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| 00:12.50 | levi | Gah, after this term I have about 20 classes left to take. |
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| 00:32.09 | xbmodder | hey |
| 00:33.38 | mheath | xbmodder, increase in value, or from dividends? |
| 00:37.36 | xbmodder | value |
| 00:37.42 | xbmodder | dividends don't make too much |
| 00:38.47 | xbmodder | unless i got something like a 50 thousand |
| 00:38.51 | mheath | They do, it depends on how much you have invested. |
| 00:38.58 | xbmodder | yeah |
| 00:39.00 | xbmodder | true |
| 00:39.02 | mheath | We earn about $2,000/month from dividends |
| 00:39.15 | xbmodder | I need like another 40,000 dollars |
| 00:39.33 | mheath | Then again, we have $750,000 invested... |
| 00:39.54 | xbmodder | ah |
| 00:40.00 | xbmodder | Can I have some ;-) |
| 00:40.35 | mheath | If it was mine to openly access, I'd give you some. |
| 00:40.42 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 00:40.59 | Maquis | question... what makes slackware different from the other linuxes |
| 00:41.00 | Maquis | ? |
| 00:41.15 | mheath | Maquis, simpler, lighter weight |
| 00:41.22 | Maquis | mmmhmmm |
| 00:41.32 | mheath | more conservative, and more stable |
| 00:41.35 | tene | someone I know was just offered a job by google |
| 00:41.46 | tene | Senior Systems Administrator / Architect |
| 00:41.49 | Maquis | mheath: package management? (how?) |
| 00:41.51 | Maquis | tene: that's sweet |
| 00:41.53 | xbmodder | tene, ahh |
| 00:42.01 | mheath | tene, and someone you know is insane if they don't take it |
| 00:42.01 | tene | Perfect match for his resume. |
| 00:42.07 | xbmodder | tene, thats so sweet |
| 00:42.07 | tene | But he can't move his family right now. |
| 00:42.17 | xbmodder | tene, I will take this place :) |
| 00:42.22 | mheath | Maquis, a very lightweight package management system |
| 00:42.43 | mheath | Basically just .tgz's (.tar.gz's) that are an image of what needs to be installed |
| 00:43.07 | tene | He used to live and work in seattle, and that's one of the places that they said he could work at. |
| 00:43.07 | xbmodder | Maquis, I thought you were a geek -- use gentoo! |
| 00:43.16 | tene | But he moved recently |
| 00:43.31 | mheath | Maquis, doesn't do dependency checking |
| 00:43.39 | mheath | which some users dislike, but you usually don't have to worry about |
| 00:44.36 | Supaplex | so it's a rip off of slackerware |
| 00:44.57 | mheath | Maquis, Slackware is just Linux in a simple, conservative, pure manner. |
| 00:50.20 | Maquis | xbmodder: gentoo installation is being a pain |
| 00:50.28 | Maquis | i don't have internet access on the computer that i'm installing onto |
| 00:50.56 | Maquis | mheath: by not doing dependency checking, do you mean that it doesn't check to see if you have the dependencies yet? |
| 00:51.03 | Maquis | or does it not check when removing? |
| 00:51.12 | mheath | Maquis, it doesn't check to see if you have the dependencies yet |
| 00:51.20 | Maquis | mheath: hmmm... |
| 00:51.20 | Maquis | mmk |
| 00:51.28 | mheath | Again, I just did an entire slackware install and installed a bunch of other software.... |
| 00:51.34 | mheath | and I had 0 dependency problems |
| 00:51.42 | xbmodder | Maquis, :( |
| 00:51.57 | tene | Maquis: FC4 |
| 00:52.00 | mheath | Give Slackware a try. |
| 00:52.01 | hans | debian |
| 00:52.04 | Maquis | once i get that one installed and info copied over, i can experiement a bit on this machine |
| 00:52.14 | Maquis | hans: i'm trying, but i can't figure out which isos i need to download |
| 00:53.28 | hans | what architecture? |
| 00:53.38 | Maquis | x86 |
| 00:53.59 | hans | http://www.us.debian.org/CD/ - you want the minimal bootable cd image |
| 00:54.15 | Maquis | hans: but in order to do it with minimal, don't i need internet access on the machine? |
| 00:54.25 | Maquis | (to finish the install)? |
| 00:54.26 | hans | yes. if you don't have that, you'll want something else |
| 00:54.36 | Maquis | i currently only have wireless internet access |
| 00:54.37 | hans | will you ever have internet on this machine? If not you'll probably want more than one CD |
| 00:54.44 | Maquis | i will eventually have internet |
| 00:54.50 | hans | how eventually? |
| 00:54.56 | Maquis | but currently the only internet is wireless, which isn't set up yet |
| 00:55.01 | Maquis | i don't know how eventually |
| 00:55.17 | Maquis | hopefully soon |
