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| 03:38.00 | Maquis | thanks purl |
| 03:38.06 | Maquis | but you're supposed to be named ibot here |
| 03:38.10 | Maquis | anyway |
| 03:38.14 | Maquis | ~lart emcnabb |
| 03:39.52 | RyanE | violent, this one. |
| 03:40.32 | Maquis | ~lart RyanE |
| 03:40.40 | Maquis | hey... that's a cool one! |
| 03:41.10 | RyanE | ouch |
| 03:41.16 | RyanE | ~lart Maquis |
| 03:42.25 | Maquis | ~flog RyanE |
| 03:42.25 | purl | ACTION hog-ties RyanE and starts the heavy punishment with a cat-o-nine-tails. |
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| 04:31.45 | tensai_ | ~lart Maquis |
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| 04:32.06 | tensai_ | ooh, that was cruel |
| 04:38.03 | Maquis | ~lart tensai_ |
| 04:38.23 | Maquis | purl: i know you can do better than that |
| 04:38.23 | purl | You know you can do better than that? |
| 04:38.23 | Maquis | ~lart tensai_ |
| 04:38.34 | Maquis | ~lart purl |
| 04:38.44 | Maquis | purl: thanks |
| 04:38.44 | purl | no worries, Maquis |
| 04:39.04 | Maquis | ~purl |
| 04:39.04 | purl | from memory, purl is the same blootbot as apt, ibot, and jbot |
| 04:39.17 | Maquis | ~name ibot |
| 04:39.21 | Maquis | `name |
| 04:39.23 | Maquis | ~name |
| 04:39.24 | purl | name is probably The name comes from the names of the creator of Debian, Ian Murdock, and his wife, Debra. (See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/) |
| 04:39.38 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 04:56.02 | linuxalien | Hi people |
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| 05:35.26 | levi | Hello. |
| 05:35.37 | RyanE | g'day. |
| 05:35.51 | levi | Wassup? |
| 05:35.59 | RyanE | nada. Nothing happening in here. |
| 05:36.19 | levi | Everyone must be asleep or something. |
| 05:36.27 | RyanE | yeah, I probably should be. |
| 05:37.02 | levi | I slept most of the day today, so I probably won't be going to bed just yet. |
| 05:37.23 | levi | (Well, I'm in bed with my laptop, but I probably won't be sleeping for a while.) |
| 05:37.50 | RyanE | hehe. Wife doesn't let me take laptop to bed with me. |
| 05:37.55 | RyanE | tappety-tappety keeps her awake. |
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| 05:38.32 | levi | Well, my wife prefers me having the laptop with me than me being in the other room. ;) |
| 05:38.49 | levi | She's up reading at the moment anyway, and she takes like 5 minutes to fall asleep. |
| 05:38.55 | RyanE | yeah, we've never really gone to bed at the same time, and we don't wake at the same time. |
| 05:39.37 | RyanE | everyone's different, I guess. |
| 05:39.45 | levi | Yup. |
| 05:40.25 | levi | I used to not like laptops, but I get to use my computer a lot more and still keep my wife happy this way. :) |
| 05:41.12 | RyanE | yep, I guess so. I only like 'em if work is paying. :) |
| 05:41.45 | levi | Well, I got a student discount for my iBook, and it wasn't terribly expensive (laptop-wise, at least) to begin with. |
| 05:42.10 | RyanE | cool. I'm like ... hmm... 12 years past any kind of student discount... :) |
| 05:43.13 | linuxalien | levi: I want an ibook too. I'll probably get it at weber state and I want the one that comes standard with 512 of ram |
| 05:43.18 | RyanE | only thing I ever bought on student discount was a brand new copy of "Borland Turbo C" |
| 05:43.32 | levi | linuxalien: I added a 1G dimm to mine. :) |
| 05:43.54 | levi | RyanE: I got some Borland Pascal with a student discount, back in the day. :) |
| 05:44.56 | linuxalien | levi: Right on. I'll get the cheapest one with drop detection where it parks the heads when it's been dropped. |
| 05:45.29 | levi | linuxalien: They didn't have those when I bought mine, but I didn't want to wait. :) |
| 05:45.51 | levi | I'm feeling the need for a bigger hard drive, though. |
| 05:46.13 | RyanE | how big is current? |
| 05:46.39 | RyanE | I've got a 60G, but partitioning it to dual boot to Linux makes me wish it were bigger. |
| 05:46.54 | linuxalien | levi: I am still saving up... gotta control my spending habits. hehe |
| 05:47.08 | levi | 30G, and all OS X. |
| 05:47.20 | levi | Not nearly big enough for dual-boot, even if I wanted to. |
| 05:47.30 | linuxalien | Hey, gentoo has a thing where you can install portage into Mac OS X and not have to install Gentoo |
| 05:47.56 | levi | There are already a couple of systems like that. |
