| 00:17.49 | hans | Bradipo: no comment :) |
| 00:19.54 | *** join/#utah spr (n=spr@c-24-10-237-76.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 00:22.47 | hans | i gave fair warning. the masses want reply-to, the masses can control themselves. it's simple. |
| 00:23.31 | sjansen | ~lart hans for abusing his power |
| 00:24.43 | hans | maybe I'm trying to get impeached |
| 00:24.53 | sjansen | ~impeach hans |
| 00:25.15 | hans | i'm nowhere near provo anymore, after all |
| 00:25.25 | sjansen | how does one impeach a dictator? ... burn him! |
| 00:25.52 | sjansen | ~burn hans |
| 00:25.53 | ibot | ibot pours gasoline all over hans, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 00:25.53 | hans | consider it a lesson in foreign relations |
| 00:29.58 | *** join/#utah dataw0lf- (n=dataw0lf@c-24-10-173-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 00:55.02 | goozbach | how odd |
| 00:55.40 | goozbach | I only realized it when I sent an email to a list I'm subscribed to and it didn't come back at the top of the client |
| 00:56.06 | goozbach | fozz is working towards the future, and I'm working towards the past |
| 00:56.12 | tene | hehe |
| 00:56.57 | *** join/#utah drewbono (n=andrew@c-24-2-95-76.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 00:58.33 | *** join/#utah wps (n=wade@65.73.113.199) |
| 00:58.45 | goozbach | found my problem... I'm on GMT +16 |
| 00:58.53 | goozbach | how did that happen? |
| 00:59.45 | tene | Magic! |
| 01:04.01 | *** join/#utah markl_ (i=mark@dsl093-225-127.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 01:18.20 | *** join/#utah xbmodder_lappy (i=nobody@unaffiliated/xbmodder) |
| 01:18.28 | Maquis | impeach hans! |
| 01:18.30 | xbmodder_lappy | hey ya all |
| 01:18.33 | Maquis | (why are we impeaching him? |
| 01:18.33 | xbmodder_lappy | i hate java |
| 01:18.34 | Maquis | ) |
| 01:18.51 | xbmodder_lappy | Maquis, its ok now. |
| 01:19.00 | RyanE | he changed the reply-to header on the mailing list because of the flamewar. |
| 01:20.31 | xbmodder_lappy | I hart you all -- unlike java |
| 01:20.39 | xbmodder_lappy | I hate java |
| 01:20.49 | Maquis | ~impeach hans |
| 01:21.11 | SpecialK | but java is your friend. You don't really hate java. |
| 01:21.23 | SpecialK | It cleans up after your messes. |
| 01:21.30 | Maquis | wait... flamewar? |
| 01:21.33 | Maquis | doh! |
| 01:22.09 | SpecialK | uug isn't liable to have a flamewar considering present traffic |
| 01:22.22 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
| 01:23.56 | *** join/#utah sjansen (n=sjansen@001-785-513.area1.spcsdns.net) |
| 01:23.58 | RyanE | java is not MY friend. |
| 01:24.19 | sjansen | Missed how that started, but I'm going to agree with RyanE |
| 01:24.51 | dataw0lf- | that's how it started. |
| 01:30.00 | SpecialK | http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ |
| 01:30.21 | SpecialK | reports from a datacenter in Downtown New Orleans |
| 01:33.10 | *** join/#utah JoshH (n=josh@josh.dsl.aros.net) |
| 01:40.17 | goozbach | that's kinda freaking cool |
| 01:40.58 | sjansen | "kinda freaking"? |
| 01:42.31 | goozbach | like freaking but not quite |
| 01:42.39 | goozbach | not entirely unlike freaking cool |
| 01:43.03 | xbmodder_lappy | I get this error whenever I run most gnome apps: *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x082830b0 *** |
| 01:43.07 | xbmodder_lappy | ouch it is |
| 01:43.10 | goozbach | in a sick sadist sort of way |
| 02:05.22 | Maquis | huh? |
| 02:06.18 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 02:06.18 | Maquis | now i t comes up |
| 02:06.37 | SpecialK | Earlier you couldn't access off campus sites |
| 02:06.47 | SpecialK | Problem with some router or something |
| 02:12.56 | Maquis | blargh |
| 02:23.07 | xbmodder_lappy | hey ya! |
| 02:30.11 | xbmodder_lappy | 145 lines |
| 02:37.02 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (n=emcnabb@12.22.7.2) |
| 02:44.12 | *** join/#utah drewbono (n=andrew@c-24-2-95-76.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 02:46.32 | *** join/#utah fozzmoo (n=fozz@166.70.238.250) |
| 02:47.28 | xbmodder_lappy | ~poll |
| 02:47.29 | ibot | Script for automating Fidonet polls. URL: http://www.drmach.demon.co.uk/vashti/software/index.html |
| 02:47.30 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 02:47.52 | *** join/#utah usynic (n=synic@pdpc/supporter/student/synic) |
| 02:49.38 | goozbach | bbbhowdy fozz |
| 02:49.59 | fozzmoo | Moo! |
| 02:50.17 | goozbach | longtimenosee |
| 02:50.25 | fozzmoo | Yeah. Been real busy. |
| 02:50.30 | fozzmoo | Probably shoudln't be here now. |
| 02:50.30 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 02:50.45 | goozbach | hows the new office treating you? |
| 02:50.50 | fozzmoo | It's good! |
| 02:51.37 | *** join/#utah synic (n=synic@pdpc/supporter/student/synic) |
| 02:51.47 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Where yat? |
| 02:51.54 | goozbach | cali |
| 02:52.03 | fozzmoo | What ya teachin? |
| 02:52.14 | goozbach | next to disneyland |
| 02:52.18 | goozbach | rh300 |
| 02:56.41 | xbmodder_lappy | you teached anything in hawaii? |
| 02:56.49 | xbmodder_lappy | I need to get an RHCA :-/ |
| 02:57.00 | xbmodder_lappy | *need money to get an RHCA |
| 02:57.22 | fozzmoo | Get a job at GL, xbmodder |
| 02:57.48 | *** join/#utah Newsome (n=sorenson@216-190-206-130.customer.csolutions.net) |
| 02:58.00 | Maquis | Newsome: hi |
| 02:58.06 | Newsome | hi |
| 02:58.14 | Maquis | how goes it? |
| 02:58.41 | Newsome | not bad, now that all the troublemakers^Wprofessors went home |
| 02:59.11 | Maquis | do they really cause trouble? |
| 02:59.28 | xbmodder_lappy | fozzmoo, yeah aren't they in Utah and btw: iirc you need to be over 18 to be a RedHat certified examiner |
| 02:59.58 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.02 | xbmodder_lappy | yum |
| 03:00.22 | fozzmoo | xbmodder_lappy: Well, you can plan ahead then. :) |
| 03:00.57 | Newsome | yup. We got an email (3rd day of class) asking us to install 3 new software packages. He didn't realize we had rolled out the image _before_ school started. |
| 03:01.53 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 03:21.54 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (n=emcnabb@12.22.7.2) |
| 03:33.53 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (n=timr@rikers.org) |
| 03:33.53 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 03:38.49 | *** join/#utah levi (n=levi@levi.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 03:46.32 | Maquis | goozbach: sup? |
| 03:46.51 | goozbach | just people watching here at the mall |
| 03:47.03 | Maquis | fun |
| 03:47.28 | goozbach | so-cal girls = teh hotness |
| 03:48.09 | fozzmoo | walking cesspool of diseases? |
| 03:48.29 | goozbach | what I need to do is hook up with a flight attendant.. |
| 03:48.53 | fozzmoo | There you go. Flying cesspools... never mind. |
| 03:48.57 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 03:49.34 | goozbach | then it wouldn't suck when we only see each other only on the weekends |
| 03:49.57 | Maquis | ~lart goozbach |
| 03:50.05 | fozzmoo | PERFECT! |
| 03:50.23 | goozbach | THATS LART |
| 03:50.39 | goozbach | er THATS a lart |
| 03:51.21 | hans | someone set us up the lart |
| 03:52.09 | hans | oh man. there's two levis on plug now, and I'm going to be royally confused |
| 03:53.03 | fozzmoo | They are the Levites. |
| 03:53.33 | xbmodder_lappy | I think I am losing my sanity :-/ |
| 03:53.46 | goozbach | losing??? :) |
| 03:53.55 | fozzmoo | You can't lose what you never had. :) |
| 03:55.01 | xbmodder_lappy | fozzmoo, are to the new jokster of #utah? |
| 03:55.12 | goozbach | ~enlighten maquis |
| 03:55.28 | fozzmoo | I've been on a roll or something today ever since the $4/gal thread on the plug list. |
| 03:55.30 | goozbach | new??? |
| 03:56.07 | goozbach | fozz has been ripping up IRC since before you were born |
| 03:56.11 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 03:56.23 | fozzmoo | "Back in my day..." |
| 03:56.39 | fozzmoo | "... we used bitnet relay, not Internet relay." :) |
| 03:57.18 | *** join/#utah sjansen (n=sjansen@001-785-513.area1.spcsdns.net) |
| 03:58.24 | fozzmoo | I'm listening to yesterday's Rush Limbaugh show. |
| 03:58.24 | sjansen | goozbach: so where are you this week? |
| 03:58.42 | mheath | Heh, the google groups timeline has the first mention of IRC |
| 03:58.44 | goozbach | aneheim |
| 03:58.58 | sjansen | oh, yeah |
| 03:58.59 | mheath | Talking about it as some obscure piece of CLI software available on some little ftp site |
| 03:59.18 | fozzmoo | He's talking about the media is critical of National Guard troops being deployed in Iraq when there's a national emergency (the hurricane). |
| 03:59.58 | goozbach | dont start that again |
| 04:00.06 | mheath | fozzmoo, what a moron. |
| 04:00.12 | mheath | (which is why I don't ever listen to his show) |
| 04:00.29 | fozzmoo | mheath: No, he's actually quite smart. |
| 04:00.45 | mheath | You've got plenty of National Guard troops available. Plus you have the Navy Seabees who can help with something like this |
| 04:00.47 | fozzmoo | Very good at explaining things. |
| 04:00.53 | mheath | We have plenty of troops available to help with this |
| 04:01.01 | fozzmoo | mheath: Yes, that's the point Rush is making. |