| 00:55.17 | hans | oh, you have to figure out the wireless first |
| 00:55.20 | Maquis | yeah |
| 00:55.22 | hans | ok, then don't get the minimal |
| 00:55.35 | hans | download full with jigdo |
| 00:56.14 | Maquis | i was looking at the jigdo, but it wanted to know which jigdo files to download, and there were a bunch of them listed |
| 00:56.20 | xbmodder | anyone here running netbsd |
| 00:57.12 | xbmodder | anyone here messed with Single Board Computers |
| 00:57.37 | hans | jigdo isn't hard |
| 00:57.49 | Maquis | hans: it doesn't look hard |
| 00:57.49 | hans | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/jigdo-cd/ |
| 00:57.59 | hans | or if you have a dvd burner: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/jigdo-dvd/ |
| 00:57.59 | Maquis | i just don't know which cd to download |
| 00:58.10 | hans | just binary-1 |
| 00:58.14 | Maquis | ok |
| 00:58.17 | hans | debian only needs one cd |
| 00:58.21 | hans | but of course you can get more |
| 00:58.35 | hans | each cd has the most popular software that wasn't on an earlier cd |
| 00:58.55 | Maquis | ah |
| 01:09.42 | mheath | http://www.geocities.com/joltrush2004/screenshot.png my sexy new desktop |
| 01:12.41 | levi | I can't stand the zooming icons in the dock. |
| 01:13.38 | levi | Looks nice otherwise, though. |
| 01:14.14 | levi | But then again, most desktops look nice when they're mostly just a background image. |
| 01:15.18 | hans | no way, you need an ugly background image to remind you to keep it covered with a thousand terminals |
| 01:15.19 | mheath | levi, my background image is better than most |
| 01:15.21 | mheath | Its animated :D |
| 01:15.33 | levi | I don't think I'd care for that, either. |
| 01:15.34 | hans | ooh, <blink>! |
| 01:15.42 | levi | But if you like it, that's cool. |
| 01:15.47 | mheath | levi, its not anything big |
| 01:15.56 | mheath | The E logo on the horizon just glimmers a bit |
| 01:16.23 | levi | Yes, but I don't want motion on my screen at all that isn't information-bearing. |
| 01:16.32 | xbmodder | grm |
| 01:18.11 | levi | Time to head home. |
| 01:19.06 | hans | are you saying you can see through doors? |
| 01:19.25 | Maquis | hans: no... but the locks on the door... leave much to be desired... :) |
| 01:20.06 | Maquis | i was thinking that it might be a useful way to learn lockpicking... so that that way, i could lock the door when i'm not in the room as well as when i'm in the room |
| 01:20.28 | Maquis | then, i looked at the lock |
| 01:21.50 | Maquis | i suppose i might as well still use it that way |
| 01:22.02 | Maquis | chances are, my roommates won't figure the locks out anytime soon |
| 01:26.23 | xbmodder | cool |
| 01:26.42 | Maquis | mheath: i can't see your image... |
| 01:27.01 | mheath | What happens when you try? |
| 01:27.22 | mheath | oh |
| 01:27.23 | Maquis | it says The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated data transfer. Visit our help area for more information. |
| 01:27.26 | Maquis | Access to this site will be restored within an hour. Please try again later. |
| 01:27.27 | mheath | one second |
| 01:27.29 | Maquis | http://www.geocities.com/joltrush2004/screenshot.png |
| 01:27.40 | mheath | that was me being too lazy to use FTP and upload it toa decent place...one sec.. |
| 01:30.00 | mheath | Maquis, http://mheath.datamachine.net/images/screenshot.png |
| 01:30.14 | mheath | be right back, I'm going to rent a movie... |
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| 01:59.25 | xbmodder | Whats the cheapest thing that runs linux with two ethernet ports or one ethernet port and an expansion slot? |
| 02:00.08 | tene_ | eh? |
| 02:00.20 | xbmodder | eh? |
| 02:00.29 | xbmodder | something that runs linux/bsd |
| 02:00.31 | xbmodder | thats cheap |
| 02:00.50 | tene_ | depends on your requirements |
| 02:01.17 | xbmodder | tene_, it has to be available at a low price |
| 02:01.21 | xbmodder | two ethernet ports |
| 02:01.26 | xbmodder | minimum 133 Mhz |
| 02:01.35 | xbmodder | *50 MHz |
| 02:01.50 | tene_ | go to, like, DI or something. |
| 02:02.04 | tene_ | find a really old box for, like, $10 |
| 02:02.06 | xbmodder | di? |
| 02:02.13 | tene_ | it's a utah thing |
| 02:02.23 | tene_ | I still don't understand what your connection to Utah is... |
| 02:02.30 | xbmodder | tene_, A real ~SBC thing |
| 02:02.36 | tene_ | as you don't like here and never have |
| 02:02.37 | tene_ | SBC? |
| 02:02.45 | xbmodder | tene_, i stalked emcnabb |
| 02:02.50 | xbmodder | thats my connection :) |
