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| 00:13.11 | xbmodder_lappy | oh.. {-} is sjansen -- this makes so much more sense |
| 00:13.34 | sjansen | please to meet you |
| 00:16.57 | {-} | oh, wow |
| 00:17.18 | {-} | so I stumbled across this reality with Hulk Hogan's family |
| 00:17.28 | {-} | show even |
| 00:18.02 | {-} | so he's jealous that his 14 year old son has a girlfriend and is spending time with her instead of him |
| 00:18.30 | {-} | so he arranges for a model to hang out around him |
| 00:18.38 | {-} | partly to distract his son |
| 00:18.55 | {-} | partly to make the girlfriend jealous |
| 00:19.09 | {-} | that is so... wow |
| 00:19.30 | Specialk | simple problem, simple solution |
| 00:20.44 | {-} | setting aside the question as to whether a 14 year old should have a girlfriend |
| 00:21.43 | {-} | it boggles my mind that a parent thinks it's okay to damage the relationship |
| 00:21.54 | {-} | and then talk about it on a tv show |
| 00:23.03 | maquis | Specialk: how's aes |
| 00:23.25 | Specialk | ae- what? |
| 00:23.50 | {-} | homework |
| 00:24.25 | hans | so I stopped following the "great filesystem shootout" a long time ago, but I'm curious - is anyone tabulating the results? |
| 00:24.46 | hans | or is the winner going to magically jump out of the archives and hit everyone upside the head? |
| 00:26.44 | {-} | yes, the fact that there are entirely too many variables was easy to reconcile |
| 00:27.09 | {-} | we just declared our pre-established prejudices correct |
| 00:28.04 | hans | lol |
| 00:31.22 | maquis | is that thread still going? |
| 00:31.47 | maquis | isn't amcnabb the one responsible for that thread? |
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| 00:34.39 | {-} | now he's teaching his daughter that she can't eat cookies because they make her fat |
| 00:37.30 | Specialk | Isn't it nice that we have {-} to drain his IQ watching that garbage and giving us play by plays so we remain smarter as a group. |
| 00:38.16 | xbmodder_lappy | {-}, wierd.. |
| 00:38.25 | {-} | I can't change the channel. |
| 00:38.40 | {-} | It's like driving by a train wreck. |
| 00:38.53 | xbmodder_lappy | {-}, your wife/girlfriend/anything watching? |
| 00:39.32 | {-} | I'm on the road. |
| 00:39.38 | xbmodder_lappy | oh... |
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| 00:43.09 | {-} | smallville, I guess that's better |
| 00:43.40 | Specialk | what about Food Network? |
| 00:44.20 | maquis | ummm |
| 00:44.24 | xbmodder_lappy | Specialk, ##cooking |
| 00:44.29 | maquis | anybody here know the inverse AES Cipher very well? |
| 00:44.31 | {-} | didn't see anything good any it |
| 00:44.36 | xbmodder_lappy | thats the best replacement |
| 00:44.37 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
| 00:44.49 | maquis | mmm... |
| 00:44.50 | maquis | food |
| 00:45.04 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 00:45.27 | xbmodder_lappy | I want a cake with a 3d penguin |
| 00:47.08 | {-} | did you see the penguins from emnabb's wedding reception? |
| 00:47.23 | maquis | they looked tasty |
| 00:47.24 | xbmodder_lappy | no, you got pictures? |
| 00:49.34 | {-} | http://allrecipes.com/community/userphoto/detail.asp?id=703 |
| 00:49.57 | {-} | his wife's family made them apparently |
| 00:51.54 | xbmodder_lappy | thats sweet |
| 00:52.06 | xbmodder_lappy | thats sweet in "cool" and sweet as in "nice" |
| 01:07.42 | goozbach | I figured the the end is near when I was watching reality tv the other day |
| 01:07.54 | goozbach | it was some stupid sweet 16 thing on MTV |
| 01:08.33 | goozbach | C-lo Green's Daughter was having a sweet 16 party, and they spent GOBS on it |
| 01:09.01 | goozbach | she had the nerve to say "if you don't bring a present, you won't get in to the party" |
| 01:10.07 | xbmodder_lappy | I'd bring her a sign that says "Fsck you" |
| 01:10.26 | xbmodder_lappy | actually i'd prolly bring like a dime |
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| 01:11.04 | xbmodder_lappy | hans, mind unbanning me? |
| 01:11.34 | hans | i was getting ready to kick you, actually |
| 01:11.38 | hans | why should I unban you? |
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| 01:24.56 | {-} | goozbach: I might have seen the same thing |
| 01:25.11 | {-} | the father dropped like $40,000on his daughter's party |
| 01:25.16 | {-} | insane |
| 01:27.01 | {-} | changed the channel quickly 'cause she was extremely annoying |
| 01:38.46 | maquis | {-}: my roommates have been wathcing the tv-show nonstop |
| 01:39.15 | maquis | the part that really gets me is when the girls say something to the effect of "this is the worst day of my life" |
| 01:39.40 | maquis | or when they just get upset about stupid things like the dress not being quite the right color |
| 01:40.05 | goozbach | or not being a ble to rapell into the party from a helecophter |
| 01:40.44 | maquis | honestly, i would never want anything like that for a paty |
| 01:40.47 | maquis | too much attention |
| 01:41.39 | goozbach | BTW one of you RM BYU'ites needs to teach maquis the art of "Flirt to convert" :) |
| 01:44.11 | levi | Don't want to know what? |
| 01:49.49 | {-} | oo, tlc has something on area 51 |
| 01:49.55 | {-} | wish I'd discovered that earlier |
| 01:52.03 | levi | My goodness, they changed the look of iTunes. |
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| 02:05.06 | hans | does it do ogg yet? |
| 02:06.13 | maquis | i'm giving my inverse cipher the output to the cipher function, |
| 02:06.20 | maquis | but not getting the input to cipher out |
| 02:14.34 | synic | , |
| 02:19.18 | maquis | w00t!!!!! |
| 02:24.28 | goozbach | maquis: ya get it? |
| 02:24.41 | maquis | output from invCipher == input to cipher |
| 02:24.43 | maquis | :) |
| 02:24.49 | maquis | i have a few more things to do before passoff |
| 02:24.52 | Tene | yay! |
| 02:24.58 | maquis | but i think that the rest of it is going to be a good bit easier |
| 02:33.20 | levi | maquis: Yay! Then you can work on 330! ;) |
| 02:33.36 | levi | hans: I don't think so, but I have no oggs, so I don't mind. |
| 02:33.37 | goozbach | RANT RANT RANT!!! |
| 02:33.56 | goozbach | oh NM what i was ranting about is answered in the way I wanted... |
| 02:34.03 | goozbach | Gotta love plug |
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| 02:49.26 | Lone_Wanderer | who's Jeff Waugh? |
| 02:51.18 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: developer for ubuntu, gnome, and some other stuff, if i'm correct |
| 02:59.34 | maquis | goozbach: why weren't they? |
| 02:59.37 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.41 | maquis | ouch! |
| 02:59.54 | goozbach | all 9.2G (for a single user) |
| 03:00.05 | goozbach | time to drop the hatchet |
| 03:00.17 | goozbach | er take out the trash |
| 03:00.29 | goozbach | or clean house err /home |
| 03:00.46 | maquis | goozbach: check your mozilla cache |
| 03:02.58 | goozbach | ~lart this 60G drive and it's filling up. |
| 03:03.13 | goozbach | what I wouldn't do for another 20G |
| 03:04.07 | maquis | ok... |
| 03:04.12 | maquis | question... |
| 03:04.25 | maquis | i have a FILE*... i want to pull in a certain number of bytes from there |
| 03:04.35 | maquis | (16 to be specific) |
| 03:05.20 | xbmodder | what do you guys think is worse porn or alcohol/drugs |
| 03:07.09 | Tene | xbm: you |
| 03:08.11 | goozbach | somebody got caught looking at porn by his parents... |
| 03:08.35 | xbmodder | goozbach, not yet... |
| 03:08.39 | xbmodder | Tene, not funny... |
| 03:08.49 | goozbach | xbmodder: which is worse, a gunshot wound to the chest, or to the stomach? |
| 03:09.01 | xbmodder | mhmm.... |
