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| 01:24.22 | graphyx | Afternoon all. |
| 01:46.40 | xilch|w | graphyx: like the bong? |
| 01:49.02 | graphyx | no. |
| 01:49.24 | graphyx | Graphyx like graphics. From when I liked to do Ascii graphics for Dialup BBSes. |
| 01:49.36 | graphyx | it's been a while since I did those. |
| 01:49.54 | graphyx | Ok here would be a cool extension for google to intergrate with in firefox.. |
| 01:50.05 | graphyx | Do a keyword search limited to the sites that you have in your history.. |
| 01:50.22 | graphyx | That way when you think of something that you read before but want to find again you can have google find it for you. |
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| 02:32.45 | mrpull_ | graphyx: do you have a gmail account? |
| 02:32.54 | graphyx | yeah. |
| 02:33.04 | mrpull_ | google can keep track of your search history now if you are logged in |
| 02:33.05 | graphyx | Do you suggest posting to gmail everytime I visit a page not found in history? |
| 02:33.07 | mrpull_ | i'll grab a link |
| 02:33.12 | graphyx | I don |
| 02:33.21 | graphyx | i don't want search history.. but browse history.. |
| 02:33.39 | graphyx | so you don't have to parse through a huge pile looking for a specific keyword.. |
| 02:33.49 | graphyx | just the sites that you have visited and recognize.. |
| 02:33.55 | mrpull_ | http://www.google.com/searchhistory/ |
| 02:34.08 | mrpull_ | (that is if you are logged in to your google/gmail account) |
| 02:34.42 | mrpull_ | I understand what you are after... that is a decent approximation of what you are after |
| 02:36.12 | graphyx | Ok thanks. |
| 02:38.14 | mrpull_ | can Intel's SATA RAID lack any more polish? |
| 02:38.42 | mrpull_ | i had to rebuild a mirror just now |
| 02:39.32 | graphyx | it didn't do it on its own? |
| 02:44.07 | mrpull_ | it didn't. the docs said it would. |
| 02:44.27 | mrpull_ | i had one disk go bad, I replaced it and the system wouldn't boot anymore |
| 02:45.16 | mrpull_ | it would boot with the remaining good drive, but the management tools didn't have any options to break the mirror or remove the dead disk |
| 02:49.46 | graphyx | what junk.. |
| 02:49.54 | graphyx | Just be glad it didn't mirror the bad drive back over to the good one.. |
| 02:51.05 | mrpull_ | yeah. even though I checked the serial numbers, I still am parinoid I'll rebuild in the wrong direction :) |
| 02:51.31 | mrpull_ | the worst part it, I had to "delete" the raid volume before I could rebuild it |
| 02:51.32 | graphyx | Just image the drive with part image before hand.. |
| 02:51.56 | graphyx | Sometimes the extra time is worth the piece of mind.. |
| 02:52.06 | graphyx | and the extra money worth not getting a piece of crap.. |
| 02:52.12 | mrpull_ | and there was a warning that all my data would be lost... but it turns out the warning is wrong |
| 02:52.37 | graphyx | I would have been tempted to just down the system before that and pull the drive to image it.. |
| 02:52.39 | mrpull_ | i didn't have a third drive to image to, but all of my important data is on a firewire drive |
| 02:52.58 | graphyx | fair enough. |
| 02:53.16 | mrpull_ | i just rebuilt the system several days ago so it wasn't too big of a risk |
| 02:53.24 | graphyx | fair enough. |
| 02:57.50 | mrpull_ | 36% rebuilt |
| 02:58.36 | mrpull_ | I dont really see any performance (read) gains that I expected |
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| 03:19.25 | tene | ARGH |
| 03:20.03 | vontrapp | more more |
| 03:20.11 | tene | http://allalone.org/ff.png |
| 03:20.38 | vontrapp | um, what's that? |
| 03:20.49 | tene | Firefox. |
| 03:20.53 | vontrapp | looks like your fonts are too small |
| 03:21.09 | tene | it looks like that when run by a new user, too |
| 03:21.18 | tene | I've tried remove and reinstalling it |
| 03:21.25 | tene | and every related package I can think of |
| 03:21.37 | vontrapp | what distro? |
| 03:21.44 | tene | FC4 |
| 03:21.50 | vontrapp | hmm |
| 03:22.43 | vontrapp | you tried a new profile? |
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| 04:20.21 | amcnabb | This is my first time connecting with irssi. |
| 04:20.45 | amcnabb | It feels so good to be in a terminal. |
| 04:22.02 | spr | ~lart amcnabb |
| 04:22.18 | spr | ~fish amcnabb |
| 04:22.18 | ibot | ACTION slaps amcnabb around with a large trout |
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| 04:31.17 | amcnabb | Does anyone know how to turn off the ident check that hangs for a few seconds every time I connect? |
| 04:31.48 | bigdog_ut | perhaps have it bind to the ip address |
| 04:32.08 | amcnabb | I didn't quite catch that. |
| 04:32.19 | bigdog_ut | are you talking about irc connection? |
| 04:32.22 | amcnabb | Yep. |
| 04:32.58 | bigdog_ut | i know in xchat you can bind to a specific ip address |
| 04:33.05 | bigdog_ut | perhaps that might be what you are looking for |
| 04:33.30 | bigdog_ut | just a thought...but not sure if that will speed up ident |
| 04:35.06 | spr | I think the binding to an address option is unrelated to ident. |
| 04:36.53 | spr | ah, there's the bind to option in xchat, yeah that won't do anything for ident unfortunatly. |
| 04:38.38 | amcnabb | Weird stuff. |
| 04:42.55 | bigdog_ut | i guess it would be your client that is the bottle neck...since in ident you are sending the reply to initiate access to the service |
| 04:44.14 | amcnabb | I think the problem is usually firewalls dropping packets. |
| 04:44.25 | amcnabb | Isn't ident initiated by the server? |
| 04:44.39 | bigdog_ut | clients make requests |
| 04:44.55 | bigdog_ut | or queries i believe |
| 04:45.02 | bigdog_ut | and server gives responses |
| 04:45.21 | amcnabb | Isn't the IRC server the ident client? |
| 04:46.19 | bigdog_ut | ~rfc 1413 |
| 04:46.19 | ibot | from memory, rfc 1413 is Identification Protocol. M. StJohns. January 1993. (Format: TXT=16291 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC931) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) |
| 04:46.30 | bigdog_ut | that is the one |
| 04:46.55 | Maquis | amcnabb: i love irssi |
| 04:47.03 | bigdog_ut | but yeah...like spr said..ip address really has nothing to do with it |
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| 05:44.40 | vontrapp | ok, problem |
| 05:44.55 | vontrapp | knoppix's grub sux rox |
| 05:45.18 | vontrapp | but if i try to run it from chroot, grub-install gives errors about permission to /dev/null |
