| 00:03.28 | hans | LUCKY |
| 00:03.45 | levi | Got them from the library. |
| 00:07.39 | hans | which season? |
| 00:07.51 | levi | 4 |
| 00:14.02 | scott_ | ST:TNG? |
| 00:14.15 | levi | Star Trek: The Next Generation |
| 00:14.17 | hans | ~revoke scott_ |
| 00:14.20 | ibot | ACTION confiscates and destroys scott_'s DNRC membership certificate |
| 00:16.17 | hans | hrmmm. ldap strongly prefers sasl, but to use sasl it's either plaintext, md5, or something way too complicated (like kerberos) |
| 00:16.23 | hans | plaintext is plaintext |
| 00:16.37 | hans | md5 means you have to store the passwords in the ldap db in plaintext |
| 00:17.04 | hans | which seems to me to be more brain damaged than just doing plaintext enforced over TLS |
| 00:17.20 | hans | but then there's no point to SASL, just use simple auth |
| 00:17.38 | hans | it's like trying to decide which windows version to use. :( |
| 00:20.39 | levi | Heh. :) |
| 00:20.46 | hans | why don't we encrypt the plaintext password with a server's public key and let the server then hash it (or just encrypt the hash I guess). then you get encryption (without TLS) and you only store hashes |
| 00:21.09 | hans | I hope there's a security hole in that that I'm missing. I hope the world isn't so dumb as to not think of that. |
| 00:22.37 | vontrapp | goozbach: what did you do yto y |
| 00:22.48 | vontrapp | dangint!!! delete doesn't backsapce |
| 00:22.52 | vontrapp | stupid macas |
| 00:22.54 | vontrapp | macs |
| 00:22.54 | hans | c-h |
| 00:22.58 | vontrapp | stupid stupid |
| 00:23.08 | vontrapp | thx hans |
| 00:23.15 | hans | if you have X, xterm works pretty well |
| 00:23.28 | vontrapp | goozbach: what id |
| 00:23.40 | vontrapp | did you do to your hands |
| 00:23.43 | vontrapp | sheesh |
| 00:23.57 | goozbach | t--- t--- t--- tday jr. |
| 00:24.04 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 00:24.07 | hans | goozbach: whatever you did to your hands is spreading to von's (fingers|brain) |
| 00:24.26 | vontrapp | i will now certainly use linux if i ever own a mac |
| 00:24.35 | goozbach | well I've been doing some stuntman work over the weekends |
| 00:24.51 | hans | just because of a little term problems? boy, back a couple of years ago you had those term problems from distro to distro |
| 00:25.04 | hans | it's a sleeping dragon/giant that always lurks beneath the surface |
| 00:25.07 | goozbach | I had a cable snap on me when I was hanging out over the asphalt going about 35MPH |
| 00:25.15 | hans | just when you think it's conquered it rears its head in a new context. |
| 00:25.33 | vontrapp | ~lart terminal issues |
| 00:25.34 | goozbach | I had to catch myself with my hands so I didn't catch myself with my face |
| 00:25.43 | vontrapp | goozbach: sounds fun |
| 00:25.51 | vontrapp | stunt work for what? |
| 00:26.07 | hans | that reminds me, that was one thing I liked about debian. terminal problems were so few compared to redhat |
| 00:26.15 | hans | i had forgotten that one |
| 00:26.38 | goozbach | vontrapp: a new movie |
| 00:26.48 | goozbach | I can't say what as of yet |
| 00:27.00 | hans | you're a stuntman? |
| 00:27.11 | vontrapp | no way, are you sure it's not an old movie? |
| 00:27.15 | hans | the new scooby doo movie? ;-) |
| 00:27.34 | hans | wraggy? |
| 00:27.43 | goozbach | hans: nope |
| 00:27.49 | vontrapp | you're doubling for scooby?! |
| 00:27.54 | goozbach | I am keanu reves double however |
| 00:27.58 | vontrapp | that's awesome |
| 00:28.20 | hans | hmm. keanu reeves. car, asphault, danger... speed 10? |
| 00:28.46 | goozbach | I should shut up now, before I'm in breach of contract |
| 00:29.04 | hans | you should have been putting spaces first all along |
| 00:29.30 | vontrapp | would it be matrix? |
| 00:29.34 | hans | no von, it's a new movie |
| 00:29.38 | vontrapp | or perhaps The Night Watchman |
| 00:29.39 | levi | Someone told me they saw something about a guy getting injured while jumping out of a vehicle on the news. |
| 00:29.41 | vontrapp | there's a new matrix |
| 00:29.53 | vontrapp | Path of Neo |
| 00:30.03 | levi | goozbach: Did you get on the news with your little stunt? |