| 03:09.10 | xbmodder | stomach I'd say |
| 03:09.36 | goozbach | I was trying to make a comparison that both are equally bad. |
| 03:09.49 | goozbach | I'd prefer not getting shot |
| 03:10.04 | maquis | both involve large amounts of stupidity |
| 03:10.17 | xbmodder | goozbach, me too. |
| 03:10.30 | maquis | xbmodder: then stay away from both of those things |
| 03:10.32 | xbmodder | But what I am saying are the porno kids worse or the druggys |
| 03:10.41 | xbmodder | maquis, I do... |
| 03:11.09 | goozbach | xbmodder: IMO both are a lot worse off than someone who has an addiction to neither |
| 03:11.42 | xbmodder | maquis, because the school expels the porno kids and at the most arrests the drugies |
| 03:12.09 | maquis | xbmodder: i can understand that |
| 03:12.25 | goozbach | I'd say expel both |
| 03:12.33 | maquis | personally, i think that porn creates a more hostile environment than drugs do, in certain ways |
| 03:13.17 | Tene | I don't personally have any experience with drug use. |
| 03:13.23 | Tene | Or drug culture. |
| 03:13.27 | maquis | me neither.. |
| 03:13.30 | Tene | Or anything of the sort. |
| 03:13.34 | Tene | So I can't really say. |
| 03:13.47 | maquis | but i do know that the idea of porn makes me sick |
| 03:14.35 | xbmodder | Tene, drugs create alot of problems... |
| 03:14.43 | xbmodder | leave it at that |
| 03:14.54 | Tene | I'd say that porn is a drug in some ways. |
| 03:14.55 | xbmodder | the porn guys -- creepy they are |
| 03:15.28 | Tene | I know that it's used in the same ways and for the same reasons sometimes |
| 03:17.19 | goozbach | 776M in a temp folder |
| 03:17.29 | goozbach | DELETED!!! |
| 03:17.39 | Tene | Mmm... bagels... |
| 03:18.02 | Tene | I can sure tell you that both porn and drugs are a lot worse than bagels. |
| 03:18.12 | Tene | Because bagels are good and tasty and filling. |
| 03:19.09 | xbmodder | 2.0G in /tmp |
| 03:19.41 | goozbach | xbmodder: /tmp is fine, cause it gets deleted on a regular basis |
| 03:19.47 | goozbach | (at least on my system) |
| 03:19.53 | goozbach | but this is under my homedir |
| 03:19.53 | xbmodder | goozbach, i use gentoo |
| 03:20.03 | xbmodder | ouch |
| 03:20.09 | xbmodder | goozbach, gentoo don't do taht |
| 03:20.16 | Tene | it does if you tell it to |
| 03:20.54 | xbmodder | 1.5M /tmp/ |
| 03:21.00 | xbmodder | i just told it to :) |
| 03:25.45 | mheath | I find the caching in /tmp to be one of the ugliest "features" of portage |
| 03:26.04 | mheath | A gentooite will argue that with "Oh, but theres cleanup scripts for it!" but still.... |
| 03:26.14 | mheath | It is something that you should have the power to control by configurationb |
| 03:26.16 | mheath | *configuration |
| 03:26.27 | mheath | with the default configuration being to NOT cache potentially gigabytes of material |
| 03:26.47 | mheath | oh, my mistake, /tmp isn't where the caching I'm talking about goes on |
| 03:26.57 | mheath | I'm refering to /usr/portage/distfiles or whatever |
| 03:27.39 | goozbach | just trimmed ~5G of space |
| 03:27.43 | goozbach | Go ME! |
| 03:28.22 | xbmodder | mheath, /var/tmp/portage? |
| 03:28.31 | xbmodder | mheath, /usr/portage/distfiles? |
| 03:28.48 | mheath | xbmodder, I probably meant the one *that I said*. |
| 03:29.19 | goozbach | it was simple: rm -rf /home/goozbach/porn :) |
| 03:29.29 | xbmodder | goozbach, lol. |
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| 03:30.26 | goozbach | that's the directory I do PHP or Ruby Network development in |
| 03:30.31 | goozbach | hence the name |
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| 03:37.42 | findlay | if memtest picks up random bad bits in RAM that I *know* is good, then do I have a fault on the MB or the CPU? |
| 03:38.36 | Tene | how do you know that it's good? |
| 03:38.42 | findlay | (: |
| 03:39.35 | findlay | it doesn't find the same "bad" addresses during each pass |
| 03:39.47 | Tene | spooky |
| 03:40.01 | Tene | I suspect that it's little tiny ghosts running aroud in the RAM |
| 03:40.18 | findlay | ghosts? are those like daemons? |
| 03:40.27 | findlay | maybe the hardware equivalent of daemons? |
| 03:40.51 | Tene | Think 'pac man' |
| 03:40.52 | maquis | how do i get to hex-edit mode in vim? |
| 03:42.17 | xbmodder | hah |
| 03:49.44 | hans | maquis: I don't know, I usually use xxedd |
| 03:49.46 | hans | er, xxd |
| 03:49.56 | hans | but then I don't usually edit hex, just look at it. |
| 03:50.01 | hans | which I assume is what you want to do |
| 03:51.51 | maquis | hans: yeah |
| 03:51.58 | maquis | that's what i was thinking about |
| 03:52.03 | maquis | i don't get it |
| 03:52.17 | maquis | the ciphertext that i made looks nothing like the ciphertext that's supposed to get returned |
| 03:52.20 | maquis | :( |
| 03:53.07 | hans | sounds like a bug |
| 03:53.15 | maquis | hans: no kidding |
| 03:56.20 | findlay | could be a ghost |
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| 03:56.34 | goozbach | so much for leaving by 9pm |
| 03:57.08 | Tene | s/rugs/drugs/ |
| 04:01.45 | levi | maquis: So, your algorithm is symmetric, but incorrect? |
| 04:02.15 | levi | maquis: You've checked the line endings and such on the input text, right? |
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| 04:02.38 | levi | (I had an issue with that while trying to test an encryption algorithm) |
| 04:03.21 | maquis | levi: my code works correctly for all the examples that are provided in the spec |
| 04:03.45 | maquis | but then, it doesn't work for the input file |
| 04:04.51 | levi | maquis: Weird. Did the examples and the input file get read in the same way and travel the same code path? |
| 04:05.37 | xbmodder | back |
| 04:07.00 | maquis | levi: well.. the examples weren't being read through a file |
| 04:07.06 | maquis | but other than that, yes |
| 04:07.22 | levi | maquis: Try reading them through a file, too. |
| 04:07.31 | maquis | levi: that's my next step |
| 04:07.43 | maquis | but i'm pretty sure that somehow that must be where the problem is |
| 04:08.17 | levi | Anything tacked onto the end of a file will totally screw up the ciphertext. |
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| 04:12.49 | maquis | hmmm |
| 04:14.08 | findlay | maquis tries humming? |
| 04:14.57 | RyanE | only because she doesn't know the words. |
| 04:35.24 | maquis | wait |
| 04:35.26 | maquis | that just worked |
| 04:35.30 | maquis | but... it didn't before |
| 04:36.15 | maquis | w00t! |
| 04:40.09 | levi | What worked? |
| 04:40.26 | maquis | the cipher came out with what it was supposed to |
| 04:41.50 | levi | What did you do to make it work, though? |
| 04:44.39 | maquis | w00t! |
| 04:44.43 | maquis | decrypt is working too! |
| 04:45.13 | levi | Yay! |
| 04:45.13 | Newsome | maquis: just run everything through memfrob() |
| 04:45.21 | maquis | Newsome: ??? |
| 04:46.09 | Newsome | man memfrob |
| 04:46.10 | Newsome | :) |
| 04:50.13 | maquis | the slightly confusing thing is... i didn't really change anything between when it failed miserably and when it worked |
| 04:50.38 | Tene | did you look away at any time? |
| 04:50.50 | maquis | Tene: yes |
| 04:50.51 | maquis | i did |
| 04:50.58 | maquis | it must've been the code-bunnies |
| 04:51.02 | Tene | nodnodnod |
| 04:55.12 | maquis | w00t! |
| 04:55.37 | maquis | it works for 128, 192, & 256 bit keys |
| 04:56.02 | levi | Nifty. |
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| 05:15.57 | goozbach | WOW!!! 231 updates |
| 05:16.13 | goozbach | I should update my system more often |
| 05:18.20 | xbmodder | sweet |
| 05:19.08 | xbmodder | any law guys in here? |
| 05:19.27 | maquis | and only 39 minutes early |