| 04:01.22 | mheath | fozzmoo, Oh! I'm sorry, I misread what you said. |
| 04:01.23 | fozzmoo | Sorry, that's the point "the moron" is making. :) |
| 04:01.26 | goozbach | mmmmm. expensive meat |
| 04:01.47 | mheath | I thought you said he was being critical of National Guard troops being deployed....sorry, I'm very tired. |
| 04:02.31 | fozzmoo | it's pretty funny, tho, if you believe what CNN was saying, the guard shoudl have been in LA and MS guarding the gulf coast from the Hurricane in the first place. :) |
| 04:02.54 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Open your eyes bigger. |
| 04:02.58 | mheath | I wonder if they'll deploy some Seabee batallions..... |
| 04:03.00 | {-} | Any time the words "Rush Limbaugh" and "the media" are in the same sentence, you'll know Rush is opposed to what "the media" said. |
| 04:03.01 | goozbach | s/me/him/ |
| 04:03.06 | mheath | They help a LOT with disasters in foreign countries |
| 04:03.13 | fozzmoo | {-}: The "mainstream media" |
| 04:03.46 | goozbach | fozz: methinks she noticed but is playing it off... |
| 04:03.47 | fozzmoo | {-}: But last week, he approved of Matt Lauer's interview with Cindy Sheehan... |
| 04:04.15 | goozbach | the bigeyes thing mmust of worked... thanks |
| 04:04.17 | levi | Ow, 80 unread emails on plug. |
| 04:04.22 | mheath | I hate protestors like Cindy Sheehan |
| 04:04.34 | fozzmoo | Lauer asked if Cindy would feel different if her son had been killed in Afghanistan. |
| 04:04.40 | levi | Stupid OT - Gas to hit 4.00 thread. |
| 04:04.41 | fozzmoo | She was like, "No. It's all the same to me." |
| 04:04.42 | mheath | If you dislike the war, theres so much more productive ways to protest it than what shes doing..... |
| 04:05.30 | fozzmoo | And then she said Bush shoudl have gone after Al Qaeda or Osama Bin Laden instead of going after the whole country of Afghanistan. |
| 04:05.43 | mheath | fozzmoo, haha. I supposed she missed the memo on how most people supported the afghanistan operation :) |
| 04:05.45 | {-} | levi: don't bother reading them |
| 04:05.56 | fozzmoo | Kind of like going after Hitler instead of Germany. |
| 04:06.11 | levi | <{-}>: But they're plug messages! I have to! |
| 04:06.23 | fozzmoo | But... plug! |
| 04:06.37 | fozzmoo | levi: Just read mine. :) |
| 04:06.46 | fozzmoo | I had so much fun! |
| 04:06.47 | {-} | plug is going down hill and I lead the charge |
| 04:06.51 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 04:06.57 | mheath | I read that gas is currently at 4.something in Florida. |
| 04:07.07 | {-} | but no more! |
| 04:07.17 | fozzmoo | {-}: I got stuck at a client site today and wasn't able to come over to GL. Sorry. |
| 04:07.33 | {-} | fozzmoo: I'll never forgive you. |
| 04:07.40 | goozbach | fozz whacha going to gl fer? |
| 04:07.44 | Maquis | ~lart {-} |
| 04:08.04 | fozzmoo | To beg for forgiveness for missing {-}'s SLLUG presentation by hand-feeding him Linux stickers. |
| 04:08.40 | {-} | they're edible... well, in that case you're forgiven |
| 04:08.41 | levi | Eww, Andy used fake-quotes. |
| 04:08.43 | goozbach | ahhh |
| 04:11.30 | goozbach | i love tjis bread |
| 04:12.07 | {-} | you're eating at 9 at night? |
| 04:12.43 | {-} | enjoying anaheim too much? couldn't get a table any earlier? |
| 04:12.54 | {-} | that's probably why she's avoiding you |
| 04:13.05 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Why you look so geeky? |
| 04:13.20 | fozzmoo | Are you wearing your "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" t-shirt? |
| 04:13.38 | goozbach | starwars book on the bench next to me... and pecking away furiously on my treo |
| 04:13.45 | {-} | he's sitting at a restraunt table, alone, madly squinting at and typing on his cell phone |
| 04:14.10 | goozbach | yeh the squinting thing too |
| 04:14.23 | fozzmoo | Are you using pssh? |
| 04:14.29 | goozbach | my steak looks like mickey |
| 04:14.32 | goozbach | yup |
| 04:14.45 | {-} | mickey? that's sick |
| 04:14.48 | fozzmoo | Super squinty. |
| 04:15.48 | goozbach | yip |
| 04:19.42 | levi | Oh my. Jon Gale thinks Moon landings and Mars probes were hoaxes. |
| 04:20.28 | fozzmoo | Don't know the guy. Name sounds like Don Gale - who used to read the KSL editorial opinion. |
| 04:20.50 | levi | Just someone who posted in the plug OT thread. |
| 04:21.01 | goozbach | levi.. they're real...!!! |
| 04:22.44 | hans | the funny thing is, from his replies it almost looks like Bradipo thinks so too (he seems to say that the fact that the moon was a hoax is a market failure) |
| 04:23.13 | levi | Heh. |
| 04:23.16 | hans | I think he probably misunderstood jon to be saying that us being able to get to the moon now at the drop of a hat would be considered a hoax |
| 04:23.23 | fozzmoo | "Many scientists say we can expect such storms more often once global warming increases sea temperatures around the world." |
| 04:23.27 | hans | but I think you're probably right, that jon thinks the moon was a hoa. |
| 04:23.30 | hans | x |
| 04:23.39 | levi | Everything Bradipo says is somehow related to markets. :) |
| 04:23.49 | hans | move inland! quick, everyone buy beachless property |
| 04:24.05 | fozzmoo | Another global warming hoaxism. |
| 04:25.26 | {-} | hans: you're just trying to trick people into populating Arizona |
| 04:26.09 | fozzmoo | Dell Schanze shoudl set up some firing ranges down along the border in AZ. :) |
| 04:26.41 | levi | Hrm, Bradipo hates public transportation because it's communist. |
| 04:27.05 | hans | i'm too weary to post in the thread, but I take slight issue with that |
| 04:27.07 | levi | Have I mentioned that I think he's politically a total nutcase? |
| 04:27.12 | hans | I think good public transportation can emerge in a market |
| 04:27.28 | {-} | communist! |
| 04:27.33 | levi | But it's plank 6 of the manifesto, so it must be eeeeevil! |
| 04:27.59 | hans | i tend to align with bradipo more than most others. maybe jayce is closer to my thinking |
| 04:28.13 | goozbach | wow!! good meat |
| 04:29.02 | hans | but I mostly dislike discussing politics. mostly people can't do so rationally |
| 04:29.51 | levi | I mostly dislike discussing politics, too. |
| 04:29.54 | {-} | the communists tried to be rational and look where it got them |
| 04:30.26 | fozzmoo | "Some of America's leading scientists have accused republican politicians of intimidating climate change experts by placing them under unprecendented scrutiny." |
| 04:30.30 | levi | Well, I'm all caught up on the OT thread, and I don't feel much better for it. |
| 04:30.39 | goozbach | rationale is overrated |
| 04:30.58 | Maquis | ~ration goozbach |
| 04:31.02 | fozzmoo | (Says the squinting geek trying to catch some woman's attention by opening his eyes bigger.) |
| 04:31.03 | hans | rational? they followed their hearts and their sense of "fairness" |
| 04:31.06 | goozbach | you hear that hair?! |
| 04:31.26 | goozbach | i'm on to you... |
| 04:32.13 | hans | hmm, I just realized the irony of storing the intel instruction set PDFs on my laptop |
| 04:32.52 | Maquis | hans: ??? |
| 04:33.10 | {-} | he has a mac |
| 04:33.24 | Maquis | oh... |
| 04:33.24 | {-} | although it doesn't seem that ironic |
| 04:33.26 | hans | which so far still means ppc |
| 04:33.54 | hans | well my mac is a ppc machine. it's still feeling a little testy that apple is abandoning its heritage |
| 04:33.56 | {-} | perhaps the lack of reply-to on plug is impairing his ability to sense irony |
| 04:34.17 | fozzmoo | I'm in support of that theory. |
| 04:34.56 | fozzmoo | you just watch. More sunspots. Higher gas prices. It's all because of the reply-to. |
| 04:36.03 | goozbach | lets blame the hurricane on it as well |
| 04:36.12 | hans | and the list reply-to is all bush's fault |
| 04:36.39 | goozbach | and the fact that i'm getting blatenly shot down |
| 04:36.44 | *** part/#utah levi (n=levi@levi.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 04:36.48 | *** join/#utah levi (n=levi@levi.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 04:36.56 | levi | Oops. |
| 04:37.13 | fozzmoo | goozbach wants to be the king of Swaziland. |
| 04:37.15 | *** part/#utah levi (n=levi@levi.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 04:37.53 | goozbach | ~swaziland |
| 04:38.09 | *** join/#utah levi (n=levi@levi.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 04:38.12 | goozbach | ~dict swaziland |
| 04:38.40 | goozbach | ~dict swaziland r |
| 04:38.48 | goozbach | ~dict swaziland 2 |
| 04:39.04 | goozbach | ~dict 2 swaziland |
| 04:39.22 | fozzmoo | At dawn Monday, thousands of Swazi girls removed tasseled scarves symbolizing their chastity, abandoning an ancient rite that had been revived to combat the modern scourge of AIDS. King Mswati III, Africa's last absolute monarch, reinstated the "umchwasho" rite for five years in 2001, banning sexual relations for girls younger than 18. But the move was ridiculed as old-fashioned and unfairly focused on girls -- and the king himself was accused of ignoring it |
| 04:39.28 | Maquis | goo: when you become king of swaziland, can you go beat up nigeria and kill all the spammers? |
| 04:39.50 | mheath | Agh! Gas is over $5 in Atlanta, Georgia. |
| 04:39.53 | goozbach | ohh monarchy |
| 04:40.18 | fozzmoo | With criticism mounting, Mswati decided to end the ban a year early. |
