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| 00:58.33 | maquis | w00t! |
| 00:58.35 | maquis | level 11 |
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| 01:43.14 | sjaddy | I've never felt so ignorant with a computer. I have no clue how anything works. |
| 01:43.45 | sjaddy | at least not for a long time |
| 01:47.26 | {-} | give up, install Linux, and be done with it |
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| 02:40.04 | goozbach | the're probally on this flight with me |
| 02:42.49 | goozbach | ~lart cutting it close |
| 03:26.03 | mheath | Hmm |
| 03:26.25 | mheath | Can one reasonably expect that an autogen.sh script will run configure upon completion? |
| 03:26.46 | mheath | This seems to be the behavior of all autogen.sh scripts I've required, yet doesn't seem to be a set requirement of autogen.sh |
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| 03:51.48 | bonez39 | maquis, got a minute? |
| 03:52.03 | bonez39 | or dataw0lf |
| 03:52.45 | bonez39 | I am still trying to figure out how to get incoming traffic to my linux box...i.e., with mutt, incoming mail, or ssh/scp from outsid....or connection to my web server... |
| 03:53.06 | bonez39 | I can email out with mutt, but mutt doesn't pick up, through exim4 the incoming mail... |
| 03:58.24 | mheath | bonez39: check your SMTP servers configuration and logs |
| 03:58.37 | mheath | make sure its actually accepting mail, and figure out where its dumping it |
| 03:59.21 | mheath | there are several standard locations for mail spools to be located (in a directory in your home directory, in a global directory in /var), and mutt won't read from all of those by default |
| 04:02.47 | mheath | It appears (on a quick overview of exims FAQs) that it uses /var/spool/mail style maildirs |
| 04:02.48 | bonez39 | mheath, I know on my installation, the mail spools to /var/mail/scott that's the folder on my old hard driver where all my old mail messages are stored..... |
| 04:02.54 | bonez39 | yeah.... |
| 04:03.13 | mheath | bonez39, then check exims logs |
| 04:03.32 | mheath | make sure its actually starting up, running properly, and receiving mail |
| 04:05.01 | bonez39 | mheath, that's the thing,..I am not sure that it's running |
| 04:05.21 | bonez39 | mheath, would you take a look if I posted it in #flood? |
| 04:05.35 | mheath | bonez39, sure |
| 04:05.57 | bonez39 | ok, there it is |
| 04:06.23 | maquis | bonez39: i'm here |
| 04:06.35 | mheath | bonez39, looks like its working to me |
| 04:07.25 | mheath | Or at least running, and receving connections/mail |
| 04:07.30 | bonez39 | ok.....but yet it's not...I open mutt..just at /home/scott and send a letter..I send to several addresses which I pick up in thunderbird..and those all arrive..and I mail back to myself...but that never shows up...... |
| 04:08.11 | mheath | bonez39, are you telling mutt you use the /var/spool/mail spool? |
| 04:08.34 | mheath | bonez39, mutt, I believe, uses a home directory spool (~/.maildir or something) by default.\ |
| 04:09.41 | maquis | amcnabb: is topher around/ |
| 04:11.27 | mheath | bonez39, at least go and check if therse anything IN /var/spool/mail or /var/mail |
| 04:11.31 | mheath | see if the mails there |
| 04:11.36 | mheath | if it is, its a mutt configuration issue |
| 04:11.45 | bonez39 | mheath, I can start mutt a la 'mutt -f /var/mail/scott' |
| 04:11.55 | bonez39 | tand then it reads from that file........yeah |
| 04:12.37 | mheath | So does that fix your problem, then? Or was I not understanding your issue? |
| 04:12.42 | bonez39 | if I just type 'mutt' and enter..it loads the file /var/mail/scott |
| 04:12.59 | mheath | Ah |
| 04:12.59 | bonez39 | there is just one message in /var/mail/scott |
| 04:13.17 | amcnabb | maquis: I don't see him. |
| 04:13.38 | bonez39 | mheath, and NO it doesn't seem to fix the problem.. |
| 04:14.03 | mheath | bonez39: sorry, this seems to be an issue with exim, with which I have no experience.... |
| 04:14.20 | maquis | amcnabb: can you have him call me when he gets in? |
| 04:14.26 | mheath | Out of curiosity, why are you using exim? I'd never even really heard of the thing before you mentioned it. |
| 04:14.29 | bonez39 | the other things..I was able, on my old hard drive..to ssh/scp to home from work here..and also from home to work....now, I can ssh/scp only to home, but if I run ssh my.ip.add.ress...it won't connect |
| 04:14.55 | bonez39 | I have exim4 set up ... to run Mailman....for a couple lists I run with that.... |
| 04:15.02 | bonez39 | and it worked fine before... |
| 04:15.53 | mheath | bonez39, is the sshd running? |
| 04:16.11 | amcnabb | maquis: oki-doki |
| 04:16.26 | maquis | thanks |
| 04:16.39 | bonez39 | let me check |
| 04:17.10 | bonez39 | mheath, scott@scott:/var/log$ ps ax | grep sshd |
| 04:17.10 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.10 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.19 | bonez39 | I am guessing so....the pid 1289 shows it's running |
| 04:18.05 | mheath | bonez39, what does "ssh 127.0.0.1" do? |
| 04:24.06 | bonez39 | mheath, back..getting you an answer |
| 04:24.55 | bonez39 | scott:/home/scott# ssh 127.0.0.1 |
| 04:24.55 | bonez39 | The authenticity of host '127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1)' can't be established. |
| 04:24.55 | bonez39 | RSA key fingerprint is 64:37:05:e9:79:c5:1a:43:9e:70:b6:06:d4:03:f0:da. |
| 04:24.55 | bonez39 | Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes |
| 04:24.55 | bonez39 | Warning: Permanently added '127.0.0.1' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. |
| 04:24.55 | bonez39 | Password: |
| 04:24.59 | bonez39 | it gives that |
| 04:25.40 | mheath | bonez39: Are you sure things are being routed correctly at your house? |
| 04:25.55 | mheath | If you have a router, you'll need to forward the SSH port to that machine |
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| 04:27.31 | bonez39 | mheath, absolutely nothing at home has changed....only hear...my old hdd started to not want to boot up, though I can write to and read from it..so I booted up to new hdd..moving everything to new drive... |
| 04:28.09 | bonez39 | mheath, I set /etc/network/interfaces to have a static IP....10.0.0.10..on this machine...and copied that file over..and rebooted...so that it would pickk up the correct ip... |
| 04:28.42 | bonez39 | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:80:AD:3B:FF:43 |
| 04:28.42 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.00 | mheath | bonez39, whats the error you're getting when you try to connect? |