| 00:30.31 | hans | so how do you get to be a stunt double while working for guru labs? |
| 00:30.44 | hans | when do we get to see sjansen in a stunt position? |
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| 00:32.37 | goozbach | I'm just playing around... |
| 00:32.50 | goozbach | I jumpped out of a car thurs night and fouled myself up |
| 00:33.03 | goozbach | the stuntman story is mucho better though |
| 00:33.11 | hans | yeah. definitely stick with it |
| 00:33.31 | hans | but double for eddie murphy. |
| 00:33.36 | vontrapp | whatever, don't fall for it, he's trying to cover for telling too much |
| 00:33.54 | goozbach | levi: nope I didn't make the news |
| 00:34.03 | hans | little does he know |
| 00:34.33 | Maquis | hehe |
| 00:35.11 | goozbach | hans: no, it wasn't me... |
| 00:35.27 | vontrapp | how do you get a ttf font installed on a mac |
| 00:35.36 | hans | click on it? |
| 00:35.46 | hans | there's some font manager program |
| 00:35.55 | hans | but usually you can just double-click the font I think. |
| 00:36.09 | levi | Or you can put them in the font folder. |
| 00:36.09 | hans | Font Book is its name |
| 00:36.11 | vontrapp | it's in a browser, and i click it and the browser (safari) just shows jibberish |
| 00:36.27 | hans | oh probably a bad mime-type. download it (alt-click) and try then. |
| 00:39.23 | vontrapp | woot, now i got cambodian font |
| 00:39.25 | levi | Fonts are in /Library/Fonts |
| 00:39.56 | levi | You can put them in $HOME/Library/Fonts, too |
| 01:04.59 | goozbach | ok so the girl at the salon belived my stuntman story |
| 01:05.39 | levi | Heh. |
| 01:05.52 | goozbach | this could be and interesting way to meet chicks |
| 01:06.40 | Maquis | hans: where's my grub.conf? i don't see one in /boot/grub/ |
| 01:07.03 | goozbach | menu.1st? |
| 01:07.11 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 01:07.13 | Maquis | that exists... |
| 01:07.26 | goozbach | there ya go |
| 01:08.52 | goozbach | my abraision looks worse tonight than it did last night |
| 01:12.52 | Maquis | this seems really different from the grub.conf that i'm used to |
| 01:14.25 | levi | What are you trying to do with it? |
| 01:14.58 | Maquis | add an entry for the kernel that i'm compiling |
| 01:20.13 | hans | Maquis: iirc grub is on the first-install list. ;-) |
| 01:20.24 | Maquis | hans: it's there... |
| 01:20.32 | hans | /boot/grub or /boot/boot/grub |
| 01:20.42 | hans | you're looking for menu.lst, not grub.conf |
| 01:20.43 | Maquis | but i'm not completely familiar with some things in the file that are different from how gentoo does things |
| 01:21.06 | hans | it's a regular grub file with some automagic comments that are themselves commented pretty well |
| 01:25.30 | Maquis | sjansen helped me figure out the commands in there that gentoo doesn't use... now i know what i'm doing |
| 01:37.27 | Maquis | @#$@#$ |
| 01:37.30 | Maquis | kernel panic |
| 01:37.39 | Maquis | something about not being able to load VFS |
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| 02:14.57 | bucky | god i'm glad he's getting transfered to virginia |
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| 02:30.08 | levi | What's wrong with the hybrid suv? |
| 02:31.08 | xbmodder | http://slashdot.org/ is down! |
| 02:31.43 | mheath | Seems odd to me that people would try to be environmentally concious in one way (hybrid) yet still drive the most inefficient form of car. |
| 02:31.59 | bucky | frankly... i'm sick of all these people who had every advantage of Mormon Society in order to attain their lavish lifestyle |
| 02:32.00 | mheath | xbmodder, they're preforming routine maintenance most likely. |
| 02:32.20 | bucky | and BTW... who would Jesus Bomb? |
| 02:32.30 | mheath | bucky, what do you mean? |
| 02:32.38 | mheath | I'm really not understanding you. |
| 02:33.21 | mheath | xbmodder, did you read that article I mentioned to you earlier? |
| 02:34.01 | xbmodder | mheath, No can you give me a link to it? |
| 02:34.08 | levi | The SUV is not necessarily the most inefficient form of car. |
| 02:34.32 | levi | And, being inefficient makes them a prime candidate for an efficiency-boosting technology. |
