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| 13:06.13 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. |
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| 13:20.37 | sjansen | Are you a cynic? Or are you on a search for a matching ackic? |
| 13:22.54 | Maquis | ~lart sjansen |
| 13:23.04 | synic | heh, when I made the nick I was pretty cynical. Not so much anymore. |
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| 14:31.00 | vontrapp | yuck |
| 14:31.14 | vontrapp | ~lart ball mouse |
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| 15:04.13 | vontrapp | how do you read just labels from partitions? |
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| 15:04.52 | vontrapp | or rather, something simple and direct when all you want is to see the labels |
| 15:06.38 | Bradipo | vontrapp: disklabel? |
| 15:06.56 | vontrapp | volume label |
| 15:07.13 | vontrapp | oh, that's a program? |
| 15:07.21 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 15:07.25 | Bradipo | But on OpenBSD. :-) |
| 15:07.38 | vontrapp | :p |
| 15:08.02 | Bradipo | I'm not even sure it shows the volume label, but I believe it would if any of my disks actually had them. |
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| 15:23.30 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
| 15:26.28 | Maquis | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/37661/ShowPost.aspx |
| 15:32.57 | vontrapp | that's ... :/ |
| 15:36.14 | vontrapp | http://www.howtofoldashirt.net/ |
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| 15:37.44 | Jayce^ | so, what'd folks think of last night? |
| 15:38.10 | vontrapp | i hate to say it, but i really want perl6 |
| 15:38.17 | Jayce^ | mwahahaha |
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| 15:38.33 | Jayce^ | got caught in that lust? |
| 15:39.32 | Jayce^ | we were joking about using unicode for a ternary 'unless' statement |
| 15:39.39 | Jayce^ | insetead of the ? : syntax |
| 15:39.54 | Jayce^ | do a upside down question mark, and the : on it's side :-p |
| 15:40.32 | levi_ | I still think they should have used unicode lambda instead of -> |
| 15:40.34 | Maquis | vontrapp: yeah... thedailywtf.com is scary on a regular basis |
| 15:40.44 | Jayce^ | levi_, you could.. |
| 15:41.00 | Jayce^ | and of course, you can submit suggestions to make that a default |
| 15:41.09 | Jayce^ | the language design is open |
| 15:41.39 | vontrapp | yeah, just like you have the germanbrakkets or the texan brackets |
| 15:42.21 | vontrapp | have lambda in there for default and -> for the unicode impaired |
| 15:43.20 | levi | Anyway, that was a pretty interesting presentation. It's nice to see multiple dispatch going into perl. |
| 15:43.39 | levi | Jayce^: Is there any way to do multithreading in perl 5? |
| 15:43.43 | Jayce^ | yeah, damian wrote a way to do it in perl5, for the proof of concept |
| 15:44.07 | Jayce^ | levi, yes, it's better now, but I usually still avoid it (not the best implementation) |
| 15:44.49 | levi | I just haven't heard much about it, and I wondered if the multithreaded junctions were going to be the primary means of multithreading in perl 6. |
| 15:45.00 | Jayce^ | it's been around since 5.6 |
| 15:45.16 | Jayce^ | the multithreading is vastly superior in 6 |
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| 15:50.17 | levi | I'm just glad there was a non-Perl book there to win. I considered grabbing one of the Perl ones, but my interest in a Perl 5 book is pretty low. |
| 15:52.58 | vontrapp | great, not only do i have to wait forever for an advertisement to load before seeing the content i want, but when interclick is too busy i get an error page instead of any content |
| 15:54.11 | neybar_laptop | I hate that |
| 15:55.43 | vontrapp | oh yeah, another thing i lust for is the context-sensitive returns |
| 15:55.52 | Jayce^ | that was cool |
| 15:55.56 | vontrapp | i could use that right now |
| 15:56.13 | Jayce^ | I like having the list vs scalar in perl5, but the depth 6 goes will be awesome |
| 15:58.11 | levi | I uttered a silent hooray when he announced the normalizing of the sigils. |
| 15:58.46 | Jayce^ | thought you would want them gone :) but yes, normalization eq 'good' |
| 15:58.49 | vontrapp | or could you even just return (Bool true|Str "foo"|Int 3) |
| 15:59.10 | Jayce^ | or some kind of junction |
