| 00:21.39 | *** join/#utah Newsome (n=sorenson@216-190-206-130.customer.csolutions.net) |
| 00:57.19 | *** join/#utah synic (n=synic@c-67-177-16-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 00:57.28 | *** join/#utah spr (n=spr@c-24-10-237-76.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 01:12.36 | *** join/#utah jsmith (n=jsmith@128.241.21.103) |
| 01:12.48 | jsmith | Blah.... |
| 01:14.48 | goozbach | agreed |
| 01:14.53 | goozbach | blargfooblarg |
| 01:15.47 | goozbach | er aggreed |
| 01:15.53 | goozbach | ~spell aggreed |
| 01:16.01 | goozbach | hmm |
| 01:16.09 | goozbach | I spelt it right the first time |
| 01:16.14 | jsmith | How 'bout that... |
| 01:16.15 | goozbach | that never happens |
| 01:17.55 | tene | and... tie goozbach up with them? |
| 01:21.27 | goozbach | ohh!!! kinky |
| 02:52.06 | *** join/#utah dataw0lf- (n=dataw0lf@c-24-10-173-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 03:29.16 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker) |
| 03:29.17 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 03:59.26 | mheath | dataw0lf-: good evening. |
| 04:16.10 | *** join/#utah wps (n=wade@65.73.113.199) |
| 04:25.48 | *** join/#utah markl_ (i=mark@dsl093-225-128.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 04:37.36 | *** join/#utah markl__ (i=mark@dsl093-225-128.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 04:47.29 | xbmodder | hey |
| 04:48.09 | xbmodder | I had no choice but to hear you you stated your case diamond again I though about you treat me like i'm a princess I am not used you ask how my day was you already won me over--- |
| 04:50.32 | *** join/#utah levi (n=levi@levi.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 04:54.58 | levi | Good evening. |
| 04:55.00 | RyanE | I think it's 'time and again', not 'diamond again'. |
| 04:55.36 | levi | Heh, what's that from? |
| 04:55.50 | hans | xbmodder |
| 04:56.38 | hans | he was (mis)quoting "head over feet" |
| 04:57.20 | goozbach | ahh that's why it sounded familiar |
| 04:57.53 | levi | Heh. |
| 05:22.59 | levi | I thought it was cool that one of my classes is in the big room we had the Damian Conway meeting in, and the professor was playing Queen over the sound system from his Powerbook until class started. |
| 05:59.42 | *** join/#utah spr_ (n=spr@c-24-10-237-76.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 06:00.19 | spr_ | behold, I'm running debian |
| 06:00.24 | spr_ | wee |
| 06:02.25 | levi | Yay! |
| 07:22.19 | xbmodder | hans, yeah I was seeing how quick I can type |
| 07:22.29 | xbmodder | hans, though I screwed up and it took a while |
| 07:22.39 | xbmodder | hans, then i ran out of speed |
| 07:47.02 | xbmodder | anybody awake |
| 09:19.33 | *** join/#utah emcnabb_ (n=emcnabb@67-41-162-235.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 12:49.07 | *** join/#utah Jayce^ (n=Jayce_@65.218.37.138) |
| 12:49.07 | *** mode/#utah [+o Jayce^] by ChanServ |
| 13:55.21 | *** join/#utah ibot (i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt) |
| 13:55.21 | *** topic/#utah is The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feed |
| 13:55.21 | *** mode/#utah [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 13:57.30 | *** join/#utah tene (n=tene@c-67-182-199-40.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 14:14.39 | dataw0lf | morning |
| 14:21.13 | graphyx | morning. |
| 14:27.20 | emcnabb_ | morning.. |
| 14:27.52 | *** join/#utah Newsome (n=sorenson@216-190-206-130.customer.csolutions.net) |
| 14:29.35 | *** join/#utah vontrapp (i=fuglv@falcon.fugal.net) |
| 14:53.38 | *** join/#utah synic (n=synic@pdpc/supporter/student/synic) |
| 14:54.04 | *** join/#utah wps (n=wade@66.237.80.85) |
| 15:00.35 | *** join/#utah Jayce^ (n=Jayce_@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 15:00.35 | *** mode/#utah [+o Jayce^] by ChanServ |
| 15:12.19 | Maquis | Newsome: thanks a ton for getting us up and running again (sorry if it was a while ago, i was without internet for a while, and trying to catch up) |
| 15:17.37 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (n=emcnabb@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 15:19.48 | *** join/#utah ezakimak (n=nick@user-200.atlconn.fiber.net) |
| 15:20.20 | ezakimak | q: has the mailing list just been quiet since Tue. or have I somehow been unsubscribed? |
| 15:20.54 | ezakimak | (plug ml) |
| 15:24.36 | *** join/#utah bonez41 (n=aint@c-67-166-77-14.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 15:24.41 | Jayce^ | been quiet for me |
| 15:25.06 | ezakimak | my last 2 posts never showed up for me--which made me wonder |
| 15:25.41 | Jayce^ | oh really? |
| 15:26.05 | Jayce^ | when were they sent? |
| 15:26.44 | ezakimak | lemme check |
| 15:27.29 | Bradipo | I got an email from the list that was sent 8:01 this morning. |
| 15:27.52 | Bradipo | Hmm, maybe I converted the time wrong... |
| 15:28.08 | Jayce^ | Last message date: Tue Aug 23 14:19:52 MDT 2005 <-- according to mailman |
| 15:28.26 | Jayce^ | I just sent a test that got through |
| 15:28.30 | Jayce^ | check if you get it |
| 15:28.55 | Bradipo | ezakimak: I just think people have finished with their rants. It's ok for a mailing list to be slow, even though we are all addicted to high volume email on pluglist. |