| 02:34.38 | mheath | http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20050825.html |
| 02:35.15 | mheath | levi, yes, it is. |
| 02:35.30 | levi | mheath: Proof? |
| 02:36.28 | levi | (I concede in advance that for some definitions of 'car' and 'most inefficient', your point may hold true. Thus, my 'not necessarily'.) |
| 02:36.29 | mheath | levi, just look at them. They're bigger and heavier than other forms of vehicles. Less aerodynamic too. |
| 02:37.04 | levi | What about RVs, conversion vans, and large trucks? |
| 02:37.17 | mheath | Ah, good point. |
| 02:37.36 | levi | Not to mention large sedans with big engines, and some sports cars. |
| 02:38.14 | mheath | I'm thinking about getting a motorcycle |
| 02:38.14 | mheath | I can't afford gas...... |
| 02:38.18 | mheath | And don't want to be wasting my money trying |
| 02:38.37 | levi | They're definitely fuel-efficient. |
| 02:39.42 | mheath | I like the idea of spending $10 filling up my gas tank and having that tank of gas take me farther than a full tank with my car |
| 02:40.23 | levi | My Miata takes about $15 to fill up, and I can put the top up when it gets cold and rainy. :) |
| 02:40.32 | levi | Doesn't go as far as a motorcycle though. |
| 02:41.36 | mheath | Plus I like the idea of a vehicle that has a $3,099 MSRP for an '06 model :D |
| 02:43.04 | levi | The only trick is that you have to be prepared to do one of two things: Be wet and cold, or sometimes drive a car. |
| 02:43.24 | hans | levi: not in las cruces. :) |
| 02:43.33 | levi | hans: Well, true. |
| 02:43.40 | levi | hans: But mheath is not there. |
| 02:43.45 | hans | tis true |
| 02:44.10 | levi | If I were to get a motorcycle, I'd lean more toward a BMW touring bike. |
| 02:44.18 | levi | I hate harley-style bikes. |
| 02:44.28 | dataw0lf- | Anything is better than a crotch rocket, though. |
| 02:44.32 | hans | high-handlebar, you mean? |
| 02:44.56 | bucky | Die Micron! Die!!! |
| 02:45.11 | levi | I like some things about crotch rockets, but I don't want to associate with the image. |
| 02:45.46 | bucky | BMW is more expensive than Harley and is snobbery of the highest order |
| 02:45.47 | levi | Plus, I would be tempted to do really dangerous things. |
| 02:46.20 | xbmodder | ooo |
| 02:46.22 | bucky | Aryan Engineering |
| 02:46.28 | xbmodder | I want a Cayenne |
| 02:46.51 | levi | bucky: Dude, what's with you and racial/cultural stereotypes? |
| 02:47.24 | mheath | xbmodder, ........why? |
| 02:47.25 | bucky | I didn't turn a Jewish Jesus into a Caucasian |
| 02:47.40 | hans | maybe he's a bot gathering data for some study |
| 02:47.43 | mheath | xbmodder, so you can be the proud owner of the most expensive and useless SUV in the world? |
| 02:47.50 | mheath | I mean, I like Porsche's...but come on. |
| 02:48.24 | RyanE_ | I want a Canyonero. |
| 02:48.33 | mheath | The MSRP on the Cayenne scares me |
| 02:48.44 | mheath | and they leave a lot of features you really want off that |
| 02:49.01 | bucky | I want a ban on gasoline and rationing on diesel |
| 02:49.19 | bucky | oh.. and Draft the Twins |
| 02:49.32 | mheath | The Cayenne Turbo has an MSRP of $90,000 |
| 02:50.00 | mheath | I mean, if I could afford a $90,000+ SUV....I'd just save up and spring for the Porsche Carrerra GT |
| 02:50.30 | RyanE_ | "Can you name the truck with the four-wheel drive, Smells like a steak, and seats thirty five?" |
| 02:51.00 | mheath | Then again the Carrera GT's MSRP is $440,000 |
| 02:51.14 | bucky | the Brigham Brougham? |
| 02:52.34 | bucky | http://carcino.gen.nz/images/index.php/35a796d8/7d7a7233 |
| 02:52.34 | RyanE_ | no, the Canyonero, but good guess. |
| 02:52.48 | mheath | RyanE_, just to make sure I'm not confused....thats the fake car they tried to get Krusty the Clown to endorse on Simpsons, correct? |
| 02:53.16 | RyanE_ | Homer buys one |
| 02:53.21 | RyanE_ | if I remeber correctly |
| 02:56.16 | levi | Yeah, but he gets the woman's model. |
| 02:56.35 | levi | So Marge ends up driving it. |
| 02:58.30 | levi | This bike looks cool: http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/machine/models/model.jsp?model=f650cs |
| 03:02.54 | levi | I like this one, too: http://powersports.honda.com/motorcycles/sport/model.asp?ModelName=919&ModelYear=2005&ModelId=CB900F5 |
