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01:48.39 | goozbach | emcnabb: |
01:48.41 | goozbach | http://spikedhumor.com/Article.aspx?id=1447 |
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01:50.54 | emcnabb | haha |
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01:58.07 | sargun | hey |
01:58.13 | sargun | this is Xbmodder |
01:58.14 | sargun | :) |
01:58.26 | sargun | ok, were are thinking about it.... |
01:58.27 | sargun | need to think of something you could do. |
01:58.53 | sargun | when someone replies with that after the resume has been sent is that yes-ish |
01:58.55 | sargun | or no. |
01:59.34 | RyanE | it's 'don't know'. |
02:00.00 | RyanE | I had a company string me along for 2 weeks telling me they'd be hiring me any day now, until finally they said "the board informed us that we do not have an open position". |
02:00.16 | RyanE | I hope yours turns out better. :) |
02:00.44 | sargun | :( |
02:00.47 | sargun | Hope fully |
02:01.20 | sargun | Well these guys are in deep. |
02:01.44 | sargun | they delivered the product about 2 months late and the investors are tired. |
02:02.08 | sargun | Because they need to release the "professional" edition of their product |
02:30.34 | xbmodder | anyone in here have orkut? |
02:51.36 | goozbach | http://194.112.40.188/trev2.swf |
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02:55.39 | levi | Good evening. |
02:57.30 | goozbach | good evening |
02:59.29 | levi | Heh. What have you been doing in the classroom? |
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03:07.21 | xbmodder | Linus' daughter's are not too much younger than me :) |
03:07.32 | xbmodder | 5 years |
03:08.08 | xbmodder | ;) |
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03:19.41 | xbmodder | your not doing a redhat course teaching are you? |
03:19.42 | xbmodder | I didn't know there where any redhat facilities in Ogden, Utah |
03:22.20 | Supaplex | http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,68492,00.html What happens when FedEx gets uptight about your gratious use of boxes for furniture. funny :P |
03:42.07 | goozbach | I'm doing a redhat class in Phoenix |
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03:52.57 | xbmodder | oh :-/ |
03:53.13 | xbmodder | SSHing into your system at home? |
03:53.18 | xbmodder | well work |
03:53.28 | xbmodder | Is orkut invites not working for anyone right now? |
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04:20.21 | goozbach | the answer is yes... i did set off the alarm. |
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04:48.51 | levi | I don't know why anyone would want to get invited to orkut these days. |
04:50.10 | bonez41 | I don't know what orkut is.....these days or anytime.. |
04:51.04 | levi | A 'social networking' sort of site, in the same vein as friendster. |
04:51.23 | levi | Launched by a guy who works at google, though. |
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04:54.39 | bonez41 | is 'social networking' akin at ALL to 'social engineering' ? or only when it doesn't involve actual engineer types? |
04:57.42 | levi | No.. |
05:23.41 | xbmodder | like social networking for engineers |
05:23.44 | xbmodder | linus is on it |
05:24.32 | bonez41 | linus torvalds? |
05:24.40 | bonez41 | linus is on orkut? |
05:25.29 | levi | A lot of people are on it. |
05:25.40 | levi | Some of them are well-known. |
05:26.32 | levi | But the well-known people generally have public email addresses, so it's not like it's a big deal. |
05:29.19 | bonez41 | oh, I guess I seeemed surprised....in comparing it to other high profile peoople....like you'd never run into some top rpogrammer from Microsoft or Novell on something like that..... |
05:29.42 | levi | Perhaps you would, though. |
05:30.00 | levi | It does have google-dust sprinkled on it, after all. |
05:30.17 | bonez41 | I have written email to peopl elike Eric (guy who wrote the Bazaar and the Cathedral) and received responses...direct...that's what's great about open source...open access to the authors... |
05:31.55 | bonez41 | Eric Raymond |
05:31.58 | bonez41 | is that his name? |
05:32.20 | tensai | yes |
05:32.28 | bonez41 | cool |
05:32.35 | tensai | aka ESR |
05:33.05 | tensai | mmm, homemade sausage and onion pizza... |
05:33.48 | bonez41 | there ya go |
05:34.36 | Maquis | ~lart OIT |
05:34.37 | Maquis | ~beat OIT |
05:34.37 | ibot | ACTION beats OIT with a large stick. |
05:34.40 | Maquis | ~kill OIT |
05:34.40 | ibot | ACTION shoots a excited anti-photon gun at OIT |
05:34.46 | tensai | and my wife hates sausage, especially when I add rosemary so it's all mine. mua ha ha ha |
05:34.48 | Maquis | ~destroy OIT |
05:34.49 | ibot | no |
05:35.04 | tensai | Maquis: what is it this time? |
05:36.26 | Maquis | newsome's fixed this problem at least 10 times in the past 2 days, and the server still claims not to exist |
05:36.28 | bonez41 | oit? |
05:37.06 | Maquis | office of it |
05:37.07 | Maquis | byu |
05:38.20 | tensai | this is the problem with phantom? |
05:38.27 | Maquis | yeah |
05:38.33 | Maquis | phantom claims not to exist |
05:38.41 | tensai | quite appropos, no? |
05:40.17 | bonez41 | it's been a while since I spent any time at BYU....... do they have file sharing police and the porn police....and the hacker police....policing the internet activity of all the students and faculty? |
05:41.14 | Maquis | well, if they have file-sharing police, they're amazingly ineffective... |
05:41.27 | Maquis | i'd say that at least 80% of my floor back in the dorms used Kazaa |
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05:43.05 | bonez41 | ah....I have used gtk-gnutella now and then..... |
05:43.19 | bonez41 | not sure if it's monitored or tracked, .... |
05:43.54 | Maquis | i'm sure all tpes of things are monitored, etc... |
05:44.25 | bonez41 | no doubt |
05:44.49 | Hhhhh | hello |
05:48.39 | bonez41 | Hhhhh, hello there |
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06:19.38 | levi | Well, I've finished my Lisp hacking for the night. I got basic web-based entry and comment administration stuff done on my blog engine. |
06:22.39 | Hhhhh | ((()(_(()(()()()()()(())lisp())(()(()(())())()(_)())() |
06:23.00 | Hhhhh | ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( 'Hello World" ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) |
06:23.06 | Hhhhh | :p |
06:23.43 | levi | More like: (format nil "Hello World") |
06:25.26 | levi | Which has exactly the same number of parentheses as: printf("Hello World"); :P |
06:26.31 | Hhhhh | lol |
06:26.46 | Hhhhh | well, sorry, I like the power of Lisp-like languages but not their syntax |
06:26.52 | Hhhhh | got enough from Scheme in CS330 |
06:26.56 | levi | So, use Dylan. |
06:27.10 | Hhhhh | nah, C++ serves my purposes best |
06:27.20 | levi | It's essentially Common Lisp with an algolish syntax. |
06:27.33 | levi | Complete with macros! |
06:27.38 | Hhhhh | yea, I heard of Dylan |
06:27.41 | Hhhhh | that's nice |
06:30.25 | levi | I'd never use C++ on a hobby project, but I wish I had a working C++ cross-compiler for my embedded system at work. |
06:31.43 | levi | C is a bit lacking in some regards, and while C++ is overly complicated and nasty in numerous ways, I would like to have some of its features in my daily work. |
06:33.39 | Hhhhh | I guess I am more used to C++. It is the language of preference in graphics and game development, which is what I do both for school and hobby |
06:33.52 | mheath | C isn't lacking. Programers are just getting lazier. That and employers are driving their programmers to be lazier. |
06:35.24 | levi | mheath: Uh, whatever, dude. Go make a useful program completely in a RISC assembly language, then come back and tell me how useful you think higher-level languges are. |
06:35.57 | Hhhhh | I've found C to have all the features I'd like except by some nice tricks you can do in functional programming |
06:36.02 | mheath | levi: I'm not talking about Assembly Vs. .NET |
06:36.24 | mheath | I'm talking about C versus C++, C++ versus .NET |
06:36.30 | Hhhhh | what does RISC have to do with that? |
06:36.34 | levi | mheath: You are talking out of your ass is what you're doing. |
06:36.46 | Hhhhh | heh, calm down dude, nobody is bashing your lisp |
06:37.09 | levi | I'm not defending lisp, I'm defending all the programming language research done since C. |
06:37.22 | Hhhhh | and that's cool |
06:37.30 | Hhhhh | nobody is bashing that |
06:37.35 | levi | Which mheath has essentially declared useless. |
06:37.49 | levi | Lisp is lacking in some ways, too. |
06:37.51 | mheath | levi: no. I've personally talked to and read through code of some of the best coders out there. Their code is an art, and uses C or some simlar language. |
06:37.56 | Hhhhh | I prefer C++ because I like it, and I like the way it lets me do my own optimizations in the code itself |
06:38.08 | mheath | But, at the same time, I get college representatives coming into my highschool programming class and telling me that "Java is the future!" |
06:38.15 | Hhhhh | and I do believe C isn't lacking |
06:38.25 | Hhhhh | nah, Java is dying |
06:38.32 | levi | C is indeed lacking, and anyone who believes it isn't hasn't got much of an imagination. |
06:38.33 | Hhhhh | it's nice but other factors are killing it |
06:38.49 | mheath | "Object oriented programming is the future!" They speak with pride that some ignorant guy who graduated from a 2 year college can write a program simply by laying it out in a GUI program. |
06:38.55 | Hhhhh | ok, feel free to keep thinking they way you do, I'll do the same |
06:39.18 | levi | The C type system is awful, and you have to circumvent it to do anything useful. |
06:39.24 | xbmodder | I like python print 'hello, world' |
