| 00:05.27 | xbmodder | lol |
| 00:05.34 | xbmodder | ~emulate xbmodder |
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| 00:37.35 | Maquis | 2.5 weeks |
| 00:47.13 | Maquis | 5/2 == 2.5 |
| 00:47.40 | Maquis | what other pairs can you flip the order of digits and switch between / and .? |
| 00:47.59 | Maquis | (i just discovered this odd fact about 2.5) |
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| 01:02.22 | xbmodder | Maquis, 0/0 and 0.0 |
| 01:03.37 | xbmodder | ~emulate dib |
| 01:03.37 | ibot | Oh you're just *begging* to face the MOOSE. |
| 01:03.48 | xbmodder | ~emulate dib |
| 01:03.48 | ibot | Oh you're just *begging* to face the MOOSE. |
| 01:11.05 | Maquis | hmmm.. |
| 01:11.09 | Maquis | what is 0/0? |
| 01:11.41 | Maquis | xbmodder: according to xcalc (and i believe most math people), you're wrong... |
| 01:11.50 | Maquis | 0/0 = not a number |
| 01:12.01 | Maquis | amcnabb: you want to verify? |
| 01:12.22 | Maquis | amcnabb will be able to verify since he knows math better than i do... |
| 01:14.49 | Maquis | i vaguely recall struggling a bit with the reasoning behind having 0/0 undefined. I understand why other numbers divided by 0 are undefined, but i can't recall ever being given a better explanation than "because it is" for why 0/0 is undefined |
| 01:20.56 | amcnabb | Topher says, "That's why girls aren't allowed to do math." |
| 01:21.13 | amcnabb | You can't divide _anything_ by zero. |
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| 02:21.27 | scott | anyone know, is there a way to launch documents in mc but keep using it? enter ties it up while the document is open |
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| 02:22.16 | mindjuju | any java programmers in the house? |
| 02:23.17 | tensai | mindjuju: maybe, what's up? |
| 02:23.39 | mindjuju | i have some java code that i need to change into a jar |
| 02:24.01 | mindjuju | i don't really write java, but came unto some code that could be changed into a jar, but i don't know how to |
| 02:25.05 | tensai | check out the 'jar' command. it works much like tar or zip. |
| 02:25.24 | tensai | or <jar> in your ant build script |
| 02:25.39 | mindjuju | that jar command only seems to come in the java sdk which is like a 150mb download |
| 02:26.16 | mindjuju | was wondering if there was another way |
| 02:28.14 | tensai | well, jar is just a superset of zip. if you want to hand-craft your MANIFEST, you could use zip. |
| 02:28.22 | tensai | but the java sdk is only 20MB at most |
| 02:28.47 | tensai | you could also use jar from gcj if that's smaller |
| 02:30.06 | tensai | ok, maybe 35MB |
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| 03:04.50 | byronc | c |
| 03:05.03 | byronc | oops, this isn't the mutt window |
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| 03:18.23 | Maquis | byronc: :) |
| 03:18.34 | byronc | Maquis: hello |
| 03:18.38 | Maquis | hi |
| 03:18.40 | Maquis | how's it going? |
| 03:19.09 | byronc | great |
| 03:19.19 | byronc | just getting ready for the uug presentation |
| 03:19.39 | Maquis | cool |
| 03:19.47 | Maquis | when's the presentation and what's it on? |
| 03:19.59 | Maquis | (somehow i never hear these things.......) |
| 03:20.04 | byronc | fuse, tomorrow night |
| 03:20.11 | Maquis | fuse? |
| 03:20.33 | Maquis | ~wiki fuse |
| 03:20.46 | byronc | it's a userspace filesystem library |
| 03:20.49 | Maquis | ibot: thanks... that was... helpful? |
| 03:20.49 | ibot | Maquis: de nada |
| 03:21.17 | Maquis | byronc: ummm... i might maybe have the most vague of ideas what you're talking about... |
| 03:23.52 | Maquis | byronc: let me see if i'm making sense of this... |
| 03:24.34 | Maquis | fuse allows you to create a virtual filesystem which sits on top of your normal filesystem (ext3 or fat or whatever) and provides an interface of some sort? |
| 03:24.53 | Maquis | or am i way off? |
| 03:25.38 | byronc | only the part about having to sit on top of your normal filesystem, it can be purely network based or generate data from a service (e.g. svn) |
| 03:26.30 | byronc | the demo for the meeting displays information from /etc/passwd |
| 03:26.44 | Maquis | ok... so it can either sit on top of a filesystem or on top of a service, but you can use it as an interface to that... |
| 03:26.50 | byronc | mostly because it's easy to parse and everyone has that file |
| 03:26.50 | Maquis | here's a question |
| 03:28.00 | Maquis | let's say that you are writing some sort of program that needs to get various information from the filesystem, but you want it to be usable for a wide variety of filesystems... |
| 03:28.46 | Maquis | can you then make an abstraction of a filesystem, including all the different tasks that your program will need to use... and then use fuse to create an interface for each of the filesystems that you want to support? |
| 03:29.12 | byronc | Maquis: why would you want to do that? that's what the kernel vfs layer is for |
| 03:29.29 | Maquis | kernel vfs layer? |
| 03:30.16 | byronc | the kernel vfs layer sits on top of the filesystems (reiser, ext3, jfs, xfs) and provides a common interface, a posix file system |
| 03:30.16 | Maquis | mmk... so then i guess i might still not fully see what it's used for, then... |
| 03:31.24 | byronc | so, say you want to see your subversion repository as a filesystem, you may want it to have subdirectories like /revisions and /users |
| 03:31.43 | byronc | when viewing /revisions you would see a directory for every revision in the repository |
| 03:31.51 | byronc | you can carry that out as far as you want |
| 03:32.50 | byronc | what fuse allows you to do is to provide all the logic to tell what a certian filename contains so when the user asks for the revisions/123/ directory, your fuse program would query subversion to find out about that revision and show the user the contents of the repository at that point |
| 03:33.26 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 03:33.39 | byronc | that's not working is it :) |
| 03:33.46 | Maquis | that wouldn't happen to help prevent svn from randomly deleting it's repository every once in a while, would it? |
| 03:33.58 | Maquis | byronc: not really, but that's ok... i'm a bit farther behind... :) |
| 03:34.02 | byronc | no, it just acts as a client to subversion |
| 03:34.10 | Maquis | too bad... |
| 03:34.19 | Maquis | i need to find a version control system that doesn't hate me... |
| 03:34.27 | byronc | the most common use for it right now is to use gmail as a filesystem |
| 03:34.29 | Maquis | (or maybe just a computer that doesn't hate me) |
| 03:34.37 | Maquis | byronc: hmmm... that sounds interesting... |
| 03:34.51 | byronc | which svn backend are you using fs or db? |
| 03:35.01 | Maquis | byronc: i've tried both |
| 03:35.15 | Maquis | before i came home for the summer, i was using db |
| 03:35.42 | byronc | svn with a db backend on gentoo is... hmmm... daring |