| 03:05.34 | Maquis | xbmodder: if you want a cayenne, get a touareg --- same car, different brand |
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| 03:12.20 | mheath | xbmodder, did you read that article? |
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| 03:31.45 | xbmodder | yeah |
| 03:53.33 | Maquis | w00t!!!! |
| 03:53.45 | Maquis | 802.11 ABG fully working! |
| 03:54.35 | Maquis | now i just need to figure out how to tell apt-get to go and fetch from the internet instead of from the cd |
| 03:55.35 | bucky | change your /etc/apt/sources.list file and apt-get update |
| 03:56.03 | Maquis | i found apt-setup |
| 03:56.08 | Maquis | looks like that's a slightly easier way |
| 03:56.17 | Maquis | ~hug fully-supported wireless cards |
| 03:56.24 | ibot | ACTION hugs fully-supported wireless cards |
| 03:56.57 | Maquis | which repositories are best? |
| 03:57.06 | bucky | progeny.com |
| 03:57.52 | Maquis | ok... so i'm currently pointing at progeny, xmission and berkeley |
| 03:58.17 | Maquis | should that cover everything for now? |
| 03:59.09 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 03:59.22 | Maquis | apt-cache search Xorg isn't returning anything... |
| 03:59.48 | bucky | xorg isn't in sarge |
| 04:00.07 | Maquis | oh... is it still xfree86? |
| 04:00.13 | Maquis | is there a way to get xorg? |
| 04:00.18 | levi | Yeah. But you can get xorg from unstable. |
| 04:00.27 | RyanE_ | you must go to the dark side. |
| 04:00.40 | Maquis | how do i do that? i've never used debian before (in case you couldn't tell) |
| 04:01.01 | levi | Well, that depends on whether you want to go straight unstable or just use a few package. |
| 04:01.04 | levi | packages. |
| 04:01.13 | Maquis | ummm |
| 04:01.14 | Maquis | i don't know |
| 04:01.19 | bucky | what do you need xorg for ? |
| 04:01.36 | Maquis | bucky: i dunno... it's just what i've used... |
| 04:03.04 | bucky | the only thing it does that xfree86 doesn't do is real transparency... and that's a pain because most compositors aren't working real well yet |
| 04:03.41 | bucky | xfce4 has the only decent compositor |
| 04:04.45 | levi | Maquis: I just run straight unstable. I think hans could give you better directions for mixing. |
| 04:06.11 | levi | Maquis: But if you do want to run unstable, you edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change the urls to point to the unstable directories instead of stable or testing or whatever they are. |
| 04:06.20 | levi | I'm not sure if xorg is in testing or not. |
| 04:06.35 | Maquis | ah... |
| 04:06.44 | bucky | unstable is not usually a good idea unless you like solving your own dev type problems and coming up with some of your own configs sometimes |
| 04:07.16 | Maquis | bucky: i'm a gentooer |
| 04:07.42 | xbmodder | me too |
| 04:07.51 | levi | Maquis: The upgrade to xorg is trivial, so I'd just wait on it. |
| 04:07.54 | bucky | i used to run unstable... i just got tired of fixing everything after every upgrade |
| 04:11.05 | Newsome | Maquis: if it's an LCD, sync rate is irrelevant |
| 04:11.13 | Maquis | Newsome: really? |
| 04:12.45 | Maquis | Newsome: is ssh blocked from the cs dept? |
| 04:12.50 | Maquis | or did OIT go crazy again? |
| 04:13.10 | Newsome | Maquis: sync rate is important on CRTs because the electron gun can only move across and down the screen at a certain rate |
| 04:13.10 | Maquis | i can't ssh into schizo |
| 04:13.59 | Newsome | probably a lab that is being imaged |
| 04:14.20 | Newsome | hmm, maybe not |
| 04:14.24 | Maquis | Newsome: if that was the issue, wouldn't 4 or 5 attempts have at least one work? |
| 04:15.33 | xbmodder | maybe |
| 04:16.28 | Newsome | hmm, yeah, you'd think... |
| 04:17.34 | Newsome | hmm, they're probably still up at emcnabb's for the party |
| 04:19.24 | Maquis | "Fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 04:19.26 | Maquis | :( |
| 04:25.45 | Maquis | hmm |
| 04:25.54 | Maquis | looks like i might have to go to x.org regardless |
| 04:26.11 | Maquis | googling for info on getting the Mobility X300 working.... |
| 04:26.22 | Maquis | ~lart ATI |