| 04:29.03 | bonez39 | and it's picking that ip up correctly....and my router here routes port 22 to this machine at 10.0.0.10 |
| 04:29.13 | mheath | no route to host? connection refused? connection timed out? |
| 04:30.35 | bonez39 | from home, it just sits, doesn't give any error...I could try to connect from y LAN win machine..but would that really tell anything..since it's local... |
| 04:30.39 | bonez39 | on same subnet? |
| 04:30.48 | bonez39 | connection refused |
| 04:31.23 | mheath | bonez39, and you're sure nothing is firewalled at any point, on either end? |
| 04:31.41 | bonez39 | on both ends..port 22 is forwarded to the named machine... |
| 04:32.09 | bonez39 | I even have keys set up...so that I just ssh to home machine IP and it connects..that works from office to home..no more password sending... |
| 04:33.39 | bonez39 | ah, maybe it's working now.>I can run putty on win 98 machine and connect to my linux box.... |
| 04:34.06 | bonez39 | maybe it's finally working...when I was home, I didn't have the /etc/network/interfaces copied over..so it wasn't assigned the static IP.... |
| 04:34.52 | bonez39 | which brings me though to my next issue....my web site....http://fyrenice.com/ isn't allowing connections locally, or from outside (read "home") ... once that's working, maybe mutt will work for me too |
| 04:37.08 | mheath | Wait |
| 04:37.18 | bonez39 | waiting.... |
| 04:37.36 | mheath | You're sending e-mail to scott@fyrenice.com |
| 04:37.44 | mheath | and want *that* to be picked up exim? |
| 04:38.19 | bonez39 | I have the domain 'fyrenice.com' registered...it's been working fine for over 8 months.... |
| 04:38.36 | mheath | I know |
| 04:38.52 | mheath | Just answer the question....your adressing the mail you want to read with mutt to scott@fyrenice.com, correct? |
| 04:38.53 | bonez39 | I have set up various other addresses, a la name@fyrenice.com and have tested them...they all worked.... |
| 04:39.12 | bonez39 | yes, that's the address I am sending FROM and testing back TO.... |
| 04:39.58 | mheath | http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.50/doc/html/FAQ.html#TOC408 |
| 04:39.59 | bonez39 | 'whois fyrenice.com' shows it up.....shows it's registered to me...etc....it's all there..it's alive, just not on my end of things |
| 04:40.12 | mheath | Do you have those configuration lines? |
| 04:40.14 | bonez39 | ok, reading that..... |
| 04:40.43 | bonez39 | which lines? there are many showing on that page |
| 04:40.58 | mheath | user_in_domain: |
| 04:40.58 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.58 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.58 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.29 | mheath | You need to add that to your exim configuration file |
| 04:41.46 | mheath | (replace "domain" with "fyrenice" and "net" with "com") |
| 04:43.39 | bonez39 | could I update or check on this with 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' ? |
| 04:43.57 | bonez39 | running debian....I guess I'll try that... |
| 04:44.41 | bonez39 | otherwise not sure which config file to add those above changes....what baffles me is that it just worked..fine on the other drive...I apparently haven't copied everything over...or updated on new drive/installation so that it works right |
| 04:46.38 | bonez39 | mheath, would I want this option? : mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail ? |
| 04:46.50 | bonez39 | that's the one that's defaulted to..in the setup |
| 04:47.23 | bonez39 | I guess my nickel ran out.... |
| 04:47.33 | bonez39 | sorry to dominate your time here... |
| 04:48.27 | maquis | bonez39: i'd offer help, but i'm pretty lost as well |
| 04:48.33 | mheath | bonez39, I really can't help if you're using debian configuration tools. |
| 04:48.48 | bonez39 | ok..... |
| 04:48.53 | mheath | bonez39, I'm not great at helping when you're using tools and software I'm not at all familiar with |
| 04:49.08 | mheath | I could provide some general tips/suggestions, but thats about it. |
| 04:50.33 | bonez39 | ok..I appreciate your help to this point.... |
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| 06:19.05 | maquis | grrr |
| 06:35.52 | bonez39 | AES? security? |
| 07:54.19 | xbmodder | AES? |
| 07:54.21 | xbmodder | ~AES |
| 07:54.23 | ibot | [aes] the Advanced Encryption Standard and is expected to replace DES during the early part of the next century. All candidates for the AES must be symmetric block cyphers supporting atleast 128, 192, and 256 bit keys. See http://www.nist.gov/aes for more information. rijndael, or rijndael was only picked because it worked the best on a smart card. Twofish ... |
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| 15:13.08 | decriptor | anyone around today |
| 15:17.18 | bonez39 | des |
| 15:17.21 | bonez39 | I |
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| 15:37.22 | decriptor | here is a question for anyone I'm looking to setup a vpn what does everyone recommend |
| 15:42.50 | mheath | bonez39: get your mail problems figured out? |
| 15:43.08 | bonez39 | mheath, well, still won't get incoming mail...with mutt.... |
| 15:43.23 | bonez39 | and i am not sure where the mail that's been flowing to that account has been going... |
| 15:43.39 | mheath | bonez39, did you add those configuration lines I told you to? |
| 15:43.59 | mheath | What those lines do is tell it that "user@whateveryourdomainwas.com" == "user" |
| 15:44.03 | mheath | It doesn |
| 15:44.21 | mheath | It doesn't know that scott@whateveryourdomainwas.com is the adress of the local user "scott" |
| 15:45.06 | mheath | And therefore doesn't know that mail for scott@whateveryourdomainwas.com should go in /var/mail/scott |
| 16:05.57 | tuple | decriptor: openvpn |
| 16:09.41 | bonez39 | mheath, ok, I'll go and dig up those lines..I guess the thing I can't figure out, is all my hardware is the same, my ISP is not changed..only thing that's changed is where I have mutt installed.....and just this move wiped out the incoming aspect..... |
| 16:10.39 | bonez39 | mheath, I didn't have logging on yesterday.....sorry..... |
| 16:11.06 | bonez39 | so I don't have access to what you wrote..those config lines.... |
| 16:17.37 | mheath | bonez39, hold please |
| 16:18.06 | bonez39 | mheath, holding |
| 16:18.56 | mheath | http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.50/doc/html/FAQ.html#TOC408 |
| 16:19.16 | mheath | Q9805 |
| 16:19.59 | mheath | *shrug* exim still seems like a pain-in-the-butt with weird configuration and horrible documentation... |
| 16:20.02 | mheath | but to each his own |
| 16:21.19 | bonez39 | this item, right? A9805 |