| 02:02.57 | xbmodder | sbc=single board computer |
| 02:03.32 | tene_ | so... what do you mean by "A real ~SBC thing"? |
| 02:03.46 | xbmodder | something thats an SBC |
| 02:03.50 | tene_ | err |
| 02:03.53 | tene_ | why did you say it |
| 02:03.55 | tene_ | ? |
| 02:04.07 | tene_ | What information were you trying to convey? |
| 02:04.08 | xbmodder | because it must be like an SBC |
| 02:04.18 | tene_ | Your statement has no verb. |
| 02:04.39 | xbmodder | tene_, my friends down in south cali are distrubuting OC3 lines in his neighborhood |
| 02:04.59 | tene_ | xbmodder: I had a hamburger for dinner. |
| 02:05.03 | xbmodder | they need boxes to translate ethernet to VPN |
| 02:05.14 | xbmodder | tene_, It must be like a single board computer |
| 02:05.28 | tene_ | See, that's a requirement. |
| 02:05.44 | tene_ | you didn't mention that before. |
| 02:06.05 | xbmodder | yeah |
| 02:06.09 | xbmodder | I messed up. |
| 02:06.18 | tene_ | s'okay |
| 02:07.59 | tene_ | I have no idea |
| 02:08.25 | xbmodder | lol |
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| 02:35.23 | tene_ | okay |
| 02:35.31 | tene_ | what's a decent browser that's not firefox? |
| 02:35.42 | tene_ | epiphany is bugging me too much. |
| 02:36.01 | xbmodder | opera |
| 02:36.06 | xbmodder | konqeuror |
| 02:36.07 | tene_ | and firefox is all super freaked out |
| 02:36.20 | xbmodder | I am listening to the opera CEO right now |
| 02:36.28 | xbmodder | gots it? |
| 02:36.40 | tene_ | gots an opera CEO? |
| 02:36.47 | xbmodder | thats too |
| 02:37.01 | xbmodder | mainly have you tried konq and opera? |
| 02:37.21 | tene_ | yeah, I was going to use konq, but then I realized that I'd have to install KDE to use it |
| 02:37.29 | xbmodder | bbiaf |
| 02:37.31 | tene_ | but now I've decided to just install it anyway |
| 02:45.55 | xbmodder | lol |
| 02:52.59 | tene_ | ... crap |
| 02:53.13 | tene_ | konqueror doesn't do anything with google in the main address bar |
| 02:53.17 | tene_ | and plays annoying sounds |
| 02:56.44 | xbmodder | lol |
| 02:56.53 | xbmodder | links -g |
| 03:13.17 | Maquis | ack! |
| 03:13.28 | Maquis | everything else recognizes my ethernet card just fine |
| 03:14.11 | Maquis | debian is asking me what module it needs to load... i haven't the slightest idea, and all the ones that *should* be the right ones (ie, the ones for what my ethernet card is supposed to be) won't load |
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| 03:15.14 | Maquis | could that be because there isn't anything plugged in there? |
| 03:15.38 | tene_ | yeah, debian's freaky |
| 03:20.47 | tene_ | debian doesn't like anyone. |
| 03:37.22 | brailsmt | any suggestions for an inexpensive, linux compatible 802.11g card? |
| 03:37.34 | brailsmt | both PCI and PCMCIA? |
| 03:42.26 | xbmodder | brailsmt, where do you live? |
| 03:42.40 | brailsmt | Missouri |
| 03:42.45 | xbmodder | :-/ |
| 03:42.53 | brailsmt | :) |
| 03:42.55 | xbmodder | Fry's electronics' AirLink cards |
| 03:47.30 | xbmodder | yay one step closer to getting a girlfriend |
| 03:47.31 | xbmodder | :) |
| 03:47.40 | xbmodder | brailsmt, hmm |
| 03:47.48 | xbmodder | brailsmt, you don't have Fry's there eh? |
| 03:49.01 | mrpull_ | fry's is dope. it would be nice to have one in utah |
| 03:54.08 | brailsmt | no, but we do have microcenter which kicks butt... |
| 03:54.38 | brailsmt | i have yet to find a sales person that didn't use linux... |
| 03:55.21 | brailsmt | and that is enough to keep my business |
| 03:55.49 | xbmodder | lol |
| 03:55.50 | xbmodder | cool |
| 03:56.00 | xbmodder | brailsmt, find the cheapest card |
| 03:56.08 | xbmodder | SMS it to an email address |
| 03:56.14 | xbmodder | and we'll analyze it |
| 03:57.45 | brailsmt | any old email address? |
| 03:57.47 | brailsmt | :) |
| 03:58.06 | brailsmt | I bought this one... Hawking HWC54G |
| 03:58.14 | xbmodder | news[-1*i] |
| 03:58.44 | brailsmt | was that supposed to make sense? |
| 03:58.48 | brailsmt | :) |
| 03:59.30 | tene_ | Maquis: fc4 |
| 04:00.08 | brailsmt | Maquis: you don't need the internet to install gentoo :) |
| 04:00.37 | brailsmt | it just makes it easier... |
| 04:09.02 | xbmodder | brailsmt, python it is |
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| 06:05.18 | levi | Good evening. |
| 06:05.44 | misterpull | what's up Levi? |
| 06:05.58 | levi | Just got back from the Desert Star Theater. |
| 06:06.13 | misterpull | what was playing? |