06:39.32 | Hhhhh | I personally like OOP a lot, and I believe it does not make things more bloated or troublesome |
06:39.46 | Hhhhh | but I guess it is because I started out with OOP |
06:39.58 | levi | Well, not 'anything useful' but anything beyond your basic procedural programming paradigm. |
06:40.36 | Hhhhh | it is possible to work around that through some interfaces, but I personally think that OOP is a lot cleaner than the pure C approach |
06:40.52 | Hhhhh | I don't like the way C is worked around that |
06:41.05 | levi | Hhhhh: And C is lacking in its ability to do OOP cleanly. |
06:41.25 | Hhhhh | C was created without OOP in mind |
06:41.30 | Hhhhh | that's why I do C++ |
06:41.53 | levi | Indeed. Which is fine, but its inability to deal with it cleanly shows its weakness. |
06:42.35 | Hhhhh | if you want to do OOP stuff with C, it indeed is a weakness. Most stuff out of what it was intended to work on will show their weaknesse |
06:43.09 | Hhhhh | I personally like the OOP approach a lot, and C++ or other OOP languages are already better suited for that than C |
06:43.11 | levi | So, C is lacking there. |
06:43.15 | mheath | I personally dislike OOP, because it dumbs down new programmers. |
06:43.16 | Hhhhh | of course |
06:43.28 | levi | mheath: You're talking out of your ass again. Stop it. |
06:43.32 | Hhhhh | mheath: hmm, it depends, some people catch it right away |
06:43.39 | mheath | levi: no I'm not |
06:43.46 | Hhhhh | mheath: I've seen all kinds of cases when TAing CS142 |
06:43.46 | mheath | I was in a class with a bunch of high school students |
06:43.56 | mheath | a year long class on introduction to object oriented programming |
06:43.59 | Hhhhh | and I always tried to make sure people understood that part |
06:44.00 | xbmodder | I like OOP it makes everything SOO much easier |
06:44.20 | levi | mheath: OOP does not dumb down new programmers. |
06:44.25 | mheath | Guess what? At the end of the year, no one in the class knew what an "integer" was. |
06:44.35 | Hhhhh | levi: it depends, some people are indeed dumbed down |
06:44.46 | levi | Hhhhh: Sure, but it's not OOP's fault. |
06:44.47 | mheath | The class was in VB |
06:44.51 | Hhhhh | mheath: that means nothing |
06:45.00 | Hhhhh | lol, VB isn't OOP |
06:45.08 | levi | mheath: VB may indeed dumb down new programmers. That's got nothing to do with OOP. |
06:45.12 | mheath | Hhhhh: .NET VB isn't? |
06:45.18 | Hhhhh | VB.NET is |
06:45.32 | Hhhhh | but teachers that teach VB.NET are not teachers, if you get what I mean |
06:45.33 | mheath | Hhhhh: thats what the class was using. |
06:46.03 | Hhhhh | well, back in the day I would have used Java, and now I would use C# or something like that for a OOP class |
06:46.10 | mheath | Hhhhh: no, the teachers that teach VB.NET are forced to becaus the state department of education agrees with you that OOP is the best, that its the future |
06:46.18 | mheath | they switched the introductory class from C to VB |
06:46.32 | levi | mheath: Where's this class? |
06:46.53 | mheath | Yes, I know VB is a horrible example of OOP. But unlike us linux users here, the state department of education is in Microsoft's pocket |
06:46.55 | Hhhhh | mheath: no, you're wrong. VB.NET is what dumb programmers use, so if the state department think VB.NET is the best for teaching OOP, then that's where the problem is |
06:47.15 | Hhhhh | mheath: well, i'd go for C# any day |
06:47.24 | Hhhhh | whether i'm in M$'s pocket or not |
06:47.49 | Hhhhh | VB.NET is NOT a good language to teach OOP |
06:47.50 | mheath | levi: I believe in every highschool in Utah that wants to offer programming |
06:47.57 | Hhhhh | well that's sad |
06:48.08 | levi | mheath: None of which has anything to do with OOP as a concept, so my assertion that you were talking out of your ass has not been refuted. |
06:48.32 | Hhhhh | they can teach C# and still kiss M$'s butt |
06:49.02 | Hhhhh | I agree with levi there, it's VB.NET that complicated things, it is not an easy language to teach unless you come from VB |
06:49.11 | Hhhhh | OOP was not the problem there |
06:49.20 | mheath | They can only teach VB and Java now (COmp Programming1 is VB and Comp Programming2 is Java) |
06:49.21 | Hhhhh | VB.NET is really very useless |
06:49.40 | Hhhhh | hmm, Java is somewhat nice but it is dying |
06:49.43 | Hhhhh | they should teach C# |
06:49.43 | levi | It'd be sad for anyone to force classes to use VB, but a competent teacher could still teach correct programming principles with it despite the nastiness. |
06:49.51 | Hhhhh | that's the best language to teach newbies |
06:49.59 | mheath | Hhhhh: oh, but they thing C# is too advanced for beginning programmers. And Comp Programming2 has to be Java, because its an AP class and thats what the AP test is on. |
06:50.03 | mheath | *think |
06:50.06 | Hhhhh | what! |
06:50.11 | levi | Hhhhh: Java is dying in the same way C++ is. Meaning, it'll still be around and useful for a long time. |
06:50.14 | Hhhhh | if they teach java they can teach C# |
06:50.30 | Hhhhh | nah, C++ is pretty strong man, no signs of it dying |
06:50.33 | Hhhhh | java IS dying |
06:51.01 | Hhhhh | lots of linux users are preferring python or perl nowadays, but believe me, C++ is still very strong |
06:51.17 | levi | C++ had a huge chunk of its marketshare taken away by Java, and I'm sure plenty of people thought it was dying at the time. |
06:51.24 | Hhhhh | not a huge chunk |
06:52.04 | Hhhhh | I think C++ is still the most used language for non-web stuff |
06:52.16 | Hhhhh | actually, I'm pretty confident about that |
06:52.51 | Hhhhh | there are many cases in which people would be better off using something different |
06:53.12 | levi | Hhhhh: What makes you confident about it? The fact that you like to use C++? |
06:53.31 | Hhhhh | nope, the fact that most companies are still hiring C++ developers |
06:53.40 | Hhhhh | and the amount of resources out there |
06:53.58 | Hhhhh | java's market decreases a lot, and C# is pushing strong |
06:54.05 | Hhhhh | but still C++ rules |
06:54.26 | Hhhhh | i'm not saying it is the best language, there is no such thing as a "best" language |
06:54.27 | levi | A lot of companies are still hiring Java programmers, too. |
06:54.41 | Hhhhh | it all depends on what you're trying to do and also in your background |
06:54.45 | Hhhhh | not many |
06:54.52 | Hhhhh | pretty much is all J2EE |
06:55.09 | levi | Which is... Java. |
06:55.29 | Hhhhh | what I meant is that J2EE is most of the Java offers out there |
06:55.42 | Hhhhh | you don't see many desktop java programming outside of schools nowadays |
06:55.48 | levi | Which may be true, but is irrelevant. |
06:56.06 | levi | Most programming is /not/ desktop programming. |
06:56.11 | Hhhhh | still, j2EE isn't a huge share of the market either |
06:56.19 | Hhhhh | true |
06:56.33 | Hhhhh | in that real PHP is pretty big |
06:56.43 | Hhhhh | which is pretty much a mix between perl and C |
06:57.04 | Hhhhh | s/real/realm |
06:57.44 | Hhhhh | when I said "most used language" I mentiones "non-web" |
06:57.56 | Hhhhh | so it is probable that PHP is most used than C++ |
06:58.35 | Hhhhh | anyways, in my area, C++ is a huge share |
06:58.49 | Hhhhh | not many games are in a language other than C++ |
06:59.01 | levi | Java beats C++ in jobs listed at Dice.com |
06:59.03 | Hhhhh | and when they are, it's usually some zealot trying to make a point |
06:59.16 | levi | So, now your slanted perspective comes out. :) |
06:59.28 | Hhhhh | lol, that is one instance at a given time |
06:59.55 | levi | Java also sells more books than C++ does. |
06:59.57 | Hhhhh | also make sure you're looking in non-web jobs, |
07:00.05 | Hhhhh | bleh, that is irrelevant |
07:00.08 | levi | I just did a search on 'Java' and 'C++' |
07:00.15 | Hhhhh | i'm sure C# sells more books than java |
07:00.17 | levi | I don't care what they're related to. |
07:00.22 | levi | I'm sure it doesn't. |
07:00.37 | Hhhhh | well, then you're not paying attention to what I'm saying |
07:00.59 | Hhhhh | I specifically said and repeated that C++ is the most commonly used language in non-web stuff |
07:01.02 | levi | http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2005/06/the_rise_of_ope.html |
07:01.15 | Hhhhh | searching for java will simply give j2ee stuff |
07:01.28 | Hhhhh | oreilly, the most knowledgable guy in the internet ;P |
07:01.38 | Hhhhh | you need better sources |
07:01.45 | Hhhhh | nuff' said about that |
07:02.31 | Hhhhh | now, if you want to go through the trouble of filtering web-related java stuff from your searches, we'll see what happens |
07:02.56 | levi | Searching 'java and not j2ee' on dice.com returned a similar number as c++ |
07:03.04 | levi | I don't care enough to research beyond that. |
07:03.16 | levi | Obviously the impending death of java is greatly exaggerated. |
07:03.27 | Hhhhh | yup, of course you wouldn't, because most j2ee are listed as java |
07:03.35 | Hhhhh | or they'll put servlets instead of j2ee |
07:03.46 | Hhhhh | or java web services |
07:03.51 | Hhhhh | or jsp |
07:04.09 | Hhhhh | try looking for swing or something more desktop-ish |
07:04.21 | levi | Regardless, that doesn't mean Java is dying, which is the statement I am trying to refute, not your assertion that java isn't used outside web programming. |
07:04.43 | Hhhhh | well, whatever |
07:04.52 | Hhhhh | many people migrated from java to C# |
07:04.56 | Hhhhh | it took a huge share |
07:05.05 | levi | I think your perception of that is skewed. |
07:05.11 | Hhhhh | and most people that stayed were or moved to j2ee |
07:05.33 | Hhhhh | man, just think of the beauty of making guis in swing |
07:05.48 | Hhhhh | that should be enough reason to justify massive migrations to C# |
07:06.00 | levi | Making guis in swing isn't that bad. It's just /using/ them that is. |
