| 00:00.09 | xbmodder_lappy | *cough* maquis *cough* *cough* *cough* *cough* *cough* *cough* *cough* *cough* |
| 00:00.37 | findlay | ~give xbmodder_lappy a cough drop |
| 00:00.53 | xbmodder_lappy | thanks,,,] |
| 00:02.05 | goozbach | xbmodder_lappy: no more broken fouled up bots? |
| 00:02.44 | xbmodder_lappy | for the past month or so -- no... |
| 00:02.56 | goozbach | in the future...? |
| 00:03.09 | goozbach | I'm looking for a commitment from you. |
| 00:03.35 | xbmodder_lappy | ok no more "broken fouled up bots" |
| 00:03.48 | goozbach | alright |
| 00:04.03 | vontrapp | odd, ruby doesn't see the EOF of an empty file until it tries to read a byte then it throws an EOF exception |
| 00:04.54 | goozbach | xbmodder_lappy: give me a sec |
| 00:05.03 | xbmodder_lappy | ok |
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| 00:05.15 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, why didn't you do this like a month ago? |
| 00:07.28 | *** mode/#utah [+o goozbach] by ChanServ |
| 00:09.34 | goozbach | I can't find the banmask |
| 00:09.53 | goozbach | hmm |
| 00:12.45 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 00:12.50 | goozbach | sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net -- this you? |
| 00:12.57 | xbmodder_lappy | how'd you guess? |
| 00:13.00 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah... |
| 00:13.07 | goozbach | ok |
| 00:13.22 | xbmodder_lappy | why'd bucky get banned? |
| 00:13.26 | *** mode/#utah [-b *!*i=nobody@*.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by goozbach |
| 00:13.43 | goozbach | that's still able to be replaced ;) |
| 00:14.15 | goozbach | does that banlist show up for everybody? |
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| 00:16.11 | drock | guess not |
| 00:18.48 | *** mode/#utah [-o goozbach] by goozbach |
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| 00:29.05 | hans | goozbach: ya |
| 00:29.17 | hans | well, that mode change does, anyway |
| 00:30.35 | hans | goozbach: anyone can see the list. at least, I can and I'm not opped. I just type /ban |
| 00:32.35 | xbmodder_lappy | isn't bash object oriented? |
| 00:33.38 | xbmodder_lappy | cool... |
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| 00:48.38 | xbmodder_lappy | are you too sexy for my boobies? |
| 00:49.27 | xbmodder_lappy | oh frick.. wrong room |
| 00:49.36 | xbmodder_lappy | Oh crud crud crud |
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| 00:55.31 | goozbach | dood!!!! |
| 00:56.29 | *** mode/#utah [+o goozbach] by ChanServ |
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| 01:10.09 | xbmodder_lappy | i am really bad at IRC |
| 01:10.10 | xbmodder_lappy | :( |
| 01:10.55 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: be glad i wasn't looking when you said that... |
| 01:10.55 | maquis | we'll take this as a warning |
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| 01:11.57 | xbmodder_lappy | how'd you and goozbach become +O |
| 01:12.09 | maquis | very carefully |
| 01:12.15 | xbmodder_lappy | umm... |
| 01:12.29 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah exactly who did you tell and ask |
| 01:15.16 | {-} | maquis ping flooded TimRiker causing him to go offline, she then assumed his nick and granted herself op |
| 01:16.00 | {-} | generally, though, it is safer to wait for netsplit and pounce when the opportunity arises |
| 01:17.05 | {-} | xbmodder_lappy: btw, I'm pulling your leg |
| 01:17.44 | {-} | the attacks I just described are ancient news, most IRC servers have been redesigned to prevent them from working |
| 01:18.13 | goozbach | this one especially |
| 01:18.53 | xbmodder_lappy | thats a good idea... |
| 01:19.28 | xbmodder_lappy | freenode -- not a good network always |
| 01:21.13 | {-} | I've never tried the ping flood. But I did try the netsplit trick and sure enough I got kicked. |
| 01:23.04 | xbmodder_lappy | heheh |
| 01:24.18 | xbmodder_lappy | i've done that too |
| 01:24.41 | xbmodder_lappy | cept in that case the guy was stupid enough to use one of my scripts -- which crashed his computer :-/ |
| 01:27.47 | asl_14 | err |
| 01:27.56 | asl_14\m\ca | ok |
| 01:27.57 | asl_14\m\ca | ... |
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| 02:22.55 | hans | ok, now the rest of the world has caught up with how geeky I was at age 12 |
| 02:22.55 | hans | http://lds.org/hf/fhe/planner/0,16809,4234-1,00.html |
| 02:22.55 | hans | I did that at age 12. It was in basic. |
| 02:28.13 | goozbach | WHY WHY WHY? |
| 02:29.00 | hans | goozbach: you know the urge to write a program |
| 02:29.03 | hans | any program |
| 02:29.18 | hans | I picked that. we used it for maybe 3 weeks |
| 02:29.24 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 02:29.25 | xbmodder_lappy | nice |
| 02:29.28 | goozbach | I wasn't talkinga bout that |
| 02:29.45 | hans | oh, well it made lappy laugh |
| 02:29.57 | goozbach | I was talking about the fact I won't be able to go out next week... |
| 02:30.08 | hans | send a dummy |
| 02:30.12 | hans | that looks like you |
| 02:30.32 | hans | tell him to rant on sco all week and make them read man pages |
| 02:31.34 | goozbach | heh |
| 02:33.57 | xbmodder_lappy | what do you guys call your computers? |
| 02:34.04 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, goomobile? |
| 02:36.09 | goozbach | zonoma |
| 02:36.16 | goozbach | zonoma.friocorte.com |
| 02:41.11 | maquis | are there directions to the plug meeting anywhere? |
| 02:41.27 | maquis | preferably set up for someone with no sense of direction.... |
| 02:42.46 | xbmodder_lappy | to the googleplex? |
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| 02:45.01 | maquis | goozbach: how? |
| 02:45.02 | xbmodder_lappy | on what? |
| 02:45.02 | hans | on a double? |
| 02:45.08 | maquis | hopefully not with a match |
| 02:45.13 | maquis | because that'd be a terrible waste |
| 02:45.24 | goozbach | the price of the concert tickets |
| 02:45.36 | maquis | goozbach: you'd already bought them? |
| 02:45.41 | maquis | that sucks... |
| 02:45.43 | goozbach | yeah |
| 02:45.45 | maquis | can you sell them off? |
| 02:45.50 | xbmodder_lappy | which ones? |
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| 02:46.15 | xbmodder_lappy | how was your fathers birthday goozbach ? |
| 02:46.30 | goozbach | his fathers day gift? |