| 06:07.50 | levi | CSI Provo: Decaffeinated DNA |
| 06:08.10 | misterpull | i've been there on a couple occasions. it is pretty fun. |
| 06:08.35 | levi | I've had season tickets for a couple of years now. |
| 06:09.20 | misterpull | the shows i saw weren't exactly memorable... I think a lone ranger spoof... and maybe phantom of the opera? |
| 06:09.49 | misterpull | but still fun. I haven't been since they had the steak house. Is that any good? |
| 06:11.53 | levi | I saw the Phantom of the Opera one. I liked it. |
| 06:12.18 | levi | I think it was the Phantom one. Maybe I'm confusing that with their Les Mis one. |
| 06:17.07 | misterpull | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.05 | levi | I've got a friend who buys group tickets for the Broadway shows and gets excellent seats for a bit of a discount. |
| 06:19.36 | levi | So I've seen a ton of those big shows there. Usually 3 or 4 a year. |
| 06:19.48 | misterpull | my dad used to work for a corporate sponser... they got primo tickets for "free" |
| 06:20.06 | levi | That'd be nice. :) |
| 06:20.07 | misterpull | i miss him working there :) |
| 06:20.22 | levi | I often sit in the first two rows. It's pretty cool. |
| 06:20.30 | misterpull | no more free sports, symphony, theater tix :( |
| 06:20.49 | misterpull | we still go a couple times a year |
| 06:27.57 | levi | That's cool. I enjoy going to the theater. |
| 06:28.47 | misterpull | we went to the deer valley symphony last weekend.... that is always fun |
| 06:29.17 | levi | I need to go to more symphonies. |
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| 07:03.01 | Maquis | ~goozbach |
| 07:03.04 | ibot | somebody said goozbach was a future que-ball. easier to catch than a retarted sasquatch |
| 07:03.47 | Maquis | ~slackware |
| 07:03.49 | ibot | The Slackware distribution. URL: http://www.slackware.com/ |
| 07:03.53 | Maquis | ~debian |
| 07:03.55 | ibot | rumour has it, debian is a genuine free software distribution, it isn't only a linux distribution, but it also distribute the Hurd, FreeBSD and NetBSD kernels. Currently, the Debian GNU/Linux is the unique that is considered stable. Another good point of Debian is that it separetes what is and what isn't DFSG-compliant. |
| 07:04.47 | Maquis | ~tree emcnabb |
| 07:04.49 | ibot | ACTION sizes up a tree and chops it down in just the right place to fall on emcnabb. |
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| 07:49.20 | goozbach | son of a flacid resus monkey's... |
| 07:49.29 | goozbach | earlobe! |
| 07:49.52 | goozbach | that hurt! |
| 07:52.31 | goozbach | just changed the dressing on my hand |
| 07:52.59 | goozbach | i had to take tweezers to the imbedded cotton |
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| 15:13.26 | Maquis | goozbach: ouch! |
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| 16:10.12 | hans | what the flip happened to gnocatan? it's home page dropped off the face of the earth |
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| 16:13.21 | hans | hmm. seems it changed names to pioneers |
| 16:13.39 | hans | http://pio.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:22.59 | bonez39 | hans: do you recommend any particular resources on setting up keys for secure ssh and scp sessions? |
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| 18:27.46 | hans | bonez39: the keychain website |
| 18:28.04 | levi | Afternoon. |
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| 18:58.07 | xbmodder-treo | hey. |
| 18:58.33 | xbmodder-treo | how do you install Xorg and Apache in debian |
| 18:58.49 | xbmodder-treo | without fetching all the packages manually? |
| 19:40.54 | levi | Anyone else having network issues? |
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| 19:43.10 | sjansen | http://www.tinypineapple.com/archives/2005/08/images/reinforcing_girls_unrealistic_body_image.jpg |
| 19:43.27 | sjansen | That's gotta be photoshopped. No one is that... stupid. |
| 19:44.31 | levi | The women's versions are probably very thin and stretchy. |
| 19:46.11 | levi | They really look like that on the A&F site: http://www.abercrombie.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10901&storeId=10051&parentCategoryId=12203&childCatgroupId=12267&categoryId=12267&productId=234725&langId=-1 |
| 19:47.03 | levi | The idea is that they're extremely form-fitting, so you can see certain anatomical features better. |
| 19:47.46 | sjansen | Of course, but there's a limit to how much fabric can stretch. |