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| 04:41.00 | Newsome | Maquis: are you trying to do the xorg drivers or the ATI accelerated drivers? |
| 04:41.50 | Maquis | Newsome: i currently can't figure out how to get xorg in the first place |
| 04:42.02 | Maquis | this is my first time using debian |
| 04:42.17 | Maquis | i'm in testing, and it looks like i'm limited to XFree86 |
| 04:42.21 | Maquis | which isn't very helpful |
| 04:42.31 | Maquis | i found this online: |
| 04:42.38 | Maquis | $ sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<your-kernel-version> xorg-driver-fglrx |
| 04:42.45 | Maquis | but i can't get it to work |
| 04:42.59 | Newsome | that's the accelerated driver from ATI. |
| 04:43.22 | Maquis | honestly, right now, i just want X to start |
| 04:48.02 | Maquis | Newsome: so it really doesn't matter what i put in for sync rates? i thought i had had some problems with that previously.... |
| 04:49.18 | Newsome | here's mine... not sure if it'll help or not - http://tuxrocks.com/tmp/xorg.conf |
| 04:49.23 | dataw0lf- | Nvidia Uber Alles |
| 04:49.44 | Newsome | I've got an ATI, and wish I had nVidia |
| 04:49.49 | Maquis | Newsome: thanks |
| 04:51.24 | dataw0lf- | Newsome: looking to buy a Nvidia card? I have several lying around. |
| 04:53.02 | Newsome | dataw0lf: any of them work in a Dell laptop? ;) |
| 04:53.11 | Maquis | dataw0lf-: if they work in a thinkpad..... |
| 04:55.19 | dataw0lf- | hm. No and no :) |
| 04:55.38 | dataw0lf- | I am picking up my 7800 pci-x next week |
| 04:55.48 | Maquis | anyone know how to get debian testing to install xorg? |
| 04:57.38 | levi | http://www.qwantz.com/index.pl?comic=548 |
| 04:57.43 | Maquis | anyone? |
| 04:57.56 | Maquis | Newsome: i'm trying to just get *something* up and running tonight |
| 04:58.59 | xbmodder | Maquis, what card? |
| 04:59.09 | Maquis | Radeon x300 |
| 04:59.16 | levi | Maquis: I suggest switching to unstable, running apt-get update, installing x.org, and then switching back. |
| 04:59.16 | Maquis | ok... starting question |
| 04:59.20 | xbmodder | that should be easy? |
| 04:59.49 | Newsome | does unstable have xorg instead of XFree86? |
| 04:59.53 | Maquis | what types of things will cause a "no screens found" error? |
| 05:00.09 | xbmodder | what does lspci say it is? |
| 05:00.09 | mheath | Maquis, incorrectly configured graphics card or monitor settings |
| 05:00.26 | xbmodder | Maquis, post Xorg config file? |
| 05:00.34 | mheath | Maquis, doesn't that card support VESA or VGA? |
| 05:00.43 | levi | Maquis: It means that none of the configurations in the conf file were valid for the card. |
| 05:00.51 | mheath | Maquis, you could just stick with a VESA or VGA driver and mode until you have time to sort this out. |
| 05:00.52 | levi | Maquis: You might want to check the log to see why. |
| 05:02.10 | levi | Maquis: Check /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 05:02.30 | Maquis | i checked the log and i don't know what it's saying... it looks like it might've tried a whole bunch of drivers and all of them failed |
| 05:02.34 | Maquis | i'm not sure though |
| 05:03.53 | Newsome | Maquis: try posting it to http://pastebin.com/ and maybe we can make some sense out of it |
| 05:04.21 | Maquis | Newsome: i'll see if i can get it there using links |
| 05:04.46 | Maquis | actually, it'll be easier if i can post it to my cs account |
| 05:04.49 | mheath | Maquis, whats the result if you tell startx to probe for the correct configuration? |
| 05:04.51 | Maquis | er.... |
| 05:04.52 | Newsome | ah, right |
| 05:04.56 | Maquis | no cs account? |
| 05:05.00 | Newsome | hrm |
| 05:05.02 | Maquis | are the servers still down? |
| 05:06.44 | Newsome | okay, how about dropping it via ftp onto tuxrocks.com in /uploads |
| 05:06.56 | Maquis | ok... i'll try that |
| 05:06.57 | Newsome | I can post it somewhere |
| 05:08.42 | Maquis | Newsome: what user/pass? |
| 05:08.59 | Newsome | do you have lftp installed? |
| 05:09.08 | Maquis | not yet... but i can... |
| 05:09.25 | Newsome | or ncftp? |
| 05:09.38 | Maquis | i'm in the process of installing lftp |
| 05:09.40 | Maquis | should be done shortly |
| 05:09.48 | Newsome | both should log in as anon by default |
