| 00:24.41 | Maquis | Supaplex: thanks :) |
| 00:33.50 | Supaplex | np |
| 00:33.56 | Supaplex | now this tape drive, what a pain |
| 00:35.13 | levi | Maquis: It just keeps morphing into a different flamewar. |
| 00:38.31 | Supaplex | anyone fixed a jammed dlt4000 drive before? (quantum) |
| 00:39.06 | Maquis | levi: yeah... it certainly has morphed |
| 00:39.12 | Maquis | but it's still the same general idea |
| 00:39.34 | Maquis | Supaplex: never used a tape drive before... but i've done some good work with jammed printers... |
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| 00:40.31 | Maquis | http://chroniclesofgeorge.nanc.com |
| 00:40.41 | Maquis | the last one on page 3 is really sad |
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| 00:45.26 | Supaplex | got the little cuss out :) |
| 00:46.38 | Supaplex | I now have two "display" cartridges heh |
| 00:51.09 | levi | Maquis: I'd be happy to let it die if people would just quit dissing Lisp. The discussion had nothing to do with Lisp! |
| 00:51.21 | levi | Maquis: And I didn't even bring it up! |
| 00:53.58 | levi | Anyone who has written tens of thousands of lines of TCL has obviously had his programming language taste eroded by prolonged contact with caustic material. ;) |
| 00:56.16 | Supaplex | haha |
| 00:57.42 | Maquis | trouble-ticket: "they needed in the kitchen at 10:00am today" |
| 00:57.58 | levi | Actually, I haven't programmed in TCL, but I know a guy at work who's using it to write test scripts. Apparently it's a great fit for that. |
| 00:58.08 | Maquis | another trouble-ticket: "<blank> is receiving an error that states line x excuration locked at another user will not be auto created at this time." |
| 01:05.16 | Maquis | "<blank> needs lcd projector onjune th5 at the frot desk" |
| 01:05.20 | levi | And John Ousterhout designed TCL with Lisp in mind (he says it has a 'lisp-like flavor' in this conference paper describing it), so it does share quite a bit of flexibility with its more parenthesized parent. |
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| 03:44.50 | *** topic/#utah by hans -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. Hans has a pentium pro IBM server and a 350mhz box up for grabs |
| 03:45.44 | levi | hans: Geez, I think that's a DI candidate. |
| 03:47.25 | levi | hans: Probably the Pentium Pro, too. |
| 03:50.22 | hans | no doubt. Even _I_ haven't used it for awhile. :) |
| 03:50.47 | hans | I'm gonna leave it on my porch all week and see if it walks away. would serve the theif right. |
| 03:50.53 | hans | ~spell theif |
| 03:51.02 | hans | the-if. that's it. |
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| 04:38.46 | Maquis | ~sleep |
| 04:38.46 | ibot | i heard sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine. |
| 04:39.02 | Maquis | ~go eat worms |
| 04:39.02 | ibot | o/~ nobody likes me, everybody hates me, i guess i'll go eat worms o/~ |
| 04:47.40 | Hhhhh | heh |
| 04:47.41 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 04:52.06 | Supaplex | Hhhhh: well? |
| 04:55.47 | Supaplex | Hhhhh must be from rutgers slug |
| 06:20.06 | Hhhhh | huh? rutgers? |
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| 07:51.33 | xbmodder | hey! |
| 07:51.38 | xbmodder | hans, can I have it? |
| 09:52.50 | xbmodder | ~lart rixth |
| 12:36.36 | hans | xbmodder: which one? if you pay for shipping. |
| 12:38.22 | *** topic/#utah by hans -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. Hans has a pentium pro IBM server up for grabs |
| 13:15.09 | Maquis | ~lart sprinklers next door that go on at 2:30 am |
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| 13:51.04 | hans | mornin' |
| 13:51.53 | hans | so, I have ldap working, and it's cool. but lo and behold tools like adduser/useradd, etc. don't play ldap. what do you all use for adding/removing users? |
| 13:59.23 | dataw0lf | custom scripts |