| 02:46.42 | goozbach | the atlanta trip? |
| 02:48.12 | xbmodder_lappy | the one that you spent money on for baseball tickets. |
| 02:48.36 | goozbach | it was fun |
| 02:52.39 | xbmodder_lappy | good. |
| 02:52.52 | xbmodder_lappy | what concert? |
| 02:54.00 | goozbach | Green Day |
| 02:54.18 | xbmodder_lappy | awesome... |
| 02:54.37 | xbmodder_lappy | greenday were the people who did american idiot right? |
| 02:54.47 | goozbach | no, not awesome, cause I can't go!!! |
| 02:54.52 | goozbach | *sobs* |
| 02:55.25 | maquis | ~console goozbach |
| 02:55.33 | ibot | ACTION gives goozbach the consolation moose |
| 02:55.46 | xbmodder_lappy | why not? |
| 02:56.38 | goozbach | I got sent on a trip next week |
| 02:56.52 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, i'll take'em? |
| 02:57.24 | goozbach | I already gave them to the girl I was gonna take |
| 02:57.37 | goozbach | maquis: I'll start a server |
| 02:57.45 | maquis | goozbach: yay! |
| 03:02.14 | scott | anyone with OO.o that can convert a .sxw to .doc for me? |
| 03:05.03 | xbmodder_lappy | scott, sure? |
| 03:05.15 | xbmodder_lappy | scott, email address: xbmodder+scott@gmail.com |
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| 03:16.16 | findlay | ~lart maquis |
| 03:16.27 | maquis | ~lart findlay |
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| 03:16.38 | maquis | hehe |
| 03:16.44 | maquis | tensai: hi |
| 03:16.58 | findlay | ~steal maquis' hehe |
| 03:17.03 | tensai | maquis: burp |
| 03:17.08 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 03:17.20 | maquis | tensai: what'd you have for dinner? |
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| 03:17.57 | tensai | grilled burger and potato salad |
| 03:18.09 | tensai | markl_ must be a vegetarian |
| 03:18.27 | findlay | (: |
| 03:18.53 | tensai | hans: any luck with slideshow? |
| 03:27.01 | hans | haven't tried |
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| 03:37.46 | goozbach | atlantik server installing right now |
| 03:39.07 | goozbach | and HHGG is on DVD tomorrow |
| 03:40.32 | xbmodder_lappy | scott, ? |
| 03:41.02 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, Thanks your the man |
| 03:41.10 | xbmodder_lappy | that sounded nerdy |
| 03:41.20 | xbmodder_lappy | but thanks for telling me /me has to fetch |
| 03:42.12 | hans | love that movie |
| 03:42.16 | scott | xbmodder_lappy: I messaged you. did you get it? |
| 03:43.41 | xbmodder_lappy | scott, hmm my label broke :-/ try plain xbmodder@gmail.com |
| 03:44.01 | scott | no, in IRC I messaged you |
| 03:44.21 | xbmodder_lappy | oh.. no |
| 03:44.52 | xbmodder_lappy | i don't think you have +e |
| 03:45.00 | scott | xbmodder_lappy: sent |
| 03:45.03 | scott | what's +e mean? |
| 03:45.32 | xbmodder_lappy | pdf and .doc? |
| 03:46.13 | scott | just .doc |
| 03:46.22 | xbmodder_lappy | ok |
| 03:47.40 | xbmodder_lappy | nice resume |
| 03:49.07 | scott | let's hope it does the trick :) |
| 03:50.55 | xbmodder_lappy | yes we do |
| 04:10.13 | findlay | maquis: got your mail situation resolved? |
| 04:11.25 | maquis | findlay: not yet |
| 04:11.37 | maquis | i can now telnet to port 25 and it accepts me |
| 04:11.46 | xbmodder_lappy | sweet |
| 04:11.47 | maquis | but if i start up fetchmail, it gets rejected |
| 04:11.50 | findlay | I'm glad you feel accepted |
| 04:12.02 | tensai | hans: new versions of colorclick and slideshow with a secret escape sequence |
| 04:13.11 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
| 04:13.31 | tensai | maquis: what did you break this time? |
| 04:13.35 | goozbach | GAAA!!! no monopod server |
| 04:13.56 | maquis | that sounds like fun |
| 04:14.05 | maquis | although... it might not work as nicely in pod-racer |
| 04:14.48 | maquis | ~locate libmath++ |
| 04:14.56 | maquis | ~find libmath++ |
| 04:15.25 | xbmodder_lappy | why isn't ibot opped? |
| 04:15.30 | xbmodder_lappy | ~ibot |
| 04:15.35 | ibot | [ibot] a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 04:15.50 | scott | how do you finish a cover letter? Regards/Sincerely/? |
| 04:16.23 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: because i stol his op |
| 04:17.28 | tensai | scott: Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink. |
| 04:18.21 | maquis | scott: a hundred-dollar bill? |
| 04:18.56 | maquis | findlay: any ideas? |
| 04:20.06 | tensai | scott: seriously, I'd probably just go with "Thank you" |
| 04:20.37 | maquis | or sincerely |
| 04:21.37 | tensai | as long as it's not "BITE ME!", I'm sure the reader won't notice |
| 04:21.55 | tensai | they'll have so many cover letters to read, they can't read between the lines like that |
| 04:23.02 | tensai | maquis: so I was volunteering to help you. am I chopped liver? |
| 04:23.12 | maquis | tensai: sorry... didn't seeee that |
| 04:23.17 | maquis | ummm |
| 04:23.31 | tensai | maquis: admittedly it's hard with all the sarcasm |
| 04:23.40 | maquis | i can't get fetchmail/postfix/procmail/mutt to play nice with each other :( |
| 04:24.11 | maquis | it |
| 04:24.19 | maquis | isn't as much an issue of breaking something |
| 04:24.29 | maquis | it's more of a failure to get something set up for the first time |
| 04:24.44 | tensai | fetchmail reading from an external mail host, sending to a local postfix, which delivers through procmail and you read via mutt? |
| 04:25.15 | maquis | tensai: that's the idea |
| 04:25.44 | maquis | i've been going off http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/postfix_tutorial.html |
| 04:27.08 | tensai | which parts are working? |
| 04:27.25 | tensai | ibot: take your sweet time there |
| 04:27.45 | maquis | tensai: i can telnet into port 25 on my machine... |
| 04:27.51 | maquis | and it replies to HELO |
| 04:27.58 | tensai | does it deliver mail? |
| 04:28.00 | maquis | (that's as of about 10 minutes ago) |
| 04:28.15 | maquis | when fetchmail tries to connect, it gets a connection refused |
| 04:28.22 | maquis | Sep 12 22:11:26 localhost postfix/smtpd[24380]: warning: connect #1 to subsystem private/rewrite: Connection refused |
| 04:28.25 | maquis | Sep 12 22:11:36 localhost postfix/smtpd[24380]: warning: connect #2 to subsystem private/rewrite: Connection refused |
| 04:28.58 | tensai | can you deliver mail through telnet? |
| 04:29.26 | tensai | helo maquis |
| 04:29.28 | tensai | mail from:<> |
| 04:29.34 | tensai | rcpt to:<maquis@her.box> |