| 05:19.38 | levi | maquis: Nice. :) |
| 05:19.58 | xbmodder | g'job |
| 05:20.06 | maquis | thanks!!! |
| 05:21.44 | maquis | hmmm |
| 05:21.54 | maquis | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9258698/ |
| 05:22.04 | maquis | minor mistake in the caption in this |
| 05:22.06 | maquis | it claims |
| 05:22.18 | maquis | "Probably best known for its reputation as a party school, the university owned by the Mormon church has earned a new distinction: the fittest college campus." |
| 05:22.31 | maquis | last i checked, we didn't have a reputation as a party school |
| 05:22.49 | maquis | (and in other parts of the article, it says that we're known for our ranking at the bottom when it comes to party schools) |
| 05:23.13 | goozbach | you mean you don't party hardy at BYU??? |
| 05:23.20 | goozbach | I was MISLED!!! |
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| 05:41.19 | levi | maquis: Yow, you missed currying by not paying attention in your last 330 class! |
| 05:41.28 | maquis | levi: huh"? |
| 05:41.49 | levi | maquis: curried functions |
| 05:42.02 | levi | maquis: Obviously you were oblivious. |
| 05:42.30 | maquis | which section? |
| 05:42.38 | levi | The Morse one. |
| 05:43.06 | levi | They both appear to be on roughly the same schedule and using the same material. |
| 05:43.10 | maquis | hmmm |
| 05:43.17 | maquis | i don't recall talking about this |
| 05:43.54 | maquis | it makes sense, though |
| 05:44.12 | levi | currying is when you take a function that would normally take multiple arguments and make it a function of one argument that returns a function that takes the next argument. |
| 05:44.56 | levi | Yeah, you probably should. :) |
| 05:45.36 | levi | You should probably understand curried functions before starting on the homework, from the looks of it. |
| 05:46.15 | maquis | haha |
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| 05:54.52 | levi | The cs330 homework is pretty easy once you get a good grasp on how higher-order functions work. |
| 05:54.59 | maquis | ooh... |
| 05:55.04 | maquis | i remember hearing that term |
| 05:55.11 | maquis | "higher-order functions" |
| 05:55.24 | levi | Probably in class, while you weren't paying attention. ;) |
| 05:55.34 | maquis | that's when you have a function that is actually data to another function, right? |
| 05:55.44 | maquis | and then you can run it that way |
| 05:55.51 | maquis | right? |
| 05:56.09 | levi | A function that takes no functions as parameters is order-0. Higher order functions do take functions as parameters. |
| 05:56.21 | maquis | oh... so i had it backwards |
| 05:56.32 | maquis | but i had the idea that it's an instance where a function has another function as a parameter |
| 05:56.49 | levi | Yeah. |
| 05:57.36 | goozbach | :) |
| 05:57.47 | maquis | ~lart goozbach |
| 05:58.19 | levi | So a higher-order function may take a function that it applies to another argument. |
| 05:59.06 | levi | Which is a very nice abstraction tool. It means you can pass a comparison function into a sort function, for example. |
| 06:00.48 | levi | Another useful thing is that you can do part of the work and then return a function that will complete the rest, possibly by taking another argument. |
| 06:01.16 | maquis | ah |
| 06:02.16 | goozbach | so much for leaving by 11pm |
| 06:02.18 | levi | So you can do the work that depends on one piece of data, and save that by returning a function that will carry out the rest of the work and binding it to a variable. Later, you can use that variable to call the function with another argument which will do the rest of the work. You can even call it multiple times with different arguments. |
| 06:02.37 | maquis | goozbach: what are yo doing |
| 06:02.38 | maquis | ? |
| 06:03.46 | goozbach | still migrating that wiki |
| 06:04.36 | maquis | ick |
| 06:04.44 | maquis | when does it have to be done? |
| 06:10.57 | levi | Wow, it takes until HW-11 to define free-vars and bound-vars |
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| 06:13.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyone know how to make FF change its user-agent to IE? |
| 06:14.21 | levi | I think it requires an extension. |
| 06:16.52 | goozbach | maquis: by the time I leave tomorrow |
| 06:17.03 | maquis | ouch |
| 06:22.03 | levi | Get your 330 homework done? |
| 06:22.12 | maquis | nah... i'll do it tomorrow |
| 06:37.32 | goozbach | ha ha! |
| 06:37.54 | levi | goozbach: Finish? |
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| 12:29.02 | sjansen | http://m.2mdn.net/982522/PID_40847_code_120x600.gif <-- obviously not written by a programmer |
| 12:30.39 | sjansen | Although, sadly, that one isn't as funny as the add for Frontpage announcing its improved standards support and ability to generate clean code containing an html sample that was invalid. |
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| 13:06.29 | synic | terrible. |
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| 14:06.48 | graphyx | maquis: You get your aes working? |
| 14:06.59 | maquis | graphyx: yup |
| 14:07.08 | maquis | around 11:30 |
| 14:07.16 | graphyx | good to hear it. |
| 14:07.19 | graphyx | Where was the flaw? |
| 14:07.25 | maquis | which one? |
| 14:07.35 | graphyx | fair enough. |
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| 14:28.09 | maquis | :) |
| 14:28.24 | maquis | there were a lot of problems... one of them, i still don't know what it was |
| 14:28.28 | maquis | but i resolved it |
| 14:28.29 | maquis | :) |
| 14:34.37 | hans | the fittest? |
| 14:34.41 | hans | why? |
| 14:37.27 | hans | did they include the CD dept? |
| 14:37.30 | hans | er, CS dept |
| 14:38.42 | maquis | ?? |
| 14:38.47 | maquis | oh |
| 14:38.59 | maquis | hans: that's not the interesting part... |
| 14:39.02 | maquis | the caption is funny |
| 14:40.44 | graphyx | so what was that easy to memorize phrase that tells you the OSI Model's 7 layers? |
| 14:41.19 | graphyx | I know I programmed the entire stack in 460 a number of years ago, but a lot of it has leaked out in the mean time. |
| 14:41.27 | maquis | huh? |
| 14:41.49 | graphyx | networking. |
| 14:42.46 | RyanE | The (Click link for more info and facts about mnemonic) mnemonics "Peter Dances Near The Soft Pink Apples", "Programmers Dare Not Throw Salty Pretzels Away", "People Design Networks To Send Packets Accurately", "Please Do Not Throw Sausage Pizza Away", "All People Seem To Need Data Processing", and "All Presidents Say They Never Did Pot.", as well as "Always Put Some Thought iN Designing Programs" may help you remember the layers. |
| 14:43.18 | RyanE | take your pick. |
| 14:43.18 | graphyx | wow RyanE That is just what I was looking for. |
| 14:43.29 | RyanE | google for: osi 7 layer model mnemonic |
| 14:43.37 | RyanE | second link |
| 14:43.39 | graphyx | I think the one that I was taught in 460 was Please Do Not Throw Sausage Pizza away. |
| 14:44.14 | maquis | "all presidents say they never did pot..." /me chuckles |
| 14:44.39 | RyanE | when I took 460 and 560, the OSI model was still the 'next big thing'. Apparently, it still is. :) |
| 14:44.54 | graphyx | How long ago did you take 460? |
| 14:45.32 | RyanE | around '90 or '91, I'd have to say. I had Dr. Ivie, who is probably not even there anymore. |
| 14:45.52 | graphyx | I beleive I took it from the guy who was the network admin for BYU. |
| 14:45.58 | graphyx | in 2002. |
| 14:46.19 | graphyx | Brought out old telephone pairs in a huge cable, and other pieces of networking equipment. |
| 14:46.29 | graphyx | like fiber (mm and single) |
| 14:46.34 | graphyx | And other such stuff to teach us. |