| 15:59.11 | levi | Well, I wouldn't mind if they disappeared, but normalizing them is almost as good. |
| 15:59.25 | levi | I did learn to program in BASIC, after all. I can deal with sigils. |
| 15:59.29 | Jayce^ | I prefer having them, good for readability :) |
| 16:00.17 | levi | I also was happy about the demise of some of those weird variables. |
| 16:00.29 | levi | Though I still feel uncomfortable about the $_ thing. |
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| 16:00.46 | Jayce^ | welll, most were wierd because there wasn't a place to go... compatibility |
| 16:04.02 | levi | One thing that struck me about the presentation is just how ideologically different the Perl community is from the Java/software engineering community. |
| 16:04.10 | Jayce^ | oh yeah.. |
| 16:04.16 | Jayce^ | it's about freedom :) |
| 16:04.38 | Jayce^ | ditto for the python vs perl |
| 16:04.41 | levi | I mean, one considers invisible effects, overloading of operators, and such like that to be the highest good, while the other considers them the deepest evil. |
| 16:05.12 | levi | I don't think python vs. perl is nearly as different. |
| 16:05.46 | Jayce^ | think of guido vs larry... actually quite different.. kinda well reflected in the languages |
| 16:06.19 | levi | Jayce^: Yeah, they're different in some ways, but the languages are both very dynamic and free compared to Java and C++. |
| 16:07.30 | levi | When you compare just perl and python, they seem very different. When you compare them both with Java and C++, perl and python end up together on one side with Java and C++ together way over on the other side. |
| 16:09.05 | levi | Jayce^: The author of this article (http://acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=315) would have been cringing through the entirety of both presentations last night, except perhaps the Perl 6 OO stuff that introduced encapsulation by default and design-by-contract features. |
| 16:09.23 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 16:09.29 | Jayce^ | I'll have to read it later.. |
| 16:10.17 | levi | It's entitled 'Syntactic Heroin - User-defined overloading is a syntactic drug that has seduced all too many language designers, programmers, and project managers' |
| 16:10.29 | Jayce^ | ah yeah, the one windley referenced today |
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| 16:11.24 | levi | I also think Joel Spolsky would have been cringing as well, judging by his rants on exceptions. |
| 16:12.11 | Jayce^ | good :) |
| 16:12.32 | Jayce^ | so what did you think of the junctions? |
| 16:12.43 | graphyx | ~lart something. |
| 16:12.49 | levi | I thought they were pretty cool. |
| 16:14.21 | vontrapp | i was so excited about junction i came home and explained them to my non-programmer brother |
| 16:14.28 | vontrapp | or tried |
| 16:14.38 | vontrapp | he did fathom some of the coolness of it all |
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| 16:26.43 | bonez41 | I need to have agpgart run with my system...I can run 2.4.18 .. (debian 3.0 system) but if I boot with 2.6.6 or 2.6.7 kernels...the agpgart module doesn't load and thus I have no gui with the 2.6.x kernels.. |
| 16:26.50 | bonez41 | any suggestions? |
| 16:27.12 | decriptor | is it possible to get slides or something for last night presentation |
| 16:27.13 | decriptor | ? |
| 16:27.34 | vontrapp | bonez41: what kind of card? |
| 16:28.36 | bonez41 | vontrapp, would it show at lspci? to show the video card I have? |
| 16:28.43 | JoshH | it should |
| 16:28.46 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 16:29.00 | bonez41 | 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82815 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 02) |
| 16:29.03 | bonez41 | that's from lspci |
| 16:29.13 | JoshH | you shouldnt need agpgart just to have a gui |
| 16:29.16 | bonez41 | so it's a CGC card? |
| 16:29.20 | JoshH | only for direct rendering |
| 16:29.23 | JoshH | thats onboard |
| 16:29.35 | vontrapp | is there another one? |
| 16:30.12 | bonez41 | JoshH, well, here's what i find..if I boot 2.4.18 ... setup from woody disc...the gui loads..however if I load 2.6.6 or 2.6.7 kernels..i get a failur to load gdm.....and errors about not finding screens, and I notice the log files show agp failing to load |
| 16:30.27 | bonez41 | vontrapp, that's all that lspci shows about video... |
