| 00:02.00 | mheath | goozbach: meh, IRC is better. :) |
| 00:04.39 | goozbach | yeah, but I'm is great for those conversations that you don't want to make public |
| 00:04.56 | goozbach | either by jumping across a un-secured IRC link |
| 00:05.10 | goozbach | or some logging bot you're un-awares of |
| 00:06.11 | goozbach | or likewise |
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| 00:57.23 | mheath | goozbach: haha, you were wrong :D |
| 00:57.57 | mheath | Mike.Thomas.Heath@talk.google.com has been disconnected. |
| 00:58.01 | mheath | 405: Not Allowed |
| 00:58.19 | goozbach | yup |
| 00:58.26 | goozbach | aparently that's the case |
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| 01:14.32 | hans | Bradipo: you were right, it is .Xdefaults |
| 01:14.32 | hans | ln -s to the rescue |
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| 03:01.38 | goozbach | ~date |
| 03:01.39 | ibot | Wed Aug 24 03:01:39 2005 |
| 03:02.28 | graphyx | ~blinddate |
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| 03:34.10 | mheath | graphyx: you hoping ibot will get one of his female friends to go out with you? |
| 03:35.02 | graphyx | I just wondered if he had any wisdom on that practice. |
| 03:35.24 | goozbach | ibot: will you go out with me? |
| 03:35.28 | graphyx | Currently the only way I would be going out on a blind date would be if myself or my wife became vision impared.. |
| 03:36.10 | mheath | ibot: date? |
| 03:36.11 | ibot | Wed Aug 24 03:36:11 2005 |
| 03:36.42 | mheath | goozbach: there'd be no passion in your relationship anyway. She's so.......automatic. |
| 03:36.59 | graphyx | perhaps that is what he wants.. |
| 03:37.06 | graphyx | this fickle stuff is for the birds.. |
| 03:38.49 | goozbach | mheath: and there's passion in my life now? |
| 03:39.25 | dataw0lf- | whoa... what you do privately is your business buddy. |
| 03:39.52 | goozbach | i mean geez I'm IRCING from a MLB game |
| 03:40.06 | goozbach | that I went to all by myself |
| 03:40.41 | dataw0lf- | there's your problem. |
| 03:40.44 | dataw0lf- | self pity. |
| 03:42.52 | mheath | goozbach: oh, theres now a hack to still get on talk.google.com incase you want to abuse the not-yet-released and maybe-not-meant-for-the-public service some more :) |
| 03:45.58 | mheath | dataw0lf-: I have no chance of your company hiring me or even considering me, right? :D |
| 03:46.41 | mheath | And yes, I know my resume is laughable. |
| 03:46.58 | dataw0lf- | mheath: I just posted the job. I find lack of confidence unadmirable though. |
| 03:47.00 | dataw0lf- | see above. |
| 03:48.18 | mheath | dataw0lf-: Its not lack of confidence, its reality. I'm a 16 year old high school student whos trying to get jobs meant for those who are vastly more qualified and, usually, older (although your not supposed to discriminate based on age, most places do) |
| 03:49.00 | mheath | I have 100% confidence in my ability to fill such a roll, and in a different world I'd have a vast amount of confidence about getting such a position. In this world, though, the odds are very much against me. |
| 03:49.04 | dataw0lf- | *shrug* I was working for a video game software company when I was 16 (Radioactive Software) |
| 03:49.54 | dataw0lf- | For future reference, try to strike a balance between the self deprecation and narcissism, and you'll do fine. |
| 03:56.05 | graphyx | dataw0lf: lol.. |
| 03:57.51 | mheath | dataw0lf-: what is your typical applicant for a position like this? |
| 03:58.38 | dataw0lf- | kids. |
| 03:58.41 | dataw0lf- | *shrug* |
| 03:58.47 | dataw0lf- | 17-19 |
| 03:59.34 | mheath | Out of curiosity, how much would this position pay? |
| 04:00.42 | mheath | I'm just trying to get a feel for what entry level positions like this are like. |
| 04:01.38 | dataw0lf- | 10-14 bucks an hour or so. |
| 04:01.45 | dataw0lf- | but I gotta jet. |
| 04:02.05 | dataw0lf- | anymore questions go ahead and email me at the same address you emailed the resume to. |
| 04:02.28 | mheath | Wow, that would be amazing if I could get that position.... |
| 04:03.17 | hans | what in the world is the significance of this 60s lioness secretary on the LaTeX homepage? |
| 04:03.26 | hans | http://www.latex-project.org/ |
| 04:04.27 | spr | hans, it's on the cover of one of the books as well. Let me see if the book as an explination |
