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| 00:35.18 | maquis | warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size |
| 00:36.03 | maquis | what in the world does that mean? |
| 00:43.21 | goozbach | ohh splinter cell |
| 00:45.36 | tensai | goozbach: don't worry, your mage is level 29 |
| 00:45.45 | goozbach | yup |
| 00:45.45 | maquis | goozbach: you're alive! |
| 00:45.48 | goozbach | just saw that |
| 00:46.16 | maquis | :w |
| 00:46.19 | maquis | doh |
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| 01:28.09 | hans | sigh. I have about a gazillion tabs open that I don't want to lose, and safari doesn't have a "bookmark all tabs" feature. |
| 01:28.40 | hans | i guess I'll just cross my fingers that I don't accidentally quit safari or accidentally take out the battery or something. |
| 01:31.42 | mheath | hans, ooh, thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't noticed firefox had such a feature |
| 02:07.54 | dataw0lf- | http://phonese.cx/comments.php?690 |
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| 02:57.09 | findlay | I've heard enough garbage ``music'' to make me puke |
| 02:57.31 | findlay | it must be some kind of toxin or something |
| 02:58.39 | mheath | findlay, what genre of music is it that bothers you most? |
| 02:59.11 | harleypig | Never seen a goatse phonese before. :D |
| 02:59.12 | findlay | nearly all, actually |
| 02:59.15 | mheath | I like listening to a very small category of music. But I appreciate almost all music, with the exception only of music that is devoid of artistic talent. |
| 02:59.44 | findlay | isn't that everybody's definition really? (: |
| 03:00.15 | mheath | And I usually don't play the radio when someone else is in my car, unless I'm familiar enough with them to know that they'll enjoy the same music I will. |
| 03:00.30 | mheath | Or I'll offer the opportunity to select a radio station to my guest. |
| 03:01.01 | findlay | all I know is that to maintain my sanity I need to quarantine the memory I have of that noise so it doesn't disturb me |
| 03:02.33 | findlay | screaming and straining singers, out of tune guitars, distortion, loud, the same stupid cadence 200 times in 3.5 minutes, and the ever present drumbeat noise |
| 03:02.46 | findlay | rubbish |
| 03:04.11 | harleypig | You like Rubbish too? Pretty decent sk8 band. |
| 03:04.12 | harleypig | :> |
| 03:04.20 | mheath | Agh |
| 03:04.21 | findlay | (: |
| 03:04.37 | mheath | My brother gave me one of those joke pens for a birthday present |
| 03:04.48 | mheath | a couple years back...the kind that shocks you when you try to click it |
| 03:05.10 | mheath | Guess what just happened when I was looking for a pen? |
| 03:05.38 | RyanE | mheath: you found one? |
| 03:05.42 | harleypig | Oh ... thought you were talking about the ones where there is a picture of a woman and as you turn it ... |
| 03:05.44 | RyanE | now *that* would be a boring story. |
| 03:05.50 | harleypig | How bad a shock? |
| 03:05.57 | harleypig | Is your hair standing on end? |
| 03:06.05 | RyanE | probably one of those piezo lighter shocks. |
| 03:06.06 | RyanE | not bad. |
| 03:06.11 | findlay | did it make your hair into a capacitor |
| 03:06.18 | findlay | ? |
| 03:06.28 | RyanE | my brother and I used to take the piezo elements out of lighters when they were new, and zap each other with them. |
| 03:06.33 | mheath | harleypig, nah. I impressed a lot of people at school once when they were messing around with one of them by continuously holding onto it for about 30 seconds |
| 03:06.35 | mheath | The shock isn't bad |
| 03:06.39 | mheath | doesn't mean it's pleasant, though |
| 03:07.03 | RyanE | must not be piezo then, sounds like the kind with a battery. |
| 03:07.06 | harleypig | Well, maybe if you were one of those kids who like licking the leads on a 9volt battery. |
| 03:07.18 | RyanE | harleypig: how else do you test them? |
| 03:07.37 | mheath | RyanE, with a multimeter? =P |
| 03:07.46 | RyanE | naw. Too slow. |
| 03:08.03 | harleypig | I didn't say I didn't ... I got a lot of people thinking I was crazy (ier) by doing that. |
| 03:08.17 | harleypig | I made my tongue go numb once by holding it there for so long. |
| 03:08.22 | RyanE | hehe |
| 03:13.34 | findlay | it only requires a very small current and electric potential across your heart to cause cardiac arrest |
| 03:15.03 | mheath | findlay, a nine volt battery on your tongue is not going to cause cardiac arrest. |
| 03:15.03 | RyanE | that's why smart electricians only work with one hand at a time, and always wear rubber-bottomed boots |
| 03:15.38 | findlay | thanks everybody for bearing with my effusions against junk music, I feel now as though the toxin level has returned to a manageable level |
| 03:16.20 | findlay | hey! |
| 03:16.24 | findlay | ~lart maquis |
| 03:16.30 | maquis | ~lart findlay |
| 03:17.12 | RyanE | blasphemy! |
| 03:17.27 | findlay | does maquis point out with a laser pointer by chace? |
| 03:17.42 | maquis | findlay: huh? |
| 03:17.55 | findlay | (: |
| 03:19.14 | maquis | mmm |
| 03:19.16 | maquis | almost ready |
| 03:19.39 | findlay | maquis: why are you waiting for your conscience to be ready? |
| 03:19.59 | findlay | are you having a DTR or something? |
| 03:20.15 | maquis | ~tree findlay |
| 03:20.17 | ibot | ACTION sizes up a tree and chops it down in just the right place to fall on findlay. |
| 03:20.49 | maquis | ~timeout findlay |
| 03:20.50 | ibot | ACTION grabs findlay by the ear, drags him to the timeout chair, and forces him to sit there for 20 minutes |
| 03:21.08 | findlay | finally I get to sit |
| 03:25.45 | findlay | ibot_: are you Turing complete? |
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| 03:41.52 | maquis | w00t!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:42.08 | mheath | eh?? |
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| 03:45.19 | misterpull | maquis: why the celebration |
| 03:45.19 | misterpull | ? |
| 03:52.04 | findlay | ~celebrate maquis |
| 03:53.11 | maquis | misterpull: i just got a piece of AES working that i was puzzled on |
| 03:55.07 | maquis | ~w00t |
| 03:55.09 | ibot | w00t!!! |
| 03:55.27 | levi | findlay: You poor musically narrow-minded soul. ;) |
| 03:55.30 | misterpull | nice. is it for school or for fun? |
| 03:55.35 | maquis | misterpull: for school |