| 16:21.31 | mheath | Yes |
| 16:21.52 | bonez39 | ok....thanks..I'll dig around and try to figure out now, which of the zillions of config files it goes in |
| 16:22.21 | mheath | *sigh* I need a bigger monitor |
| 16:22.50 | mheath | 1024x768 is too cramped for me, and stuff is too small even in that on this monitor |
| 16:23.09 | bonez39 | sorry I exasperate you, mheath..... |
| 16:23.18 | mheath | bonez39, you don't |
| 16:23.41 | mheath | You just run your system differently than I would (debian) and with software that I don't like (exim) =P |
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| 16:33.02 | bonez39 | mheath, what distro do you run? and which MTA? I get errors when I add those lines to my update-exim4.conf.conf and run the update-exim4.conf |
| 16:33.08 | bonez39 | posting the output in #flood |
| 16:36.28 | mheath | bonez39, I run an extremely customized version of Slackware GNU/Linux |
| 16:37.01 | mheath | So much has been changed and replace, most of my systems are a vague hint at what the distro I'm working on will be like |
| 16:37.05 | mheath | I use Postfix as my MTA |
| 16:37.57 | bonez39 | hmmm is there something I can run to test, which I run? I am sure it's exim.... |
| 16:38.34 | bonez39 | ps ax | grep exim4 shows an instance running, while nothing shows when ps axing postfix |
| 16:38.58 | mheath | bonez39, why would it? You're not running postfix.. |
| 16:39.51 | mheath | bonez39, I'll try to help when I get back tonight, around 2300 |
| 16:41.14 | bonez39 | mheath, thanks..I am sure it's something rather simple, that I am overlooking here.. |
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| 17:32.28 | maquis | help |
| 17:32.32 | levi | It's amazing how many political extremists there are on plug. |
| 17:32.34 | maquis | how do i turn off search highlighting |
| 17:32.35 | maquis | ? |
| 17:32.42 | levi | ... that's a vague question. |
| 17:32.53 | levi | Search highlighting in what? |
| 17:32.58 | levi | vim? |
| 17:32.58 | maquis | vim |
| 17:33.00 | maquis | sorry |
| 17:33.14 | levi | Hmm. I have it bound to an f-key. I'll have to look. |
| 17:33.45 | levi | :nohlsearch |
| 17:34.02 | maquis | ah |
| 17:34.08 | maquis | i thought i had that in my vimrc |
| 17:34.28 | levi | I think you have to run it again after every search. |
| 17:34.38 | levi | But I could be mistaken. |
| 17:34.47 | maquis | on my other computer, it never does it |
| 17:36.48 | levi | Hmm. Beats me, then. I like the highlighting when I first do a search. |
| 17:36.58 | levi | But I like to be able to turn it off after I find what I'm looking for. |
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| 19:11.46 | tuple | what the, I'm getting 216 kbps upload |
| 19:12.06 | tuple | I'm supposed to have 1.5mbit or at least 700 kbit, iirc |
| 19:13.01 | tuple | ( I am getting almost 1.5 down, though) |
| 19:16.54 | maquis | tuple: any thoughts on my vim problem from earlier? i've checked, and i have 'set nohlsearch' in my vimrc |
| 19:17.03 | tuple | what's the problem? |
| 19:17.50 | maquis | even though i've got that in my vimrc, it's still highlighting all the matching search results when i search |
| 19:18.02 | maquis | i can't figure out why |
| 19:22.53 | tuple | my guess is you have the wrong option set, or it's being reset after you unset it. |
| 19:22.59 | tuple | :set nohlsearch= |
| 19:23.03 | tuple | and see what it says |
| 19:23.16 | tuple | if you do it manually, does that have the desired effect? |
| 19:30.38 | maquis | tuple: yeah |
| 19:30.45 | maquis | sorry... i've got weird network issues today |
| 19:32.30 | maquis | how do i get my wireless card to stop reassociating any time that it sees a signal that it thinks is stronger? |
| 19:32.41 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 19:32.43 | maquis | (or just get it to run dhclient when it does reassociate? |
| 19:32.44 | maquis | ) |
| 19:32.51 | xbmodder_lappy | is it windows? |
| 19:32.53 | scott | anyone know a lot about electronics? we have a huge t.v. that is like 20 years old or so and we can't get it to go above 36 even though cable goes to 100 or so |
| 19:32.57 | tuple | depends on what daemons you're using. |
| 19:33.04 | scott | is there anyway to get around that? |
| 19:33.27 | maquis | there's a signal here in the complex which is really strong when it's on, but when it goes down constantly |
| 19:33.28 | tuple | scott: I don't think so, I think it's in the tuner. but I don't know. I imagine a tuner tweak or a new tuner would do the trick |
| 19:33.34 | tuple | don't know more than that though |
| 19:34.05 | scott | on just t.v. (not cable) it goes to 83 or so |
| 19:34.11 | tuple | maquis: it's very possible theoretically, so it's just a matter of whatever daemon is doing the association stuff to not jump on it |
| 19:34.19 | xbmodder_lappy | scott, cable box? |
| 19:34.36 | scott | nope |
| 19:34.38 | tuple | oh, not _that_ old. integrated electronics, it's probably more trouble than it's worth |
| 19:34.41 | scott | there's UHF and VHF |
| 19:34.48 | tuple | get a vcr to feed it and change channels on the vcr |
| 19:34.54 | tuple | or whatever other thing (cable box, for example) |
| 19:34.57 | tuple | or myth tv. :) |
| 19:34.57 | xbmodder_lappy | scott, external tuner is your best bet |
| 19:35.17 | xbmodder_lappy | there about 300 bucks |
| 19:35.25 | tuple | vcrs go for like 50 |
| 19:35.33 | tuple | seems the cheaper solution to me |
| 19:35.35 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, set the AP bssid |
| 19:36.15 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, set the AP statically |
| 19:36.21 | tuple | maquis: for example if you have no daemon playing with your wireless card, you can set up the connection manually and it won't change even if you go out of range |
| 19:36.25 | tuple | iwconfig |
| 19:40.42 | maquis | i'm using iwconfig eth1 essid linksys |
| 19:40.46 | maquis | it's still having issues |
| 19:40.57 | maquis | i just need to get the one in my apartment working correctl, i think |
| 19:40.57 | tuple | ai yi |
| 19:41.04 | tuple | do you have access to that router? |
| 19:41.17 | tuple | change the essid to something unique |
| 19:41.21 | maquis | tuple: i can probably take root on it |
| 19:41.26 | maquis | it's not mine, though |
| 19:41.44 | maquis | i have one in my room that i own... i was just having issues setting it up on thursday |
| 19:41.49 | tuple | well I assume your problem stems from both using the same essid, am I right? |
| 19:41.55 | maquis | granted, i was doing it at 1am on thursday |
| 19:42.01 | tuple | same essid, different IP configs |