07:06.16 | Hhhhh | have you made complex guis in swing? |
07:06.38 | Hhhhh | without spending $1000+ in JBuilder enterprise? |
07:06.39 | levi | Not complex ones, no. |
07:06.51 | Hhhhh | ok, then try it first, and then tell me your opinion |
07:06.58 | Hhhhh | because they're extremely tedious |
07:07.02 | Hhhhh | and a pain |
07:07.06 | Hhhhh | VERY tedious |
07:07.24 | Hhhhh | can't compare to forms in C# |
07:07.28 | Hhhhh | by any means |
07:07.48 | Hhhhh | gtk is a lot easier and nicer than swing |
07:07.56 | levi | Okay, maybe making guis in swing /is/ bad. Most people are indeed probably using j2ee with Java and not swing. But there's a LOT of j2ee. |
07:08.10 | Hhhhh | I agree with that and I don't dispute it |
07:08.53 | Hhhhh | and I did say that most java programming nowadays is web stuff |
07:08.53 | levi | Frankly, I wouldn't be too sad to see Java die, or at least fade from popularity. |
07:09.10 | Hhhhh | that's what i'm saying it is happening |
07:09.19 | Hhhhh | C# took too big of a bite from java |
07:09.22 | levi | I don't think it's fading very quickly, though. |
07:09.39 | Hhhhh | i believe C# is already more used than java |
07:09.55 | Hhhhh | and in desktop stuff, C++ is by far more used than java |
07:09.58 | levi | Where do you get that idea? |
07:10.00 | Hhhhh | which are the claims I made |
07:10.12 | levi | Well, I agree C++ is used far more in desktop stuff. |
07:10.15 | Hhhhh | surfing the internet, looking at books available |
07:10.18 | Hhhhh | job offers, etc |
07:10.28 | Hhhhh | that is the first claim I made |
07:10.37 | Hhhhh | the second one, that java is dying, is also true |
07:10.54 | Hhhhh | it is in the process of being replaced by C# |
07:11.10 | Hhhhh | that process is not finished though |
07:11.20 | levi | dice.com lists about a 1/3 of the jobs for C# as it does for Java. |
07:12.09 | Hhhhh | well, include ASP.NET in the search, since you're including j2ee in the search as well |
07:12.18 | Hhhhh | pretty much all ASP.NET is done in C# |
07:12.22 | levi | I just searched 'Java' and 'C#' |
07:12.36 | Hhhhh | well, java includes j2ee and web stuff, C# might not |
07:12.46 | Hhhhh | so no wonder you get those results |
07:13.14 | levi | Well, including asp.net adds another 1000, so it's now 4000 to 10000. |
07:13.17 | Hhhhh | if you're gonna search in both desktop and web, then you need to include ASP.NET for C# to compensate for j2ee in java |
07:13.39 | Hhhhh | all right, there you see a process going on ;) |
07:14.34 | levi | Java and C# will both decline in the future, though C# will probably grow quite a bit first. Java will be around for a long time, though. |
07:14.49 | Hhhhh | I agree with that |
07:16.01 | levi | 'java is dying' kind of implies that it will go away sometime in the near future, and although I agree it will diminish in marketshare, I don't think it will diminish far enough to be considered 'gone away' in the near term. |
07:16.51 | tensai | don't forget, BSD is dying |
07:17.08 | Hhhhh | well, cobol is considered dead, and I know people looking for cobol developers |
07:17.56 | Hhhhh | if you see a decreasing trend in java's market share, you can see that it is dying |
07:17.57 | levi | Maintenance is not quite the same as new development. |
07:18.15 | Hhhhh | and recent business policies by Sun will ensure and accelerate that |
07:18.31 | levi | And decreasing market share is not quite the same as dying. |
07:19.06 | xbmodder | anything wrong with this apache config stanza: |
07:19.06 | xbmodder | NameVirtualHost tjrestaurants.com:80 |
07:19.07 | xbmodder | <VirtualHost tjrestaurants.com:80> |
07:19.07 | xbmodder | <PROTECTED> |
07:19.07 | xbmodder | <PROTECTED> |
07:19.07 | xbmodder | # ServerPath /var/web/thebrokenwargames.gotdns.com/tajay/ |
07:19.09 | xbmodder | <PROTECTED> |
07:19.11 | xbmodder | </VirtualHost> |
07:19.29 | levi | xbmodder: Yes, you just crapflooded the channel with it. |
07:19.58 | Hhhhh | ok, everybody do the finger attack to tjrestaurants.com |
07:20.10 | Hhhhh | j/k |
07:20.27 | xbmodder | I don't mind |
07:20.38 | xbmodder | its godaddy's site right now :) |
07:20.58 | xbmodder | but seriously what the hell is wrong with that? |
07:22.12 | xbmodder | [Fri Aug 19 00:21:55 2005] [warn] NameVirtualHost tjrestaurants.com:80 has no VirtualHosts |
07:22.35 | xbmodder | levi, anybody? |
07:24.21 | levi | I don't know what's wrong with it. |
07:53.57 | goozbach | use the ip |
07:56.11 | xbmodder | http://pastebin.com/340560 |
07:56.15 | xbmodder | no avail? |
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13:31.50 | sjansen | Yay! Sanity might be winning. SUSE might be switching to NetworkManager. |
13:32.14 | sjansen | Now if only we could get the distros to agree on a configuration tools... |
13:32.37 | sjansen | (Ubuntu has also been flirting with NetworkManager. Don't know about Debian.) |
13:35.05 | dataw0lf | Ubuntu isn't going to stick with NetworkManager, unfortunately. |
13:36.45 | sjansen | Oh? Do you know what the plan is? |
13:39.39 | emcnabb | sjansen, Fogo de Chao was very yummy last night |
13:39.49 | sjansen | ~beat emcnabb |
13:39.49 | ibot | ACTION beats emcnabb with a large stick. |
13:39.55 | sjansen | ~stab emcnabb |
13:39.55 | ibot | ACTION runs at emcnabb with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
13:39.58 | emcnabb | haha |
13:40.01 | sjansen | ~kill emcnabb |
13:40.01 | ibot | ACTION shoots a anti-graviton gun at emcnabb |
13:40.05 | sjansen | ~torture emcnabb |
13:40.10 | emcnabb | rofl |
13:40.13 | sjansen | ~destroy emcnabb |
13:40.14 | ibot | no |
13:40.19 | sjansen | yes!!! |
13:40.25 | emcnabb | ibot loves me! |
13:40.34 | sjansen | ~knife emcnabb |
13:40.49 | sjansen | ~lart emcnabb |
13:40.53 | sjansen | ~bzfrag emcnabb |
13:40.53 | ibot | ACTION blindsides emcnabb with an invisible bullet |
13:40.57 | sjansen | ~whaleslap emcnabb |
13:40.57 | ibot | ACTION slaps emcnabb upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
13:41.01 | sjansen | ~funkybomb emcnabb |
13:41.01 | ibot | ACTION blows away emcnabb in a psychedelic flash |
13:41.36 | dataw0lf | sjansen: they're trying to get a half decent solution out of SoC |
13:43.13 | sjansen | I kill you emcnabb! I kill you dead! |
13:43.26 | sjansen | And then I dance on your grave sprinkling farofa!!! |
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14:11.10 | sjansen | Jayce^: emcnabb ate at a churrascaria last night and rubbed it in this morning, would you please kickban him? |
14:14.48 | dataw0lf | I saw it!1! |
14:15.49 | emcnabb | so full... |
14:16.06 | emcnabb | it was worth the $58 though |
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14:24.15 | emcnabb | dang you Jayce^!!! |
14:26.36 | Jayce^ | :) |
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14:45.18 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
14:45.50 | sjansen | although I seem to remember requesting a kickban, not a simple kick... |
14:46.05 | dataw0lf | =] |
14:46.36 | sjansen | dataw0lf: wow, those are some pretty amazing cheek muscles you've got there :-P |
14:47.04 | dataw0lf | botox buddy |
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15:02.07 | sjansen | http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3301862 <-- Presented as an argument for why not to shop at WalMart. |
15:02.59 | dataw0lf | the culture that frequents WalMart is enough for me. |
15:02.59 | sjansen | Thinking like that really ticks me off. Don't like WalMart's employment and supplier relationship policies? Fine, don't shop there. |
15:03.27 | sjansen | Arguing that WalMart is evil because it hires stuipd people is, well, stupid. |
15:03.59 | sjansen | Might as well stop shopping anywhere else. In fact, stop interacting with humanity in general. There's alot of stupid people out there and you wouldn't want to accidentally support them either. |
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15:10.37 | jsmith | sjansen: Excellent point. |
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15:20.48 | sjansen | argh!!! |
15:21.33 | vontrapp | ~squeeze sjansen |
15:21.33 | ibot | ACTION squeezes the juice out of sjansen until there just ain't nothin left |
15:30.10 | Maquis | ~squeeze vontrapp |
15:30.10 | ibot | ACTION squeezes the juice out of vontrapp until there just ain't nothin left |
15:30.28 | sjansen | ~hug vontrapp and Maquis |
15:30.28 | ibot | ACTION hugs vontrapp and Maquis |
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15:37.13 | vontrapp | awww, gee |
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16:07.38 | vontrapp | is there a php function to strip enclosing quotes off the ends of a string, if existant? |
16:09.24 | Bradipo | I'm sure there must be a regex substitution function of some kind. |
16:10.44 | vontrapp | yeah, but a regex in php is not nearly beautiful like perl |
16:10.58 | vontrapp | it's a long named function call with parens and quotes and values and ahhh |
16:11.06 | levi | Dude, you're using php. You're just going to have to deal with ugliness. ;) |
16:11.10 | vontrapp | guess i'll just buck up and do it |
16:12.57 | Jayce^ | levi, that quote was worthy of sjansen! |
16:13.41 | levi | Ugliness is somewhat subjective, of course. |
16:15.50 | goozbach | unless you're sjansen, then it's a way of life :) |
16:25.17 | sjansen | http://www.windley.com/archives/2005/08/vacations_and_h.shtml |
16:25.30 | sjansen | now there's a good approach to vacations and email |
16:27.38 | vontrapp | that's awesome |
16:27.44 | vontrapp | excellent idea |
16:28.21 | bonez39 | how does one detach a file that has been attached, with 'a' in mutt? |
16:28.43 | bonez39 | found it...D |
16:29.56 | vontrapp | ~lart DST |
16:30.04 | Maquis | [sharmahd sharmahd] ssh erins@phantom.cs.byu.edu 1 |
16:30.07 | Maquis | Local: Bad packet length 1349676916. |