| 15:29.43 | ezakimak | the 17th (re: DIY Media Client?) and the 18th (re: redundant NICS) |
| 15:30.08 | ezakimak | yes, I got it. |
| 15:31.24 | Uncle_Jesse | Anyone here able to get google talk working on gaim? |
| 15:32.46 | ezakimak | I got the Tue Aug 23 14:19:52 MDT message also. |
| 15:32.55 | ezakimak | just not my own last two posts. |
| 15:34.46 | Jayce^ | Uncle_Jesse, quite a few folks here are doing that |
| 15:36.31 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: are there any tricks to it? I'm following the directions on talk.google.com and it isn't logging in for me right now |
| 15:36.42 | lars-ut-away | Uncle Jesse: yes |
| 15:37.11 | Jayce^ | nope |
| 15:37.23 | Jayce^ | I'm in using adium right now, which uses the gaim libs |
| 15:37.31 | lars-ut | Uncle_Jesse: del.icio.us/larsra99 it's the link at the top |
| 15:37.32 | jce | does anyone know how internet sales tax works? |
| 15:38.01 | ezakimak | didn't know there was any |
| 15:38.20 | ezakimak | do you mean Utah's 'use' tax? |
| 15:38.24 | mrpull | jce: poorly |
| 15:38.30 | Uncle_Jesse | lars-ut: that's what I'm trying - weird |
| 15:38.58 | Uncle_Jesse | disclaimer: I'm trying this on Windows |
| 15:39.02 | Uncle_Jesse | :-( |
| 15:39.15 | Jayce^ | people here are doing it |
| 15:39.17 | lars-ut | So am I |
| 15:39.21 | Jayce^ | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1590594673/002-0109285-6769660 |
| 15:39.28 | lars-ut | I run GAIM 1.5.0 |
| 15:39.30 | lars-ut | on XP |
| 15:39.46 | Uncle_Jesse | must be my version - 1.3.1 |
| 15:40.42 | jce | I just bought a mac online and had to pay taxes. :( |
| 15:40.58 | ezakimak | isn't that a produce tax? ;) |
| 15:41.06 | Jayce^ | I think they charge CA taxes there |
| 15:41.09 | jce | And I didn't think I'd have to. |
| 15:41.30 | ezakimak | in which state are you, and from which state did they ship it? |
| 15:41.31 | Uncle_Jesse | jce: that's because they probably have a wharehouse/dist center in Utah |
| 15:41.52 | Uncle_Jesse | you have to charge taxes if you have a physical presence in the area the item is being purchased |
| 15:42.47 | jce | yeah, I'm in utah... I didn't buy it at store to avoid taxes, then I ended up paying it anyway. :( |
| 15:43.05 | Uncle_Jesse | legally they have to |
| 15:43.19 | jce | Oh well. |
| 15:43.33 | ezakimak | well, technically, Utah will nail you anyways come tax time because of their 'use' tax. |
| 15:43.49 | ezakimak | (which IMO is unconstitional) |
| 15:44.03 | tene__ | use tax? |
| 15:44.13 | ezakimak | yes. it's on your TC-40 |
| 15:44.49 | ezakimak | they expect you to pay the difference between salestax paid to other states and the Utah rate on any out-of-state purchases via catalog or internet. |
| 15:44.58 | tene__ | hmm |
| 15:45.16 | ezakimak | iow if you paid 0 taxes on an online purchase, they want to collect the full utah sales tax from you on it. |
| 15:45.19 | Uncle_Jesse | va does that too but they don't really enforce it |
| 15:45.51 | ezakimak | I had a friend who's father tried to figure it out and do it. He got audited and fined for not getting it right. |
| 15:46.05 | ezakimak | Kinda not worth the effort imo |
| 15:46.10 | ezakimak | for his case anyways. |
| 15:46.26 | lars-ut | Uncle Jesse: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gaim/gaim-1.5.0.exe?download |
| 15:46.28 | vontrapp | haha, reminds me of getting ticketed and appearing before a judge for reporting that i hit a dear |
| 15:46.31 | vontrapp | deer |
| 15:46.32 | vontrapp | grr |
| 15:46.49 | ezakimak | ??? your kidding, right? |
| 15:46.53 | vontrapp | nope |
| 15:46.54 | ezakimak | only in America. |
| 15:47.08 | vontrapp | yeah :-/ |
| 15:47.37 | Bradipo | vontrapp: Did you take the deer and have it dried into jerky? |
| 15:47.55 | Bradipo | If not, you didn't get your money's worth. :-) |
| 15:48.03 | vontrapp | no, it got away, didn't even kill the stupid thing |
| 15:48.23 | ezakimak | and you got fined for that? |
| 15:48.35 | vontrapp | well, ticketed |
| 15:48.36 | Bradipo | THat's what happens when you pit a Festiva against a deer. |
| 15:48.36 | hans | he got fined for not reporting it the same day |
| 15:48.40 | ezakimak | caps lock doesn't come close to spelling 'lame' for that one. |
| 15:48.42 | vontrapp | which i didn't end up paying for |
| 15:48.56 | vontrapp | got a 6 month defferment or whatever it's called |
| 15:49.09 | vontrapp | basically, "don't screw up for six months and you're off the hook" |
| 15:49.46 | hans | so basically, don't call in any deer wrecks whether or not you hit a deer, for 6 months |
| 15:49.58 | vontrapp | ;) |
| 15:50.20 | Bradipo | vontrapp: You actually incriminated yourself by calling this in? |
| 15:50.39 | vontrapp | heh, well, last time i ever try to do "the right thing" |
| 15:50.45 | vontrapp | as far as that goes |
| 15:50.46 | ezakimak | in PR (puerto rico) there's a town where some farmers (illegally) remove their cow's ear tags (so they can't be traced) and let them roam free-range over the whole town. |
| 15:50.48 | hans | yeah, that's the dumb thing. hit deer on way to work. decide next day he ought to report it |
| 15:50.49 | Bradipo | lol |
| 15:50.52 | ezakimak | I saw one that got killed on the freeway. |
| 15:51.03 | ezakimak | it was missing an entire rear leg, sawed clean off. |