| 04:41.06 | goozbach | he had sex with minors? |
| 04:41.08 | fozzmoo | At 36, Mswati already has 12 wives, one bride-to-be and 27 children. His late father, King Sobhuza II, who led the country to independence from Britain in 1968, had more than 70 wives. |
| 04:41.52 | goozbach | ohh poligmamy |
| 04:42.08 | goozbach | i'm listening... |
| 04:42.21 | fozzmoo | And thousands of young virgins "applying" for future wife positions. |
| 04:42.50 | {-} | question: does my entire quote show up when I quit? |
| 04:43.46 | *** join/#utah {-} (n=sjansen@001-785-513.area1.spcsdns.net) |
| 04:43.48 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.58 | {-} | fozzmoo: thanks |
| 04:44.02 | goozbach | this chick is at least 'pretending' to be 21 |
| 04:44.03 | fozzmoo | I miss Lorne Greene. |
| 04:44.09 | Maquis | ummm |
| 04:44.18 | goozbach | she's got a beer |
| 04:44.51 | fozzmoo | Is she blowing bubbles in it? |
| 04:45.02 | fozzmoo | Because that would suggest more "pretending" |
| 04:45.25 | goozbach | i was wonderinng why she asked for a straw... |
| 04:46.19 | Maquis | goozbach: how old does she look? |
| 04:46.26 | goozbach | i miss lucite... |
| 04:46.55 | goozbach | ~dict lucite |
| 04:47.20 | fozzmoo | oooh warm plastic! |
| 04:47.42 | goozbach | maq: early 20's |
| 04:48.17 | goozbach | but you can never tell for sure in southern CA |
| 04:49.12 | fozzmoo | How many surgeries do you figure she's had? |
| 04:49.19 | goozbach | for all i know it could be a 12 year old boy |
| 04:49.33 | fozzmoo | That's a lot of surgeries. |
| 04:50.00 | goozbach | yes it is |
| 04:52.27 | *** join/#utah Maquis (n=Maquis@monsters.cs.byu.edu) |
| 04:52.40 | goozbach | over the last two months i think i've eaten my weight in cheesecake |
| 04:54.36 | fozzmoo | Maybe that's why she/he is pretending not to notice you. ;-) |
| 04:54.59 | fozzmoo | He's squinting, rabidly pecking on a phone/pda, surrounded by pie tins. |
| 04:55.17 | fozzmoo | and occasionally, he stares at her with BIG EYES. |
| 04:55.20 | goozbach | are you calling me fat!? |
| 04:55.53 | fozzmoo | I'm just saying the empty pie tins and the graham cracker crumbs on your shirt may look suspicious. |
| 04:56.09 | {-} | and probably doped up |
| 04:57.17 | goozbach | that's good cheesecake |
| 04:58.18 | goozbach | ~bender |
| 04:58.38 | *** join/#utah Maquis_ (n=Maquis@monsters.cs.byu.edu) |
| 04:58.55 | Maquis_ | Newsome: what's happening with te cs labs? |
| 05:01.00 | goozbach | ~bender |
| 05:01.01 | ibot | I am Bender please insert girder |
| 05:03.43 | maquis | goozbach: do you have a real home? |
| 05:03.57 | maquis | i mean... you do probably spend more time in hotels than anywhere else |
| 05:05.29 | {-} | think of the money you're saving |
| 05:05.55 | {-} | no food expenses, and, uhm... no food expenses |
| 05:06.19 | {-} | ... oh, and you're not paying for gas! |
| 05:18.17 | {-} | *sigh* |
| 05:21.49 | xbmodder_lappy | yo? |
| 05:24.15 | Newsome | maquis: Probably an IP address collision between monsters and another machine. It's a problem we plan to fix tomorrow morning. |
| 05:24.51 | Newsome | maquis: I won't reveal who messed it up, but you may want to razz Topher about it. |
| 05:27.00 | xbmodder_lappy | can someone please unban my IP? |
| 05:27.59 | levi | Heh, someone banned you from #utah? |
| 05:28.22 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 05:28.23 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 05:28.33 | xbmodder_lappy | and I have not been doing anything bad |
| 05:28.39 | levi | Sure. |
| 05:28.41 | xbmodder_lappy | *i think* |
| 05:31.10 | xbmodder_lappy | get it off me! |
| 05:32.08 | xbmodder_lappy | yay! |
| 05:33.39 | xbmodder_lappy | ~java |
| 05:33.41 | ibot | rumour has it, java is at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com, or see the ... |
| 05:39.21 | xbmodder_lappy | /opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin/java |
| 05:39.29 | xbmodder_lappy | Unrecognized option: -V |
| 05:39.29 | xbmodder_lappy | Could not create the Java virtual machine. |
| 05:39.32 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 05:41.46 | goozbach | ibot java is also at http://www.jpackage.org |
| 05:41.48 | ibot | okay, goozbach |
| 05:48.13 | *** part/#utah fozzmoo (n=fozz@166.70.238.250) |
| 06:03.07 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
| 06:06.18 | *** join/#utah jlp (n=jlp@c-24-2-96-137.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 06:14.49 | levi | C++ is not my friend today. |
| 06:50.18 | *** join/#utah bzob (n=bzob@nat.myfamilyinc.com) |
| 07:24.41 | *** join/#utah jlp (i=natted@c-24-2-96-137.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 07:25.08 | *** join/#utah Newsome (n=sorenson@216-190-206-130.customer.csolutions.net) |
| 12:32.06 | *** join/#utah RyanE_ (n=ryan@rberick.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 13:52.14 | *** join/#utah Newsome (n=sorenson@216-190-206-130.customer.csolutions.net) |
| 14:23.54 | *** join/#utah synic (n=synic@66.239.17.226.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 14:31.37 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (n=emcnabb@209.210.254.169) |
| 14:31.44 | *** join/#utah mheath (n=mheath@c-67-161-213-34.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 14:32.25 | *** join/#utah wps (n=wade@66.237.80.85) |
| 14:35.06 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
| 14:35.35 | vontrapp | grr, that's the second time in two days i've had to restart the openvpn server on my work computer |
| 14:36.10 | hans | why? |
| 14:36.14 | vontrapp | ~fracas hans |
| 14:36.30 | vontrapp | don't know why, just don't get any reply traffic from the server until i restart it |
| 14:36.34 | hans | it's the second time in two days I haven't had to. actually, it's been like months since I've had to restart openvpn |
| 14:37.01 | hans | it might be that it's lingering in timeout land |
| 14:37.04 | vontrapp | like, the vpn comes up, and the routes come up, but no actual network traffic happens |
| 14:37.27 | hans | odd. lucky you |
| 14:38.20 | vontrapp | i recently (about a couple weeks ago) added ifconfig-push |
| 14:39.32 | vontrapp | but these past two days is the first time i've had problems |
| 14:40.52 | *** join/#utah dataw0lf (n=dataw0lf@66.219.227.114) |
| 14:42.33 | mheath | vontrapp, you'd like my new init system :) |
| 14:42.46 | mheath | You can attach a helper script to an init script |
| 14:43.08 | mheath | The helper script could, for example, check if the program started by the init script is working *properly* |
| 14:43.35 | mheath | If either the helper script or the init script quits/fails, it would automatically be restarted. |
| 14:44.04 | vontrapp | mheath: maybe, but init wouldn't help this problem, the server is already up, constantly |
| 14:44.11 | hans | i hate this. I hate that openldap requires such a specific version of bdb that wherever I go I have to futz with bdb |
| 14:44.15 | vontrapp | but the vpn stops working for whatever odd reason |
| 14:44.32 | mheath | vontrapp, no, I mean, its a replacement for the SysVInit program |
| 14:44.52 | vontrapp | i realize that |
| 14:46.18 | *** join/#utah spr (n=spr@ramona.cs.byu.edu) |
| 14:47.04 | vontrapp | i think sysvinit works well enough, but there certainly can be improvement |
| 14:48.29 | mheath | vontrapp, mine was designed to be very feature intensive |
| 14:48.44 | mheath | Good methods of making sure your programs stay running properly.... |
| 14:48.53 | mheath | Extremely good logging.... |
| 14:49.15 | mheath | Support for multiple script types (init.d, slackware's rc.d, gentoo's init.d) |
| 14:49.30 | mheath | etc. |
| 14:51.01 | dataw0lf | ok, so, like, let's see it. |
| 14:54.41 | mheath | dataw0lf, the only working version was a project for my java class |
| 14:54.49 | dataw0lf | so. |
| 14:54.52 | mheath | and I doubt you want an init daemon coded in java =P |
| 14:54.52 | *** join/#utah jsmith (n=jsmith@64.0.192.254) |
| 14:54.53 | dataw0lf | you don't have it? |
| 14:54.58 | mheath | dataw0lf, I have it |
| 14:55.00 | dataw0lf | why mention it then? |
| 14:55.13 | mheath | Because I'm starting work on a C version soon. |
| 14:55.31 | dataw0lf | You seem to be starting work on alot of things. |
| 14:55.41 | mheath | Yes, I have lots of projects. |
| 15:00.38 | hans | vontrapp: there is one |
| 15:00.44 | hans | well I don't know about the yaml part |
| 15:00.51 | hans | and I don't remember what it's called |
| 15:01.19 | dataw0lf | Rubyx Linux, iirc. |
| 15:03.43 | *** join/#utah tiwula (n=lane@208-186-97-26.customer.csolutions.net) |
| 15:12.16 | *** join/#utah lukfugl (n=lukfugl@dsl093-224-101.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 15:12.27 | lukfugl | ~lart hans and vontrapp |
| 15:15.36 | vontrapp | ahhrg, the humanity! |
| 15:15.40 | vontrapp | ~lart lukfugl |
| 15:16.19 | lukfugl | good thing software doesn |
| 15:16.22 | lukfugl | 't have any mass |
| 15:16.33 | lukfugl | (durn enter key being right by the apostrophe) |
| 15:16.38 | *** join/#utah tensai (n=tensai@207.141.37.66) |
| 15:17.09 | lukfugl | now if he beat me over the head with a microkernel housed in a 20 year old VAX, that's another story |
| 15:30.10 | emcnabb | gas in Atlanta is $6 / gallon (according to my wife's family) |
| 15:35.38 | hans | bus fare is still 25 cents! |
| 15:37.05 | lukfugl | ~lart UTA |