| 14:47.54 | graphyx | When someone calls a cisco switch a layer 3 device what does it really mean? |
| 14:48.54 | RyanE | It means that it looks at data in the IP layer to decide where packets go. Usually, this is the job of a Router, not a switch. |
| 14:49.01 | graphyx | ok. |
| 14:49.36 | graphyx | Doesn't a "switch" Check out the header to make sure it only transmits it to the computer pluged into the one port? |
| 14:50.17 | vontrapp | ok rubyists, i'm getting .each_byte from a file, and well it gives me those bytes as Fixnum |
| 14:50.24 | RyanE | a switch makes a (likely virtual) circuit between any two ports when a packet destined for the other port arrives on an input port. |
| 14:50.30 | vontrapp | how do i make them characters or a string of one character? |
| 14:50.49 | RyanE | a switch generally only looks at MAC addresses to determine this |
| 14:50.53 | graphyx | k |
| 14:51.49 | RyanE | graphyx: you taking an open-internet test or something? :) |
| 14:52.04 | graphyx | RyanE: I am prepping up for the CISSP exam. |
| 14:52.11 | graphyx | going to be taking it in 2 weeks. |
| 14:52.24 | graphyx | I have covered 7 domains already and am currently working on the networking domain. |
| 14:53.17 | RyanE | graphyx: cool. |
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| 14:53.47 | maquis | byronc: howdy |
| 14:54.20 | graphyx | I am already on linux. |
| 14:54.27 | graphyx | RyanE: what is the MCSD? |
| 14:54.30 | byronc | morning |
| 14:54.33 | maquis | graphyx: yes... i know |
| 14:54.55 | RyanE | graphyx: Microsoft Certified Software Developer or something like that. |
| 14:54.59 | graphyx | maquis: I hope that they do. So you have more to do that just sit there and chat online. |
| 14:55.14 | graphyx | maquis: Are you handing out knoppix cds to those who want to try it out? |
| 14:57.00 | maquis | graphyx: ubuntu live |
| 14:57.11 | graphyx | That's works. |
| 14:57.22 | maquis | it's a bit prettier |
| 14:57.37 | byronc | and it (the ubuntu live cd) takes at least ten minutes to boot |
| 14:59.49 | RyanE | I don't think any graphical live CD boots terribly fast. |
| 15:00.12 | byronc | RyanE: knoppix boots _much_ faster that the ubuntu live cd |
| 15:00.31 | byronc | the ubuntu live cd runs through most of the debian installer before it gets up and running |
| 15:01.24 | RyanE | byronc: I've never tried the Ubuntu LiveCD, but I'll take your word for it. |
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| 15:07.45 | levi | Gah, stupid EEs are taking more light bulbs out. |
| 15:08.23 | levi | Over my objections. It already feels like it's dusk in here all the time. |
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| 15:11.15 | levi | I swear, the EEs are all vampires. They must do something to them in school. |
| 15:12.13 | Tene | err... why are they doing that? |
| 15:12.34 | RyanE | probably because they like the dark. |
| 15:13.36 | Tene | why don't they just turn the lights off, then? |
| 15:14.20 | levi | Because there's one bank of lights for the whole area, and I get pissed and turn it back on when they do. |
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| 15:16.18 | Tene | ahh |
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| 15:27.50 | sjansen | Tene: guess you've never worked for a sufficiently large IT group |
| 15:28.05 | Tene | I suppose not. |
| 15:28.05 | sjansen | light bulbs are a very common source of controversy |
| 15:28.13 | Tene | howso? |
| 15:28.23 | sjansen | there are two types of computer geeks |
| 15:28.47 | sjansen | those who like light (and often wish they had natural light instead of flourescent) |
| 15:29.08 | RyanE | and us vampires. :) |
| 15:29.09 | Tene | actually, I just didn't understand that there was just one large bank of lights |
| 15:29.11 | sjansen | and those who don't like light ("The glare makes it hard to look at my screen.") |
| 15:29.23 | Tene | and not individual lights |
| 15:29.44 | sjansen | even if there isn't a bank, I've known guys to remove the bulb to make sure no one every over rides their preference |
| 15:29.51 | levi | These pansy EEs are the same ones with the fancy 19" LCD displays, too. Some have dual-head, too. |
| 15:30.39 | levi | They're bright, crisp, and easy to see in pretty much any lighting condition. |
| 15:31.13 | RyanE | levi: maybe they get migraines. Bright lights are a common migraine trigger. |
| 15:31.14 | Tene | Yes, but if the lights are on they get too distracted by all the other shiny toys they have |
| 15:31.46 | levi | RyanE: No, they don't. |
| 15:34.35 | RyanE | I can see the glare off my dual-head monitor right now. Of course, the bulbs I'd have to remove are over *OTHER* people's desks, so I'm betting *that's* out. |
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| 15:39.50 | xbmodder_ | hey all? |
| 15:40.21 | xbmodder_ | or not... |
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| 15:42.29 | graphyx | hey one. |
| 15:50.48 | maquis | i could usually make it to about 11:30 before anyone else from my team came in, though, so it wasn't too bad |
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| 15:52.45 | hagna | the queen doesn |
| 15:52.50 | hagna | 't fancy Utah http://www.stephaniemiller.com/declarationofrevocation.htm |
| 15:54.11 | goozbach | after smashing my knee into the desk |
| 15:54.43 | RyanE | goozbach: lights are always handy to find out the extent of the bleeding. :) |
| 15:59.49 | maquis | goozbach: don't hurt yourself... |
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| 16:21.51 | maquis | we're covering currying right now in cs330 |
| 16:23.37 | levi | maquis: Hmm. Well, you've got a head start, then. ;) |
| 16:24.22 | Tene | last night a spider walked across my back and neck and face while I was trying to get to sleep |
| 16:24.46 | levi | Interesting slides on dynamic languages from Sam Ruby: http://intertwingly.net/slides/2005/fosssl/keynote.html |
| 16:25.31 | Tene | clarify 'dynamic languages'? |
| 16:26.31 | sjansen | http://www.stephaniemiller.com/declarationofrevocation.htm <-- I'm in Pittsberg this week, wonder how my students will take the news. |
| 16:27.49 | levi | Tene: It's kind of a vague term, but it usually means languages that have dynamic typing and runtime binding of function/method calls. |
| 16:27.55 | Tene | ahh |
| 16:27.57 | Tene | 'kay |
| 16:28.45 | RyanE | sjansen: I wouldn't worry about it. Seems to me that you can't revoke something you didn't originally give. |
| 16:28.56 | levi | Dynamic languages are often (mistakenly, I believe) called scripting languages, even though many of them are capable of systems and application programming. |
| 16:29.04 | maquis | Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories. |
| 16:29.07 | maquis | Except Utah, which she does not fancy. |
| 16:29.14 | RyanE | funny stuff. |
| 16:29.25 | maquis | yay for utah |
| 16:29.51 | RyanE | I s'pose we'd become the country of Deseret. |
| 16:30.19 | RyanE | because 'United State of America' sounds pretty lame. |
| 16:31.00 | Bradipo | I wonder how Cleese knows anything about Utah... |
| 16:31.10 | levi | sjansen: That's not exactly a new document. I saw it a couple of years ago, I think. |
| 16:31.33 | Bradipo | levi: The tone would also suggest its age. |
| 16:31.42 | sjansen | I'm not the one who first linked it, just wanted my comment to be in context since most people seemed to have ignored it. |
| 16:32.17 | Tene | sjansen: you also said 'take the news' |
| 16:32.23 | Tene | if it's old, it's not news |
| 16:33.06 | RyanE | I'm sure plenty of elementary school students wouldn't mind renaming it Pittsberg. Many of them already spell it that way. |