| 04:29.37 | tensai | data |
| 04:29.45 | tensai | <simple message here> |
| 04:29.48 | tensai | . |
| 04:29.49 | tensai | quit |
| 04:30.19 | maquis | it stops replying after the helo |
| 04:30.37 | tensai | anything in the logs? |
| 04:30.45 | xbmodder_lappy | whaaaaaaaaa? |
| 04:30.49 | maquis | and it starts giving the same connect #1 to subsystem.... errors (like it has above) |
| 04:31.00 | xbmodder_lappy | hmm... |
| 04:31.05 | maquis | and they keep posting til i restart postfix |
| 04:31.25 | tensai | sounds like your IP isn't allowed to send mail. I'm not really familiar with postfix. |
| 04:31.39 | maquis | my IP? |
| 04:31.44 | maquis | localhost? |
| 04:33.29 | tensai | that's my guess at this point. 127.0.0.1. |
| 04:33.31 | maquis | tensai: found this on google: |
| 04:33.48 | maquis | > Oct 27 22:18:43 160219 postfix/cleanup[32703]: warning: connect #1 to |
| 04:33.48 | maquis | > subsystem private/rewrite: Connection refused |
| 04:33.48 | maquis | Your trivial-rewrite service is not running. Check master.cf make sure it |
| 04:33.48 | maquis | is complete. Use "netstat -a" to check the list of listening UNIX domain |
| 04:33.48 | maquis | sockets, make sure each service in master.cf has a socket in either the |
| 04:33.50 | maquis | "public" or "private" subdirectory of the queue. |
| 04:34.35 | maquis | so, i tried netstat -a |
| 04:34.42 | maquis | and piped to a grep for smtp |
| 04:34.44 | tensai | I just found that email |
| 04:34.45 | maquis | and i got: |
| 04:34.51 | maquis | [osiris bio] netstat -a | grep smtp |
| 04:34.52 | maquis | tcp 0 0 *:smtp *:* LISTEN |
| 04:35.50 | tensai | can you send me your config file? |
| 04:35.55 | maquis | which one? |
| 04:36.00 | tensai | postfix |
| 04:36.07 | maquis | main.cf and master.cf? |
| 04:36.09 | maquis | will do |
| 04:36.16 | tensai | as if I know the difference :) |
| 04:36.52 | maquis | address? |
| 04:38.03 | tensai | I should log into my email I guess |
| 04:39.58 | maquis | :) |
| 04:46.44 | Supaplex | you're going to drop a log in your email?! |
| 05:39.38 | findlay | Destroy! Danger Will Robinson! Danger!! |
| 05:44.50 | levi | It broke things! |
| 05:45.10 | levi | But I switched to non-destructive functions, and now they are fixed. |
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| 06:50.02 | maquis | *crash* |
| 06:50.11 | findlay | ~correct maquis' grammar |
| 07:27.03 | levi | Woo, my lisp blog has been successfully upgraded! http://lifeoflevi.com/blog/ |
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| 12:59.48 | graphyx | Whats up docs? |
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| 14:08.56 | hans | ~lart sjansen |
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| 14:52.35 | hans | someone makes the point: put all destructive actions behind a POST request |
| 14:53.00 | hans | I am forced to agree that it is necessary, but I hate forms and buttons |
| 14:53.02 | hans | what to do |
| 14:53.43 | {-} | suck it up and use a form |
| 14:53.49 | hans | probably |
| 14:56.57 | sjansen | Question (1) for the irssi users in the audience: What's the best way to auto-respond to nickserv? |
| 14:58.16 | byronc | sjansen: add something like this in your chatnets section: autosendcmd = "/^msg nickserv ident password; wait -freenode 2000"; |
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| 14:59.08 | sjansen | Question (2) for the irssi users+screen users in the audience: What's a good way to restart irssi+screen if it dies? |
| 14:59.19 | sjansen | automatically, of course |
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| 15:08.01 | graphyx | hans what do you mean put all destructive actions behind a post request? |
| 15:08.07 | RyanE | sjansen: which dies? irssi or screen or are you just detached? I've never had irssi+screen both die |
| 15:15.16 | RyanE | sjansen's irssi must've died. :) How ironic. |
| 15:19.48 | hans | sjansen: I've never had it die on me |
| 15:20.46 | hans | graphyx: like deleting an object or logging out or something. |
| 15:21.11 | hans | or checkout - anything that a spider shouldn't follow (or google web accelerator, etc.) |
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| 15:23.30 | levi | Morning. |
| 15:23.49 | hans | levi: the rss on your new blog looks fine. ;-) |
| 15:24.09 | levi | Heh. |
| 15:24.18 | levi | Well, now there are per-topic feeds! |
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| 15:29.51 | graphyx | hans: Gotcha. I was thinking you were trying to make a transaction secure by sending data in the post instead of get. which is a very incorrect idea. |
| 15:31.59 | hans | oh absolutely. just trying to avoid automatic destruction. :) |
| 15:34.24 | graphyx | hans: I understand now. |
| 15:34.32 | RyanE | hans: so you're trying to keep the web spiders from deleting your data automagically? |
| 15:34.40 | levi | hans: Playing with rails? |
| 15:34.42 | RyanE | via web links instead of buttons? |
| 15:34.43 | hans | yeah |
| 15:34.46 | graphyx | I personally think you should get raid! |
| 15:34.49 | hans | lam.fugal.net is in rails |
| 15:34.54 | hans | and has a bunch of music now |
| 15:34.59 | hans | not just my "music" |
| 15:35.03 | RyanE | cool. I had a web spider turning on and off my office fan. same issue. |
| 15:35.09 | hans | hehe |
| 15:35.18 | graphyx | RyanE: That is funny. |
| 15:35.19 | hans | at least it wasn't deleting your office fan |
| 15:35.29 | RyanE | I instead had the page check to see if it had a user agent I recognized. |
| 15:35.31 | graphyx | Couldn't that be taken care of with a robots.txt? |
| 15:35.40 | hans | for spiders, yes |
| 15:35.42 | hans | but not GWA |
| 15:35.45 | graphyx | GWA? |
| 15:35.50 | hans | and other accelerators |
| 15:35.57 | hans | google web accelerator |
| 15:35.58 | graphyx | RyanE: security by obscurity now? |
| 15:36.18 | RyanE | graphyx: yes, but I don't advertise that page, and I think that putting something in a robots.txt draws attention to *people* who read robots.txt... |
| 15:36.19 | hans | graphyx: pest control by obscurity |
| 15:36.34 | RyanE | graphyx: there's no security on turning on and off my house lights / fans. |
| 15:36.50 | graphyx | RyanE: it has its place of course.. but I wouldn't use that as an ACL for my bank account. |
| 15:36.56 | RyanE | I have several co-workers who know where the page is, and have done it. |