| 16:30.49 | bonez41 | 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801BA IDE U100 |
| 16:30.51 | JoshH | bonez39: add intel-agp and agpgart to /etc/modules |
| 16:30.53 | sjansen | ~curse everyone that went to the presentation last night |
| 16:30.53 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, everyone that went to the presentation last night ! |
| 16:31.10 | sjansen | ~destroy everyone that received a book |
| 16:31.10 | ibot | no |
| 16:31.15 | sjansen | yes! |
| 16:31.16 | vontrapp | ~mock sjansen |
| 16:31.16 | ibot | ACTION pulls sjansen's pants down and shows the world sjansen's pink spotted underwear |
| 16:31.22 | Jayce^ | ~gloat sjansen |
| 16:31.24 | JoshH | i got a make magazine, but no book. :( |
| 16:31.33 | vontrapp | i got make too |
| 16:31.41 | vontrapp | and bookmarks and stickers :) |
| 16:31.47 | bonez41 | JoshH, ok, but in my running kernel, now 2.4.18 it shows agpgart 29472 6 that for the loaded agp module....not intel-agp |
| 16:31.47 | sjansen | ~abuse everyone that got swag |
| 16:31.47 | ibot | ACTION smacks everyone that got swag across the face. "Take that, Bitch!" |
| 16:31.51 | JoshH | that was a great presentation |
| 16:32.00 | Jayce^ | two presentations |
| 16:32.01 | JoshH | bonez39: intel-agp is only for 2.6 kernels |
| 16:32.04 | Jayce^ | bonus perl6 one at the end |
| 16:32.08 | JoshH | ya |
| 16:32.09 | vontrapp | bonez41: you want intel-agp for 2.6 |
| 16:32.14 | bonez41 | ok..... |
| 16:32.14 | JoshH | that one kinda scared me though :) |
| 16:32.32 | Jayce^ | of course, it was damian showing off deep tricks :) |
| 16:32.41 | bonez41 | vontrapp, so I just add those to /etc/modules and then boot 2.6 ? |
| 16:32.48 | JoshH | bonez39: yes, try it |
| 16:32.51 | Jayce^ | vontrapp, you should tell sjansen about your favorite part :) see what he thinks :-p |
| 16:33.22 | vontrapp | sjansen: did you just come in? |
| 16:33.25 | JoshH | it was like 3 presentations... a standup comedy routine, then a general perl talk, then a perl6 talk |
| 16:33.42 | Jayce^ | that's standard damian style, very funny |
| 16:34.03 | decriptor | does that mean no way to relive last night |
| 16:34.11 | Jayce^ | yeah.. |
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| 16:34.24 | JoshH | i was wondering if there was anything about perl that he didnt know... |
| 16:34.35 | Jayce^ | most the content is on dev.perl.org, but his stuff is his job.. |
| 16:34.55 | Jayce^ | JoshH, that's nothing, if he did the BOFH presetnation, you'd see the real deep stuff |
| 16:35.10 | vontrapp | Jayce^: you mean the junctions, right? |
| 16:35.12 | JoshH | so you have seen him before elsewhere? |
| 16:35.27 | Jayce^ | vontrapp, yeah |
| 16:35.29 | sjansen | wasn't someone going to record? |
| 16:35.33 | Jayce^ | JoshH, yeah, at OSCON |
| 16:35.36 | Jayce^ | sjansen, not allowed |
| 16:35.44 | Jayce^ | JoshH, several times |
| 16:35.50 | sjansen | ~attack Jayce^ |
| 16:35.50 | ibot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing Jayce^ |
| 16:36.31 | sjansen | ~travolta Jayce^ |
| 16:36.31 | ibot | ACTION replaces Jayce^ with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 16:36.57 | Jayce^ | was nice to finally have raffle tickets |
| 16:37.42 | vontrapp | oooh, the junctions |
| 16:37.44 | sjansen | ~shake vontrapp |
| 16:37.49 | Jayce^ | mmm, quantum superpositions |
| 16:38.39 | vontrapp | sjansen: imagin a conjunction of several different functions |
| 16:40.06 | vontrapp | you use that conjunction and all function run simultaneously threadedly and your result is the result of all the functions all simultaneously quantum-superposed-like |
| 16:40.36 | Jayce^ | all(), none(), any() and what else? |
| 16:40.46 | vontrapp | i couldn't remember the last either :/ |
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| 16:41.10 | neybar_laptop | non() |
| 16:41.12 | neybar_laptop | nm |
| 16:41.27 | Jayce^ | sjansen would have loved his C++ code example :) |
| 16:41.32 | Jayce^ | the buffy code |
| 16:41.35 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 16:42.00 | vontrapp | i think the missing one is the one for just-one |
| 16:42.02 | JoshH | and his jabs at java |
| 16:42.27 | vontrapp | was it one()? |
| 16:42.37 | Jayce^ | might have boon |
| 16:42.38 | Jayce^ | been |
| 16:42.40 | Jayce^ | bleh |
| 16:42.44 | vontrapp | bloh |