| 03:55.47 | levi | maquis: Only a part of AES? Why not the whole thing? ;) |
| 03:55.53 | maquis | 2 friends and i crashed in my apartment for most of the day working on it |
| 03:56.01 | maquis | levi: that's for tomorrow |
| 03:56.18 | levi | maquis: Let me know when you have some interesting Scheme programs to write. |
| 03:56.33 | maquis | levi: i will... nothing interesting yet, but there will be soon enough, i'm sure |
| 03:56.50 | findlay | me narrow minded? Ha! I like Mahler AND Albinoni |
| 03:57.10 | maquis | findlay: do you like daler mehndi? |
| 03:57.26 | findlay | maquis: never heard of that |
| 03:57.31 | maquis | findlay: too bad |
| 03:57.35 | maquis | great punjabi pop |
| 03:57.41 | levi | findlay: Yeah, but I bet you couldn't stand to listen to Sonic Youth for more than 5 seconds. |
| 03:57.47 | findlay | does it involve a drumbeat and lyrics? |
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| 03:58.35 | maquis | findlay: there are lyrics... |
| 03:58.46 | maquis | and there's a section where he drums on the ground in a chant |
| 03:59.06 | findlay | sounds interesting |
| 03:59.09 | levi | maquis: That sounds cool. :) |
| 03:59.15 | maquis | there's a music video |
| 03:59.17 | maquis | it's hilarious |
| 03:59.44 | findlay | google is so anti-microsoft |
| 04:01.11 | Supaplex | google++ |
| 04:01.20 | findlay | google# |
| 04:01.44 | Supaplex | microsoft-- |
| 04:02.27 | findlay | 2^{\Aleph_0} = \Aleph_1; |
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| 04:05.24 | maquis | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/video/tunak.php might have it |
| 04:07.56 | levi | It would be fun to get findlay in a locked, padded room to which I controlled the hi-fi sound system. >:) |
| 04:08.10 | maquis | http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2461655?htv=12 |
| 04:08.13 | maquis | that laso has it |
| 04:09.02 | findlay | so you could litimus all music, and I would be the sole dispensatation of musical discretion (: |
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| 04:10.39 | levi | And when you started writing in agony at the drum beats, guitar distortion, and atonal chords, I'd turn it up! |
| 04:12.21 | emcnabb | that would be awesome |
| 04:13.06 | findlay | atonal chords are not necessarily the most stupid, actually the very tonal intervals can be the most sinister used so inappropriately as they are today |
| 04:13.09 | xbmodder | ? |
| 04:13.35 | goozbach | 2.5hrs after I dissapear without a word I get a call: "where are you?" |
| 04:13.39 | goozbach | some friends... |
| 04:13.49 | findlay | yes, I'm shamelessly trashing most of modern music (: |
| 04:14.02 | levi | Well, if you actually liked it, maybe you'd start talking about music that wasn't created by people who have been dead for hundreds of years. :) |
| 04:14.54 | findlay | Korngold, Barber, Prokifiev ... not dead that long (: |
| 04:15.22 | levi | All dead for some amount of time, though. |
| 04:16.14 | levi | Appreciating music of the past is great, but there's music in the present, too. I agree that the radio is generally full of tripe, but some of it is fun tripe, at least. |
| 04:16.26 | findlay | levi: true |
| 04:17.24 | findlay | I'll just never like it whether I try or not (: |
| 04:18.18 | emcnabb | I listen to "classical" more than anything else, but I still like "modern" music too |
| 04:18.18 | findlay | on a related note (ha), why is mozart not in portage? |
| 04:19.34 | levi | findlay: I think you'd find your tastes more flexible than you imagine they are if you branched out a bit. That's been the case for me, at least. |
| 04:19.46 | emcnabb | levi, exactly |
| 04:20.34 | findlay | nevertheless, I've never heard any modern music that I can really appreciate as much as classical |
| 04:20.42 | goozbach | there is very little music I DON'T like |
| 04:20.51 | emcnabb | than you must not have listened to any modern music |
| 04:21.17 | emcnabb | and you're not willing to accept that there are great musicians now, just like there were in the past |
| 04:21.55 | goozbach | there are some great modern artists. |
| 04:21.59 | findlay | sure, Gil Shaham, Simon Rattle (: |
| 04:22.05 | amcnabb | findlay, You're quite the sesquipidilian |
| 04:22.11 | emcnabb | haha |
| 04:22.23 | maquis | amcnabb: you just had to come in just to use that word, right? |
| 04:22.28 | goozbach | jigga-what? |
| 04:22.35 | goozbach | ~dict sesquipidilian |
| 04:22.36 | emcnabb | it's findlay style |
| 04:22.39 | emcnabb | he's just trying to fit in |
| 04:22.57 | maquis | hey |
| 04:23.38 | misterpull | ~dict sesquipedalian |
| 04:23.51 | maquis | ah... |
| 04:23.57 | maquis | that explains why i couldn't ifnd it anywhere |
| 04:24.06 | findlay | levi: I can respect modern music for what it is, though there is some I have difficulty reconciling with |
| 04:24.27 | findlay | goozbach: jiga-watt! |
| 04:24.42 | emcnabb | just out of curiosity findlay, do you play any instruments? |
| 04:24.49 | findlay | yes |
| 04:24.55 | emcnabb | cool, which ones? |
| 04:25.18 | findlay | viola, probably, er, not very good |
| 04:28.10 | misterpull | here is my theory about music... there is a lot of crap now, in the past, and will be in the future. "Classical" music, "classic rock", and whatever old stuff always sounds better because we only listen to the cream of the crop |
| 04:30.19 | levi | findlay: I'm sure there's a lot of classical music that I'd have to listen to for a while to really enjoy. If I listened to it now, it would probably seem boring or otherwise unpleasant. |
| 04:31.08 | findlay | amcnabb is jealous because he hasn't been able to refine his technique of sesquipidilian elocution the my superior level of competence, but rather can only manage supercilious remonstrances and mild effusions banal sentimentality |
| 04:31.49 | findlay | ecclectic prepositions where required |
| 04:32.00 | emcnabb | findlay, you sure took a long time to write that |
| 04:32.16 | levi | findlay: There are all sorts of musical genres that I thought were uniformly unpleasant until I'd been gently introduced to them. Now I can at least appreciate the high points of the genres, if not the bulk of them. |
| 04:32.17 | findlay | misterpull: that's a good point of view, I think |
| 04:33.20 | mheath | levi, indeed |
| 04:33.44 | mheath | There are few things I buy CDs of and like to listen to. But I at least appreciate the good things from any genre |