| 19:48.11 | levi | Knit fabric can be remarkably stretchy. |
| 19:49.12 | sjansen | Obviously not photoshopped since it's on their site. |
| 19:56.37 | levi | Just shows that baggy is 'in' for guys, but girls still have to look like trollops to be cool. |
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| 21:38.33 | mheath | xbmodder, you should read http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20050825.html |
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| 22:23.57 | hans | Maquis: so it's a laptop then? |
| 22:24.18 | Maquis | yup |
| 22:24.38 | hans | surely it came with a manual? to tell you if it's sata |
| 22:25.32 | Maquis | hans: i'll look |
| 22:25.45 | goozbach | your new laptop |
| 22:25.46 | Maquis | debian actually recognized the hard drive yesterday, though |
| 22:25.51 | goozbach | ? |
| 22:25.52 | Maquis | just not today |
| 22:25.53 | hans | i remember hearing a rumor that the final release of sarge's installer supported sat, though |
| 22:25.54 | Maquis | goozbach: yup |
| 22:25.56 | Maquis | you might know |
| 22:26.12 | hans | oh, well if it saw it yesterday... |
| 22:26.14 | goozbach | should be uata |
| 22:26.23 | hans | nondeterministic hardware? |
| 22:26.25 | Maquis | but yesterday i wasn't doing the 2.6 kernel version |
| 22:26.31 | goozbach | detected as ide |
| 22:26.35 | hans | ah. well, then start with 2.4 ;-) |
| 22:26.43 | Maquis | bah |
| 22:27.08 | hans | keep in mind that depending on the version of 2.6 the drives will show up with different devices |
| 22:27.10 | goozbach | that may be the 'six month rule' biting you |
| 22:27.18 | hans | e.g. /dev/sda or maybe /dev/hda |
| 22:27.19 | Maquis | goozbach: 6 month rule? |
| 22:27.39 | goozbach | don't use any hardware that isn't at least six months older than your distubution |
| 22:27.52 | goozbach | it should be /dev/hda |
| 22:28.21 | goozbach | only serial ata shows up as scsi aka /dev/sda |
| 22:28.31 | hans | yeah, uata would be hd |
| 22:29.06 | Maquis | btw, i figured out which driver i needed for the ethernet card... |
| 22:29.18 | hans | it would also seem to be highly unlikely that it's not recognized. can't uata talk as a regular ata ...? |
| 22:29.22 | hans | maybe I'm confused |
| 22:29.54 | Maquis | hans: that's ok... i'm definitely confused |
| 22:30.39 | Maquis | hans: going back to the 2.4 kernel works fine |
| 22:30.49 | Maquis | must be something weird in the 2.6 kernel version of the installer? |
| 22:30.55 | hans | weird. well you can always go 2.6 after it's installed |
| 22:31.06 | hans | yeah. hopefully a fresh 2.6 kernel will have more luck |
| 22:31.16 | hans | what version of 2.6 is on that cd? |
| 22:31.31 | Maquis | dunno |
| 22:31.35 | Maquis | didnt look |
| 22:32.26 | goozbach | wow, I slept till 4pm... |
| 22:33.27 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 22:33.48 | goozbach | problem is that I'm still tired |
| 22:34.10 | Maquis | goozbach: how's your hand? |
| 22:34.17 | Maquis | s/hand/hands |
| 22:34.22 | hans | metacity would be ok. it would pass the test. if _only_ it could do something more intelligent than put new windows in the top-left corner |
| 22:34.30 | goozbach | the left one still hurts |
| 22:34.47 | goozbach | but i spent like 30 minutes last night digging out the cotton |
| 22:34.56 | goozbach | so I upset it a little |
| 22:35.10 | Maquis | ouch |
| 22:35.34 | goozbach | I didn't bother even bandageing the right hand |
| 22:36.15 | goozbach | after I took the bandage off last night my right hand did scab up nicley |
| 22:36.15 | goozbach | Maquis: usually |
| 22:36.30 | goozbach | it's tougher when it's yourself you're inflicting pain on |
| 22:36.30 | Maquis | goozbach: :) now, is that a result of the stupid things you've done? |
| 22:36.33 | goozbach | yup |
| 22:36.37 | Maquis | :-P |
| 22:36.44 | goozbach | :) |
| 22:37.12 | Maquis | and her roommates appear to have the heater on |
| 22:37.48 | goozbach | er /me/him/ |
| 22:38.14 | Maquis | goo: you probably have some good stuff against me too...... |
| 22:38.44 | goozbach | what? I was the one telling you about stupid stuff I've done... |
| 22:38.53 | Maquis | :) |
| 22:40.23 | hans | Maquis: we bought another fan today :) |
| 22:40.41 | Maquis | hans: nice |
| 22:41.25 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 22:41.33 | Maquis | it's raining, but it's really not cool out... |
| 22:44.05 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker) |