| 16:33.14 | sjansen | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1856519,00.asp |
| 16:34.07 | sjansen | SCO has only $12.6 million ? |
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| 16:52.01 | graphyx | sjansen: Yeah the cxx's already siphoned off all the could. |
| 17:05.05 | RyanE | hans: you should do what you ought to want to do |
| 17:07.44 | levi | hans: Just want to do what you ought to do, and you'll be all set. |
| 17:09.06 | hans | RyanE: well I'm all set then, because I ought to want to do what I want to do, although it's not presently what I ought to do |
| 17:09.44 | hans | levi: it's hard to want to work when work means fighting with notes to get 50,000 erroneous emails deleted without crashing the server |
| 17:09.57 | hans | (If I try to delete them all at once, it brings the server down. I love proprietary software) |
| 17:10.02 | levi | levi: Yuck. |
| 17:10.09 | levi | hans: Yuck. |
| 17:10.14 | hans | yuk yuk |
| 17:10.18 | levi | (My mind is obviously elsewhere.) |
| 17:10.26 | graphyx | apparently. |
| 17:10.41 | RyanE | hans: time to delegate! |
| 17:10.43 | graphyx | never trust something if you can't see where it keeps its brains. |
| 17:10.46 | emcnabb | your brain is in another place? very yucky |
| 17:11.08 | hans | ~marzipan |
| 17:11.27 | hans | what I want to do is my homework, but it's not due for a couple of days |
| 17:12.01 | hans | ibot, marzipan is not a broom. |
| 17:12.04 | ibot | hans: okay |
| 17:16.35 | hans | aha! |
| 17:17.03 | hans | xmms works now, my oggs await me. |
| 17:19.01 | Tene | yay! |
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| 18:05.03 | goozbach | where did this rain come from... |
| 18:05.05 | goozbach | ? |
| 18:07.53 | harleypig | Sorry. It was on backorder and they chose now to deliver it. |
| 18:09.02 | findlay | ~curse flakey hardware |
| 18:09.05 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, flakey hardware ! |
| 18:10.34 | hans | let's not joke about that, ibot. |
| 18:10.48 | hans | think of the children! |
| 18:11.39 | findlay | or the unfortunate persons who *are* Windows XP admins! |
| 18:11.55 | hans | we don't speak of them |
| 18:13.03 | goozbach | out of sight out of mind! |
| 18:13.30 | Tene | and the people on XP networks! |
| 18:16.14 | afat | Hi there people. I have a question.. about diskless clusters. Would it be fine to use them or is a HD faster? |
| 18:16.32 | Tene | depends on what you're doing... |
| 18:17.06 | afat | I want to use MAYA on them. |
| 18:17.33 | afat | it's a 3d rendering program |
| 18:18.14 | Tene | will you need to store data on the nodes? |
| 18:18.14 | Tene | like, significant quantities? |
| 18:18.41 | afat | well nope.. But I guess I will need a lot of memory. |
| 18:19.44 | graphyx | Can you set up Maya to do distributed computing? |
| 18:20.12 | goozbach | you'll need gobs of RAM and a hyper-fast network |
| 18:20.12 | afat | yes. |
| 18:20.48 | afat | yeah... so a diskless isn't a good idea? |
| 18:20.57 | graphyx | Wouldn't a dual AMD x2 proc mobo + dressings be cheaper in the long run? |
| 18:21.15 | harleypig | http://icedoutgear.com/ has spinner belt buckles and led belt buckles. |
| 18:21.47 | goozbach | harleypig: have you seen the NES controller belt buckle? |
| 18:21.49 | Tene | afat: I'd look at what the maya people recommend. |
| 18:21.50 | afat | well maya can do parallel works so why not..? |
| 18:21.51 | graphyx | Is that only for the eleet redneck? |
| 18:21.58 | harleypig | goozbach: :D No. |
| 18:22.11 | harleypig | Got a link? |
| 18:22.27 | harleypig | graphyx: Probably for rappers and other hip hop folk. |
| 18:22.28 | afat | Well yeah!I'll try that Tene |
| 18:22.41 | goozbach | http://www.nesbuckle.com/buy_atari.php <--the atari version |
| 18:22.44 | graphyx | One of my sister's friends had a belt buckle from a car. He took the clip and the buckle and attached them to a single length and used it as a belt. |
| 18:22.57 | graphyx | I guess if you got pulled over he couldn't say you weren't wearing a seat belt. |
| 18:22.59 | Tene | my brother has a belt like that. |
| 18:23.57 | graphyx | nes version: http://www.nesbuckle.com/buy_buckle.php |
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| 18:35.03 | sjansen | Man, the 033 is long. |
| 18:36.10 | Bradipo | graphyx: I like his style, I wonder though, most cops are mindless to the task and probably wouldn't find it terribly funny. |
| 18:36.53 | graphyx | Bradipo: Well maybe he wore his belt and then wore his seatbelt as well? |
| 18:37.05 | graphyx | Not only do I have one seat belt on I have two? |
| 18:38.01 | sjansen | actually, using maya with diskless stations might be a good idea |
| 18:38.22 | sjansen | if you can have some super beefy central computers doing most of the work |
| 18:38.24 | goozbach | usually the disk is the biggest IO hog in things like that |
| 18:38.33 | sjansen | and cheap stations for individual users |
| 18:38.55 | goozbach | but on anything less than gigE I'd say it's nutz |
| 18:39.03 | sjansen | then using any distributed capability to centralize resources will result in higher utilization |
| 18:42.19 | graphyx | sjansen: you use maya? |
| 18:44.43 | afat | I see! |
| 18:45.43 | sjansen | nope |
| 18:45.49 | afat | chii... |
| 18:46.24 | afat | But what about the clients... wouldn't they need Many mem..? |
| 18:46.27 | sjansen | but most of the highend programs give you a simplified version then have a rendering phase for high detail |
| 18:47.08 | sjansen | and the high quality render can usually be farmed out |
| 18:47.19 | sjansen | yes, you would need lots of ram |
| 18:47.31 | sjansen | unless you're going for dumb X terminals |
| 18:47.42 | afat | so not so cheap clients.. |
| 18:47.47 | afat | nope no X |
| 18:48.04 | sjansen | Windows only? Too bad. |
| 18:48.58 | afat | a.. No I mean on the clients there wont be any X11 stuff.. (only the master) NO_WIN! |
| 18:49.03 | sjansen | If terminal server weren't so expensive, it might still be worth looking at to concentrate hardware. |
| 18:50.41 | afat | I see. |
| 18:51.59 | afat | well... The only way to see this is to Test it. (I guess) |
| 18:52.35 | sjansen | WTF? MS actually tried to hire ESR?!!! |
| 18:52.45 | sjansen | Talk about clueless. |
| 18:53.14 | sjansen | I mean the guy hasn't just drunk the koolaid, he helped mix the drinks and pass them out. |
| 18:53.41 | findlay | ~slap sjansen |
| 18:53.42 | ibot | ACTION slaps sjansen, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 18:53.44 | goozbach | I think he helped invent some of the mix-ins asw well, no? |
| 18:56.13 | sjansen | heh |
| 18:57.14 | goozbach | "I hope none splashes on you" --- clasic |
| 18:57.52 | findlay | why would hardware get flakey only over a certain temperature? |
| 18:58.03 | findlay | there definitely seems to be a correlation |
| 18:58.19 | sjansen | Quothe M$: "You can learn more about our vision for the New World of Work at..." <-- /me read that as New World Order at first |
| 18:58.25 | mrpull- | findlay: don't ask me, i'm not an EE, but all kinds of hardware gets flakey when it overheats |
| 18:58.57 | findlay | so maybe the solution is to buy that expensive CPU heat sink compound |
| 18:58.59 | sjansen | the pixies start dying because of heat exhaustion |
| 18:59.08 | vontrapp | for one, conductivity drops as temperature rises |
| 19:00.42 | findlay | well, I've already modded the heatsink with a 120 mm UPS fan I got at DI (: |
| 19:00.44 | sjansen | "On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive." -- ESR |
| 19:01.16 | findlay | ESR is never without an apt metaphor |
| 19:01.16 | mrpull- | findlay: what are you cooling? |
| 19:01.25 | findlay | mrpull-: CPU |