| 05:45.44 | vontrapp | and doesn't read stage1 correctly |
| 05:46.09 | vontrapp | so, ran grub-install in regular (knoppix) root |
| 05:46.18 | vontrapp | upon reboot... |
| 05:46.26 | vontrapp | grub loading, please wait... |
| 05:46.28 | vontrapp | error 17 |
| 05:50.20 | TimRiker | anyone need empty boxes? wardrobe, dishpack, large, small, packing paper, etc. ? |
| 05:53.18 | *** topic/#utah by TimRiker -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. || TimRiker has _lots_ of boxes in South Jordan. Holler if you want any. packing paper, etc too. |
| 05:56.54 | vontrapp | any tricky bash way to get sudo on the left side of a redirect? |
| 05:57.28 | tene | clarify/restate? |
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| 05:57.47 | vontrapp | e.g. echo something > /some/root/owned/file |
| 05:57.56 | vontrapp | where i need root permissions to write to the file |
| 05:58.09 | tene | ahh |
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| 05:58.58 | vontrapp | it's just annoying to sudo su; echo something > file; exit |
| 05:59.05 | tene | you could do this: |
| 06:00.31 | tene | sudo bash -c 'rawr | foo > blarg' |
| 06:04.48 | TimRiker | hmm. the redirect will be captured by the current shell. |
| 06:05.18 | TimRiker | echo foo | sudo dd of=/some/root/owned/file should do it. |
| 06:07.27 | vontrapp | except what i actually want is >> |
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| 06:10.58 | tene | yeah |
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| 06:22.43 | amcnabb | Bitlbee is awesome. |
| 07:03.34 | TimRiker | echo foo | sudo /bin/tee -a /some/root/owned/file > /dev/null |
| 07:04.20 | vontrapp | ~lart initrd |
| 07:04.26 | vontrapp | ~squish initrd |
| 07:04.26 | ibot | ACTION squishes initrd like a bug |
| 07:04.29 | vontrapp | ~fail initrd |
| 07:04.35 | vontrapp | ~quash initrd |
| 07:04.39 | vontrapp | ~kill initrd |
| 07:04.39 | ibot | ACTION shoots a excited fluxproton gun at initrd |
| 07:05.10 | vontrapp | ~putty initrd |
| 07:05.10 | ibot | ACTION rolls a thick putty bat and beats initrd with it |
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| 09:19.36 | bonez39 | anyone awake? |
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| 12:56.04 | graphyx | morning. |
| 13:06.10 | Maquis | morning |
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| 14:43.46 | levi | Good morning. |
| 14:44.06 | vontrapp | good morning everyone! |
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| 14:53.12 | Maquis | ~lart morning |
| 14:53.18 | Maquis | ~lart intel |
| 14:53.22 | Maquis | ~lart lenovo |
| 14:53.43 | Maquis | ~lart 6-7 week backorders |
| 14:54.17 | Maquis | i want my thinkpad! |
| 14:54.35 | Maquis | ~lart wellsfargo |
| 15:14.15 | Bradipo | mozilla-firefox was poorly designed with respect to its actual binary. |
| 15:14.38 | Bradipo | You can't run it directly without first setting a plethora of environment variables. |
| 15:15.21 | Bradipo | Sure, they include a script that does all this for you called mozilla-firefox (the actual binary is mozilla-firefox-bin), but it is poorly written. |
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| 15:35.38 | neybar_work | http://www.malevole.com/mv/misc/killerquiz/ |
| 15:36.54 | hans | Bradipo: I heartily agree |
| 15:36.58 | vontrapp | Maquis: what specs for you thinkpad? |
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| 15:40.40 | Maquis | vontrapp: check out the thinkpad t43 2687dsu |
| 15:48.37 | hans | thinkpads can be nice |
| 15:48.45 | hans | the NICs tend to go out |
| 15:48.55 | hans | (I swear this has nothing to do with the PLUG thread...) |
| 15:49.01 | Maquis | hans: you just have something with NIcs |
| 15:49.38 | hans | they get thinkpads for people at work, and the NICs are always going bad. people just get pcmcia network cards |
| 15:49.45 | hans | or send them back to get repaired. |
| 15:49.45 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 15:50.00 | Maquis | this one has a *sweet* wireless card, though |
| 15:50.02 | Maquis | so who cares... ;) |
| 15:50.10 | hans | which card? |
| 15:50.10 | goozbach | REGEX++ |
| 15:50.27 | goozbach | how does one do regex grouping? |
| 15:50.33 | hans | for that matter, the IBM wireless configuration stuff for windows is almost impossible to grok |
| 15:50.36 | goozbach | the intel 2192 |
| 15:50.36 | hans | but that shouldn't bother you. |
| 15:50.57 | goozbach | er 2194 or whatever the ABG one, right? |
| 15:51.08 | Maquis | goozbach: yeah.. whatever the number to it is... |
| 15:51.15 | hans | it's linux-friendly? |
| 15:51.19 | Maquis | i thought it was 2915, but i don't remember for sure |
| 15:51.26 | Maquis | hans: native, gpled in-kernel driver |
| 15:51.35 | Maquis | supports kismet, etc... |
| 15:51.39 | hans | nice |
| 15:51.39 | goozbach | hans: open-source, non-kernel-tainting gpl driver |
| 15:51.50 | Maquis | (kernel-module) |
| 15:52.17 | Maquis | not necessarily in-kernel... but kernel-loadable, i guess is the better way to say it? |
| 15:52.49 | goozbach | so as to my regex query, how does one do grouping? (eg, not the string 'http') |
| 15:57.56 | vontrapp | i think it's (!http) or !(http) or (^http) |
| 15:58.08 | vontrapp | or (http)! |
| 15:58.10 | vontrapp | hmmm |
| 15:58.13 | goozbach | here's my regex now: 'href="[^"]*.html"' |
| 15:58.30 | goozbach | I want to not match external links |
| 16:01.06 | vontrapp | me tried them all, no luck |
| 16:05.40 | goozbach | none here either |
| 16:06.17 | Maquis | goo, whatcha doin? |
| 16:08.16 | goozbach | teaching my students about regexes by using a real-world example |
| 16:08.33 | goozbach | "we want to rename all .htm files to the correct .html |
| 16:08.36 | goozbach | " |
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| 16:09.30 | goozbach | we came up with the above regex to match links |
| 16:09.41 | goozbach | but found that it broke external links |
| 16:14.07 | vontrapp | (?!http) |
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| 16:27.29 | neybar_work | goozbach: /href=['"](?!['"])(?!http)....*.html['"]/ |
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| 16:42.50 | Maquis | goozbach: perhaps you should've chosen a simpler example?? |
| 16:45.23 | mheath | my last day at home for two weeks.... |
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| 16:47.43 | mheath | I'm going to miss having a computer :D |
| 16:55.51 | vontrapp | ~lart firefox |