| 15:37.36 | graphyx | That reminds me of the page that allowed you to dynamically turn on and off christmas tree lights at someones house over the internet with a web cam for feedback |
| 15:37.39 | RyanE | I've considered putting security on my home automation control pages, but I don't see the point. Now, if the system could arm / disarm my security system, that'd be different. |
| 15:37.41 | byronc | hans: I believe that rails has a builtin to make a link that performs a post using javascript |
| 15:38.05 | RyanE | graphyx: one of those turned out to be a fake... :) The person had just made a cgi that would serve up different pre-shot webcam photos... |
| 15:38.09 | hans | do you know what it is? the rails book just says button_to but that's a standard form (and a block-level one at that) |
| 15:38.41 | byronc | hans: I'm not sure what it is, sorry. |
| 15:40.41 | byronc | hans: this might help: http://www.loudthinking.com/arc/000455.html |
| 15:40.45 | RyanE | hans: there was a form_to something on one of the AJAX web pages I was reading yesterday... let me see if I can find the link. |
| 15:42.27 | levi | Huh, Matz (Ruby creator) is Mormon. |
| 15:42.29 | RyanE | hans: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/06/09/rails_ajax.html had something about a link_to_remote, that I think does that... |
| 15:43.04 | RyanE | but I don't know rails or ruby, so that might not be what you were looking for. |
| 15:45.21 | hans | hmm, link_to is still a plain <a href...> tag |
| 15:45.26 | hans | I do remember seeing that post when it came out though |
| 15:46.03 | hans | levi: yup |
| 15:46.28 | hans | some rails podcast interviewed jamis a couple of days back and they talked a bit about the church |
| 15:46.44 | levi | Cool. |
| 15:47.09 | hans | (jamis is a rails developer, local that went to BYU) |
| 15:48.48 | hans | RyanE: thanks. link_to_remote looks like it might work |
| 15:48.49 | levi | Yeah, he's the guy who gave the Rails presentation for PLUG, right? |
| 15:49.00 | hans | yup |
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| 16:11.41 | *** topic/#utah by maquis -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feed | Tell your friends about the UUG Newbies meeting this Thursday night at 7:30 in 340 CTB | Get Jeff Waugh to come to utah. Send an email with name to TuxGirl@gmail.com or Stuporglue@gmail.com to sign the petition! |
| 16:12.03 | maquis | hmmm |
| 16:12.25 | *** topic/#utah by maquis -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feed | Tell your friends about the UUG Newbies meeting this Thursday night at 7:30 in 340 CTB |
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| 16:15.35 | vontrapp | ~lart hans for no reason at all |
| 16:19.32 | levi | hans: How are your classes going? |
| 16:20.09 | hans | fun |
| 16:20.26 | vontrapp | what kinda theory you learning? |
| 16:20.53 | hans | so far the theory class is mostly review - DFSA, NFSA, set theory, etc. |
| 16:21.08 | hans | but we do everything rigorously, which I suppose is a bit different from 256 |
| 16:21.36 | vontrapp | 252? did they change the numbers? |
| 16:21.57 | hans | but I get the impression that a lot of these people haven't seen automata in detail |
| 16:22.01 | hans | yeah, that one |
| 16:22.06 | levi | hans: Lots of proofs and stuff? |
| 16:22.09 | vontrapp | hmm, i guess we're really at NFSA now, not quite push down yet |
| 16:22.22 | hans | not a huge number, but a couple |
| 16:22.42 | hans | more like lots of formal definitions and descriptions |
| 16:23.13 | levi | I don't remember how rigorous or not 252 was, but the textbook we used certainly was. |
| 16:23.15 | vontrapp | inductive even, proved that 4^n = 3x + 1 |
| 16:23.39 | vontrapp | not anything new, but it was fun |
| 16:27.09 | levi | ... 4^n = 3x + 1? For every n, there is an x such that that holds? |
| 16:28.44 | vontrapp | yep |
| 16:28.58 | levi | Ahh, okay. |
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| 16:29.20 | vontrapp | anyone know of a nifty trick to get gvimdiff goodness from just a diff output? |
| 16:29.25 | levi | When I first looked at it, I thought it was 4^x = 3x + 1, which is obviously not true. |
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| 16:29.42 | levi | Well, not for all x, at least. |
| 16:30.24 | vontrapp | "What do you have on your monitor?" |
| 16:30.35 | vontrapp | "A teddy bear that my boyfriend gave me" |
| 16:33.05 | vontrapp | hey, pretty sweet, i can just give it a single file and it checks agains the repository |
| 16:36.54 | vontrapp | diffyness doesn't compare to gvimdiff though |
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| 16:42.33 | hans | the homework due today, I proved that if L1 and L2 are regular, then L1 intersect L2 is regular. |
| 16:43.12 | levi | Cool. |
| 16:43.21 | levi | I need more practice doing stuff like that. |
| 16:43.34 | levi | My OS Theory class is a total train wreck. |
| 16:44.15 | vontrapp | closed over intersect |
| 16:44.31 | levi | They pulled in a finance professor that used to write OSes for IBM in the 70s to teach it. |
| 16:44.32 | vontrapp | glad i don't have to prove that on my own |
| 16:44.59 | hans | also constructed (in general terms) M_n that accepts strings {w| |w| = 0 mod n} |
| 16:45.24 | hans | and did a bunch of "make an automata that spells levi backwards" sort of problems. |
| 16:46.42 | hans | my next os hw will be contrasting atomic instructions implementation in intel vs. sparc |
| 16:47.14 | levi | hans: My next os hw will be writing the 'cat' command. The last one was making a bunch of directories. |
| 16:47.23 | hans | hopefully we get into non-review in AI soon too. my AI homework most recent was just depth-first and breadth-first search. |
| 16:48.03 | levi | I just got past the intro to Lisp stuff in PAIP, so it's starting to talk about AI stuff. |
| 16:49.34 | levi | hans: The OS teacher has no concept of how to present the stuff that's in the slides. He'll pull one up and then go off on a long tangent about what he remembers about OSes, after complaining about how many slides there are. |
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| 16:50.28 | RyanE | levi: we had a professor like that, and we had strong suspicions that he was setup for failure on purpose. |
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| 16:50.47 | RyanE | i.e. someone wanted him to not make tenure... |