| 04:34.17 | mheath | I can listen to a song I completely hate listening to come away saying "Wow..." just because of the talent and artistic ability that went into it |
| 04:37.46 | levi | There are songs I used to hate that I now love. |
| 04:37.56 | emcnabb | there really is no "topic" on #utah |
| 04:38.05 | emcnabb | this is pretty normal |
| 04:38.38 | findlay | And enterprises of great pith and moment, etc. |
| 04:40.16 | findlay | no way, rap is the epitome of music |
| 04:41.37 | levi | maquis: I used to think the same! |
| 04:41.57 | maquis | levi: did you find some that changed your mind? |
| 04:42.19 | levi | maquis: I still despise most gangsta-rap, but there are some gems. |
| 04:42.23 | findlay | I prefer the phrase "reprogrammed your mind" |
| 04:43.15 | maquis | odd tastes: foreign music (latin, chinese, indian), bagpipes (usually), other random stuff |
| 04:43.27 | levi | maquis: Well, I sort of came at it from a different direction--from the artists who make the music that the rappers do their thing to. |
| 04:43.36 | maquis | rather common tastes (but probably not in this channel): sappy love songs... |
| 04:43.56 | emcnabb | maquis, have you heard amcnabb play pipes yet? |
| 04:44.01 | maquis | no |
| 04:44.09 | maquis | that'd be pretty cool, though |
| 04:44.15 | emcnabb | he's very good |
| 04:44.38 | levi | maquis: And I came to the turntableism/hip-hop music from trip-hop, which I found through a pretty thorough search through the various types of electronica. |
| 04:45.43 | levi | maquis: Anyway, I had a roommate who introduced me to a group called The Roots, and they rapped about mostly non-violent things over some really interesting and creative music. |
| 04:45.53 | maquis | levi: interesting |
| 04:45.53 | findlay | hey amcnabb, play some pipes, sesquipidilianesque perhaps |
| 04:46.19 | levi | maquis: Including one song where they rapped over some acoustic guitar music. |
| 04:46.32 | maquis | interesting... |
| 04:46.51 | amcnabb | findlay, your thing back there wasn't even a sentence. |
| 04:46.58 | findlay | can they rap under the Christmas tree? |
| 04:47.27 | findlay | at least you elevated it to the distinction of a "thing" |
| 04:47.50 | amcnabb | I can't think what else to call it. |
| 04:48.05 | levi | maquis: Anyway, there's plenty of good rap/hip-hop/turntablelism stuff going on. But, like most other genres, the good stuff doesn't often get radio play. |
| 04:48.21 | maquis | levi: true... why is that, though? |
| 04:48.33 | maquis | you would think that the "good stuff" would be more likely to get played |
| 04:48.34 | findlay | read: marketed by the industry |
| 04:48.44 | misterpull | maquis: radio stations play to the lowest common denominator |
| 04:48.50 | emcnabb | good night all |
| 04:48.56 | levi | emcnabb: G'night. |
| 04:48.58 | findlay | and it can get very low at times (: |
| 04:49.00 | maquis | emcnabb: gnight |
| 04:49.29 | findlay | And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest! |
| 04:50.04 | misterpull | not to mention that a radio station needs to keep a playlist of 50 songs or less |
| 04:50.47 | levi | maquis: What's on the radio is carefully selected to fit the profile that the radio station sells to its advertisers, who are the true customers of the radio stations. The listeners are sold to the advertisers. |
| 04:50.53 | findlay | KBYU usually doesn't play the same music within the month |
| 04:51.08 | misterpull | kbyu isn't commercial |
| 04:51.54 | levi | Non-commercial radio stations actually have listeners in mind. |
| 04:54.27 | misterpull | levi: OR, non-commercial DJ's sometimes only have their own interests in mind.... and they tend to have eclectic taste... but they aren't tied down by a corporate playlist |
| 04:56.35 | levi | Most radio stations are also run by Clear Channel Communications, too. |
| 04:57.08 | levi | So they're not even a locally-operated business, they're part of a gigantic corporation. |
| 04:57.57 | misterpull | levi: do you listen to any local radio stations? |
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| 04:58.14 | maquis | amcnabb: couldn't stay away? :-P |
| 04:58.17 | maquis | hmm |
| 04:58.20 | maquis | too late |
| 04:58.43 | levi | At any time, there are generally several different thriving 'underground' music movements that are filled with creativity and interesting stuff. Sometimes one or two bands frome these movements will break into mainstream radio and get polished up with lots of money and slick production. |
| 04:58.56 | levi | misterpull: Yeah, I listen to a few of them. |
| 04:59.03 | levi | (including KBYU, on occasion) |
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| 05:00.36 | misterpull | most of the college scene would crucify me for saying it, but I like polished, well produced music. :-0 |
| 05:00.58 | findlay | what do you mean by "polished"? |
| 05:01.12 | levi | I like it too, sometimes. Depends on the particular music, though. |
| 05:01.32 | misterpull | true. I like crunchy old rock and blues... |
| 05:01.34 | levi | findlay: Clean sounds, well-placed mics, well-rehearsed vocals, etc. |
| 05:02.01 | findlay | does singing in tune fall into that category? (: |
| 05:02.23 | findlay | not to mention good vocal technique |
| 05:02.36 | levi | findlay: Yes, but you can sing in tune and still have a raw sound. |
| 05:02.48 | misterpull | poor vocal technique isn't a deal breaker for me :) |
| 05:04.06 | levi | Nor for me. Sometimes the strained vocals add to the effect. Joy Division is a prime example. |
| 05:04.58 | levi | There's an example of raw, unpolished sound, too. |
| 05:05.27 | levi | I'm not usually very keen on screamed vocals. |
| 05:05.43 | maquis | there are some sappy love songs that are completely ruined by a section where they go into screaming |
| 05:06.02 | levi | maquis: Uh, what would an example of that be? |
| 05:06.04 | misterpull | maquis: example? who screams in love songs? |
| 05:06.15 | maquis | "I Don't Want To Miss A |
| 05:06.19 | maquis | Thing" |
| 05:06.26 | maquis | has a section like that |
| 05:06.31 | levi | Ahh, okay. |
| 05:06.32 | findlay | maquis seems have a partiality for sappy love songs (: |
| 05:06.33 | misterpull | aerosmith? |
| 05:06.38 | maquis | misterpull: yeah |
| 05:06.41 | levi | Well, Aerosmith always screams. |