| 15:51.15 | Bradipo | If the deer were someone's property, I could see you reporting it to the owner, but in a case like this... |
| 15:51.18 | ezakimak | I'm guessing the poor schmuck that hit it decided he'd at least have steak for dinner ;) |
| 15:51.20 | vontrapp | a car has a saw on the bumper? |
| 15:51.39 | *** join/#utah gthornock (n=gthornoc@translate.sento.com) |
| 15:52.02 | ezakimak | no, but most ppl there carry machetes... |
| 15:52.34 | vontrapp | ic, i thought you meant the leg was sawed off from the collision |
| 15:53.01 | tene__ | My car has a saw on the bumper. |
| 15:53.18 | lars-ut | Uncle_Jesse: Did you try Gaim 1.5.0 yet? |
| 15:53.18 | vontrapp | tene__++--~~ |
| 15:56.17 | Uncle_Jesse | lars-ut: installing now |
| 15:57.08 | tene__ | a circular saw with the blade guard removed. |
| 15:57.11 | tene__ | Two of them. |
| 15:57.29 | vontrapp | ooh, do they spin? |
| 15:57.35 | tene__ | Yep. |
| 15:57.36 | Uncle_Jesse | lars-ut: still doesn't log in |
| 15:57.51 | Uncle_Jesse | screen name=gmail screen name (no @gmail.com) |
| 15:57.58 | Uncle_Jesse | server=gmail.com |
| 15:58.06 | Uncle_Jesse | password=gmail password |
| 15:58.08 | Uncle_Jesse | no alias |
| 15:58.12 | Uncle_Jesse | resource=Gaim |
| 15:58.12 | vontrapp | tene__: so does that help out when you hit a deer? |
| 15:58.34 | tene__ | vontrapp: you have *no* idea |
| 15:58.35 | tene__ | Uncle_Jesse: |
| 15:58.49 | vontrapp | Uncle_Jesse: what protocol is that? jabber? |
| 15:58.51 | tene__ | click the 'show more options' thing |
| 15:58.53 | lars-ut | Connect server: talk.google.com |
| 15:59.07 | tene__ | and set the 'Conn... curses, lars wins again! |
| 15:59.13 | lars-ut | lol |
| 15:59.21 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: yeah - jabber |
| 15:59.26 | lars-ut | Cut & Paste baby, cut & paste. |
| 15:59.31 | Uncle_Jesse | connect server is talk.google.com |
| 16:00.03 | tene__ | and what does it do, Uncle_Jesse? |
| 16:00.36 | Uncle_Jesse | It gives the sign-on bar when I login but it dissapears and there is no check-mark saying I'm connected in my accounts window |
| 16:00.53 | *** join/#utah tiwula (n=lane@208-186-97-26.customer.csolutions.net) |
| 16:01.25 | lars-ut | Try Tools | Accounts (CTRL-A), delete your gmail/jabber account, and create it fresh |
| 16:01.56 | lars-ut | try clicking the online checkmark first |
| 16:02.11 | lars-ut | before deleting |
| 16:02.27 | Uncle_Jesse | lars-ut: yeah - that was my next step - one sec |
| 16:02.52 | lars-ut | I use Auto-login. |
| 16:03.46 | Uncle_Jesse | still doesn't log in |
| 16:03.57 | Uncle_Jesse | I wonder if my company's firewall is doing something to block it |
| 16:04.48 | lars-ut | try the google client |
| 16:05.02 | lars-ut | SHouldn't make a difference though. |
| 16:05.13 | vontrapp | what error do you get? |
| 16:05.17 | Uncle_Jesse | I have coworkers using the google client with no probs - I'll try it, but yeah, it shouldn't make a difference |
| 16:05.24 | Uncle_Jesse | very weird - it should work |
| 16:06.01 | lars-ut | Try Help | Debug Window |
| 16:06.12 | lars-ut | Then uncheck, check online |
| 16:08.09 | lars-ut | Uncle_Jesse: You sould see a msg like: proxy: Connecting to talk.google.com:5222 with no proxy |
| 16:08.33 | lars-ut | proxy: Connected. |
| 16:08.33 | lars-ut | jabber: Sending: <?xml version='1.0' ?> |
| 16:08.33 | lars-ut | jabber: Sending: <stream:stream to='gmail.com' xmlns='jabber:client' xmlns:stream='http://etherx.jabber.org/streams' version='1.0'> |
| 16:09.02 | lars-ut | Uncle_Jesse: Does the connect process get that far? |
| 16:19.13 | Uncle_Jesse | lars-ut: proxy: getsockopt SO_ERROR check: Windows socket error #10061 |
| 16:19.55 | lars-ut | Uncle_Jesse: local firewall problem? Do you have a software firewall on your machine? |
| 16:20.12 | Uncle_Jesse | not on my machine, but definitely on the network |
| 16:20.25 | lars-ut | but not affecting co-workers |
| 16:20.52 | Uncle_Jesse | not on google talk client at least - haven't tried it on google's client yet |
| 16:20.56 | tene__ | look up that windows socket error |
| 16:22.00 | emcnabb | http://store.benjerry.com/pintlock.html |
| 16:26.27 | *** part/#utah Newsome (n=sorenson@216-190-206-130.customer.csolutions.net) |
| 16:27.07 | *** join/#utah drewbono (n=andrew@128.187.233.197) |
| 16:27.09 | Uncle_Jesse | interesting - the google client doesn't work either. My coworker gets in fine though |
| 16:28.29 | tene__ | so look up that windows socker error |
| 16:30.17 | *** join/#utah levi (n=levi@208.177.141.226.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 16:34.10 | bonez41 | I have a .pdf I want to print.. I attempt the print from xpdf...and the tops and bottoms of the pages get truncated...yet if I open it in acroread...the entire page prints....slightly compressed, but it prints..without lopping off any of the page contents....WHY WHY WHY? anyone know? |
| 16:35.18 | vontrapp | acroread resizes to fit page |
| 16:35.53 | vontrapp | xpdf doesn't and it's big enough it falls outside the margins |
| 16:36.08 | vontrapp | where those margins come from exactly is what i don't know |
| 16:36.25 | levi | Maybe it's an A5 pdf. |
| 16:36.27 | hans | probably the pdf is for a4 paper |