| 05:48.08 | levi | Fink and darwinports. |
| 05:48.25 | linuxalien | Cool. I'll probably keep Mac OS X when I get my iBook. |
| 05:48.40 | levi | Yeah, I haven't needed Linux for anything. |
| 05:49.14 | levi | I may get a Mac Mini as a nice quiet webserver to replace my aging Linux box. |
| 05:49.33 | RyanE | I'd love a mini as a MythTV client for the bedroom. |
| 05:50.07 | linuxalien | I thought of getting a Mac Mini for my mom after getting my ibook |
| 05:50.32 | levi | I need to cut down on the space my computers take up. |
| 05:50.56 | levi | I currently have 3 monitor-size objects, one of which is an eMac. |
| 05:51.08 | linuxalien | Hey, I'm gonna get some sleep...I forgot I get up at 6am |
| 05:51.45 | levi | I would like to have the laptop and one flat panel that serves both a webserver and a Windows box, possibly with dual-boot to Linux. |
| 05:51.56 | levi | G'night, linuxalien. |
| 05:52.11 | linuxalien | Goodnight! :) |
| 05:55.04 | levi | And now I will resume my lisp hacking. :) |
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| 14:32.20 | wmirc | oOo irc from my phone. |
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| 15:16.12 | Maquis | TimRiker: thanks for getting ibot back in here... i got purl to come, but i couldn't figure out how to get her to become ibot... |
| 15:16.42 | Maquis | and purl said that she was already here, but neither she, nor any of her other nicks were in this channel... |
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| 15:29.36 | Maquis | ~beat jakea |
| 15:29.36 | ibot | ACTION beats jakea with a large stick. |
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| 15:41.24 | jakea | what the heck did I do? |
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| 15:51.32 | Maquis | :) |
| 15:52.32 | hans | Maquis: the correct emoticon in this situation is >:D. please remit royalties to Microsoft |
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| 16:29.43 | hans | "So do you get an error message telling you that you should have configured the kernel to make USB core function an LKM? Of course not. This is Unix, and explanatory error messages are seen as a sign of weakness. The error message is |
| 16:29.47 | hans | $ insmod usbcore.o |
| 16:29.49 | hans | usbcore.o: couldn't find the kernel version this module was compiled for" |
| 16:35.36 | tensai | put your thinking caps on. why would this suddenly not work? |
| 16:35.39 | tensai | my $mdbh = DBI->connect('dbi:mysql:...') || die; |
| 16:35.39 | tensai | my $sth = $mdbh->prepare('select ...'); |
| 16:35.39 | tensai | $sth->execute; |
| 16:35.39 | tensai | @_ = $sth->fetchrow_array; |
| 16:36.10 | jsmith | tensai: No rows in the result set? |
| 16:36.17 | hans | you Didn't Change AnythingTM? |
| 16:36.18 | jsmith | tensai: Error in your SQL statement? |
| 16:36.25 | hans | db permissions change |
| 16:36.26 | tensai | oh, I should explain the error I guess |
| 16:36.40 | tensai | DBD::mysql::st fetchrow_array failed: fetch() without execute() |
| 16:36.57 | tensai | assume the sql query works and there are results |
| 16:37.05 | tensai | since it does and there are |
| 16:37.05 | jsmith | Does $sth->execute return a value? |
| 16:37.10 | hans | jsmith: so apparently outbound on zap, from the handset behind the sipura is not loud enough. But I raise txgain in zapata.conf and I get echos |
| 16:37.26 | tensai | I've tried adding || die; to ->execute but it continues on |
| 16:37.35 | jsmith | hans: Can you adjust the gain on the sipura? |
| 16:37.45 | hans | I've scanned through the settings and haven't seen anything |
| 16:37.53 | jsmith | hans: And just how much are you adjusting txgain and rxgain? |
| 16:38.13 | hans | jsmith: rxgain is set at 14 (has been for a long time) |
| 16:38.17 | jsmith | hans: Remember that they are db, so it doesn't take much of a change to make huge results |
| 16:38.18 | tensai | hans: try raising it by 50 |
| 16:38.22 | jsmith | 14! |
| 16:38.23 | jsmith | 50! |
| 16:38.23 | hans | txgain, if I set to 1 it has a little echo |
| 16:38.25 | jsmith | Youch! |
| 16:38.36 | hans | if I set to 2 it starts to get unbearable |
| 16:38.40 | tensai | jsmith: sssh. it'll be funny |
| 16:38.46 | hans | :) |
| 16:39.02 | hans | (the echo in the handset, receiving end doesn't hear echo) |
| 16:39.57 | hans | also, I can't seem to make outbound calls with nufone. they aren't answering my emails (maybe I stumped them) |
