| 00:09.17 | levi | Yow, thunderstorm. |
| 00:24.25 | *** join/#utah ibot_ (i=ibot@rikers.org) |
| 00:24.25 | *** topic/#utah is The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feed | BYU Installfest --- September 10. See uug.byu.edu for more information | Join the quest: #idlerpg |
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| 00:30.43 | bucky | {-}, did you fix your car? |
| 00:30.53 | {-} | nope |
| 00:31.06 | bucky | what kind is it? |
| 00:31.15 | bucky | toyota? |
| 00:31.17 | {-} | 95 camry |
| 00:31.36 | {-} | don't know of any place around here that I can replace a battery at 6pm on a saturday |
| 00:33.28 | bucky | toyota camry has a bad design in the starter contacts.. the contacts can be replaced a lot cheaper than the $150 starter |
| 00:34.03 | bucky | the only good way to test a battery is to load test it.. and that requires that it's fully charged first |
| 00:34.50 | bucky | could be a battery... go buy one and put it in there.. you might need it for winter anyway |
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| 00:42.53 | findlay | hi |
| 00:43.11 | findlay | ~lart maquis |
| 00:55.11 | emcnabb | wow, findlay is alive |
| 00:55.47 | {-} | wow, emcnabb is alive |
| 00:56.09 | findlay | yeah, it was no fun pretending to be dead anymore |
| 01:00.53 | emcnabb | wow, {-} is alive |
| 01:01.25 | bucky | {-}'s o--o is dead |
| 01:03.42 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 01:03.55 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart not xbmodder |
| 01:07.20 | xbmodder_lappy | ouch |
| 01:08.29 | findlay | ~char[7] |
| 01:08.30 | ibot | methinks char[7] is the ideal length of a nick |
| 01:08.41 | findlay | ibot_: right you are |
| 01:09.31 | xbmodder_lappy | ~len xbmodder |
| 01:09.44 | xbmodder_lappy | 8 |
| 01:24.43 | xbmodder_lappy | How should I tell a girl I like her? |
| 01:31.32 | tene_ | xbmodder_lappy: "I am attracted to you and enjoy your company." |
| 01:32.12 | xbmodder_lappy | Err only problem -- this is going to be over the phone and I haven't seen her for 4 months :-/ |
| 01:32.24 | tene_ | talked to her since then? |
| 01:32.32 | xbmodder_lappy | lots |
| 01:32.47 | xbmodder_lappy | last night I talked to her for three hours -- thats why I wasn't bugging you guys |
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| 03:23.30 | rosciv1 | What's the best way to set Linux up so a program is run (as a non-root user) on startup? [Using Fedora, if it matters.] |
| 03:26.58 | {-} | Create an init script and su in the script. |
| 03:27.19 | rosciv1 | Darn. That was the best idea I had. |
| 03:27.26 | rosciv1 | Was hoping there was a More Better Way. |
| 03:42.19 | levi | Just got back from The Brothers Grimm. |
| 03:43.05 | {-} | opinion? |
| 03:43.19 | {-} | The review I saw was pretty harsh. |
| 03:43.51 | levi | It wasn't great, but I'm a sucker for Terry Gilliam films. |
| 03:44.31 | levi | The atmosphere of the film was wonderful, as usual, but the plot thread was a little tenuous. |
| 03:45.47 | JoshH | i saw it a few nights ago |
| 03:46.04 | JoshH | decent i guess, but it had a lot of boring parts (i actually fell asleep for a few minutes at the end) |
| 03:50.13 | levi | I enjoyed it overall. |
| 03:53.46 | JoshH | same |
| 03:54.01 | JoshH | but i wouldn't buy the DVD or anything |
| 03:54.47 | bigdog_ut | how would kids like it? |
| 03:57.06 | levi | It was on the dark and scary side, and they'd probably get bored. |
| 03:57.14 | bigdog_ut | lol |
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| 04:40.30 | hans | just tried 2.6.13 and I can't get booted. "Unable to find initial console" or something like that |
| 04:40.43 | hans | think it might be related to pulling devfs, but I thought I had rid myself of devfs... |
| 04:40.53 | findlay | weired |
| 04:41.20 | mheath | hans, you removed devfs, you mean? |
| 04:41.29 | hans | 2.6.13 has finally pulled the plug |
| 04:41.30 | hans | almost |
| 04:41.37 | mheath | "Unable to find initial console" is almost definantly related to that |
| 04:41.37 | hans | but for all intents and purposes |
| 04:41.48 | mheath | You don't have the proper /dev/tty* devices |
| 04:42.10 | hans | I've been using udev, but I guess that isn't helping. know how to get those without devfs? |
| 04:42.46 | mheath | hans, udev will create those, but the "Unable to find initial console" error comes up before udev is started. |
| 04:42.56 | hans | yes |
| 04:43.02 | mheath | You need to have certain static devices, stuff thats required for booting before udev can be started |
| 04:43.13 | mheath | You need to use MAKEDEV or a similar script to create the device files |
| 04:43.18 | mheath | Or copy them from someone else's system. |
| 04:45.19 | hans | ok, so how do I do that with devfs lying on /dev? |
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| 04:45.58 | mheath | Er, you're still using devfs? |
| 04:46.02 | mheath | I thought you said you weren't. |