| 05:06.45 | maquis | findlay: yes... i do |
| 05:06.55 | misterpull | heheh... aerosmith shoulda hung it up after pump (maybe before) |
| 05:07.12 | levi | Yeah. They peaked at 'Dream On', I think. :) |
| 05:07.17 | maquis | the rest of that song is pretty good, but that one part just annoys me |
| 05:07.31 | maquis | to the point where i have to switch songs before it gets there |
| 05:07.35 | levi | maquis: It's not an Aerosmith song if there's no screaming. ;) |
| 05:08.14 | misterpull | levi: you gotta love "walk this way" with DMC |
| 05:08.28 | misterpull | without it, hip hop may have never become main stream |
| 05:08.33 | findlay | "Maria, I've just met a girl named Mariahhh" |
| 05:09.01 | levi | I think findlay should listen to Joy Division, "She's Lost Control" |
| 05:10.01 | maquis | findlay: west-side story? |
| 05:10.34 | findlay | maquis: my roomate is listening to some Broadway stuff |
| 05:11.13 | levi | I had a roommate who would not only listen to Broadway stuff, he'd /sing along/ at the top of his lungs, to the point of vocal distortion. It was /awful/. |
| 05:11.22 | findlay | (: |
| 05:11.50 | findlay | my roomate sings along occasionally, but he has an excellent voice |
| 05:12.05 | levi | One day, when he was singing that sappy love song from Titanic at the top of his lungs, I pulled out my stereo, put on Pop Will Eat Itself - Kick to Kill and blasted it full-volume. |
| 05:12.10 | levi | He got the message. :) |
| 05:12.40 | levi | findlay: This guy had an excellent voice, too, except when he was practicing in his room, at which point it became the most wretched thing I'd ever heard. |
| 05:13.12 | goozbach | emcnabb: break out your url... |
| 05:13.31 | goozbach | the "I think I sound beautiful" one |
| 05:13.32 | goozbach | ... |
| 05:15.44 | goozbach | who here has a character in #idlerpg? |
| 05:16.39 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.43 | misterpull | heh... idlerpg is silly. i waste too much time on irc as it is... |
| 05:19.47 | levi | What is idlerpg, anyway? |
| 05:20.06 | misterpull | levi: an irc room where you are rewarded for doing nothing |
| 05:20.22 | misterpull | think D&D + IRC + the biggest waste of time imaginable |
| 05:20.30 | misterpull | pretty geeky really.... |
| 05:20.30 | levi | Do you just have to stay connected, or is there something else? |
| 05:21.17 | levi | Aww, no more findlay. |
| 05:22.08 | misterpull | isn't it more fun to push ideas on closed minded people (findlay) than on open minded people? |
| 05:22.09 | maquis | levi: pretty much, just stay connected and don't say anything |
| 05:22.55 | misterpull | ~wiki idle rpg |
| 05:23.04 | levi | Well, I wouldn't claim that findlay is generally closed-minded, just that he needs to explore contemporary music a bit more. :) |
| 05:23.09 | misterpull | rats |
| 05:23.16 | misterpull | levi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IdleRPG |
| 05:25.52 | levi | Whee, a paper by Hans Boehm entitled 'Threads Cannot Be Implemented As a Library'. More anti-C ammo for me! |
| 05:27.27 | misterpull | unzip wasn't standard in RH either for a long time (i'm not sure if it isn't now) |
| 05:28.06 | misterpull | it is a dependency for a backup program I use... I always had to grab that RPM first |
| 05:29.09 | misterpull | that is a surprise... when I tinker with gentoo _EVERY_ tool I need isn't installed and by the time it is done compiling, I cant remember why I needed it in the first place |
| 05:29.32 | maquis | it must've been a dependency for something |
| 05:30.48 | maquis | 2GHz processor struggling... |
| 05:34.24 | misterpull | hrrmmm... tomorrow isn't patch windows tuesday is it? |
| 05:34.32 | misterpull | second tuesday? |
| 05:35.01 | levi | maquis: What are you unzipping? |
| 05:35.51 | xbmodder | me and my friend are starting a company, its for server management and administration, we need a name? any ideas? |
| 05:36.12 | maquis | levi: a very large archive of music... you might recall it from last year |
| 05:36.33 | levi | maquis: The sxsw music? |
| 05:36.36 | maquis | it didn't get put on my old laptop because it was too big and i didn't have enough hd space |
| 05:36.40 | maquis | levi: yup |
| 05:36.52 | levi | maquis: Ahh, cool. I never got through all that. |
| 05:37.09 | maquis | should be some good stuff, i figure |
| 05:37.22 | levi | Odds are you'll like some of it. |
| 05:37.41 | levi | Be sure to keep track of what you like, or you'll end up just deleting it all like I did. |
| 05:38.03 | maquis | levi: what i plan to do is delete the songs i don't like |
| 05:38.32 | xbmodder | i hate iPods |
| 05:38.34 | levi | Well, be prepared for a lot of work ahead of you. There's a /lot/ of music there. |
| 05:38.42 | maquis | levi: yeah |
| 05:38.47 | levi | xbmodder: That's too bad. |
| 05:38.53 | maquis | xbmodder: they're very nice |
| 05:39.06 | xbmodder | maquis, i know, but there made by stevey |
| 05:39.14 | maquis | ?? |
| 05:39.37 | maquis | steve jobs? |
| 05:39.58 | maquis | granted, i grew up in a mac family |
| 05:40.19 | xbmodder | hes kinda wierd |
| 05:40.25 | xbmodder | *weird |
| 05:40.27 | xbmodder | he is |
| 05:40.36 | levi | Steve Jobs is indeed kinda weird, but what's that got to do with iPods? |
| 05:40.39 | misterpull | xbmodder: maybe when you grow up you will realize that some people have different views than you and they aren't weird or "too bad" |
| 05:40.58 | maquis | honestly, steve jobs isn't that bad-looking |
| 05:41.18 | xbmodder | lol |
| 05:41.26 | xbmodder | we did not need to know that maquis |
| 05:41.47 | maquis | i recall reading or hearing some place that he was voted as one of the better-looking CEOs in tech or something |
| 05:42.04 | levi | maquis: And that really doesn't have anything to do with iPods. :) |
| 05:42.15 | misterpull | hell... given the choice of gates and jobs, i know who i'd say is better looking.... torvalds too... |
| 05:42.20 | maquis | levi: no... but it does have to do with steve jobs |
| 05:42.43 | xbmodder | maquis, yeah |
| 05:42.44 | levi | Steve Jobs is definitely a charismatic leader. |
| 05:43.06 | maquis | crazy, pushes people to limits, but very good leader |
| 05:48.13 | levi | Hah, this is awesome: http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2005/06/08/smart-car-plus-gsxr-equals-smartuki-a-very-smart-car |