| 15:37.28 | *** join/#utah graphyx (n=mike@67.50.46.118) |
| 15:38.17 | hans | folks I'm faced with a dilemna. let's lay it out with propostional logic. |
| 15:38.37 | hans | P = "majority of plug wants reply-to" |
| 15:38.54 | hans | Q = "majority of plug can't control themselves in a flamewar" |
| 15:38.58 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 15:39.07 | hans | R = "hans removed reply-to" |
| 15:39.22 | hans | S = "minimal flamewar, with reply-to removal winning 3 to 1" |
| 15:39.46 | hans | RSQ => !P |
| 15:40.11 | hans | or put another way, PQR => !S |
| 15:40.22 | hans | so you can see we have a paradox |
| 15:40.31 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 15:40.57 | vontrapp | oh goody, reply-to flame war |
| 15:41.09 | graphyx | hans: I think you need to reverse the polarity or the main reflector dish. and that should solve it. |
| 15:41.42 | *** join/#utah xbmodder_ (n=xbmodder@dsl092-012-130.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 15:41.45 | xbmodder_ | hey |
| 15:41.45 | graphyx | Unless you are trying to start a flame war about flame wars and hope the ironic recursion causes the computers of those involved to explode. |
| 15:41.50 | xbmodder_ | sup? |
| 15:41.52 | xbmodder_ | lol |
| 15:41.57 | graphyx | he |
| 15:42.14 | hans | ah, there. now we're getting the i can't believe anything changed without telling us posts |
| 15:42.30 | hans | now we have a full representation and I'll put it back |
| 15:42.41 | hans | I only changed it to be true to my word, it was never meant to be intentional |
| 15:42.49 | hans | (hence my concern on the paradox) |
| 15:43.00 | *** join/#utah {-} (n=sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 15:43.07 | xbmodder_ | nobody knows how to use AIM/IRC in my class |
| 15:43.13 | xbmodder_ | behind a firewall :-/ |
| 15:43.17 | xbmodder_ | it sucks |
| 15:43.26 | dataw0lf | xbmodder_: you should be studying. |
| 15:43.36 | xbmodder_ | dataw0lf: its "free time" |
| 15:43.42 | xbmodder_ | i finished my test EARLY |
| 15:43.48 | xbmodder_ | like 20 minutes early |
| 15:43.51 | goozbach | hans: tell them you've changed it, and don't |
| 15:44.00 | dataw0lf | xbmodder_: study for the next test. |
| 15:44.20 | xbmodder_ | I don't know when it is |
| 15:44.21 | xbmodder_ | ;-/ |
| 15:44.22 | xbmodder_ | :-/ |
| 15:44.30 | dataw0lf | goozbach: now THAT is a good idea. |
| 15:44.30 | xbmodder_ | Though I am doing my work |
| 15:44.31 | hans | i just changed it back, but maybe I'll join the flamewar defending my position |
| 15:44.33 | hans | that could be fun |
| 15:44.40 | xbmodder_ | "Describe my perfect date" |
| 15:44.43 | xbmodder_ | I don't know |
| 15:44.51 | hans | but nah. I'll just wait and see if anyone noticed i changed it Back |
| 15:44.56 | xbmodder_ | some _guy_ describe their perfect date |
| 15:46.32 | xbmodder_ | thats my question for this assignment |
| 15:47.07 | goozbach | xbmodder_: well it would involve a hot blonde with long hair, we'd be playing halo or doom or UT2004 until all hours of the night... DAMN I miss those dates... |
| 15:47.23 | xbmodder_ | lol I am writing that |
| 15:47.32 | xbmodder_ | except that DAMN part |
| 15:47.48 | dataw0lf | man, you guys are nerds. |
| 15:48.29 | scott | elive is a pretty sweet livecd |
| 15:48.34 | goozbach | A chick that pwns at Doom3... <sniff> I'm stupid for ever letting her get away... |
| 15:48.47 | graphyx | goozbach: You make me laugh. |
| 15:48.54 | xbmodder_ | dataw0lf: lol |
| 15:49.21 | graphyx | goozbach: Can you even find a worthwhile game of UT2k4 online any more? I was trying last night and it seemed that most of the servers were just populated with bots. |
| 15:49.29 | graphyx | made me want to go back to natural selection. |
| 15:49.41 | goozbach | graphyx: you can't handle the bots? |
| 15:49.42 | hans | ~lart bdb |
| 15:50.03 | lukfugl | hans: svn problems? |
| 15:50.05 | graphyx | ibot: That should have been a free aol 7 cd. |
| 15:50.07 | goozbach | graphyx: give me a week or so and I'll fire up a server we can have a #utah game on |
| 15:50.07 | hans | so I download the stinking thing and need to build it on a remote server. Is there an INSTALL? No. Is there ./configure? no. |
| 15:50.08 | scott | graphyx: same with Counter-Strike:Source..tons of bots in the games |
| 15:50.27 | hans | I have to "point my web browser at foo/bar.html for readme and installation instructions" |
| 15:50.31 | graphyx | That could be fun. |
| 15:50.49 | hans | do the geeks think we all run servers with heads or something? |
| 15:50.54 | graphyx | hans: Can you say: remote x session? |
| 15:51.04 | hans | right, across the country. loads of fun |
| 15:51.09 | goozbach | hans: can you say links? |
| 15:51.17 | graphyx | or even links2? |
| 15:51.46 | hans | tea:/usr/local/src/db-4.3.28 # links docs/index.html |
| 15:51.46 | hans | -bash: links: command not found |
| 15:51.47 | hans | 127 tea:/usr/local/src/db-4.3.28 # lynx docs/index.html |
| 15:51.47 | hans | -bash: lynx: command not found |
| 15:51.47 | hans | 127 tea:/usr/local/src/db-4.3.28 # links2 docs/index.html |
| 15:51.49 | hans | -bash: links2: command not found |
| 15:52.01 | lukfugl | apt-get install links? :) |
| 15:52.05 | goozbach | emerge elinks |
| 15:52.12 | lukfugl | yum install links |
| 15:52.13 | goozbach | looks like a gentoo box |
| 15:52.16 | hans | can you say suse. If I had apt-get I wouldn't be in this stupid situation in the first place |
| 15:52.27 | lukfugl | ick, suse |
| 15:52.29 | goozbach | you install elinks |
| 15:52.30 | graphyx | they why use suse? |
| 15:52.39 | hans | not my choice |
| 15:52.44 | hans | and it was made long ago, anyhow |
| 15:52.45 | goozbach | er notl, yast -i elinks |
| 15:52.57 | lukfugl | notl? |
| 15:53.11 | hans | i'll bite. I'll try the yast thing |
| 15:53.12 | goozbach | er not... it should be yast -i elinks |
| 15:53.18 | lukfugl | wasn't aware yast had a command line variant |
| 15:53.23 | hans | oh fun. please insert CD 1 |
| 15:53.46 | lukfugl | <sarcasm>yeah, that was the part I really liked about yast</sarcasm> |
| 15:53.48 | graphyx | A command line thingy asking for cd1. that is almost classic. |
| 15:54.01 | hans | well, it did go into curses before asking for cd 1 |
| 15:54.06 | lukfugl | Please insert the install disk in drive A: |
| 15:55.17 | xbmodder_ | lol |
| 15:55.33 | graphyx | so after it went into curses, did you follow? |
| 15:56.05 | hans | i can live with curses, but when it asked for the cd I did |
| 15:56.51 | hans | i could live with the occasional foray into rpm hell if only there were rpms to download. but no, they have to make the rpms impossible to get to, on top of needing to play the dependency game |
| 15:58.27 | {-} | isn't there a tool that converts an installed an configured linux system to a debian system? |
| 15:58.52 | vontrapp | sounds sketchy |
| 15:59.35 | {-} | hans: let me get, the support contract on the suse box has slipped? |
| 16:01.35 | vontrapp | ~pie {-} |
| 16:01.36 | ibot | ACTION hits {-} in the face with a cream pie |
| 16:02.10 | dataw0lf | ...there are other Linuxes besides Debian? How quaint! |
| 16:02.15 | dataw0lf | -e |
| 16:02.38 | dataw0lf | hmm |
| 16:02.41 | dataw0lf | what is the plural of Linux? |
| 16:03.00 | dataw0lf | Linuces? |
| 16:03.41 | vontrapp | Linii |
| 16:03.49 | vontrapp | boxen |
| 16:03.51 | lukfugl | linuxen |
| 16:04.16 | vontrapp | put it in EN::Inflect and find out |
| 16:04.20 | lukfugl | heh |
| 16:04.47 | dataw0lf | I'm pretty sure it's Linuces. |
| 16:05.10 | vontrapp | well, what's the plural of unix? |
| 16:05.15 | vontrapp | unices isn't it? |
| 16:05.17 | dataw0lf | unices. |
| 16:05.54 | vontrapp | or you could just avoid the question and say "many a linux" |
| 16:06.11 | {-} | linux innumerable |
| 16:06.20 | lukfugl | eunuchs is already plural |
| 16:06.42 | lukfugl | "flavors of Linux" |
| 16:07.22 | lukfugl | it's like asking what the plural of ice cream is... though there may be a logical plural, how many times do you hear someone talking about "ice creams"? |
| 16:07.48 | dataw0lf | pfft, that isn't a solution. |
| 16:07.54 | lukfugl | as opposed to ice cream *cones*, *flavors* of ice cream, *scoops* of ice cream, ice cream *sandwiches* |
| 16:08.08 | vontrapp | i've had three ice creams before |
| 16:08.34 | vontrapp | when you use "ice cream" to refer to some arbitrary single-unit ice cream product |
| 16:09.35 | hans | {-} naturally |
| 16:11.20 | hans | ok, now I think I shall swear off of plug for the rest of the day |
| 16:11.27 | hans | then I can have an amusing time reading tomorrow |
| 16:12.17 | hans | maybe if I go with an older version of openldap... |
| 16:12.39 | vontrapp | is tuesday a byu monday or tuesday or friday or what? |
| 16:12.55 | lukfugl | ~lart BYU "Mondays" |
| 16:13.27 | hans | hehe |
| 16:13.38 | hans | afaik today is just thursday in new mexico |
| 16:16.28 | jsmith | Thursday? I thought it was Monday number four? |
| 16:16.48 | vontrapp | i thought it was gruesday |
| 16:17.42 | vontrapp | "It's very dark in here" |
| 16:21.25 | graphyx | you might get eaten by a grue. |
| 16:24.50 | *** join/#utah fungus (n=fungus@2001:470:1f00:645:20a:95ff:fec5:636a) |
| 16:27.44 | *** join/#utah bucky (n=bucky@pdpc/supporter/active/bucky) |