| 19:42.05 | maquis | i dunno |
| 19:42.06 | tuple | = bad |
| 19:42.12 | maquis | i was switching over to NETGEAR a few times |
| 19:42.23 | maquis | but, i think there are two linksys's in the complex |
| 19:42.30 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, do a "iwlist eth1 scanning" and pastebin it |
| 19:42.39 | tuple | or just paste it here. it's saturday |
| 19:43.04 | xbmodder_lappy | tuple no.... |
| 19:43.12 | maquis | [osiris aes] iwlist eth1 scanning |
| 19:43.12 | maquis | eth1 Scan completed : |
| 19:43.12 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.12 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.12 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.14 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.17 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.19 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.22 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.24 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.27 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.29 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.40 | xbmodder_lappy | thats all? |
| 19:43.48 | xbmodder_lappy | one ap |
| 19:43.56 | levi | Tsk, tuple. Encouraging crapfloods! ;) |
| 19:43.58 | maquis | that's all it lised |
| 19:44.14 | tuple | no, it's good flood |
| 19:44.33 | levi | It's flood nonetheless. |
| 19:44.46 | tuple | indeed |
| 19:44.58 | tuple | so is a discussion about X or Y |
| 19:45.04 | tuple | I don't see the problem |
| 19:47.26 | levi | There isn't, really, but it's fun to give people a hard time about it. |
| 19:48.30 | maquis | hmmm |
| 19:48.36 | levi | Hmm. Should I buy the APA Pub. Manual in softcover or spiral bound? |
| 19:51.38 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, is that the AP you wanna use though? |
| 19:52.42 | xbmodder_lappy | pingy |
| 20:04.57 | maquis | hi |
| 20:04.58 | maquis | sorry |
| 20:05.09 | maquis | i was trying to set up my router |
| 20:05.24 | maquis | it's still not working, though |
| 20:05.43 | levi | tuple: How did you install LaTeX on your Mac? |
| 20:05.54 | maquis | the routeris connected fine, and if i try to ping from it, i can get the IP address of whoever i want to ping |
| 20:05.59 | maquis | but then there are no responses |
| 20:06.45 | vontrapp | woohoo, capsaicin molecule shirt |
| 20:06.50 | maquis | i tried pinging a website i've never been to on this computer to make sure thta the ip addresses weren't just cached |
| 20:06.54 | maquis | anyone ever seen this? |
| 20:07.32 | vontrapp | maquis: maybe it's some kind of firewall? |
| 20:07.45 | maquis | vontrapp: i don't think so |
| 20:07.52 | maquis | if i bypass the router, i can get online |
| 20:08.08 | maquis | but i would hope that the router's default settings wouldn't block websites |
| 20:08.24 | maquis | (i tried getting to websites, and it failed |
| 20:08.25 | maquis | ) |
| 20:08.35 | vontrapp | bypass the router as in how? |
| 20:08.53 | maquis | use ethernet and plug directly into the cable modem |
| 20:09.45 | maquis | currently, i've got the router plugged into the modem, and my laptop on wireless connected to the router |
| 20:09.59 | vontrapp | and with the router, you can resolve hosts, but not get to them... |
| 20:10.51 | maquis | vontrapp: yeah |
| 20:10.53 | maquis | weirdness |
| 20:11.06 | vontrapp | perhaps the routes aren't set up properly |
| 20:11.13 | maquis | ??? |
| 20:12.03 | vontrapp | e.g. you have the address of the router as the DNS server and it resolves host names for you, but regular traffic doesn't route through it |
| 20:12.21 | vontrapp | but you usually don't see a router giving itself as a DNS server |
| 20:12.43 | maquis | i told it to get DNS from the ISP |
| 20:13.00 | vontrapp | can you ping the dns address? |
| 20:13.15 | maquis | i don't know what the dns address is |
| 20:14.05 | vontrapp | did you have the router configure itself with dhcp then? |
| 20:14.23 | vontrapp | maybe it's got a bad gateway |
| 20:14.38 | maquis | i told it to use dhcp |
| 20:14.56 | maquis | i assume that's how it's configuring itself |
| 20:15.03 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 20:16.18 | maquis | does anyone know of a good dns server that i could give the router? |
| 20:16.33 | vontrapp | 166.70.27.96 |
| 20:16.51 | vontrapp | that |
| 20:16.55 | vontrapp | 's falcon |
| 20:17.20 | maquis | doh |
| 20:17.38 | maquis | other computer isn't playing friendly at the moment, so i'm going to do it this way again |
| 20:21.38 | levi | maquis: So you've got the cable modem now, eh? |
| 20:22.20 | *** join/#utah {-} (n=sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 20:22.53 | *** join/#utah JoshH (i=josh@spanky.xmission.com) |
| 20:24.12 | {-} | ~lart my car |
| 20:24.35 | {-} | hmmmmmmm, a bit extreme |
| 20:24.49 | *** join/#utah bucky (n=bucky@pdpc/supporter/active/bucky) |
| 20:24.57 | {-} | sometimes I wonder if TimRiker sometimes pretends to be ibot when he's bored |
| 20:25.21 | bucky | it's a wonderful day in the neighborhood |
| 20:25.39 | bucky | one email to National Indian Education Association |
| 20:27.15 | maquis | levi: yup |
| 20:27.32 | maquis | unfortunately, i can't get it to do what i want |
| 20:27.43 | maquis | vontrapp: i'm trying, but the same results... |
| 20:27.57 | maquis | i tried saving my config, and restoring factory defaults, about to see how that works |
| 20:33.08 | maquis | hmmm |
| 20:33.17 | maquis | well, restoring factory defaults worked |
| 20:33.21 | maquis | go figure |
| 20:34.36 | bucky | ahh.. the phone number for the Southern Ute Tribal Chairmen, how convenient |
| 20:35.02 | maquis | bucky: what are you doing? |
| 20:36.07 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, why don't you get DSL |
| 20:36.34 | bucky | big moral agent of God bucky... is going to find out where all that money the billy ghana's stole from the school district went that was supposed to go to educating native americans |
| 20:37.59 | bucky | Boston College is 7-0 over BYU |
| 20:38.58 | vontrapp | go Boston College! |
| 20:40.34 | {-} | ~smack vontrapp |
| 20:40.35 | ibot | ACTION smacks vontrapp upside the head. |
| 20:40.42 | bucky | first down BC |
| 20:41.39 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: because my roommaes were already getting cable for the tv |
| 20:42.24 | maquis | c'mon... we can do it... |
| 20:42.24 | maquis | right? |
| 20:42.24 | maquis | wait... |
| 20:42.30 | maquis | didn't the game start like 15 minutes ago? |
| 20:42.34 | maquis | and we're already down? |
| 20:42.39 | maquis | and they have another 1st down? |