| 16:51.02 | levi | RyanE: Yeah, I think this professor feels that he was set up to take a fall on this. |
| 16:52.13 | levi | RyanE: I feel bad for the guy. I'm not too worried about the class, though, since I wasn't too interested in the curriculum prepared by the regular guy anyway. Too much emphasis on teaching the UNIX api and not enough on core OS principles. |
| 16:52.30 | levi | RyanE: And I'm already plenty familiar with the UNIX api! |
| 16:53.54 | RyanE | levi: our guy used to literally *read* the slides, and referred *all* questions to his TA. |
| 16:54.22 | RyanE | levi: and he read slower than 95% of the people in the class. :) |
| 16:54.26 | levi | Heh. |
| 16:55.21 | levi | Well, if this guy would read through the slides before class and decide what he was going to teach, and then actually do it instead of whining about how the syllabus changed and the slides changed and how there are so many of them for the first 20 minutes of class, maybe he could actually get through the material. |
| 16:57.39 | levi | Pulling a guy in from an unrelated department to teach something he hasn't done professionally in 20 years on the second day of class isn't really fair to the guy, though. Especially when he's kinda old and not very quick on his feet anymore. |
| 16:57.59 | maquis | ouch |
| 16:58.01 | RyanE | yeah, finance rotted his brain. :) |
| 16:58.30 | levi | Finance and mainframe programming. :) |
| 16:58.40 | maquis | poor guy |
| 16:59.53 | levi | Yeah, I really do feel bad for him. He's in /way/ over his head. I think he could do a little better job than he's doing with what he's got, but I can understand why he's floundering so badly. |
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| 17:03.33 | hans | ~lart amcn |
| 17:05.01 | sjansen | YAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! |
| 17:05.11 | vontrapp | ~yes sjansen |
| 17:05.28 | ibot | hmm... sjansen is one hoopey frood who really knows where his towel is |
| 17:05.29 | maquis | sjansen: ??? |
| 17:05.32 | vontrapp | was hoping that would do something interesting |
| 17:05.46 | sjansen | Just enjoying the pleasures of TeX. |
| 17:05.57 | maquis | whatcha tryin to do? |
| 17:06.09 | levi | vontrapp: I think he did initially, before he thought about it too much. |
| 17:06.14 | maquis | amcnabb: btw, we've actually gotten volunteers for the newbie meeting... |
| 17:06.18 | maquis | it was surprising |
| 17:06.23 | sjansen | The good news is I've gotten rid of all the XSLT. Now that I've switched to Ruby, fixing the latest problem is going to be possible. |
| 17:06.30 | sjansen | A real pain... but possible. |
| 17:07.09 | maquis | ~lart phinux |
| 17:12.52 | levi | maquis: Better get some, or you'll fall behind! ;) |
| 17:13.04 | maquis | levi: ketchup? |
| 17:13.15 | levi | maquis: Yeah. |
| 17:13.24 | levi | maquis: It was a bad pun joke. |
| 17:13.33 | maquis | oh... |
| 17:13.42 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:13.42 | maquis | but it really wasn't that funny |
| 17:13.57 | levi | It wasn't supposed to be. |
| 17:16.59 | maquis | :) |
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| 17:20.23 | amcnabb | maquis: ok |
| 17:20.30 | maquis | :) |
| 17:25.16 | vontrapp | in rails i get "Routing error recognition failed for '/'" |
| 17:25.23 | vontrapp | why is that? |
| 17:26.54 | levi | vontrapp: Because it hates you. |
| 17:27.15 | vontrapp | :( |
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| 17:27.33 | levi | It may also be possible that you did something wrong. ;) |
| 17:27.34 | hagna | is there a dilbert subject -> comic strip index? |
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| 17:31.57 | bonez39 | hagna, curious about your nick..it rhymes with 'magna' .. a city in Utah.... |
| 17:32.24 | sjansen | http://www.oddcast.com/sitepal2/ <-- Wow. |
| 17:33.22 | sjansen | Found out about that one from a site that actually payed for the chance to have an annoying talking head on their site. |
| 17:33.51 | levi | sjansen: Yow, no thanks, my site doesn't need a pal. |
| 17:35.24 | RyanE | my pal doesn't need a site, either. |
| 17:36.17 | graphyx | Now if the head was maxheadroom perhaps it would work better for the geeks. |
| 17:37.32 | vontrapp | GOLDFISH! increases sales by 33% |
| 17:37.36 | vontrapp | wow, i need a goldfish |
| 17:37.53 | mrpull- | think LTO3 barcodes are compatible with LTO1 robot? |
| 17:37.54 | graphyx | Vontrapp that means they went from 3 to 4 sales. |
| 17:38.56 | RyanE | yeah, and they were a *fish* store. :) |
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| 17:40.47 | graphyx | You know. |
| 17:40.54 | graphyx | The thing about fish stores is this. |
| 17:41.00 | graphyx | They make more money when you fail to keep the fish alive. |
| 17:41.26 | graphyx | so their goal is to sell you fish, not necessarily teach you have to keep them alive... |
| 17:41.34 | Tene | I need to take some updated pictures of the pond that my father has been building. |
| 17:41.36 | linuxalien | Anyone know any websites online that rent movies (streaming or downloadable) to Mac users? |
| 17:42.02 | sjansen | Oh, man, you really have to try defining a custom character! |
| 17:42.24 | levi | sjansen: I don't think I really do. |
| 17:42.40 | graphyx | If I were hanging out in an airport terminal I might try it. |
| 17:42.46 | sjansen | levi: Oh, you do. You just don't know it yet. |
| 17:43.00 | levi | I may never know. |
| 17:43.54 | graphyx | makes you wonder why they would call the place where you wait to get onto a plane "terminal".. |
| 17:44.07 | tensai | holy crap am I ever glad I have flashblock |
| 17:44.12 | graphyx | I mean do you really want to be hanging out in a place the in a synonym for "the end"? |
| 17:44.31 | graphyx | tensai: What did you realize you were missing out on? |
| 17:44.44 | amcnabb | byronc: You've said you've worked with reiser code, right? |
| 17:44.52 | Tene | Because it's the end place for flights. |
| 17:45.01 | byronc | amcnabb: yes |
| 17:45.33 | tensai | graphyx: flash is so abused it's not funny. this talking head is just a really atrocious example |
| 17:46.35 | graphyx | tensai: Are you sure that talking head was flash? I have flashblock as well and it blocked the banner above, but not the head.. |