| 13:59.32 | dataw0lf | since LDAP's structure is almost entirely up to you. |
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| 14:26.25 | hans | while that is true, there are convnetions or at least consistency within your organization. It seems like a waste for all of us to have to write our own "find an unused UID" logic and so on |
| 14:27.30 | hans | not to mention scripting all the stuff that adduser does for us now, e.g. making the home directory and copying /etc/skel, and so on. Not that any of that is hard, it just seems like wasted energy |
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| 15:15.26 | Maquis | hans: is it possible to use adduser inside the script? |
| 15:16.38 | mrpull | geeeze. someone just sent a resume in an HTML email with animated smiley gifs for a unix admin job. |
| 15:16.38 | hans | possible, but counter-productive since adduser creates the entry in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow |
| 15:16.47 | mrpull | i cant possibly take him seriously |
| 15:17.06 | vontrapp | mrpull: that was me, do i get the job :) :) :) :) |
| 15:17.12 | vontrapp | j/k |
| 15:17.18 | hans | he'd probably be pretty happy, eh? |
| 15:17.20 | mrpull | heh. i know you better. |
| 15:17.42 | mrpull | they are 2 inches tall and there is one rolling left to right above his sig |
| 15:17.46 | mrpull | what a dingbat |
| 15:17.53 | vontrapp | lol |
| 15:18.02 | vontrapp | did he use the dingbats font? |
| 15:18.42 | mrpull | nah. i would have searched him out and killed him if he used comic sans. |
| 15:19.17 | vontrapp | that used to be my favorite font, not that i could ever really use it for anything ;) |
| 15:19.35 | vontrapp | like a resume |
| 15:20.20 | mrpull | his resume is 7 pages long... and has lousy clip art |
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| 15:20.42 | vontrapp | the problem is, it HAS clip art |
| 15:21.09 | mrpull | yeah. i don't think i'll call hiim |
| 15:21.49 | mrpull | i feel a little motion sickness from the animations in his email |
| 15:22.10 | mrpull | i give extra credit to people who send resumes in plain text and pdf. |
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| 15:45.04 | Maquis | mrpull: did he have any good info on there? |
| 15:45.13 | mrpull | i didn't read for content |
| 15:45.26 | mrpull | i was too put off by the presentation |
| 15:45.29 | Maquis | ah... |
| 15:45.38 | Maquis | well... 7 pages should have *something* worth reading, right? |
| 15:45.50 | mrpull | maybe for some laughs |
| 15:46.14 | Maquis | maybe he'd be a good person to put in the middle of a long day of interviews... |
| 15:46.20 | Maquis | not to actually look into hiring him |
| 15:46.26 | Maquis | but to give you a break... :) |
| 15:46.39 | mrpull | heh. maybe. i don't have enough time to waste on him :) |
| 15:46.50 | Maquis | :) |
| 15:47.37 | Maquis | going to be looking for a *real* job soon |
| 15:48.13 | mrpull | leave the animated smilies out |
| 15:48.18 | Maquis | mrpull: yeah... |
| 15:48.24 | Maquis | mine's pdf... |
| 15:48.58 | Maquis | currently being made with ooffice because i'm having trouble getting it to work with LaTeX |
| 15:57.42 | vontrapp | Maquis: i'm trying to get a LaTeX resume, too |
| 15:57.56 | vontrapp | what document class are you using? |
| 16:01.36 | mrpull | anyone use probind or probind2 in production? |
| 16:02.30 | vontrapp | ah, the perl debate continues |
| 16:02.32 | Uncle_Jesse | My coworker just brought me a bunch of LinuxWorld schwag |
| 16:04.10 | Uncle_Jesse | Finally got a "No, I won't fix your computer" shirt from it |
| 16:06.02 | Uncle_Jesse | For some reason our sysadmins get to go to all the cool conferences |
| 16:06.29 | dataw0lf | sysadmins always do :) |
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| 16:14.03 | jsmith | No fair -- I don't get to go to any cool conferences. |
| 16:14.08 | jsmith | (Well, except for Astricon) |