| 03:35.46 | Maquis | currently, neither since it deleted itself... i've got my repositories saved in two places in utah, but i don't have them anywhere around here... |
| 03:36.21 | Maquis | byronc: i was using fs, but it was causing other weird issues and someone recommended trying the bdb backend because it had more support |
| 03:38.03 | Maquis | byronc: i have horrible luck with computers for some reason... i think part of it is that i tend to be "brave" as you say it.... :) |
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| 03:40.49 | Maquis | byronc: i wish i could come to the presentation tomorrow... it sounds interesting |
| 03:40.58 | Maquis | your kernel presentation last year was really cool |
| 03:44.32 | hans | so blow me down, someone told me today that BYU isn't charging for parking permits anymore. I don't quite believe him |
| 03:45.11 | Maquis | hans: i don't believe him either |
| 03:48.16 | Maquis | hans: torriem is with us... so yeah... the guy was crazy (and a bit overly optimistic) |
| 03:50.17 | hans | torriem is with you at amazon? |
| 03:50.31 | Maquis | no |
| 03:50.44 | Maquis | he's with us in the thought that the guy saying that parking is free is crazy |
| 03:51.32 | hans | that's odd. nmsu online registration only works between 8am and 6pm |
| 03:51.49 | Maquis | hans: online registration has hours? |
| 03:51.51 | Maquis | that's crazy? |
| 03:51.55 | hans | yes, it is crazy. |
| 03:51.55 | Maquis | s/?/! |
| 03:52.26 | hans | someone doesn't quite grasp the online concept |
| 03:52.51 | Maquis | yeah |
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| 03:59.51 | Maquis | wow... it might actually be true? |
| 03:59.54 | Maquis | http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/56234 |
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| 04:17.22 | hans | I find this hard to believe: |
| 04:17.32 | hans | With 28 lots, there is enough space for every student who wants to park there, Jenkins said. |
| 04:17.48 | hans | they were crowded enough when you had to pay |
| 04:17.56 | hans | unless they finished that faculty garage... |
| 04:18.33 | byronc | and are counting the lots by the stadium |
| 04:21.08 | hans | best of luck with that, but it's sure gonna be more fair to wyview/wymount tenants than paying for everyones bus passes. |
| 04:22.49 | Maquis | grrr |
| 04:23.24 | Maquis | no point in getting a pass with the way that things are... |
| 04:24.55 | Maquis | i'll just live with the whole "no parking til after 4" rule, i guess |
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| 05:12.42 | xbmodder | Maquis, yes I agree 0/0 is undefined. |
| 05:19.09 | levi | What brought up the 0/0 thing? |
| 05:20.39 | Maquis | levi: what was the resolution to it? i didn't see after my comments because somebody killed the host i was running irc on *cough* Newsome *cough* |
| 05:21.04 | levi | Maquis: The resolution to what? |
| 05:22.24 | Maquis | well... i was looking for some confirmation of what i was thinking was true, along with an explanation of why... |
| 05:22.35 | levi | Why 0/0 is undefined? |
| 05:23.15 | levi | Division by zero is generally undefined, because it leads to a total meltdown if you define it to be a number. |
| 05:23.23 | Maquis | (and it came up because i randomly noticed that 2.5 == 5/2 and wanted to know if there are any other sets of numbers where you can flip the order of the digits and switch from / to . |
| 05:23.45 | Maquis | levi: i can understand that when you're dividing a non-zero value by zero |
| 05:24.00 | Maquis | i have trouble understanding it in terms of 0/0 |
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| 05:24.24 | levi | Why? If x/0 is undefined, it's still undefined when x = 0. |
| 05:24.24 | Maquis | anyway, i can't really discuss it now because it's past bedtime already |
| 05:24.35 | Maquis | x/x is 1 |
| 05:24.39 | Maquis | 0/x is 0 |
| 05:24.44 | Maquis | so... |
| 05:24.52 | dataw0lf- | good evening everyone. |
| 05:24.56 | Maquis | gnight dataw0lf- |
| 05:25.03 | levi | But x/0 is undefined. :) |
| 05:25.08 | dataw0lf- | g'night Maquis |
| 05:25.15 | levi | G'night. |
| 05:25.16 | Maquis | anyway levi, if you're on tomorrow, i'll discuss with you then... |
| 05:25.21 | Maquis | i really need some sleep right now |
| 05:25.27 | dataw0lf- | mmm sleep |
| 05:25.30 | Maquis | sorry... |
| 05:25.32 | levi | I'll be on in the morning, I'll be camping all weekend after noon, though. |
| 05:25.35 | Maquis | dataw0lf-: no kidding |
| 05:25.37 | Maquis | mmk |
| 05:25.43 | dataw0lf- | alas got projects to work on :\ |
| 05:25.44 | Maquis | i'll see if i can catch you in the morning... |
| 05:25.44 | levi | I'm sure there will be other math-oriented people around, though. |
| 05:25.56 | dataw0lf- | have some good sleep, Maquis |
| 05:25.57 | Maquis | i was hoping amcnabb would comment... but if he did, then i didn't see it |
| 05:26.02 | Maquis | dataw0lf-: will do... u2 |
| 05:26.08 | dataw0lf- | levi: where you going acamping? |
| 05:26.12 | Maquis | anyway levi, i'm crashing |
| 05:26.12 | dataw0lf- | Maquis: hehe, hopefully. |
| 05:26.12 | Maquis | gnight |
| 05:26.27 | levi | dataw0lf-: Mt. Nebo |
| 05:26.41 | dataw0lf- | levi: ah, don't know where that is. |
| 05:26.50 | dataw0lf- | Mountains == cool, though :) |
| 05:27.42 | levi | It's right next to Layton. |
| 05:27.58 | levi | Which is a little south of Spanish Fork. |
| 05:28.14 | dataw0lf- | gotcha |
| 05:28.53 | dataw0lf- | passed by there on my way to DefCon... always thought Spanish Fork was north :\ |
| 05:28.57 | RyanE | First of all, Layton is north SLC Co. |
| 05:29.05 | RyanE | Spanish Fork is south Ut Co. |
| 05:29.09 | dataw0lf- | Lehi mayhap he means? |
| 05:29.12 | RyanE | I think you mean Payson |
| 05:29.17 | RyanE | no, Lehi is N. Ut. County |
| 05:29.32 | dataw0lf- | not like I really _care_ |
| 05:29.36 | RyanE | hehe |
| 05:29.40 | dataw0lf- | ;) |
| 05:29.43 | levi | Er, Payson, yeah. |
| 05:29.46 | RyanE | yeah, but it's so uncommon for me to know something... :) |
| 05:30.12 | dataw0lf- | point taken! |
| 05:30.15 | dataw0lf- | j/k |
| 05:30.18 | levi | I had Layton in my brain from the tornado warnings yesterday. |
| 05:30.28 | dataw0lf- | there were tornado warnings yesterday? |
| 05:30.51 | dataw0lf- | dude, I looked outside and I was like 'That's midwest weather right there' but never thought there'd be a tornado in Utah, despite the famous one I've heard of |
| 05:31.10 | RyanE | Funnel clouds form quite often, but rarely touch down |
| 05:31.10 | levi | Yeah, there was a spinny cloud out over Antelope Island. It petered out before it hit land, though. |
| 05:31.14 | dataw0lf- | you ever seen the sky turn really, really green? |
| 05:31.40 | RyanE | funnel clouds over Ut. Lake have made the paper before. Slow news days, of course. :) |
| 05:32.56 | levi | I often see it turn really black, though. And really blue. |
| 05:33.18 | dataw0lf- | hehe |
| 05:33.25 | dataw0lf- | dude, go to the midwest sometime in the spring. |