| 05:09.53 | Maquis | ok |
| 05:12.20 | mheath | xbmodder, still as confident in your google investment after reading that article? |
| 05:12.37 | Maquis | Newsome: access failed |
| 05:13.07 | Newsome | hrm |
| 05:13.53 | Newsome | did you cd /uploads ? |
| 05:14.11 | Maquis | oh... that gave an error that i didn't see |
| 05:14.26 | Maquis | pub/uploads: No such file or directory |
| 05:14.45 | Maquis | ummm... /pub/uploads |
| 05:15.58 | Maquis | ha |
| 05:16.01 | Maquis | cd .. |
| 05:16.05 | Maquis | and then cd uploads |
| 05:16.35 | Maquis | Newsome: i put the log and the xf86config |
| 05:17.29 | Newsome | okay. I've moved them to http://tuxrocks.com/tmp/maquis/ for anyone following along |
| 05:17.46 | goozbach | blargfooblarg |
| 05:18.14 | Maquis | goozbach: any chance you can help? |
| 05:18.21 | Maquis | you have a computer that's pretty similar to this one |
| 05:19.11 | goozbach | stick with VESA till you can track dax down or until evan or I have gotten dax to show us how to install the rv300 driver |
| 05:19.17 | goozbach | (the opensource one) |
| 05:19.27 | goozbach | I've installed the fglrx driver |
| 05:19.44 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 05:19.47 | Maquis | not sure how to do that |
| 05:19.47 | goozbach | it kinda stinks, taints the kernel, and is a pain to install/upgrade |
| 05:19.54 | Maquis | i can't get x to start |
| 05:22.02 | Newsome | Maquis: In your "Screen 1" section, try changing Device to "Standard VGA" |
| 05:25.34 | Maquis | Newsome: ok... how do i convince it to use VESA? |
| 05:26.20 | Newsome | not sure, but that should tell it to use the vga driver |
| 05:26.43 | Maquis | still no luck |
| 05:26.53 | Maquis | i thought that the "Device" was a free-text field... |
| 05:26.54 | Newsome | same kind of errors? |
| 05:27.07 | Maquis | that's what the config program said, at least |
| 05:27.37 | Maquis | Newsome: looks like the same error to me |
| 05:27.44 | Newsome | hmm |
| 05:28.58 | Maquis | it gives quite a bit of debugging information, but i'm not sure how helpful the Active PCI resource ranges actually are |
| 05:30.01 | levi | In section "Device" there should be a Driver line. |
| 05:30.46 | Maquis | levi: mmmk... and the driver is? |
| 05:30.57 | levi | What do you have listed now? |
| 05:31.27 | levi | See /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers for the ones that are availab.e |
| 05:31.34 | Maquis | it saus |
| 05:31.38 | Maquis | "vga" |
| 05:32.07 | levi | You can try "vesa" there. Also, "ati" might be a good one to try, if that wasn't causing your initial problem. |
| 05:32.08 | Maquis | oh... |
| 05:32.16 | Maquis | but in a different space, it says "radeon" for driver |
| 05:33.00 | levi | Well, vesa, vga, and ati are all ones that you might try there. |
| 05:33.38 | levi | Also, is that log file somewhere where I can see it? |
| 05:34.13 | Maquis | yeah... newsome has it someplace... let me see if i can see where he posted it |
| 05:34.24 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.54 | Maquis | i just want to get this thing working tonight |
| 05:36.03 | levi | Looks like the radeon driver doesn't support your card. Have you tried the ati, vga, or vesa ones yet? |
| 05:36.29 | Maquis | i've tried vga and vesa |
| 05:36.31 | Maquis | not ati yet |
| 05:36.48 | Newsome | Maquis: is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 the same file you posted? |
| 05:36.48 | levi | Neither vga nor vesa worked? What did they do? |
| 05:37.17 | Maquis | Newsome: huh? |
| 05:37.23 | Maquis | levi: same error as before |
| 05:37.33 | Newsome | Maquis: from your logfile: Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" |
| 05:38.15 | Newsome | but you uploaded XF86Config |
| 05:38.17 | Maquis | Newsome: grr |
| 05:38.19 | Maquis | thanks |
| 05:38.20 | Newsome | are those the same files? |
| 05:39.12 | Maquis | when i generated from the config program, it saved it to a different name, and i didn't notice |
| 05:39.52 | Maquis | ok... copied it over, and still the same problem |
| 05:40.46 | levi | When you say the same problem, is the log file exactly the same? |