| 16:28.50 | *** join/#utah levi_ (n=levi@208.177.141.226.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 16:30.17 | hans | {-}++ |
| 16:30.53 | vontrapp | ^^^ look! a magic scepter |
| 16:31.07 | hans | looks more like a guitar to me |
| 16:31.12 | hans | {=}--+ |
| 16:31.15 | hans | and that's a violin |
| 16:31.42 | levi_ | Oooh, it's hans, the power-mad mail list dictator! |
| 16:32.09 | hans | levi_: it's a recurring theme. whenever anything changes, they come out in droves decrying dictatorship and lack of choice |
| 16:33.16 | levi_ | hans: What do you expect? It's PLUG, it's full of people with strong conservative bias. ;) |
| 16:33.25 | vontrapp | what about my choice?! i get double emails anytime a reply is to a post of mine |
| 16:33.30 | levi_ | And not just in the political sense. |
| 16:34.10 | hans | i think it's kind of amusing, so I try not to get carried away with things |
| 16:34.16 | tensai | vontrapp: so take out your reply-to |
| 16:34.19 | hans | you know, too much amusement and all that. |
| 16:35.34 | vontrapp | hans: i commend your restraint |
| 16:35.53 | vontrapp | i would probably put the first person to complain's address in the reply-to munger |
| 16:36.15 | *** join/#utah tiwula (n=lane@70.98.251.29) |
| 16:36.39 | scott | anyone know of a good, simple, (and cool is always a plus) web photo gallery? gallery always has tons of security issues and I'm tired of updating it all the time |
| 16:38.18 | levi_ | You could always use flickr, if you don't mind having your pictures on someone else's server. |
| 16:38.23 | mrpull__ | scott: Flickr is cool. Not free, not Free... but cool |
| 16:38.53 | {-} | The mod_perl gallery that Jayce^ uses (used?) is okay. |
| 16:39.10 | levi_ | If you wait long enough, I'll have written one in Lisp. ;) |
| 16:39.38 | levi_ | The latest incarnation of my Lisp blog is almost ready to go live. |
| 16:39.55 | hans | i started one in rails, to learn rails, then I learned enough rails for the moment and realized I didn't really want to write/maintain a photo gallery program |
| 16:41.31 | hans | it'll be just like the good ol' days |
| 16:41.55 | vontrapp | start moderating posts, see who notices |
| 16:42.00 | levi_ | I spent hours last night brushing up on my C++ syntax. |
| 16:42.32 | RyanE | levi_: why brushing up the C++? |
| 16:43.23 | hans | ~lart yast |
| 16:43.25 | hans | SuSE Linux AG != SuSE Linux AG |
| 16:43.32 | {-} | because C++ is so complicated occasionally it exposes faulty memory and has to be refreshed |
| 16:43.39 | hans | 20031106141452 != 20021022150203 |
| 16:43.57 | levi_ | RyanE: Well, I think it's disgusting in a lot of ways, but it's also got some powerful features I wanted to brush up on. And I wanted to write one of my assignments in it. |
| 16:43.58 | hans | i swear these are the same CDs I used |
| 16:47.00 | levi | C++ templates are powerful, but they feel a lot like a hack. |
| 16:48.45 | levi | Of course, anything that has compatibility with C as a design goal is going to feel like a hack. |
| 16:51.08 | RyanE | hey... don't go dissing C. C rocks. |
| 16:51.18 | RyanE | as long as you want to program at that level. |
| 16:53.50 | *** join/#utah maquis (n=Maquis@monsters.cs.byu.edu) |
| 16:54.05 | {-} | C power! |
| 16:54.08 | levi | Actually, I don't think C rocks very much at all. The main thing it's got going for it is its pervasiveness. |
| 16:54.57 | tene | levi: is it C that you dislike, or programming at that level? |
| 16:55.09 | levi | It's C. |
| 16:55.58 | tene | <non-challenging> is there anything you think is better for programming at that level? |
| 16:56.22 | {-} | ~beat tene |
| 16:56.24 | ibot | ACTION beats tene with a large stick. |
| 16:56.45 | mrpull- | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.22 | levi | I think D has potential there, but it's not quite as mature. |
| 16:58.55 | levi | Programming at that level isn't my main interest, so I haven't done a whole lot of experimentation, but several of Wirth's post-Pascal languages would be interesting to try for systems programming. |
| 17:02.20 | levi | Just because there isn't much in the way of a viable alternative right now doesn't mean that C is actually /good/. I like to think that we've made progress in language research since the 70s. Most effort has gone into high-level languages, but I think a lot of that could and should be applied back to low-level programming. |
| 17:10.45 | RyanE | I don't think anything else has presented itself as better for low-level programming. I personally think that i'ts just far enough above machine code, and not overly bloated. |
| 17:12.23 | RyanE | I also find something inherently good with the fact that it's not overly complicated. The K&R book is about the right size. |
| 17:13.13 | RyanE | I'm not saying that I'd use it to do websites, etc., but for what it was designed for (Systems / Low-level programming), nothing compares. |
| 17:13.33 | levi | You say nothing compares, but what have you tried to compare it with? |
| 17:14.05 | graphyx | apparently he has compared it to nothing. |
| 17:14.11 | graphyx | and in that battle something always wins. |
| 17:14.17 | graphyx | ;) |
| 17:15.20 | levi | Well, it would seem that's exactly what he's done, but it's also a rather hollow victory. |
| 17:17.00 | RyanE | valid point. I haven't compared it against much else, because on the embedded devices I've run, you can either program in assembly, C, or some custom languages (JAL, etc.) |
| 17:17.08 | RyanE | and sometimes C++ |
| 17:17.40 | RyanE | and I'm not claiming victory, only expressing my opinion, which is also what levi did. |
| 17:17.54 | RyanE | levi has also not compared C against anything else for low-level programming. |
| 17:18.22 | tene | 10:57 < levi> I think D has potential there, but it's not quite as mature. |
| 17:18.23 | levi | RyanE: I didn't mean you were claiming victory, just that you declared C a winner against nothing. |
| 17:18.50 | levi | RyanE: I compared it to D and Wirth's later languages. |
| 17:19.22 | RyanE | have you used D or Wirth's later languages for systems programming? |
| 17:19.38 | *** join/#utah harleypig (n=Clint@65.73.113.162) |
| 17:19.40 | RyanE | <non-challenging> :) |
| 17:20.15 | levi | No, but I have read their specifications, and I've written some small programs in D. |
| 17:21.02 | levi | If you look at D, you'll find it's very much like C, with a few critical issues addressed. It's very suitable for systems programming, since that's what it was designed for. |
| 17:21.33 | levi | I think that C's deficiencies are especially egregious when it's used as an embedded systems programming language. |
| 17:23.04 | levi | It has the right level of abstraction for system-level programming, but it has weak facilities for ensuring program correctness. |
| 17:23.47 | levi | And there's no clean way to add extra abstraction when appropriate. |
| 17:27.11 | levi | I think C++ was a move in the right direction, but the design goal of maintaining compatibility with C saddled it with a lot of the same issues and a whole lot of extra complexity. |
| 17:29.29 | levi | D is sort of a reexamination of where C should move to, if not C++. Instead of retaining full compatibility, it changes the base language before adding on the abstraction facilities. |
| 17:32.37 | *** join/#utah JoshH (i=josh@spanky.xmission.com) |
| 17:32.57 | RyanE | levi: sorry, our internet connection just bailed for a few minutes. |
| 17:33.11 | levi | Did you miss all my responses, then? |
| 17:33.41 | RyanE | I was going to say that I'll agree that D would likely solve some C issues, and may be better than C for systems-level programming. |
| 17:33.47 | RyanE | levi: nope. |
| 17:33.51 | RyanE | screen... |
| 17:34.02 | levi | Ahh, okay. No problem, then. |
| 17:34.11 | harleypig | screen's a wonderful tool |
| 17:34.27 | graphyx | I like my monitor as well. |
| 17:34.34 | graphyx | j/k. I know what screen is. |
| 17:34.57 | RyanE | If that's the case, my only argument against using D would be aviailability. I can't likely get a D compiler for small embedded platforms, and I'm not about to write a D compiler before doing my projects. |
| 17:35.09 | RyanE | chicken and the egg at that point. |
| 17:35.31 | graphyx | but how did they write the first compiler... |
| 17:35.33 | levi | RyanE: Right. As I said, one of C's big advantages is its ubiquity. Although there's now a D frontend to gcc, which opens up a lot of platforms. |
| 17:35.51 | graphyx | I like to think that writing the first compiler explained the chicken and egg problem. |
| 17:37.02 | levi | graphyx: Yeah, but did God write the chicken routine or the egg routine first?! ;) |
| 17:37.15 | RyanE | used the egg to write the chicken. |
| 17:37.23 | graphyx | it didn't matter since the circular dependencies made him have to compile both at the same time! |
| 17:37.27 | tene | So did God use vim or emacs? |
| 17:37.29 | RyanE | or was that the other way around... |
| 17:38.08 | levi | graphyx: Not true. You have to bootstrap a compiler before you can use it. |
| 17:38.37 | levi | graphyx: There's no simultaneity about it! |
| 17:38.48 | harleypig | God used evolution to solve the chicken and the egg problem! |
| 17:39.02 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker) |
| 17:39.02 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 17:39.07 | levi | harleypig: I almost mentioned that, but I didn't want to spark any discussions on that topic. :P |