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| 13:31.54 | maquis | zao |
| 13:32.13 | graphyx | morning. |
| 13:33.42 | maquis | what's up? |
| 13:36.08 | graphyx | Just getting back to work after the weekend. |
| 13:38.38 | maquis | fun |
| 13:38.43 | graphyx | you? |
| 13:39.05 | maquis | just getting ready for a9:00 class |
| 13:40.47 | graphyx | hey data: you have a good weekend? |
| 13:42.30 | dataw0lf | yeah. |
| 13:42.37 | dataw0lf | I don't remember much of it. |
| 13:42.47 | dataw0lf | which is, of course, why I believe I had a great weekend. |
| 13:42.47 | graphyx | that dull? |
| 13:42.53 | dataw0lf | no, that drunk. |
| 13:42.59 | graphyx | I see. |
| 13:43.23 | graphyx | so lacking an evidence anytime you don't recall what happened it must have been great? |
| 13:43.34 | graphyx | any* |
| 13:43.43 | dataw0lf | since I'm not in jail nor in any pain I must assume I had a great time. |
| 13:44.17 | graphyx | maybe you were the one to come up with the gopher vulnerability and don't know it. |
| 13:44.46 | graphyx | drunken code auditing... |
| 13:45.09 | dataw0lf | doubtful. |
| 13:46.52 | dataw0lf | mmmm http://dataw0lf.phonese.cx/comments.php?690 |
| 13:52.31 | graphyx | What is that datawolf? |
| 13:52.56 | dataw0lf | a 16 port rack mounted KVM with LCD / keyboard. |
| 13:53.10 | dataw0lf | it's where all my 'important' servers are plugged into. |
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| 14:27.54 | hans | ~lart emcnabb_ |
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| 14:40.59 | graphyx | Any ideas on this? |
| 14:41.10 | graphyx | Debian server running apache 2 with perl/php/other stuff. |
| 14:41.20 | graphyx | Friends server went down over the weekend from extended power failure: |
| 14:41.28 | graphyx | Now when I request php pages I get this error. |
| 14:41.42 | graphyx | SoftException in Application.cpp:187: Script "/var/domains/www.website-hit-counters.com/htdocs/test.php" resolving to "/var/domains/www.website-hit-counters.com/htdocs/test.php" not within configured docroot |
| 14:41.55 | graphyx | any idea what I need to do to fix it? |
| 14:42.02 | graphyx | That error is from the error log. |
| 14:42.37 | graphyx | ~emulate gir |
| 14:42.38 | ibot | must obey the taco man! |
| 14:42.56 | graphyx | ibot_: fix your name |
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| 14:45.40 | tapH20guru | got a HUGE problem :) |
| 14:45.54 | tapH20guru | I can't decide witch purdy new laptop to buy |
| 14:46.10 | tapH20guru | so many options so little time |
| 14:46.20 | tapH20guru | anyone have any recommendations? |
| 14:47.38 | hans | *book |
| 14:47.50 | hans | OpenWengo? what kind of name is that? |
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| 14:49.48 | tapH20guru | doh... back now |
| 14:50.52 | graphyx | well whatever system you get make sure it has a reliable network connector. |
| 14:50.58 | tapH20guru | lol |
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| 15:25.24 | vontrapp | ~lart hans |
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| 15:53.41 | levi | Morning, #utahns. |
| 16:02.46 | emcnabb | morning |
| 16:10.30 | levi | How's it going? |
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| 16:27.27 | graphyx | Hey, my apache2 server is getting this error in the error.log when a php page is requested and the browser gets a 500 error, any ideas what I need to do to fix it?SoftException in Application.cpp:187: Script "/var/domains/www/htdocs/test.php" resolving to "/var/domains/www/htdocs/test.php" not within configured docroot |
| 16:31.17 | vontrapp | graphyx: it needs to be in the docroot |
| 16:31.20 | vontrapp | probably /var/www/ |
| 16:31.32 | vontrapp | don't know where that domains/ comes from |
| 16:31.52 | vontrapp | what is your docroot set to? |
| 16:32.04 | vontrapp | and how is it even trying to access something outside the docroot |
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| 16:38.25 | graphyx | vontrapp docroot 0s /var/domains/www/htdocs/ |
| 16:38.29 | graphyx | s/0s/is/ |
| 16:38.56 | graphyx | sorry for the delayed response. |
| 16:41.24 | vontrapp | so that _is_ the docroot |
| 16:47.10 | vontrapp | but yet it says it's not |
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| 16:54.15 | decriptor | hey all |
| 16:54.52 | fozzmoo | decriptor: hey] |
| 16:55.02 | decriptor | someone is alive |
| 16:55.58 | goozbach | fozzmoo: zup? |
| 16:56.13 | fozzmoo | Just dealing with a server down in So. Jordan. |
| 16:56.16 | goozbach | I may have a couple friends coming with me to the CO show on the 24th |
| 16:56.22 | decriptor | what is the upcoming plug meeting? |
| 16:56.25 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Grand Jct? |
| 16:56.46 | goozbach | yeah |
| 16:56.55 | fozzmoo | That's gonna be an awesome show. |
| 16:58.12 | vontrapp | CO? |
| 16:58.17 | fozzmoo | Colorado. |
| 16:58.51 | fozzmoo | The Pink Floyd tribute band I'm involved with is playing Grand Junction, CO on the 23td |
| 16:58.55 | vontrapp | right, of course, i was imagining a band name there or something |
| 16:59.03 | fozzmoo | And then Steamboat Springs on the 24th. |
| 16:59.08 | fozzmoo | <http://www.sonsofnothing.com/> |
| 16:59.18 | Jayce^ | gumstix hardware (plug meeting) |
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| 17:02.55 | Bradipo | Hmm, gubug is extremely low volume I take it... |
| 17:03.00 | Bradipo | At least compared to plug. |
| 17:03.49 | emcnabb | cool trick of the day: F in 'less' goes in tail -f mode |
| 17:04.03 | fozzmoo | emcnabb: Wow! |
| 17:04.14 | fozzmoo | I had to read that a couple times. Thought you were cussin. |
| 17:04.30 | emcnabb | haha |
| 17:05.04 | vontrapp | stinkin' awesome! |
| 17:05.10 | vontrapp | emcnabb++ |
| 17:05.20 | fozzmoo | Thanks, F-in guru! |
| 17:05.47 | vontrapp | we can call it F'in less from now on |
| 17:05.51 | vontrapp | F'in less that file |
| 17:06.41 | emcnabb | :-) |
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| 17:51.08 | hans | emcnabb: I still don't understand the trick |
| 17:51.15 | hans | are you talking about tail -F? |
| 17:51.27 | fozzmoo | if you're viewing a file with less... |
| 17:51.29 | hans | oh, press F while in less? |
| 17:51.31 | hans | ic |
| 17:51.34 | fozzmoo | you can press F ... |
| 17:51.37 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