| 16:42.46 | vontrapp | blooh |
| 16:42.49 | neybar_laptop | it was one() |
| 16:42.52 | Jayce^ | brain not multi-threaded |
| 16:43.25 | vontrapp | at least i can't calculate your deepest desires whatching your threaded eye movements |
| 16:43.54 | vontrapp | s/watch/watch/ |
| 16:44.00 | vontrapp | s/whatch/watch/ |
| 16:44.02 | vontrapp | sheesh |
| 16:45.00 | graphyx | I want to have it answer yes to every question asked . |
| 16:45.09 | graphyx | The command I think I want is "cp * backup < yes" |
| 16:45.25 | graphyx | But the < yes" isn't directing the output of yes into the cp * backup command. |
| 16:45.29 | graphyx | What do I really need to do? |
| 16:45.38 | graphyx | (cp * backup) < yes ? |
| 16:45.39 | Bradipo | Disable the prompt? |
| 16:45.49 | tewk | cp is probably aliased as cp -i |
| 16:45.52 | levi | Common Lisp has every, some, notevery, and notany, but it implements them as short-circuiting operations on sequences, not simultaneous threaded operations on a junction type. |
| 16:45.54 | Bradipo | cp -f |
| 16:46.04 | tewk | \cp * backup will override the alias |
| 16:46.20 | Jayce^ | levi, that's about the same perl5 does (if you use the packages) |
| 16:46.24 | graphyx | What does the -i do? |
| 16:46.29 | Bradipo | By the way * will include backup... |
| 16:46.29 | graphyx | nvm |
| 16:46.50 | graphyx | It said it ommited backup. |
| 16:46.50 | Bradipo | Which will likely generate an error, but not a problem. |
| 16:46.59 | graphyx | Ok thanks. |
| 16:46.59 | tewk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.59 | tewk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.12 | levi | Common Lisp also does all the cool multiple dispatch stuff, including specializing method calls on expressions. |
| 16:48.35 | vontrapp | graphyx: cp * backup <(yes) |
| 16:49.17 | levi | Common Lisp still has an advantage in safe program transformation, since it manipulates the parse tree via macros rather than the source code. |
| 16:49.19 | Jayce^ | yeah, that's where perl was getting them from, the contiuation based system too |
| 16:49.26 | graphyx | vontrapp Thanks. |
| 16:49.45 | levi | Well, the continuation-passing virtual machine comes from Scheme, not Common Lisp. |
| 16:49.57 | Jayce^ | ah, knew it was one of those |
| 16:51.27 | levi | Common Lisp doesn't have first-class continuations for practical reasons. It makes unwind-protect difficult, it's behavior is difficult to pin down in the presence of multiple threads, and it has a (small, if properly implemented) impact on the performance of all programs. |
| 16:51.42 | levi | Yow, I used the wrong its. |
| 16:52.00 | hans | ~grammar levi |
| 16:52.10 | hans | ~nazi levi |
| 16:53.48 | levi | But anyway, the continuation-passing technique is a nice way to build an extremely flexible compiler or virtual machine. |
| 16:53.58 | levi | And I'm glad to see Parrot is using it. |
| 16:54.19 | Jayce^ | especially in conjunction with the register instead of stack based system |
| 16:55.19 | hans | gaaa, I want to make gnome forget EVERYTHING. how do I do that? |
| 16:55.27 | hans | it seems to remember just about everything no matter what I delete. |
| 16:55.47 | neybar_laptop | use kde? :P |
| 16:56.03 | levi | rm -rf .* ;) |
| 16:57.54 | tene | hans: look in .gconf and .gnome* |
| 16:58.06 | Jayce^ | .gtk* too |
| 16:58.11 | Jayce^ | goozbach, missed ya |
| 16:58.45 | sjansen | it's its it's its it's its it's its i'ts its 'its its its' its |
| 16:58.55 | vontrapp | goozbach: i didn't miss you, but you sure missed a lot :p |
| 16:59.02 | goozbach | I didn't wake up till 18:15 last night |
| 16:59.25 | vontrapp | ~hug rsync |
| 16:59.25 | ibot | ACTION hugs rsync |
| 16:59.28 | goozbach | there was don wat I was making it to uvsc in 15 minutes |
| 16:59.59 | sjansen | goozbach: I think you haven't had your morning Dew yet. |
| 17:00.06 | sjansen | You're not quite coherent yet. |
| 17:00.30 | goozbach | I'm hyped up on sudafed |
| 17:00.44 | goozbach | I've been sick since saturday |
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| 17:01.01 | goozbach | and there's no dewin the offices |
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| 17:02.31 | sjansen | Oh the HORROR! |
| 17:03.28 | sjansen | ~lart goozbach for his 5 day weekend |
| 17:03.46 | sjansen | ~lart everyone else that was at the Damian presentation and goozbach even though he wasn't there |