16:30.27 | Maquis | what the ***** does that mean/ |
16:31.16 | dataw0lf | Maquis: turn up the verbosity please? |
16:31.23 | sjansen | Maquis: either my vocabulary is too small, or you have one too many * in your last comment |
16:31.41 | Maquis | dataw0lf: taht's about as verbose as it gets |
16:31.51 | vontrapp | what the laser does that mean, dataw0lf |
16:31.51 | dataw0lf | Maquis: ssh 1 client connecting to ssh 2 server ? |
16:31.55 | Maquis | sjansen: sorry... my vocabulary is too small to know how many *s to add |
16:32.12 | Maquis | dataw0lf: i'm just trying to connect to 1 server |
16:32.26 | Maquis | oh...wait... that's what you meant by verbosity |
16:32.28 | dataw0lf | ssh version 1 client to ssh version 2 server |
16:32.41 | Maquis | hmmm... |
16:32.41 | vontrapp | Maquis: ssh -v bla blah |
16:32.42 | dataw0lf | you might have an older client in your path |
16:32.48 | dataw0lf | before a newer client |
16:32.52 | Maquis | dataw0lf: completely possible |
16:32.57 | Maquis | everything on rh7.2 is old |
16:33.12 | Maquis | ok... |
16:33.16 | Maquis | i found the other client... |
16:35.05 | sjansen | ssh -vvv is more verbose |
16:35.30 | Maquis | but i don't get ti |
16:35.40 | vontrapp | what about do? |
16:35.44 | vontrapp | or fa? |
16:36.09 | vontrapp | o/~ do, the stuff, that buys me beer o/~ |
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16:37.56 | decriptor_work | hey all |
16:38.14 | Jayce^ | liar, you don't actually _work |
16:38.30 | decriptor_work | lol |
16:38.36 | decriptor_work | I can fake it |
16:39.21 | decriptor_work | if I can learn perl then I can get a better job :) |
16:40.45 | decriptor_work | so you take a stab at me and run I see how it is |
16:40.52 | Jayce^ | yup |
16:41.10 | goozbach | sjansen: never... I was refering to the fact that you deal with TeX and XML on a daily basis |
16:42.59 | decriptor_work | man I really wish I could get copies of that perl meeting |
16:43.21 | decriptor_work | I can only remember a fraction of what he talked about |
16:48.03 | Jayce^ | so you're saying you tried to dd a 120gb drive onto a 10gb one? :) |
16:48.29 | Maquis | GRRRRR |
16:49.12 | vontrapp | naw, he was running off a live cd, and realized to late the only rw he had was a usb thumb drive |
16:49.31 | Maquis | bah |
16:49.57 | Maquis | if anybody sees anything from uug-list show up in your inbox, please let me know |
16:50.03 | Maquis | i tried to send something |
16:50.29 | sjansen | o/~ Hoy es un dia normal, pero yo voy hacerlo intenso. ~/o |
16:50.29 | sjansen | o/~ Hoy puede apagarse el sol, pero no la luz de mi alma. ~/o |
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16:50.36 | sjansen | http://www.nomorelyrics.net/song/154028.html |
16:50.46 | sjansen | o/~ Porque nunca sabes lo que quieres, hasta que lo pierdes. ~/o |
16:50.46 | sjansen | o/~ Lamentablemente nunca vuelve. ~/o |
16:51.29 | tensai | Maquis: not likely. Host uug.byu.edu not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
16:52.28 | colera | so i need suggestions for a file manager for *nix i think it's really the only thing i miss about windows |
16:52.44 | emcnabb | Jayce^, you kick me off for talking about good food, and you let sjansen crapflood like that? |
16:52.45 | sjansen | let go of Windows, use nautilus |
16:52.50 | tene | what's important to you for a file manager, colera? |
16:52.53 | Jayce^ | konq |
16:52.53 | emcnabb | kick sjansen!!! |
16:53.03 | colera | i like the list view in windows |
16:53.05 | Jayce^ | true, it was *gag* spanish.. |
16:53.07 | tensai | rxvt! |
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16:53.20 | colera | good drag drop etc |
16:53.24 | emcnabb | oh yeah!!! |
16:53.26 | vontrapp | vim!! |
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16:53.35 | Jayce^ | colera, konqueror |
16:53.40 | colera | and that everything opens in the same window |
16:53.50 | emcnabb | justice is served! |
16:53.58 | tene | colera: rox, nautilus, konqueror, evidence, xfe, gentoo |
16:54.01 | tene | check those out |
16:54.01 | sjansen | nautilus has a browse filesystem version if you want, but why? |
16:54.06 | tensai | konqueror does well, I use the quick browser most of the time though |
16:54.15 | colera | gentoo isn't a file manager : ) |
16:54.19 | tene | yes it is |
16:54.27 | tene | there is a file manager called 'gentoo' |
16:54.30 | colera | really? |
16:54.32 | colera | cool |
16:54.37 | sjansen | there's a name collision between the two projects |
16:54.37 | colera | i'll have to check it out |
16:54.38 | Maquis | tensai: i know that uug.byu.edu is not found |
16:54.39 | tene | no relation to the linux distribution |
16:54.43 | Maquis | that's what the email is announcing |
16:54.53 | Maquis | i'm telling people that the officers do know about the problem and are trying to fix it |
16:54.59 | Maquis | emcnabb: sup? |
16:55.39 | colera | is there a way to make nautilus launch everything in the same window? |
16:55.44 | sjansen | yup |
16:56.11 | vontrapp | --browser or something i think it was |
16:56.55 | tensai | Maquis: if the list is set up like it used to be, the return path is uug-list-bounces@phantom.byu.edu. since phantom.byu.edu doesn't resolve either, many mail servers are going to reject it. |
16:57.03 | sjansen | there's some "advanced tweaking" app you can install that has a checkbox for that, but really you just want to use gconf-editor |
16:57.03 | tensai | all of my mail servers would |
16:58.04 | colera | how do i change the icons displayed in nautilus? |
16:58.25 | colera | it's wierd the folders are being displayed as a piece of paper : ( |
16:58.40 | JoshH | the gnome icon theme |
16:59.21 | sjansen | colera: gconf-editor, apps>nautilus>preferences>{always_use_browser,default_folder_view} |
17:00.14 | tene | colera: you need to run, like, gnome-session or some such, I think |
17:00.15 | emcnabb | Maquis, nothing really |
17:00.37 | sjansen | nautilus is really intended to be used as a part of the entire gnome desktop, not by itself |
17:00.50 | Maquis | tensai: yeah... phantom.cs.byu.edu is theonly thing that resolves |
17:00.53 | Maquis | that's the problem right now |
17:00.54 | sjansen | ~warn emcnabb |
17:01.11 | Maquis | but phantom.cs.byu.edu doesn't accept much of anything from off-campus computers |
17:01.15 | colera | sjansen do you have a suggestion as to a file manager that is free standing? |
17:01.20 | Maquis | it won't return pings, and it won't accept telnet connections |
17:01.30 | tensai | Maquis: if you change the return path, it should probably work |
17:01.31 | tene | colera: I personally like evidence |
17:01.32 | emcnabb | I use nautilus every once in a while with fluxbox |
17:01.34 | emcnabb | alias nautilus='nautilus --no-desktop --sm-disable' |
17:01.38 | tene | colera: rox is quite nice too |
17:01.47 | Maquis | tensai: don't know how... |
17:01.58 | sjansen | emcnabb: the problem is that you still need to setup gnome themes, mime-mapping, etc. |
17:02.12 | colera | emcnabb: hey thanks for the --no-desktop i was wondering how to do that |
17:03.01 | emcnabb | sjansen, yeah, I know |
17:03.19 | emcnabb | I usually just use it if I want to look at a bunch of image thumbnails |
17:03.22 | emcnabb | colera, np |
17:03.30 | vontrapp | what is evidence? |
17:03.55 | tensai | ~dict evidence |
17:04.13 | tene | vontrapp: a file manager |
17:04.19 | RyanE | man, I must be old. When I started reading this, I was thinking I should suggest 'mc'. :) |
17:04.33 | sjansen | evidence is? |
17:04.39 | tene | file manager developed by people associated with the enlightenment project. |
17:04.43 | tene | sjansen: yeah |
17:04.44 | vontrapp | no package for it |
17:04.49 | tene | vontrapp: what distro? |
17:04.54 | vontrapp | debian/ubuntu |
17:04.55 | sjansen | evince is a document display program that integrates well with nautilus, right now it's mostly a pdf/ps viewer |
17:05.15 | tene | sjansen: it sure is. |
17:05.28 | sjansen | evince rocks the house |
17:05.32 | tene | Quite. |
17:05.38 | vontrapp | rox doesn't use the mailcap? |
17:05.40 | sjansen | sjansen is a genius |
17:06.14 | colera | i launched nautilus and it changed my desktop i ctrl-c'ed it now i am trying to find which process it started so i can kill it because my dektop is still swapped |
17:06.23 | tene | colera: 'killall nautilus' |
17:06.24 | vontrapp | rox is slicky fast |
17:06.27 | sjansen | pkill nautilus |
17:06.30 | tene | sjansen: maybe! |
17:06.32 | emcnabb | um, sjansen, you'll be waiting a while |
17:06.39 | Jayce^ | pkill sjansen |
17:06.50 | emcnabb | kick sjansen |
17:06.57 | colera | i tried killall naut* nothing |
17:06.58 | emcnabb | kickban sjansen |
17:07.17 | tene | colera: 'killall nautilus' |
17:07.31 | Jayce^ | and here I thought sjansen would lose his violent side after getting married |
17:07.34 | colera | no yeah that's what i did |
17:07.42 | Jayce^ | emcnabb :) |
17:07.54 | Jayce^ | like the other case will *ever* happen |
17:08.15 | colera | i just restarted fluxbox |
17:08.21 | colera | that did it |
17:09.00 | colera | hey all what distro? |
17:09.04 | colera | debain - sarge |
17:09.07 | tene | eh? |
17:09.10 | tene | what distro is what? |
17:09.23 | colera | what distro are you running? |
17:09.35 | vontrapp | ubuntu mixed with sarge (insane, i know) |
17:09.39 | emcnabb | sjansen got married? |
17:09.54 | vontrapp | and mixed with some unstable, too |
17:09.54 | emcnabb | I knew he shouldn't have taught that class in Vegas! |
17:10.25 | colera | vontrapp: lol, you installed ubuntu then installed sarge packages? or the other way around? |
17:10.43 | vontrapp | ubuntu, then sarge/unstable packages |
17:10.47 | vontrapp | only a few |
17:10.52 | colera | like? |
17:10.57 | vontrapp | pretty much only what i need for the latest alsa |