| 05:33.44 | dataw0lf- | Central Illinois / Indiana |
| 05:33.49 | dataw0lf- | the storms there are insane. |
| 05:34.01 | RyanE | and the freezing rain is pretty wicked, too. |
| 05:34.08 | RyanE | I lived 7 months in Decatur. |
| 05:34.14 | levi | The storms here are plenty insane for me. I could do just fine without nasty storms. |
| 05:34.16 | dataw0lf- | hehe, yeah. |
| 05:34.22 | dataw0lf- | levi: hehe. |
| 05:34.36 | levi | The weather in San Diego is just about right for me. |
| 05:34.45 | RyanE | always like 75 *is* nice. |
| 05:34.45 | dataw0lf- | I can feel you there. |
| 05:34.52 | dataw0lf- | I'm more of a Oregon type of guy though, to be honest. |
| 05:35.02 | dataw0lf- | I don't like the mild - hot weather much |
| 05:35.41 | dataw0lf- | I just love the west, I'm glad I finally got the chance to move back out here. |
| 05:35.52 | RyanE | what do you mean "mild-hot"? Mild - Hot == Cold? :) |
| 05:36.06 | dataw0lf- | Very funny. |
| 05:36.13 | dataw0lf- | How about RyanE - talking |
| 05:36.15 | dataw0lf- | ;) |
| 05:36.18 | RyanE | HAHAHAHA |
| 05:36.29 | dataw0lf- | Just playing with you bro. |
| 05:36.31 | RyanE | that's a mathematical impossibility. |
| 05:37.14 | levi | I'd like Oregon coastal weather a lot more if there were fewer clouds and rain. |
| 05:37.36 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: you can subtract from a zero! |
| 05:37.38 | dataw0lf- | :) |
| 05:37.49 | dataw0lf- | levi: yeah, I want to live on the Oregon coast eventually. |
| 05:37.49 | RyanE | Oregon is nice. No one on the beaches. |
| 05:39.06 | levi | My wife and I hiked up to the top of Multnomah Falls while we were driving out to our wedding open house in Washington. She was ready to kill me afterwards... it was a little steep for her. ;) |
| 05:39.11 | RyanE | and Multnomah Falls is pretty cool, too. I love oregon, but I don't think I'd care to move there. |
| 05:40.33 | RyanE | I haven't been up there in 20 years, and my wife's never been there. Maybe that needs to come up on the wheel-o-vacations. |
| 05:41.06 | dataw0lf- | Man, I swear, I'm the only unmarried person in #utah |
| 05:41.09 | dataw0lf- | or Utah ;) |
| 05:53.49 | levi | Time for bed. G'night! |
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| 06:09.27 | bigdog_ut | RyanE actually layton is davis county |
| 06:09.33 | bigdog_ut | north of north slc |
| 06:09.47 | RyanE | valid point |
| 06:10.17 | RyanE | I worked in a company in Kaysville, but north of SLC is all still pretty much the same to me. :) |
| 06:10.23 | RyanE | since I worked at home. |
| 06:10.38 | bigdog_ut | RyanE, where you work at? |
| 06:10.51 | RyanE | I *used* to work for Claredi Corp. http://www.claredi.com |
| 06:11.05 | RyanE | but I recently changed jobs, so now I work at Control4. http://www.control4.com. |
| 06:11.07 | bigdog_ut | not anymore? |
| 06:11.12 | RyanE | nope |
| 06:11.26 | dataw0lf- | bigdog_ut: see priv for my new number |
| 06:11.34 | RyanE | working at home was nice, but |
| 06:11.41 | RyanE | Control4 just looked too much fun. |
| 06:12.21 | bigdog_ut | you worked edi crap at claredi |
| 06:12.31 | RyanE | mostly web development, but some edi crap. |
| 06:12.36 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 06:12.38 | bigdog_ut | done that |
| 06:12.40 | RyanE | some MIME-decoding and verification stuff as well. |
| 06:12.47 | RyanE | for the 275 transaction |
| 06:12.56 | RyanE | we did HIPAA validation. |
| 06:13.00 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 06:13.02 | bigdog_ut | done that too |
| 06:13.07 | RyanE | good company but a bit boring. |
| 06:13.14 | bigdog_ut | where is control4 at? |
| 06:13.18 | RyanE | the work, not the company or co-workers... |
| 06:13.22 | RyanE | off 123rd |
| 06:13.32 | RyanE | like 25-30 minute commute |
| 06:13.39 | bigdog_ut | what do they do? |
| 06:13.44 | RyanE | Home Automation |
| 06:14.26 | RyanE | I used to work for Phast, which also did Home Automation, 5 or so years ago. |
| 06:14.51 | bigdog_ut | what do you do for them? |
| 06:15.17 | RyanE | C++ / C#. Bit-twiddling 3rd-party product integration |
| 06:15.56 | dataw0lf- | sounds like interesting work. |
| 06:16.07 | dataw0lf- | primary platform is Linux? |
| 06:16.08 | RyanE | so like Security Panels, Lighting Control systems, HVAC systems. I write drivers to talk to them over RS232 |
| 06:16.33 | RyanE | all the devices run Linux, configuration / setup software is Windows |
| 06:16.47 | RyanE | so we cross-compile most everything that's C++. |
| 06:17.04 | bigdog_ut | sounds boring...lol |
| 06:17.19 | RyanE | that's the kind of thing that I really *enjoy*. :) |
| 06:17.27 | RyanE | I love the bit-twiddling stuff. |
| 06:17.39 | xbmodder | RyanE, lol |
| 06:17.48 | RyanE | figuring out protocols and talking to stuff is cool. |
| 06:18.09 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: Definitely. |
| 06:18.29 | RyanE | a lot better than boring business web apps. Been there, done that. |
| 06:18.29 | bigdog_ut | i would love to do that...i tend to do more sys admin stuff lately that i hate |
| 06:18.49 | bigdog_ut | doing that |
| 06:18.59 | bigdog_ut | actually doing some killer enterprise stuff that is nice |
| 06:19.00 | RyanE | dog: are you a bit-twiddler? Do you know C# and C++, esp. C++? |
| 06:19.24 | bigdog_ut | c++/c |
| 06:19.37 | RyanE | some of the enterprise datacenter stuff I did at Intel was fun, actually. |
| 06:19.37 | bigdog_ut | havent done it for a couple years doing alot of java now |
| 06:19.38 | dataw0lf- | administration / security <3 it. |
| 06:19.48 | dataw0lf- | all I do for programming nowadays is C. |
| 06:20.00 | dataw0lf- | Wish there were more Python contracts out there. |
| 06:20.04 | RyanE | I prefer C myself, but I'm getting pretty good at the C++ |
| 06:20.04 | RyanE | hehe |
| 06:20.06 | RyanE | yeah |
| 06:20.31 | RyanE | I would learn Python or Ruby, but I'm just too dang busy. |
| 06:20.45 | dataw0lf- | Yeah, C is my favorite language. |
| 06:20.49 | dataw0lf- | Followed closely by Python. |
| 06:20.58 | dataw0lf- | Well, Python is my favorite language, but I enjoy C more. |
| 06:21.01 | RyanE | Java is my least favorite, C my favorite. |
| 06:21.09 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: ah, a kindred spirit. |
| 06:21.56 | RyanE | yeah, a kindred spirit in an older, fatter body. :) |
| 06:22.25 | dataw0lf- | hehe. |
| 06:22.29 | dataw0lf- | Yeah, can't argue with that. |
| 06:22.39 | dataw0lf- | I'm pretty young and pretty sexy / good shape ;) |
| 06:22.45 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 06:22.57 | bigdog_ut | but got bet down by a girl in arm wrestling |
| 06:23.02 | RyanE | you're too sexy for your shirt... |
| 06:23.13 | RyanE | you do your little turn on the catwalk. |
| 06:23.28 | RyanE | yeah, I liked the pictures from def. |
| 06:23.34 | RyanE | fun fun |
| 06:24.36 | xbmodder | cool |
| 06:25.26 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: where'd you find those at? hehe |