| 20:42.47 | bucky | no.. 10 minutes into the 2nd quarter |
| 20:42.51 | maquis | oh... |
| 20:42.54 | maquis | ok |
| 20:42.57 | maquis | that's better, then |
| 20:43.13 | maquis | i thought it started at 2:30 |
| 20:44.45 | {-} | the first quarter took ~5 minutes |
| 20:45.03 | maquis | ~lart {-} |
| 20:50.20 | {-} | ~hug google maps |
| 20:50.21 | ibot | ACTION hugs google maps |
| 20:51.32 | xbmodder_lappy | my teacher expects me to answer "26.Who would you like to go out with by the time you are a senior? |
| 20:51.32 | xbmodder_lappy | " |
| 20:51.47 | {-} | ~lart clover leaf exits |
| 20:53.08 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart {-} |
| 20:53.25 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart {-} for having a hard to type nick name |
| 20:53.31 | xbmodder_lappy | ~nickometer {-} |
| 20:53.38 | xbmodder_lappy | see |
| 20:53.44 | xbmodder_lappy | ~nickometer {-} |
| 20:53.52 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart {-} for having a hard to type nick name |
| 20:57.49 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah but { is two keys |
| 20:58.08 | xbmodder_lappy | 5 keys in 3 chars |
| 20:58.33 | bucky | xbmodder_lappy, maybe your teacher wants a date |
| 20:59.16 | xbmodder_lappy | the whole bay area through speakeasy is banned in #utah |
| 20:59.19 | xbmodder_lappy | bucky, -- yuck |
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| 21:04.06 | xbmodder_lappy | meh |
| 21:04.39 | xbmodder_lappy | beh |
| 21:04.40 | xbmodder_lappy | foo |
| 21:04.41 | xbmodder_lappy | the |
| 21:04.43 | xbmodder_lappy | lee |
| 21:10.33 | mheath | <xbmodder_lappy> yeah but { is two keys |
| 21:10.45 | mheath | Spoken like someone who never uses capitalization. |
| 21:12.21 | xbmodder_lappy | shift+[ |
| 21:12.30 | xbmodder_lappy | capitals make sense |
| 21:12.38 | xbmodder_lappy | /ignore mheath |
| 21:15.28 | xbmodder_lappy | yay |
| 21:16.27 | xbmodder_lappy | ~add lart chokes $who and watches him attempt to snort just because |
| 21:17.41 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy, I think you mistyped that. See, Xchat doesn't like "/ignore mheath" and ontop of that you accidentally put in two /'s ;P |
| 21:18.20 | {-} | the funny thing is, I've had xbmodder* /ignored for months now |
| 21:18.37 | {-} | I finally unignore him, and the first thing I see is /ignore mheath |
| 21:19.28 | mheath | I'm convinced that roughly half of the people who say they have me ignored don't. |
| 21:19.46 | xbmodder_lappy | lol I didn't |
| 21:20.12 | mheath | .... |
| 21:20.38 | mheath | xbmodder, please tell me you just didn't respond to me telling you you mistyped a command to ignore me by telling me you didn't mistype it. |
| 21:28.40 | levi | {-}: Sometimes I want to /ignore both of them, but I always decide against it. |
| 21:29.11 | mheath | levi, hopefully I'm not quite as bad as xbmodder :) |
| 21:30.01 | levi | mheath: Well, you're usually more on-topic, but you're quite often more apt to disagree for the sake of disagreement, or so it seems to me. |
| 21:30.44 | levi | Or say silly things like 'OOP makes programmers lazy' when you mean 'Utah Schools suck at teaching OOP' |
| 21:32.30 | *** join/#utah mheath (n=mheath@c-67-161-213-34.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 21:33.24 | mheath | That was odd. |
| 21:34.38 | levi | I wonder, with the current state of FPGA technology, if anyone is currently working on making soft-core CPUs tailored to run dynamic languages. |
| 21:35.32 | levi | At work, I program for a Linux system running on a CPU that's completely implemented inside a FPGA. |
| 21:35.34 | maquis | ~. |
| 21:35.35 | ibot | .. |
| 21:35.36 | {-} | levi: Have you seen the latest ACM Queue? |
| 21:35.48 | levi | {-}: Nope... is there something like that on there? |
| 21:36.01 | mheath | Anyone know what could be causing sudden rebooting? |
| 21:36.14 | mheath | Like...sitting there in firefox, my screen goes black, and I'm at my BIOS' POST? |
| 21:36.20 | levi | mheath: Bad hardware, bad software, or bad power. |
| 21:36.23 | {-} | No, but your comment reminded me of it. Talking about the move toward multiple lower power cores per die and the change in programming approaches it'll require. |
| 21:36.39 | mheath | levi, bad software would have to be kernel level....and this is Linux... |
| 21:36.42 | mheath | I know its not power |
| 21:36.57 | mheath | And hardware can really cause sudden rebooting? |
| 21:37.06 | mheath | I know hardware problems can cause freezing and malfunctioning....\ |
| 21:37.08 | levi | mheath: Linux has bugs, too. |
| 21:37.25 | mheath | But just spontaneously rebooting, then working fine? |
| 21:37.33 | {-} | levi: Not back in the 2.2 kernel days it didn't! |
| 21:37.40 | mheath | levi, Well, I know... |
| 21:37.56 | mheath | levi, but this is a really weird problem, and I trust linux enough that its the last possibility I'm going to turn to |
| 21:37.57 | levi | maquis: Finished exploring your Egyptian side? |
| 21:38.07 | {-} | mheath: Something that sudden, I strongly suspect power. Perhaps a failing power supply. |
| 21:38.15 | maquis | levi: just trying to see if any of them were available |
| 21:38.18 | levi | mheath: Well, then yes, bad hardware could do it. |
| 21:39.08 | levi | mheath: Imagine a kernel memory location containing a function pointer suddenly getting corrupted. |
| 21:39.57 | mheath | levi, possible, but what are the chances it would get corrupted in exactly the right way for a reset instruction to be sent to the proc? |
| 21:40.20 | maquis | sekhmet wa already in use |
| 21:40.33 | maquis | i didn't think anyone would have that already |
| 21:40.55 | levi | {-}: Custom architecture was very successful in the days of the Lisp machine, but due to how expensive it is to create custom ASICs or full-blown CPUs compared to general-purpose ones manufactured at scale, it lost its market viability. |
| 21:41.57 | levi | {-}: But FPGAs are cheap, and you can now put a CPU in them. So, this would open up a whole new class of programming languages to embedded development. |
| 21:42.21 | {-} | levi: perhaps it's time for you to think about a startup of your own |
| 21:44.07 | levi | {-}: Well, I think I'm going to write my research paper this term on advances in computer languages and how they might be put to use to improve reliability of software. |
| 21:45.29 | levi | {-}: Something like cpu-enforced type checking could be a big win there. |
| 21:48.14 | {-} | What the? http://www.fuddruckers.com/ serves up google's home page |
| 21:49.02 | maquis | someone else had that earlier today |