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| 16:21.03 | hans | me either. not even astricon |
| 16:21.41 | vontrapp | a huge percentage |
| 16:28.41 | jsmith | Thats because font sizes are stupid. |
| 16:32.52 | vontrapp | my font sizes aren't stupid |
| 16:33.11 | vontrapp | my web browser is the one thing that displays fonts at an easily readable size |
| 16:45.30 | vontrapp | ~conference Maquis |
| 16:45.32 | dataw0lf | Maquis: it's all about the proposals you write to the bosses |
| 16:46.15 | dataw0lf | I've been focusing on free certs over conferences though. |
| 16:46.40 | dataw0lf | you can only hang out with so many drunk geeks until it becomes repititious |
| 17:04.21 | Maquis | dataw0lf: most bosses don't send interns to conferences |
| 17:07.59 | tene | what about interncon? |
| 17:08.58 | dataw0lf | isn't that the coffee break room? |
| 17:09.13 | dataw0lf | ;) |
| 17:09.30 | tene | hehe |
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| 17:12.00 | Maquis | maybe at other places... :) |
| 17:12.25 | Maquis | ~TimRiker |
| 17:12.25 | ibot | timriker is probably my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org mailto:Tim@TI.com maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool person, or ... |
| 17:12.44 | tene | ~Maquis |
| 17:12.44 | ibot | i don't give information like that to filthy cardassian spies |
| 17:12.46 | tene | ~tene |
| 17:12.46 | ibot | methinks tene is Tenebram, or the king of pirate, or my god, or chocolate frosted sugar bombs, or a liar |
| 17:13.08 | Maquis | ~sjansen |
| 17:13.08 | ibot | it has been said that sjansen is one hoopey frood who really knows where his towel is |
| 17:13.20 | tene | ~moonbase3 |
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| 17:13.35 | tene | ~Hhhhh |
| 17:13.35 | ibot | hhhhh is probably bbbb |
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| 17:14.05 | tene | ~Hhhhhh |
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| 17:40.00 | Uncle_Jesse | lol - my flamewar about a flamewar is turning into a flamewar |
| 17:41.59 | levi | Uncle_Jesse: Well, is it surprising at all, considering you called it a flamewar? |
| 17:43.00 | Uncle_Jesse | sure - flame me for calling it a flamewar :-) |
| 17:43.23 | vontrapp | ~flame Uncle_Jesse for calling it a flamewar |
| 17:43.23 | ibot | Uncle_Jesse for calling it a flamewar sux0rz d00d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@!!!!!!!11 |
| 17:43.32 | Uncle_Jesse | lol |
| 17:45.02 | Hhhhhh | lol |
| 18:26.22 | jsmith | Anybody seen gundy? If so, show him this: http://www.sineapps.com/news.php?rssid=932 |
| 18:40.21 | xbmodder | anyone played with splunk? |
| 18:41.13 | xbmodder | whats an IAXy? |
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| 19:20.52 | hans | ~iaxy |
| 19:20.52 | ibot | it has been said that iaxy is pronounced "Eeks-ee", a small ATA produced by Digium for using the IAX protocol in place of SIP. |
| 19:39.46 | levi | Is it just my perception of things from the recent Plug flames, or is Jonathan Ellis really a jerk? |
| 19:39.56 | Jayce^ | no, that's really it |
| 19:40.09 | Jayce^ | new guy, trying to stir up flames constantly |
| 19:40.10 | neybar_work | he seems pretty jerky to me |
| 19:46.10 | levi | In the future I will try to avoid responding to him. |
| 19:49.55 | xbmodder | zotob is quite dump |
| 19:50.56 | vontrapp | botox is sloppy face |
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| 20:15.38 | Maquis | levi: i'm agreeing with your perception as well... |
| 20:16.10 | Maquis | i think there were some distinct moments where he acted about as jerky as can be, and then got mad when people were a good deal less-jerky in response to him... |
| 20:16.30 | Maquis | it seemed like he was intentionally making the flame-war very personal... |
| 20:17.21 | levi | I'm happy to discuss the technical merits of things, but I hate personal flaming and snippy 'welcome to the internet' type replies. |