| 17:39.13 | harleypig | :D |
| 17:39.13 | hans | eggs can reproduce? |
| 17:39.29 | hans | wow, I seem to have killed plug |
| 17:39.39 | harleypig | ? How. |
| 17:39.41 | graphyx | so you pulled the plug on PLUG? |
| 17:39.44 | hans | either that or my message coincided with the lull |
| 17:39.52 | levi | hans: We're all bowing before your awesome power. ;) |
| 17:39.54 | hans | well, I guess sjansen survived |
| 17:40.11 | vontrapp | he's like a cocroach |
| 17:40.20 | hans | jsmith: so my qos script failed miserably in its first realworld test |
| 17:40.24 | graphyx | he eats cardboard? |
| 17:41.00 | hans | my wife had a heckuva time talking to geico this morning. turns out it was because someone was downloading a bunch of stuff from my webserver |
| 17:42.06 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:42.10 | levi | The downside of voip. |
| 17:42.45 | hans | thing is, qos is supposed to be able to handle upload traffic with extreme ease |
| 17:42.55 | hans | so I'm confused. maybe my qos isn't set up right, or something |
| 17:43.09 | hans | more testing is in order, for sure. |
| 17:44.51 | vontrapp | hans: what if it's traffic over the vpn? does that need special consideration? |
| 17:45.40 | hans | it wasn't, but I don't think so. well it does in that the vpn is udp (which doesn't play the traffic-control games of tcp) |
| 17:46.07 | hans | but in the sense that it was upload from my box, I'm sure qos should be able to control outbound udp just as well as tcp |
| 17:50.08 | *** join/#utah decriptor (n=decripto@67.108.235.2.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 18:08.51 | vontrapp | {-}: :) |
| 18:09.15 | {-} | HA! |
| 18:09.33 | vontrapp | eek, that looks like some perl/java/scheme monster |
| 18:09.52 | graphyx | I haven't tried vimdiff. |
| 18:09.52 | mrpull- | what's with the {-} nick? did I miss something? |
| 18:09.59 | {-} | We applied a PHP security update to SLES9 2 days ago. Our server is now segfaulting. There'll probably be a new package tomorrow. Our subscrition runs out today. |
| 18:10.13 | graphyx | roll back! |
| 18:11.26 | vontrapp | is there such a thing as a .gvimdiffrc? |
| 18:11.32 | {-} | mrpull-: I'm trying to reform myself. The nick is a reminder. |
| 18:11.46 | {-} | Plus I thought it was time for a little variety. |
| 18:12.05 | vontrapp | is it supposed to remind you to swallow sticks? |
| 18:12.12 | mrpull- | {-}: why is reformation in order? |
| 18:16.26 | *** join/#utah lane_ (n=lane@70.98.251.29) |
| 18:17.44 | vontrapp | because he's a cocroach |
| 18:18.03 | *** join/#utah hagna (n=me@67.50.46.118) |
| 18:18.19 | hagna | ok all you cs students what is the algorithm for detecting cycles in a graph? |
| 18:18.38 | vontrapp | the graph-cycle-deleter-algo |
| 18:18.40 | graphyx | Wouldn't it be a breadth first search? |
| 18:19.02 | vontrapp | looking for the formal name or the algorithm itself? |
| 18:19.08 | hagna | yes |
| 18:19.18 | vontrapp | i don't remember either, but if i thought long enough, i could recall the algorithm |
| 18:19.20 | graphyx | and if you find a graph node that you already have on the list your done. |
| 18:19.22 | vontrapp | not the name |
| 18:19.23 | hagna | the naive one--the one I came up with is O(n^2) |
| 18:19.59 | hagna | graphyx: ok that makes sense |
| 18:20.02 | hagna | nm |
| 18:20.31 | graphyx | I can't recall off the top of my head (that was 236 stuff) But wouldn't it be a ordered queue? |
| 18:20.31 | Bradipo | spanning tree algorithm maybe? |
| 18:20.47 | graphyx | and that would be a nlogn ordered algo. |
| 18:21.16 | hagna | ok well what about enumerating all the paths in the graph |
| 18:21.39 | Bradipo | dijkstra's algorithm will find the shortest path. |
| 18:22.13 | Bradipo | Been a while since I did 235. |
| 18:23.13 | graphyx | That sounds about right. |
| 18:23.16 | graphyx | Bravo. |
| 18:23.45 | graphyx | That reminds me of an italian who tried to translate bravo into english as you are very brave. |
| 18:24.18 | Bradipo | Well, does brave == courageous? |
| 18:25.57 | Bradipo | Brave according to dictionary.com does mean ``3. Excellent; great'' |
| 18:26.07 | Bradipo | So in that sense it could easily be translated from bravo. |
| 18:27.01 | Bradipo | http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=brave&searchmode=none |
| 18:27.03 | graphyx | well sure, but how often is that context used. |
| 18:27.11 | Bradipo | Indeed, the etymology says that it comes from It. bravo. |
| 18:27.58 | Bradipo | Ah, but you didn't say anything about meaning, only that someone translated it that way. :-) |
| 18:28.11 | *** join/#utah xbmodder_ (n=xbmodder@dsl092-012-130.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 18:28.12 | graphyx | typically courageous and excellent are different things. |
| 18:28.17 | xbmodder_ | hey |
| 18:28.22 | xbmodder_ | doing my writing sample |
| 18:28.55 | xbmodder_ | 8 second sync :-/ |
| 18:39.53 | xbmodder_ | hey |
| 18:39.57 | xbmodder_ | sup all? |
| 18:43.22 | graphyx | water level in new Orleans. |
| 18:45.20 | xbmodder_ | lol |
| 18:45.57 | xbmodder_ | I have an old iBook the clamshells and I am locked out. I cannot run anything Anyone know how to at least run word? |
| 18:46.04 | xbmodder_ | MAC OS 9 |
| 18:46.26 | hagna | you can't open it? |
| 18:48.36 | xbmodder_ | nvm the guy figured it out |
| 18:50.19 | xbmodder_ | Anyone here really good with blender? |
| 18:51.01 | harleypig | Anyone in here familiar with Kwiki? |
| 18:51.06 | harleypig | #kwiki is useless. |
| 18:51.44 | xbmodder_ | ~kwiki |
| 18:51.47 | tene | xbm: what for? |
| 18:51.53 | xbmodder_ | ~#kwiki |
| 18:52.18 | harleypig | xbmodder_: kwiki is a perl based wiki |
| 18:52.35 | harleypig | #kiwki is the channel that's supposed to support it. |
| 18:52.59 | xbmodder_ | tene: making a animation of bill gates flying through a window and and apple being shot from a cannon through an iMac and someone jumping on a bed with aq giant penguin |
| 18:53.37 | xbmodder_ | ibot: kwiki is a perl based wiki at http://kwiki.org |
| 18:53.38 | ibot | xbmodder_: okay |
| 18:53.43 | xbmodder_ | ~kwiki |
| 18:53.45 | ibot | i heard kwiki is a perl based wiki at http://kwiki.org |
| 18:56.03 | xbmodder_ | cool, eh? |
| 18:57.43 | harleypig | ~#kwiki |
| 18:57.58 | harleypig | Just wondering if she picked up on my useless comment. |
| 18:58.07 | xbmodder_ | ~gender |
| 18:58.08 | ibot | I'm male |
| 18:58.15 | xbmodder_ | lol |
| 18:58.17 | xbmodder_ | ~gender |
| 18:58.18 | ibot | I'm not sure |
| 18:58.22 | xbmodder_ | :-/ |
| 18:58.36 | xbmodder_ | ~gender |
| 18:58.37 | ibot | I'm female |
| 18:58.55 | harleypig | heh |
| 19:01.00 | {-} | http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/2005-08-31-katrina-jetfuel-usat_x.htm |
| 19:01.25 | *** join/#utah bonez39 (n=bonez@drjones.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 19:03.42 | harleypig | anyone watch that discovery channel show that hypothesized NO getting hit with a class 5 hurricne? |
| 19:04.48 | xbmodder_ | yeah |
| 19:05.14 | bonez39 | anyone else using gaim 1.2.1 or newer? I can't stand those huge icon images.... |
| 19:05.22 | bonez39 | any way to make them smaller? |
| 19:05.26 | tene | bonez39: that's a preferences option thing |
| 19:05.29 | tene | lemme find it... |
| 19:06.01 | tene | Interface->Buddy List->[ ] Show buddy icons |
| 19:08.26 | bonez39 | ok, thanks tene |
| 19:09.45 | tene | np |
| 19:10.29 | levi | Mmm, back from lunch. |
| 19:14.31 | *** join/#utah lukfugl (n=lukfugl@dsl093-224-101.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 19:17.17 | graphyx | Gandalfo owns your filled tummy {-}? |
| 19:19.39 | levi | Maquis needs to find a stable connection if she's going to stay logged in. |
| 19:26.45 | *** join/#utah maquis (n=Maquis@monsters.cs.byu.edu) |
| 19:28.01 | {-} | ~taunt maquis |
| 19:28.02 | ibot | ACTION folds a paper football and flicks it at maquis |
| 19:29.17 | harleypig | What's with the curlies? |
| 19:41.17 | levi | Whoa, regenerating mice: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16417002%255E30417,00.html |
| 19:42.21 | harleypig | !! "And when cells from the test mouse are injected into ordinary mice, they too acquire the ability to regenerate..." |
| 19:42.36 | levi | Yeah. Crazy, crazy stuff! |
| 19:43.37 | harleypig | The only organ that didn't regenerate was the brain. |
| 19:44.14 | harleypig | Won't know for another year if it lengthens their lifespan. |
| 19:52.56 | scott | for all you sci-fi fans here: any ideas why it's called I, Robot |
| 19:54.20 | {-} | 'cause "Robot haters are poopie pants." didn't sound as good? |
| 19:54.44 | levi | Because it's dealing with robotic sentience. |
| 19:58.41 | harleypig | scott: So they could trade in on Isacc Asimov's book. |
| 19:58.57 | harleypig | It's worse than Starship Troopers--the movie based on the back cover of the book! |
| 19:59.16 | harleypig | ARGH ... I think I've gonna have to go with a php wiki of some kind. |
| 19:59.37 | {-} | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo!!! |
| 19:59.55 | graphyx | for what HArley? |
| 20:00.52 | RyanE | if Perl users would stop pointing out how superior they are to PHP users, maybe they'd write some more wikis / CMSes / Photo Albums on sourceforge. -- now THAT's how you start a flamewar... :) |