| 16:36.40 | hans | or Asomething else |
| 16:38.07 | vontrapp | 10061 is connection refused |
| 16:39.14 | *** join/#utah fungus (n=fungus@2001:470:1f00:645:20a:95ff:fec5:636a) |
| 16:39.21 | bonez41 | vontrapp, that's my question too....so ultimately I have more control with acroread than with xpdf |
| 16:47.56 | *** join/#utah tewk (i=tewk@192.41.88.101) |
| 16:49.08 | vontrapp | i have had problems with acrereads printing, though |
| 16:49.40 | vontrapp | stuff like shading coming out as solid black, staff lines on one stanza not showing up at all once, just weird stuff |
| 16:54.18 | *** join/#utah spr (n=spr@128.187.235.142) |
| 17:00.11 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker) |
| 17:00.12 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 17:08.29 | *** join/#utah Mister (n=MisterEd@71-36-85-18.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 17:09.57 | *** join/#utah tiwula (n=lane@70.98.251.29) |
| 17:19.49 | bonez41 | if I ssh to my office machine....is the password I type, to gain access....sent, over the net unencrypted? |
| 17:20.20 | levi | No. |
| 17:20.23 | tene__ | why don't you try running a packet sniffer and see? |
| 17:21.14 | bonez41 | tene, well, glad to....is there a way to set up ssh so that I am not sending my password over the net, exposing my data to sniffing? |
| 17:21.26 | bonez41 | tene, do you suggest any particular sniffer? |
| 17:21.55 | tene__ | ethereal or ettercap |
| 17:22.00 | Jayce^ | bonez41, look up using ssh keys.. |
| 17:24.36 | bonez41 | Jayce^, thanks.... |
| 17:34.31 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker) |
| 17:34.31 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 17:36.30 | neybar_work | bonez39, if I recall correctly a secure tunnel is setup before passwords are passed around. ssh-keys are still a good idea though |
| 17:37.06 | vontrapp | yes, passwords are not sent in the clear, but that doesn't stopa man in the middle attack |
| 17:37.44 | tene__ | yeah |
| 17:37.50 | tene__ | ettercap >.> |
| 17:38.28 | vontrapp | of course, that's what the host identification keys are for |
| 17:40.39 | levi | bonez41: A brief perusal of http://www.openssh.com/features.html would have assuaged your concerns about passwords transmitted in the clear. |
| 17:41.57 | *** join/#utah Newsome (n=sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu) |
| 18:08.08 | xbmodder | Ja! |
| 18:09.09 | levi | Woo, I have a D compiler on my Mac now. |
| 18:10.10 | levi | I'm low on battery, so I'm going to disconnect so I don't bounce as my laptop sleeps and wakes. |
| 18:29.03 | mrpull | anybody recommend a web interface for bind? |
| 18:36.32 | Bradipo | vi? |
| 18:37.09 | mrpull | Bradipo: I prefer to manage it from vi... but what about dummy proofing it for people who need to make 50 changes a day? |
| 18:37.34 | Bradipo | Make a menu. |
| 18:37.34 | *** join/#utah bzob (n=bzob@66.43.16.199) |
| 18:37.55 | mrpull | said dummies don't get shell access |
| 18:38.05 | Bradipo | And use ssh keys to ensure that they aren't allowed to run anything but that menu. |
| 18:38.32 | Bradipo | If they are that dumb they won't be able to figure out how to get out of it. :-) |
| 18:39.10 | mrpull | i'd have to say I'm still leaning toward a web based approach. :) |
| 18:40.59 | Bradipo | Is your BIND run from a database like postgres or mysql? |
| 18:41.16 | mrpull | nope. regular zone files. |
| 18:41.25 | Bradipo | Most web interfaces will likely use a database and not bind files. |
| 18:42.17 | mrpull | correct. that is what I'm finding. I'm leaning toward solutions that still use zone files in case I decide to throw it out and go back to the old way. |
| 18:42.42 | mrpull | most still have a sql backend for munging the data, then it gets dumped to zone files |
| 18:47.14 | mrpull | yowzers... this is pretty: http://openisp.net/mysqlBind/ |
| 18:47.49 | *** join/#utah mindjuju (n=mindjuju@216.20.238.225) |
| 18:50.21 | *** join/#utah bucky (n=bucky@pdpc/supporter/active/bucky) |
| 19:07.52 | *** join/#utah jakea (n=jakea@128.187.248.117) |
| 19:08.09 | mrpull | this has potential... it might just meet my goals |
| 19:08.22 | mrpull | it is ugly... but good looks wasn't really a requirement |
| 19:10.12 | goozbach | I'm gonna have to say webmin |
| 19:10.51 | goozbach | the bind webmin interface is pretty slick |
| 19:11.05 | goozbach | and you can still edit the zone files if you feel so inclined |
| 19:14.03 | mrpull | i haven't been a fan of webmin in the past. i'll take a look at it again :) |
| 19:14.13 | goozbach | http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20050523.html |
| 19:14.49 | spr | in roughly 4 hours total, I have a working debian desktop (replacing my gentoo one) |
| 19:17.55 | Jayce^ | ~spr++ |
| 19:17.57 | Jayce^ | http://www.justatheory.com/bricolage/1.9.0.html |
| 19:18.14 | Jayce^ | using PHP templating inside a mod_perl application |
| 19:18.22 | Jayce^ | for those that just can't break the PHP habit |
| 19:18.53 | mrpull | spr: why not ubuntu? |
| 19:22.20 | mrpull | ugghh... webmin's website makes me crazy |
| 19:28.06 | bucky | that's it! re-install it spr |
| 19:28.19 | bucky | mrpull, which distro are you using? |
| 19:30.22 | mrpull | centos for now RHEL when it is production |