| 17:00.02 | vontrapp | something about firefox is grabbing focus and WILL NOT let it go |
| 17:00.22 | vontrapp | i can't do anything until i switch workspaces then back again |
| 17:00.59 | tene | that's awesome |
| 17:03.44 | vontrapp | hmmm, maybe it's not firefox |
| 17:08.43 | flyboy^ | How many people will be at the Damian Conway event? Anyone here planning on attending? |
| 17:09.02 | mheath | I'd love more than anything to come, but can't. Sorry. |
| 17:10.30 | flyboy^ | Why, are you getting heart surgery that day or what? |
| 17:11.05 | mheath | flyboy^: US Navy two week training at Port Hueneme, California. |
| 17:11.23 | flyboy^ | I'm sure the Navy won't mind if you are a few days late. ;) |
| 17:11.57 | mheath | hahaha. |
| 17:12.31 | flyboy^ | Just say "Wha? I didn't know that you were _serious_!" |
| 17:13.31 | flyboy^ | MMmmmmm. Nothing like diet coke that has been chilled to just above freezing. |
| 17:14.19 | levi | Slightly more palatable than regular diet coke, I imagine. |
| 17:14.25 | mheath | flyboy^: ARGH! |
| 17:14.34 | mheath | I've been laying off junk food. Haven't had soda in weeks |
| 17:14.38 | mheath | You're making me droll |
| 17:14.41 | mheath | *drool |
| 17:15.12 | vontrapp | flyboy^: EECHH, diet bleh |
| 17:15.29 | levi | Why deny yourself a diet soda? |
| 17:16.05 | vontrapp | why impose a diet soda on your mouth? |
| 17:16.10 | vontrapp | poor poor mouth |
| 17:16.22 | flyboy^ | diet code/pepsi is more bitter tasting. I like bitter. |
| 17:16.35 | flyboy^ | The non diet stuff is just a bit to sweet. |
| 17:16.52 | levi | The diet stuff also has the nasty aspartame aftertaste. |
| 17:17.04 | levi | Which is my primary complaint with it. |
| 17:17.09 | lars-ut | Try Diet COke with Splenda |
| 17:17.35 | lars-ut | Coke Zero is good, too |
| 17:17.41 | flyboy^ | The after taste is a reminder to drink more. |
| 17:18.06 | levi | I don't have either of those in my cooler here, and I'm not paying for drinks when there are so many good free ones. :) |
| 17:18.14 | neybar_work | I haven't met an artificial sweetener that was even slightly palatible |
| 17:18.28 | vontrapp | gimme sugar, baby |
| 17:18.35 | lars-ut | Mmmm.. Sucralose. |
| 17:18.46 | levi | vontrapp: How many sodas do you drink that actually have sugar in them? |
| 17:18.56 | levi | vontrapp: Most are probably corn syrup. |
| 17:19.03 | flyboy^ | I had some fat free sugar free ice-cream substitute bars that were actually semi-palitable. |
| 17:19.13 | mheath | Corn Syrup has sugar |
| 17:19.34 | mheath | Corn Syrup == chemically modified corn starch, isn't it? |
| 17:19.38 | levi | It has sugars, but not sucrose. |
| 17:19.38 | hans | granulated white sugar is definitely not the only sugar |
| 17:19.47 | levi | Corn syrup has fructose. |
| 17:19.57 | hans | and fructose is a sugar |
| 17:20.01 | levi | Yes. |
| 17:20.07 | mheath | ah yes |
| 17:20.14 | levi | So is lactose. |
| 17:20.20 | levi | And dextrose. |
| 17:20.27 | hans | yup |
| 17:20.31 | vontrapp | malto-dextrose |
| 17:20.33 | lars-ut | you mean HFCS? |
| 17:20.43 | mheath | haha. Indeed. :) |
| 17:20.46 | vontrapp | you're right, hans, i don't want to take chem |
| 17:20.55 | hans | hehe |
| 17:21.01 | levi | But that's all science-speak. For laymen, 'Sugar' is sucrose. |
| 17:21.11 | mheath | You know whats awesome? Fresh sugar cane |
| 17:21.11 | lars-ut | Fruit puree works as a good sweetener as well |
| 17:21.14 | lars-ut | And Honey |
| 17:21.16 | mheath | I love sucking on fresh sugar cane :) |
| 17:21.22 | vontrapp | mmmm, sugar cane |
| 17:21.29 | hans | when it comes to soda, sugar is some natural source of sweetness |
| 17:21.30 | levi | There are all sorts of salts that aren't Sodium Chloride, but we refer to Sodium Chloride as Salt. |
| 17:21.48 | levi | hans: You obviously aren't a soda purist. |
| 17:21.56 | hans | no, that's true |
| 17:22.16 | hans | you might say I spend more time mocking soda than drinking it. |
| 17:22.24 | mheath | I don't use corn syrup much |
| 17:22.37 | vontrapp | are there soda purists who only drink soda sweetened with granulated cane suger? |
| 17:22.41 | lars-ut | levi: Don't forget Potassium Chlorate - one of my favorite salts |
| 17:22.43 | flyboy^ | Soda is really bad for you. So I've been told by those who don't drink it. |
| 17:22.50 | mheath | used it the other day, making strawberry sorbe......Sugar water will crystalize when frozen, corn syrup won't..... |
| 17:23.19 | mheath | thats probably the last time I've used corn syrup in ages though :D |
| 17:23.20 | hans | mheath: a bit of fruit pectin helps there too |
| 17:24.02 | hans | and most sugar water crystallization problems are due to a too-low concentration of sugar |
| 17:24.11 | lars-ut | real maple syrup is also yummy - and not so unhealthy. |
| 17:24.14 | hans | (in frozen desserts) |
| 17:24.16 | vontrapp | more sugar!! |
| 17:24.34 | mheath | hans: bah |
| 17:24.35 | hans | alas, I think the proper concentration is too sweet. I'll have to think about corn syrup |
| 17:24.59 | mheath | A couple cups of strawberries and a bottle of corn syrup is simpler than a couple cups of strawberries, water, a ton of sugar, and fruit pectin |
| 17:25.06 | mheath | and the result is the same |
| 17:25.12 | mheath | Corn Syrup is just as good of a sweetner |
| 17:25.34 | lars-ut | what's that sweetener that begins with an X? |
| 17:25.35 | hans | yeah, that's a good idea. you get the pectin from jam, though. jam for sugar, tablespoon for tablespoon |
| 17:25.43 | hans | 2 tablespoons ought to do it. |
| 17:26.03 | mheath | We have pectin |
| 17:26.04 | hans | but corn syrup is simpler than water+sugar, yes |
| 17:26.19 | mheath | my dad makes lots of jams |
| 17:26.34 | lars-ut | I saw a few sweeteners at Good Earth recently, trying to remember them.... stevia was one... |
| 17:26.47 | mheath | strawberry, rasperry, cherry, rhubarb..... |
| 17:26.49 | mheath | mmmmm. |
| 17:27.04 | hans | is rhubarb still tangy in jam? that sounds good |
| 17:27.17 | mheath | hans: not if you add enough sugar |
| 17:27.21 | mheath | you can make it however you want though |
| 17:27.24 | hans | and ruin it? |
| 17:27.30 | neybar_work | yeah strawberry-rhubarb jam is awesome |
| 17:27.44 | mheath | we made raspberry jam once |
| 17:27.51 | mheath | oooh that stuff was good |
| 17:28.01 | neybar_work | I'm getting hungry for some reason |
| 17:28.10 | hans | raspberry, and homemade strawberry, are my favs |