| 17:46.49 | tensai | websites should never play sound unless explicitly requested by the user. never. |
| 17:46.56 | graphyx | I agree. |
| 17:46.59 | amcnabb | byronc: Do you have any opinions about its quality? |
| 17:47.02 | amcnabb | just curious |
| 17:47.09 | tensai | graphyx: mine worked as advertised. flashblock hid them all. |
| 17:47.23 | graphyx | perhaps it is time to check for updates.. |
| 17:48.05 | byronc | amcnabb: the reiser3 code was fairly easy to follow and well written. the addons (xattrs mostly) had some big gotchas. |
| 17:48.17 | amcnabb | How about 4? |
| 17:48.25 | byronc | amcnabb: haven't looked at reiser4 at all. |
| 17:48.52 | amcnabb | Thanks for the info. |
| 18:03.10 | tiwula | anyone know python well? |
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| 18:40.30 | xbmodder_ | hey all? |
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| 19:01.45 | levi | tiwula: How well do you need? |
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| 19:40.18 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
| 19:40.56 | hans | so for this health insurance I had to go to one of 7 orientation sessions, 6 of which were held before I got to town |
| 19:41.10 | hans | and I completely spaced the one on Saturday. I go to battle with the red tape lords. Wish me luck. |
| 19:41.36 | hans | after they get back from lunch, that is. |
| 19:44.42 | levi | hans: Whoops. Good luck! |
| 19:46.25 | levi | mheath: Do you still have that sparc box? |
| 19:52.20 | maquis | hans: good luck! |
| 20:01.36 | levi | maquis: Hey, did you want to see my implementation of sum that works on any (>1) number of arguments? |
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| 20:02.40 | maquis | levi: sure... you want to /msg it to me? |
| 20:02.49 | levi | Yup. |
| 20:27.53 | levi | Yow, this guy has been totally assimilated: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/view/967 |
| 20:28.18 | levi | Note the statement at the end of the second paragraph regarding his favorite language. |
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| 20:56.30 | hans | wow. hree students at UC-Berkley used a 10 minute recording of a keyboard to recover 96% of the characters typed during the session. |
| 20:56.34 | hans | Three, that is. |
| 20:56.54 | mrpull- | hans: that is incredible |
| 20:57.05 | hans | without a prior corpus, tuoo |
| 20:57.25 | maquis | hans: "recording"? as in keylogging? or video? or what? |
| 20:57.37 | maquis | or am i completely confused |
| 20:57.43 | maquis | ~dict prior corpus |
| 20:57.51 | maquis | ~prior corpus |
| 20:58.07 | mrpull- | i've heard of other crazy ways of snooping like measuring CRT radiation thru walls |
| 20:58.43 | hans | audio |
| 20:58.52 | maquis | hans: that's interesting |
| 20:58.56 | maquis | how'd they do it? |
| 20:59.12 | hans | with an algorithm |
| 20:59.15 | maquis | i mean... just based on the space between keystrokes? |
| 20:59.22 | maquis | or do different keys sound different? |
| 20:59.26 | hans | I assume it was a mix of timing information and maybe each key sounds a little different |
| 21:01.33 | graphyx | hans: I have heard of that before, but I think that they would have to have some type of measurement on the keybaord or that user previously. |
| 21:04.33 | maquis | that's my thought as well... |
| 21:05.01 | mrpull- | they could use code cracking techniques to help identify which keys made which sounds |
| 21:05.10 | maquis | i heard something about some password software that not only checks the password, but also the way that it's typed (as far as spacing between characters and such) |
| 21:05.22 | mrpull- | i imagine you've done puzzles that use symbols for codes |
| 21:05.25 | graphyx | That would be histograms of which keys are pressed most often during a given activity. |
| 21:05.59 | mrpull- | they probably used the sound of each key as a symbol... or maybe not... i'm not smart like that |
| 21:06.06 | graphyx | create a histogram of the key usage for a typical computer usage and then do a frequency analysis on the individual key presses and map the two together. |
| 21:06.14 | maquis | that'd be interestin |
| 21:06.33 | graphyx | and then use a little bit of brain power to manually map the things aroun.d |
| 21:07.06 | graphyx | for example if they are chatting, they you obvious would see the error in the key pattern "the". It is obvious that most people spell it "teh" |
| 21:07.09 | graphyx | ;) |
| 21:12.25 | maquis | :) |
| 21:12.36 | maquis | sad but true |
| 21:12.48 | graphyx | it's teh truth! |
| 21:15.24 | mheath | <levi> mheath: Do you still have that sparc box? Yep |
| 21:15.27 | mheath | Sure do |
| 21:15.52 | levi | mheath: What kind is it again? |
| 21:15.54 | levi | And how big? |
| 21:16.50 | levi | (physically, that is) |
| 21:16.51 | hans | graphyx: well I didnt' read the paper, but it said no corpus, vs. previously they had done it with corpus |
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| 21:17.40 | graphyx | hans: Well I did think of an approach that may be feasable, so I believe it. |
| 21:20.02 | mheath | levi, Its an Ultra Enterprise 1.... |
| 21:20.28 | mheath | levi, physical size...its the size of a desktop....don't know the exact measurements |
| 21:20.33 | mheath | I can get them if you want |
| 21:20.44 | mheath | (A horizontal desktop unit size) |
| 21:20.48 | levi | No, it's not a big deal. |
| 21:21.13 | mheath | I also have the monitor and they keyboard+mouse. |
| 21:21.26 | levi | I was considering trying to put Solaris on a Sparc box to play with the T language and maybe help out with porting it to modern systems. |
| 21:21.58 | mheath | I'll warn you, though: It's CD-ROM drive (SCSI) is broken. |
| 21:22.49 | levi | That's okay, I have a working SCSI CDROM. |
| 21:26.16 | mheath | Do you want it, then? |
| 21:26.30 | levi | Hmm. Does it take a vga monitor, or only Sun? |
| 21:26.35 | levi | I don't have room for another monitor. |
| 21:26.41 | mheath | Only sun, but you can get adapters. |
| 21:26.53 | levi | The monitor you have is sun? |
| 21:26.58 | mheath | Yes. |
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| 21:34.45 | sjansen | ~hug fontforge |
| 21:34.48 | ibot | ACTION hugs fontforge |
| 21:35.53 | hans | what is fontforge |
| 21:36.05 | levi | mheath: I'd better not. Don't have time to learn Solaris linker-fu, and I need to get rid of junk, not gather more. Sorry. |