| 06:25.39 | RyanE | you posted the link here |
| 06:25.44 | RyanE | or someone else did |
| 06:25.45 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 06:25.50 | RyanE | I saw the arm-wrestling as well. |
| 06:26.00 | dataw0lf- | :) |
| 06:26.12 | bigdog_ut | we got them from diskotec |
| 06:26.22 | xbmodder | dataw0lf-, you got like less than a choice of a few thousand women |
| 06:26.37 | dataw0lf- | bigdog_ut: ah. |
| 06:26.46 | dataw0lf- | xbmodder: you make no sense, sir. |
| 06:27.45 | dataw0lf- | I'm a pretty sexeh guy, I have alot more than a few thousand to pick from :) |
| 06:28.26 | bigdog_ut | like 1999+ |
| 06:29.16 | dataw0lf- | to the 3rd power!1! |
| 06:29.22 | dataw0lf- | yeah, I'm full of myself. |
| 06:29.43 | dataw0lf- | but at least it's warranted, eh? eh?? |
| 06:29.57 | xbmodder | dataw0lf-, hmm |
| 06:30.15 | bigdog_ut | psff |
| 06:32.25 | bigdog_ut | man how i love gpg |
| 06:32.29 | xbmodder | dataw0lf-, you have a few thousand that are 'match.com compatible in the US' |
| 06:35.44 | dataw0lf- | xbmodder: wow. that's impressive. |
| 06:36.02 | dataw0lf- | but not as impressive as... |
| 06:36.03 | dataw0lf- | http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=BYHRS8E&key=EYG |
| 06:37.03 | bigdog_ut | he always likes to bring that up |
| 06:37.18 | dataw0lf- | You would too if you were as hawt as me. |
| 06:37.47 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 06:37.52 | dataw0lf- | My eyes are actually green, red eye removal made em brown, btw. |
| 06:37.59 | dataw0lf- | I like walks by the beach and being tied up |
| 06:42.02 | xbmodder | ping |
| 06:43.48 | dataw0lf- | pong |
| 07:07.36 | xbmodder | http://www.big-boys.com/joke.asp?ID=602 |
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| 13:33.38 | levi | Good morning. |
| 13:35.16 | levi | Grr. The power blip last night killed my server, and it has no power on after power fail mode. |
| 13:35.21 | levi | I need a UPS. |
| 13:45.10 | hans | morning |
| 13:45.50 | levi | Morning, hans. |
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| 14:37.40 | levi | Quicksilver is such a cool program. |
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| 15:01.30 | hans | ~lart emcnabb |
| 15:01.41 | emcnabb | ~lart hans |
| 15:01.58 | hans | is that what they teach at guru labs? |
| 15:04.12 | Jayce | really? |
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| 15:15.14 | Maquis | ~lart amcnabb |
| 15:15.54 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 15:16.01 | Maquis | not much variety in larts this morning |
| 15:16.05 | Maquis | ~lart Jayce^ |
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| 15:17.08 | tensai | customer support: "I've got a problem with an email address can you fix it?" |
| 15:17.14 | tensai | me: "sure, what's the email address" |
| 15:17.29 | tensai | customer support: "I don't know. I think the guy's name was Mark. Does that help?" |
| 15:17.33 | tensai | me: "grrrrr" |
| 15:18.46 | Maquis | tensai: you're supposed to manually check the email addresses of all the people named mark |
| 15:19.03 | tensai | it's a good think mark is such an uncommon name |
| 15:19.07 | Maquis | as well as all people with similar names like matt |
| 15:20.02 | tensai | oh yeah, hadn't thought of that |
| 15:20.08 | tensai | I'll get right on it |
| 15:20.29 | Maquis | :) |
| 15:20.46 | Maquis | in the meantime, send it in to rinkworks.com/stupid |
| 15:26.42 | amcnabb | ibot is starting to cross the line with these insults. :) |
| 15:27.34 | sjansen | ~lart Utah power companies |
| 15:28.46 | sjansen | that probably won't help matter, ibot |
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| 15:33.22 | Maquis | anyone here know how to use outlook? |
| 15:34.44 | graphyx | I try to stay away from Lookout as much as possible.. |
| 15:34.53 | Maquis | yesterday it stopped running the send/receive on its own, so now i have to click the button every once in a while to A) find out if i have new mail, and B) send any emails that i am trying to send... |
| 15:35.11 | vontrapp | great, so now that i live right by a bus stop, i don't get a bus pass anymore and i have to deal with parking, which thing i thought i was done with |
| 15:36.02 | Maquis | vontrapp: i think i'm just going to walk |
| 15:36.02 | vontrapp | why not give each student the choice between a bus pass or a parking permit?! |
| 15:36.22 | vontrapp | some people really can't think |
| 15:37.07 | vontrapp | Maquis: walk from where? |
| 15:38.00 | Maquis | vontrapp: spyglass... |
| 15:38.09 | Maquis | just south of campus |
| 15:38.25 | Maquis | i don't want to deal with parking, particularly when everyone's going to be trying to park there |
| 15:38.42 | vontrapp | well, i do have a bike, time to get it "licensed" and a lock |
| 15:38.43 | Maquis | i don't believe byu's claim that they have "more than enough" parking for all the students |
| 15:38.43 | hans | vontrapp: it's not so bad |
| 15:39.04 | hans | you're not going to pay more than you would have paid in parking, and you can park _and_ use the bus |
| 15:39.38 | hans | vontrapp: start a shuttle |
| 15:39.44 | hans | $.25 a ride, and sell passes |
| 15:40.04 | hans | then go around picking up people at the marriott center and driving them to the center of campus |
| 15:40.04 | vontrapp | hans: except that i was just going to not worry about parking at all, and walk out my complex right to the bus stop |
| 15:40.05 | Maquis | not to mention the fact that I probably will have a shorter walk to school from my apartment than I would have from a good number of the student parking lots |
| 15:40.33 | hans | nmsu has some free and some paid lots, if you care |
| 15:40.42 | hans | and a free shuttle |
| 15:40.54 | Maquis | ~beat sjansen |
| 15:40.54 | ibot | ACTION beats sjansen with a large stick. |
| 15:41.15 | vontrapp | ~dropkick sjansen |
| 15:41.15 | ibot | ACTION sends sjansen flying like a yipping chihuahua |
| 15:41.27 | sjansen | hans, that may be so, but does an honor code office to hang over you like a threat? |
| 15:41.59 | hans | no, I'm sorry to say nobody will be there to punish me when I have stubble |
| 15:42.06 | vontrapp | yeah hans, you're really gonna miss out on the hco experience |
| 15:42.35 | sjansen | ~taunt Maquis and vontrapp |
| 15:43.00 | hans | oh did I mention all my classes will be cool CS classes? |
| 15:43.32 | sjansen | ~taunt Maquis and vontrapp |
| 15:43.32 | ibot | ACTION dangles a diploma in front of Maquis and vontrapp and laughs |
| 15:43.55 | vontrapp | maybe i'll take a drama class and a part that requires a beard |
| 15:44.11 | sjansen | they'll probably make you use a fake one |
| 15:44.17 | sjansen | had a roommate try that |
| 15:44.26 | vontrapp | ah, but how will they know it's not fake? |
| 15:44.50 | sjansen | by the fact that you can't remove it when told to do so |
| 15:44.55 | sjansen | that, and the ketchup stains |