| 19:31.20 | *** part/#utah mindjuju (n=mindjuju@216.20.238.225) |
| 19:31.52 | spr | ubuntu does installs too much stuff automatically. |
| 19:31.57 | bucky | mrpull, no bind module for webmin available/ |
| 19:32.03 | spr | err.. I should try that in english sometime |
| 19:32.12 | bucky | you mean Bloat ? |
| 19:32.26 | vontrapp | ubuntu has it's ups and downs |
| 19:32.47 | bucky | how about that it's owned by Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical Ltd |
| 19:33.45 | dataw0lf | you can do a 'server' install that installs the bare minimum, you know. |
| 19:33.50 | dataw0lf | fyi. |
| 19:34.19 | tene__ | or 'minimal' installs even less |
| 19:34.31 | tene__ | or maybe I just made that up, I can't remember... |
| 19:34.48 | dataw0lf | there's no 'minimal' in a Ubuntu install |
| 19:34.58 | Jayce^ | tene__'s talking out his arse again |
| 19:35.18 | vontrapp | tene__: yeah, you made it up, sounded good though |
| 19:35.25 | vontrapp | except that it was false |
| 19:36.17 | tene__ | Yeah, I was thinking of FC. |
| 19:36.27 | vontrapp | i love debians install |
| 19:36.35 | Jayce^ | ok, so I'm giving thunderbird a try again, but I'm having trouble with a specific folder, anybody noticed thunderbird reading all but one folder in their IMAP dir? |
| 19:36.45 | vontrapp | just install the base system, go on to tasksel if you like |
| 19:36.47 | Jayce^ | specifically, the folder is named Unknown |
| 19:38.26 | mrpull | ok... get your pitchforks and flame throwers ready |
| 19:38.42 | mrpull | has anybody used DNS appliances? |
| 19:39.44 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: hm, it sounds familiar, one second. |
| 19:41.29 | *** part/#utah Newsome (n=sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu) |
| 19:56.19 | mrpull | vontrapp: i thought i'd get more flames for suggesting a DNS appliance... maybe I just stumped everyone |
| 19:58.58 | vontrapp | are you talking like an appliance that has a domain name? |
| 19:59.38 | tene__ | no, he's talking about a dedicated DNS device. |
| 19:59.52 | tene__ | a little box you plug into your network that runs a DNS server. |
| 20:00.32 | vontrapp | echo "burn" | telnet toaster.mrpull.net 2 |
| 20:06.22 | mrpull | ahhh... thank you all |
| 20:06.27 | mrpull | i needed the flames. |
| 20:06.34 | bucky | mrpull, i'd guess you'd have to decide which is handling the master or the slave zones... #dns is an excellent channel that has helped me a lot and their homepage has good info http://dns.outla.ws/ |
| 20:06.49 | mrpull | slick. thanks for the info bucky. |
| 20:08.07 | vontrapp | bucky: do you need that address still? |
| 20:08.20 | bucky | sure |
| 20:08.49 | bucky | mrpull, sometimes those .gov admin sites specific to RH help http://linux-rep.fnal.gov/rhl-cg-en-8.0/ch-bindconf.html |
| 20:09.17 | mrpull | i have about 350 zones. Not enough to really justify an appliance, but it would be nice to let the end users have a GUI to do their own adds/changes/updates |
| 20:10.00 | vontrapp | what where they again? stories from something-or-other? |
| 20:10.17 | bucky | mrpull, you must have smart users |
| 20:11.21 | mrpull | bucky: most understand DNS well |
| 20:11.26 | bucky | vontrapp, Bible Stories for Young Latter-Day-Saints, Peterson, Vol. I, II and III |
| 20:13.06 | vontrapp | ok, it's 500 S 100 E |
| 20:14.28 | bucky | ? in blanding ? |
| 20:14.35 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 20:14.50 | bucky | oh.. ok, i'll have my mom handle it |
| 20:15.01 | vontrapp | cool, thx |
| 20:15.27 | bucky | vontrapp, what's the girls name and how old is she.. this might be below her reading level |
| 20:16.07 | vontrapp | karen, she's late teens early twenties, not sure exactly |
| 20:16.17 | bucky | should be good |
| 20:16.20 | vontrapp | so probably yeah |
| 20:16.38 | bucky | i used to party with her Dad's older sisters |
| 20:16.48 | bucky | they're still wild |
| 20:17.43 | bucky | my cousin married one of them |
| 20:17.47 | bucky | Billy Joe |
| 20:18.23 | bucky | Billy Joes a big shot in MADD, they had a son killed by a drunk driver |
| 20:18.44 | bucky | she made a career out of it |
| 20:27.06 | vontrapp | bucky: well, karen would have liked the book of mormon, which is what i thought you had when i asked, but she's not interested in these, but maybe your mom could see if kathie might have anything in mind for them |
| 20:27.31 | vontrapp | sorry about that |
| 20:39.36 | bucky | vontrapp, that's ok.. i was only doing it because i believe in the bible |
| 20:42.39 | vontrapp | it's not that it's the bible, i think it is just that it's below her level, i'm familier with those bible stories, my parents have the entire set (but not braille) |
| 20:42.59 | vontrapp | anyway, maybe she knows someone else... |
| 20:43.17 | bucky | i think people should be left alone to make up their own minds... did the migration from Israel happen like the BOM says, or did it not, like Jeremiah 52 says |
| 20:44.08 | bucky | and the rest of Jeremiah and most of Isaiah |
| 20:44.13 | mheath | Does anyone happen to know of any job openings like what dataw0lf announced (entry level Windows support tech)? |
| 20:52.53 | vontrapp | bucky: i don't want to spark any flames here, just like to point out that those aren't necessarily mutually exclusive |
