjansen | heh |
| 20:36.19 | sjansen | power! |
| 20:36.50 | maquis | wow... |
| 20:36.58 | maquis | so... the sales guys can probably just go home.... |
| 20:37.09 | sjansen | half an hour after I buy a flash light, ten minutes after our students leave, 30 seconds after I tell #utah |
| 20:37.23 | maquis | oh... it just came back? |
| 20:37.27 | maquis | haha |
| 20:37.31 | sjansen | guess murphy was just waiting for me to dig myself in as deep as possible |
| 20:39.47 | sjansen | oh, it gets better, a minute before power came back, one of the other guys sshed into the servers and did a powerdown |
| 20:42.29 | maquis | sjansen: nice |
| 20:47.40 | maquis | sjansen: is emcnabb still around? |
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| 21:20.32 | hans | ~lart people that touch screens |
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| 21:25.54 | mrpull- | hans: I had to bite my tongue when my wife touched my 2005FPW last night |
| 21:26.53 | hans | this monitor has no less than 200 greasy finger marks on it |
| 21:29.38 | maquis | hans: get the fingerprints from the monitor, and ues them to track down the culprits |
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| 21:30.02 | hans | experience says the culprits are 75% of the students |
| 21:30.12 | maquis | hans: true... |
| 21:30.15 | hans | i'd have to go on a spree |
| 21:30.23 | maquis | well.. not really |
| 21:30.29 | maquis | the ones you can find, deal with... |
| 21:30.37 | maquis | the rest, leave at the crime scenes... |
| 21:33.26 | Bradipo | I'm impressed that I am not the only one running djbdns (re recent posts on plug). |
| 21:44.26 | sjansen | goozbach: you there? |
| 21:48.57 | [-] | Bradipo: djbdns is win |
| 21:50.00 | Bradipo | [-]: Do you mean ``is a win'' or win some acronym? |
| 21:50.32 | [-] | Bradipo: *sigh* nevermind |
| 21:50.51 | sjansen | I think he was going to say "wonderful", they his dns server got hacked and he was forced offline. |
| 21:51.02 | sjansen | Oh... too slow. Never mind. |
| 21:51.17 | [-] | typing with your nose again? |
| 21:51.33 | sjansen | don't I wish |
| 21:51.55 | Bradipo | [-]: Did I miss something? |
| 21:52.58 | [-] | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=win |
| 21:53.04 | Bradipo | Ahh, according to acronymfinder, WIN is what I need. So djbdns is something you need.... |
| 21:53.22 | Bradipo | I see. |
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| 21:55.13 | [-] | Very good. Thanks for turning a simple agreement into a prolonged moment of agony that I will regret for the rest of my life. |
| 21:57.58 | Bradipo | [-]: My bad, I guess I need to study my ebonics more diligently. |
| 21:58.29 | [-] | It's not ebonics. Nice try though. |
| 21:59.07 | Bradipo | Might as well be. |
| 21:59.12 | Bradipo | It isn't English. |
| 21:59.18 | sjansen | Whoops. Someone's Utah red neck is showing. |
| 22:00.53 | [-] | Bradipo: Again, thanks. I'm glad you have nothing better to do than take an agreement and turn it into a deathmatch. Go you. |
| 22:00.58 | Bradipo | lol |
| 22:01.02 | [-] | here's a cookie. |
| 22:01.14 | Bradipo | Right: ``Thanks for turning a simple agreement into a prolonged moment of agony that I will regret for the rest of my life.'' |
| 22:01.43 | [-] | ok, ok, I'll totally feed into it. |
| 22:01.49 | [-] | djbdns sucks!1! |
| 22:01.51 | [-] | ok, your turn. |
| 22:01.55 | [-] | hurry, this is 'speed flaming'. |
| 22:02.15 | Bradipo | What can anyone say to that? |
| 22:02.28 | [-] | Exactly. |
| 22:02.57 | Bradipo | My point wasn't about djbdns, it was that you said ``djbdns is win'' |
| 22:03.08 | Bradipo | I didn't understand what you meant by ``djbdns is win'' so I asked for clarification. |
| 22:03.27 | [-] | and I knew exactly where you were going with it, and that's why I sighed and said nevermind. |
| 22:03.32 | [-] | because I knew it'd turn into this. |
| 22:03.36 | [-] | I must be psychic!!1 |
| 22:03.40 | Bradipo | Oh, and where was I going with it? |
| 22:03.51 | [-] | heh |
| 22:03.52 | [-] | *sigh* |
| 22:03.53 | [-] | nevermind |
| 22:03.58 | [-] | drop it |
| 22:04.28 | [-] | sjansen: a good friend died in iraq two years ago this day, actually. |
| 22:04.37 | [-] | I've been pretty depressed all week. |
| 22:04.40 | [-] | thus the nick change. |
| 22:05.40 | [-] | thankfully, I have some good friends who've been excellent support. |
| 22:06.08 | Bradipo | And I knew it wasn't ebonics, it was a sarcastic remark, which apparently you didn't catch. So, pardon my intrigue... |
| 22:06.08 | sjansen | s/interesting/bad/ ; sorry to hear about your friend |
| 22:06.19 | dataw0lf | sjansen: appreciate it. |