| 20:02.01 | graphyx | I thought the best was of starting a flamewar was stating that the latest version of windows will have so much more functionality that you would have to be insane to even think of using linux... |
| 20:02.22 | graphyx | and hail Bill Gates... |
| 20:02.24 | levi | Maybe, after being the premiere web language for a while, the perl guys got tired of web toys and moved on. ;) |
| 20:02.44 | RyanE | I guess so. |
| 20:02.53 | graphyx | I doubt that the php programmers will ever leave the web for some reason.. |
| 20:03.04 | RyanE | we can only hope. :) |
| 20:03.30 | mrpull- | graphyx: the latest version of windows/exchange/sql _are_ so much better than linux that (unless you are poor) you are insane to use linux |
| 20:04.01 | levi | Every language has to start out proving that it can do web stuff, but then people who learn it realize that web programming kind of sucks and is only hard in annoying ways, so they move on to problems that are hard in more interesting ways. ;) |
| 20:04.18 | graphyx | There was a Huge sign over that big red button saying don't push.. but you just had to, eh mrpull-? |
| 20:04.42 | levi | graphyx: Oh, with php's relatively new OO features and stuff, I think they're trying to move it to non-web stuff. Look for gtk bindings any day now! ;) |
| 20:05.32 | RyanE | there already are gtk bindings... php-gtk... |
| 20:05.38 | harleypig | I can't get kwiki to work right ... and my devel team hates the way it looks. |
| 20:05.38 | RyanE | scary, eh? |
| 20:05.39 | harleypig | *sigh* |
| 20:06.11 | graphyx | harleypig: when you say my devel team do you mean the ones that work for you? OR the ones that look at you as a gofer peon? |
| 20:07.09 | harleypig | The ones that work with me (I've been pushing for creation of documents and I got volunteered). |
| 20:07.17 | graphyx | nice |
| 20:07.18 | mrpull- | harleypig: those are the only two options... you are king or a peon |
| 20:07.25 | {-} | If you're happy and you know it clap your hands. |
| 20:07.26 | {-} | If you're happy and you know it clap your hands. |
| 20:07.34 | harleypig | :] I can't get my fellow peons to use it. |
| 20:07.36 | {-} | If you're happy and you know then you face will surely show it. |
| 20:07.41 | {-} | If you're happy and you know it clap your hands. |
| 20:07.48 | graphyx | if you're happy and you know it then yout typing? will surely show it? |
| 20:08.01 | graphyx | s/yout/your/ |
| 20:08.13 | harleypig | I'm trying to get a grassroots movement so that we can at least figure out on our own and give something to the new folk coming in. |
| 20:08.32 | scott | harleypig: have you tried instiki? I know it's not as nice to install since it requires ruby and rails etc, but it's a pretty cool wiki |
| 20:08.36 | harleypig | And present management with a fait acompli (or however the heck you spell that) |
| 20:08.45 | graphyx | work done |
| 20:09.12 | harleypig | Never heard of it. But since I'm looking beyond perl (whimper) I'll add it to the list. |
| 20:10.16 | levi | Where's Jayce^? Surely he's got something up his sleeve that will keep you from looking beyond perl. |
| 20:10.24 | harleypig | :D |
| 20:10.32 | graphyx | fly swatter? |
| 20:13.24 | {-} | Why would anyone consider running a production FC1 or RH9 server? |
| 20:13.51 | graphyx | cause they lost their gentoo cd? |
| 20:13.56 | graphyx | and can't get another one? |
| 20:13.58 | {-} | Nobody in their right mind would run a Windows 98 server or Windows ME server. How is FC1/RH9 different? |
| 20:15.13 | vontrapp | ahh, another VIm convert |
| 20:15.21 | vontrapp | nich officially loves vim |
| 20:15.24 | {-} | ~praise vontrapp |
| 20:15.25 | ibot | All hail vontrapp! |
| 20:15.28 | hans | it was ctrl-v that did it |
| 20:15.30 | vontrapp | and he doesn't even program |
| 20:15.45 | graphyx | what does ctrl-v do? |
| 20:16.21 | harleypig | graphyx: allows you to enter non-visible characters (ctrl-v enter gives ^M) |
| 20:16.26 | {-} | graphyx: the same thing as shift-v but it rotates the universe 90 degrees first |
| 20:16.45 | graphyx | ok. |
| 20:16.47 | graphyx | Thanks HP |
| 20:16.56 | hans | harry potter? where?! |
| 20:17.17 | vontrapp | and c-v+u lets you enter a unicode number for any character imaginable |
| 20:17.33 | graphyx | it isn't a shame when a multi-billion dollar comany's trademark is overwritten by a series of novels? |
| 20:17.48 | RyanE | so have you guys heard any of the Japanese Haripota songs? |
| 20:18.08 | graphyx | so would vrtl-v backspace add the backspace character that would erase a character if the string were printed? |
| 20:18.18 | RyanE | we were up in Park City at the outlet stores a couple of weeks ago, and there was a Japanese pop song with 'haripota' in it. weird. |
| 20:18.51 | {-} | graphyx: I suspect the clincher was actually ctl-v as vertical visual mode, not ctl-v in insert mode |
| 20:19.16 | vontrapp | most likely, esp as he's writing a web page right now |
| 20:19.48 | vontrapp | ~hug block-visual |
| 20:19.50 | ibot | ACTION hugs block-visual |
| 20:19.54 | *** join/#utah amcnabb (n=amcnabb@128.187.154.159) |
| 20:19.59 | hans | i saw enough haripota at the plug emeetingk, thanks. |
| 20:20.17 | RyanE | that's true. |
| 20:23.44 | {-} | ~hug vim |
| 20:23.45 | ibot | ACTION hugs vim |
| 20:29.31 | levi | People who have their minds blown by visual blocks really ought to get out a bit more. |
| 20:37.45 | *** join/#utah Maquis (n=Maquis@byu293688wks.byu.edu) |
| 20:46.17 | {-} | Someone ought to respond to Daniel C. on plug, but I don't have the heart to. |
| 20:47.00 | Maquis | ouch... that's a painful question... |
| 20:47.06 | tene | what's the question? |
| 20:47.15 | *** join/#utah AgoraCart (n=AgoraCar@71-36-83-238.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 20:49.03 | harleypig | Oh dead. Anyone remember the BBS door LORD? I just found a clone online: http://lotgd.net |
| 20:49.07 | harleypig | There goes my time. |
| 20:49.55 | levi | harleypig: Heh. :) |
| 20:50.17 | harleypig | Just thought I'd share the url ... y'know ... so I'm not the only one wasting time ... :> |
| 20:50.27 | levi | tene: "How much industry experience equates to a bachelor's degree?" |
| 20:51.59 | Maquis | in relation to a java job |
| 20:52.13 | harleypig | " You strap your Fists to your back and head out for some adventure." |
| 20:52.31 | dataw0lf | I thought only B.S. grads would want a Java job anyways. |
| 20:52.52 | levi | To which I'd have to answer, no amount truly equates, but the amount some employers will consider undoubtedly varies. |
| 20:53.11 | {-} | dataw0lf: No, there are equal numbers of crazy people with and without degrees. |
| 20:53.23 | dataw0lf | {-}: hehe |
| 20:53.50 | levi | You'll probably not get in through the HR department without a degree in most places, but you could probably get in through networking if you're really qualified for the job. |
| 20:55.51 | levi | I would consider other factors over the language required first. |
| 20:56.12 | levi | I don't really like C, but I love my C programming job. |
| 20:56.23 | dataw0lf | yeah... but Java.... |
| 20:57.01 | levi | Ultimately, the language is just a tool. Most languages available are adequate, so what's important is what you're /doing/ with the tool and what your part in the project is. |
| 20:57.06 | Maquis | i'm going to agree with levi to a point |
| 20:57.18 | dataw0lf | I'll agree to a point. |
| 20:57.20 | dataw0lf | but Java.... |
| 20:57.21 | dataw0lf | ;) |
| 20:57.27 | Maquis | i could handle working with java if the project was *really* interesting... |
| 20:57.33 | tene | Maquis: php! |
| 20:57.51 | RyanE | kinda scary when I find myself agreeing with dataw0lf regularly. :) |
| 20:57.53 | dataw0lf | I could be saving little Somalian kids and I wouldn't work with Java. |
| 20:58.00 | dataw0lf | +still |
| 20:58.01 | levi | I don't really want to be a cog in a big Java-churning machine, but I might enjoy being an important part of designing a cool app that used Java. |
| 20:58.16 | dataw0lf | RyanE: don't give in to the self loathing! ;) |
| 20:58.43 | RyanE | dataw0lf: too late! |
| 20:58.47 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 20:59.18 | RyanE | levi: most of the times I've seen java used, there's lots more cogs than designers. |
| 20:59.23 | dataw0lf | yes! I love how servers break right before I head home. |
| 20:59.29 | RyanE | but at least the cogs are well-paid. :) |
| 20:59.46 | levi | RyanE: Regardless, not all the programmers are mere cogs. :) |
| 21:00.18 | RyanE | true. I'll once again have to resist generalizing that most Java jobs are for cogs in large enterprise machines. |
| 21:00.35 | RyanE | without really resisting at all. :) |
| 21:01.32 | levi | We've got a Java team here, and they get to do some interesting programming. Not /all/ of it is interesting, but not all of any programming job is. |
| 21:01.47 | RyanE | levi: is it *enterprise* java? |
| 21:02.21 | levi | RyanE: No, just regular Java. |
| 21:02.25 | RyanE | I think my only real bad opinions are Enterprise Java... and that probably holds true for *enterprise* anything. |
| 21:02.37 | RyanE | so being a cog is bad no matter what, I suppose. |
| 21:02.52 | Maquis | RyanE: yes... being a cog is always bad |