| 20:54.37 | bucky | anytime i confront people in this state i get labeled as starting flames or bashing |
| 20:54.39 | *** join/#utah WoodsDogg (n=woodsdog@216.194.125.132) |
| 20:55.10 | Jayce^ | that's what confrontation is |
| 20:55.17 | bucky | vontrapp, those two *two* mutually exclusive.. so make up your mind which one you believe |
| 20:55.35 | bucky | mheath, http://jobs.utah.gov/jobseeker/dwsdefault.asp |
| 20:55.58 | vontrapp | how is a small group leaving before the destruction of isreal exclusive of the rest of them being captured and taken captive to babylon? |
| 20:56.24 | vontrapp | anyway, i stop there, no flames |
| 20:56.51 | *** join/#utah sjansen (n=sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 20:57.10 | sjansen | Revisting oldies-but-goldies, I stumbled across http://www.pet-abuse.com/faq/bonsai.php |
| 20:59.07 | sjansen | http://www.petitiononline.com/ha7k9845/petition.html |
| 21:00.20 | sjansen | http://www.bonsaikitten.com/ |
| 21:02.20 | bucky | vontrapp, Jeremiah 52 says *all* were order to submit to the Babylonian Captivity |
| 21:02.52 | bucky | that all that tried to escape would be caught and killed, especially those going by way of Egypt |
| 21:03.29 | vontrapp | they left several years prior |
| 21:03.56 | Jayce^ | http://codefetch.com/ very cool |
| 21:03.56 | bucky | not according to Mormon Literature |
| 21:04.39 | bucky | besides there is no DNA evidence whatsoever |
| 21:06.43 | bucky | old tangent.. 150 indigenous people from Chili to Alaska and no trace of jewish descenancy ?? oh yeah, big yawn |
| 21:07.05 | sjansen | Jayce^: Uhm, I'm trying to figure out what the site is for... |
| 21:07.37 | sjansen | http://codefetch.com/search?qy=foo&lang=csharp |
| 21:07.42 | sjansen | Okay, I get it. |
| 21:07.45 | Jayce^ | sjansen, search engine for code snippets from published books |
| 21:08.21 | bucky | confrontation is flames and bashing... is that what they taught you in missionary school? |
| 21:09.19 | Jayce^ | no experience from the anti's |
| 21:09.21 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 21:10.07 | *** join/#utah JoshH (n=josh@josh.dsl.aros.net) |
| 21:10.26 | hans | ~charge sjansen |
| 21:12.02 | *** join/#utah gthornock (n=gthornoc@translate.sento.com) |
| 21:15.29 | mheath | dataw0lf: are you around? |
| 21:17.37 | goozbach | http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20050601.html |
| 21:17.54 | hans | heh, the flame warriors site is pretty funny |
| 21:18.51 | dataw0lf | mheath: Yes. |
| 21:19.29 | mheath | dataw0lf: have you filled that position yet? |
| 21:19.50 | dataw0lf | wow. |
| 21:21.06 | *** join/#utah Xoodsdog (n=woodsdog@64.0.192.254) |
| 21:24.35 | mheath | Apparently I asked some kind of stupid question. Sorry. |
| 21:25.41 | emcnabb | how about you /msg him to talk about it |
| 21:26.25 | *** join/#utah synic (n=synic@66.239.17.226.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 21:26.27 | zzzirk | parently I asked some kind of stupid quest |
| 21:27.14 | mheath | emcnabb: I think the last thing dataw0lf would want would be me privmsging him. |
| 21:27.20 | vontrapp | parent asked of me some kind of stupid quest |
| 21:28.22 | RyanE | rent a shed from me dumb kind of duped qwest |
| 21:28.24 | sjansen | mheath: We know you want to job, but bugging dataw0lf (or any contact) isn't a good idea. |
| 21:29.23 | emcnabb | mheath, why? |
| 21:29.28 | Jayce^ | brent, instead of dumb quests... |
| 21:29.30 | emcnabb | that's exactly what I would want |
| 21:29.44 | mheath | sjansen: I wasn't bugging him about it. I was just trying to follow up on a job I applied for. That was the first time I'd talked to him about it since I applied. |
| 21:30.47 | vontrapp | dog bone silly falling somewhere in the west |
| 21:32.38 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you up for playing on the 3rd? |
| 21:33.24 | goozbach | that's labor-day weekend, no? |
| 21:33.34 | goozbach | I may be camping with the family |
| 21:33.41 | goozbach | but if I'm not, I'm game |
| 21:33.50 | goozbach | I think I'm gonna go hit planet this weekend |
| 21:33.56 | goozbach | maybe tomorrow |
| 21:33.59 | Jayce^ | it is |
| 21:34.08 | Jayce^ | tell them you want to go camping monday |
| 21:34.24 | goozbach | Jayce^: if I go camping it will be from friday - monday |
| 21:34.36 | goozbach | because It'll be in southern utah |
| 21:34.58 | *** join/#utah WoodsDog (n=woodsdog@64.0.192.254) |
| 21:35.00 | Jayce^ | bah |
| 21:35.27 | hans | humbug |
| 21:35.36 | goozbach | if it turns out we'll be camping from sat evening to monday, then I'm still in |
| 21:35.51 | Jayce^ | k, just lemme know |
| 21:35.54 | Jayce^ | out at our place |
| 21:36.08 | goozbach | I'll have a new toy to show off... :D |
| 21:36.23 | Jayce^ | what'd ya get? |
| 21:36.33 | hans | paint thinner |
| 21:36.40 | goozbach | another 100' or so of distance. :D |
| 21:36.42 | Jayce^ | nah, he was huffing that last time |
| 21:36.50 | Jayce^ | got the flatline 'eh.. |
| 21:36.56 | goozbach | yup |
| 21:37.05 | goozbach | $97 |
| 21:37.08 | Jayce^ | better make sure you're adapted to it, and your paint work in it first |
| 21:37.22 | goozbach | that's why I'm going to planet this weekend |
| 21:37.35 | Jayce^ | that'll be a little tough, closer range stuff |