| 22:44.05 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 22:48.58 | hans | ~miss TimRiker |
| 22:49.00 | ibot | ACTION whips from his hip a six shooter and fires just to the right of TimRiker |
| 22:49.12 | Maquis | this one's gonna be osiris |
| 22:49.22 | mheath | I like greek god names |
| 22:49.28 | hans | osiris? |
| 22:49.33 | mheath | thats what all our yearbook macs at school are named after.. |
| 22:49.33 | hans | just call it aussi |
| 22:49.34 | hans | e |
| 22:49.57 | Maquis | hans: i have osiris, anubis and sekhmet |
| 22:49.57 | hans | greek gods are tempermental. you're just asking for trouble |
| 22:50.13 | Maquis | the god of the dead, the judge of the dead, and the goddess of destruction |
| 22:50.21 | goozbach | nice |
| 22:50.36 | hans | if one must stray from star wars and lotr, go with plants or mountains. ;-) |
| 22:50.43 | hans | or maybe species of cow |
| 22:50.55 | Maquis | pink with purple polka-dots? |
| 22:50.56 | hans | mmm, or varieties of chile |
| 22:51.06 | goozbach | hey!!! I use SW planets |
| 22:51.11 | hans | if I had to rename my computers tomorrow... |
| 22:51.23 | hans | goozbach: star wars and lotr are of course the best source for names |
| 22:51.48 | mheath | Wow...people are weird. |
| 22:51.52 | hans | maybe name them after 80s movies you haven't seen |
| 22:51.59 | mheath | I work at Applebees, and we have that "Car Side to Go" thing |
| 22:52.01 | goozbach | heh |
| 22:52.15 | mheath | And every so often, people will order one weird thing, like Fish and Chips |
| 22:52.15 | hans | we watched starman last night |
| 22:52.16 | goozbach | mheath: you're just noticing |
| 22:52.23 | goozbach | ? |
| 22:52.25 | mheath | Applbees food is good |
| 22:52.32 | hans | fish and chips isn't weird |
| 22:52.44 | mheath | But really....if you JUST wanted one order of fish and chips, and could choose any place in the valley to go to... |
| 22:52.50 | hans | fish and chips is a staple food back east |
| 22:52.50 | mheath | Why in the world would you go to applebees?! |
| 22:53.10 | Maquis | mheath: santa fe chicken salad |
| 22:53.13 | hans | where would be better? |
| 22:53.31 | hans | is there a fish and chips specializing restaurant in orem? |
| 22:53.45 | mheath | hans, I'm sure theres a place that has better fish and chips than applebees |
| 22:53.55 | mheath | Maquis, Oriental Chicken Salad |
| 22:54.03 | hans | nothing comes to mind. not that I've had applebee's either... |
| 22:54.10 | mheath | No oriental dressing (everyone loves that, for some reason I hate it), ranch dressing instead |
| 22:54.26 | Maquis | mheath: the oriental chicken salad is my dad's favorite |
| 22:54.36 | hans | mheath: you must hate it because you're weird. you are a people after all. |
| 22:54.42 | Maquis | the boneless buffalo wings are good too |
| 22:54.47 | hans | mheat \in People |
| 22:55.36 | hans | earth = {p | p \in people and weird(p)} |
| 22:58.32 | mheath | Our appetizer sampler is really good too... |
| 23:02.11 | Maquis | it's installing a bunch of stuff i never told it to install |
| 23:03.55 | hans | like what? |
| 23:04.32 | Maquis | just a bunch of system tools that i didn't tell it to install |
| 23:04.38 | Maquis | stuff like that |
| 23:04.47 | hans | tell it , you mean with aptitude or something? |
| 23:04.59 | hans | there's a set of stuff that is "essential" that will be installed no matter what |
| 23:05.01 | hans | it's a small set |
| 23:05.05 | Maquis | yeah |
| 23:05.19 | Maquis | gentoo usually waits til you tell it you want it, though... i was just noticing a difference :) |
| 23:05.27 | hans | how did you select packages? |
| 23:06.01 | bigdog_ut | anyone ever do vhost url rewrites from one ssl port to another? |
| 23:06.04 | Maquis | i didn't select any |
| 23:06.28 | Maquis | so, now i'm actually in the system, and i'm going to set up my wireless card so i can do stuff |
| 23:06.37 | hans | well when you do get to that part, you want to use aptitude |
| 23:07.03 | Maquis | aptitude? as opposed to apt-get? |
| 23:07.03 | hans | it dumped you out and said have fun? then you must have answered the package selection question |
| 23:07.09 | hans | aptitude is a front-end |
| 23:07.10 | Maquis | or arethey the same? |
| 23:07.12 | hans | apt-get is fine too |
| 23:07.13 | goozbach | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=300+E+Katella+Ave,+Anaheim,+CA+92802&spn=0.051562,0.090345&t=h&hl=en |
| 23:07.20 | hans | aptitude is a curses prog |