| 04:06.07 | spr | nope |
| 04:07.01 | hans | isn't it like sexist or animalist or something? |
| 04:07.48 | spr | The book has a male lion-thing, and more throughout the book (sketches at the start of each chapter). |
| 04:08.02 | mheath | It looks like something I'd expect to see in my mothers highschool yearbook. |
| 04:08.57 | mheath | Very 60ish.. |
| 04:10.24 | mheath | "The image of the TeX lion illustrating on this site was done by Toni Santo-Regis and is being used with permission by Addison-Wesley |
| 04:30.19 | levi | So, is talk.google.com working for anyone? |
| 04:33.08 | levi | Oh, hmm, it just decided to authenticate me after all. |
| 04:34.09 | spr | yeah I'm on. Just another account for gaim to handle.. |
| 04:53.47 | emcnabb | I'm on too |
| 04:54.00 | emcnabb | emacnabber is my account |
| 05:01.40 | xbmodder | could not connect to host :-/ |
| 05:08.19 | goozbach | not auth |
| 05:22.23 | xbmodder | whats so great about the google Jabber server though? :-/ |
| 05:22.33 | xbmodder | google screwed up :-/ |
| 05:30.30 | levi | xbmodder: Uh oh, better sell your stock! |
| 05:31.17 | levi | Time for me to sleep. Got class tomorrow. :/ |
| 05:31.20 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 05:31.23 | emcnabb | night all |
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| 05:34.30 | bonez41 | anyone up at this hour? |
| 05:37.01 | xbmodder | yeah |
| 05:37.03 | xbmodder | jahowl! |
| 05:37.10 | xbmodder | t |
| 05:37.18 | bonez41 | xbmodder, I aint quittin |
| 05:38.04 | bonez41 | Here's my question...My wife has a designer (should be me, but I have to learn how first)...who needs to access lots of graphic file elements.....from a server at my office.... |
| 05:38.41 | bonez41 | I want to set up a folder that this designer can access...with winscp or scp, ...or ssh...something secure...but not be able to run around and check out other stuff on my system... |
| 05:39.04 | bonez41 | how do I set up a folder that has the stuff the designer needs, without being able to pry into the rest of the drive's contents? |
| 05:39.31 | goozbach | webdav |
| 05:39.53 | goozbach | apache and webdav |
| 05:40.15 | bonez41 | webdav, eh? |
| 05:40.25 | bonez41 | I have apache running on my machine... |
| 05:41.40 | goozbach | something like this: |
| 05:41.46 | goozbach | Alias /davroot/ "/var/www/davroot/" |
| 05:41.47 | goozbach | <Location /davroot> |
| 05:41.47 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.47 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.47 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.49 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.51 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.54 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.56 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.59 | goozbach | </Location> |
| 05:42.05 | goozbach | and use htpasswd to create the .passwd-dav file |
| 05:42.33 | bonez41 | and that goes in httpd.conf? |
| 05:42.51 | bonez41 | I am no programmer, but learning fast...... |
| 05:44.23 | goozbach | or in an included file in conf.d |
| 05:44.26 | goozbach | http://www.google.com/talk/ |
| 05:46.26 | bonez41 | I better do some reading on webdav... |
| 05:49.17 | bonez41 | goozbach, ever use web-dav with iCal? I'd like to set up a web based calendar that I could synch to, and keep my wife updated..... |
| 05:49.39 | goozbach | bonez41: nope |
| 05:50.11 | bonez41 | ok |
| 05:50.13 | goozbach | it wouldn't be that hard to sync your ical to a webdav repo |
| 06:01.58 | bonez41 | when I search on ical, I get the impression that ical is fading away..... |
| 06:02.22 | bonez41 | I'd think scheduling, and calendaring would something worthwhile....just seems odd that it may be fading |
| 06:04.15 | bonez41 | at least anything related to iCal and Debian...they dropped it |
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| 13:18.39 | levi | Huh. Bye, ChanServ! |
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| 13:43.39 | synic | woot. google talk is officially jabber. |
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| 13:47.02 | levi | synic: It's not very good at authenticating reliably, though. |
| 13:47.22 | synic | levi: does it do s2s ? |
| 13:47.41 | levi | I'm not sure what s2s is. But it doesn't let me log in. |
| 13:47.57 | levi | Except for a brief while last night. |