| 20:18.06 | levi | I probably get frustrated and cross the line from time to time like anyone else, but I try to be civil when I'm disagreeing. |
| 20:20.03 | levi | Oh well. |
| 20:20.34 | levi | I'm sad that the guy who posted a while ago about starting a Lisp Users Group never replied to me. |
| 20:23.31 | levi | Took me a little bit to figure it out, since my bogosity filter kept wanting to just ignore it entirely. |
| 20:31.27 | vontrapp | yeah, i found myself thinking "He's pretty adamant about this" before realizing what was going on |
| 20:32.11 | vontrapp | that was about the third or fourth sentence :) |
| 20:34.00 | Bradipo | levi: Welcome to the Internet. ;-) |
| 20:35.12 | levi | Bradipo: It wouldn't be the Internet if the old-timers didn't gripe about all the new annoying kids. ;) |
| 20:35.42 | vontrapp | ~welcome $victim to the internet is <action> welcomes $victim to the internet with a BFT2000 (Big Flame Thrower) |
| 20:35.42 | ibot | Hey, $victim to the internet is <action> welcomes $victim to the internet with a BFT2000 (Big Flame Thrower)! Glad you could join us. |
| 20:35.56 | vontrapp | darn |
| 20:36.07 | vontrapp | ~"welcome $victim to the internet" is <action> welcomes $victim to the internet with a BFT2000 (Big Flame Thrower) |
| 20:36.07 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, vontrapp |
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| 21:05.05 | tene | ~welcome vontrapp |
| 21:05.05 | ibot | Good to see you, vontrapp! |
| 21:05.11 | tene | ~literal welcome |
| 21:12.17 | vontrapp | ~literal welcome $thing |
| 21:12.17 | ibot | Welcome to the party, $thing! |
| 21:12.22 | vontrapp | bah |
| 21:15.57 | jsmith | Has the PLUG list settled down yet? Do I dare start reading it again? |
| 21:16.03 | Jayce^ | it has |
| 21:16.17 | levi | Hasn't been much flame at all today. |
| 21:16.44 | levi | Just some grumbling about the recent flamefest. |
| 21:21.44 | jsmith | Figures... |
| 21:25.22 | Supaplex | keep some tums handy, just in case. ;) |
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| 21:39.09 | jsmith | Supaplex: Naw, I'll just avoid reading it today... after all, it is Monday... |
| 21:40.07 | Supaplex | it's easy to do when you're not subscribed (my case) |
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| 21:42.57 | Supaplex | jsmith: if I remember right, you had a shooting range party with some quicknet hardware, right? (conversation about 6-10mo ago) |
| 21:43.47 | xbmodder | awwwwwww |
| 21:43.49 | xbmodder | dude! |
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| 21:44.01 | jsmith | Supaplex: Uh, yeah... |
| 21:44.06 | Supaplex | where these the cards you rma'ed atleast once? |
| 21:44.27 | jsmith | Supaplex: Actually, I've never even touched the junk. |
| 21:45.57 | Supaplex | what are your plans for them? |
| 21:49.54 | jsmith | I don't have any quicknet hardware... |
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| 22:21.38 | sjansen | stupid hotel |
| 22:21.47 | sjansen | who firewalls everything but port 80? |
| 22:22.18 | Jayce^ | "for your protection" |
| 22:22.18 | vontrapp | OCT |
| 22:22.44 | sjansen | at least I didn't have to jump through hoops |
| 22:23.02 | sjansen | and when I said I used Linux, the support guy took it in stride and just open up the firewall for me |
| 22:24.03 | vontrapp | that's nice |
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| 22:27.44 | xbmodder | I think I am going to throw up. |
| 22:29.19 | xbmodder | vontrapp, thats not gunna help |
| 22:31.28 | sjansen | So I finally have Internet access. I'm hungry. And I got a little more than three hours of sleep last night. |
| 22:31.44 | sjansen | This, folks, is what we call a conundrum. |
| 22:32.03 | vontrapp | ~dict conundrum |
| 22:32.54 | sjansen | I could order room service and eat next to my computer... or I could find a restraunt and take a nap while I wait for the food... but I can't find a way to all three. |