| 05:41.08 | Maquis | levi: i don't see any differences... i didn't check the hex info there, but it seems the same as far as i can see |
| 05:41.22 | levi | Did you try vesa again? |
| 05:41.38 | Maquis | levi: will do |
| 05:41.52 | Maquis | in the mean-time, i'll upload the other file also so if maybe that one's closer.... |
| 05:41.57 | levi | And make sure you edit the device section with the same identifier that you use down in your screen section. |
| 05:44.04 | Maquis | hey... we're making progress |
| 05:44.12 | Maquis | now i've got something coming up, but it looks hideous |
| 05:44.23 | levi | How so? |
| 05:44.36 | Maquis | it's got grey, white and black lines... |
| 05:44.47 | Maquis | let me add evilwm, and i can probably do a screenshot |
| 05:45.23 | Newsome | probably just low-resolution with no window manager |
| 05:45.57 | Newsome | LCDs usually look lousy at anything other than native resolution |
| 05:47.04 | Maquis | Newsome: this looks like it's probably the native resolution |
| 05:47.27 | Maquis | i could be wrong, though |
| 05:47.54 | Newsome | this might help: xdpyinfo|grep dimensions |
| 05:48.19 | Maquis | 1280x1024 pixels |
| 05:48.32 | Maquis | actually, you might be right |
| 05:48.38 | Maquis | i think the native for this is 1400x1050 |
| 05:49.34 | Newsome | okay, try xrandr |
| 05:50.04 | Maquis | what am i looking for? |
| 05:50.12 | Newsome | it should list "native" resolutions possible |
| 05:50.35 | Maquis | i changed the XFree86 file, and it looks a lot better now |
| 05:50.40 | Maquis | i think it |
| 05:50.44 | Maquis | s right now |
| 05:52.18 | Maquis | many thanks to all of you! |
| 05:52.26 | Maquis | it looks like this is possibly working for now!!!! |
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| 06:08.06 | dataw0lf- | Maquis: there are some very cheap air conditioners at Best Buy (100 bucks) that easily keep my 2 bedroom / 2 bathroom apartment cool. |
| 06:08.29 | Maquis | dataw0lf-: the biggest problem is that my roommates are from california and vegas |
| 06:08.31 | Maquis | and i'm from seattle |
| 06:08.48 | Maquis | so, we've got some different requirements when it comes to temperature in the apartment |
| 06:10.12 | dataw0lf- | ah. |
| 06:10.14 | dataw0lf- | roommates suck. |
| 06:11.46 | Maquis | yeah... at least i have my own room this year |
| 06:13.02 | dataw0lf- | had to share a room my freshman year at Purdue. That was pure Hell. |
| 06:13.20 | Maquis | i've shared rooms the past 3 years |
| 06:13.27 | Maquis | sometimes good, sometimes really bad |
| 06:15.27 | Hhhhh | hey guys, what was the name of the RHEL without RedHat logos? Was it CentOS? |
| 06:15.42 | Maquis | Hhhhh: that's one of them |
| 06:15.48 | Maquis | i think there's one called whitebox or something too |
| 06:15.53 | Maquis | but i think centos is the more popular one |
| 06:25.22 | levi | G'night. |
| 06:29.42 | dataw0lf- | Maquis: that sounds about right. |
| 06:29.50 | dataw0lf- | and, yeah, I think the other was called Whitebox |
| 06:31.17 | Maquis | w00t! |
| 06:37.15 | goozbach | scientfic as well |
| 06:37.36 | goozbach | cent being the most popular |
| 06:38.30 | Maquis | ~lart goozbach |
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| 06:50.40 | goozbach | wadda did i do? |
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| 16:42.33 | vontrapp | anyone not at church? |
| 16:42.48 | mheath | Me. |
| 16:43.00 | vontrapp | do you own an ipod? |
| 16:43.14 | mheath | Heh, no. I don't have that kind of money. |
| 16:43.19 | vontrapp | do they act as a usb storage device? |
| 16:43.55 | vontrapp | it's weird, fdisk is showing partitions that don't end on boundaries, or have inconsistencies |
| 16:44.08 | vontrapp | but i don't have any /dev/sda[123] etc |
| 16:44.22 | mheath | No, you can't just mount /dev/sda* and copy over music |
| 16:44.29 | vontrapp | syslog reports that usb-storage was loaded |
| 16:45.09 | mheath | You have to use a tool made for copying music to/from the iPod |
| 16:45.20 | vontrapp | is there one for linux? |
| 16:45.30 | mheath | Yeah, hold on a second.. |
| 16:46.19 | mheath | http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=ipod§ion=projects&Go.x=11&Go.y=15 |