| 17:28.25 | Jayce^ | strawberry-rhubarb *pie* :) |
| 17:28.27 | Jayce^ | a-la-mode |
| 17:28.30 | lars-ut | Has anyone here used a USB connected soundcard with a bootable distro? |
| 17:29.10 | mheath | My dad used to can cherries |
| 17:29.22 | levi | I love raspberry and strawberry freezer jams, with lots of sugar. |
| 17:29.45 | mheath | I took some of the juice out of the jar once... |
| 17:29.58 | mheath | added it to some generic cola |
| 17:30.08 | mheath | made THE BEST cherry cola I've ever experienced |
| 17:30.20 | Jayce^ | strawberry freezer jam on fresh waffles.... MMMMMMM |
| 17:30.33 | mheath | Jayce^: pancakes > waffles :P |
| 17:30.53 | Jayce^ | waffles with the bacon cooked in |
| 17:31.10 | lars-ut | ~emulate gir |
| 17:31.10 | ibot | i need tacos! i need tacos or i'll explode. that happens to me sometimes. |
| 17:31.26 | lars-ut | ~weather kpvu |
| 17:32.13 | tene | ~emulate gir |
| 17:32.13 | ibot | yay! |
| 17:32.39 | lars-ut | Gir likes waffles |
| 17:32.59 | mheath | Hmm, I think this weather report is messed up (not that provo one...one I'm looking at) |
| 17:33.52 | mheath | Everyone told me the area I'm going to is going to be hot, but this is saying highs of ~87 |
| 17:33.52 | vontrapp | sourdough pancakes > pancakes |
| 17:33.52 | tene | where are you going? |
| 17:34.01 | mheath | tene: well, most of my training is going to be at Fort Hunter-Ligget, which is near Monteray, California (a bit south and a bit inland) |
| 17:34.22 | tene | that sounds about right |
| 17:34.55 | mheath | Thats cooler than its been here |
| 17:35.00 | mheath | Granted, more humid. |
| 17:35.00 | hans | heck yes |
| 17:35.26 | vontrapp | ~lart freeway-buckling heat |
| 17:35.50 | mheath | ~lart USN MAAs |
| 17:36.37 | mheath | Mix a cop (which is what they are functionally) with a military drill instructor |
| 17:36.47 | mheath | and you've got yourself a Master At Arms! |
| 17:37.08 | lars-ut | He-Man's cohort? |
| 17:37.26 | mheath | eh? |
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| 17:47.48 | Danilo_BRA | Hiii |
| 17:47.57 | Danilo_BRA | Is anyone from Brazil?? |
| 17:48.10 | lars-ut | Acho que não |
| 17:48.41 | Danilo_BRA | ahahah |
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| 17:52.05 | tene | Danilo_BRA: what are you doing in #utah if you want to talk to brazilians? |
| 17:52.41 | lars-ut | he's in the right place if enough people are paying attention the channel |
| 17:52.53 | tene | Oh? |
| 17:52.59 | lars-ut | Portuguese speakers I mean |
| 17:53.06 | tene | Not brazilians, though |
| 17:53.10 | lars-ut | true |
| 17:58.15 | Danilo_BRA | Well... I am BRazilian... 4*01,08=04P10~~~ |
| 17:58.42 | lars-ut | Feel free to practice your english - good folks here. |
| 18:00.21 | lars-ut | Anybody know of a channel specifically designated for practicing English? |
| 18:00.40 | Danilo_BRA | or a link... |
| 18:03.06 | lars-ut | s/tyoe/type |
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| 18:10.36 | mrpull | ~seen goozbach |
| 18:10.39 | ibot | goozbach is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 72 messages. Is idling for 2h 58s |
| 18:10.56 | mrpull | dang... isn't he the Mt. Dew King? |
| 18:12.09 | Uncle_Jesse | Question |
| 18:12.30 | Uncle_Jesse | Is the HP IPaq the best smartphone out there w/ Phone+Bluetooth+Wifi+PDA? |
| 18:12.35 | Uncle_Jesse | oh, and +camera |
| 18:13.07 | mrpull | Uncle_Jesse: I have the Siemens SX66 and would argue it is better than HP's offerings |
| 18:13.32 | mrpull | Verizon has a new smaller smartphone that looks nice too |
| 18:15.29 | mrpull | I don't see it on their site right now. |
| 18:15.41 | mrpull | http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=1581 |
| 18:15.56 | mrpull | mine is cingular / no camera |
| 18:16.05 | mrpull | but the exchange activesync is dope |
| 18:16.12 | Uncle_Jesse | mrpull: does it have wifi? |
| 18:16.16 | mrpull | (if you work in an exchange shop of course) |
| 18:16.18 | mrpull | it does |
| 18:16.40 | mrpull | it is big tho. |
| 18:16.45 | Uncle_Jesse | I did see the verizon one - it is very nice, but I refuse to ever use Verizon again |
| 18:16.53 | mrpull | bigger than the treo650 by about 25% |
| 18:17.06 | mrpull | who is your provider of choice? |
| 18:17.51 | Uncle_Jesse | tmobile |
| 18:18.16 | mrpull | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.22 | mrpull | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.03 | Uncle_Jesse | activesync is dope period |
| 18:19.20 | Uncle_Jesse | but a lot of programs have been written for PocketPC |
| 18:19.39 | Uncle_Jesse | I can't wait for a good Linux phone that has Wifi |
| 18:19.41 | mrpull | the sync stuff works really well for me |
| 18:19.57 | mrpull | it does push email (a first for PPC) now |
| 18:20.26 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - I just sold my Dell Axim in favor of a smartphone |
| 18:20.32 | Uncle_Jesse | I think I'm still going for the HP Ipaq |
| 18:20.39 | mrpull | if you carry both all the time, it is a good option |
| 18:20.42 | RyanE | I wouldn't trade my Sony Clie (Palm) for anything either, because it has the built-in wifi... |
| 18:20.56 | Uncle_Jesse | I wish Samsung would release theirs for the GSM networks |
| 18:21.19 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - I got tired of carrying both a cell phone & PDA |
| 18:21.27 | Uncle_Jesse | but I like to be able to acces internet at meetings |
| 18:21.27 | vontrapp | is there some html element that's meant not to show within which you could hold values? |
| 18:21.46 | tene | set it to display: none; with css |
| 18:21.49 | vontrapp | i guess there's <input type="hidden"> but then you should have it inside a form |
| 18:21.50 | Uncle_Jesse | <input type="hidden"> |
| 18:22.04 | Uncle_Jesse | or you could do a div and use javascript or css to tell it not to display the contents |
| 18:22.20 | RyanE | if you want to pass it forward, use the hidden input, otherwise the div & CSS |
| 18:22.30 | Uncle_Jesse | sorry - that should be <input type="hidden" /> |
| 18:22.48 | RyanE | and preferably, it should contain a VALUE... :) |
| 18:24.04 | Uncle_Jesse | don't forget a name too |
| 18:24.10 | Uncle_Jesse | id's are also good |
| 18:24.34 | Uncle_Jesse | with ajax you don't need the input to pass it forward |
| 18:24.51 | Uncle_Jesse | technically |
| 18:24.54 | Uncle_Jesse | but it would have to be a get |
| 18:25.07 | mrpull | holy cow. it is sysadmin day today? seems like it was just yesterday. |