| 23:07.23 | Maquis | i answered the package selection question by not selecting anything |
| 23:07.25 | hans | synaptic is its gtk counterpart |
| 23:07.28 | goozbach | that's where I'm staying this next week |
| 23:07.32 | hans | ok. that works too |
| 23:07.39 | goozbach | right around the corner from disneyland |
| 23:07.59 | hans | i was going to say that if you had done "tasksel" which gives you broad categories you can end up with a lot of stuff you didn't think you'd get |
| 23:08.08 | hans | which isn't necessarily bad, but certainly anti-gentoo |
| 23:08.34 | hans | redhat/suse for example it's best to just install everything under the sun during installation because getting it installed later is rpm h3ll |
| 23:10.07 | Maquis | hans: with apt, is there a way to say "i want to uninstall A and everything that is a dependency only for A? |
| 23:10.10 | Maquis | " |
| 23:11.07 | hans | aptitude will keep track of what was installed only as a dependency |
| 23:11.27 | hans | there's also debfoster which will let you remove packages and everything that exists only as a dependency for those packages |
| 23:11.31 | hans | for cleaning up |
| 23:11.44 | Maquis | but can it determine whether something else depends on the same package? |
| 23:11.49 | hans | yup |
| 23:12.09 | *** join/#utah uugDave (n=Smith@odysseyw.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 23:12.23 | uugDave | Howdy. Does anyone have Evan McNabb's phone number here? Cell is okay. |
| 23:12.26 | hans | it will say things like: someuglyprogram is keeping the following packages installed: foo, bar, baz. remove just someuglypackage, purge all packages, etc. |
| 23:12.29 | hans | ~lart emcnabb |
| 23:12.42 | hans | ~seen emcnabb |
| 23:12.47 | ibot | emcnabb is currently on #utah (6h 39m 26s) |
| 23:12.52 | Maquis | uugDave: emcnabb is around |
| 23:12.54 | uugDave | Yeah, but he is afk. |
| 23:13.00 | hans | stupid bot, when did he last talk? |
| 23:13.23 | uugDave | No one has his cell then? |
| 23:13.36 | Maquis | some people might... i don't... |
| 23:14.21 | Maquis | perhaps one of them will find out if evan wants his cell number given away... |
| 23:14.43 | hans | maybe you could get his gps coordinates and send a pigeou |
| 23:14.58 | goozbach | uugDave: I do have his phone# |
| 23:14.58 | uugDave | I've already dispatched two pigeons... |
| 23:15.20 | hans | buy goozbach a ticket to disneyland and he'll give it to you |
| 23:15.26 | goozbach | yes... |
| 23:15.39 | goozbach | good thinking hans |
| 23:15.46 | uugDave | goozbach: Hook me up? I'm supposed to be getting to his house, but his invite didn't provide an address. |
| 23:15.53 | goozbach | ahh |
| 23:17.35 | emcnabb | hey |
| 23:17.41 | emcnabb | 801-309-5753 |
| 23:17.41 | hans | ~smack emcnabb |
| 23:17.43 | ibot | ACTION smacks emcnabb upside the head. |
| 23:17.57 | uugDave | Hey, there you are suckah! |
| 23:18.03 | hans | 3am, every 5 minutes for an hour |
| 23:18.04 | uugDave | You didn't give an address in your email d00d. |
| 23:19.13 | emcnabb | 54 W 200 N #5 |
| 23:19.16 | emcnabb | bountiful |
| 23:19.20 | uugDave | Cool see ya there. |
| 23:19.20 | Maquis | hans: i threatened my friend jared with that --- his pager at amazon had an email address... |
| 23:19.27 | emcnabb | I think it was in the first e-mail |
| 23:19.53 | goozbach | ok so any fears I had that evan didn't want his phone number public are now alayed |
| 23:19.54 | uugDave | Wherver if it was, I coulnd't find it. See you in 20 minutes! :) |
| 23:20.00 | *** part/#utah uugDave (n=Smith@odysseyw.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 23:20.21 | goozbach | I'm gonna take this as permission to give his number to anyone who asks |
| 23:20.36 | goozbach | hey look! he provided his address as well |
| 23:20.48 | Maquis | goozbach: yeah... and didn't block them from being archived |
| 23:21.23 | hans | yeah, no space |
| 23:21.29 | hans | joshc would be appaled |
| 23:21.32 | goozbach | ha ha |
| 23:22.41 | goozbach | $75 for a one-day disneyland ticket |
| 23:22.45 | goozbach | geez |
| 23:23.23 | hans | you can do all the rides in the last two hours at least as many times as you can the whole rest of the day |
| 23:23.26 | hans | all the interesting ones, anyway. |
| 23:24.54 | hans | or just go to six flags |
| 23:25.04 | hans | or that berry place |
| 23:26.00 | goozbach | I didn't get to go to legoland when I was down there last time |
| 23:26.12 | goozbach | I could go to Downtown Disney without paying as well |