| 15:45.01 | hans | i know at least one person who was in the opera who got a beard card for it |
| 15:45.01 | vontrapp | drat |
| 15:45.17 | vontrapp | beard card |
| 15:45.27 | vontrapp | that would be fun to tout |
| 15:45.40 | hans | shane warby, for you motab fanchildren |
| 15:45.52 | vontrapp | haha "Free as in Beards" |
| 15:46.11 | hans | lol |
| 15:46.43 | hans | so it's free as in parking vs free as in bearsd |
| 15:47.11 | vontrapp | and that doesn't require any form of good grammar or spelling |
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| 16:07.42 | levi | I like grammar and spelling. |
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| 16:13.28 | lars-ut | ~emulate Ms Bitters |
| 16:13.28 | ibot | There's a pigeon on your head! You've got head pigeons! Get to the nurse before they spread to the other children! |
| 16:14.17 | lars-ut | "beard card" - that's funny. |
| 16:14.23 | tene | so... |
| 16:14.31 | tene | trying to install WinXP on a machine |
| 16:14.40 | jsmith | tene: Give up now... |
| 16:15.07 | tene | but right after the initial "I'm going to inspect your system configuration..." or whatever, the screen goes black |
| 16:15.17 | tene | instead of the ugly blue install screen |
| 16:15.21 | amcnabb | Weird |
| 16:15.33 | tene | yeah |
| 16:15.35 | lars-ut | PCI cards? |
| 16:15.48 | tene | I've tried a different monitor and a different video card |
| 16:15.55 | lars-ut | RAM? |
| 16:16.03 | tene | not tried RAM yet, no |
| 16:16.09 | tene | I haven't had time to really beat on it yet |
| 16:16.12 | tene | going to tonight |
| 16:16.13 | jsmith | Any cool SCSI cards, etc? |
| 16:16.15 | tene | nope |
| 16:16.16 | lars-ut | might be worth it to run memtest86 for a few minutes |
| 16:16.25 | tene | well |
| 16:16.29 | tene | the box runs linux just fine |
| 16:16.29 | jsmith | Brand new motherboard? |
| 16:16.36 | tene | nope |
| 16:16.39 | jsmith | tene: So, that doesn't mean it will run Windows... |
| 16:16.48 | tene | and it *did* run windows just fine in the past |
| 16:16.53 | tene | but it came preinstalled |
| 16:17.29 | lars-ut | Are you using the OEM cd to reinstall? |
| 16:18.20 | tene | I'm honestly not sure of the source of the CD that that person has. |
| 16:18.43 | tene | It's Really Shiny, and doesn't have any MS logo on it, or anything. |
| 16:19.01 | tene | looks like it's either pirated, or ugly and distributed with the system |
| 16:19.05 | lars-ut | maybe they need to run the warez update |
| 16:19.08 | tene | so it Might Be, but I'm not sure. |
| 16:19.45 | lars-ut | visible scratches on the media? |
| 16:19.49 | tene | nope |
| 16:20.33 | lars-ut | any strange thoughts? problems with authority? |
| 16:20.51 | tene | authority? |
| 16:21.59 | jsmith | lars-ut: Good one... |
| 16:22.39 | lars-ut | I'd try memtest for about 10 or 15 minutes. If you don't get any errors, try a different version of XP - leave it up to your buddy to get activate it after 30 days are up. |
| 16:23.01 | lars-ut | s/get/ |
| 16:23.45 | lars-ut | jsmith: guess I'm feelin' a little cheeky today |
| 16:24.10 | lars-ut | "Could you describe the ruckus, sir?" |
| 16:24.50 | jsmith | lars-ut: Do you have trouble sleeping? Do you hear voices? |
| 16:25.32 | lars-ut | It's when the voices stop, doctor. I can't stand the silence. |
| 16:25.49 | Jayce^ | Have you ever been a member of the communist part? |
| 16:25.50 | tene | lars-ut: you should get that looked at. Little-cheek is a serious medical condition. |
| 16:25.51 | Jayce^ | party? |
| 16:26.02 | lars-ut | lol |
| 16:26.25 | lars-ut | Have you ever associated with a Windows end-user? |
| 16:26.41 | vontrapp | ok, anyone know how to make something that's floated right to be inside it's containing element anyway? |
| 16:26.42 | lars-ut | tene, what's your plan now, then? |
| 16:27.32 | tene | lars-ut: I'm going to try an AGP vid card (the one I tried before was PCI, normal is onboard) and a different Windows CD. |
| 16:27.54 | lars-ut | Have you disabled the onboard video? |
| 16:27.54 | tene | vontrapp: set 'position: relative' on the containing element |
| 16:27.59 | tene | lars-ut: yeah |
| 16:28.14 | lars-ut | disabled onboard sound? |
| 16:28.19 | tene | not yet |
| 16:28.25 | lars-ut | worth a try |
| 16:28.28 | tene | also going to try stripping and disabling everything I can find. |
| 16:28.41 | tene | and changing random options in the BIOS if it comes to that. |
| 16:28.51 | lars-ut | you can always enable stuff after the install |
| 16:28.54 | tene | yeah |
| 16:28.59 | lars-ut | and make sure the BIOS is updated |
| 16:29.12 | lars-ut | refer to the OEM site |
| 16:29.41 | tene | and if that fails, I'm going to call my uncle up at microsoft and ask him why Microsoft hates me. |
| 16:30.02 | vontrapp | tene: that didn't work |
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| 16:30.17 | jsmith | It's because you've been using that "cancerous" linux stuff... |
| 16:30.27 | tene | vontrapp: link? |
| 16:30.28 | lars-ut | tene: I wouldn't worry about changing too many options in the BIOS other than disabling integrated perioherals. |
| 16:30.46 | tene | lars-ut: yeah, that would more be out of frustration than a belief that it would really help. |
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| 16:31.22 | lars-ut | tene: don't forget to take a 30 minute break away from the proximity of the computer. |
| 16:31.47 | tene | Of course, I could always sacrifice spr on an altar constructed of Windows EULAS. |
| 16:32.00 | lars-ut | that's funny. |
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| 16:32.12 | lars-ut | and evil. |
| 16:32.37 | lars-ut | literal sacrifice |
| 16:32.41 | lars-ut | ~literal sacrifice |
| 16:33.14 | vontrapp | http://admin.residentmap.com/utilities/arbordaleacres.php |
| 16:33.55 | vontrapp | tne: ^^^ |
| 16:34.01 | tene | oh, you mean contained vertically |
| 16:34.03 | tene | not horizontally |
| 16:34.08 | vontrapp | right |
| 16:34.43 | tene | [[[ |
| 16:34.45 | tene | #id:after { |
| 16:34.45 | tene | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.45 | tene | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.45 | tene | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.47 | tene | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.50 | tene | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.52 | tene | } |
| 16:34.55 | tene | ]]] |
| 16:34.58 | tene | want the IE-compatibility bit too? |
| 16:35.07 | vontrapp | probably |
| 16:35.27 | tene | * html #id {height: 1%;} |
| 16:35.27 | tene | /* End hide from IE-mac */ |
| 16:35.33 | tene | err |
| 16:35.50 | tene | /* Hides from IE-mac \*/ |
| 16:35.55 | tene | that line first |
| 16:36.16 | tene | so that's lines 2,3,1 |
| 16:36.20 | tene | it didn't paste right |
| 16:37.20 | vontrapp | so am i supposed to include the [[[ ]]] things? |
| 16:37.23 | tene | no |
| 16:37.30 | vontrapp | didn't work with, works without |
| 16:37.32 | vontrapp | ok |
| 16:37.38 | tene | those are <long quote> and </long quote> |