| 17:51.42 | hans | i wish I could remember how to get to less -S from inside less |
| 17:51.48 | hans | but I always forget |
| 17:51.52 | fozzmoo | Yeah- that would be a handy trick too. |
| 17:53.32 | hans | it exists, i just can't remember it |
| 17:54.58 | hans | ok, folks, my rss feeds are all on another computer that I'm too lazy to boot up. how about pasting the rss link to your interesting blogs here. (i'm mostly looking for _your_ blogs, but if you have a feed you just can't live without, I won't call you for flooding) |
| 17:55.30 | fozzmoo | http://www.fozzilinymoo.org/Fozzolog/RSS/latest |
| 17:57.08 | fozzmoo | Alright people... this is definitely worth an "oh brother" or 2... |
| 17:57.11 | fozzmoo | http://sify.com/peopleandplaces/fullstory.php?id=13934919#yuck |
| 17:57.58 | dataw0lf | that's festive |
| 17:58.01 | JoshH | All she's concerned about is that the programme is tastefully done and she gets her privacy," femalefirst quoted a source as saying to the Daily Star. |
| 17:58.05 | JoshH | guess i wont be watching then |
| 17:58.31 | goozbach | I'll see your "oh brother" and raise you a "good grief" |
| 17:59.59 | maquis | meeps! |
| 18:00.28 | maquis | i mean... on tv? |
| 18:00.39 | fozzmoo | Have you ever watched TLC? |
| 18:00.54 | fozzmoo | Or Howard Stern on E! :) |
| 18:01.03 | maquis | o |
| 18:01.14 | maquis | i've heard that actually being present, if you know the family, is very powerful |
| 18:01.26 | fozzmoo | Amazing how small they can make that digital mozaic effect these days. |
| 18:01.34 | maquis | but my assumption is that it's kinda lost when it's on tv... particular when it's commercial |
| 18:01.39 | fozzmoo | Agreed. |
| 18:01.43 | maquis | fozzmoo: digital mozaic? |
| 18:02.05 | fozzmoo | You know- how they blur out stuff that isn't safe for kids to see... |
| 18:02.14 | maquis | oh |
| 18:02.17 | JoshH | ya, thats what i hate about the howard stern show |
| 18:02.20 | JoshH | it should have been on hbo |
| 18:02.42 | fozzmoo | Howie Stern is in a difficult situation, IMO. |
| 18:02.59 | fozzmoo | His format (naked women) really lends itself better to TV instead of radio... |
| 18:03.08 | fozzmoo | But his face is more for radio. |
| 18:03.13 | JoshH | and premium TV instead of basic cable |
| 18:03.30 | maquis | my dad's a doctor... he says that watching (and helping) at a birth is an extremely powerful thing... |
| 18:03.56 | fozzmoo | But yeah- flipping through the channels at 10:00 at night and hitting E! makes you wonder if you got free pr0n or something. |
| 18:04.15 | fozzmoo | maquis: it is. Amazing exerpeicen. |
| 18:04.28 | goozbach | hans: his feed is currently broken, but I like this blog: http://www.newbsoft.com/index.php/ |
| 18:04.37 | JoshH | its like that doctor 911 show where it shows the ladies getting boob jobs. if you are showing all that, whats the point of blurring out the nipples? its just annoying. |
| 18:05.08 | fozzmoo | maquis: Sometimes my fingers get away from me. |
| 18:05.09 | hans | hmm, is this stuart's home page these days: http://buscaluz.org/ |
| 18:05.20 | maquis | hans: last i checked |
| 18:05.27 | hans | is he sayin we don't know how good we had it before he stopped his blog? |
| 18:06.16 | fozzmoo | http://blogs.gurulabs.com/stuart/index.xml |
| 18:07.22 | maquis | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/42777/ShowPost.aspx |
| 18:07.30 | maquis | Error!: No Error Occurred |
| 18:08.30 | maquis | ipes! |
| 18:08.31 | fozzmoo | I love it! |
| 18:08.33 | maquis | today's is bad too |
| 18:08.42 | fozzmoo | THE SQL STATEMENT IS VALID! |
| 18:08.43 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 18:08.53 | maquis | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/42909/ShowPost.aspx |
| 18:11.37 | maquis | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/31621/ShowPost.aspx |
| 18:19.48 | maquis | ermmm |
| 18:19.58 | maquis | can someone explain to me *what* this guy is trying to do? |
| 18:19.59 | hans | mmmre |
| 18:20.05 | maquis | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/34650/ShowPost.aspx |
| 18:20.33 | maquis | i mena... |
| 18:20.40 | maquis | it appears that he's trying to get around osme ploblem |
| 18:20.57 | maquis | but... i can't figure it out |
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| 18:28.13 | hans | the problem is that java doesn't have an unsigned int |
| 18:28.23 | maquis | bah |
| 18:28.29 | maquis | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/34366/ShowPost.aspx |
| 18:28.34 | maquis | ^^ that's a bad one |
| 18:28.38 | hans | so any number bigger than 0x80000000 |
| 18:28.48 | hans | cannot be represented in an int (you have to go with a long) |
| 18:29.09 | maquis | hans: so... he should just go to a long |
| 18:29.22 | hans | the guy is making it way to complicated, but the real WTF is why doesn't java have unsigned types |
| 18:29.39 | hans | I seem to remember coming up against that once |
| 18:30.09 | maquis | meh |
| 18:31.45 | hans | maquis: you'll think that too after implementing a few encryption algorithms |
| 18:32.25 | maquis | :) |
| 18:32.35 | hans | that last one reminds me of last week when I was reading kernel assembly, they kept doing xor %eax, %eax |
| 18:32.45 | maquis | :) |
| 18:32.55 | hans | finally I got curious and engaged my brain to figure out what the heck that was that it kept showing up. :) |
| 18:33.26 | maquis | :) |
| 18:34.06 | hans | no no |
| 18:34.20 | maquis | :) |
| 18:34.32 | hans | it's silly, but not unthinkable. people get one solution in their head and don't stop to think of alternatives |
| 18:34.41 | hans | this poor guy just got the wrong solution locked in |
| 18:34.56 | maquis | that's a pretty bad solution, though |
| 18:35.41 | hans | i've written macros do to bit-by-bit stuff before, and I can testify that if you aren't careful the "everything looks like a nail" psychosis takes hold |
| 18:36.23 | hans | although it takes some serious psychosis when you could just write i=0; |
| 18:36.28 | maquis | :) |
| 18:36.46 | maquis | but still |
| 18:36.51 | RyanE | I think there could be a performance benefit to the xor |
| 18:37.33 | maquis | RyanE: to a single one, maybe |
| 18:37.48 | maquis | to looping through bit by bit and xoring each bit against itself, no |