| 17:04.05 | levi | With just a few more ingredients, you could turn your sudafed into meth, and that'd get you /way/ more hyped than Dew. ;) |
| 17:11.12 | vontrapp | anyone used zoneminder? |
| 17:12.15 | vontrapp | or rather, used_zoneminder(any(@#utah)) |
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| 17:14.00 | ralphsnart | g'day folks |
| 17:14.18 | hans | er, not vnc |
| 17:14.18 | hans | nx |
| 17:16.41 | vontrapp | hans: where do you get nx? |
| 17:17.40 | neybar_laptop | http://freenx.berlios.de/ |
| 17:18.23 | neybar_laptop | http://www.nomachine.com/ |
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| 17:20.37 | levi | Heh, death by computer game: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/10/AR2005081000416.html |
| 17:20.37 | neybar_laptop | I'm not sure how it is now, but last year the client software from nomachine was vastly superiour over what freenx had. |
| 17:21.10 | hans | haven't tried the free client |
| 17:21.14 | hans | but I'm using the freenx server |
| 17:21.28 | hans | deb http://kanotix.com/files/debian/ ./ |
| 17:22.49 | euler | Something for all you LotR fans out there... Don't get mad at me if this has been posted here before... http://home.planet.nl/~beekv044/TheyreTakingTheHobbitsToIsengard.wmv |
| 17:22.50 | euler | Sorry it wmv |
| 17:22.50 | euler | I didn't make it, I just think it's funny. |
| 17:24.59 | graphyx | Hey is there any worthwhile reference for the different commands that you can use in an asterisk conf file? |
| 17:25.17 | graphyx | stuff like exten => x,1,(command) |
| 17:25.31 | graphyx | Where it lists the different commands and what they do/ parameters/ etc? |
| 17:27.01 | jsmith | graphyx: Yes... |
| 17:27.15 | jsmith | graphyx: Appendix B of my book... :-) |
| 17:27.55 | jsmith | graphyx: And they're on the wiki, and there is an old reference at asteriskdocs.org |
| 17:30.10 | graphyx | jsmith: what wiki? |
| 17:30.15 | graphyx | voip-info.org? |
| 17:30.35 | vontrapp | gah, can't seem to find the exponent operator for php |
| 17:32.20 | neybar_laptop | random guess: ** |
| 17:33.53 | neybar_laptop | at least that is what it is in perl. I assume that php would have kept that. |
| 17:33.55 | vontrapp | nope |
| 17:34.00 | neybar_laptop | bummer |
| 17:34.58 | vontrapp | i can do: 0 + ($num . "e" . $exponent) |
| 17:35.03 | vontrapp | but that's ugly |
| 17:35.32 | Jayce^ | yeah, but you're already in php, what do you expect ;) |
| 17:36.13 | jsmith | graphyx: Yes... that wiki |
| 17:36.14 | neybar_laptop | try ^ |
| 17:36.17 | neybar_laptop | 2^3 |
| 17:37.06 | jsmith | Try pow(2,3) |
| 17:37.34 | Jayce^ | or kung_pow() |
| 17:38.13 | Jayce^ | ~medicate goozbach |
| 17:38.30 | goozbach | ~caffiene goozbach |
| 17:38.33 | jsmith | Jayce^: Mmmmmn.... kung_pow() |
| 17:38.44 | goozbach | ~dew goozbach |
| 17:38.44 | ibot | ACTION hands goozbach a 24 pack of mountain dew then leaves the room and locks the door |
| 17:38.51 | goozbach | much bettre |
| 17:39.08 | neybar_laptop | bah, ^ is the bc operator for exponent. the article that I read switched from talking about php to bc. |
| 17:39.23 | vontrapp | ok yeah, pow($a,$b) works, but i like operators |
| 17:39.24 | vontrapp | oh well |
| 17:39.39 | jsmith | PHP isn't Perl -- not everything is an operator :-) |
| 17:40.00 | Jayce^ | poor things, can't create their own unicode operators :) |
| 17:40.09 | jsmith | Sad, isn't it. |
| 17:40.18 | goozbach | shamefull |
| 17:45.38 | vontrapp | my boss is infatuated with php |
| 17:45.55 | neybar_laptop | fun |
| 17:53.08 | tene | I'm infuriated with php |
| 17:53.11 | tene | does that count? |
| 17:53.18 | Jayce^ | yes.. |
| 17:53.53 | vontrapp | did he give a link for that page of useless words? |
| 17:54.14 | tene | it was in his slides |
| 17:54.15 | tene | are his slides available online anywhere? |
| 17:54.26 | Jayce^ | no |
| 17:58.15 | bonez39 | JoshH: vontrapp what's weird is that now, it's telling me my mouse is not working..and thus gdm won't start...I guess I need to add the mouse driver to /etc/modules too..I am amazed at how picky 2.6 is compared with 2.4 |
| 17:59.15 | tene | so someone is asking me if you can 'reinitialize' or 'restart' a drive on a linux box while it's running |
| 17:59.19 | tene | instead of rebooting the box |
| 17:59.38 | tene | but I don't understand what he's talking about. |