| 16:38.09 | vontrapp | what exactly does that hide from ie/mac? |
| 16:38.17 | tene | well |
| 16:38.32 | tene | IE needs height: 1% |
| 16:38.39 | tene | but that breaks IE mac |
| 16:38.41 | lars-ut | ~sacrifice spr |
| 16:38.41 | ibot | ACTION sacrifices spr on an altar constructed of Windows EULAS. |
| 16:38.49 | tene | but IE Mac parses comments oddly |
| 16:39.05 | tene | so that first comment isn't seen as terminating on the end of the line |
| 16:39.26 | tene | and doesn't terminate until line 3 on IE-mac |
| 16:39.28 | vontrapp | oh, i was really confused until i realized "IE Mac" was a single entity |
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| 16:40.30 | vontrapp | sow what does the height: 1% do to mozilla and others? |
| 16:40.47 | tene | nothing |
| 16:41.04 | lars-ut | I need a consumer color printer recomendation for a client - everyday kind of stuff, light usage. Suggestions? |
| 16:41.21 | lars-ut | she won't be doing much photo printing |
| 16:41.29 | tene | it's just that IE can freak out in that situation if it doesn't have some sort of height or width specified |
| 16:41.50 | tene | of course, it then proceeds to ignore what you speecified, but it needs it anyway |
| 16:42.04 | tene | that needs to be there because IE doesn't know anything about :after or :before |
| 16:42.12 | lars-ut | That last color printer I recommended was the Canon i9900 - way out of her league. |
| 16:42.46 | tene | of course, some would argue that you should code strictly to standards and actually boycott IE... |
| 16:44.16 | vontrapp | i wish |
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| 16:48.42 | sjansen | altar even |
| 16:49.07 | levi | Maquis: Did you get my email? |
| 16:50.01 | jsmith | sjansen: Spilling camel blood already this morning, eh? |
| 16:50.32 | tene | hmm... |
| 16:50.42 | tene | I wonder where you could get that many Windows EULAs. |
| 16:50.43 | lars-ut | ibot, no sacrifice $victim is <action> sacrifices $victim on an altar of Windows EULAs soaked in the blood of Perl. |
| 16:50.43 | ibot | okay, lars-ut |
| 16:51.08 | lars-ut | sjansen: that should work |
| 16:51.48 | lars-ut | ~assimilate sjansen |
| 16:51.48 | ibot | ACTION jams assimilation tubes into sjansen's neck and injects Borg nanobots. |
| 16:52.11 | lars-ut | sjansen, pay attention. |
| 16:55.11 | lars-ut | tene, let me know how your install turns out. |
| 16:55.28 | tene | will do |
| 16:55.36 | tene | and now I go back to beating my head against PHP. |
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| 16:56.22 | vontrapp | tene: thanks, btw |
| 16:57.15 | tene | np |
| 16:57.48 | tene | I had to learn a lot of CSS recently. |
| 16:58.20 | tene | and I'd still rather do positional css on ie than work with this code. |
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| 17:27.21 | Maquis | levi: yup |
| 17:27.43 | Maquis | levi: haven't had the chance to read it yet, though |
| 17:27.47 | Maquis | but i saw it... |
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| 17:40.24 | tene | Wow, this is cool. |
| 17:40.33 | tene | PHP is claiming a parse error on line 631 |
| 17:40.40 | tene | the file only has 630 lines in it. |
| 17:41.10 | graphyx | That means that you messed up on the final line.. |
| 17:41.11 | jsmith | tene: That usually means it was looking for something (like a closing brace, etc.) at the end of the file, but didn't find it. |
| 17:41.14 | graphyx | Or that you haven't closed it. |
| 17:41.34 | tene | the error is 'unexpected $ on line 631' |
| 17:42.11 | tene | but you're right, I did comment out one too many }s. |
| 17:44.15 | graphyx | That is what I meant when I said you hadn't closed it. |
| 17:44.21 | graphyx | ;) |
| 17:44.21 | tene | yeah |
| 17:44.32 | tene | except it wasn't the final line |
| 17:44.38 | tene | it was near the start of the file |
| 17:45.02 | tene | Wanna know something really cool, though? |
| 17:45.07 | jsmith | Yes. |
| 17:45.34 | tene | In this code, they check if there's a PHPSESSID paramater, and set the session_id to it if it exists. |
| 17:45.37 | tene | Twice. |
| 17:45.56 | tene | No particular reason for it to be done twice, I guess they just like being thorough. |
| 17:45.59 | jsmith | I hate stupid code. |
| 17:46.03 | tene | In case it didn't 'stick' the first time. |
| 17:46.13 | RyanE | gotta love those sticky variables. |
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| 17:46.49 | tene | this is so much cooler than the if(condition);else command(); thing |
| 17:46.52 | jsmith | if (!$session_id_stuck) |
| 17:46.54 | jsmith | { |
| 17:46.59 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.00 | jsmith | } |
| 17:47.00 | tensai | tene: actually, in PHP 5.0 they've made variable sentient. so variable have a choice of whether they want to accept a value or not. |
| 17:47.12 | tene | You know... it wouldn't surprise me. |
| 17:47.15 | tensai | jsmith: ha, ha. I messed up your code. :P |
| 17:47.23 | tene | not on my terminal you didn't. |
| 17:48.15 | jsmith | tensai: Not on my screen... |
| 17:48.44 | tensai | I guess I'm the only one. well, I thought I was cool for a minute there. |
| 17:49.07 | jsmith | If screwing up my code made people cool, I'd be the coolest of all! |
| 17:49.13 | tensai | lol |
| 17:49.18 | tene | The really cool thing is how the login page just... doesn't log in |
| 17:49.22 | tene | I think that's awesome. |
| 17:49.30 | tensai | it's a security feature |
| 17:49.38 | jsmith | tene: Register_globals? |
| 17:49.44 | tene | nope |
| 17:50.10 | tene | it works the first time a user logs in after it's installed, and then doesn't anymore. |
| 17:50.27 | tene | the sessions aren't being stored correctly |
| 17:50.45 | graphyx | Are you passing the parameters to the new page each time? |
| 17:50.50 | tensai | probably need to save the session_id a third time |
| 17:50.51 | tene | well |
| 17:50.58 | graphyx | he.. |
| 17:50.59 | tene | session vars set at the start of the code work |
| 17:51.02 | tene | but not at the end |
| 17:51.15 | tensai | set the session_id every other line of code |
| 17:51.23 | tene | That's about what I'm going to do |
| 17:54.39 | hans | http://www.paulgraham.com/opensource.html |
| 17:56.25 | tensai | why is his favicon the yahoo logo? |
| 17:59.11 | graphyx | Cause he stole it? |
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| 18:06.15 | hans | he works with or is associated with yahoo or something. |
| 18:20.18 | goozbach | again??? |
| 18:20.27 | goozbach | I didn't know you had stopped |
| 18:25.10 | tene | Huh. |
| 18:25.35 | tene | If I set something in $_SESSION before making an XTemplate object, it's saved |
| 18:25.38 | tene | but after, it's not. |
| 18:25.46 | tene | how stupid. |
| 18:26.01 | jsmith | tene: Is something about XTemplate overwriting $_SESSION? |
| 18:26.14 | tene | I sure hope not. |
| 18:26.20 | tene | Because that would be *really* stupid. |
| 18:26.25 | tene | Well, not overwriting |