| 22:07.41 | tensai | how do I reinstall an RPM? do I have to uninstall and install? |
| 22:08.10 | Bradipo | Basically. |
| 22:08.17 | tensai | ~lart rpm |
| 22:08.20 | Bradipo | But if it is already installed, why reinstall it? |
| 22:08.28 | tensai | it's b0rked |
| 22:08.39 | tensai | either got messed up or not fully installed |
| 22:08.49 | Bradipo | You could use rpm -V to verify its contents. |
| 22:08.58 | Bradipo | That would tell you what files are borked in it. |
| 22:09.29 | sjansen | assuming your database is good ; wht makes you think it's messed up? |
| 22:09.33 | tensai | k. it tells me that it's not actually installed. |
| 22:09.46 | tensai | "Perhaps the DBD::mysql perl module hasn't been fully installed," |
| 22:09.54 | sjansen | have you tried to rebuild the db? |
| 22:09.59 | tensai | guess it must have been done by hand |
| 22:10.50 | tensai | nope. I don't see it installed anywhere. so, I guess the real problem is why won't this RPM install? |
| 22:10.57 | tensai | it just dumps me back to a prompt |
| 22:11.16 | Bradipo | No errors? |
| 22:11.37 | sjansen | rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db* ; rpm -vv --rebuilddb |
| 22:11.38 | tensai | nothing. exit code is 1 |
| 22:12.04 | sjansen | the most common problem with rpm is for the indexes to get corrupted, rebuilddb doesn't really rebuild the db, just the indexes |
| 22:12.48 | sjansen | the only time I've seen rpm get truly hosed was when I ran out of disk space during a massive upgrade ; large chunks of the database just disappeared |
| 22:12.51 | Bradipo | Sounds a lot like the mess Windows got into with the registry. |
| 22:12.54 | sjansen | recovering from that was a real pain |
| 22:13.11 | tensai | redownloaded the RPM and now it works. the new one is 8 bytes bigger. I didn't download the first one, just found it on the box. That's why I assumed it was already installed. |
| 22:13.15 | Bradipo | Oh man, yeah, running out of space with RPM is a big problem. |
| 22:14.38 | tensai | ~cpr |
| 22:14.40 | sjansen | I don't think Ubuntu Breezy is quite stable yet... |
| 22:15.24 | Bradipo | So, now its our fault that users do stupid things... http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/15/2024237 |
| 22:15.53 | jsmith | Bradipo: Exactly. |
| 22:15.54 | Bradipo | How about all the hardware that companies have to go through because their NON IT employees abuse the systems, literally. |
| 22:16.20 | jsmith | That's our fault too. |
| 22:16.33 | jsmith | In short, we're the scapegoats, and always will be. |
| 22:16.38 | Bradipo | I digress. I guess I'll just have to submit to the man. |
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| 22:21.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Any vim smarties here? |
| 22:24.07 | Lone_Wanderer | ~seen hans |
| 22:24.10 | ibot | hans is currently on #utah (8h 35m 27s). Has said a total of 60 messages. Is idling for 53m 55s |
| 22:24.30 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: What's your question? |
| 22:24.45 | Lone_Wanderer | just want to know how to copy a word, and paste it, using the keyboard |
| 22:26.14 | Lone_Wanderer | prefferably without being referred to the tutorial |
| 22:26.18 | dataw0lf | use visual mode (v/V) or y and then a p |
| 22:26.18 | tensai | Lone_Wanderer: 'yw' to copy a word, ]p or [p to paste |
| 22:26.32 | tensai | or just 'p', actually |
| 22:27.19 | Lone_Wanderer | beautiful! |
| 22:28.27 | Lone_Wanderer | thank you so much |
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| 23:06.33 | TimRiker | Jayce^: http://rikers.org/gallery/20050909abigail been kinda busy lately. |
| 23:07.32 | Jayce^ | gratz |
| 23:07.50 | Jayce^ | hadn't heard |
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| 23:09.30 | Bradipo | Contrats. |
| 23:26.21 | bonez41 | anyone know the command for lp/lpr to tell the printer to print to US LETTER size? my printer thinks i am sending A4 jobs to it.... |
| 23:28.04 | Bradipo | -tletter maybe? |
| 23:28.44 | Bradipo | That's more likely an option for some of the postscript utilities. |
| 23:30.34 | bonez41 | Bradipo, I'll try it..I am checking google to find a list of available options... |
| 23:30.40 | bonez41 | not much out there yet, that I can see |
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| 23:32.09 | bonez41 | Bradipo, I tried that, with -tletter...the printer got the job, but then the display says LC LOAD A4... somehow, lp/lpr is telling the printer that all jobs are A4 sized.... |
| 23:33.23 | Bradipo | Well, at least the lpr I use doesn't use -t... |
| 23:33.36 | Bradipo | That must be a flag for another program I use (like pstops or something). |