| 21:36.44 | jsmith | sjansen: BTW, nice job on the keycaps font... |
| 21:36.59 | jsmith | sjansen: If I would have known about it a month ago, I would have used it in my book |
| 21:37.07 | sjansen | hans: a font editor, formerly known as pfaedit or something like that |
| 21:37.35 | sjansen | jsmith: congrats! |
| 21:37.46 | maquis | jsmith: cool! |
| 21:37.46 | jsmith | Thanks... |
| 21:37.58 | hans | jsmith: party! |
| 21:38.05 | hans | ~champagne jsmith |
| 21:38.22 | sjansen | ~applebeer jsmith |
| 21:38.30 | jsmith | sjansen: I do drink apple beer |
| 21:38.36 | hans | ginger beer? |
| 21:39.11 | jsmith | hans: ginger beer has a tad too much ginger for my tastes... I prefer my ginger to be pickled, sitting next to raw fish |
| 21:40.39 | Bradipo | I've always thought that pickled ginger was much stronger than any ginger drink. |
| 21:40.52 | sjansen | jsmith: good idea, I'll you^?^?^?me some on the way home tonight |
| 21:41.03 | sjansen | guarana that is |
| 21:41.07 | Bradipo | And between guarana and ginger beer, I would have to agree, guarana is better. |
| 21:41.53 | RyanE | *definitely* time to stop at the mexican market... |
| 21:42.41 | jsmith | sjansen: Yeah... thanks. |
| 21:44.45 | levi | Bradipo: You obviously haven't tried Blenheim Ginger Ale. |
| 21:45.28 | levi | Bradipo: It's far, far stronger than pickled ginger. |
| 21:45.45 | Bradipo | levi: I may not have tried it. |
| 21:45.50 | Bradipo | Where can it be purchased? |
| 21:46.05 | levi | Bradipo: I had to order it from an online store, couldn't find it locally. |
| 21:46.10 | Bradipo | I've tried quite a few, but I can't say I've had that one... |
| 21:46.37 | Bradipo | Hmm, first hit on Google: BLENHEIM GINGER ALE was featured in the August, 1985 issue of Playboy magazine |
| 21:46.57 | maquis | haha |
| 21:47.09 | levi | http://www.popsoda.com/blenginalere.html |
| 21:47.22 | levi | That's where I got mine. |
| 21:47.25 | Bradipo | Hmm, yeah I haven't seen that one before. |
| 21:47.31 | levi | It's crazy-hot. |
| 21:47.32 | Bradipo | Might have to give it a try... |
| 21:47.36 | Bradipo | Sounds like it. |
| 21:47.45 | levi | You can't inhale through your nose while you drink. |
| 21:47.55 | Bradipo | Good thing I like Dave's Insanity Sauce... |
| 21:48.07 | levi | The little bits that pop up in the fizz get in your nose and BURN LIKE HELL. |
| 21:48.30 | Bradipo | Haha. |
| 21:48.33 | Bradipo | Thanks for the warning. |
| 21:49.05 | levi | I found it's most enjoyable shared with friends in small juice glasses, or shot glasses perhaps. |
| 21:49.15 | Bradipo | http://www.popsoda.com/blenginaleno.html I guess this one isn't quite as hot... |
| 21:49.30 | levi | I haven't tried that version. |
| 21:49.31 | Bradipo | If I'm going to spend the money though, might as well get the hot one. |
| 21:49.51 | levi | If you get it, let me know how you like it. :) |
| 21:50.04 | Bradipo | Thanks for the tip. |
| 21:52.29 | Bradipo | By the way, it looks like unc.edu has a broken firewall... |
| 21:52.35 | levi | My favorite easily-obtainable ginger ale is Thomas Kemper's. |
| 21:53.05 | Bradipo | Any DNS query for ibiblio.org that has the source port as 1025 fails. |
| 21:53.17 | levi | It's got way more kick than the dry ginger ales like Schweppes and Canada Dry. |
| 21:53.30 | hans | what makes it dry or wet? |
| 21:54.32 | Bradipo | Newsome: You around? |
| 21:54.37 | mrpull- | hrrmm... the fedex guy just asked my wife if I bought an ipod |
| 21:54.47 | mrpull- | it is kinda creepy that he knew what was in the package |
| 21:54.49 | Bradipo | That's an odd question... |
| 21:55.00 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 21:55.01 | maquis | mrpull-: was it coming from apple? |
| 21:55.05 | mrpull- | on another note.... wooo hooo my nano is waiting for me at home |
| 21:55.17 | hans | you're sick |
| 21:55.27 | hans | does that mean you have a second-hand ipod to sell me? |
| 21:55.37 | mrpull- | hans: nope. sorry |
| 21:55.53 | mrpull- | i've held off waiting for my theoretical perfect ipod |
| 21:55.54 | tensai | Prohibition killed golden ginger ale. In the 1920’s Americans were visiting illegal speakeasies in droves, and the cocktail was at the height of fashion. Many soft drinks were used as a mix with alcohol, and there was even one specifically made to mix with alcohol. It was called "dry" ginger ale (colorless, almost tasteless, and less sweet than golden ginger ale). |
| 21:56.07 | mrpull- | the nano nearly fits that bill (more capacity would be nice, but I'm greedy) |
| 21:56.44 | Bradipo | tensai: Is what we currently consider ginger ale, golden ginger ale? |
| 21:57.29 | tensai | oops, forgot the link. http://hcs.harvard.edu/~dins/history/gingerale.shtml |
| 21:57.36 | tensai | Bradipo: I don't know |
| 21:58.36 | maquis | mrpull-: black? |
| 21:58.51 | levi | Canada Dry and Schweppes are dry. Vernor's is supposed to be golden, but it's not really terribly strong either. |
| 21:59.00 | mrpull- | yeah. black is a better fit for me. |
| 21:59.14 | levi | I find it's got more cream soda flavor than the others, though. |
| 21:59.27 | levi | Thomas Kemper ginger ale is definitely golden. |
| 22:00.04 | tensai | I've heard that homemade ginger ale is very rich and delicious. I plan to try. |
| 22:00.46 | maquis | ~steal mrpull-'s nano |
| 22:01.11 | mrpull- | maquis: maybe i wont use it enough to justify it... then you can have it :) |
| 22:01.25 | maquis | for free? YAY!!! |
| 22:02.14 | mrpull- | maquis: sure ;) |
| 22:02.27 | maquis | w00t! |
| 22:03.51 | maquis | the funny thing is, i could never understand why the U2 one had the red click-wheel... |
| 22:04.17 | maquis | i told my mom whenever we saw the U2 one that i thought it'd be a lot nicer if it had a black wheel |
| 22:04.23 | mrpull- | the red click wheel is a bummer |
| 22:04.32 | maquis | and now, they have a black ipod with a black wheel |
| 22:04.38 | maquis | which is inherently cool |
| 22:04.50 | mrpull- | i have heard that the click wheel on the nano is a flat black.... not glossy like the body |
| 22:05.00 | mrpull- | i'll have to see what that looks like when I open it up |
| 22:05.19 | mrpull- | i think my wife will have nano envy when she compares it to her shuffle |
| 22:05.20 | levi | tensai: I tried it, but I used a syrup/club soda method rather than the yeast brewing method. |