| 18:25.17 | Uncle_Jesse | when is it programmers day? |
| 18:25.27 | mrpull | where are my flowers/chocolates/bonus checks? |
| 18:25.58 | hans | why isn't google touting it? |
| 18:26.14 | mrpull | the artist who does the art forgot. |
| 18:26.22 | mrpull | what does he care about sysadmins :) |
| 18:26.24 | mrpull | ? |
| 18:26.47 | Uncle_Jesse | google is just humble |
| 18:27.29 | hans | google isn't a sysadmin |
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| 18:48.21 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. || Happy System Administrators day! || TimRiker has _lots_ of boxes in South Jordan. Holler if you want any. packing paper, etc too. |
| 18:49.03 | sjansen | How many sysadmins out there have actually been wished a happy sa day by their employer? |
| 18:51.13 | sjansen | I'm betting very few. |
| 18:51.22 | Uncle_Jesse | when I'm a big boss that's what I'm going to do |
| 18:51.36 | Uncle_Jesse | flowers for all my sysadmins |
| 18:51.38 | sjansen | Secretaries get much better recognition. Why? Because people fear secretaries! |
| 18:51.52 | Uncle_Jesse | they just don't know they need to fear their sa's |
| 18:52.41 | sjansen | Time to show you really are a BOFH! Forge a company-wide email from the boss congratulating yourself on SA day. |
| 18:52.50 | sjansen | (The targetted message.) |
| 18:53.04 | sjansen | Then lock everyone's accounts and take an extended lunch break. |
| 18:53.11 | sjansen | (The broadcast message.) |
| 19:03.56 | lars-ut | time for me to login to the CEO's laptop and display http://www.sysadminday.com/ in his browser... |
| 19:09.20 | lars-ut | CEO was away from his desk so I placed the http://www.sysadminday.com/ site in a window behind his personal email composition. MUAHAHA |
| 19:09.49 | Uncle_Jesse | I would be so fired if I did that here |
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| 19:11.13 | lars-ut | I work for a small company |
| 19:11.45 | *** part/#utah Newsome (~sorenson@216-190-206-130.customer.csolutions.net) |
| 19:11.57 | lars-ut | and who knows, maybe a rogue spyware app is opening sysadmin aprreciatio sites... |
| 19:14.49 | sjansen | Now all I need to do is reverse resolve your IP and send a message to your company demanding payment for the name of an employee violating the acceptable use policy. ;-) |
| 19:14.54 | lars-ut | COO laptop now has that site behind has Contact Manager window. |
| 19:15.05 | lars-ut | AHh... but I'm not. |
| 19:16.38 | tensai | "SonicWALL is the number one worldwide provider of Unified Threat Management (UTM) solutions" |
| 19:16.41 | Uncle_Jesse | although I don't know any company I worked for before that I could have gotten away with doing that to the CEO or COO's computer |
| 19:16.46 | tensai | yeah, it's easy to be #1 at something you made up |
| 19:17.39 | lars-ut | We do have an acceptable usage policy set by our national office - but it only applies to _their_ employees. I am one of the few at this office who is not an employee of the national/corporate office - therefore not subject to their policy. |
| 19:18.29 | lars-ut | I do post this screen for our office employees: |
| 19:18.31 | lars-ut | Individuals using this computer system without authority, or in excess of their authority, are subject to having all of their activities on this system monitored and recorded by system personnel. In the course of monitoring individuals improperly using this system, or in the course of system maintenance, the activities of authorized users may also be monitored. Anyone using this system expressly consents to such monitoring and is advised that if such monitoring r |
| 19:18.44 | lars-ut | But that shouldn't prevent me from my trickery. |
| 19:19.16 | Uncle_Jesse | ah, so it's the local CEO/COO |
| 19:19.20 | lars-ut | yes |
| 19:19.25 | Uncle_Jesse | I could possibly get away w/ that here |
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| 19:19.33 | Uncle_Jesse | I wouldn't dare though |
| 19:19.46 | lars-ut | We just happen to be a branch of a National company |
| 19:19.59 | Uncle_Jesse | Me too |
| 19:20.02 | lars-ut | too late - it's already done. |
| 19:20.45 | Uncle_Jesse | Although the national company I work for is right next door |
| 19:21.03 | Uncle_Jesse | one of our local stations/newspapers I might be able to get away with something like that |
| 19:21.09 | lars-ut | hard to keep separate cultures then |
| 19:21.31 | lars-ut | if they're right next door |
| 19:21.38 | lars-ut | thanks for the reminder of the sysadmin appreciation day |
| 19:21.48 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - too close to the stockholders over here |
| 19:23.28 | lars-ut | Well, that's 2 people down (CEO & COO). I don't think anyone else would actually do anything to recognize me. Wait there might be one more... |
| 19:25.55 | tensai | wow. my very first debian bug, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=320483 |
| 19:30.11 | hans | skype makes me sick |
| 19:34.32 | Jayce^ | why? |
| 19:35.18 | hans | embrace and extend, proprietary |
| 19:35.39 | Uncle_Jesse | ~spell banana |
| 19:35.47 | Uncle_Jesse | ~spell bananna |
| 19:35.56 | hans | because skype is taking off and it is nothing compared with asterisk, and doesn't interoperate |
| 19:35.59 | vontrapp | how come space bar fires two keypress events in javascript? |
| 19:36.36 | hans | not that they shouldn't reap the rewards of their fine product, and not that I'm not happy to see phone companies given a run for their money |
| 19:36.44 | hans | it just makes me sick. |
| 19:36.51 | hans | vontrapp: maybe down and up? |
| 19:37.03 | Bradipo | hans: Skype might just be a passing fad on the Internet. |
| 19:37.04 | vontrapp | but no other keys do that |
| 19:37.05 | Uncle_Jesse | does asterisk have it's own phone #'s so normal people can call you? |
| 19:37.09 | Bradipo | How many of those have there been? |
| 19:37.34 | hans | Uncle_Jesse: you pay someone to terminate, or get the hardware to terminate yourself. (terminate == transition from voip to pstn) |
| 19:37.36 | sjansen | skype will eventually be crushed by the weight of voip |
| 19:37.53 | Uncle_Jesse | hans: how much does that cost? |
| 19:37.57 | hans | what weight is that? the bandwidth? |
| 19:38.03 | sjansen | in telecommunication, interoperability is too great an advantage |
| 19:38.03 | tensai | Uncle_Jesse: asterisk isn't a network, it's just an endpoint. there are services you can use such as pulver.com or freeworlddialup |