| 19:01.33 | mrpull- | overclocked? |
| 19:01.40 | findlay | slightly |
| 19:01.41 | sjansen | leave it to esr to go up to the edge of good manners and just keep going |
| 19:02.01 | sjansen | too bad that won't fit in my sig |
| 19:02.26 | graphyx | Who is ESR? |
| 19:02.36 | findlay | ~wiki ESR |
| 19:02.42 | vontrapp | just skip the middle parts and only include the superconductive brimstone |
| 19:02.53 | vontrapp | ~google ESR |
| 19:02.55 | vontrapp | ~ESR |
| 19:02.57 | ibot | esr is, like, a very clever Linux d00d with lots of very interesting philosophical and political texts. a guy who has some ideas about guns The geezer who wrote Cathedral and Bazaar.. Eric S. Raymond, or somebody whose sgeigerbot's computer thinks about when it boots: "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000", or perhaps Extended Status Register |
| 19:03.35 | mrpull- | findlay: I've been very pleased with Zalman heat sinks |
| 19:07.12 | sjansen | graphyx: you've been using linux for this long and you don't know who esr is? |
| 19:08.06 | goozbach | I hereby revoke your geek licence. |
| 19:08.39 | graphyx | sjansen: yeah. |
| 19:11.36 | sjansen | graphyx: As your penance, I declare that you must read The Cathedral and The Bazaar this weekend. |
| 19:13.13 | sjansen | I fear the day when the majority of Linux users don't know who esr and rms are. |
| 19:16.01 | goozbach | graphyx: report due monday at 11am MDT |
| 19:16.44 | goozbach | http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/ |
| 19:16.48 | RyanE | ESR: Equivalent Series Resistance / RMS: Root-Mean-Square. I know what both of them are. |
| 19:16.56 | goozbach | there ya go :) |
| 19:17.50 | goozbach | Mediawiki++ |
| 19:21.46 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.05 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.23 | levi | All of them? |
| 19:23.30 | levi | None of them. |
| 19:23.37 | levi | Well, you could take a nap. |
| 19:23.41 | levi | You could hack some code. |
| 19:23.46 | levi | That's what I'd do. |
| 19:23.56 | levi | Or you could just shoot the breeze on IRC. |
| 19:25.33 | tensai | sjansen: see if you can get arrested, released and still make your flight |
| 19:30.20 | goozbach | idlerpg++ |
| 19:31.09 | goozbach | 13:27 <@OldleBot> goozbach hit it off with a drunk sorority chick named Jenny! This wondrous godsend has accelerated them 0 days, 00:32:10 towards level 33. |
| 19:31.12 | goozbach | 13:27 <@OldleBot> goozbach reaches next level in 0 days, 07:07:23. |
| 19:33.59 | vontrapp | goozbach: that godsend was meant for you |
| 19:35.21 | sjansen | actually, maybe I should double check my flight time first... |
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| 19:38.17 | tensai | Quiz Time! What voltage does the phone company use on a regular ole POTS line? |
| 19:38.29 | vontrapp | 2 |
| 19:38.39 | tensai | *bzzz* |
| 19:38.45 | vontrapp | 5 |
| 19:38.49 | tensai | *bzzz* |
| 19:38.53 | sjansen | 500 |
| 19:38.56 | tensai | *bzzz* |
| 19:39.04 | sjansen | 78 bajillion\ |
| 19:39.06 | RyanE | around 12, with higher for ringing |
| 19:39.10 | vontrapp | 2^2392 |
| 19:39.12 | RyanE | like 90 AC for ringing |
| 19:39.16 | RyanE | IIRC |
| 19:39.16 | vontrapp | 42 |
| 19:39.26 | tensai | RyanE: good point. I mean idle voltage. |
| 19:39.33 | RyanE | It's actually a current-loop system, not a voltage-based system |
| 19:39.34 | tensai | vontrapp: close, but *bzzz* |
| 19:40.43 | tensai | RyanE: ok, you lost me there. I'm no EE. all I know is my multimeter gives a certain number. |
| 19:41.20 | tensai | Time's Up! The answer is -48V. |
| 19:42.22 | vontrapp | -? what's with -, there's no such thing |
| 19:43.02 | Tene | the multimeter doesn't lie! |
| 19:43.35 | RyanE | tensai is correct, idle phone voltage is *generally* -48V... |
| 19:43.49 | RyanE | there are some older local systems that used -24v |
| 19:44.24 | vontrapp | V is an absolute value, it's a difference, a change from low to high |
| 19:44.43 | Tene | yes, a negative absolute value of course |
| 19:45.07 | vontrapp | is it just POTs convetion to hook the leads up backwards and call it negative? |
| 19:45.13 | RyanE | I think he means that if referenced to ground, it's -48v. |
| 19:45.45 | RyanE | referenced one to another, obviously, if you reverse the leads you can get 48v. |
| 19:45.56 | vontrapp | that's just bizaar |
| 19:46.07 | vontrapp | what kinda crack were those guys smoking |
| 19:46.50 | RyanE | I think this was invented significantly *pre-crack*. |
| 19:46.59 | findlay | I bet my multimeter is better than yours |
| 19:47.08 | vontrapp | all the more reason to wonder where they got it and what kind it was |
| 19:47.09 | graphyx | RyanE: Does the fact that it shows -48V mean that you have the leads on the multi-meter backwards? |
| 19:47.22 | RyanE | no, referenced to ground, it's -48v, IIRC |
| 19:47.28 | graphyx | oh. |
| 19:47.29 | graphyx | k |
| 19:47.34 | graphyx | Then put it on the other lead. |
| 19:47.51 | RyanE | the other lead referenced to ground is 0V |
| 19:48.10 | RyanE | I swear, you guys probably don't know which end of the soldering iron to pick up. :) |
| 19:48.25 | Tene | the metal side |
| 19:48.30 | graphyx | the on that isn't red? |
| 19:48.32 | findlay | obviously |
| 19:48.34 | graphyx | s/on/one |
| 19:48.39 | Tene | 'cause red == hot |
| 19:48.45 | Tene | and metal is cold |
| 19:48.52 | RyanE | if your iron is that hot, you've got some *other* soldering issues. |
| 19:48.54 | Tene | y'know, "cold steel" and such |
| 19:49.05 | graphyx | RyanE: you make me laugh. |
| 19:49.15 | findlay | no, blue is hot, red is cool |
| 19:49.26 | RyanE | graphyx: danke. |
| 19:49.34 | findlay | at least in black body incadence |
| 19:49.36 | graphyx | But that reminds me of an infrequent greeting I use for people on bike or car. Keep the rubber side down, ok? |
| 19:50.02 | findlay | electroluminescence and chemoluminescence are entirely different matters |
| 19:50.19 | Tene | and what about magnetoluminescence? |
| 19:50.28 | Tene | and ircluminescence? |
| 19:50.30 | findlay | never heard of it |
| 19:50.38 | RyanE | and radioluminescence? |
| 19:50.40 | Tene | and aluminumescence? |
| 19:51.16 | findlay | if you have a CRT monitor, you are looking at phosphorescence |
| 19:52.46 | Tene | and if I have an LCD monitor? |
| 19:53.16 | RyanE | diodeluminescence? |
| 19:53.22 | RyanE | duh. |
| 19:53.24 | RyanE | nevermind |
| 19:53.55 | findlay | not sure how they work |
| 19:53.56 | RyanE | that's probably phosphorescence as well, as the backlight is a fluorescent tube. |
| 19:53.57 | vontrapp | say you have a verb, an objective one, and you want to find a verb that means the same kindof thing subjectively, how would you go about finding it? |
| 19:54.34 | goozbach | don't verb, or polymorphise words, they don't like that. |
| 19:54.53 | findlay | vontrapp: I'm sure there is an impressive array of Perl modules that each can do just that |
| 19:54.56 | Tene | findlay: and if I've got a DVI cable plugged into my forehead? |
| 19:55.06 | vontrapp | findlay: lol |
| 19:55.25 | vontrapp | Tene: that's neurolumenescence |
| 19:55.50 | vontrapp | s/lumen/lumin/ |
| 19:59.54 | goozbach | dog food skulls with the beefcake pantyhose |
| 20:00.26 | vontrapp | somebody trying to raise really mean dogs? |
| 20:01.01 | vontrapp | that attack skulls and pantyhose |
| 20:03.14 | goozbach | it the time of chimpanzes I was a monkey |
| 20:03.21 | goozbach | s/it/in/ |
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| 20:07.28 | sjansen | vontrapp: example? |
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| 20:07.38 | mrpull- | goozbach: Beck Rules! |