| 18:26.34 | tene | But making it unwriteable somehow |
| 18:26.36 | jsmith | Well... that's the problem with stupidity... |
| 18:26.57 | jsmith | Unwriteable? |
| 18:27.00 | tene | like |
| 18:27.06 | tene | if I write to it, it doesn't get saved |
| 18:27.12 | tene | after the XTemplate line |
| 18:27.57 | goozbach | thanks lars-ut-away |
| 18:29.50 | lars-ut-away | I'm uhh... away. So I can't answer. Because then I'd have to change my nick _and_ identify. I'd rather just type this long-winded reply saying, "you're welcome". |
| 18:30.24 | lars-ut-away | "Smoke up, Johnny!" |
| 18:30.45 | lars-ut-away | I'm on a Breakfast Club quotes kick today. |
| 18:38.42 | tene | while (list($k,$v)=each($GLOBALS)) |
| 18:38.42 | tene | $GLOB[$k]=$v; |
| 18:38.51 | tene | that's the code that does it |
| 18:39.15 | Maquis | goozbach: well... i took a few minutes off from causing problems |
| 18:39.25 | jsmith | tene: Well duh! |
| 18:41.22 | jsmith | tene: And then $GLOB gets modified, and there goes all your global variables... |
| 18:41.36 | jsmith | tene: Obviously, somebody doesn't know the difference between a shallow copy and a deep copy |
| 18:41.41 | tene | yeah... |
| 18:42.15 | tene | that's odd... |
| 18:42.34 | tene | setting $_SESSION before that code works |
| 18:42.42 | tene | but if I comment it out, it breaks again |
| 18:45.43 | tene | heh |
| 18:47.09 | jsmith | Maquis: gui.buttons.edit_button.disappear()? |
| 18:48.05 | Maquis | ~lart jsmith |
| 18:48.23 | Maquis | it won't listen |
| 18:48.30 | jsmith | Neither will I, obviously... |
| 18:48.41 | Maquis | it would probably help if i knew what variable to look at to determine if it's supposed to show or not |
| 18:49.58 | jsmith | I hate hand-editing config files written 10 years ago by someone in a hurry... |
| 19:02.21 | vontrapp | stupid chill breeze bombarding me from above! |
| 19:13.09 | hans | I am this close to writing a replacement to cupsaddsmb |
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| 19:52.32 | sjansen | ~praise Novell |
| 19:52.32 | ibot | All hail Novell! |
| 19:52.45 | sjansen | ~boo SCO |
| 19:54.11 | sjansen | ~groklaw |
| 19:54.11 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, groklaw is the best place to learn about the SCO lawsuits |
| 19:55.50 | sjansen | If Novell's counterclaims are true, SCO employee should be polishing their resumes because the end might not be pretty. |
| 20:00.16 | tene | I give up. Trying to downgrade to PHP4 |
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| 20:23.39 | Maquis | sjansen: ?? |
| 20:23.44 | Maquis | new development? |
| 20:46.46 | sjansen | recent development, just a couple days ago Novell returned fire on SCO |
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| 20:47.20 | sjansen | basically, Novell would like the courts to freeze all SCO assets so that they get licensing fees Novell thinks its owed |
| 20:48.05 | sjansen | looks like Novell is done playing nice and is ready to go for the jugular |
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| 20:48.33 | sjansen | goozbach, coming or going? |
| 20:50.04 | sjansen | coming at about the same time as new evidence that SCO might have ignored proof that Linux contains no infringing code, SCO's position is starting to look pretty precarious |
| 20:50.04 | graphyx | Hey, keep the door closed.. you letting out all the intelligence... |
| 20:50.12 | graphyx | yeah.. |
| 20:50.26 | goozbach | blasted perl includes are now missing on the box I usually connect from |
| 20:50.31 | graphyx | I am still waiting for the period in which their stock goes down to below where it was before all this crap.. |
| 20:50.41 | goozbach | irssi just core dumped |
| 20:51.56 | vontrapp | ~quote scox |
| 20:51.57 | sjansen | ~core goozbach |
| 20:54.57 | graphyx | ~quote eaby |
| 20:55.02 | graphyx | ~quite ebay |
| 20:55.07 | graphyx | ~quote ebay |
| 20:55.14 | graphyx | ~quote ibm |
| 20:55.17 | tene | ~quote graphyx |
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| 20:56.30 | Maquis | ~quote amzn |
| 20:56.31 | tene | ~quote goozbach_ |
| 20:56.56 | sjansen | ~quote sjansen |
| 20:57.18 | javert42 | ~quote SAGBX |
| 20:57.39 | sjansen | ~quote tene |
| 20:57.46 | sjansen | bah |
| 20:58.17 | tene | Yeah, lots of people feel lame when they compare themselves to me. |
| 20:59.42 | goozbach_ | I'm having an identity crisis |
| 21:00.00 | graphyx | Have you been the victim of identity "Theft" ? |
| 21:00.01 | goozbach | bah! |
| 21:00.16 | sjansen | ~steal goozbach's identity |
| 21:00.22 | goozbach | I'm the one who's stolen it |
| 21:00.27 | sjansen | not botsnack for you, ibot |
| 21:00.38 | graphyx | Ahh... It's the not-evil twin of goozbach! |
| 21:00.44 | sjansen | ~beat goozbach for stealing goozbach's identity |
| 21:00.44 | ibot | ACTION beats goozbach for stealing goozbach's identity with a large stick. |
| 21:00.46 | goozbach | I lost my identity!! |
| 21:01.04 | goozbach | KILL MAIM DESTROY!!! |
| 21:01.30 | goozbach_ | Be nice one to another, pet the kitten, ohh look a pretty flower! |
| 21:01.44 | graphyx | ~emulate gir |
| 21:01.44 | ibot | do a little dance! |
| 21:02.17 | goozbach_ | ok now to leave again |
| 21:03.48 | hans | foomatic or not |
| 21:04.33 | hans | any opinions? |
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| 21:05.14 | vontrapp | gnome-cups-manager is good |
| 21:05.33 | goozbach | BUHAHAHA!! the evil twin wins!!! |
| 21:05.42 | hans | i've never had trouble per se, but I've not had trouble without foomatic either (pure cups) and so I wonder if foomatic is extra baggage |
| 21:05.48 | hans | by never I mean in recent past, of course. |
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| 21:06.10 | sjansen | gimp-print |
| 21:06.30 | hans | are you just being silly? |
| 21:06.44 | vontrapp | sjansen, silly? pshh, naw |
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| 21:09.05 | graphyx | What is the command to show what users are allowed to log in? |
| 21:09.26 | hans | grep? |
| 21:09.35 | hans | cat /etc/passwd? |
| 21:09.51 | sjansen | graphyx, that I'm aware of there's not a clear cut answer to that without more context |
| 21:10.06 | sjansen | hans: getent passwd would be better than cat /etc/passwd |
| 21:10.15 | sjansen | must forget non-local accounts |
| 21:10.25 | hans | very well |
| 21:10.33 | Maquis | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Angels |
| 21:10.37 | sjansen | musn't |
| 21:10.59 | tensai | ~seen levi |
| 21:11.00 | ibot | levi <~levi@208.177.141.226.ptr.us.xo.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 4h 21m 53s ago, saying: 'Maquis: Did you get my email?'. |
| 21:23.09 | sjansen | ~seen any good movies lately? |
| 21:23.10 | ibot | i haven't seen 'any good movies lately', sjansen |
| 21:23.19 | sjansen | yeah, me either ibot |
| 21:23.48 | javert42 | ~rimshot |
| 21:23.48 | ibot | ch-ch-chhh |
| 21:24.08 | javert42 | That was a lame rimshot |
| 21:24.10 | graphyx | ~seen any movies at all? |