| 16:41.13 | jsmith | hans: Try grabbing their attention in #nufone |
| 16:41.22 | jsmith | hans: They're more responsive there... |
| 16:41.46 | hans | cool. They've always been responsive by email in the past, but then my questions were simple... :-) |
| 16:42.18 | hans | anyway, 14 came to by trial and error. And I never did satisfy my curiousity as to whether it was really dB or not |
| 16:42.24 | jsmith | hans: It is. |
| 16:43.02 | hans | so 14 is what, so that's what about 20 times as loud sounding |
| 16:43.33 | jsmith | Something like that. |
| 16:44.01 | hans | crazy. |
| 16:44.54 | jsmith | Actually, quite a bit more than 20. |
| 16:45.27 | hans | i think it's got to be between sipura and asterisk - nobody's ever complained (and I've never noticed) any volume problems with what asterisk says |
| 16:45.37 | hans | is there a rxgain in sip.conf? |
| 16:45.46 | jsmith | No, of course not. |
| 16:46.10 | hans | about twice as loud for each 3dB, right? |
| 16:46.15 | jsmith | hans: Exactly. |
| 16:46.28 | jsmith | hans: If my math is right, 13 is 16 times as loud. |
| 16:46.34 | jsmith | hans: So 20 probably was a good guess. |
| 16:47.37 | hans | otoh everyone that's complained has been on a cell phone, so it could be a fluke. I guess I should verify with a regular phone before killing myself. |
| 16:48.03 | vontrapp | tensai: no () on your execute? |
| 16:48.11 | tensai | aha! It's mysql's fault. ERROR 1030: Got error 134 from table handler |
| 16:48.22 | hans | botsnack for jsmith |
| 16:48.26 | tensai | why the dbi isn't returning that error I don't know. |
| 16:49.19 | hans | distinctive ring has to be the coolest part of this sipura |
| 16:49.32 | hans | now I don't have to answer the phone when it's her Mom |
| 16:50.03 | tensai | hans: explain how that works. I like the sound of that |
| 16:50.21 | bonez39 | hans: which sipura device? I still haven't jumped yet....want to make sure i get the right hardware.. |
| 16:50.22 | Bradipo | My Uniden 5.8Ghz phones have similar feature---uses CID. |
| 16:50.25 | hans | distinctive ring based on CID (the sipura, although I bet asterisk could do that) |
| 16:50.48 | hans | so when I hear the motherinlaw ring, I don't bother. And sometimes Erin doesn't either. :) |
| 16:50.56 | tensai | hans: that's what I wondered, whether you were doing that on the sipura or in asterisk |
| 16:51.11 | hans | bonez39: I have a spa-1001 |
| 16:51.31 | Bradipo | There is one disadvantage to using such a feature... |
| 16:51.55 | Bradipo | It takes 2 rings before the CID information is completely passed on and so you don't actually hear the phone ring until the 3rd ring. |
| 16:52.13 | Bradipo | At least on the Uniden. |
| 16:52.16 | hans | 1.5 rings, actually. your device must be slow |
| 16:52.24 | hans | but that's true. |
| 16:52.26 | Bradipo | Yeah, it could be the device. |
| 16:52.54 | Bradipo | Sometimes people ask me why it takes us so long to answer the phone. |
| 16:53.09 | Bradipo | By the time we actually get across the room to answer 4 rings have occurred on their end. |
| 16:53.43 | hans | don't be tyrranized by the phone. It usually takes me 4 rings to get there anyway |
| 16:55.36 | tensai | 134 = Record was already deleted (or record file crashed) |
| 16:55.44 | tensai | the table got corrupted when the box crashed last week |
| 16:55.45 | neybar_work | cann $mdbh->ERRSTR; to see what the error was; |
| 16:56.41 | neybar_work | heh... my irc was scrolled up, I didn't realize that you figured it out... :) |
| 16:58.23 | jsmith | hans: Sorry, been putting out fires. |
| 16:58.26 | tensai | neybar_work: yeah, the weird thing is that it never errors out |
| 16:58.32 | hans | no prob |
| 16:59.57 | tensai | does anybody know if REPAIR TABLE can operate on an open table? |
| 17:01.21 | jsmith | tensai: Yes, it can... it's not always recommended, but it can. |
| 17:01.42 | tensai | jsmith: well, here goes everything |
| 17:02.31 | tensai | hmm. looks like it locks the database |
| 17:03.44 | tensai | locks just the table I guess |
| 17:04.47 | tensai | yay! now my query works |
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| 17:10.31 | levi | Morning. |
| 17:11.34 | lars-ut | Bom dia |
| 17:19.41 | lars-ut | ~cokezero tensai |
| 17:20.11 | lars-ut | tensai: what'd I do I wrong with the factoid this time? |
| 17:21.33 | lars-ut | ~cokezero tensai |