| 19:38.08 | hans | Uncle_Jesse: nufone, for examlpe, is $0.02/min anywhere in the US |
| 19:38.17 | Uncle_Jesse | ah - okay |
| 19:38.35 | Uncle_Jesse | can you hook into 911 yourself using asterisk or another service? |
| 19:38.45 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm looking for cheaper phone alternatives |
| 19:38.52 | Uncle_Jesse | and refuse to go back to Verizon |
| 19:38.53 | hans | fwd and iaxtel, for example, let you call other fwd and iaxtel users for free - just like skype |
| 19:39.11 | hans | but they can be usin g ahardware SIP device, asterisk, or anything else that talks VoIP |
| 19:39.17 | tensai | there's not free option to connecting to the PSTN |
| 19:39.30 | hans | whereas skype users have to talk to skype users (or out PSTN if thyey're paying for that) |
| 19:39.48 | sjansen | Bah, I have to patch my kernel to get good IPSEC support in Ubuntu? |
| 19:40.22 | Jayce^ | hans, skype is taking off more than asterisk because my wife was able to click a link, drag it into Apps, and run it... nothing more, no hardware, etc... |
| 19:40.23 | Uncle_Jesse | are there any options that give you control over 911 service w/ something like asterisk? |
| 19:40.24 | vontrapp | bah, ipsec |
| 19:40.49 | Jayce^ | sure, it's nothing near what asterisk can do, but when my wife went to Japan, she could call me without any problems |
| 19:40.54 | hans | Jayce^: absolutely. that's where skype has succeeded |
| 19:40.56 | Uncle_Jesse | skype also works on Linux, Windows, Mac, and PocketPC |
| 19:41.28 | hans | the problem is, skypes success makes it difficult for the rest of the voip community to play |
| 19:42.15 | Bradipo | hans: If skype can do good by the consumer, I don't see a problem with this. If Skypes had a client for OpenBSD I would probably play around with it too. |
| 19:42.54 | Bradipo | Personally, I think it will be good for rates. |
| 19:43.01 | Bradipo | More competition, means better rates for consumers. |
| 19:43.23 | Jayce^ | there was a bit of discussion about stuff like this at the tech breakfast this morning, you guys shoulda come |
| 19:43.40 | Bradipo | And VoIP has been around for a long time, but never really taken off. |
| 19:43.47 | Bradipo | Maybe Skypes will help VoIP move along. |
| 19:45.03 | hans | I think skype is overall a good thing |
| 19:45.08 | hans | don't get me wrong |
| 19:45.43 | Bradipo | I believe I understand what you are saying though. Certainly, there are better solutions out there like Asterisk. |
| 19:45.51 | hans | what makes me sick is that I'm on the bandwagon already and I see that if skype really takes off, as in eclipses all other voip approaches for joe blow consumer, it will be a rather indirect path to get where we want to be |
| 19:45.54 | Bradipo | It is frustrating to see better technology brushed aside. |
| 19:45.55 | hans | but I don't think it will block us |
| 19:46.52 | Uncle_Jesse | Anyone doing anything the week of the 18th-21st? I'm flying up there around that time. |
| 19:47.13 | Bradipo | You mean next month? |
| 19:47.16 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah |
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| 19:47.52 | Jayce^ | Too bad Uncle_Jesse, you'll just miss Damian :) |
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| 19:48.17 | Uncle_Jesse | Damian's coming? Yeah - no kidding. What day? |
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| 19:48.50 | Jayce^ | his free plug presentation is the 10th |
| 19:49.32 | Uncle_Jesse | man that sucks |
| 19:49.36 | Uncle_Jesse | My wife will be up there then |
| 19:49.44 | Uncle_Jesse | but not me |
| 19:49.48 | sjansen | send her with a video camera |
| 19:49.51 | Uncle_Jesse | should have scheduled a week earlier |
| 19:50.08 | sjansen | "If you really love me, you'll take it and steal swag." |
| 19:50.08 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: my wife is so far away from geekdom that would be funny to see |
| 19:50.24 | sjansen | s/take/tape/ |
| 19:51.15 | Uncle_Jesse | how'd you get Damian Conway? |
| 19:51.37 | sjansen | We lied about how good the Pizza in Utah is. |
| 19:52.02 | Jayce^ | Uncle_Jesse, my company is bringing him in for training.. |
| 19:52.35 | Uncle_Jesse | ah - he would be great to do training |
| 19:52.57 | Uncle_Jesse | I'll have to remember that next time someone suggests perl training here |
| 19:53.41 | Uncle_Jesse | I need to get a job w/ you guys up there |
| 19:54.35 | Uncle_Jesse | Hey - you can't save me a copy of Perl Best Practices can you??? |
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| 19:55.04 | Uncle_Jesse | pretty please please :-( (puppy smile) |
| 19:55.10 | Uncle_Jesse | s/smile/frown/ |
| 19:55.29 | Jayce^ | nice to finally have a paper copy of this thing |
| 19:55.51 | Uncle_Jesse | I have a Safari subscription through work but I love books |
| 19:56.51 | Uncle_Jesse | Well, if you decide to just accidentally leave one at home and forget to bring it to the meeting I won't be offended :-) |
| 19:57.50 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: we should get Hoovdog and some of the other old IDI guys together for Tucanos while I'm up there |
| 19:58.28 | Jayce^ | got Joe working here with me now.. QA dept |
| 19:58.36 | Uncle_Jesse | I was going to ask about him too |
| 19:59.03 | Uncle_Jesse | I am assuming you hired for the Software Engineer position already :-) |
| 19:59.13 | Jayce^ | I know one slot was filled |
| 20:00.43 | hans | sjansen: ipsec? |
| 20:00.53 | vontrapp | bah, ipsec |
| 20:01.09 | mheath | mmmm |
| 20:01.19 | mheath | I've been watching my diet carefully in preperation for my training |
| 20:01.22 | Uncle_Jesse | I've been trying to get a development/engineer position over there since I did tech support for them |
| 20:01.36 | sjansen | hans: I'm finally setting up the mythical VPN access for work. |
| 20:01.44 | mheath | but I decided that, the night before I leave (today), I'd give myself one last treat before I have to live off the bad food there |
| 20:01.48 | Uncle_Jesse | It seems like there's a lot of competition in the job market over there |
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| 20:04.31 | hans | and it's ipsec? |
| 20:04.40 | sjansen | yup |
| 20:04.43 | amcnabb | ouch |
| 20:05.06 | hans | what do they run? you're not moonlighting guru labs are you? |
| 20:06.16 | sjansen | openswan, apparently |