| 21:24.10 | ibot | graphyx: i haven't seen 'any movies at all' |
| 21:24.16 | hans | ~pancake is ch-ch-mmmmm |
| 21:24.16 | ibot | okay, hans |
| 21:24.59 | graphyx | ~nothing is (blank) |
| 21:24.59 | ibot | ...but nothing is already something else... |
| 21:25.04 | graphyx | ~nothing |
| 21:25.04 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, nothing is something |
| 21:26.10 | graphyx | ~oneinamillion is Remember that in China when they say you are one in a million that it means that there are another 999 people out there just like you. |
| 21:26.10 | ibot | graphyx: okay |
| 21:26.15 | graphyx | ~oneinamillion |
| 21:31.10 | sjansen | ibot, oneinamillion is <reply> Remember that in China when they say you are one in a million that it means that there are another 999 people out there just like you. |
| 21:31.11 | ibot | ...but oneinamillion is already something else... |
| 21:31.17 | sjansen | ibot, no oneinamillion is <reply> Remember that in China when they say you are one in a million that it means that there are another 999 people out there just like you. |
| 21:31.17 | ibot | sjansen: okay |
| 21:31.25 | sjansen | ~oneinamillion |
| 21:31.25 | ibot | Remember that in China when they say you are one in a million that it means that there are another 999 people out there just like you. |
| 21:32.00 | vontrapp | wouldn't it be 999,999 people just like you? |
| 21:32.18 | tene | no |
| 21:32.32 | tene | because it's saying "out of one million people, there are none like you" |
| 21:32.56 | tene | but with the number of people in China, that would mean there are about 999 other Chinese just like you |
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| 21:41.35 | tensai | well, even in the US there's still 285 people like you |
| 21:42.26 | Jayce^ | it does explain goozbach's identity crisis though |
| 21:42.49 | tensai | does that mean I suddenly have 285 more wives? |
| 21:43.45 | graphyx | did you marry 285 more of them? |
| 21:44.04 | graphyx | Well it could mean that there are 265 others out there that you would have picked.. |
| 21:44.18 | graphyx | Just use that as a threat the next time your wife gets upitty at you.. |
| 21:44.59 | tensai | kinda goes against the theory goozbach posted yesterday |
| 21:45.13 | graphyx | I was thinking about that myself.. |
| 21:45.37 | graphyx | Obviously the guys page is more relevant than what we are saying here.. |
| 21:48.14 | tene | well, he estimated a lot more than 285 possible matches |
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| 21:51.33 | goozbach | tensai: not really |
| 21:51.44 | goozbach | it's all about the geograpics |
| 21:52.55 | tene | Ooo... |
| 21:52.59 | tensai | if there's 285 people *exactly* like my wife, there are certainly many people who are similar enough to be compatible. I think the point is 1 in 1 million is an under estimate. |
| 21:53.03 | tene | Wait, who's Lord Byron Clark? |
| 21:53.12 | *** topic/#utah by tensai -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. || TimRiker has boxes in South Jordan. Holler if you want any. packing paper, etc too. | BYU UUG Meeting Tonight at 7:30pm - Lord Byron Clark will be presenting on FUSE |
| 21:53.28 | graphyx | So you are saying that there are a lot of girls like your wife? |
| 21:53.28 | *** topic/#utah by tensai -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. || TimRiker has boxes in South Jordan. Holler if you want any. packing paper, etc too. | BYU UUG Meeting 8/4 at 7:30pm - Lord Byron Clark will be presenting on FUSE |
| 21:53.37 | graphyx | perhaps insinuating she isn't special? |
| 21:54.06 | javert42 | tensai: thanks |
| 21:54.07 | sjansen | of course not, he's saying there's exactly 285 other special people and no more |
| 21:54.22 | tensai | and sjansen isn't one of them |
| 21:54.32 | javert42 | But don't forget the 999 other special people in China! |
| 21:58.10 | tene | So who's Lord Byron? |
| 21:58.23 | hans | a poet, or a hacker |
| 21:58.28 | tene | 'kay |
| 21:58.30 | hans | depending on your century |
| 21:58.38 | tene | So should I go? |
| 21:58.40 | javert42 | tene: byronc |
| 21:59.01 | vontrapp | tene: most certainl |
| 21:59.03 | vontrapp | y |
| 21:59.20 | tene | hmm |
| 21:59.54 | javert42 | Lord Byron does a very good presentation. |
| 22:01.07 | javert42 | Last time he presented on an intro to kernel devel, wrote a "Hello, World!" kernel module. |
| 22:03.28 | tene | that could be fun... |
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| 22:05.06 | vontrapp | amcnabb: Maquis missed your math answers last night |
| 22:11.28 | amcnabb | About 0/0? |
| 22:13.16 | goozbach | the main problem with the entire thing tensai is that 'one in a million' is a gross generalization |
| 22:13.34 | goozbach | whereas the link I posted yesterday used 'real' numbers |
| 22:13.55 | goozbach | so they are fundamentally different |
| 22:21.11 | Maquis | amcnabb: yeah.. didn't see your response... but levi explained to me |
| 22:21.23 | Maquis | i wish i had had some teachers at least attempt to explain it at some point |
| 22:23.59 | tensai | goozbach: right. considering the size of the DNA namespace, one in 6.5 billion isn't even close |
| 22:25.14 | goozbach | http://www.petprofessional.net/archive.php?archive=20050802 |
| 22:28.53 | tene | Yay, a client's mailserver was compromised! |
| 22:35.12 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 22:36.06 | Maquis | what would cause safari to have a particular button's onclick action be the default action on enter when none of the other browsers do so? |
| 22:41.23 | amcnabb | Maquis: All it is is that you can't divide by 0. |
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| 22:42.34 | amcnabb | Maquis: All it is is that you can't divide by 0. |
| 22:44.37 | vontrapp | Maquis: my guess is that it's just safari gives said button focus initially where other browsers don't |
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| 22:52.35 | vontrapp | OMG, Shrooms! |
| 22:53.55 | vontrapp | sorry, the whole irc/tolkien/fungus connection, couln't resist |
| 23:09.51 | sjansen | meso tired of talking |
| 23:10.34 | sjansen | mezah want the class to be done already |
| 23:33.59 | Maquis | vontrapp: i don't know why it would, though... because the focus is down below that point at the bottom of the page (near the other button) |
| 23:37.17 | scott | if I know an index went from 350 to 1200 over 55 years how do I figure out the average % increase / year? |
| 23:38.26 | scott | is it the same as the average increase per year / initial value? |
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| 23:45.17 | scott | I guess these are all math questions, but here's another one. if what cost $1 75years ago now costs $9.73 how do you get the average inflation over that period? do you also take the gain (8.73) and / by numbers of year to get % inflation over the period? |
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