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| 17:21.50 | graphyx | ~gir |
| 17:21.50 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, gir is a very spiffy robot from Invader Zim. Perhaps you meant 'emulate gir'. |
| 17:22.00 | graphyx | ~emulate gir |
| 17:22.00 | ibot | yay! |
| 17:22.20 | graphyx | ~emulate gir |
| 17:22.20 | ibot | aww, my bees... |
| 17:23.27 | lars-ut | I fell asleep watching Zim "Walk of Doom" Saturday night. |
| 17:23.40 | vontrapp | which one is that? |
| 17:23.58 | lars-ut | the ep where Zim upgrades Gir's guidance system |
| 17:25.01 | lars-ut | http://www.thescarymonkeyshow.com/features/trans/wod.htm |
| 17:25.35 | vontrapp | ahh, that's a good one |
| 17:25.48 | tensai | lars-ut: to make room for the cupcake! |
| 17:25.54 | lars-ut | lol |
| 17:26.04 | lars-ut | to make room for the TUNA! |
| 17:26.18 | tensai | the tuna was in his leg. wasn't the cupcake in his head? |
| 17:26.27 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 17:26.35 | vontrapp | ~emulate gir |
| 17:26.35 | ibot | to make room for the TUNA! |
| 17:26.39 | vontrapp | ~botsnack |
| 17:26.39 | ibot | thanks, vontrapp |
| 17:26.43 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 17:26.49 | lars-ut | Zim: What happened!?! How did you run out of fuel that quickly!?! |
| 17:26.49 | lars-ut | GIR knocks the empty cereal box off his head. |
| 17:26.49 | lars-ut | GIR: I emptied it out. |
| 17:26.49 | lars-ut | Zim: Emptied it? Why!?! |
| 17:26.49 | lars-ut | GIR hops out of the dumpster. |
| 17:26.49 | lars-ut | GIR: To make room for the tuuunaa. |
| 17:26.51 | lars-ut | GIR pops off one of his feet and starts sucking tuna sloppily from his open leg. Zim cringes. |
| 17:27.20 | tensai | when he took out the guidance system he replaced it with a cupcake |
| 17:27.25 | lars-ut | yup |
| 17:27.49 | tensai | ok, just so long as I'm not going crazy |
| 17:27.56 | lars-ut | Maybe I'll bring some Zim eps to board game night this week. |
| 17:28.30 | lars-ut | "presumptuous cab beast!" |
| 17:28.30 | tensai | Zim: How could you not know! I just upgraded your guidance system! |
| 17:28.30 | tensai | GIR: Oh, I left that at home. |
| 17:28.30 | tensai | Zim: You left what at home? |
| 17:28.30 | tensai | GIR: The guidy, chippy, thingy. |
| 17:28.30 | tensai | Zim: You! Why would you do that!?! |
| 17:28.31 | tensai | GIR: To make room for the cupcake! |
| 17:28.35 | tensai | GIR unzips the top of his disguise and a cupcake pops out. He starts eating it sloppily. When he finishes it, he licks the wrapper. |
| 17:29.19 | lars-ut | in the same ep, the robotic parents that answer the door force the makeup saleswoman to brush her teeth. |
| 17:30.21 | lars-ut | robotic mom is still brushing saleswoman's teeth (has her pinned to the ground) when Zim comes home. |
| 17:30.48 | lars-ut | saleswoman runs off & Gir runs after her |
| 17:30.50 | TimRiker | Maquis: apt/ibot/jbot/purl get out of sync with irc sometimes on splits. looked like ibot was connected to a phantom server. I need to add commands so that one bot connection can cause the other to reconnect. patches welcome. ;-) |
| 17:31.14 | lars-ut | next time we Gir reappears he has makeup all over him |
| 17:32.17 | lars-ut | "Now I'm gonna sing the doom song!" |
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| 17:35.21 | lars-ut | ~no, cokezero is "<action> puts an iv in $who and forces 120 ounces of Coke Zero into his veins." |
| 17:35.53 | lars-ut | literal cokezero |
| 17:35.55 | lars-ut | ~literal cokezero |
| 17:35.56 | ibot | "cokezero" is ""<action> puts an iv in $who and forces 120 ounces of Coke Zero into his veins."" |
| 17:36.07 | lars-ut | ~no, cokezero is <action> puts an iv in $who and forces 120 ounces of Coke Zero into his veins. |
| 17:36.15 | lars-ut | ~literal cokezero |
| 17:36.15 | ibot | "cokezero" is ""<action> puts an iv in $who and forces 120 ounces of Coke Zero into his veins."" |
| 17:37.10 | lars-ut | no, cokezero is <action> puts an iv in $who and forces 120 ounces of Coke Zero into his veins. |
| 17:37.19 | lars-ut | ibot no, cokezero is <action> puts an iv in $who and forces 120 ounces of Coke Zero into his veins. |
| 17:37.19 | ibot | lars-ut: okay |
| 17:37.41 | lars-ut | ~cokezero lars-ut |
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| 17:38.25 | vontrapp | ~cokezero $victim is <action> puts an iv in $victim and forces 120 ounces of Coke Zero into his veins |