| 22:33.29 | vontrapp | or you could sleep on your computer with no food |
| 22:34.20 | xbmodder | go to starbucks |
| 22:34.30 | xbmodder | get a pizza ordered to star bucks |
| 22:34.41 | xbmodder | sleep while waiting for the pizza |
| 22:34.51 | xbmodder | and use the computer and pizza at the same time |
| 22:36.13 | xbmodder | Mamma's Pizza |
| 22:36.13 | xbmodder | (416) 487-4443 - 1.9 km SE |
| 22:36.17 | xbmodder | thats in toronto |
| 22:36.30 | xbmodder | Mamma's Pizza |
| 22:36.30 | xbmodder | (416) 544-1444 - 1.1 km NW |
| 22:36.32 | xbmodder | also them |
| 22:36.57 | xbmodder | they have a grey roof |
| 22:37.16 | xbmodder | the 4443 one is in a huge shopping center |
| 22:37.19 | xbmodder | !monologue |
| 22:37.23 | xbmodder | ~monologue |
| 22:37.24 | xbmodder | lol |
| 22:40.16 | xbmodder | anyone know where my sister's camera is? |
| 22:41.01 | sjansen | rock on google! |
| 22:41.10 | sjansen | ~google 20 us dollars to canadian dollars |
| 22:42.20 | vontrapp | crazy... eh? |
| 22:50.46 | jsmith | sjansen: Order room service, sleep until the food gets there... you can make up on lost money, but not on lost sleep... |
| 22:53.28 | neybar_work | or better yet use caffine, then you can forgo the sleep part... :) |
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| 23:10.56 | vontrapp | mmm, star wars techno |
| 23:11.41 | dataw0lf | negative + positive = negative |
| 23:12.10 | vontrapp | you mean *? |
| 23:12.12 | synic | I think you mean * |
| 23:12.47 | vontrapp | but following that logic, you could take country gospel and have something positive |
| 23:13.07 | vontrapp | negative * negative ... |
| 23:17.15 | dataw0lf | jes, I mean * |
| 23:17.16 | dataw0lf | argh |
| 23:17.28 | dataw0lf | oh well, techno sucks, that's the jist of it. |
| 23:17.36 | vontrapp | yeah right |
| 23:17.42 | dataw0lf | don't hate on me, you neo hippie. |
| 23:17.46 | dataw0lf | go take some ecstasy or somethin' |
| 23:17.48 | vontrapp | techno rU11z |
| 23:17.52 | dataw0lf | omgz no |
| 23:17.54 | dataw0lf | ;) |
| 23:18.21 | synic | um, yes it does! |
| 23:18.22 | vontrapp | no, i don't like all techno, there's a narrow spectrum that i love, however |
| 23:19.23 | vontrapp | problem is it's hard to find that techno i so love |
| 23:21.27 | synic | what techno do you "so love" ? |
| 23:22.20 | vontrapp | if you're familiar with the different classes, i mostly find the stuff i love in trance, i've heard some house that i like, too |
| 23:24.56 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 23:24.59 | dataw0lf | synic is familiar, I assure you. |
| 23:25.30 | dataw0lf | oonf oonf oonf oonf |
| 23:25.45 | synic | aaah yeah. |
| 23:26.07 | Supaplex | turn it up, I can't hear it |
| 23:26.40 | dataw0lf | work.. mmm.. over...mmm. |
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| 23:40.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Can someone explain PostScript to me? |
| 23:45.09 | goozbach | it's a language |
| 23:45.16 | goozbach | that printers speak |
| 23:45.28 | goozbach | that programs should speak if they want to print |
| 23:48.04 | sjansen | postscript is just this language, you know? |
| 23:48.14 | Lone_Wanderer | do I have to have a ps-capable printer to print a ps document? |
| 23:48.22 | sjansen | not on linux |
| 23:48.40 | sjansen | you'll need special program to translate it on windows |
| 23:48.41 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm on Windows :'( |
| 23:48.46 | sjansen | ghostscript'll do the trick |
| 23:48.49 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
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| 23:58.05 | Lone_Wanderer | The other day I read an article by some guy (an old Linux geek) about how to make Windows useable for people used to Linux... does this sound familiar to anyone? |
| 23:58.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm looking for it again but can't find it |