| 21:37.50 | goozbach | I already shot about 500 rounds through it |
| 21:37.51 | Jayce^ | if you play top, you should be able to pwn the starting point |
| 21:38.13 | Jayce^ | but better, run to a far corner, and you can stop the base, bridge, and the edge all at once |
| 21:38.36 | goozbach | I've figured, that if I want to I can field-change barrels |
| 21:38.47 | goozbach | but I don't think that'll be an issue |
| 21:39.01 | Jayce^ | don't.. |
| 21:39.12 | Jayce^ | if you get good with it, there is a trick to owner close bunkers |
| 21:39.12 | goozbach | it's really not that bad mid to long range |
| 21:39.35 | goozbach | it rocks long range |
| 21:39.46 | Jayce^ | flatlines put a funny curve on it you learn to hug the edge of a tight bunker |
| 21:39.56 | Jayce^ | and smack them while they are covered, using the curve |
| 21:40.15 | goozbach | that speed ball we play in the brush I'm totally gonna pwnzor you dudes |
| 21:40.28 | Jayce^ | goozbach, dont' get your hopes up |
| 21:40.43 | Jayce^ | remember last time :) adam and I working the left side :) |
| 21:40.53 | goozbach | I'll be able to pick you off before you can even reach me. |
| 21:41.24 | Jayce^ | goozbach, I've played you before, no you can't ;-p |
| 21:41.33 | goozbach | Jayce^: I got better |
| 21:41.45 | Jayce^ | you got changed into a newt? |
| 21:42.08 | RyanE | boys and their toys... Never had more fun than the time I paintballed the boss in the back from 20 ft. :) |
| 21:42.22 | Jayce^ | RyanE, come join us sometime.. |
| 21:42.34 | dataw0lf | I definitely want to go toe to toe with these smack talkers some time. |
| 21:42.46 | Jayce^ | wife will be playing, so I only have one loaner gun this time |
| 21:42.51 | RyanE | naw, you guys are too serious. we always rented the crappy pump-action ones because we were so cheap.. I'd get seriously killed. |
| 21:43.10 | emcnabb | RyanE, you chicken? |
| 21:43.13 | Jayce^ | RyanE, nah, far from serious with our group... get's too lame around folks that can't have fun |
| 21:43.22 | RyanE | well, yeah. bwaaaak! |
| 21:43.33 | Jayce^ | RyanE, why else do you think goozbach is willing to talk smack :) |
| 21:43.49 | emcnabb | haha |
| 21:43.57 | Jayce^ | actually, pumps are some of the most fun.. still use my old Trracer sometimes |
| 21:44.00 | RyanE | you guys just want a large target. : |
| 21:44.05 | RyanE | :) |
| 21:44.27 | Jayce^ | RyanE, we've got larger, one of the guys is just a little smaller than harleypig |
| 21:44.31 | Jayce^ | another one has a gimpy knee |
| 21:44.54 | Jayce^ | we've got several noobs coming for their first try |
| 21:45.06 | RyanE | when? |
| 21:45.19 | emcnabb | Jayce^ is too scared to let me come |
| 21:45.21 | tene__ | I did paintball once before, long time ago. |
| 21:45.35 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, you can borrow the gun if you want, just claim it |
| 21:45.44 | Jayce^ | I'm sure your coworker would drive you |
| 21:45.55 | Jayce^ | sjansen said he'd come whenever you came out too |
| 21:46.09 | emcnabb | I'd like to get home if I go with him :-) |
| 21:46.18 | Jayce^ | that is a worry |
| 21:46.35 | Jayce^ | rule #1 of carpooling with sjansen, always have your own copy of his keys |
| 21:50.15 | sjansen | not whenever, obviously it has to fit in my schedule |
| 21:51.16 | tene__ | Yes whenever. Nobody cares about your schedule. |
| 21:52.43 | sjansen | tene__: You can't give me lip until you've ground me into the earth during a paint ball match. |
| 21:53.58 | emcnabb | ouch |
| 21:54.05 | emcnabb | those em fightin' words |
| 21:54.09 | Jayce^ | ~sjansen++ |
| 21:54.27 | Jayce^ | vim vs emacs match anyone? |
| 21:54.38 | emcnabb | pico4ever |
| 21:54.38 | Jayce^ | perl users vs others? :) |
| 21:55.16 | tene__ | perl vs. emacs? |
| 21:55.41 | tene__ | styrofoam vs. 3? |
| 21:55.45 | vontrapp | tene__ vs sjansen |
| 21:55.50 | tene__ | eep! |
| 21:55.51 | Jayce^ | oooh |
| 21:56.00 | tene__ | I have a tail. |
| 21:56.01 | emcnabb | sjansen vs godzilla |
| 21:56.10 | emcnabb | sjansen vs king kong |
| 21:56.14 | sjansen | ~attack tene__ |
| 21:56.17 | ibot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing tene__ |
| 21:56.17 | emcnabb | that would be a match |
| 21:56.17 | emcnabb | go sjansen! |
| 21:56.25 | sjansen | ~bzfrag tene__ |
| 21:56.26 | ibot | ACTION kills tene__ with a shot from his BZTank |
| 21:56.45 | sjansen | ~torch tene__ |
| 21:56.46 | ibot | ACTION sets tene__ on fire. |
| 21:56.54 | vontrapp | and tene is wasted from the get go |
| 21:56.59 | emcnabb | tene, you're wimping out! |
| 21:57.05 | vontrapp | will he recover? |
| 21:57.06 | sjansen | ~crush tene__ |
| 21:57.07 | ibot | ACTION crushes tene__ with a full height scsi disk |
| 21:57.09 | *** join/#utah kpettit (n=keith@user-0cet2fu.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 21:57.10 | tene__ | ~win |
| 21:57.11 | ibot | i guess win is lose. |
| 21:57.15 | sjansen | ~funkybomb tene__ |
| 21:57.17 | ibot | ACTION blows away tene__ in a psychedelic flash |
| 21:57.18 | tene__ | ... crap! |
| 21:57.21 | tene__ | ~jedi sjansen |
| 21:57.23 | ibot | ACTION chops off sjansen's head with her lightsaber |
| 21:57.29 | sjansen | ~silence tene__ |
| 21:57.31 | ibot | ACTION shoves an apple in tene__'s mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