17:11.00 | colera | xfce4.2? |
17:11.03 | xbmodder | http://pastebin.com/340931 < any ideas whats wrong with that? |
17:11.09 | vontrapp | no xfce |
17:11.14 | colera | i wish that wasn't marked unstable ^ |
17:11.39 | vontrapp | colera: and occasional packages that ubuntu just doesn't have |
17:11.46 | colera | i really like xfce but i have been using fluxbox, i really like it |
17:12.06 | RyanE | combining the conversations, *sjansen married* would definitely be marked unstable. |
17:12.11 | colera | lol |
17:12.24 | vontrapp | xbmodder: not allowed to relay |
17:12.54 | emcnabb | RyanE, rofl |
17:12.59 | vontrapp | RyanE: :) |
17:13.29 | colera | xbmodder: you excited for x-box 360? |
17:13.40 | emcnabb | xbmodder, are you going to mod it? |
17:13.51 | vontrapp | xbmodder: don't let it mod you |
17:13.58 | emcnabb | you'll need a new handle: xb360modder |
17:13.59 | colera | vontrapp: lol |
17:14.19 | emcnabb | or xbmodder360 |
17:14.28 | emcnabb | I kind of like the latter |
17:15.04 | vontrapp | xb360with_a_double_twist_half_pike_modder |
17:15.07 | xbmodder | lol |
17:15.33 | vontrapp | s/twist/flip/ |
17:15.37 | xbmodder | xb360modder |
17:15.38 | xbmodder | :-/ |
17:15.52 | xbmodder | xbmodder360 :) |
17:15.56 | emcnabb | or something more general like xbmodderhacker360 |
17:16.05 | emcnabb | or something more general like xbmodderhacker360.com |
17:16.05 | sjansen | thank goodness for tab completion |
17:16.12 | xbmodder | thats like a double wammy |
17:16.12 | emcnabb | or something more general like xbmodderhacker360.com.trig.dll |
17:16.22 | xbmodder | haha |
17:16.44 | xbmodder | though microsoft might get its lawyers out on me |
17:16.52 | xbmodder | suprised they have not already |
17:16.53 | emcnabb | fight the system |
17:17.14 | emcnabb | you better watch out, they know where sleep |
17:17.16 | sjansen_com_trig | bah |
17:17.21 | xbmodder | lol |
17:18.55 | xbmodder360 | I don't know if I'd eat quesadillas made by someone with the nick of colera |
17:19.23 | colera | emcnabb: i didn't invite you |
17:19.26 | colera | emcnabb: i didn't invite you: |
17:19.29 | colera | lol |
17:19.30 | colera | sorry |
17:19.35 | emcnabb | haha |
17:19.37 | colera | didn't mean to post twice |
17:19.55 | sjansen | kick colera for double posting!!! |
17:20.15 | xbmodder | Intestinal acute bacterial infection characterized by a severe watery diarrea that produces a great dehydration and loss of minerals. < I really don't want that. |
17:20.30 | colera | xbmodder: actually that is cholera |
17:20.31 | emcnabb | sjansen gets colera |
17:20.50 | xbmodder | couldn't you have come up with a nice name like happy-pie? |
17:20.51 | emcnabb | yum |
17:21.00 | emcnabb | or xbmodder360? |
17:21.07 | xbmodder | lol |
17:21.42 | emcnabb | nothing shows your hacker spirit than with a nick like xbmodder360 |
17:22.05 | sjansen | hacker? |
17:22.18 | emcnabb | oh yeah, hacker |
17:22.32 | rms | now this is a hacker's nick |
17:22.46 | emcnabb | no, rms360 is a hacker's nick |
17:22.53 | emcnabb_poser | poser |
17:23.18 | colera | why does my floor get stickier when i clean it? |
17:23.19 | colera | lol |
17:23.41 | Jayce^ | coke really isn't that good of a cleaner man |
17:23.45 | colera | kitchens are eternally dirty |
17:24.08 | vontrapp | quesadillas don't make very good mops, either |
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17:27.02 | xbmodder | !nick-o-meter xbmodder360 |
17:27.02 | mhartebot | xbmodder: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "xbmodder360" is 40.7%. |
17:27.07 | xbmodder | wow. |
17:27.10 | xbmodder | !nick-o-meter emcnabb |
17:27.11 | mhartebot | xbmodder: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "emcnabb" is 0.0%. |
17:27.15 | Maquis | !nick-o-meter maquis |
17:27.16 | mhartebot | Maquis: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "maquis" is 0.0%. |
17:27.18 | Maquis | haha |
17:27.19 | vontrapp | !nick-o-meter vontrapp |
17:27.20 | mhartebot | vontrapp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "vontrapp" is 0.0%. |
17:27.27 | vontrapp | ~nickometer vontrapp |
17:27.31 | tene | !nick-o-meter tene |
17:27.32 | mhartebot | tene: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "tene" is 0.0%. |
17:27.53 | colera | !nick-o-meter colera |
17:27.54 | mhartebot | colera: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "colera" is 0.0%. |
17:27.58 | colera | nice |
17:27.59 | Maquis | !nick-o-meter 1337|-|4(|<3|2 |
17:27.59 | mhartebot | Maquis: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "1337|-|4(|<3|2" is 99.95%. |
17:28.07 | xbmodder | !nick-o-meter bzob_ |
17:28.09 | mhartebot | xbmodder: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "bzob_" is 0.0%. |
17:28.56 | vontrapp | ~nickometer xbmodder360 |
17:28.59 | xbmodder | !lart Maquis |
17:29.38 | xbmodder | !lart Maquis 2 |
17:29.40 | vontrapp | ibot has more significant digits, but less accuracy |
17:29.47 | xbmodder | !lart Maquis 1 |
17:31.02 | co13r4 | !nick-o-meter co13r4 |
17:31.03 | mhartebot | co13r4: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "co13r4" is 86.4%. |
17:31.06 | spr | ~nick-o-meter spr |
17:31.06 | co13r4 | nice |
17:31.15 | spr | ~nickometer spr |
17:31.22 | xbmodder | ~nick-o-meter ChanServ |
17:31.30 | xbmodder | !nick-o-meter ChanServ |
17:31.32 | mhartebot | xbmodder: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "ChanServ" is 0.0%. |
17:31.47 | co13r4 | !nick-o-meter mhartebot |
17:31.48 | mhartebot | co13r4: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "mhartebot" is 0.0%. |
17:31.50 | sjansen | ~nickometer 13373^ |
17:31.55 | co13r4 | of course it is |
17:31.56 | tene | ~nick-o-meter |\/|/-\O,|_|15 |
17:31.58 | co13r4 | lol |
17:32.04 | sjansen | what?! I was robbed! |
17:32.45 | sjansen | ~nickometer |_33+3|^ |
17:33.01 | co13r4 | !nick-o-meter lame |
17:33.02 | mhartebot | co13r4: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "lame" is 61.6%. |
17:33.09 | co13r4 | should be 100 |
17:33.15 | sjansen | !nick-o-meter |_33+3|^ |
17:33.17 | mhartebot | sjansen: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "|_33+3|^" is 99.8%. |
17:33.55 | sjansen | !nick-o-meter |_ |
17:33.55 | mhartebot | sjansen: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "|_" is 14.4%. |
17:34.01 | sjansen | !nick-o-meter | |
17:34.03 | mhartebot | sjansen: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "|" is 14.4%. |
17:34.06 | xbmodder | !leet Maquis |
17:34.07 | tene | !nick-o-meter 1337 |
17:34.08 | mhartebot | xbmodder: M4qu!z |
17:34.09 | mhartebot | tene: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "1337" is 95.0%. |
17:34.18 | xbmodder | !super-1337 Maquis |
17:34.19 | sjansen | thanks lame, it ranks invalid nicks |
17:34.19 | mhartebot | xbmodder: Error: "super-1337" is not a valid command. |
17:35.09 | co13r4 | i am going to stick with my new nick : ) 84 % is way better than 0 |
17:36.41 | xbmodder | !leet colera |
17:36.43 | mhartebot | xbmodder: c013r4 |
17:37.26 | sjansen | ~nickometer Ι_|Ξ|ΞϮ5τϒεετ |
17:37.35 | sjansen | yay! |
17:37.49 | sjansen | !nick-o-meter Ι_|Ξ|ΞϮ5τϒεετ |
17:37.50 | mhartebot | sjansen: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "Ι_|Ξ|ΞϮ5τϒεετ" is 99.994%. |
17:37.57 | sjansen | I win! |
17:38.07 | xbmodder | damn |
17:38.17 | xbmodder | !nick-o-meter ! |
17:38.17 | mhartebot | xbmodder: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "!" is 14.4%. |
17:38.21 | xbmodder | !nick-o-meter !!!!! |
17:38.22 | mhartebot | xbmodder: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "!!!!!" is 99.93%. |
17:38.24 | xbmodder | !nick-o-meter !!!!!! |
17:38.26 | mhartebot | xbmodder: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "!!!!!!" is 99.96%. |
17:38.29 | xbmodder | !nick-o-meter !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
17:38.30 | mhartebot | xbmodder: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" is 99.994%. |
17:38.33 | xbmodder | lol |
17:38.36 | xbmodder | i win/ |
17:38.39 | xbmodder | !nick-o-meter !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
17:38.41 | mhartebot | xbmodder: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" is 99.995%. |
17:38.50 | xbmodder | yay i win! |
17:38.58 | xbmodder | !nick-o-meter !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
17:38.59 | mhartebot | xbmodder: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" is 99.996%. |
17:39.02 | sjansen | !nick-o-meter Ι_|Ξ|ΞϮ5τϒεετ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
17:39.03 | mhartebot | sjansen: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "Ι_|Ξ|ΞϮ5τϒεετ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1" is 99.996%. |
17:39.10 | xbmodder | !nick-o-meter !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
17:39.11 | vontrapp | !nick-o-meter វន់ត្រាផ់ |
17:39.11 | mhartebot | xbmodder: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1" is 99.996%. |
17:39.13 | mhartebot | vontrapp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "វន់ត្រាផ់" is 99.995%. |
17:39.13 | co13r4 | we are too easily amused |
17:39.26 | xbmodder | yes we are |
17:39.28 | co13r4 | if our parents could see us now. soo proud |
17:40.13 | co13r4 | anyone got suspend to work in linux for a laptop? |
17:40.47 | spr | colera, which suspend? to-disk? |
17:40.50 | colera | yeha |
17:40.54 | spr | I have swsusp2 running quite nicely |
17:40.57 | colera | like hibernate in window |
17:41.03 | colera | spr ? |
17:41.12 | vontrapp | spr: that takes kernel modules, right? |
17:41.16 | spr | software suspend 2 (hibernate) |
17:41.30 | spr | vontrapp, takes kernel patching (but I hear it'll be in 2.6.14) |
17:42.04 | colera | : P |
17:42.14 | sjansen | so get to work writing the code |
17:42.15 | spr | work's like a charm, all I did was follow the instructions, patch my kernel, edit a conf file, and it was working |