| 17:38.25 | ibot | vontrapp: okay |
| 17:38.40 | tensai | ~cokezero lars-ut |
| 17:38.40 | ibot | ACTION puts an iv in lars-ut and forces 120 ounces of Coke Zero into his veins |
| 17:39.10 | lars-ut | ~literal cokezero |
| 17:39.10 | ibot | "cokezero" is "<action> puts an iv in $who and forces 120 ounces of Coke Zero into his veins." |
| 17:39.20 | tensai | ~forget cokezero |
| 17:39.40 | tensai | ~literal cokezero $victim |
| 17:39.40 | ibot | ACTION puts an iv in $victim and forces 120 ounces of Coke Zero into his veins |
| 17:39.58 | tensai | lars-ut: the difference is the variable |
| 17:40.42 | lars-ut | thanks |
| 17:41.02 | graphyx | ~lart lars-ut |
| 17:43.14 | vontrapp | "~foo" and "~foo bar" are two seperate factoids to ibot |
| 17:44.22 | lars-ut | ~cat5 $victim is <action> forces $victim to make 3-inch length CAT5 cables with a faulty crimper. |
| 17:44.23 | ibot | okay, lars-ut |
| 17:44.29 | lars-ut | ~cat5 graphyx |
| 17:44.29 | ibot | ACTION forces graphyx to make 3-inch length CAT5 cables with a faulty crimper. |
| 17:46.08 | lars-ut | ibot no,cat5 $victim is <action> forces $victim to make 3-inch length CAT5 cables with an intermittently faulty crimper. |
| 17:46.09 | ibot | okay, lars-ut |
| 17:46.27 | lars-ut | ~cat5 tensai |
| 17:46.28 | ibot | ACTION forces tensai to make 3-inch length CAT5 cables with an intermittently faulty crimper. |
| 17:54.13 | lars-ut | ~Count Cocofang is an actual vampire, just as Frankenchokey is an actual franken... thing! |
| 17:54.13 | ibot | i already had it that way, lars-ut |
| 17:54.37 | lars-ut | who is Count Cocofang? |
| 17:54.52 | lars-ut | what is Count Cocofang? |
| 17:55.12 | lars-ut | tensai? |
| 17:55.26 | tensai | lars-ut? |
| 17:55.36 | lars-ut | what is Count Cocofang? |
| 17:55.45 | lars-ut | ~Count Cocofang is an actual vampire, just as Frankenchokey is an actual franken... thing! |
| 17:55.45 | ibot | lars-ut: i already had it that way |
| 17:55.49 | tensai | ~Count Cocofang |
| 17:55.49 | ibot | count cocofang is, like, an actual vampire, just as Frankenchokey is an actual franken... thing! |
| 17:55.49 | mrpull | 3 inch Cat5? For Ethernet? Is that even to spec? |
| 17:56.42 | tensai | mrpull: no, most definitely not. that said, I've heard that 6 inch segments work. |
| 17:56.53 | lars-ut | mrpull: that would make it even worse. |
| 17:57.07 | lars-ut | 3in segments I mean |
| 17:57.33 | mrpull | 1 meter is the minimum spec for Ethernet, but over to switched ports, 3 inches usually works ok. |
| 17:57.47 | mrpull | s/over to/over two/ |
| 17:57.57 | lars-ut | tensai: I thought I could ask a qusetion to ibot & get an answer |
| 17:58.57 | lars-ut | re: Cocofang, for example |
| 17:59.02 | tensai | lars-ut: you have to ask her directly. she doesn't just watch for questions. |
| 17:59.35 | lars-ut | Doh! |
| 17:59.52 | tensai | for example: |
| 17:59.53 | tensai | tensai? |
| 17:59.56 | tensai | ibot: tensai? |
| 17:59.56 | ibot | methinks tensai is a large smoked salmon |
| 18:00.07 | lars-ut | ibot: who is Count Cocofang? |
| 18:00.08 | ibot | lars-ut: what are you talking about? |
| 18:00.21 | lars-ut | ibot: Count Cocofang? |
| 18:00.21 | ibot | [count cocofang] an actual vampire, just as Frankenchokey is an actual franken... thing! |
| 18:00.25 | graphyx | You guys apparently haven't made your own 5 in 1 console bale. |
| 18:00.27 | graphyx | cable. |
| 18:00.43 | graphyx | The guy makes what he calls the worlds shortest cross over cable. |
| 18:01.17 | graphyx | IT looks little more than 2 siamese cat 5 heads joined at the rear. |
| 18:01.37 | lars-ut | link? |
| 18:02.12 | lars-ut | ibot: lars-ut? |
| 18:05.17 | RyanE | http://www.ossmann.com/5-in-1.html |
| 18:08.15 | graphyx | sorry.. got busy else where. I wasn't ignoring you.. |
| 18:08.49 | TimRiker | ~tensai |
| 18:08.49 | ibot | it has been said that tensai is a large smoked salmon |
| 18:08.51 | lars-ut | graphyx, RyanE - now I'm gonna have to make one of these for my toolbox. |
| 18:09.06 | vontrapp | ibot: what is vontrapp? |
| 18:09.07 | ibot | vontrapp: I think you lost me on that one |
| 18:09.07 | graphyx | yeah.. if I did more with console stuff I would have myself. |
| 18:09.20 | lars-ut | ~lars-ut |
| 18:09.27 | vontrapp | ~vontrapp |
| 18:09.27 | ibot | well, vontrapp is anonymous, or an escape artist, or hans' brother |
| 18:09.33 | graphyx | ~graphyx |
