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| 04:06.48 | Supaplex | Does anyone recall the prompt/input module Damian spoke of at the last plug meeting? |
| 04:08.37 | levi_ | mhalcrow just had to go and say Java was better than Lisp. |
| 04:11.11 | RyanE | Supaplex: got some notes here... one sec... |
| 04:11.55 | RyanE | IO::Prompt |
| 04:12.28 | Supaplex | thanks =) |
| 04:12.48 | RyanE | no problem. |
| 04:12.53 | RyanE | want a list of the other modules he mentioned? |
| 04:12.55 | RyanE | :) |
| 04:13.54 | vontrapp | RyanE: yes please |
| 04:14.03 | Supaplex | so far I have diagnostic, overloaded, smart::comments, lingua::en::inflect and io::prompt (case is off) |
| 04:14.13 | Supaplex | er diagnostics |
| 04:15.45 | Supaplex | he mentioned http://dev.perl.org/perl6, what other sites did he mention? |
| 04:26.20 | levi_ | Heh. |
| 04:26.32 | levi_ | You can probably safely skip most of the Plug emails today. |
| 04:26.50 | skel_home | wow, you have active lug involvement? |
| 04:29.45 | levi_ | Yeah, there's some cool lug activity here. |
| 04:31.15 | cyclone | and the uphpu guys are really cool.. |
| 04:31.23 | cyclone | If any of you guys here went to tonights BBQ |
| 04:31.57 | skel_home | www.devrylinux.org |
| 04:32.15 | skel_home | but most of our members have a limited attention span or a really tight schedule |
| 04:32.31 | cyclone | in Phoeniz? |
| 04:32.36 | cyclone | -z + x |
| 04:32.45 | levi_ | cyclone: Hmm, didn't hear about it. But, eh, php. :) |
| 04:32.50 | cyclone | Would think to be a lot of folks there |
| 04:33.20 | cyclone | not so much the php.. The people. |
| 04:33.23 | cyclone | They were cool ;P |
| 04:33.35 | goozbach | skel_home: you should talk glass-eye into coming to your lug meetings. |
| 04:33.43 | skel_home | cyclone: there are, but they're sucked up mostly by the phoenix linux users group |
| 04:33.43 | goozbach | he lives in chandler |
| 04:34.06 | goozbach | skel_home: anything going on next week? |
| 04:34.13 | goozbach | as I'll be down there |
| 04:34.43 | skel_home | goozbach: the 22nd, linux / telecom presentation. not asterisk |
| 04:34.53 | skel_home | not sure what the guy is presenting on though |
| 04:35.10 | goozbach | I'm gonna be gone by then |
| 04:35.11 | skel_home | goozbach: I just did one on c-jdbc |
| 04:35.32 | goozbach | I'm there from the 14th - 19th |
| 04:35.51 | skel_home | bummer. that would have made like 4 people who show up |
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| 04:36.58 | dataw0lf- | The uphpu barbecue was alot of fun. |
| 04:37.18 | dataw0lf- | We burned Programming Perl book to cook our meat. |
| 04:37.22 | dataw0lf- | s/book/books |
| 04:37.38 | skel_home | heheh |
| 04:37.49 | skel_home | php heh? |
| 04:38.24 | RyanE | vontrapp: sorry, was watching 'Monk'. Suplaplex covered most of them. I'd add Coy.pm, Acme::Pythonic, and the io module (does any kind of IO with one call... freaky!). He also mentioned Perl6::Say and Perl6::Slurp. |
| 04:38.42 | skel_home | I've written one app with php, but I'm trying to get more familiar with python as a web framework |
| 04:40.15 | dataw0lf- | skel_home: Aye, I'm a Pythonista for the past 4 years. |
| 04:40.19 | dataw0lf- | Not a big fan of PHP really. |
| 04:40.30 | dataw0lf- | but it can be fun to work with. |
| 04:41.25 | RyanE | After doing PHP for work for 3 years, I can get easy scripts done faster in PHP than Perl. |
| 04:41.43 | levi_ | I wrote some simple web page stuff in php a while back. I wasn't terribly impressed. I also use Drupal right now, which is an impressive package, but when I tried to modify it a bit, php annoyed me. |
| 04:41.51 | RyanE | only because the brain remembers PHP calls easier. |
| 04:42.16 | dataw0lf- | levi_: PHP certainly is annoying at times |
| 04:42.24 | dataw0lf- | levi_: and a poorly designed language. |
| 04:42.26 | levi_ | Well, Perl requires practice to continue to be good at it, at least in my experience. |
| 04:42.34 | dataw0lf- | levi_: oh, certainly. |
| 04:42.57 | dataw0lf- | I think unconsciously, so many perl mongers have spent so long mastering the language and 'fitting in' that they refuse to let go of it. |
| 04:43.01 | dataw0lf- | which I find totally respectable. |
| 04:43.05 | levi_ | I always get a little way into learning perl, then don't use it for ages, and forget it all again. |
| 04:43.13 | dataw0lf- | Perl is useful for some things. |
| 04:43.17 | dataw0lf- | But I'm not a huge fan. |
| 04:43.22 | dataw0lf- | Python, however.... |
| 04:43.24 | dataw0lf- | and C. |
| 04:43.30 | dataw0lf- | *shrug* those are the languages I'm best at. |
| 04:43.32 | RyanE | levi: that's my boat, as well. |