| 13:48.25 | synic | ah - server to server |
| 13:48.40 | levi | Oh, from what I hear that's disabled. |
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| 13:53.27 | synic | You need to know the following: DNS SRV records are not configured for the service at this time Client applications should connect to host talk.google.com on port 5222 TLS is required The only supported authentication mechanism is SASL PLAIN |
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| 15:20.12 | Jayce^ | anybody tried google talk <-> other jabber yet? |
| 15:20.52 | synic | it doesn't support server to server (yet) |
| 15:25.11 | mrpull | Jayce^: I used google's instructions to configure Trillian Pro to connect |
| 15:25.16 | mrpull | so far so good |
| 15:25.48 | mrpull | i don't think I want another steenking IM provider |
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| 15:30.42 | emcnabb | Jayce^, I got on last night |
| 15:30.51 | emcnabb | spr and I chatted for a bit |
| 15:31.16 | emcnabb | I'm connected right now if you want to test it out (name: emacnabber) |
| 15:32.07 | sjansen | So I finally saw Napolean Dynamite last night. |
| 15:32.24 | sjansen | An hour after the movie finished, I still wanted to gnaw off my own leg to escape. |
| 15:33.26 | dataw0lf | hahaha |
| 15:34.19 | Jayce^ | sjansen, it's *that* good :) |
| 15:34.54 | mrpull | Arrrgghh... why must I reboot after updating Outlook 2003's spam filter? |
| 15:35.07 | dataw0lf | I watched it before I'd experienced Utah culture, so I was completely bewildered. |
| 15:35.25 | emcnabb | I think the movie is pretty dumb and has no plot, but it does have some pretty funny parts / lines |
| 15:35.26 | dataw0lf | then I came here, and it was, like, Napolean Dynamite 24/7. |
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| 16:16.35 | ralphsnart | mrpull: how did trillian work w/ google? |
| 16:16.52 | sjansen | #&^%$&^% |
| 16:17.30 | sjansen | Gaim's having a hard time dealing with the fact that I have three jabber accounts. First I was hit by an army of Evan's, now I can't re-add his gmail account. |
| 16:19.48 | mrpull | i set it up, but don't have any jabber/google contacts to test it with. |
| 16:20.01 | dataw0lf | digitalsuicide@gmail.com |
| 16:20.06 | mrpull | i hesitate to encourage anybody to use it :) |
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| 16:26.02 | mrpull | hrrmm... google talk killed trillian :) |
| 16:26.49 | dataw0lf | jabber isn't supported natively by Trillian, is it? |
| 16:26.55 | KipTheDog | This is Gabe.... |
| 16:26.57 | KipTheDog | I'm going all jabber (thanks to google I believe this now piratical). Add me if you want - ggundy@gmail.com. I'll drop the other closed protocols in a week or two... |
| 16:27.05 | KipTheDog | ... back to my hole |
| 16:27.13 | emcnabb | cool |
| 16:27.29 | dataw0lf | anyone know when Google plans on adding s2s ? |
| 16:28.21 | levi | KipTheDog: It's piratical, eh? Has it made you start saying 'Arrrr!' a lot? |
| 16:28.43 | KipTheDog | ha ha |
| 16:29.30 | sjansen | Is it that they don't have s2s or a routing issue? |
| 16:30.04 | KipTheDog | practical - give a guy a break |
| 16:31.11 | sjansen | What's the point of using Jabber and not allowing s2s? |
| 16:31.53 | KipTheDog | I'm to emotional about Jabber to be concerned with small thinks like spelling and communicating effectively. |
| 16:32.11 | mrpull | trillian pro supports jabber/google talk (supposed to at least) |
| 16:32.22 | KipTheDog | no s2s? |
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| 16:37.20 | levi | One would think that someone so excited about a communication medium would care about communicating effectively. ;) |
| 16:37.53 | levi | Hmm, google talk finally let me back on. |
| 16:39.13 | KipTheDog | O.K. It actually had more to do with eating breakfast and watching the kids in the bath then being caught up in excitement over Jabber. |
| 16:47.30 | sjansen | Reading the FAQ, looks like Google may not be opening up completely. |
| 16:48.57 | KipTheDog | post a link |
| 16:55.01 | KipTheDog | I got it |
| 16:55.02 | KipTheDog | http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html#service_1 |
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| 17:27.11 | hans | ~lart sjansen |
| 17:30.06 | levi | sjansen: What do you mean by 'opening up completely'? Open up in what sense? |