| 16:54.27 | goozbach | amarok has that ability as well |
| 17:12.23 | mheath | I want some opinions.... |
| 17:13.13 | mheath | Do you think there would be a market for a $100 computer that comes with everything you need for web browsing, instant messaging, e-mail, word processing, basic/older gaming, etc? |
| 17:13.48 | mheath | Designed to plug into the most common household appliance, the TV, so theres no need for a monitor (which ends up usually being the most expensive component of very low end computers) |
| 17:17.36 | goozbach | wait a second... isn't this the pitch for webtv? ;) |
| 17:20.43 | mheath | Heh. |
| 17:21.20 | mheath | Do you think there would be a market for it, though? A full desktop computer, probably P2 based, for $100 or less |
| 17:31.57 | xbmodder | Anyone here have a google mini? |
| 17:32.53 | mheath | One of those search appliance things? |
| 17:33.39 | mheath | I've never seen the need for such a thing. Seems that if your company was in a situation where you needed searching for your intranet, you'd already have the hardware to run it. |
| 17:33.54 | xbmodder | yeah |
| 17:33.57 | xbmodder | but the software |
| 17:34.04 | xbmodder | My idea is to get an image |
| 17:34.59 | mheath | Hahaha. I love the fact that you want to steal software from a company you have large amounts of money invested in. |
| 17:35.10 | xbmodder | Works with over 220 different file formats, including HTML, PDF and Microsoft Office. |
| 17:35.14 | xbmodder | not large amouns? |
| 17:35.16 | xbmodder | *amounts |
| 17:35.31 | mheath | How much do you have invested? |
| 17:35.39 | xbmodder | like ~9,500 |
| 17:35.48 | mheath | Thats a lot. |
| 17:36.03 | xbmodder | 351 |
| 17:36.09 | xbmodder | :) |
| 17:36.43 | mheath | Still as confident in your investment after reading that article I pointed you to? |
| 17:37.05 | xbmodder | Yes, sir! |
| 17:40.35 | mheath | xbmodder, those search appliances are usually only owned by large companies or organizations |
| 17:40.49 | mheath | IE, people who aren't going to let you steal the software from them |
| 17:41.19 | xbmodder | mheath, damnit |
| 17:59.25 | mheath | Anyone here drive a motorcycle? I was wondering if someone could explain the process required to get licensed to drive one in Utah. |
| 18:23.42 | RyanE_ | mheath, do you already have a Utah Drivers' license? |
| 18:25.19 | mheath | RyanE_, Yes. |
| 18:25.26 | mheath | Just a standard one |
| 18:25.52 | RyanE_ | I think you just take an additional test and pay an additional fee. |
| 18:26.26 | RyanE_ | there's a manual for motorcycles here: http://driverlicense.utah.gov/handbook/index.html |
| 18:26.41 | RyanE_ | I would just call Drivers License Division, and they'll tell you what is required. |
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| 20:10.27 | tensai | vontrapp: have you seen this site? http://www.cavecanen.org/linux/ipod/ |
| 20:10.41 | Maquis | question... in gentoo and others, to get the computer to boot to the command-line rather than to X, you change the runlevel to 3 |
| 20:10.53 | tensai | it appears you can use the ipod as a generic mass storage device, but that's not enough to get songs to show up in the playlist |
| 20:11.08 | Maquis | however, it appears that it's different in debian... |
| 20:11.17 | tensai | Maquis: yes, that's different in debian |
| 20:11.19 | Maquis | for some reason, debian has 2-5 all going to the same place |
| 20:11.45 | Maquis | tensai: is there an easy way that i'm missing for changing that? |
| 20:12.18 | tensai | rm /etc/rc3.d/S99[gxk]dm |
| 20:13.40 | Maquis | tensai: cool |
| 20:13.42 | Maquis | thanks |
| 20:14.21 | levi | Yeah, just pick a runlevel and customize it by removing the symlinks in its controlling rcx.d directory. |
| 20:14.29 | Maquis | cool |
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| 20:25.44 | Supaplex | or how much anyone wastes :) |
| 20:26.50 | Maquis | Supaplex: true |
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| 21:23.24 | Maquis | w00t! |
| 21:23.40 | Maquis | and it's tiny |
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| 23:11.18 | goozbach | I can see disneyland from my hotel |
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