17:42.24 | sjansen | if you try hard, you might be able to finish be tonight |
17:42.32 | sjansen | then again... you might not |
17:42.38 | spr | colera, suspend2.net |
17:43.47 | colera | lol |
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17:44.28 | spr | sjansen, here's all I did: cd <kernel-src-dir>; <path-to-swsusp2>/apply; make menuconfig; vim /etc/hibernate/hibernate.conf; /usr/local/sbin/hibernate |
17:44.44 | colera | correction till he |
17:44.53 | spr | after installing the hibernate script and downloading the source. |
17:45.00 | spr | oh so terribly hard. |
17:45.21 | vontrapp | what about after i have a new kernel and my nvidia breaks? |
17:45.42 | bucky | vontrapp, are you helping hans move today? |
17:45.58 | vontrapp | kinda |
17:46.02 | sjansen | ~break vontrapp's nvidia drivers |
17:46.07 | vontrapp | i'm leaving with them when they're done packing the truck |
17:46.22 | sjansen | so you're helping to drive? |
17:46.33 | vontrapp | yeah |
17:46.46 | colera | spr: i need practice rebuidling my kernel i have only done it once so maybe i will do that |
17:46.48 | vontrapp | and i did load the piano this morning |
17:47.12 | bucky | vontrapp, so are you sure you want to take the back way or just drive down there like everyone else thru Cortez |
17:47.16 | vontrapp | bucky: know a kathie or karen patterson? |
17:47.17 | sjansen | but don't tell hans, 'cuase he thinks it was stolen |
17:47.47 | bucky | vontrapp, no |
17:47.57 | vontrapp | they're from blanding |
17:48.07 | vontrapp | karen is who i'm picking up the book for |
17:48.14 | vontrapp | btw, is that like lots of volumes? |
17:48.38 | bucky | vontrapp, my mom is still trying to get it from the library.. she's working on it |
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17:48.54 | vontrapp | ok |
17:49.15 | vontrapp | why take it from the library? |
17:49.16 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: can you recommend a couple of good Python books? |
17:49.25 | bucky | vontrapp, my mom was in the hospital for a week last week |
17:49.49 | bucky | vontrapp, there are no blind people here.. and my friend donated the books |
17:50.30 | bucky | my friend John Stroebel the vista worker |
17:50.51 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: diveintopython.org |
17:50.54 | colera | okay i need help |
17:50.56 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: byteofpython.info |
17:51.09 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: and then the Python 2.4 documentation |
17:51.25 | vontrapp | ricky-ticky-tavy |
17:51.26 | colera | i have a printserver on my network and i need to connect to it through linux |
17:51.27 | sjansen | bah, not deposited yet |
17:51.36 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: I also highly recommend ipython as an alternate interactive python interpreter |
17:51.39 | sjansen | seeing that number go up instead of down makes me so happy too... |
17:51.40 | vontrapp | in case you want to fight the python |
17:51.42 | colera | it has a SMB name |
17:51.58 | colera | what packages do i need? |
17:52.38 | vontrapp | gnome-cups-manager is good |
17:53.06 | colera | so i needs cups right? |
17:53.07 | colera | lol |
17:53.29 | bucky | smbclient ? |
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17:56.12 | colera | okay after installing cups and smbclient what do i need to do? |
17:57.40 | bucky | check /usr/share/doc/smbclient for any docs |
17:57.54 | RyanE | has anyone seen where the DOM Inspector in Firefox (Windows) does not work? I try it on all sites, get no 'DOM Nodes'. |
17:58.33 | sjansen | reload the page |
17:58.44 | sjansen | the dom inspector needs to see the page being loaded |
17:59.46 | RyanE | I've reloaded the page, restarted firefox. |
17:59.48 | RyanE | nada |
18:03.52 | bucky | i've got good news... IBM is donating all it's dhtml code over to FF |
18:16.23 | Maquis | sjansen: it's payday? you must have a weird payday schedule |
18:17.06 | sjansen | I don't know, by-weekly-friday's seems pretty common. |
18:17.32 | sjansen | And, bi-weekly-friday's seems even more common. |
18:18.17 | spr | byu's a bi-weekly-friday |
18:19.23 | xbmodder | any ideas why qmail is not relaying? |
18:23.37 | sjansen | I'm starting to think it'd be a good idea to comment my new sig. Any ideas? |
18:23.46 | sjansen | Stuart Jansen e-mail/jabber: sjansen@buscaluz.org |
18:23.46 | sjansen | :0 |
18:23.46 | sjansen | * ^From:.*sjansen@ |
18:23.46 | sjansen | */dev/null |
18:26.43 | bucky | vontrapp, i just got the books |
18:28.33 | bucky | ~seen Bradipo |
18:28.34 | ibot | bradipo is currently on #utah (15h 8m 58s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 2h 19m 10s |
18:28.40 | sjansen | decriptor_work just quit his job?! |
18:29.02 | Jayce^ | nah, just quit working, it's friday after all |
18:29.07 | Jayce^ | surprised he made it that long |
18:29.33 | sjansen | but, but |
18:29.53 | sjansen | [12:23] <-- decriptor_work has quit () |
18:30.04 | Jayce^ | you're just jealous |
18:30.11 | sjansen | yeah, probably |
18:31.47 | vontrapp | bucky: ok, we'll be calling you then |
18:31.56 | bucky | Bible Stories for Young Latter-Day Saints Vol. I, Vol. II and Vol. III |
18:32.03 | bucky | you want them? |
18:32.51 | bucky | vontrapp, BTW i'm glad you'll be calling me because you can get something out of me |
18:35.21 | bucky | where does [kathie | karen] patterson live ? |
18:35.52 | vontrapp | kathie is still in blanding, her daughter karen is here in provo |
18:36.45 | vontrapp | we may have called anyway ;) |
18:38.49 | bucky | vontrapp, so Karen is blind? |
18:40.36 | bucky | BTW.. you've got about a one hour window to get on the road if you want to set up camp in daylight |
18:42.28 | tene | this code refers to tables that don't exist. |
18:42.31 | tene | :/ |
18:42.37 | vontrapp | she's moslty blind |
18:42.42 | Maquis | asdf |
18:43.02 | vontrapp | bucky: we're leaving pretty soon here |
18:43.04 | bucky | vontrapp, well.. i hope she'll enjoy this.. they're really nice |
18:45.46 | sjansen | :0 # copy & paste for your convenience |
18:45.46 | sjansen | * ^From:.*sjansen@ |
18:45.46 | sjansen | /dev/null # /ignore sjansen!*@* |
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18:46.30 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
18:47.04 | Jayce^ | sjansen, dont' forget to add an /ingore sjansen |
18:47.09 | Jayce^ | bah, /ignore |
18:47.17 | Jayce^ | need to go home :) |
18:47.29 | sjansen | Jayce^: me points at the new comments |
18:47.36 | bucky | vontrapp, my mom remembers Karen.. she wants her to have these books |
18:50.17 | goozbach | funky USB keyboards |
18:50.25 | goozbach | some freaking network issue |
18:50.39 | goozbach | a FREAKING LOUD switch fan right by my ear |
18:52.16 | sjansen | ha ha |
18:52.33 | goozbach | there ya go stuart |
18:52.40 | goozbach | reply away |
18:53.14 | vontrapp | away i go... |
18:53.51 | goozbach | sorry I didn't change my email address, it got rejected |
18:53.54 | goozbach | but I re-sent |
18:54.50 | goozbach | but that's what happens when you're hyped up on cough syrup |
18:54.57 | goozbach | ummmm cough syrup |
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18:56.01 | colera | anyone know how to connect to a windows shared printer over a network on a linux box? |
18:56.39 | goozbach | yup |
18:56.47 | goozbach | use samba |
18:56.50 | goozbach | and cups |
18:56.51 | colera | goozbach: could you help me out? |
18:57.13 | colera | yeah, how though? do you know a good site? |
18:57.20 | goozbach | I've only ever done it with system-config-printer on a RH box |
18:57.36 | sjansen | which works very nicely |
18:57.37 | goozbach | I'm not quite sure the syntax of the printers.conf |
18:57.38 | colera | yeah, love config utils : ) |
18:58.08 | colera | man cupsd isn't all that helpful : ( |
18:58.22 | tensai | the cups web admin will walk you through it |
18:58.32 | tensai | I usually use the kde cups config tool though |
18:58.38 | goozbach | the cups web interface may be able to help as well |
18:58.47 | colera | where is that? |
18:58.58 | tensai | localhost:631 |
18:59.13 | sjansen | just login as root |
18:59.24 | sjansen | and disable it when you're done |
18:59.53 | colera | oh that's cool i didn't know that existed cool |
19:00.40 | tensai | the syntax for the url is smb://[username:password@][workgroup/]server[:port]/printer |
19:01.08 | colera | w00t i like this web interface, great idea |
19:01.39 | colera | what if there is no user name or password? |
19:03.10 | sjansen | *sigh* |
19:03.29 | tensai | colera: leave it off. that's what the [] means. they're optional. |
19:03.36 | sjansen | Installing kernel upgrades beside the previous is so logic. Why don't Ubuntu and SUSE do it? |
19:05.10 | goozbach | eek! |
19:05.40 | colera | is there a way to browse the samba network? i could do it in ubuntu but how do i do it with just samba and none of those fancy gui apps |
19:05.43 | colera | ? |
19:06.36 | sjansen | smbclient/smbtree/nmblookup |
19:08.06 | colera | so i can just type smbtree into command line? |
19:08.22 | sjansen | man smbtree |
19:10.14 | colera | it asks me for a password i guess i set that with -U? |
19:10.48 | colera | cause my root password isn't working nor the password for my user |
19:11.24 | sjansen | depending on how your configured samba, none of your system accounts will work |
19:12.13 | colera | hmm okay, i guess i need to find my smb password file ? |
19:12.30 | tene | colera: it's a username and password to identify yourself to the other systems on the network with |
19:12.40 | sjansen | smbtree -N will browse as guest |
19:14.56 | colera | tene: where do i set that? |
19:17.00 | tene | err |
19:17.09 | tene | man smbtree |
19:17.41 | goozbach | http://www.bullshitjob.com/titles.html |