| 17:32.10 | tene__ | levi: allowing communication with other servers. |
| 17:32.25 | tene__ | For example, allowing foo@jabber.com to talk to bar@gmail.com |
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| 17:41.44 | sjansen | levi: Allowing server to server connections. |
| 17:42.00 | sjansen | Ah, n/m, tene__ explained. |
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| 18:15.18 | goozbach | anyone here at that rave that got busted up? |
| 18:15.39 | goozbach | I'm kinda glad I was out of town this week, or I'd have been there |
| 18:19.06 | neybar_work | heh |
| 18:19.32 | ralphsnart | rave? don't people do MARIJUANA at those things?? |
| 18:20.26 | goozbach | http://www.music-versus-guns.org/ |
| 18:22.56 | dataw0lf | no, but I know the organizers. |
| 18:30.30 | lars-ut | speaking of law enforcement, I understand the police were present with full riot gear AND automatic weapons for the president's speech here. |
| 18:31.47 | lars-ut | Bienvenidos to 3rd world country Utah. |
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| 18:34.40 | mrpull | they were afraid all you darn kids on X would hug them to death |
| 18:56.26 | sjansen | mongolian bbq |
| 18:56.45 | goozbach | sjansen: you on the road? |
| 18:57.00 | goozbach | if not, where did you get mongolian bbq? |
| 18:57.42 | sjansen | china buffet off 500 s. |
| 18:57.59 | sjansen | not the best, but decent price and plenty of food |
| 18:58.48 | sjansen | sorry, china gourmet |
| 19:14.09 | emcnabb | I will |
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| 19:32.28 | xbmodder | can someone hug bush to death? |
| 19:45.04 | WoodsDog | anyone know of a command line FTPS client? |
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| 20:07.45 | sjansen | ~dict FTPS |
| 20:15.23 | tene__ | I think he meants sftp |
| 20:15.26 | tene__ | ~sftp |
| 20:15.28 | ibot | Screen-oriented FTP client, based on the curses library.. URL: http://www.concentric.net/~mrsam/sftp/index.html. Secure ftp://ftp. part of OpenSSH |
| 20:15.37 | tene__ | probably the latter |
| 20:15.38 | WoodsDog | nope, ftps |
| 20:15.42 | tene__ | 'kay... |
| 20:15.44 | tene__ | ~ftps |
| 20:16.08 | WoodsDog | ftp over ssl |
| 20:16.16 | WoodsDog | not sftp, ssh |
| 20:19.16 | emcnabb | http://www.ford-hutchinson.com/~fh-1-pfh/ftps-ext.html#C_P_T_06 |
| 20:19.24 | emcnabb | this has a list of clients |
| 20:19.30 | WoodsDog | sweet |
| 20:19.33 | WoodsDog | let me check it out |
| 20:22.50 | emcnabb | is that what you were looking for? |
| 20:27.04 | WoodsDog | are you refering to lftp? |
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| 20:27.29 | WoodsDog | that might work |
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| 20:30.49 | sjansen | ~praise lftp |
| 20:30.52 | ibot | All hail lftp! |
| 20:31.54 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 20:32.16 | emcnabb | support was only added recently |
| 20:41.55 | mheath | I need to get a new job..... |
| 20:44.47 | sjansen | If you never read The Mythical Man Month, there's two things you must know from it: |
| 20:44.58 | sjansen | 1) Adding people to a project slows it down. |
| 20:45.02 | sjansen | 2) http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/S/second-system-effect.html |
| 20:45.24 | hans | Â i need to know a url? |
| 20:46.25 | sjansen | The info at the URL. |
| 20:47.43 | sjansen | I'm in the process of replacing a bunch of XSLT with Ruby code. |
| 20:48.27 | sjansen | While evaluating a change, I mentioned second-system in passing. It's come up twice in other contexts since then. |
| 20:49.45 | sjansen | If you're going to write software, BEWARE creeping featureism for it strikes at night leaving a wasted blight wehere 'ere it touches destroying lives and curshing spirits!!!! |
| 20:49.51 | sjansen | Or something like that. |
| 20:50.36 | levi | Did you come up with a nice DSL for it? |
| 20:50.53 | hans | don't forget to make everything automagic |
| 20:51.29 | hans | and I want cool fortunes output when something goes wrong |
| 20:51.40 | sjansen | emailed, of course |
| 20:52.11 | mheath | dataw0lf: any news on your opening? |
| 20:52.15 | hans | and it needs to receive email too |
| 20:52.22 | hans | on port 8025 |
| 20:52.48 | levi | hans: Eventually, all programs have to do email. |
| 20:52.50 | goozbach | and tls enabled on port 1773 |