| 18:39.30 | RyanE | yep. If you were to do it 8 times, it's kind of pointless, but it does appear that if you're just clearing the register, it's faster... http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo-na/eng/61813.htm?prn=Y |
| 18:40.14 | RyanE | the things you learn because of curiosity and google... |
| 18:40.17 | maquis | RyanE: did you read the wtf that i posted? |
| 18:40.31 | maquis | goo: why? |
| 18:40.36 | goozbach | a Cafe Rio opened up just down the street from the office. |
| 18:40.37 | maquis | oh wait |
| 18:40.39 | RyanE | I always read the daily wtf, but no, I didn't go back and read it. |
| 18:40.52 | maquis | you're happy because you get to come to the installfest, right? |
| 18:41.09 | maquis | RyanE: i discovered this site this summer |
| 18:41.18 | maquis | i've been going back and reading some of the archives |
| 18:42.15 | RyanE | It's in my daily reads. some are quite entertaining, others don't do it for me. Any example with oracle in the title, I skip. |
| 18:42.19 | RyanE | :) |
| 18:42.30 | hans | RyanE: if it's faster, the compiler probably does it that way then |
| 18:42.30 | maquis | :) |
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| 18:42.53 | RyanE | hans: probably, if the O level is set high enough. |
| 18:43.11 | hans | seems like a no-brainer that you wouldn't need an O level for, if it's really faster |
| 18:43.18 | RyanE | I guess so |
| 18:43.22 | RyanE | valid point |
| 18:44.27 | maquis | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/27468/ShowPost.aspx |
| 18:44.28 | Newsome | who in their right mind would use a signed bitfield? |
| 18:44.41 | maquis | Newsome: howdy |
| 18:44.46 | Newsome | hi |
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| 19:22.43 | hans | there. I think I've compiled my rss feeds again |
| 19:24.05 | levi | hans: Do you have mine? |
| 19:28.43 | hans | yah, both of them |
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| 20:02.57 | levi | hans: I still have the Qt4 dance song in my head! Curse you! |
| 20:19.40 | hans | maybe this will help: staccatomusic.org |
| 20:21.46 | graphyx | they have a bunch of mp3s on there? |
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| 20:23.17 | hans | it's a podcast |
| 20:23.22 | graphyx | cool |
| 20:23.24 | hans | about indie (creative commons) music |
| 20:23.38 | hans | the best of, newest one, has along interview with lessig |
| 20:33.41 | bonez41 | I get a note when booting....says Starting AppleTalk.....blah blah....I don't have nor will I likely ever have any Apple machines in my office.....how do I carve this another unneeded drivers out of the boot process, to free up processor for stuff I want to run, ? |
| 20:34.48 | RyanE | install linux on it. :) |
| 20:34.57 | bonez41 | also, I noties a message: "host name: unknown host" and when gdm loads it tells me it can't find 'fyrenice' ... which is contained in /etc/hosts..and also is the sole entry in /etc/hostname should it read instead '/etc/fyrenice.com'? |
| 20:35.22 | bonez41 | RyanE, install linux on? what? debian 3.1 is installed on my hard drive..... |
| 20:36.44 | graphyx | bonez41: I don't know where it is in debian, but you should be able to find the start up scripts that are run for the init level that you are starting into and eliminate the script or part of the script that is loading appletalk. |
| 20:36.50 | graphyx | gentoo it is rc-update |
| 20:37.01 | hans | bonez41: more trouble than it's worth |
| 20:37.11 | graphyx | there is a similar command in redhat. |
| 20:37.18 | graphyx | But hans is probably right. |
| 20:38.13 | levi | netatalk is the appletalk package. You can apt-get remove it. |
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| 20:42.28 | RyanE | bonez41:aha. I thought you were talking a mac. :( |
| 20:50.59 | bonez41 | hans? really? that much trouble? but it boggs the system down...somewhere along the way someone or something inserted that code... |
| 20:51.26 | bonez41 | RyanE, isn't "appletalk" having to do with mac/apple? |
| 20:52.42 | levi | RyanE: Yeah, it's Apple's old network protocol. |
| 20:52.47 | bonez41 | if I run lsmod, there's apple talk, a la : appletalk 20076 12 (autoclean) |
| 20:52.58 | bonez41 | seem it should be a simple matter of telling system to not load it... |
| 20:53.05 | levi | bonez41: apt-get remove netatalk |
| 20:53.10 | bonez41 | ok.. |
| 20:53.23 | hans | it's not bogging the system down, but levi has the simple solution |
| 20:53.34 | hans | for the count, there goes another NIC |
| 20:53.44 | hans | this one a built-in NIC in an IBM server. |
| 20:54.05 | levi | hans: My startup at home often waits for a bit while starting appletalk. I should get rid of it, too. Don't need it anymore now that OS X does NFS fine. |
| 20:54.08 | hans | I can't remember, how many power supplies have failed since the last NIC I reported again? |
| 20:54.20 | hans | oh yeah, 0 |
| 21:01.01 | hans | hmm. ldap gurus, why won't this rhel box look at files first like I think it's configured to? |
| 21:01.09 | hans | passwd: files ldap |
| 21:01.09 | hans | shadow: files ldap |
| 21:01.09 | hans | group: files ldap |
| 21:01.58 | hans | account required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so |
| 21:01.58 | hans | account [default=bad success=ok user_unknown=ignore service_err=ignore syste |
| 21:01.58 | hans | m_err=ignore] /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so |
| 21:02.36 | hans | that looks like it might be the suspect line (this was generated by authconfig) |
| 21:05.20 | bonez41 | levi, any suggestion on the 'fyrenice' not being recognized? I need it to read 'fyrenice.com' in /etc/hostname, correct? 'fyrenice.com' is indeed registered |
| 21:06.57 | Bradipo | Anyone know where gaim plugins get installed? |
| 21:07.42 | levi | bonez41: If you only have fyrenice.com in the hosts file and it's looking for fyrenice, it's not going to append .com for its lookup. |
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| 21:14.40 | bonez41 | levi, ok, I'll reboot and try that then... |
| 21:15.07 | levi | You shouldn't have to reboot after changing /etc/hosts |
| 21:16.30 | bonez41 | levi, could I past my /etc/hosts file into #flood? I copied it from my old system..and changed /etc/hostname to include just 'fyrenice.com' now....adding the .com |
| 21:16.48 | maquis | bonez41: use pastebin |
| 21:16.57 | maquis | it's a bit easier to read in my experience :) |
| 21:17.20 | maquis | (pastebin.com) |