19:18.00 | sjansen | Hoy puede apagarse el sol pero no la luz de mi alma |
19:18.00 | sjansen | En un día como hoy caminaré más despacio |
19:18.00 | sjansen | En un día como hoy defenderé mi verdad |
19:18.00 | sjansen | En un día como hoy te amarraré con mis brazos |
19:18.00 | sjansen | En un día como hoy |
19:20.31 | Jayce^ | goozbach, the sad thing is that came out on a click with a title that was almost exactly the same as mine :) |
19:22.11 | goozbach | Jayce^: in other words "your job is bullshit" |
19:22.27 | Jayce^ | :) |
19:22.30 | neybar_work | goozbach, that sums up his job pretty well :p |
19:22.51 | Jayce^ | Sr. Billing Operations Engineer |
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19:29.14 | jsmith | sjansen: What you listening to? |
19:29.43 | sjansen | not listening, but have a juanes song (un dia normal) stuck in my head |
19:29.47 | bucky | vonnzie and hannzie |
19:30.11 | jsmith | sjansen: That's ok -- I've got La Oreja de Van Gogh songs stuck in my head... |
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19:30.35 | bucky | jsmith, cut your ear off.. that will make it go away |
19:30.58 | jsmith | bucky: That didn't work for Van Gogh, now did it. |
19:31.37 | bucky | the jury is still out on that one... maybe not because he still did great art work afterward.. something about the tortured genius |
19:33.34 | jsmith | bucky: That's it -- my new band will be called Tortured Genius! |
19:33.46 | bucky | excellent |
19:34.09 | bucky | i get a royalty and residuals |
19:35.04 | dataw0lf | I'll take a couple groupies, plz. |
19:36.04 | bucky | Tortured Genius groupies... there are a lot of those around |
19:37.20 | bucky | jsmith, think about it... that creative well spring drys up when you get into therapy.. look at Alanis Morrisette |
19:37.56 | bucky | if you're not disturbed... you don't have anything worth saying |
19:40.39 | jsmith | bucky: Yeah... well, I see Alanis Morrisette as being a lot like Elivs... You had the young, skinny Elvis, and then you had the old fat Elvis. |
19:40.52 | jsmith | bucky: With Alanis, you have the young bitter Alanis, and the old happy Alanis. |
19:41.33 | bucky | i'll go along with that |
19:41.41 | goozbach | http://www.local6.com/news/4861458/detail.html |
19:42.41 | bucky | Investigators said the man was on his stomach when he entered the restaurant |
19:42.46 | bucky | spider man |
19:43.40 | bucky | Elvis didn't get into therapy... he just became a drug addict... "Cilla, bring me the barbituates" |
19:47.45 | colera | hmm adding windows network printer with cups proving difficult |
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20:03.31 | goozbach | http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/96/open_boss.html |
20:04.28 | bonez39 | colera: let me know if you figure that out... |
20:04.54 | bonez39 | colera: I have two pc's...the linux box prints fine to my windows networked laser jet, but won't print to my locally attached deskjet printer |
20:06.09 | tene | bonez39: what kind of deskjet? |
20:07.24 | bucky | colera, which distro ? |
20:09.06 | bucky | http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html |
20:11.56 | goozbach | who's scrany-looking? |
20:12.21 | levi | "Who're you calling scruffy looking?!" |
20:13.38 | bucky | goozbach, Is Your Boss a Psychopath? |
20:14.23 | bucky | vontrapp, you guys on the road yet... looks like rain down here |
20:18.45 | Maquis | Newsome: stuporglue asked me if he should just assume that we're permanently going to be located at phantom.cs.byu.edu instead of uug.byu.edu or phantom.byu.edu |
20:18.48 | Maquis | i told him i'ad ask you |
20:19.17 | Maquis | do we know why your changes haven't been sticking? |
20:19.23 | tene | http://osx.portraitofakite.com/ |
20:25.49 | Newsome | no idea |
20:26.11 | Newsome | they're definitely not sticking, though, and it's not just uug/phantom |
20:32.18 | bucky | vontrapp, you around? |
20:39.13 | bonez39 | tene: deskjet 550c... |
20:39.42 | bonez39 | it has worked well with this setup, but something changed and now I can't print to it, either natively from linux or from my win4lin virtual windows machine on the linux box.. |
20:45.55 | tene | bonez39: produced by who? |
20:45.55 | tene | HP, etc. |
20:49.00 | Maquis | i think it's probably hp |
20:49.56 | tene | investigate hpoj |
20:50.32 | goozbach | hooray! I get to chill out till 6:45 tonight |
20:50.44 | goozbach | maybe I'll go eat or something |
20:50.46 | Maquis | goozbach: fun |
20:52.05 | jsmith | goozbach: Food is so overrated. |
20:52.50 | goozbach | jsmith has never had an expense acount I take it... |
20:52.55 | goozbach | :D |
20:53.46 | jsmith | goozbach: Yes, I have. And I'm on the road a ton, like you. But there are only so many places you can eat. |
20:54.29 | jsmith | goozbach: Don't get me wrong, I like food. It just gets old after a while. Most of the time I just crave home-cooking now... |
20:54.31 | goozbach | ever been to downtown SF? |
20:54.49 | goozbach | if you've run out of places to eat there, I'm impressed |
20:54.54 | mheath | hahah |
20:56.32 | jsmith | goozbach: Eaten at Palamino yet? It's nice... |
20:57.18 | jsmith | goozbach: http://local.google.com/local?q=Palomino&hl=en&lr=&sa=G&near=San+Francisco,+CA&rl=1&sc=1&radius=0&latlng=37775000,-122418333,3082325028518677862 |
20:57.25 | mheath | actually I agree with jsmith right now. Food is overrated....but I think thats primarily the fact that I'm a bit sick right now, and haven't had much of an appetite for the past few days. |
20:58.52 | jsmith | There's only so many times you can eat at Cheesecake Factory, III Forks, etc. before you just get sick of it. |
20:59.54 | goozbach | broaden your horisons |
21:00.00 | mheath | jsmith: start eating at small places |
21:00.03 | colera | bonez39: how did you set up the to print to the windows networked laserjet?? |
21:00.08 | colera | bucky: debian |
21:00.10 | goozbach | there's many a hole-in-the-wall places that are awesome |
21:00.13 | mheath | just little out-of-the-way places |
21:00.19 | goozbach | and it's an adventrue finding them |
21:00.24 | bucky | colera, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html |
21:00.41 | mheath | Like, when I was in California, we were lost in the middle of Oxnard trying to find the freeway... |
21:00.46 | jsmith | goozbach: I'm one who *loves* trying new restaurants and new kinds of food -- but right now I'm just sick of restaurants in general. |
21:01.03 | colera | bucky: i'm there |
21:01.08 | mheath | and we just stopped at this little place, Henri's Cafe, for breakfast, and I had one of the best and most unique breakfasts of my life |
21:01.44 | bucky | colera, what part of the world are you in? |
21:01.52 | colera | utah right now |
21:01.57 | colera | why? |
21:02.11 | bucky | your ip addy is not familiar |
21:02.23 | colera | it's iprovo |
21:03.04 | bucky | colera, are you a school teacher? |
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21:03.49 | colera | lol, no why>? |
21:03.58 | mheath | bucky: "iProvo Telecom Project" |
21:04.31 | bucky | mheath, Provo School District PROVO-EDU (NET-158-91-0-0-1) |
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21:05.05 | mheath | bucky: I get both that and "iProvo Telecom Project PSD-IPROVO (NET-158-91-192-0-1)" |
21:05.25 | bucky | it's interesting when you find out who owns what around here |
21:06.17 | colera | it was probably the pSD node before they extended to residential clients |
21:06.27 | colera | and didn't want to change all the names |
21:06.53 | mheath | bucky: apparently the Provo School District offers internet service? |
21:07.11 | colera | iprovo is owned by the city |
21:07.53 | mheath | colera: oh, they probably just borrowed the IPs from Provo School District |
21:08.30 | mheath | colera: your IP is in a range that a whois search says is part of the Provo School District, but also part of a the iProvo Telecom Project, incase your wondering =P |
21:10.14 | bucky | colera, do what that how-to says.. apt-get those packages, lpadmin using InkJet instead of Laser if that's the case, if it's an HP apt-get hpijs, use the rest of the doc |
21:10.26 | Bradipo | xbmodder: Get your qmail problem solved? |
21:20.20 | levi | tene: That FlyakiteOSX thing is crazy. |
21:21.08 | JoshH | i just saw someone using that on my lunch hour |
21:21.32 | JoshH | imo its kinda pointless to make xp look like osx though. |
21:23.07 | levi | JoshH: I didn't realize there was actually some desktop software involved, I was just impressed by the crazy javascript on the web page. |
21:23.49 | JoshH | i havent seen their page, but my friend was using it on his windows laptop. it looks exactly like osx, but it just doesn't seem right without a terminal or anything |
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21:32.57 | Maquis | TimRiker: close the door |
21:33.25 | Maquis | and stop tracking in mud from outside |
21:51.15 | tensai | mheath: if it's been reassigned then iProvo now owns that block, as opposed to just borrowing. |
21:51.31 | tensai | most likely PSD had more addresses than they needed and iProvo was able to convince them to part with a few. easier than getting them from ARIN. |
21:52.20 | mheath | tensai: no, ARIN knows of it |
21:52.46 | tensai | mheath: yes, but iProvo didn't have to get them directly from ARIN |
21:53.15 | tensai | and therefore didn't have to prove it needed them, etc. just had to get PSD to part with a few and fill out the paper work |
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22:07.56 | bucky | ~seen vontrapp |
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22:25.34 | tensai | cool. quake3 arena source code was GPL'd |
22:26.19 | colera | really? |