| 20:54.57 | graphyx | hans: Is there a way to run a single command for the asterisk server and have that data output to the command line? |
| 20:55.22 | graphyx | I just want to have it report on the status of calls in the queue and the only way I can do that currently is in the asterisk CLI |
| 20:55.33 | graphyx | If I could get that outputted to a shell I could do whatever I wanted with it. |
| 20:57.11 | hans | you mean -x? |
| 20:57.34 | graphyx | so I can run asterisk -x show agents and it would display that output on the command line? |
| 20:57.40 | sjansen | ~praise grep --color=auto |
| 20:57.41 | ibot | All hail grep --color=auto! |
| 20:57.44 | hans | asterisk -x "show agents" |
| 20:58.05 | levi | Time for skool. |
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| 21:08.44 | hans | ok, so nx is supposed to be a great middle-man to proxy vnc so you get better vnc performance over less bandwidth |
| 21:09.04 | hans | but that's not what I'm seeing - nx works great for linux, but the vnc proxy is slooooow (much slower than plain vnc) |
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| 21:27.39 | hagna | so an ethernet card shows up in /proc/pci, but the driver doesn't know about it. What could be wrong? |
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| 21:36.38 | emcnabb | hagna, what card? |
| 21:37.24 | hagna | emcnabb: are you wondering if I have the right driver? |
| 21:41.05 | emcnabb | just curious about the card |
| 21:41.16 | emcnabb | is it a well supported card? |
| 21:42.39 | hagna | no not well supported. It's a failover card from etinc. It's supposed to work with modified e1000 drivers and I got it to work once, but no dice today |
| 21:44.25 | emcnabb | inside of each driver (kernel module), there is a mapping of PCI IDs that use that driver |
| 21:44.44 | emcnabb | if it's not listed in there the kernel won't know which one to load |
| 21:45.01 | emcnabb | I had that problem with the wireless NIC on my last laptop |
| 21:45.24 | emcnabb | I just added the PCI ID to the modules' table and it worked like a charm |
| 21:45.38 | hagna | is the pci id in /proc/pci? |
| 21:45.40 | emcnabb | since it's not a well supported card, that may not have been done |
| 21:45.51 | emcnabb | (or it could be something else) |
| 21:46.23 | hagna | it says PCI device 1374:0028 is that the id? |
| 21:46.41 | emcnabb | lspci -v |
| 21:47.10 | emcnabb | does the card work if you manually load the module? |
| 21:47.52 | emcnabb | never mind |
| 21:48.05 | emcnabb | (ignore my last question) |
| 21:48.19 | hagna | lspci no existe |
| 21:48.44 | emcnabb | /sbin/lspci |
| 21:49.35 | hagna | this other machine has it is the id that first number? |
| 21:49.42 | emcnabb | and what do you mean by "modified"? |
| 21:50.46 | hagna | patches so that it works with GB card, and like I said this was working once so I think the driver is ok |
| 21:51.21 | hagna | lspci -v lists these devices and 0000:05:03.0 is before Ethernet Controller is "0000:05:03.0" the id then? |
| 21:53.53 | emcnabb | it should be on the second line |
| 21:54.46 | emcnabb | with a modified driver like that, there could be a lot of things wrong; if it worked before, that's probably not the problem |
| 21:55.18 | hagna | may be hardware |
| 21:56.14 | hans | shotgun time |
| 21:56.35 | hans | so google talk is jabber but doesn't talk to other jabber servers. odd |
| 21:57.03 | hagna | hans: why is that odd? You can turn off talking to other servers |
| 21:57.16 | emcnabb | talk to other servers "yet"; hopefully they'll turn it on |
| 21:57.33 | hans | it's odd in that they talk about wanting to talk to other servers in the future |
| 21:57.38 | hans | and yet they don't talk to other jabber servers |
| 21:57.54 | hans | but I'm wondering if it's the TLS/SASL bit that's making it hard |
| 21:58.30 | hans | i don't know whether jabberd would have a hard time with that or not but I know tls/sasl can be a showstopper so I immediately suspect it. (google talk requires tls and sasl plain auth (for now)) |
| 21:58.32 | hagna | TLS/SASL does do that |
| 21:59.12 | hagna | hans: you think tls/sasl communication to other servers is the show stopper? |
| 22:00.38 | hagna | or is it tls/sasl client logins that stops the show? |
| 22:00.45 | sjansen | According the the FAQ, it is worry about abuse (aka spam). |