| 18:11.11 | lars-ut | ~lars-ut |
| 18:11.11 | ibot | [lars-ut] not the creator of Google Maps. |
| 18:15.39 | Maquis | TimRiker: no idea how to write anything like that... all i know how to do is go to botpark and tell one of them to come over here |
| 18:15.42 | Maquis | :) |
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| 18:21.58 | hans | i made one of those and my crossover isn't working. :( |
| 18:22.09 | hans | not sure why. I need to troubleshoot it |
| 18:22.56 | hans | the short crossover cable is pinned right |
| 18:23.33 | hans | the coupler has 8 pins |
| 18:25.26 | hans | and 8 wires inside |
| 18:25.38 | hans | the straight cable has 8 wires too. |
| 18:25.57 | hans | and my laptop doesn't need crossover, so I haven't had motivation to track it down. |
| 18:27.02 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:41.42 | TimRiker | Maquis: =) |
| 18:42.23 | TimRiker | Maquis: asking one of them for "chaninfo" might fix it. there are some sanity checks in there, but not enough. =( |
| 19:06.16 | graphyx | ~caps |
| 19:06.16 | ibot | Do not type whole lines/nicks in caps. It's bloody annoying and will make people not want to answer you. |
| 19:06.34 | graphyx | How did I know that was in there already... |
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| 19:07.29 | tene | ~capslock |
| 19:07.29 | ibot | [capslock] "dumpkeys | sed 's/58 = Caps_Lock/58 = Control/' | loadkeys" turns capslock into control for all vc's. MY REDHAT KEY SEEMS TO BE STUCK |
| 19:14.05 | Maquis | ~timriker |
| 19:14.05 | ibot | i heard timriker is my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org mailto:Tim@TI.com maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool person, or ... |
| 19:14.13 | Maquis | ~maquis |
| 19:14.13 | ibot | i don't give information like that to filthy cardassian spies |
| 19:15.14 | tene | ~tene |
| 19:15.14 | ibot | somebody said tene was Tenebram, or the king of pirate, or my god, or chocolate covered sugar bombs |
| 19:15.59 | Newsome | mmmm. Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs... |
| 19:16.25 | tene | o.O |
| 19:27.27 | JoshH | Maquis: i knew you were named after the maquis in star trek. :P |
| 19:27.49 | tene | ~JoshH |
| 19:36.54 | JoshH | ibot knows nothing about me |
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| 19:38.40 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 19:39.39 | tensai | ~JoshH |
| 19:39.39 | ibot | you'll never force me to tell. never, never, never, NEVER!!! |
| 19:52.26 | vontrapp | Maquis: what do you know about imdb? |
| 19:53.01 | vontrapp | could you possibly tell me if there's a way to get search results in a terse, easily parsable format? |
| 20:01.48 | Maquis | vontrapp: not very much... |
| 20:02.01 | Maquis | well...at least not very much that would help you |
| 20:02.11 | Maquis | i know a number of totally irrelevant facts though |
| 20:02.46 | Maquis | did you know that the sysadmin for imdb (they only have 1) lives in london, but works on virginia time because the servers he admins are all at the virginia datacenter? |
| 20:03.35 | Maquis | (no... that doesn't help with getting terse, easily parsable formats, but it is interesting) |
| 20:03.56 | Maquis | also, over half the people working for imdb work from home and live around the world |
| 20:03.59 | vontrapp | what does it matter what time the servers are on? |
| 20:04.28 | vontrapp | he better be up in the middle of the night just in case a server goes down during it's "day" time? |
| 20:04.32 | Maquis | i think that what matters is that the people who staff the datacenter and the majority of people using imdb are all in the US... |
| 20:04.43 | vontrapp | ic |
| 20:04.56 | vontrapp | that is interesting... |
| 20:05.13 | vontrapp | where might i pose such a question? |
| 20:05.15 | Maquis | all i know is what they tell the interns... |
| 20:05.31 | Maquis | i think there's a feedback form or something to that effect on the website... |
| 20:05.34 | Maquis | you could try there... |
| 20:06.15 | Maquis | actually, i know that they do feeds, but i don't know if those feeds are accessible outside of amazon |
| 20:08.34 | hans | anyone know of a black t with something cool on back but nothing on front? |
| 20:18.56 | tene | I feel dirty. |
| 20:18.59 | tene | I'm installing php. |
| 20:19.36 | vontrapp | there you go hans, a black T with "I feel dirty" on the front, and "I'm installing PHP" on the back |