| 20:06.37 | Jayce^ | two words sjansen "rip" and "replace" |
| 20:07.10 | hans | then the easiest thing will be openswan on your end. too bad openswan involves kernel magic |
| 20:07.25 | hans | racoon might work and uses standard in-kernel ipsec stuff |
| 20:07.42 | hans | although I don't know if it's left out of ubuntu's kernel |
| 20:07.48 | sjansen | two words Jayce^ "kumquat" and "plywood" |
| 20:08.04 | Jayce^ | sjansen, how'd you know about that?! :) |
| 20:08.17 | vontrapp | i don't think the kumquat would stick to the plywood very well |
| 20:08.59 | sjansen | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030725 |
| 20:09.55 | sjansen | http://www.pcweenies.org/toon_archive.php?toon=746 |
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| 20:20.04 | hans | sjansen: you gurus really should have openvpn running (in addition?) |
| 20:21.56 | tensai | hans: I created some more converts last night |
| 20:22.12 | hans | hooray |
| 20:22.14 | hans | where? |
| 20:22.28 | tensai | iderho falls |
| 20:25.19 | hans | lug? |
| 20:26.23 | tensai | yup. did the presentation. that reminds me. I need to post my lecture notes. |
| 20:26.34 | tensai | next month I'll probably be presenting on asterisk |
| 20:26.55 | hans | sweet. well if you need someone to call over voip... |
| 20:27.18 | hans | vontrapp: ipv6 |
| 20:27.57 | hans | otherwise you're out of luck. I think there's enough private address space to handle that, if you can convince the admins |
| 20:28.02 | tensai | Jayce^: so I can drive home and leave for Oregon on the 11th? yeah, probably not. |
| 20:28.13 | bonez39 | why would email sent from me with mutt.....end up as a blank note with an attachment, at the other end? my wife gets blank messages...with attachments....how does one force them into the body of an email, in mutt? |
| 20:28.45 | tensai | sounds like mutt is sending as mime-multipart and the reader isn't smart enough to figure that out |
| 20:29.09 | hans | or at least the reader's mail software |
| 20:29.52 | tensai | hans: well, that's what I meant. I'm sure most people don't know what MIME is |
| 20:30.02 | bonez39 | the reader is outllook express...which I used a long time .. I think though that mutt is creating a mime document....that sounds logical |
| 20:30.02 | hans | :-) |
| 20:30.28 | hans | it is. if mutt is spock, outlook is mccoy |
| 20:31.16 | lars-ut | to be published in September issue of CPU: How To Build Your Own Notebook PC [ http://www.computerpoweruser.com/email.asp?emid=131075 ] |
| 20:31.26 | vontrapp | why is mutt sending a multipart? |
| 20:31.46 | tensai | because it's the cool thing to do |
| 20:31.51 | vontrapp | if you're signing it, that makes sense |
| 20:32.06 | vontrapp | i don't think it does by default with just a text message, does it? |
| 20:33.09 | lars-ut | I esepecially like the parts/prices links at the bottom of the article. Building a laptop would be a neat project. |
| 20:33.13 | bonez39 | vontrapp: I have it set up so that I have to sign with passphrase..... |
| 20:33.34 | vontrapp | ok yeah, then that's why it's multipart |
| 20:33.37 | bonez39 | I need to figure out how to turn on or off the signing......now, it forces me to enter the passphrase.. |
| 20:33.47 | bonez39 | what do I do to NOT have it sign? |
| 20:33.52 | hans | pf |
| 20:34.02 | vontrapp | ~lart lame MUAs that don't have half a brain |
| 20:34.09 | vontrapp | pc |
| 20:34.18 | vontrapp | just before you send |
| 20:34.29 | hans | i didn't realize you were signing. that's known outlook stupidity with pgp messages |
| 20:34.30 | vontrapp | p(gp) c(lear) |
| 20:34.47 | bonez39 | ok.. |
| 20:34.52 | hans | f for forget. |
| 20:35.12 | hans | I don't know where you got your mutt, vontrapp |
| 20:35.16 | vontrapp | that just forgets the passphrase, it will just ask for it again |
| 20:35.32 | hans | PGP (e)ncrypt, (s)ign, sign (a)s, (b)oth, or (f)orget it? |
| 20:35.58 | hans | you could also set up a sender hook, so it always defaults to not signing when sending to her. |
| 20:36.02 | vontrapp | PGP (e)ncrypt, (s)ign, sign (a)s, (b)oth, (i)nline, or (c)lear? |
| 20:36.10 | hans | hence my question |
| 20:36.14 | hans | where did you get your mutt |
| 20:36.28 | vontrapp | ubuntu |
| 20:36.51 | vontrapp | but.. pf does do the same as pc |
| 20:36.53 | hans | what version? |
| 20:36.59 | hans | Mutt 1.5.6i (2004-02-01) here |
| 20:37.29 | vontrapp | aahhh, dead limbs |
| 20:37.51 | vontrapp | wow, that's some verbose version information |
| 20:38.06 | vontrapp | 1.5.6+20040907i (CVS) |
| 20:40.29 | hans | pc doesn't here. so yours must be newer behavior |
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| 20:57.29 | vontrapp | ~emulate gir |
| 20:57.29 | ibot | to make room for the TUNA! |
| 20:57.39 | vontrapp | heehehee |
| 20:57.47 | vontrapp | ~botsnack |
| 20:57.47 | ibot | vontrapp: aw, gee |
| 21:01.17 | levi | Hmm, anyone know how to find a Windows box on the network given its WINS name? |
| 21:01.46 | hans | you mean like nbstat in windows? |
| 21:02.17 | Bradipo | smbclient maybe? |
| 21:02.18 | levi | I've never used that... what does it do? |
| 21:02.19 | hans | net lookup mycomputer |
| 21:02.39 | hans | (samba clients need to be installed, obviously) |
| 21:07.38 | levi | hans: Could you give a little more explanation? I don't see any nbstat or 'net lookup' commands on this XP box. |
| 21:08.10 | tensai | levi: he meant nbtstat |
| 21:08.27 | tensai | nbtstat -a <name> or nbtstat -A <ip> |
| 21:08.51 | hans | I did. sorry |
| 21:08.56 | hans | net lookup is the linux equiv |
| 21:09.00 | tensai | net lookup would be from samba |
| 21:11.01 | tensai | nbtstat gives loads more information, like who is logged in and what the mac address is |
| 21:11.41 | hans | net has loads of cool commands too, although I haven't much explored them. |
| 21:12.17 | levi | How does nbtstat do its query? Is it broadcasting a request, or does it query a central server, or what? |
| 21:12.25 | tensai | yeah, I haven't either. there may be other nifty tools hidden in there. |
| 21:12.44 | tensai | levi: depends on your network. is it a domain or workgroup? |
| 21:13.08 | tensai | workgroups work on broadcast. domains have a domain controller and/or wins server. |
| 21:13.29 | levi | tensai: I'm not sure how they have it set up. The machine we're trying to track down probably isn't configured to be in a domain. |
| 21:13.47 | hans | I think it uses nmb |