| 21:49.04 | levi | {-}: You heard the story behind that, right? |
| 21:49.13 | {-} | yup |
| 21:49.14 | maquis | levi: i didn't |
| 21:49.20 | {-} | just wanted to see it myself |
| 21:49.29 | maquis | what's the story? |
| 21:49.59 | levi | maquis: Somewhere on their site, they linked (via an undecorated pop-up) to some random guy's flash-based Burger Time clone. |
| 21:50.17 | maquis | uh huh.... |
| 21:50.36 | maquis | (why?) |
| 21:50.52 | levi | maquis: He got ticked off and changed his page to launch a bunch of pop-ups insulting the web designer for Fuddruckers and redirect to a bunch of pictures of slaughterhouses. |
| 21:51.28 | maquis | ok... |
| 21:51.32 | maquis | and then? |
| 21:51.46 | {-} | it was announced on slashdot, guess they couldn't handle the load |
| 21:51.54 | levi | Well, it's unclear exactly what happened after that. |
| 21:52.06 | levi | Somehow their DNS got redirected to google's ip. |
| 21:52.18 | maquis | ah... |
| 21:52.28 | maquis | well.. nothing's loading for me when i try to go there |
| 21:52.30 | maquis | and... |
| 21:52.46 | maquis | i still don't understand why they had a link to a burger time clone |
| 21:52.49 | levi | Whether Fuddruckers did that or some third party hacker is unknown. |
| 21:53.09 | {-} | maquis: to drive traffic to their site |
| 21:53.14 | levi | maquis: They're a burger joint. They wanted to link to a game about burgers. What doesn't make sense there? |
| 21:53.20 | {-} | but they shouldn't have acted like it was theirs |
| 21:53.43 | {-} | and they really shouldn't have used someone else's bandwidth while acting like it was theirs |
| 21:54.14 | maquis | ah |
| 21:54.56 | levi | Well, there was a lot of fuzziness in the ethical analysis of the behaviors of both sides. |
| 21:55.25 | {-} | heh |
| 21:55.45 | {-} | you're saying the showing pictures of slaughterhouses and flooding people with popups might not be ethical? |
| 21:56.51 | levi | It wasn't quite a 'hotlink', like an embedded image. And the thumbnail image for the link to it did have the real author's name and web address. But it opened in a pop-up rather than a regular window, so the URL wasn't apparent in the actual frame it opened in. |
| 21:58.14 | levi | {-}: In that particular situation, I don't think it was a very ethical response. |
| 21:59.17 | {-} | so you're saying that using someone else's bandwidth to get back at fuddruckers for using his bandwidth was a little hypocritical? |
| 21:59.21 | {-} | shocking! |
| 21:59.27 | xbmodder_lappy | (14:22:25) XXXXstrawberiXX: UR SOO MEAN #####What does that mean? |
| 22:00.10 | xbmodder_lappy | I dono why she thinks I am mean |
| 22:00.29 | maquis | ummm |
| 22:00.31 | maquis | what'd you do? |
| 22:00.56 | xbmodder_lappy | Cool. Saturday school - yuck.Dance sounds good. So this german guy? Where is he from? Is he nice looking? Does he already like someone, ya know? Do you like any other guys? Get a picture of yourself. I wanna see :). Descibe yourself: hair colour, (shouldn't ask what I was going to ask -- bad idea), sizes -- if you know what I mean ;-), yeah whatever you wanna list. Sweet kohala football :). Do you have a hella nice stadium? Umm yeah :! |
| 22:01.05 | xbmodder_lappy | sent her that e-mail :-/ |
| 22:01.41 | xbmodder_lappy | maybe the: sizes -- if you know what I mean ;- |
| 22:02.01 | levi | Well, I'm afraid it made you sound incredibly stupid. |
| 22:02.15 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, how so? |
| 22:03.22 | xbmodder_lappy | she initially sent me: """Hey Its Katie talking to you during saturday school. Um.......Can't waitfor the dance tonight:-) Might get to go to a Kohala football game!!! Yea um so.....can'tthink of anything else towrite so ah yea talk to you l8er""" |
| 22:04.26 | JoshH | if she doesn't already have you blocked from her email/im/whatever that was, i would be shocked |
| 22:04.34 | levi | Well, you can be sure of one thing: We're not interested here. |
| 22:04.46 | maquis | ummm |
| 22:04.48 | maquis | er... |
| 22:04.50 | maquis | umm |
| 22:05.15 | JoshH | ~lart maquis |
| 22:05.52 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 22:07.53 | {-} | JoshH: I doubt it. You forget xbmodder is 14 or 15 so she probably is too. Probably not mature enough to realize she should ignore him for being a jerk. And at any rate, if he'd better a little smoother he might have been able to pull it off. |
| 22:07.57 | {-} | Sad, but true. |
| 22:08.11 | xbmodder_lappy | ok |
| 22:08.23 | xbmodder_lappy | thanks guys/girls/its |
| 22:08.30 | JoshH | ya, true |
| 22:09.14 | {-} | xbmodder_lappy: just because other guys (especially your age) are jerks doesn't mean you should be too |
| 22:09.32 | xbmodder_lappy | {-}, I really did not mean too -- |
| 22:09.39 | JoshH | i wouldnt say you were a jerk |
| 22:10.05 | JoshH | just immature, which is normal, like he said |
| 22:11.19 | xbmodder_lappy | Ok. |
| 22:11.41 | xbmodder_lappy | So I don't have to spend hours redeeming myself? |
| 22:12.02 | {-} | there are young jerks because they don't know better yet, and their are old jerks that refuse to learn |
| 22:12.15 | {-} | the first is forgiveable, the second isn't |
| 22:12.36 | xbmodder_lappy | you mean first as young and second as in old? |
| 22:12.42 | {-} | yup |
| 22:12.49 | xbmodder_lappy | Hey I am alot better than I was quite a few months ago. |
| 22:13.39 | {-} | It's a tough age with a lot to learn all at once. |
| 22:19.09 | tuple | levi: I used darwin ports or fink. I'm thinking ports |
| 22:19.10 | levi | {-}: Car problems, eh? Where do you live, and why do you have to go to SLC to see a movie? |
| 22:19.14 | tuple | port install tetex |
| 22:19.29 | xbmodder_lappy | {-}, why can't you use bit torrent? |
| 22:19.46 | {-} | levi: Bountiful/North Salt Lake. Starter problems. |
| 22:19.55 | levi | tuple: Hmm. I ended up using some gui package installer thing for a tetex install. |
| 22:20.05 | levi | {-}: Ah, I was up in North Salt Lake last night. |
| 22:20.07 | {-} | The Bountiful theater is a joke. Closest good theater is Salt Lake or Layton. |
| 22:20.46 | tuple | so qwest says I'm provisioned at 1024 up, and their "real" measurement is somewhere in the 800s, but _my_ measurements never break 256k |
| 22:20.55 | levi | {-}: A friend of my wife was throwing a surprise birthday party for a mutual friend of theirs. Luckily, the party host had a computer with World of Warcraft, so I didn't have to be bored. :) |
| 22:21.02 | emcnabb | {-}, it really is horrible |
| 22:21.08 | tuple | might xmission be throttling me? (probably not on purpose, in which case that's an easy fix) |