| 20:19.54 | hans | nothing on front, nothing |
| 20:20.10 | vontrapp | um, you could put "I feel dirty" in black letters... |
| 20:22.04 | graphyx | Well my boss got back from defcon. |
| 20:22.11 | graphyx | And brought me a t-shirt |
| 20:22.28 | graphyx | offical slogan defcon13: We put the 13 in 31337. |
| 20:23.53 | vontrapp | 1101? |
| 20:26.09 | JoshH | i dont know if its the front or back, but this shirt is cool |
| 20:26.11 | JoshH | http://www.josh.gnomefoo.com/img/shirt.jpg |
| 20:29.37 | hans | I love linux. where else can you scan and email remotely? |
| 20:29.47 | tensai | hans: openbsd? |
| 20:29.54 | tene | windows with VNC? |
| 20:30.15 | hans | tensai, you knew what I meant. ;-) so I got my TA assignment. I'll be TAing CS110 which is basically a computer literacy class |
| 20:30.21 | hans | windows, word, etc. :) |
| 20:30.40 | tensai | hans: crossover office! |
| 20:30.44 | hans | tene: ok, with reasonable bandwidth consumption |
| 20:31.13 | tene | err... why not, Maquis? |
| 20:31.32 | tene | (presuming that 'wouldn't be excited' == 'would be displeased') |
| 20:32.03 | lars-ut | ~emulate Bill |
| 20:32.03 | ibot | Come on, Fang! Let's dance! |
| 20:32.21 | Maquis | tene: they think that pentesting is wrong |
| 20:32.24 | Maquis | even with permission... |
| 20:32.54 | tene | o.O |
| 20:32.59 | gthornock | hans: I have a black T with a BSD daemon on the back, but I don't have a URL for one... |
| 20:33.10 | goozbach | Maquis: tell them you're a 'security expert' doing security stuff |
| 20:33.27 | goozbach | keep it as obsure as possible |
| 20:33.40 | tensai | Maquis: compare it to inviting an electrician over to your house. normally you'd be outraged if somebody turned off the power, but when he's invited it's perfectly ok. |
| 20:33.51 | goozbach | my parents once caught me wardialing... |
| 20:33.58 | goozbach | that was fun to explain away |
| 20:34.02 | hans | ha, wardialing |
| 20:34.24 | goozbach | "ummm the reason that the phone bill is over $150 is..." |
| 20:34.31 | tensai | my wife went wardriving with me. I was surprised. |
| 20:34.55 | hans | my wife doesn't care, and for some reason she doesn't get a kick out of it either. |
| 20:35.12 | hans | I mean, who wouldn't get a kick out of finding open wireless networks? |
| 20:35.20 | tensai | beats me |
| 20:35.42 | Maquis | my parents think that it's immoral and illegal (and if it isn't illegal, they say it should be) |
| 20:35.58 | Maquis | (wardriving) |
| 20:36.10 | tene | err... why? |
| 20:36.20 | Maquis | i don |
| 20:36.21 | tene | because the TV says so, or do they have a reason? |
| 20:36.22 | Maquis | 't know |
| 20:36.33 | hans | imperius |
| 20:36.34 | Maquis | and they haven't really explained it that well |
| 20:36.45 | Maquis | i think they have some idea that if you're getting something for free, it's illegal |
| 20:36.59 | hans | start charging them for air and radio reception. |
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| 20:37.12 | tene | and enjoying public parks |
| 20:37.53 | hans | happy picnic day, btw. |
| 20:37.53 | Maquis | i guess i can kinda see a bit of it when someone else is paying for the wireless and you're just using it from them... but still... |
| 20:38.03 | gthornock | !ebcdic |
| 20:38.09 | gthornock | ~ebcdic |
| 20:38.23 | lars-ut | ~emulate Simon |
| 20:38.23 | ibot | After fries, you get to work the grill. |
| 20:38.33 | hans | Maquis: chronically using someone else's internet (when they pay by the bit or you consume all the bandwidth) I can agree with |
| 20:38.40 | tene | and wardriving isn't *using* public APs, it's just finding them. |
| 20:38.50 | hans | but nobody says it's illegal to use someone's phone |
| 20:39.02 | hans | or enjoy the shade of their tree as you walk by |
| 20:40.07 | hans | I have absolutely no qualms about using someone's wide-open wireless to check my email. not that it happens much, but it's good to know how |
| 20:40.25 | vontrapp | and besides, if it really bugs them, they can secure the network |
| 20:40.44 | goozbach | I have no qualm letting people use my open wireless vlan |
| 20:41.03 | tene | like |
| 20:41.11 | tene | it's not the same as 'not locking your door' |
| 20:41.20 | tene | wifi APs *broadcast* |
| 20:41.29 | goozbach | (because it's not gonna affect my encryped mac filtered vlan) |
| 20:41.31 | hans | as in radio waves spewing forth |