| 04:43.34 | skel_home | I've been liking jython since I work in a j2ee environment admin stuff. and I can port my python scripts there without worrying about having the latest version of python |
| 04:43.47 | dataw0lf- | skel_home: never really dug Java. |
| 04:44.03 | RyanE | left a job partically because I didn't care for the Java. |
| 04:44.08 | skel_home | dataw0lf-: its not java, it just compiles into java :) |
| 04:44.10 | dataw0lf- | some of which is derived from my loathing because it came hugely popular as soon as it came out and at the time I was just mastering C. |
| 04:44.14 | levi_ | Well, I like Python, and I'm using it for part of my project at work, but mostly that's because it's easier for me to remember how to use it than perl. |
| 04:44.17 | RyanE | Of course, that was way before "Java 2", and seems like every week, something new was deprecated. |
| 04:44.18 | dataw0lf- | skel_home: yeah, but 'j2ee environ' |
| 04:44.26 | skel_home | dataw0lf-: yeah |
| 04:44.31 | levi_ | And I'm using C for the rest of my project at work, but I'm liking it less and less. |
| 04:44.50 | RyanE | I like C. |
| 04:45.04 | RyanE | not nearly as productive, but I like being closer to the hardware. |
| 04:45.13 | levi_ | Well, attempting to program dynamic systems in C is painful at times. |
| 04:45.16 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: Agreed. |
| 04:45.18 | RyanE | I do 'close to the hardware' bit-twiddling all day long. |
| 04:45.24 | skel_home | I like c just because I'm more functional than OO |
| 04:45.28 | dataw0lf- | But most C work I do is low level. |
| 04:45.42 | dataw0lf- | but I have to go beat LD from Xmission's butt in Halo 2 |
| 04:45.52 | dataw0lf- | bbl |
| 04:45.53 | skel_home | have fun |
| 04:45.53 | levi_ | skel_home: Probably you mean procedural, since functional generall applies to languages like Scheme and Haskell rather than C. |
| 04:46.02 | skel_home | levi_: touche |
| 04:46.21 | RyanE | We do C++ (mostly C) for low-level stuff that runs under Linux *and* windows, and C# for the Windows UI stuff, so I don't do C/C++ for the high-level stuff... |
| 04:46.23 | skel_home | levi_: I did mean that, though I was tired, lazy and didn't know how to spell procedural |
| 04:46.28 | skel_home | levi_: =P |
| 04:46.51 | levi_ | skel_home: That's fine, I just wasn't sure if you were aware of the difference in terminology. |
| 04:47.09 | skel_home | levi_: =] am still learning a lot. ty =] |
| 04:47.50 | skel_home | never been required to actually write anything for my job |
| 04:48.16 | levi_ | RyanE: I'm doing a Linux-based embedded system, but there's really only a little bit of low-level stuff that needs to take place, and the majority of the work would be a lot easier if I had some more facilities for abstraction and higher-level programming. |
| 04:49.01 | RyanE | levi_: I'm writing device driver-level stuff to talk to 3rd party devices, and my C++ code ends up running on an embedded Linux ARM system. |
| 04:49.30 | RyanE | most of the abstraction of the entire system is in C++, and mostly handled for me. I just have to massage the input and outputs to match the device I'm hooking up. |
| 04:49.44 | RyanE | which I like. |
| 04:50.52 | levi_ | I've programmed almost all of this from scratch in C. I couldn't get the g++ runtime libraries for the cross-compiler to build. :/ |
| 04:51.28 | levi_ | So, I've written lots of linked lists and trees and such. |
| 04:51.44 | RyanE | yeah, that's what stl is for. |
| 04:51.54 | levi_ | And expanding string buffers, and expanding integer vectors, etc. |
| 04:52.06 | RyanE | std::string / std::vector |
| 04:52.10 | RyanE | std::queue |
| 04:52.29 | levi_ | Right, but I just have C. |
| 04:52.57 | RyanE | I suppose templating is C++. The mental distinctions to me are pretty small, so I forget. |
| 04:53.27 | RyanE | seems like it'd be easier to make C++ work on your target... :) |
| 04:55.37 | RyanE | but it's always easier to snipe from the sidelines, when someone has done the hard work for me. :) |
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| 05:05.24 | levi_ | G'night! |
| 05:15.21 | Hhhhh | hello |
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| 06:13.12 | wps | can anyone assist me in contacting a SLLUG administrator? |
| 06:16.47 | Maquis | wps: i think it's someone on here, but i don't remember who |
| 06:17.00 | wps | k. thanks. |
| 06:17.01 | Maquis | or maybe it's changed |
| 06:17.07 | Maquis | sorry... that wasn't belpful at all |
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| 06:17.34 | Maquis | and will deal with the second half of the java flamewar tomorrow |
| 06:17.58 | Maquis | ~lart flamewars |
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| 15:25.22 | Supaplex | xbmodder: uhm... notify paypal? *g* |
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