| 23:26.41 | goozbach | there's a house of blues, an ESPN zone and other fun stuff there |
| 23:27.12 | goozbach | ohh I could eat at that fancy restuarnt in the Grand Califiorian hotel |
| 23:30.16 | levi | There's not much to do at Downtown Disney without paying anything. |
| 23:30.44 | Maquis | ack |
| 23:30.50 | hans | syn |
| 23:30.57 | goozbach | levi: that's true |
| 23:30.59 | Maquis | why is tar -jxvf failing??? |
| 23:31.09 | goozbach | expense account++ |
| 23:32.10 | levi | Ahh, the joys of expensing meals. |
| 23:33.41 | Maquis | ummm |
| 23:33.45 | Maquis | can someone help a sec? |
| 23:34.04 | Maquis | tar -jxvf ./linux-2.6.12.5.tar.bz2 |
| 23:34.17 | Maquis | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 23:34.20 | hans | j and x are mutually exclusive |
| 23:34.29 | hans | oh, wait, that's z |
| 23:34.31 | Maquis | hans: wasn't it z? |
| 23:34.33 | hans | nevermind |
| 23:34.45 | Maquis | is it saying that bzip2 doesn't exist? |
| 23:34.48 | Maquis | or am i reading that wrong? |
| 23:34.54 | levi | Perhaps it is saying that. |
| 23:34.57 | hans | looks like it |
| 23:34.59 | levi | See if bzip2 exists. |
| 23:35.05 | hans | which bzip1 |
| 23:35.07 | hans | which bzip2 |
| 23:35.09 | mheath | Maquis, thats what its saving |
| 23:35.30 | mheath | It can't find bzip2 |
| 23:35.53 | hans | hey, just a sec ago you were mocking debian for installing stuff you didn't want. :) |
| 23:36.05 | Maquis | bah... so it skips installing the stuff i need, and installs a bunch of other stuff instead |
| 23:36.29 | Maquis | ah... but it does exist |
| 23:36.37 | Maquis | at least locate sees it |
| 23:36.45 | Maquis | maybe |
| 23:36.46 | Maquis | ? |
| 23:36.59 | hans | believe me, you need that other stuff |
| 23:37.09 | mheath | Where is it, Maquis? |
| 23:37.27 | Maquis | mheath: it's not that... it was just a lib... |
| 23:37.39 | mheath | Maquis, bunzip2 exist? |
| 23:37.42 | mheath | or bzcat? |
| 23:37.53 | hans | apt-get install bzip2 |
| 23:38.02 | Maquis | hans: did that |
| 23:38.06 | Maquis | now it's working |
| 23:38.29 | levi | Well, that wasn't hard. What are you whining about? ;) |
| 23:38.53 | hans | Maquis: also on my list of first-installs: less, vim |
| 23:38.54 | Maquis | levi: just getting used to doing things a bit differently... |
| 23:39.13 | hans | mheath: if tar had a library dependency, it would have been installed |
| 23:39.18 | Maquis | hans: yeah... i'm just trying to get my wireless cardinstalled right now |
| 23:39.53 | hans | it has the zen set of packages? |
| 23:40.19 | hans | tar probably suggests bzip2, would be my guess |
| 23:40.21 | Maquis | once this box is set up and i get important files copied over from my other box, i'm going to start experimenting with different distros til i figure out which one is perfect |
| 23:40.24 | hans | maybe even recommends |
| 23:40.56 | levi | Maquis: That will be a tremendous waste of time, in my opinion. |
| 23:41.09 | hans | Suggests: bzip2 |
| 23:41.17 | levi | Maquis: And I'd say the same if you'd just installed gentoo. |
| 23:41.33 | hans | aw come on levi, we've all done The Search at one point |
| 23:41.38 | hans | to one degree or another |
| 23:42.00 | levi | Not really. |
| 23:42.26 | hans | i seem to remember you ran gentoo for awhile |
| 23:42.59 | levi | I was curious, and I wanted to see what it was like. I wasn't on any sort of search. |
| 23:43.17 | hans | i fail to see any distinction |
| 23:43.29 | hans | your search was simply motivated by curiousity, not by a quest for the one true distro |
| 23:43.39 | hans | ~smack vontrapp |
| 23:43.42 | ibot | ACTION smacks vontrapp upside the head. |
| 23:44.15 | levi | It wasn't a search, it was a single trial. |
| 23:44.18 | mheath | hans, it has a perfect set of packages |
| 23:44.33 | levi | I made a single trial of RedHat back when it first came out, too. |
| 23:44.46 | hans | levi: formally, it was a search. ;-) (watch out, I've been doing too much theory homework) |
| 23:45.50 | hans | technically, I agree with levi. there's no point in looking further than debian or indeed any distro that doesn't bug the heck out of you |
| 23:46.05 | levi | Formally, perhaps, but not a search in the conversational sense. :) |
| 23:46.08 | hans | but it's impossible to convince anyone of that that feels compelled to see for herself |
| 23:46.34 | hans | and I'd have not listened either, when I was on the search |
| 23:46.41 | hans | (incidentally, I found debian _after_ The Search) |