| 21:03.14 | Maquis | the only language i have extremely strong feelings against is VB/ASP |
| 21:03.25 | Maquis | other than that, i have preferences, but i can work around them |
| 21:03.51 | RyanE | I wrote a device emulator in Java/Swing as a hobby a few years ago, and that wasn't that bad. It emulated the menus on a sliMP3 device. |
| 21:04.24 | goozbach | soo behind... |
| 21:04.35 | goozbach | I've got to finish 4 chapters by the end of the day |
| 21:05.49 | Maquis | goozbach: don't worry |
| 21:05.51 | Maquis | you'll be fine |
| 21:06.09 | Maquis | just start drawing mickey mouse on the board and everything will be great |
| 21:06.44 | RyanE | mmmm... Mickey Mouse Venn diagrams... |
| 21:06.53 | Maquis | exactly |
| 21:06.55 | Maquis | see! |
| 21:07.03 | Maquis | RyanE knows what i'm talking about |
| 21:07.25 | levi | Is this a class? |
| 21:08.02 | goozbach | I have need of a venn diagram in this next chapter... hmm.... |
| 21:12.33 | goozbach | my question is... Why is everyone making such a big deal of this stupid list? |
| 21:12.50 | {-} | you're doomed |
| 21:13.18 | RyanE | because, it's all about *ME*. The pluglist was made for *ME*, not for you people who like politics, or you people who don't think this is a personal Linux Support Forum. ME ME ME ME ME ME! |
| 21:13.38 | goozbach | RyanE: I thik you hit it on the head |
| 21:13.53 | dataw0lf | you guys been following the interdictor feeds / website / irc ? |
| 21:14.32 | RyanE | dataw0lf: I read it when you linked to it last night, but not since. anything new and interesting going on? |
| 21:14.43 | dataw0lf | RyanE: yeah, the feed is pretty wild. |
| 21:14.58 | RyanE | I haven't seen the feed, just the blog entries. |
| 21:15.02 | dataw0lf | and the channel (here, on FreeNode, #interdictor) is growing about 5 people per minute, and it's pretty high quality. |
| 21:15.12 | dataw0lf | there's a radio feed and a live video feed. |
| 21:15.17 | dataw0lf | the radio feed is pretty intense. |
| 21:15.24 | levi | What is interdictor? |
| 21:15.36 | dataw0lf | interdictor is a guy who's organized a bunch of survivors in a high rise in New Orleans |
| 21:15.38 | dataw0lf | ex SF |
| 21:15.59 | dataw0lf | he's saying it's much, much, much worse than the media is reporting. |
| 21:16.21 | dataw0lf | they've established a perimeter and such around the building, and he's trying to formulate a plan to get the women out asap |
| 21:16.33 | levi | What's the url? |
| 21:16.48 | dataw0lf | www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor |
| 21:19.28 | hans | aw shucks, he's not going to take me up on the experiment |
| 21:20.12 | hans | i like halcrow's analysis, but I would add one thing: if it's not an official act to split the list, then very few people will sign up on the OT list in the first place, and it will start out in the zealot/stagnant moede |
| 21:20.51 | hans | time to write some code. it's the only answer to sanity |
| 21:29.55 | *** join/#utah drewbono (n=andrew@c-24-2-95-76.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 21:35.22 | graphyx | dataw0lf: you killed the channel. You made everyone go read that blog!! |
| 21:37.19 | goozbach | the irc channel is above 400 users now |
| 21:37.23 | goozbach | and is just madness |
| 21:38.18 | dataw0lf | yeah, they +m'ed it. |
| 21:42.20 | graphyx | what does +m do? |
| 21:43.32 | tensai | graphyx: only those with voice can speak |
| 21:43.36 | graphyx | gotcha. |
| 21:43.44 | graphyx | So it's more a sit and listen type thing. |
| 21:44.08 | tensai | yeah. you'd have to pm an op and get him to +m you |
| 21:44.16 | dataw0lf | they -m'ed it now |
| 21:44.36 | tensai | well, that was short lived. even hans' +m'ing of #utah lasted longer. |
| 21:47.33 | bonez39 | curious what you all use to find someone...let's say you get a phone call, and want to know who called...just have the number... |
| 21:48.46 | dataw0lf | usually, my hit man does all the work for me. |
| 21:50.26 | dataw0lf | in the event your hit man isn't so savvy, you can always use a reverse phone directory. |
| 21:51.15 | Maquis | graphyx: my understanding is that it turns it into a moderated channel |
| 21:51.35 | graphyx | Maquis: Thanks. |
| 21:52.01 | *** join/#utah Maquis_ (n=Maquis@monsters.cs.byu.edu) |
| 21:53.48 | *** join/#utah dataw0lf (n=dataw0lf@66.219.227.114) |
| 22:00.53 | *** part/#utah harleypig (n=Clint@65.73.113.162) |
| 22:04.13 | Bradipo | Anyone here know vcard format well? |
| 22:05.26 | {-} | not well, passeable to poor |
| 22:06.49 | Bradipo | Can a vcard (.vcf) have more than one record? |
| 22:07.54 | {-} | if I tried to answer I'd be lying |
| 22:08.01 | Bradipo | Alright. |
| 22:08.02 | *** part/#utah AgoraCart (n=AgoraCar@71-36-83-238.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 22:08.18 | Bradipo | Of course it can have one, whether or not Outlook will be able to use it is another story. |
| 22:19.38 | bonez39 | dataw0lf, thanks...next time a slimey solicitor comes by I'll hit him with the reverse phone directory.. |
| 22:20.31 | dataw0lf | bonez39: or get a better hit man, am I rite?!?!1! |
| 22:27.38 | *** part/#utah bzob (n=bzob@nat.myfamilyinc.com) |
| 22:30.01 | bonez39 | dataw0lf, absolutely... |
| 22:31.12 | Bradipo | Outlook sucks... Can't it just read a vCard and import any records it finds, not just the first! |
| 22:32.05 | mheath | Does anyone know if theres a way that one could directly help with disaster relief in new orleans? |
| 22:32.07 | jsmith | Bradipo: You're expecting too much... |
| 22:32.14 | mheath | IE, get brought down there by the red cross to volunteer |
| 22:32.19 | jsmith | mheath: Join the Coast Guard. |
| 22:32.50 | tene | I've heard that approx 1k people are going to be sent to SLC. |
| 22:33.01 | mheath | jsmith, too young :) |
| 22:33.23 | mheath | I'm just wondering if theres any direct volunteer work I could do to help, considering that I don't have any money to donate.... |
| 22:37.51 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (n=emcnabb@209.210.254.169) |
| 22:40.58 | {-} | you could take up quilting |
| 22:41.16 | {-} | find out if the red cross could help you organize a food drive |
| 22:41.39 | {-} | probably best to directly contact an aid organization and ask them |
| 22:41.42 | tene | those aren't cool, though, sjansen! |
| 22:42.04 | {-} | I don't think mheath is trying to be cool. Just help. |
| 22:51.01 | bonez39 | any suggestions on java? I run debian...want to get java installed... |
| 22:51.23 | bonez39 | I found blackdown...reading through it....to find the jdk I need... |
| 22:51.39 | graphyx | blackdown is what gentoo uses for java. |
| 22:51.44 | synic | bonez39: I usually just download sun's jdk and install it manually... |
| 22:51.44 | RyanE | I think blackdown is quite old, from what I remember. |
| 22:51.47 | *** join/#utah wps (n=wade@66.237.80.85) |
| 22:51.51 | {-} | my suggestion: grab the sun or ibm tar balls |
| 22:52.03 | synic | bonez39: extract it and set the path is about all there is to it. |
| 22:52.10 | {-} | blackdown/gcj/etc. just aren't 100% yet |
| 22:52.13 | RyanE | someone did a Java presentation a short while back in PLUG... He'd know, if I could remember who that was... |
| 22:52.41 | {-} | and most debian users fell little motivation to integrate proprietary java into the distro |
| 22:52.59 | bonez39 | so sun is the source, since they created it? |
| 22:54.13 | RyanE | well, the sun version will be the *definitive* version, whether it's the *fastest* or not, I don't recall from the presentation. |
| 22:54.14 | {-} | I prefer IBM |
| 23:02.15 | hans | {-}: so is this a permanent name change? I like it. harder to pronounce, but nice |
| 23:02.24 | hans | actually, I think I have a name for it. cyclops |
| 23:03.25 | {-} | not permanent, but extended |
| 23:03.43 | levi | It looks especially cool when surrounded by angle brackets. |
| 23:05.53 | hans | levi: then it's iff |
| 23:06.02 | iff | drat, owned |
| 23:06.04 | goozbach | bonez39: jpackage.org |
| 23:06.21 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.29 | levi | <{-}> is iff? |
| 23:06.48 | implication | oh. <-> is more or less iff. ok, so <=> is more iff than <->, but still |
| 23:07.29 | p | hmm, you can't beq |
| 23:07.32 | p | er, q |
| 23:08.09 | *** part/#utah queue (i=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net) |
| 23:10.42 | *** join/#utah chile (i=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net) |
| 23:11.31 | tuple | ooh, this one isn't taken |
| 23:11.54 | levi | Someone is having fun with his theory class. |
| 23:19.20 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker) |
| 23:19.20 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 23:19.33 | bonez39 | goozbach, thanks..I got it working from sun's package... |
| 23:19.49 | tuple | got to be cool like sjansen |
| 23:19.50 | bonez39 | goozbach, seemed to go easier this time..maybe experience or mileage at work...;) |
| 23:36.07 | levi | tuple: I saw a guy who looked remarkably like you at UVSC yesterday. |
| 23:44.54 | *** join/#utah drewbono (n=andrew@c-24-2-95-76.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:47.34 | *** join/#utah xbmodder_lappy (i=nobody@unaffiliated/xbmodder) |
| 23:48.05 | xbmodder_lappy | hey sup? |
| 23:48.11 | tene | moonbase3 |
| 23:48.15 | levi | Time to head home. |
| 23:48.24 | xbmodder_lappy | moonbase3? game? |