| 17:59.39 | JoshH | bonez39: the debian 2.6 kernels have a module called psmouse you need to load for a ps/2 mouse |
| 18:00.01 | JoshH | modprobe psmouse, and add psmouse to /etc/modules |
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| 18:07.37 | bonez39 | JoshH: thanks..... |
| 18:08.31 | vontrapp | tene: reread a changed partition table and mount the drive? |
| 18:09.06 | tene | got more information out of him |
| 18:09.11 | tene | it's related to some backup software |
| 18:09.26 | tene | when you uninstall it and reinstall it, it won't recognize the tape drive until you reboot |
| 18:09.56 | tene | he said 'the software needs to see the tape device and cannot right now because the device is not available.' |
| 18:14.04 | vontrapp | is there a way to make master channel affect the headphone channel with alsa? |
| 18:14.39 | vontrapp | e.g. if you turn down master volume, the headphone volume remains the same |
| 18:14.48 | vontrapp | is there a way to change that |
| 18:15.15 | tene | change the 'pcm' channel instead of 'master' |
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| 18:26.56 | graphyx | Anyone know of a resterant called Tia ruby? |
| 18:27.06 | graphyx | Or something like that in utah county? |
| 18:28.30 | graphyx | found it. |
| 18:28.32 | graphyx | nvm. |
| 18:29.25 | Maquis | ~lart goozbach |
| 18:29.29 | Maquis | ~lart emcnabb |
| 18:29.31 | Maquis | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:32.13 | goozbach | ~lart the larter |
| 18:32.20 | goozbach | ha! |
| 18:32.22 | goozbach | take that |
| 18:38.13 | graphyx | But who will lart the larter? |
| 18:38.23 | graphyx | I guess Ibot will.. |
| 18:40.48 | goozbach | ~poke maquis |
| 18:40.48 | ibot | but then who will poke the pokers, goozbach? Maquis? |
| 18:41.00 | goozbach | ~ticke maquis |
| 18:41.09 | goozbach | ~tickle Maquis |
| 18:41.09 | ibot | ACTION jumps on Maquis, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 19:02.41 | graphyx | jsmith: When files are included in asterisk configuration, (For example extensions.conf contains #include extensions_additional.conf) could I put a file that is loaded before with a command for exten => s,1,blah. and have it override anything that might show up in later included configuration files? |
| 19:03.06 | graphyx | I just want to figure out a way to have custom stuff that won't get blown away by AMP config changes.. |
| 19:27.55 | mrpull | what is the deal with all of the inmates getting letters printed in Linux Journal? |
| 19:35.05 | hans | inmates? |
| 19:35.11 | sjansen | Q: How many designers does it take to replace a light bulb? |
| 19:35.11 | sjansen | A: Does it have to be a light bulb? |
| 19:35.32 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 19:37.29 | sjansen | Ho boy, Plugs on fire again. |
| 19:37.59 | dataw0lf | Yeah. |
| 19:38.01 | Bradipo | sjansen: I noticed that I have received almost 50 messages since yesterday... |
| 19:38.08 | Bradipo | Haven't had a chance to find out why though. |
| 19:38.20 | dataw0lf | it must be painful to have to defend Java |
| 19:39.09 | hans | Bradipo: just your standard java banter |
| 19:39.21 | RyanE | but fortunately for them, they can type very long-winded replies, since all that typing as given them Strong Wrists. |
| 19:39.26 | hans | with the occasional Language X can do Y too! |
| 19:39.30 | RyanE | s/as/has |
| 19:39.48 | dataw0lf | RyanE: hehe |
| 19:45.36 | bwhiteley | Bradipo: I'm new to the plug list since three days ago, so the recent traffic isn't the norm? |
| 19:45.56 | Bradipo | Define the norm. :-) |
| 19:46.09 | Bradipo | Sometimes it comes in floods sometimes just a trickle. |
| 19:46.50 | Bradipo | I was simply making the observation that something must be going on due the large number of messages. |
| 19:47.04 | Bradipo | And pluglist is often times a low volume list. |
| 19:47.57 | bwhiteley | Bradipo: ok. I guess I'll wait a bit before deciding whether to pull the plug (pun intended). |
| 19:48.22 | Bradipo | Well, right now there appear to be a number of different threads so that could contribute. |
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| 20:09.40 | hans | hmm. I'm trying to set up pam_ldap, and it's not working. pam keeps making crazy queries of the ldap server like this: filter="(uid=NOUSER)" |
| 20:09.47 | hans | any ideas? |