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| 20:41.55 | hans | nobody can tell me it's illegal to get wet in someone's sprinkler if I'm within range |
| 20:42.12 | hans | that's a fun analogy. especially this summer |
| 20:42.36 | goozbach | mine is more like leaving the garage door open and a big sign saying "feel free to hang out here the house door is locked" |
| 20:43.00 | hans | party at goozbach's garage! |
| 20:43.40 | tene | or if you're playing music, and you can hear it from the street |
| 20:44.00 | hans | and you can sing along |
| 20:44.04 | goozbach | I limit outbound traffic as well |
| 20:44.10 | hans | or you can read your map by the light of their lawn lamp |
| 20:44.11 | goozbach | no outbound port 25 |
| 20:44.58 | hans | goozbach: I like to disallow everything but http/https and ssh |
| 20:45.10 | hans | for unauthenticated clients |
| 20:45.19 | hans | or at least I would like to, if I weren't too lazy to actually do it. |
| 20:50.15 | vontrapp | what's a standard double click time? |
| 21:04.19 | lars-ut | ~emulate gaz |
| 21:04.19 | ibot | That was your fate of the world work!?! Jumping in a puddle!?! You do realize I'm gonna have to destroy you now. |
| 21:06.13 | vontrapp | "Things he doooo?!" |
| 21:08.15 | lars-ut | from "The Wettening" |
| 21:08.37 | lars-ut | weather ~kpvu |
| 21:08.42 | lars-ut | ~weather kpvu |
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| 21:17.57 | Maquis | seattle had the first good rain in over a week this morning |
| 21:18.00 | Maquis | it was nice |
| 21:19.10 | Maquis | ok guys |
| 21:19.12 | Maquis | weird problem |
| 21:20.04 | Maquis | when i compile, all my recent changes are getting ignored... i'm cleaning out everything before compiling, though, so I have no idea why... |
| 21:20.40 | levi | What are you compiling, and with what compiler? |
| 21:21.21 | Maquis | levi: java with rant |
| 21:21.26 | Maquis | struts |
| 21:22.56 | levi | Hmm. No idea about that. |
| 21:23.34 | Maquis | ~lart vontrapp |
| 21:32.21 | Newsome | speaking of hamstercrap, here's the most recent SCOX press release - http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=1600684464&tid=cald&sid=1600684464&mid=287186 |
| 21:35.51 | graphyx | How in the world did that get posted??? |
| 21:35.59 | graphyx | That certainly isn't a real SCO release... |
| 21:36.06 | graphyx | It's way too accurate!!! |
| 21:36.19 | Newsome | :) |
| 21:36.37 | tensai | graphyx: technically it's just a forum post, but it had me fooled until I got to the quote |
| 21:36.48 | graphyx | yeah. |
| 21:36.53 | graphyx | It's funny.. |
| 21:37.09 | graphyx | Headquartered in Lindon, Utah, SCO has a worldwide network of more than 2 resellers and 3 developers |
| 21:37.57 | Newsome | "released this statement by the company's president, CEO, and leading candidate for serving prison time, Darl McBride" |
| 21:38.40 | JoshH | lol |
| 21:39.07 | JoshH | it would be nice if mcbride and all the puppetmasters who orchestrated the whole scheme would serve prison time, but sadly none of them will. |
| 21:39.10 | graphyx | ~lart mcbride |
| 21:40.28 | Maquis | if they can prove that they knew it wasn't true from before the case, can't they take some legal action against them? |
| 21:44.34 | Newsome | potentially |
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| 22:17.34 | Maquis | wow... i'm stupid |
| 22:18.22 | jsmith | I doubt it |
| 22:20.24 | Maquis | well... i just spent like 2 hours lookng in the wrong place for a bug that i created |
| 22:21.38 | Maquis | and it was a stupid bug |
| 22:23.18 | Maquis | 086892723821 Spiderman Motorized Webble Shooter |
| 22:23.21 | Maquis | what's a webble? |
| 22:23.38 | Maquis | (that's from upcdatabase.com) |
| 22:23.50 | Maquis | 000200503066 chocolate warez |
| 22:32.07 | levi | Mmm, chocolate warez. |
| 22:34.19 | tensai | dangerously delicious |
| 22:34.40 | jsmith | As long as it's not Chocolate Juarez... |
| 22:35.13 | levi | The forbidden chocolate... |
| 22:36.10 | tensai | "Do not eat. Daddy's Soul Donut." |
| 22:36.59 | spr | mmm...forbidden donut... |
| 22:38.07 | Maquis | howdy spr |
| 22:53.02 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.42 | Maquis | hans: you're having some troubles with that today... |
| 22:57.59 | vontrapp | ~lart hans |
| 23:14.02 | xbmodder | ? |
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