22:26.33 | tensai | http://www.linuxgames.com/news/feedback.php?identiferID=7750&action=flatview |
22:27.11 | colera | i woder if i even have the right ati drivers to support opengl |
22:27.35 | mheath | colera: opengl is really the only accelerated graphics method in Linux |
22:27.54 | mheath | If you have accelerated graphics drivers in Linux, you have OpenGL support |
22:27.54 | mrpull | Q3 disappointed me. |
22:28.03 | colera | yeah but i wonder if i even have good ati drivers or if they are like generic or something |
22:28.05 | mrpull | iD is cool for GPL'ing old code tho |
22:28.52 | tensai | q3 wasn't a spectacularly innovative game, but I played it a lot. well worth my $50 6 years ago. |
22:28.59 | mrpull | Id / ID / id / iD ??? |
22:29.11 | tensai | I would still be playing it if my video card hadn't died :( |
22:29.20 | mrpull | i played quake 2 till my hands hurt |
22:29.30 | mrpull | Q3 got boring quickly. maybe I just got old. |
22:29.32 | mheath | colera: ATI has their own drivers for new Radeon cards in Linux. They work well, for the most part, but have some cross-distro support problems (You'll have the easiest time with them on some redhat-ish RPM-based distro, I think) |
22:29.35 | tensai | "id Software", I believe |
22:29.44 | mrpull | tensai: I think you are right |
22:29.47 | mheath | colera: for older Radeons and other cards, the DRI project produces outstanding drivers. |
22:29.59 | mheath | Which are now integrated into the latest versions of X.Org |
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22:31.36 | colera | mheath: where can i get them? |
22:31.42 | colera | do they have debian packages? |
22:32.21 | mheath | colera: I have no experience with Debian, and can't comment. I'd imagine that, as long as Debian's X.org packages are up to date, it would be included with the X.org package (or part of an optionl addon package) and you'd just have to change the drive in the xorg.conf |
22:32.31 | mheath | *driver |
22:32.45 | mheath | colera: your speaking of the DRI driver, right? |
22:33.01 | colera | yeah |
22:33.03 | tensai | has debian even released x.org yet? |
22:33.52 | colera | no |
22:34.05 | colera | debian is like an old man |
22:34.10 | colera | it might be in unstable |
22:34.14 | levi | x.org is in unstable, yes. |
22:34.21 | tensai | that's what I meant |
22:34.23 | mheath | ugh |
22:34.25 | levi | I'm running it now. |
22:34.33 | mheath | XFree86 is still the default in Debian? |
22:34.37 | colera | lol |
22:34.37 | colera | yeah |
22:35.00 | mheath | Whether or not you were concerned by the whole licensing issue, XFree86 is just crumbling, old, and horrible compared to X.org now |
22:35.16 | mheath | Do they even have any serious active maintainers? |
22:35.18 | colera | crumbling no |
22:35.27 | mheath | X.orgs almost the exact same thing, but leaps and bounds ahead of them |
22:35.38 | colera | old, yes, horrible, maybe |
22:35.44 | mheath | colera: I mean the project is crumbling |
22:35.57 | tensai | yeah, you could say branden robinson is active. he's the debian project leader after all. |
22:36.54 | bucky | i hate linux |
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22:38.10 | mheath | I always wondered why Debian GNU/Hurd used Xfree86 despite the fact that its licensing isn't GPL compliant |
22:38.43 | bucky | that's why it's migrating to x.org |
22:39.06 | mheath | bucky: read my statement carefully =P |
22:39.11 | bucky | i'm trying to think of the other x |
22:39.29 | bucky | oh... that's right CLI |
22:40.35 | bucky | that's ok.. we're all going to the HURD kernel after all the lawsuits |
22:41.01 | mheath | bucky: HURD isn't a kernel |
22:41.20 | mheath | bucky: GNU Mach is the GNU projects kernel (well, microkernel) |
22:41.49 | mheath | L4-Pistachio is soon to be the GNU operating systems microkernel |
22:42.09 | bucky | Australian companies have been asked to pay a licence fee for Linux software in a move apparently backed by the software?s eminence grise, Linus Torvalds. |
22:42.29 | bucky | Letters demanding US$5000 for use of the Linux name were originally dismissed as a hoax. But according to the Sydney Morning Herald, the Open Sauce king is dead serious. |
22:42.43 | bucky | http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25529 |
22:44.01 | mheath | Mach+Hurd is worth taking a look at, at least. I mean, you all already use the rest of the GNU Operating System =P |
22:44.30 | bucky | sure.. someday |
22:47.04 | bucky | there's a couple of debian-bsd's |
22:47.19 | bucky | if you just can't live without apt-get |
22:49.14 | bucky | how about pcbsd.. a desktop bsd http://www.pcbsd.org/ |
22:49.22 | mheath | This latest "You have to pay for your company to use the Linux trademark" ties in oddly with our discussion about the death of XFree86 |
22:50.02 | mheath | "4. Except as contained in this notice, the name of The XFree86 Project, Inc shall not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other dealing in this Software without prior written authorization from The XFree86 Project, Inc." |
22:50.06 | bucky | well.. i think linus is joking around |
22:50.18 | mheath | Thats the segment of the XFree86 license that caused all these problems |
22:50.26 | bucky | right |
22:50.35 | jsmith | bucky: He's not joking around. |
22:50.56 | bucky | au passed some weird copywrite law and now he's giving them greif |
22:50.59 | mheath | I just find it kind of odd that this Linux issue is almost identical to the Xfree86 issue that made everyone abandon it |
22:51.09 | jsmith | bucky: Wrong, again. Get your facts right... |
22:51.29 | mheath | http://www.smh.com.au/news/breaking/linus-backs-trademark-charge-says-maddog/2005/08/19/1123958221375.html?oneclick=true |
22:51.33 | mheath | you'll need a free registration |
22:51.42 | bucky | jsmith, if i want your opinion.. i'll give it to you |
22:51.54 | jsmith | bucky: This is *trademark* law, not copyright. |
22:52.22 | bucky | oh good... that's better |
22:52.39 | bucky | either way.. linus is going to have the last laugh |
22:52.56 | tensai | please. linus has been enforcing the linux trademark for years. |
22:53.06 | bucky | what if he gets tired of playing American yuppie and just goes home? |
22:53.23 | jsmith | Exactly... and trademark law says you have to defend your trademark, or you have no protection under the law. |
22:53.27 | mheath | "We are not trying to limit the use of the name Linux. We are only asking that people help us protect the quality of the Linux name, and ultimately their trademark by both giving proper attribution (everyone) and by helping us fund the cause (the actual sub-licence holders)," he said. |
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22:59.53 | bonez39 | colera: still here? |
23:00.25 | bonez39 | colera: I have the networked laser setup, with ldadmin...to route all print jobs to the laserjet by default..... |
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23:08.49 | bucky | levi you around? |
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23:09.43 | levi | bucky: Yes. |
23:09.46 | bucky | what's your lisp set up now with your new intsall? |
23:10.13 | levi | What new install do you mean? |
23:11.03 | bucky | levi what kind of lisp are you using? |
23:11.11 | bucky | still using emacs? |
23:11.13 | levi | I'm running openmcl on my Mac laptop, and sbcl on my linux machines. |
23:11.21 | bucky | ci |
23:11.31 | levi | I do editing with emacs, yes. |
23:11.43 | levi | And I use slime.el for lisp programming. |
23:12.36 | bucky | ok |
23:13.31 | levi | Though the mcclim stuff is moving along. It has a nice listener, inspector, and debugger. |
23:15.29 | bucky | levi i'm going to try writing a fibonacci number program from an example in a java course in lisp called faster fibonacci |
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23:16.03 | bucky | it stores the last number and starts from there instead of starting from 0, 1 |
23:16.19 | levi | You're going to memoize it? |
23:16.25 | bucky | lol |
23:16.31 | levi | ... |
23:16.43 | levi | memoizing is a programming technique. |
23:16.55 | bucky | it store the last time it computed a number and stores it in memory |
23:17.19 | levi | When an algorithm has to perform a lot of redundant calculations, memoizing stores them in a hash table and uses the stored result instead of doing the calculation again. |
23:17.40 | bucky | then the next time you ask the program to compute a fibonacci number it checks to see if it's been computed before |
23:18.45 | bucky | i think the hash thing is what the java example did because memory is stored in a heap anyway.. at least according to the lesson |
23:19.06 | levi | Lisp has hashes, too. |
23:19.11 | bucky | right |
23:19.40 | bucky | that was interesting to me... to store something so the program wouldn't have to calculate it again |
23:20.00 | bucky | or to start at a point where it left off and continue |
23:20.33 | bucky | i feel like trying to program again |
23:21.47 | levi | bucky: Scheme can capture continuations, which is the general concept behind starting at a point where you left off before. |
23:22.06 | bucky | that's powerful |
23:22.50 | levi | Especially since you can start again at that point as many times as you'd like. |
23:27.12 | bucky | levi, all i can find is sources for scheme48-scm in my repos... is that the common scheme? |
23:30.13 | bucky | BTW the 1000 billionth binary digit for pi is 1 |
23:31.03 | bucky | this is funny! lisp for musicians http://ccrma.stanford.edu/CCRMA/Courses/LispWorkshop/Lisp-06.html |
23:31.07 | bucky | it's good |
23:31.16 | levi | bucky: scheme48 is a good scheme implementation. |
23:31.29 | bucky | i'll look into it tnx |
23:33.54 | levi | That Lisp for Musicians page was using Common Lisp, though, not Scheme. |
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