| 20:10.18 | JavaHater | hans: Probably a Java related problem. |
| 20:10.47 | JavaHater | What does your pam config look like? |
| 20:10.54 | hans | JavaHater: yeah, that's got to be it. too bad this is a RHEL box or you could blame debian too :-) |
| 20:11.38 | hans | it's a bit convoluted because I used authconfig, but it looks straightforward enough. here's /etc/pam.d/system-auth relevant pieces |
| 20:11.52 | DebianVictim | I don't blame Debian. I've simply pointed out multiple times that it doesn't like me. |
| 20:12.13 | hans | auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_env.so |
| 20:12.21 | hans | auth sufficient pam_unix.so likeauth nullok |
| 20:12.29 | hans | auth sufficient pam_ldap.so use_first_pass |
| 20:12.38 | hans | ... |
| 20:12.42 | hans | account required pam_unix.so |
| 20:13.13 | hans | account [default=bad success=ok user_unknown=ignore service_err=ignore system_err=ignore] pam_ldap.so |
| 20:13.28 | hans | where I leave off boring paths and have left out stuff where th ... is |
| 20:13.57 | hans | password is sufficient in the same spot as the others. |
| 20:14.17 | hans | nullok use_authtok md5 shadow |
| 20:14.31 | hans | oops, no those are the options to pam_unix |
| 20:14.45 | hans | password sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so use_authtok |
| 20:15.19 | hans | i'm no pam expert, but afaict that _should_ do it. |
| 20:17.57 | DebianVictim | let's approach this from the opposite direction: |
| 20:18.17 | sjansen | what does 'getent passwd' give you? do the ldap users show up? |
| 20:18.45 | hans | yup, in all their glory. (/etc/nsswitch.conf) |
| 20:19.22 | sjansen | so it's just when they actually try to login that it's not working? |
| 20:19.29 | hans | right |
| 20:19.39 | hans | i'm testing by ssh localhost -l zaphod |
| 20:20.27 | hans | checked /etc/pam.d/sshd - it defers to system-auth |
| 20:21.32 | sjansen | have you rebooted since adding ldap authencation? |
| 20:21.40 | hans | no |
| 20:21.58 | hans | surely I wouldn't need to |
| 20:22.21 | hans | hmm |
| 20:22.50 | hans | well I might could get away with rebooting this test server, but come time to put it on production that's not going to be an option |
| 20:23.50 | hans | ah. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=119353 |
| 20:25.30 | hans | so it's an ssh bug |
| 20:28.17 | vontrapp | what's the sshd config to allow port forwarding from outside hosts? |
| 20:28.27 | hans | ok now it's asking for the right uid. it's asking about shadowAccount stuff which I don't have (yet?) . What's the point of shadowAccount when you can just set an ACL on userPassword? |
| 20:54.34 | hans | ok, got it working. last magic word was to take ldap off the shadow line in nsswitch.conf |
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| 21:03.37 | hans | i don't suppose there's an easy and efficient way of changing someone's UID (and all their files) |
| 21:03.59 | tene | well, uid is in /etc/passwd |
| 21:04.04 | tene | and can be changed with usermod |
| 21:04.08 | Jayce^ | chown -R uid |
| 21:04.18 | tene | you can find all the files owned by that user with 'find' |
| 21:04.30 | Jayce^ | don't even have to find, chown -R at root |
| 21:04.35 | tene | heh |
| 21:04.36 | Jayce^ | with the find |
| 21:04.49 | tene | chown -R user / |
| 21:04.52 | hans | yeah, I thought of a script that runs find and I've done that in the past |
| 21:04.53 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 21:05.06 | tene | find -args | xargs |
| 21:05.10 | hans | but it's not exactly kind to the load |
| 21:05.14 | Lone_Wanderer | anyone here have a minute to help me with a scripting problem? (bash/possibly some other things) |
| 21:05.17 | tene | use 'nice' |
| 21:05.23 | tene | sure, LW. |
| 21:05.32 | tene | 'nice' is nice to the load |
| 21:05.34 | hans | well it's the diskio |
| 21:05.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I've got a script, mktp, that just copies a template file to a new filename that I pass it - cp template.php "$1" |
| 21:06.25 | Lone_Wanderer | what I'd like is to be able to pass the script a new filename, then any number of words, and have the script insert everything after the first argument onto line 3 and after column 11 of the file |
| 21:06.38 | Lone_Wanderer | and then drop me into vim |
| 21:06.56 | Lone_Wanderer | or, drop me into vim in such a way that vim will insert the string in the appropriate place |