| 21:17.23 | levi | bonez41: How about putting 'fyrenice' in /etc/hosts and not changing /etc/hostname? |
| 21:17.54 | bonez41 | levi I do have fyrenice in /etc/hosts....a la : 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain fyrenice.com scott xx.x.xxx.xx |
| 21:18.14 | bonez41 | maquis, I should use pastebin more..you are right |
| 21:18.15 | levi | bonez41: fyrenice.com is not fyrenice |
| 21:18.19 | maquis | :) |
| 21:18.35 | bonez41 | levi, I now...that's what's in /etc/ hosts though...it should read the same in both, right? |
| 21:19.00 | levi | bonez41: Try putting both fyrenice and fyrenice.com in. |
| 21:19.13 | bonez41 | in /etc/hosts |
| 21:19.14 | bonez41 | ok.. |
| 21:20.03 | bonez41 | levi, but the rest on that line, that's ok too, right? |
| 21:20.10 | levi | Sure. |
| 21:20.51 | bonez41 | ok |
| 21:31.52 | vontrapp | i saw a shirt today, "Happy trees" with that bearded drawing show guy |
| 21:32.07 | vontrapp | i had to chuckle a bit at that |
| 21:32.19 | Jayce^ | bob Ross rules! |
| 21:33.23 | vontrapp | :) |
| 21:36.59 | bonez41 | If I try to write, from moz-tbird to this folder, which is on a networked windows drive, drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4096 2005-07-01 03:32 eob, I get and error, telling I have no write permissions...I am doing this as 'root'...as well, chown usr eob...while at that drive, returns 'chow: changing ownership of `eob': operation not permitted... ? ? |
| 21:37.27 | bonez41 | I have been writing to and reading from that networked drive over a year, and just now...I can't write to it or change it....after moving to new hdd...... |
| 21:39.39 | RyanE | @Jayce^: Well, Bob Ross used to rule a lot more before he died. :) Of course, he went to a place where *all* the trees are happy. |
| 21:41.00 | bonez41 | oh, bob..now i remember..big blone afro hairdo? "get a little crazy"...."it's your world"...that bob? |
| 21:41.07 | bonez41 | blone=blonde |
| 21:42.00 | maquis | levi: what's cdaddr? |
| 21:42.29 | levi | maquis: It's a composition of multiple cars and cdrs. |
| 21:42.41 | levi | maquis: Each d is a cdr, each a is a car. |
| 21:42.45 | maquis | oh |
| 21:43.00 | maquis | knowing that makes it a lot easier |
| 21:43.03 | maquis | thanks |
| 21:43.07 | levi | No problem. |
| 21:45.07 | levi | That's one handy thing about using car/cdr as opposed to first/rest (as Common Lisp allows). When you have a complex structure built out of conses, you can compose the accessor functions into a single call. Of course, you should write some more descriptive function wrappers instead of just calling cddadadaddr or whatever all over your code. |
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| 21:47.21 | maquis | levi: yeah... |
| 21:47.39 | maquis | i just had to work out what the cdaddr of a list was... and it took a bit :) |
| 21:47.57 | maquis | but got it right |
| 21:49.21 | levi | So, do you know what car and cdr stand for? |
| 21:49.32 | levi | (lisp trivia time!) |
| 21:50.03 | maquis | levi: ummm... something about address register and direct register if i recall correctly |
| 21:50.12 | maquis | our prof told us... |
| 21:50.21 | maquis | (was that right?) |
| 21:50.26 | levi | Contents of Addresss Register and Contents of Decrement Register |
| 21:50.34 | maquis | ah... |
| 21:50.35 | levi | (people often get the decrement one wrong) |
| 21:50.37 | maquis | got one of them |
| 21:51.23 | levi | I had to buy a $70 UVSC parking pass, because my class was 15 minutes too early to get a night pass. :/ |
| 21:51.33 | maquis | levi: that sucks |
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| 21:51.59 | maquis | and i don't want to haul all that up/down the hill |
| 21:52.54 | levi | I would have been able to get away without buying a pass except for the stupid Owlz games that kept me from parking in the McKay Events Center lot. |
| 22:02.42 | vontrapp | anyone used pLog? |
| 22:02.59 | levi | What's pLog? |
| 22:03.05 | vontrapp | a blog engine |
| 22:03.40 | levi | Written in perl, python, or php? |
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| 22:06.20 | vontrapp | hmm, it's php (sorry, sourceforge took forever to respond) |
| 22:06.58 | levi | What advantage does it have over something like Wordpress? |
| 22:08.29 | vontrapp | i don't know |
| 22:08.37 | vontrapp | somebody just said it was really good |
| 22:08.44 | vontrapp | i'm looking at wordpress right now |
| 22:09.12 | levi | Wordpress works well for most of the bloggers I know. |
| 22:09.58 | levi | I'm writing my own blog software. It's kinda fun, but it would be a lot of work to replicate all of Wordpress's features. |
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| 22:11.08 | RyanE | I like Wordpress as well. Tried Mambo, too complicated for a blog. |
| 22:11.14 | RyanE | that is, my Wife likes it. |
| 22:12.52 | PogiGroo | Wordpress also is very compatible with ecto <--- supper awesome blogging client |
| 22:13.36 | PogiGroo | it's more of a mac thing but I think you can build it from code for whatever 'nix build you prefer |
| 22:17.20 | RyanE | PogiGroo: It looks to me like Ecto is a for-sale program. Is there also an open source version? |
| 22:21.28 | PogiGroo | I thought there was ... |
| 22:22.16 | PogiGroo | I just download it |
| 22:22.44 | PogiGroo | whoops, I think you're right |
| 22:22.58 | vontrapp | pirate! |
| 22:23.57 | levi | It's registration-ware. |
| 22:24.25 | PogiGroo | :-$ |
| 22:25.01 | levi | I think it was free back when it was kung-blog or whatever. |
| 22:25.03 | PogiGroo | I guess if you have a non-technically inclined spouse and a windows or mac box its a good option . . . |
| 22:26.04 | PogiGroo | anyway, my favorite thing about wordpress is the huge variety of availiable plugins and features for it |
| 22:28.51 | levi | Wordpress is definitely one of the most heavily-developed free blog packages. |
| 22:28.54 | RyanE | I like the fact that the interface is nice and clean, and non-confusing to the wife. She hated mambo, even after I turned off all the non-blog stuff. |
| 22:29.44 | levi | I'm running Drupal at the moment, and I'm annoyed at it. Too many menus of stuff to sort through, and too resource-heavy. |
| 22:29.48 | RyanE | of course, I need to make a better skin for her blog. The one we're using is pretty ugly. |
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