| 22:01.10 | hans | between servers |
| 22:01.38 | hagna | now it's the talk of the freenode |
| 22:01.39 | sjansen | heh, it came out this morning |
| 22:01.50 | sjansen | rumors started yesterday |
| 22:01.51 | hans | sjansen: sorry, that doesn't jive with their purported "service choice" |
| 22:02.09 | sjansen | hans: I know, but it's what the faq says. |
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| 22:02.15 | hans | hagna: i'm only suspicious, I don't actually have a theory yet |
| 22:02.32 | sjansen | Hopefully they're just going slowly with partial roll-out. |
| 22:02.45 | hans | sjansen: heh. in other words "we haven't figure out how to do this the way we like it, so we'll make up a policy reason and put it in the faq." |
| 22:03.05 | hans | i'll push it as soon as my friends/family can talk to my already-existing jabber account |
| 22:03.10 | hans | die aim die |
| 22:03.18 | emcnabb | I can understand starting small though |
| 22:03.22 | hagna | they have bridges |
| 22:03.25 | sjansen | Hopefully the talk of "federating" with only select parties doesn't mean it'll be an invitation only party. |
| 22:03.28 | hagna | jabber2irc |
| 22:03.32 | emcnabb | they probably have a lot of other things to worry about |
| 22:03.32 | hagna | jabber2* |
| 22:04.03 | hans | well if they don't talk to others, it's just another IM service and there's just about 0 people who want just another IM service |
| 22:04.14 | hans | although a lot of people would sign up and use it for a week just because it's from google. |
| 22:04.21 | sjansen | The faq wasn't clear, but one interpretation would be that the limited federation applied only for SIP/VOIP extensions. |
| 22:04.26 | bonez39 | referring to googles new IM service? |
| 22:04.38 | hans | yeah, that's kind of what I got out of it too sjansen |
| 22:04.40 | sjansen | hans: that's exactly what I said on the new talk forum |
| 22:04.44 | hagna | it's the talk of the channel |
| 22:05.20 | sjansen | I suggest that everyone else also tell google they'll only encourage friends to switch if it's an open system. Otherwise, it's no more useful than AIM or MSN. |
| 22:05.49 | hagna | sjansen: what do you mean by open? |
| 22:05.57 | sjansen | server2server enabled |
| 22:07.03 | hagna | so anyone could run their own server and join the google network? |
| 22:07.12 | sjansen | If I can't connect our corporate jabber server to google's, I'm not going to tell customers to use it. If I can't connect my personal jabber server to google's, I'm not going to tell friends to use it. |
| 22:07.18 | sjansen | hagna: No. |
| 22:07.38 | sjansen | If they enabled it, the standard already provides for that. But they haven't. |
| 22:07.53 | hagna | I meant what you said |
| 22:49.47 | hans | thank goodness for web payment and credit cards |
| 22:53.32 | emcnabb | hans, so you're down in NM now? |
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| 22:54.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Any photoshop folks here? |
| 22:54.17 | tene__ | I've used it before... |
| 22:54.48 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm |
| 22:55.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I need to take a picture that has antialiased text on it, and a colored background, and make the background white |
| 22:55.17 | Lone_Wanderer | might just be easier to redo the image... |
| 22:56.14 | tene__ | is it *just* text and color? |
| 22:56.47 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 22:56.54 | tene__ | there are colorizing tools and such |
| 22:56.56 | Lone_Wanderer | but I hate trying to font-match |
| 22:57.19 | tene__ | I don't know exact instructions for photoshop. |
| 22:57.54 | tene__ | but you'd be changing color levels or colorizing or something like that |
| 22:58.28 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 22:58.35 | Lone_Wanderer | I tried that but they all leave the BG grey |
| 22:58.37 | Lone_Wanderer | instead of white |
| 22:58.54 | tene__ | buy a copy for me and I'll figure it out for you. |
| 22:59.06 | Lone_Wanderer | bugger, I don't have the font on my system so I can't just dupe the logo |
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| 23:32.41 | levi-treo | This is promising. The prof for the class had Queen playing when we walked in. |
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