| 21:07.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I could do it all manually but I'm feeling lazy |
| 21:09.40 | levi | Anyone here try running OS X on generic PC hardware yet? |
| 21:12.32 | Maquis | 060383757236 President's Choice Anodized Non-Stick Milkpan |
| 21:15.05 | levi | Maquis: Eh? |
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| 21:20.17 | Maquis | levi: it's from upcdatabase.com |
| 21:20.21 | Maquis | (i have to go there a lot...) |
| 21:20.24 | Maquis | it looked funny |
| 21:26.29 | hans | sles9 only has samba2?! |
| 21:42.29 | Lone_Wanderer | so anyway... is what I want to do possible and/or easy? |
| 21:46.03 | neybar_laptop | Lone_Wanderer, that sounds like a reasonable thing to do |
| 21:46.13 | Lone_Wanderer | how? |
| 21:46.40 | hans | man vim |
| 21:46.42 | jsmith | Maquis: President's Choice -- isn't that the semi-generic Canadian supermarket brand? |
| 21:46.56 | neybar_laptop | your first method sounds the best. Read in your template, swap out the variables that are supplied through the command line, write out that new file then fire up vim on it. |
| 21:47.07 | hans | see the + stuff, espceially |
| 21:47.09 | hans | and -c |
| 21:47.21 | Lone_Wanderer | you mean you want me to think for myself? :O |
| 21:47.40 | neybar_laptop | lol |
| 21:48.00 | Lone_Wanderer | As a product of the US education system, I am capable of nothing that has not been spoon fed to me. (Okay give me a minute, I'll probably have questions.) |
| 21:48.08 | hans | let's see, 23rd line and 15th column? |
| 21:48.18 | Lone_Wanderer | 3rd line, after the 11th column |
| 21:48.20 | hans | vim +23G15l |
| 21:48.35 | hans | maybe even tack an i or a on the end there |
| 21:49.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Just pick an i or an a at random? |
| 21:49.24 | hans | then make a habit of ctrl-g when it starts to make sure you are where you want to be, in case the file has too few lines/columns |
| 21:49.31 | hans | i will insert, a append |
| 21:49.43 | hans | you probably want i |
| 21:49.44 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh okay |
| 21:49.50 | hans | or maybe R ;-) |
| 21:50.16 | Lone_Wanderer | ermmm |
| 21:50.28 | Lone_Wanderer | vim employee_login.html +23G151 gives me a command line error |
| 21:50.38 | Lone_Wanderer | as does switching the filename and the string |
| 21:53.26 | Maquis | jsmith: no ide |
| 21:53.27 | Maquis | a |
| 21:55.31 | Lone_Wanderer | vim -c "3G7li" employee_login.html should (if I'm reading man vim right) give me what I want but I'm still getting a command line error =\ (using bash) |
| 21:55.47 | Lone_Wanderer | no, not a command line error |
| 21:55.52 | Lone_Wanderer | E492: Not an editor command: 3G7li |
| 22:13.27 | tene | it wants ex-style commands there |
| 22:13.41 | hans | man suse is just losing points today |
| 22:13.44 | hans | no nss_ldap either |
| 22:16.14 | jsmith | hans: What, suseconfig wasn't enough for you? |
| 22:16.38 | jsmith | hans: That's reason enough to drop it on its head |
| 22:17.33 | hans | I make it a rule to avoid all configuration programs, so I've never run into this suseconfig thing |
| 22:17.41 | hans | unless it's yast of which you speak, and we've had our battles. |
| 22:18.13 | hans | sles9 you would think would be a sufficiently modern distro, but it doesn't have jack in the way of ldap and has an ancient version of samba |
| 22:20.24 | jsmith | hans: Yeah, I didn't like sles9 either... then again, I didn't like SuSE 8, 7, etc. |
| 22:28.41 | hans | ah, a get out of jail free card. sles9 does have nss_ldap, I just don't have it installe.d |
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| 22:48.20 | vontrapp | *sigh* |
| 22:48.44 | vontrapp | junctions+closures, yummy |
| 22:50.20 | jsmith | vontrapp: junctions and closures, as in Thistle Junction and the Highway 6 closures? |
| 22:51.25 | hans | buahaha. pam and samba ldap authentication, what joy |
| 22:51.59 | hans | never again will I have to add a system user and copy smbpasswd entries from one server to another for one stupid lame share. |
| 23:22.38 | xbmodder | lolo |
| 23:34.56 | levi | lol = 'I'm laughing out loud' lolo = 'I am an idiot who can't even bother to type stupid abbreviations properly' |
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