| 22:21.13 | xbmodder_lappy | tuple, that sucks |
| 22:21.36 | tuple | but what really stinks is that qos should be working anyway, but it's not, so I've got a problem with my script. |
| 22:21.37 | levi | tuple: Did you get set up for the big bandwidth at xmission? |
| 22:21.55 | tuple | well i'm getting nearly 1.5m down so I think so |
| 22:23.09 | xbmodder_lappy | who runs xmission? |
| 22:23.18 | levi | {-}: Funny thing was, everyone else there was single, and despite the fact that I was trying to avoid social contact, this one girl kept coming in and (very mildly) hitting on me. |
| 22:23.34 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, and... |
| 22:23.52 | tuple | the dang orcs kept kicking his trash |
| 22:24.13 | tuple | or whoever the enemy is in that game. never played it |
| 22:24.29 | levi | It was the danged kobolds! |
| 22:25.17 | levi | I really didn't pay much attention to the girl, although I was polite enough that, apparently, she was left with the impression that I'm a nice guy. |
| 22:25.32 | levi | <- Nice Guy |
| 22:26.02 | levi | My wife and her friend got a huge kick out of it after the party was over. |
| 22:28.16 | levi | Anyway, perhaps the anecdote was not as amusing to you as it was to me. |
| 22:29.15 | levi | But, wow, the girl had roommates who played D&D, and one of them was planning on getting married dressed up in medieval costume or something. |
| 22:29.45 | levi | She kept telling me how 'weeeird' this was, and I had to agree. |
| 22:30.20 | levi | mheath: Make sure to wash your hands after using the lavatory! |
| 22:30.59 | xbmodder_lappy | yay she does not hate me :_ |
| 22:31.00 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
| 22:31.30 | tuple | doh. it was my qos script |
| 22:31.41 | levi | tuple: Oops. |
| 22:32.04 | tuple | the really annoying thing of course is that it wasn't doing qos properly either |
| 22:32.21 | levi | That does indeed sound annoying. |
| 22:32.28 | {-} | levi: I found your story mildly amusing. Imaging you there, playing WoW, trying to avoid not squirming as she talked to you. |
| 22:32.29 | tuple | but it is supposed to throttle (the idea is _you_ want to do the queueing, not the modem) |
| 22:33.04 | xbmodder_lappy | tuple, are you pretty good with QoS scripts? |
| 22:33.06 | levi | {-}: Tsk, watch your double negatives. ;) |
| 22:33.17 | xbmodder_lappy | tuple, like do you know how to set'em up? |
| 22:33.21 | {-} | And my spelling. |
| 22:34.23 | tuple | xbmodder_lappy: apparently not |
| 22:35.08 | xbmodder_lappy | tuple, what script do you use? |
| 22:35.28 | levi | {-}: The only time I felt like squirming is when the birthday girl came up and gave me a hug before she left. Which was silly, but it was very late and my higher brain functions had mostly shut off. |
| 22:35.49 | {-} | nothing apparently |
| 22:38.01 | tuple | this with very minor modifications: http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=QoS+Linux |
| 22:38.34 | tuple | i _should_ have the bandwidth to spare at the moment, so I'll take my time and learn qos real good and write my own script, since that one failed me. |
| 22:38.52 | tuple | but now, I get to set up ldap replication |
| 22:39.01 | {-} | ick |
| 22:39.33 | {-} | openldap? slurpd or sync repl? |
| 22:39.35 | tuple | ick is a relative term |
| 22:39.38 | tuple | slurpd |
| 22:39.41 | tuple | openldap yeah. |
| 22:39.58 | tuple | the ick part was the three days (of an hour or two a day) trying to get openldap installed on the slave |
| 22:40.02 | tuple | ~lart suse |
| 22:40.18 | {-} | work or personal? |
| 22:40.28 | tuple | work. unless there's a version conflict, this part should go smoothly. |
| 22:40.44 | tuple | if I have to get a recent version of openldap installed, I don't knoww aht I'm going to have to do |
| 22:41.12 | {-} | ah, 'cause if it were personal and could afford some bumps I was going to suggest sync repl |
| 22:41.16 | tuple | I'd have to upgrade bdb, but there's a dozen packages depending on the current version of bdb, and I'm not sure where I'd find an rpm anyway. |
| 22:44.09 | levi | tuple: Where are you working now? |
| 22:44.42 | tuple | still working with wencor, remote |
| 22:44.55 | tuple | in two weeks I convert to contractor, then I start diversifying |
| 22:45.02 | levi | Heh. That name still makes me chuckle. |
| 22:45.17 | tuple | (right now I'm drying up my vacation) |
| 22:45.45 | tuple | wencor, or tuple? |
| 22:45.54 | levi | wencor |
| 22:46.56 | tuple | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.24 | levi | "Heh heh, goodbye you bunch of wencors!" |
| 22:47.45 | tuple | lol |
| 22:47.46 | {-} | got the email this morning! |
| 22:48.01 | tuple | you got an email freeing you of debt? |
| 22:48.06 | tuple | like a debtor's dear john? |
| 22:48.07 | levi | Forward it to me! |
| 22:48.21 | tuple | i'll forward it to all of my friends! |
| 22:48.28 | tuple | they'll love to be debt-free |
| 22:48.33 | tuple | oh wait, you are all of my friends |
| 22:48.40 | {-} | email informing me my account had an new electronic document, but close enough |
| 22:49.03 | {-} | tuple: I'm sure you wife likes you too. |
| 22:49.45 | {-} | And I haven't heard levi say anything nasty about for you for... oh... days now. |
| 22:49.53 | tuple | ok, i was exaggerating |
| 22:50.06 | tuple | not you you |
| 22:50.11 | tuple | you y'all |
| 22:50.28 | levi | Yes, I assumed you were using the plural 'you'. |
| 22:50.41 | tuple | {-} of course took the more conceited wordlview |
| 22:50.57 | levi | {-}: It's all about YOU, eh? |
| 22:51.14 | {-} | It's not? |
| 22:52.25 | {-} | Speaking of me, I'm hungry. |
| 22:53.31 | levi | I am to, and so I just got myself a couple of cookies. |
| 22:59.07 | tuple | mmm, sourdough bread\ |
| 22:59.17 | tuple | an exceptional loaf this time, I might add |
| 22:59.25 | tuple | although the crust looks a bit anemic |
| 23:00.15 | levi | Hmm. Maybe I could talk my wife into making some more ciabatta. |
| 23:00.24 | *** join/#utah bucky (n=bucky@pdpc/supporter/active/bucky) |
| 23:00.36 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 23:00.37 | xbmodder_lappy | back I am |
| 23:03.08 | *** join/#utah synic (n=synic@67-42-16-94.slkc.qwest.net) |
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| 23:07.54 | levi | maquis: Call and find out! |
| 23:09.01 | maquis | levi: i cold |
| 23:09.07 | tuple | don't listen to him, use the internet! |
| 23:09.25 | maquis | but i think i might just use this as an excuse to get to the stores today instead of putting it off til monday |
| 23:09.38 | bucky | don't call on Sunday.. that makes people have to work on Sunday |