| 22:05.40 | maquis | mrpull-: yeah... she will |
| 22:05.46 | tensai | levi: yeah, syrup. that's what I was gonna do. |
| 22:06.00 | maquis | what are they going to do next? |
| 22:06.07 | levi | tensai: It was pretty good, but didn't have as much of a bite as I'd like, and was a little on the sweet side. |
| 22:06.25 | levi | tensai: With a bit of experimentation, I'll bet you could get some good stuff. |
| 22:06.51 | levi | I'd like a 10Gb nano. |
| 22:07.09 | mrpull- | levi: me too. flash isn't there yet :) |
| 22:08.41 | levi | tensai: I'm not sure what the best way to extract the flavor from the ginger is. I pureed it and boiled it in a little bit of water, then filtered the pulp out. |
| 22:08.48 | mrpull- | levi: the theme on your blog looks nice |
| 22:09.20 | levi | mrpull-: Thanks. |
| 22:09.45 | mrpull- | i add rss feeds of fellow pluggers as I see them |
| 22:10.02 | mrpull- | i hadn't seen your actual site for some time |
| 22:10.25 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 22:10.48 | maquis | apple hires unix people.... hmmmm... |
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| 22:11.07 | levi | maquis: I've got a friend who works there. It sounds like fun. He has a real office. |
| 22:12.05 | maquis | in a lot of ways, i really respect apple as a company... they make cool stuff |
| 22:13.47 | levi | You do get employee discounts on stuff. |
| 22:13.54 | levi | I think he got a free Shuffle when they came out. |
| 22:15.42 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 22:15.47 | maquis | definitely something to consider |
| 22:17.38 | tensai | levi: that link I had has a recipe which is quite similar to the one I heard on a podcast recently. basically like you describe. |
| 22:24.28 | mrpull- | anyone else try the firefox 1.5 beta? |
| 22:24.28 | levi | http://www.chicagoist.com/archives/2005/07/01/eating_in_making_spicy_ginger_ale_at_home.php |
| 22:26.34 | mrpull- | seems it renders a little slower |
| 22:26.49 | maquis | mrpull-: it's slower than the previous versions? :( |
| 22:26.57 | mrpull- | it is beta |
| 22:27.28 | mrpull- | maybe I should nuke my profile and reinstall it |
| 22:27.45 | mrpull- | i may have some tweak in my settings that is slowing it down |
| 22:32.04 | maquis | really stupid debian question |
| 22:32.09 | maquis | how do i install a .deb? |
| 22:32.21 | maquis | is it dpkg? |
| 22:32.33 | levi | Yup. |
| 22:36.27 | maquis | thanks |
| 22:37.04 | Supaplex | np |
| 22:46.25 | Bradipo | That's odd, I can't query against the root servers anymore... |
| 22:47.10 | Bradipo | Oops. |
| 22:47.14 | Bradipo | Never mind, operator error. :-) |
| 22:47.34 | Bradipo | Copy and paste to multiple networks doesn't help if you put the command in the wrong order. |
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| 22:53.32 | Vale | ~lart maquis |
| 22:53.46 | maquis | ~kick Vale |
| 22:53.48 | ibot | bugger off sod! |
| 22:54.04 | Vale | ~zap maquis |
| 22:54.06 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives maquis a good jolt. |
| 22:54.13 | maquis | ~lart Vale |
| 23:04.40 | maquis | Vale: have you worked on modes yet? |
| 23:06.11 | maquis | :) |
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| 23:39.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Is the set of all possible programs infinite? |
| 23:40.20 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: My guess would be yes, but I don't have a proof. :) |
| 23:40.23 | Lone_Wanderer | (not counting variations on the same program, or two programs that do the exact same thing but in a different way) |
| 23:40.41 | levi | Hmm. |
| 23:41.04 | levi | Well, consider the program that simply returns a positive integer. |
| 23:41.18 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhhh |
| 23:41.31 | levi | Unless you consider that to be one, rather than an infinite number of programs. |
| 23:41.54 | levi | But then your definition of 'program' gets murky, I think. |
| 23:41.57 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 23:42.11 | Lone_Wanderer | so, yes |
| 23:42.29 | Lone_Wanderer | unless you want to futz with the definition of a program, in which case maybe |
| 23:44.04 | levi | If you want to look at it rigorously, you might consider using the lambda calculus, since it's pretty simple to deal with and is provably equivalent to other fundamental computing models. |
| 23:44.31 | Lone_Wanderer | doing anything rigorously makes me tired |
| 23:44.40 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I'll email my mathematician friend about it |
| 23:45.14 | levi | Anyway, time for me to go home. |
| 23:45.38 | Lone_Wanderer | later |
| 23:46.32 | levi | My gut feeling is that it won't take too much to get an answer to it. |
| 23:46.45 | Lone_Wanderer | which is unfortunate |
| 23:47.04 | Lone_Wanderer | because I'd really like to have something real I could write a letter to him about |
| 23:47.27 | Lone_Wanderer | maybe I should check out the preview of Volume 4 |
| 23:51.54 | maquis | knuth? |
| 23:52.05 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 23:52.06 | maquis | ~knuth |
| 23:52.09 | ibot | i heard knuth is the guru of theoretical computer science or the father of TAOCP or the author of TeX, or a mathematical genius, talented hacker, decent musician, computer scientist, emacs user and opposed to software patents. at http://www-cs-staff.stanford.edu/~knuth/ |
| 23:52.29 | Lone_Wanderer | ~crookston |
| 23:52.35 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: that knuth? |
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| 23:52.40 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah that knuth |
| 23:52.49 | maquis | cool |
| 23:53.05 | Lone_Wanderer | does ibot just google stuff and give the response when you do that, or does someone feed it to him? |
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| 23:54.27 | Tene | ~lone_wandered |
| 23:54.40 | Lone_Wanderer | ~Lone_Wanderer |
| 23:54.41 | ibot | well, lone_wanderer is Dan Crookston |
| 23:54.50 | Lone_Wanderer | he knows my name! |
| 23:55.00 | Tene | someone told it |
| 23:55.09 | Lone_Wanderer | who, and when? *nervous* |
| 23:55.13 | Lone_Wanderer | ~Tene |
| 23:55.15 | ibot | rumour has it, tene is Tenebram, or the king of pirate, or my god, or chocolate frosted sugar bombs, or a liar, or more winningish than goozbach |