| 21:13.55 | hans | or references whatever name cache there might be |
| 21:14.00 | hans | windows is a mystery to me, mostly. |
| 21:14.06 | levi | There's some rogue machine taking a software license from the license server. |
| 21:14.20 | levi | And it's proving difficult to track down. |
| 21:14.38 | hans | you might also try smbclient -L //mycomputer |
| 21:14.42 | hans | see if anything there is telling |
| 21:15.16 | levi | Apparently it identifies itself to the license server with a particular name, but it's not responding to that name otherwise. |
| 21:16.17 | tensai | when I run "net lookup" it uses NBNS and queries our WINS server, which is how I have samba set up. It's a member of the NT4 domain. |
| 21:16.17 | levi | Actually, hmm... I wonder if name resolution in a workgroup works across subnets? |
| 21:16.20 | tensai | no, it won't unless you have a WINS server |
| 21:39.00 | lars-ut-away | then I include the WINS server in my DHCP setup |
| 21:39.50 | lars-ut | doh - I was sety to away - did the msgs come through? |
| 21:39.58 | lars-ut | s/sety/set |
| 21:41.55 | vontrapp | yah |
| 21:42.04 | lars-ut | thx |
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| 21:44.08 | sjansen | Arghh. |
| 21:44.15 | tene | itsasjansen! |
| 21:44.24 | sjansen | How does one configure a persistent virtual interface on Ubuntu? |
| 21:44.34 | sjansen | I'd settle for how to do it on Debian. |
| 21:44.52 | tene | tried the graphic 'network configuration' tool? |
| 21:44.56 | vontrapp | persistent as in mac address? |
| 21:45.21 | sjansen | persistent as in when I boot lo:0 has ip address 172.x.x.x |
| 21:46.20 | vontrapp | probably try the gui thing, but in debian i would put the following in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:46.29 | vontrapp | iface lo:0 inet static |
| 21:46.37 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.43 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.49 | vontrapp | auto lo:0 |
| 21:47.19 | vontrapp | there's other stuff to, to make it bind to the lo device and whatnot |
| 21:49.00 | sjansen | turns out there's a simple explanation for why what I thought should work didn't |
| 21:49.02 | vontrapp | ~putty sjansen in the face |
| 21:49.02 | ibot | ACTION rolls a thick putty bat and beats sjansen in the face with it |
| 21:49.22 | sjansen | ~tree vontrapp |
| 21:49.58 | vontrapp | :P |
| 21:50.15 | sjansen | ibot: tree $who is <action> sizes up a tree and chops it down in just the right place to fall on $who |
| 21:50.15 | ibot | sjansen: okay |
| 21:50.17 | sjansen | ~tree vontrapp |
| 21:50.17 | ibot | ACTION sizes up a tree and chops it down in just the right place to fall on sjansen |
| 21:50.32 | vontrapp | lol |
| 21:50.42 | sjansen | ibot: Don't you love me anymore? |
| 21:50.56 | sjansen | ~literal putty |
| 21:50.56 | ibot | "putty" is "a GPLed ssh/scp for win32 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/" |
| 21:50.57 | vontrapp | ~no tree $someone is <action> sizes up a tree and chops it down in just the right place to fall on sjansen |
| 21:50.57 | ibot | vontrapp: okay |
| 21:51.03 | vontrapp | ~tree sjansen |
| 21:51.03 | ibot | ACTION sizes up a tree and chops it down in just the right place to fall on sjansen |
| 21:51.08 | vontrapp | see, it works |
| 21:51.10 | sjansen | ~tree vontrapp |
| 21:51.11 | ibot | ACTION sizes up a tree and chops it down in just the right place to fall on sjansen |
| 21:51.14 | vontrapp | lol |
| 21:51.40 | sjansen | ibot: tree $vontrapp is <action> sizes up a tree and chops it down in just the right place to fall on $vontrapp |
| 21:51.40 | ibot | ACTION sizes up a tree and chops it down in just the right place to fall on sjansen |
| 21:51.43 | sjansen | ~tree vontrapp |
| 21:51.43 | ibot | ACTION sizes up a tree and chops it down in just the right place to fall on sjansen |
| 21:51.55 | sjansen | ibot: no, tree $vontrapp is <action> sizes up a tree and chops it down in just the right place to fall on $vontrapp |
| 21:51.55 | ibot | sjansen: okay |
| 21:51.57 | sjansen | ~tree vontrapp |
| 21:51.57 | ibot | ACTION sizes up a tree and chops it down in just the right place to fall on vontrapp |
| 21:52.23 | sjansen | better |
| 21:52.45 | tene | ~tree the moon |
| 21:52.45 | ibot | ACTION sizes up a tree and chops it down in just the right place to fall on the moon |
| 21:53.05 | tene | ibot: no, tree $vontrapp is <action> sizes up a tree and chops it down in just the right place to fall on $vontrapp. |
| 21:53.05 | ibot | okay, tene |
| 21:53.09 | tene | ~tree the moon |
| 21:53.09 | ibot | ACTION sizes up a tree and chops it down in just the right place to fall on the moon. |
| 21:56.25 | lars-ut | ~literal tree |
| 21:56.25 | ibot | "tree" is "a big leafy thing" |
| 21:56.50 | sjansen | ~starwars vontrapp |
| 21:56.59 | lars-ut | ~jedi vontrapp |
| 21:56.59 | ibot | ACTION jumps in her x-wing fighter and blows vontrapp to pieces |
| 21:57.17 | lars-ut | ~literal jedi |
| 21:57.17 | ibot | "jedi" is "<reply>patience, young padawan||<action> chops off $who's head with her lightsaber||<action> jumps in her x-wing fighter and blows $who to pieces||<action> plays jedi mind tricks on $who||<action> zaps $who with her jedi powers" |
| 21:57.43 | sjansen | ~starwars vontrapp |
| 21:57.43 | ibot | ACTION forces vontrapp to watch the first three episodes of Star Wars looped for twelve straight hours |
| 21:57.56 | lars-ut | ~literal starwars |
| 21:57.56 | ibot | "starwars" is "something interesting" |
| 21:58.02 | lars-ut | ? |
| 21:58.28 | vontrapp | ~literal starwars $lars-ut |
| 21:58.28 | ibot | ACTION forces $lars-ut to watch the first three episodes of Star Wars looped for twelve straight hours |
| 21:58.43 | lars-ut | ahso |
| 21:58.45 | vontrapp | um-hmm |
| 22:15.10 | mrpull | can anyone substantiate rumors of a performance penalty of using Linux LVM? |
| 22:16.54 | tensai | obviously there will be some impact, but in my experience it has been negligable |
| 22:17.06 | mrpull | that has been my experience as well. |
| 22:17.22 | mrpull | a customers said "a lot of people" complain of performance problems |
| 22:17.30 | mrpull | i've never heard a complaint |
| 22:18.38 | tensai | I'm just running a very simple test with dd and I can't tell a difference between lvm and non-lvm |
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| 22:26.10 | hans | i've never noticed a difference. |
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