| 04:46.21 | hans | well, apparently I am because there's a /dev/.devfs |
| 04:46.27 | hans | d |
| 04:46.41 | hans | and devfsd was running. maybe I tried to remove it once and had trouble. |
| 04:46.59 | mheath | hans, if you're using devfs I can't help you. It's bad and crufty. |
| 04:47.09 | hans | you won't even help me remove it, huh? |
| 04:47.18 | mheath | I don't know how to remove it. |
| 04:47.29 | hans | that would be a good thing to know if you don't like it. |
| 04:47.29 | mheath | I've never used it, because everything I read about it said "BAD!" =P |
| 04:47.56 | mheath | I've always used Slackware, which prefers static (and now udev) devices |
| 04:49.04 | findlay | hans: what distro? |
| 04:49.09 | hans | debian |
| 04:49.28 | findlay | should be some distro specific documentation |
| 04:50.46 | levi | Hey findlay, haven't seen you around for a while. |
| 04:50.54 | maquis | ~lart findlay |
| 04:51.14 | findlay | I had a little trouble switching to udev a while back, but just left all the magic to some distro patch or other that made static devices |
| 04:51.53 | findlay | don't think I have ever used udev to it's full, glorious capability yet (: |
| 04:53.30 | hans | http://webpages.charter.net/decibelshelp/LinuxHelp_UDEVPrimer.html#consnull |
| 04:53.39 | findlay | levi: I may have been gone for a season, but now I live to jest on #utah |
| 04:53.41 | hans | guess I have to resort to a rescue disk. drat |
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| 05:28.29 | hans | it would seem that devfs is gone |
| 05:31.35 | Newsome | from the kernel? Yes, it should be. |
| 05:32.28 | hans | yes, 2.6.13. More importantly, it's gone from my box now (so I can run 2.6.13). Ok, technically that isn't a causal relationship, but I had somehow deleted the real /dev (under devfs) and so I couldn't get a console in the kernel |
| 05:32.35 | hans | when I tried to boot 2.6.13 |
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| 05:35.15 | krtzen | kkk |
| 05:36.32 | Newsome | maquis: do you know how much too big that SCSI card was for the computer? |
| 05:37.45 | Newsome | was it too long, or would a low-profile card work? |
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| 05:47.20 | bonez41 | anyone still up? |
| 05:47.36 | findlay | me |
| 05:49.43 | bonez41 | findlay, ok..I installed debian 3.1 on a new hdd ... the 'system name should be 'fyrenice' but for some reason is just 'scott'....which is my use names on machine too |
| 05:49.58 | bonez41 | how do I change the machine name to other than what it currently show? |
| 05:50.01 | bonez41 | shows |
| 05:50.14 | findlay | is it the same name as the hostname? |
| 05:50.30 | maquis | Newsome: if you're referring to the uug server, you're going to have to ask topher |
| 05:50.40 | findlay | /etc/hosts |
| 05:50.42 | Newsome | maquis: okay, I'll ask him. Thanks |
| 05:50.46 | maquis | all i know is that he did something |
| 05:51.01 | findlay | or /etc/.../hostname |
| 05:51.02 | maquis | i've got the box here... |
| 05:51.08 | bonez41 | findlay, thanks. |
| 05:51.12 | findlay | is that it? |
| 05:51.16 | findlay | then? |
| 05:58.01 | bonez41 | findlay, that was it..changes /etc/hostname, ..didn't know how to restart..so rebooting it....remotely |
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| 07:21.47 | xbmodder | jru |
| 07:21.50 | xbmodder | hey |
| 07:31.36 | xbmodder | maquis, you got an orkut? |
| 08:02.01 | xbmodder | hey |
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| 15:45.33 | rosciv1 | Is there any way to keep dhcpclient from overwriting your /etc/resolv.conf? (Or to automatically make changes/additions to it when it does get overwritten?) |
| 16:14.21 | rosciv1 | Just read on /. that Rehnquist passed away. For those who hadn't heard yet. |
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| 17:52.48 | xbmodder | hey |
| 17:52.59 | xbmodder | dhcpcd -R i think |
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| 19:32.14 | levi | Afternoon. |
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| 20:04.01 | hans | ha |
| 20:04.02 | hans | CBQ is merely the oldest kid on the block - and also the most complex one. It may not always do what |
| 20:04.04 | hans | you want. This may come as something of a shock to many who fell for the âsendmail effectâ, which |
| 20:04.07 | hans | teaches us that any complex technology which doesnât come with documentation must be the best |
| 20:04.10 | hans | available. |
| 20:04.15 | hans | um, neat highlighting. |
| 20:04.55 | levi | What's that? |
| 20:05.03 | hans | a quote from lartc |
| 20:05.08 | hans | (lartc.org) |
| 20:05.28 | hans | in the queueing disciplines section. I thought it was hilarious |
| 20:08.18 | levi | Heh. :) |
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| 21:00.25 | roscivs | xbmodder: I don't have dhcpcd on my system? |
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