| 21:57.31 | tene__ | ~destroy sjansen |
| 21:57.33 | ibot | no |
| 21:57.36 | sjansen | ~destroy tene__ |
| 21:57.38 | ibot | no |
| 21:57.43 | emcnabb | sjansen has serious IRC bot skillz!!! |
| 21:57.44 | tene__ | ~cook sjansen |
| 21:57.46 | ibot | ACTION throws sjansen in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks sjansen on 350 for an hour |
| 21:57.46 | sjansen | ~kill tene__ |
| 21:57.47 | ibot | ACTION shoots a positrino gun at tene__ |
| 21:57.47 | tene__ | ~eat sjansen |
| 21:57.49 | ibot | ACTION eats sjansen and falls over dead |
| 21:57.52 | tene__ | ~zap sjansen |
| 21:57.54 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives sjansen a good jolt. |
| 21:58.01 | sjansen | ~lart tene__ |
| 21:58.01 | emcnabb | go sjansen go!!! |
| 21:58.04 | tene__ | ~emulate gir |
| 21:58.05 | ibot | aww, my bees... |
| 21:58.05 | emcnabb | rah rah rah! |
| 21:58.05 | sjansen | ~stab tene__ |
| 21:58.07 | ibot | ACTION runs at tene__ with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 21:58.09 | sjansen | ~fry tene__ |
| 21:58.10 | ibot | ACTION grabs tene__ and fries him on his BFCooker9000 |
| 21:58.52 | *** join/#utah levi (n=levi@208.177.141.226.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 21:59.02 | sjansen | ~dice tene__ |
| 21:59.07 | sjansen | ~slice tene__ |
| 21:59.13 | tene__ | ~sjansen |
| 21:59.14 | ibot | i heard sjansen is one hoopey frood who really knows where his towel is |
| 21:59.23 | sjansen | ~mash tene__ |
| 21:59.29 | levi | ~levi |
| 21:59.30 | ibot | it has been said that levi is a male who lives in utah |
| 21:59.54 | sjansen | ~travolta tene__ |
| 21:59.55 | ibot | ACTION replaces tene__ with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 21:59.57 | levi | Hmm. Accurate, but unenlightening. |
| 22:01.00 | tene__ | ~enlighten sjansen |
| 22:01.01 | sjansen | ~quote scox |
| 22:01.11 | tene__ | ~quote sjansen |
| 22:01.59 | emcnabb | so, who won? |
| 22:02.00 | sjansen | What the?! SCOX has gone up? |
| 22:02.09 | tene__ | ~winner |
| 22:02.10 | ibot | well, winner is 1. n. An unexpectedly good situation, program, programmer, or person. "So it turned out I could use a lexer generator instead of hand-coding my own pattern recognizer. What a win!" 2. `real winner' Often sarcastic, but also used as high praise (see also the note under user). "He's a real winner --- never reports a bug till he can duplicate it and ... |
| 22:03.15 | sjansen | ~congratulate sjansen |
| 22:03.21 | ibot | ACTION congratulates sjansen on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 22:03.21 | sjansen | ~praise sjansen |
| 22:03.26 | ibot | All hail sjansen! |
| 22:03.26 | sjansen | ~worship sjansen |
| 22:03.29 | ibot | ACTION kneels before sjansen. "I'm not worthy!" |
| 22:03.34 | sjansen | emcnabb: I won! |
| 22:03.48 | vontrapp | i would say that's conclusive |
| 22:04.20 | levi | sjansen: Botspammer :P |
| 22:04.22 | tene__ | Looks good. |
| 22:04.31 | tene__ | I concede defeat. |
| 22:04.47 | emcnabb | tene__, you put up a good fight |
| 22:04.58 | emcnabb | I was impressed by your ibot skillz |
| 22:05.01 | tene__ | I'm just not good enough. |
| 22:05.09 | emcnabb | you almost were though |
| 22:05.14 | emcnabb | practice makes perfect |
| 22:05.20 | vontrapp | few are they who can withstand a bot-barrage at the keys of sjansen |
| 22:05.21 | emcnabb | get sjansen when he's not looking |
| 22:05.32 | tene__ | I'll have to try that. |
| 22:05.35 | tene__ | ~distract sjansen |
| 22:05.39 | ibot | ACTION puts on a blonde wig and saunters past sjansen. "Hello, sailor! Wanna go for a ride?" |
| 22:06.03 | emcnabb | we could gang up on him |
| 22:06.23 | sjansen | No one expects the Spanish Inquisition! |
| 22:06.57 | emcnabb | I'm sitting next to him; I could wack him in the head with something |
| 22:07.03 | tene__ | hehe |
| 22:07.06 | Jayce^ | now that's worthwhile |
| 22:08.30 | emcnabb | Brave Sir sjansen ran away, bravely ran away away. When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled. Yes, brave Sir sjansen turned about, and valiantly, he chickened out. Bravely taking to his feet, he beat a very brave retreat. A brave retreat by brave Sir sjansen. |
| 22:17.56 | *** join/#utah spr (n=spr@c-24-10-237-76.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:18.21 | tene__ | ~distract spr |
| 22:18.23 | ibot | ACTION puts on a blonde wig and saunters past spr. "Hello, sailor! Wanna go for a ride?" |
| 22:26.00 | *** join/#utah Mister (n=MisterEd@71-36-85-18.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 22:29.28 | graphyx | Shouldn't we change that one for something a little more tech-ish? |
| 22:29.48 | graphyx | Like ibot pulls out a new G5 Mac laptop with 17" screen and says, look pretty colors!! |
| 22:57.55 | *** join/#utah mheath (n=mheath@c-67-161-213-34.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:14.04 | spr | ~lart debian udev and alsa-utils |
| 23:25.01 | *** join/#utah gthornock (n=gthornoc@158.91.203.11) |
| 23:37.03 | *** join/#utah spr (n=spr@c-24-10-237-76.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:50.02 | *** join/#utah tiwula (n=lane@208-186-97-26.customer.csolutions.net) |
| 23:54.08 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (n=emcnabb@dhcp193.openinternet.gurulabs.com) |