| 20:07.55 | sjansen | objective: reprimand, subjective: whack |
| 20:08.01 | sjansen | is that what you mean? |
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| 20:09.36 | vontrapp | so like "the world angers me", but then i want me to be the object, and the world to be the subject, and keep the same meaning, i.e. "me is angered by the world" but without the conjugation |
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| 20:10.40 | harleypig | You scared him off vontrapp |
| 20:11.04 | sjansen | too much freaky verb juju for his mind |
| 20:11.04 | vontrapp | come to think of it, there are probably very few verbs that behave in such a manner, but i know they exist |
| 20:11.20 | sjansen | "without the conjugation"? |
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| 20:12.18 | vontrapp | what was that verb you used the other day sjansen? that was one i htink |
| 20:12.35 | sjansen | heh |
| 20:12.42 | sjansen | I used many verbs yesterday. |
| 20:13.03 | sjansen | ~logs |
| 20:13.05 | ibot | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 20:13.20 | graphyx | sjansen: ESR needs to add on another section to his essay. |
| 20:13.38 | graphyx | something about how firefox has started to meet the goal that netscape started out with. |
| 20:14.35 | hans | hmm. imms calls random_r and has struct random_data, which is in stdlib.h on linux, but not on mac |
| 20:14.44 | hans | furthere, there seems to be no manpage for it on linux |
| 20:15.37 | sjansen | vontrapp: looks like you might be referring to paragon |
| 20:15.46 | sjansen | 20:53.57vontrapp~dict paragon |
| 20:15.50 | sjansen | but that isn't a verb |
| 20:15.56 | vontrapp | sjansen: yeah, i found that, and i must have been thinking of something else |
| 20:16.12 | vontrapp | that's the word i was remembering you used, but it doesn't fit |
| 20:16.17 | sjansen | lart, perhaps? ;-) |
| 20:17.33 | emcnabb | so who here is going to be at the installfest tomorrow? |
| 20:17.42 | hans | ~lart emcnabb |
| 20:18.35 | emcnabb | ~lart hans |
| 20:19.09 | hans | half? is that the best you can do? |
| 20:19.37 | sjansen | in my case that's probably all it would take |
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| 20:20.08 | sjansen | the rest would just give hope and leave on its own |
| 20:21.31 | vontrapp | that lart _still_ says "hair of" eh? |
| 20:25.08 | bucky | who was saying something about ESR earlier? ...apparently M$ is trying to recruit him |
| 20:25.09 | bucky | http://esr.ibiblio.org/index.php?p=208#more-208 |
| 20:25.40 | sjansen | whois sure is slow for me right now |
| 20:27.27 | goozbach | bucky: hence him coming up in the topic of conversation |
| 20:28.11 | bucky | ESR's reply is classic |
| 20:34.20 | sjansen | It takes a certain brash nature to pick such an ugly name. Add to it the chutzpah of include "OptIn" when you spam people who decidedly did not opt in and you've got a classic. |
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| 20:35.39 | hans | so 107.5 the end will be 101.9, the not-end. |
| 20:35.53 | sjansen | ~lart register.com |
| 20:36.13 | bucky | how many radio stations in the wasatch front are owned by Clear Channel now? |
| 20:36.17 | sjansen | Just found a domain name I want. It expired months ago. But register.com hasn't released it yet. |
| 20:36.21 | sjansen | ~lart register.com |
| 20:37.38 | sjansen | ~lart register.com |
| 20:38.02 | bucky | Barberi is going to be on FM now... how many other fascists will be on the new channel? |
| 20:39.10 | levi | bucky: Lots and lots! It'll be a whole radio dial full of fascits and communists and other unpleasant -ists! |
| 20:40.25 | sjansen | will it include emacs users too? |
| 20:43.29 | levi | If you can come up with a name for them that includes -ists. |
| 20:43.34 | levi | emacsists? |
| 20:43.43 | levi | If so, I'm a proud emacsist! |
| 20:44.20 | harleypig | Does that make me a vimist? |
| 20:44.21 | sjansen | ~curse emacsists |
| 20:44.24 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, emacsists ! |
| 20:44.24 | Bradipo | emacsist sounds awfully like marxist... |
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| 20:44.43 | sjansen | wow, yet again ibot appears almost sentient |
| 20:45.28 | levi | Bradipo: I'm probably pretty marxist compared to you, but certainly not in an absolute sense. |
| 20:45.47 | Bradipo | lol, I wasn't accusing you of anything, just making an observation. :-) |
| 20:46.16 | Bradipo | More like a general accusation. |
| 20:46.28 | Bradipo | emacs seems more structured than vi in many respects. |
| 20:46.30 | levi | You must have a funny accent if 'emacsist' sounds anything like 'marxist' |
| 20:46.37 | bucky | it's funny how Barberi can be such a fascist but his daughter is a lesbian |
| 20:46.45 | Bradipo | vi is like the anarchist tool, emacs like the statist tool. |
| 20:46.54 | JoshH | barberi is a fascist? |
| 20:47.08 | bucky | he's a far right independant |
| 20:47.10 | Bradipo | All it would take is an r in emacs and it would sounds just like marx. |
| 20:47.16 | Bradipo | emarcs, emarx... |
| 20:47.17 | sjansen | communism: nice theory, lousy reality | emacs: nice theory... what am I saying? nothing about emacs is good |
| 20:47.18 | JoshH | i wouldnt consider him far right |
| 20:47.23 | sjansen | emacs kills kittens |
| 20:47.23 | JoshH | independent yes |
| 20:47.38 | levi | Bradipo: I think you'd have to substantiate that argument a bit. |
| 20:47.56 | sjansen | emacs runs over little puppies |
| 20:48.03 | bucky | Barberi likes to drink a lot... that's the only thing truely liberal about him |
| 20:48.05 | Bradipo | Which? The emacs is statist? |
| 20:48.08 | levi | Bradipo: I tend to think they're the other way around, though vim has moved vi towards less structure. |
| 20:48.18 | JoshH | bucky: drinking is "truly liberal"? |
| 20:48.24 | sjansen | I once say emacs steal a lollipop from a child. |
| 20:48.35 | bucky | especially if you drink "liberally" |
| 20:48.38 | Bradipo | levi: I suppose it is how one looks at the emacs program. |
| 20:48.40 | JoshH | a lot of conservative people like to drink outside of utah |
| 20:48.56 | Bradipo | Certainly emacs does allow for a great deal of freedom in how you use it. You can extend it in whatever way you see fit. |
| 20:49.19 | Bradipo | So, maybe in that light it wouldn't make much sense as an argument. |
| 20:49.20 | mrpull- | JoshH: what do they do when they are in utah? ;) |
| 20:49.30 | JoshH | mrpull: wish they could find a drink. ;) |
| 20:49.36 | levi | Bradipo: Indeed. I'm curious what light you were looking at it in. |
| 20:50.01 | Bradipo | In the light that in emacs everything is provided to you. It attempts to be the end of all editors. |
| 20:50.02 | bucky | mrpull, you can find a drink in Utah... you'll pay the state for it |
| 20:50.08 | Bradipo | I.e. emacs is the OS. |
| 20:50.30 | JoshH | bucky: honestly, barberi always just struck me as a reasonably intelligent independent, and fairly moderate |
| 20:50.34 | Bradipo | Just like the fatherly state that wants to provide everything for you via the state mechanisms. |
| 20:50.58 | sjansen | the OS is merely an illusion, worship emacs instead |
| 20:51.01 | Bradipo | That is the premise under which I made that statement. |
| 20:51.07 | Bradipo | lol |
| 20:51.10 | levi | Bradipo: I can see how you could look at it that way, but it's rather flawed. |
| 20:51.56 | Bradipo | In what way is if flawed in your opinion? |
| 20:52.21 | sjansen | emacs doesn't use guns to force people to use it |
| 20:52.31 | levi | Bradipo: The core of emacs is very simple, it just ships with a ton of user-created extensions that have been found useful by the group of people who use it. |