| 23:09.44 | tuple | do you owe a sacrifice to the stores? |
| 23:09.59 | tuple | bucky must be across the international date line |
| 23:10.28 | bucky | let guilt guide your conscience |
| 23:11.03 | tuple | this doesn't bode well: # slapadd -l /tmp/db.ldif |
| 23:11.03 | tuple | slapadd: could not parse entry (line=13) |
| 23:11.17 | xbmodder_lappy | tuple, whats line 13? |
| 23:11.30 | tuple | the line after the entry |
| 23:11.45 | bucky | vi /tmp/db.ldif +13 |
| 23:12.09 | tuple | I could paste all 13 lines if that makes you feel better |
| 23:12.14 | tuple | but line 13 is blank, I'm telling you |
| 23:12.28 | bucky | haha |
| 23:12.49 | tuple | it's just saying something about the entry it doesn't like, but it's not saying what. |
| 23:13.10 | tuple | but my guess is it must be something that changed from openldap 2.0 to 2.1 (slave is 2.0, master is 2.1) |
| 23:14.25 | bucky | i think you just have a typo |
| 23:15.10 | tuple | it would be slapcat's typo |
| 23:15.32 | bucky | version mismatch is likely.. like you said |
| 23:17.47 | {-} | anyone know if a dying battery can be confused with a bad starter? |
| 23:18.29 | tuple | depends on who |
| 23:18.40 | tuple | obviously, a dying battery would cause starting problems |
| 23:18.54 | tuple | but you could probably tell, if you know how a dying battery sounds |
| 23:19.08 | tuple | (cranks slower) |
| 23:19.32 | levi | {-}: What are your specific symptoms? |
| 23:19.34 | tuple | giving the battery juice and trying again is a good way to eliminate the theory too |
| 23:19.37 | {-} | had a my car into the shop earlier today, they said my starter was bad but they couldn't fix it today |
| 23:19.55 | {-} | but I had to jump my car just a few minutes ago |
| 23:20.17 | levi | If jumping it makes a difference, I would strongly suspect the battery. |
| 23:20.25 | {-} | starting this morning, my car wouldn't star when I first turned the key, but electical came on |
| 23:20.40 | levi | Have you tried taking the battery to AutoZone? |
| 23:20.41 | {-} | after turn the key two or three times, the engine started |
| 23:20.59 | levi | I've had that happen with a bad battery, too. |
| 23:21.00 | {-} | took it the the mechanic, they said starter |
| 23:21.09 | tuple | well starters are more money |
| 23:21.15 | tuple | and more labor |
| 23:21.19 | {-} | 15 minutes ago, started first try, drove very short distance |
| 23:21.46 | {-} | 3 minutes ago, even electrical didn't come on, had to jump it |
| 23:22.06 | {-} | tuple: yeah, but that'd be a bummer 'cause so far I trust this shop |
| 23:22.18 | bucky | {-}, if a weak battery falls below 9 volts the microprocessor shutsdown in fuel injected cars |
| 23:22.36 | tuple | sure sounds like a battery problem to me |
| 23:22.45 | tuple | can you swap the battery out with a friends? |
| 23:22.55 | tuple | no, you can't use mine. |
| 23:23.02 | {-} | I could ask emcnabb ... |
| 23:23.03 | bucky | put a volt meter across the battery posts and have a friend crank it over.. if it's below 9 V it won't start |
| 23:23.37 | bucky | a fully charged battery should show at least 12.5 V with the engine off |
| 23:26.58 | {-} | bah, why couldn't this have happened wednesday? |
| 23:27.21 | bucky | save gas? |
| 23:27.22 | tuple | it could have |
| 23:27.42 | {-} | if it'd happened during the week, I could have addressed it whatever the problem |
| 23:27.50 | tuple | in another universe you'd have been wishing it happened on saturday |
| 23:27.52 | {-} | as it stands, I have to catch a flight 6:30 am monday |
| 23:27.59 | bucky | got a bicycle? |
| 23:28.09 | tuple | bike to the airport. that's good for your health |
| 23:28.26 | {-} | bucky: no way my carry on bags are going to fit on a bike, let alone me making it to the airport on time |
| 23:28.51 | tuple | make sure to mount a camera on the handlebars. that way we can get the license of the guy that runs you down |
| 23:28.56 | {-} | unless I can convince them to let me sleep in the terminal... |
| 23:29.39 | bucky | {-}, you must have friends that would love to get up at 5:00 AM to get you to the airport on a Holiday morning? |
| 23:34.51 | {-} | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.52 | bucky | i'm on the bucky diet... i don't eat any food unless i bring it home on my bicycle in my backpack |
| 23:34.53 | tuple | ok, I have a src rpm of openldap 2.1. might as well try to build it. how does one do that? |
| 23:35.16 | {-} | rpmbuild --rebuild *.src.rpm |
| 23:35.33 | tuple | bash: rpmbuild: command not found |
| 23:35.43 | bucky | oh.. we're in SuSE land now! |
| 23:35.55 | {-} | If it's an older version of RPM, then rpm --rebuild *.src.rpm |
| 23:36.15 | tuple | all that said was |
| 23:36.16 | tuple | Installing openldap2-2.1.4-48.src.rpm |
| 23:36.33 | tuple | $? was 2 |
| 23:37.20 | tuple | rpm-devel maybe. but it's installed |
| 23:37.20 | bucky | man rpm.. it might be rpm -b or something |
| 23:37.42 | tuple | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.50 | tuple | is what the manpage says |
| 23:37.54 | bucky | http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/11793.html |
| 23:38.05 | bucky | suse rewrote the build process |
| 23:38.13 | bucky | afaik |
| 23:38.13 | tuple | wasn't that thoughtful |
| 23:38.40 | bucky | we don't want it to be too much like linux |
| 23:39.01 | tuple | yuk |
| 23:39.01 | {-} | rpmbuild is part of rpm on sl9.3 at least |
| 23:39.17 | tuple | ok, maybe I will call this defeat for the day |
| 23:39.26 | tuple | regroup on monday. maybe use a different server |
| 23:39.56 | {-} | well will you look at that, guess I've never tried to build an src.rpm on sles |
| 23:39.59 | tuple | and lart suse a few times for good measure. word to the wise. unitedlinux 1.0 (sles 8): don't |
| 23:40.16 | tuple | i don't have this build thing either |
| 23:40.40 | tuple | might be changed even still from sles8 |
| 23:41.27 | maquis | question: where's the cheapest place in provo to buy cd-rs |
| 23:41.28 | maquis | ? |
| 23:41.38 | tuple | probably sams or costco |
| 23:43.34 | {-} | compusa when they have a special |
| 23:44.23 | maquis | but that seems like a lot still |
| 23:44.40 | tuple | it does |
| 23:44.47 | bucky | tuple, rpm -bb foobar-1.0.spec ? |
| 23:45.28 | tuple | i think my stack of 100 I got at costco iirc, worked out to somewhere in the 5-10 cents per cd range |
| 23:45.34 | tuple | maybe after a rebate. that was so long ago |
| 23:46.32 | bucky | don't make people work on the sabbath |
| 23:51.13 | bucky | tuple, yep SuSE has gone to the build.rpm based rebuild way of dealing with srpms |