| 20:52.35 | Bradipo | Haha, but it does include a psychoanalist. :-) |
| 20:52.49 | Bradipo | levi: Good point. |
| 20:53.30 | Bradipo | But on the other side, the government, at its core is very simple. It is all the ``user-created'' programs that make it bloated and less useful. |
| 20:53.41 | levi | Bradipo: vim, on the other hand, is more centrally-controlled in its feature set. Though, as I said, it is a lot freer in that respect than vi-proper. |
| 20:54.02 | Bradipo | Ahh, but vi is very plain and simple indeed. |
| 20:54.10 | Bradipo | And has relatively few rules about it. |
| 20:54.36 | sjansen | Dictatorships are simple too. |
| 20:54.51 | levi | Bradipo: I never disagreed with that. I did say 'in that aspect', did I not? |
| 20:55.06 | Bradipo | Sure. I hope you don't take this as a serious argument... |
| 20:55.08 | sjansen | MY word is law. Give ME your money/women/lives, etc. |
| 20:55.11 | levi | The original vi was a benevolent dictatorship. |
| 20:55.23 | Bradipo | Yes, and I actually favor the original vi over vim. |
| 20:55.28 | Bradipo | Lately anyways. |
| 20:55.37 | sjansen | you poor soul |
| 20:55.48 | Bradipo | When I first started using vim I thought it was great, but most of the features I don't even use. |
| 20:55.50 | sjansen | ~hail Vim |
| 20:55.53 | ibot | ACTION bows down to Vim and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 20:55.56 | levi | Bradipo: This just furthers my assertion that you are crazy.. |
| 20:56.28 | Bradipo | The only useful feature I find I take advantage of in vim is shift-v selections. |
| 20:56.49 | levi | Well, I'm perfectly happy with zile (minimal emacs clone) for quick edits. I still use emacs, though, because I can load nifty things like SLIME. |
| 20:57.03 | Bradipo | And hanoi? |
| 20:57.10 | levi | If I wanted to. |
| 20:57.18 | levi | Emacs isn't going to tell me I can't. |
| 20:57.18 | Bradipo | Does zile have support for hanoi even? |
| 20:57.32 | levi | I have no idea. I just edit with it. |
| 20:57.43 | sjansen | Bradipo: You have not plumbed the depths of Vim and discovered it's Great and Secret Truths, grasshopper. |
| 20:57.52 | sjansen | You have not been Enlightened. |
| 20:58.04 | Bradipo | Long is the path of the shaolin... |
| 20:58.13 | levi | Emacs won't even tell me what keys I have to use. I can make it let me use vi keys, if I want. |
| 20:58.14 | goozbach | I'd sugesst a one-time dose of GL120 |
| 20:58.42 | Bradipo | levi: When I first started using Unix I actually started out in Emacs. |
| 20:58.54 | Bradipo | I used to think emacs was great until I met vi. |
| 20:58.59 | goozbach | Bradipo: I did too, then I repented |
| 20:59.02 | levi | Bradipo: That's nice. So did I. And then I switched to vi. Now I'm back. |
| 20:59.06 | Bradipo | I admit, at first vi was strange and took some getting used to. |
| 20:59.17 | Bradipo | And in fact, I preferred emacs over vi because of that strangeness. |
| 20:59.19 | sjansen | That was the feeling of your soul being reborn. |
| 20:59.39 | levi | I've got nothing against vi or vim. They're great editors. |
| 20:59.51 | levi | I still use them occasionally. |
| 20:59.54 | Bradipo | sjansen: If only someone would tell me where to burn imprints of dragons on my arms, my journey would be complete. |
| 21:00.14 | Bradipo | I haven't used emacs in years... |
| 21:00.39 | levi | That's your problem, not mine. :) |
| 21:00.42 | Bradipo | No occasions present themselves to me. |
| 21:01.01 | levi | The occasion of coding in Lisp presented itself to me, so I took up emacsing. |
| 21:01.41 | sjansen | well, it's been fun but time to go |
| 21:01.42 | Bradipo | And Lisp would certainly be a good springboard into emacs. |
| 21:01.58 | Bradipo | sjansen: Live long and prosper. |
| 21:03.37 | goozbach | touch your tounge to mine to make it all offical |
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| 21:38.09 | xbmodder-foo | hey |
| 21:45.17 | mrpull- | xbmodder-foo: hay is for horses |
| 21:46.09 | xbmodder-foo | what's for humans |
| 21:46.09 | xbmodder-foo | pizza!j |
| 21:46.25 | goozbach | and Cheesecake! |
| 21:46.42 | vontrapp | muffins |
| 21:46.56 | vontrapp | and curry soup |
| 21:47.29 | xbmodder-foo | muffins! |
| 21:47.45 | vontrapp | ~crumpet xbmodder-foo |
| 21:47.48 | ibot | ACTION shoves a crumpet down xbmodder-foo's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that! |
| 21:48.12 | xbmodder-foo | yes |
| 21:48.18 | xbmodder-foo | ~yes |
| 21:48.20 | ibot | You don't say! |
| 21:48.25 | xbmodder-foo | lol |
| 21:48.41 | vontrapp | ~botsnack |
| 21:48.41 | ibot | vontrapp: thanks |
| 21:49.11 | xbmodder-foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.12 | ibot | I'm not sure |
| 21:49.21 | vontrapp | ibot is confused |
| 21:49.22 | ibot | And you're an idiot, vontrapp. |
| 21:49.23 | xbmodder-foo | ~gender |
| 21:49.24 | ibot | I'm gay |
| 21:49.29 | xbmodder-foo | lol |
| 21:49.47 | xbmodder-foo | I think timriker is being ibot againt. |
| 21:50.04 | xbmodder-foo | again. |
| 21:50.12 | xbmodder-foo | ibot is confused |
| 21:50.13 | ibot | And you're an idiot, xbmodder-foo. |
| 21:50.38 | xbmodder-foo | ibot has a crush on timriker |
| 21:50.48 | RyanE | ibot is lame |
| 21:50.58 | RyanE | hmmm. only if it says 'confused'? |
| 21:51.38 | Bradipo | fear the power of ibot |
| 21:51.54 | vontrapp | ibot is fear |
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| 22:11.51 | emcnabb | ibot is dumb |
| 22:12.10 | emcnabb | die ibot die |
| 22:51.18 | hans | argh |
| 22:51.26 | hans | what must I do to see my graphic that I've imported in latex? |
| 22:51.27 | vontrapp | hgre |
| 22:51.45 | hans | \includegraphics{2_1.eps} |
| 22:51.48 | vontrapp | extract it and view it? |
| 22:52.04 | hans | it doesn't complain (if the file is there and is eps), but it doesn't show up in the document either |
| 22:52.13 | hans | well, there's a nice big blank spot about the size it should be... |
| 22:54.17 | vontrapp | maybe that's so you can print the document, then put it back in the printer to print the image in the right spot :-P |
| 22:59.57 | Bradipo | Do you have the graphics package enabled? |
| 23:00.26 | Bradipo | Nothing in the log? |
| 23:00.41 | Bradipo | Most likely the image doesn't quite fit in the box it has allocated for it. |
| 23:00.52 | Bradipo | Too much badness or something. |
| 23:03.37 | hans | no, it doesn't complain |
| 23:03.50 | hans | \usepackage[divps]{graphicx} |
| 23:04.29 | hans | hmm. i take that back. it does complain briefly |
| 23:04.43 | hans | Non-PDF special ignored! |
| 23:04.55 | vontrapp | i don't get why TeX uses backslashes |
| 23:05.03 | vontrapp | they are very annoying to type |
| 23:05.46 | hans | hmm, it's there in regular latex output. something about pdflatex then |
| 23:07.04 | hans | hmm, pdflatex supports png, jpeg, etc. |
| 23:07.11 | hans | but apparently not eps |
| 23:07.21 | vontrapp | what is eps? |
| 23:07.31 | hans | and you \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} |
| 23:08.43 | hans | ooh, those are horrid. maybe I'll go to ps and then ps2pdf |
| 23:10.47 | goozbach | go speed racer!!! |
| 23:11.02 | vontrapp | press the go-go-gadget-rocketship button |
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| 23:18.06 | xbmodder_ | cheesecake! |
| 23:21.52 | vontrapp | PINEApple cOBLer |
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| 23:56.54 | mheath | weird... |
| 23:58.10 | mheath | I have a google search page here that refuses to show the next page or page numbering stuff |
| 23:58.21 | mheath | It says theres thousands of results, but I can't get to the second page |
| 23:58.26 | mheath | I've tried reloading, too... |
