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| 00:49.03 | *** topic/#utah by tensai -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. |
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| 03:21.12 | tensai | hans: ping |
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| 03:47.30 | levi | Good evening. |
| 03:48.14 | tensai | levi: get the dsl fixed? |
| 03:48.46 | levi | Yeah, the modem had flaked out or something, so I had my wife power cycle it. |
| 03:48.59 | levi | Came right back up, and everything was fine. |
| 03:49.25 | tensai | craptiontec? |
| 03:49.32 | levi | Yup. |
| 03:49.39 | tensai | why am I not surprised |
| 03:50.29 | tensai | I saw one of the new cisco 800 routers the other day. looks pretty nice. I'd trade my actiontec in a heartbeat. |
| 03:50.42 | tensai | they run full blown IOS rather than CBOS of the 67X |
| 03:53.31 | levi | I don't know what IOS and CBOS are. |
| 03:54.53 | tensai | IOS is cisco's OS. CBOS is a "special" version for consumer grade routers, like the 675. It's similar in syntax but still quite different. |
| 03:59.17 | tensai | Maquis: does everything made in Seattle crash? |
| 04:08.36 | Maquis | tensai: yup |
| 04:11.04 | Maquis | tensai: one recommendation: don't fly in any airplanes :) |
| 04:14.55 | Maquis | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050728/ap_on_hi_te/google_microsoft;_ylt=AnO6g89RGNJwGkxCdwb1k3Vk24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTA3cjE0b2MwBHNlYwM3Mzg- |
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| 04:23.30 | tensai | word of caution: starting multiple copies of a database is not recommended if you value data integrity |
| 04:30.46 | Maquis | tensai: ummm... yeah.... |
| 04:30.52 | Maquis | did you just learn that? :) |
| 04:40.10 | tensai | I would have guessed that. obviously I didn't do it by design. |
| 04:45.33 | Maquis | tensai: :) |
| 04:45.43 | Maquis | i learn things in that way all the time! :) |
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| 11:58.07 | Maquis | bah |
| 11:58.16 | Maquis | i don't want to get up |
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| 13:20.54 | graphyx | Hey I have a system here with some bad sectors on an ntfs partition. What can I do from knoppix to either test the drive/ recover the data? |
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| 14:42.13 | goozbach | groovy... |
| 14:42.29 | goozbach | my new digital camera uses USB mass storage |
| 14:42.45 | goozbach | and it has a SD slot |
| 14:43.01 | goozbach | so I don't have to buy a SD card reader anymore |
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| 14:47.30 | xbmodder | hey cartercomputers will use Xen for server virtuilization right? |
| 14:48.14 | xbmodder | goozbach, |
| 14:49.24 | graphyx | goozbach: Why don't you buy one of those 17 media in one readers for like $20? |
| 14:49.54 | xbmodder | lol |
| 14:52.47 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
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| 15:00.07 | xbmodder | http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/misc/BidRequests/ShowBidRequest.asp?lngBidRequestId=312071&txtForceRefresh=728200510593122497 < How much do you think I should attempt to charge. |
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| 15:22.19 | Jayce^ | http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/ThinGuy?entry=the_war_on_terror_as |
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| 15:26.02 | RyanE | /clearhttp://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/ThinGuy?entry=the_war_on_terror_as |
| 15:26.17 | RyanE | dang... cut n paste gets me again... stoopid windows. |
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| 15:29.07 | tensai | ~karma |
| 15:29.07 | ibot | tensai has karma of 1 |
| 15:29.24 | tensai | and yet the power keeps going out on my datacenter |
| 15:30.47 | graphyx | ~karma |
| 15:30.47 | ibot | graphyx has neutral karma |
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| 15:31.05 | graphyx | tensai++ |
| 15:31.14 | graphyx | ~karma tensai |
| 15:31.14 | ibot | tensai has karma of 1 |
| 15:31.24 | graphyx | how do you increase your karma? |
| 15:34.29 | Jayce^ | people do the ++, but you have to reference ibot |
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| 15:35.57 | tensai | ~Jayce^++ |
| 15:36.04 | tensai | ~karma Jayce^ |
| 15:36.04 | ibot | jayce^ has karma of 2 |
| 15:36.20 | tensai | ~Jayce^++ |
| 15:36.22 | tensai | ~karma Jayce^ |
| 15:36.22 | ibot | jayce^ has karma of 3 |
| 15:38.04 | graphyx | ~tensai^++ |
| 15:38.11 | graphyx | lets see if that helps your power issues.. |
| 15:38.20 | graphyx | ~karma tensai |
| 15:38.20 | ibot | tensai has karma of 1 |
| 15:38.38 | graphyx | I can't karma you apparently.. |
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| 15:47.49 | tensai | graphyx: the ^ isn't part of the syntax, it's part of Jayce^'s goofy nick |
| 15:48.09 | graphyx | ~tensai++ |
| 15:48.15 | graphyx | ~karma tensai |
| 15:48.15 | ibot | tensai has karma of 2 |
| 15:48.19 | graphyx | ok there it goes.. |
| 15:48.29 | graphyx | now lets see if that improves anything.. |
| 15:51.17 | TimRiker | patches welcome to get karma without the addresschar. |
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| 15:56.44 | hans | tensai: pong |
| 16:04.41 | vontrapp | ~lart hans |
| 16:04.55 | Jayce^ | TimRiker, I thought it was a setup option in bloot, like most bots.. |
| 16:05.01 | Jayce^ | to listen without being referenced |
| 16:05.06 | Jayce^ | that can be a pain though |
| 16:05.27 | vontrapp | yes, but i believe we want this to be an exception to the norm |
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| 16:14.16 | Jayce^ | FYI folks, for the damian conway meeting, we now have a room number |
| 16:14.28 | Jayce^ | UVSC, room CS404 |
| 16:14.44 | Jayce^ | will have wireless |
| 16:29.57 | scott | Alright guys, I'm a bit confused here. From the beginning of the GOP platform, speaking of Abraham Lincoln: "He became our nation's greatest leader...and one of our Party's greatest heroes." Shouldn't that be the other way around? More likely he's one of the greatest leaders (considering George Washington) and the party's greatest heroe. If he's the greatest president ever then surely he's the greatest heroe of his party also, not just one of them? |
| 16:31.03 | scott | the ellipsis isn't mine. |
| 16:35.45 | TimRiker | Jayce^: I can set it to reply to anything, but not just to karma with no addressing, but require addressing to reply. |
| 16:40.03 | vontrapp | so there's reply to everything, reply when addressed but still listen, and don't do nothing unless addressed you darn bot! |
| 16:40.06 | vontrapp | am i right? |
| 16:41.10 | vontrapp | i like the middle, listen to everything but only reply when addressed |
| 16:42.08 | vontrapp | ~emulate gir |
| 16:42.08 | ibot | yay! |
| 16:42.23 | graphyx | ~emulate gir |
| 16:42.24 | ibot | you SHALL not pass! .. he went that way. |
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| 16:43.38 | niquil | eh, but it is a great way to start the day. |
| 16:43.46 | vontrapp | :) |
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| 18:10.51 | tensai | what do I run after I edit /etc/aliases for sendmail? |
| 18:12.49 | RyanE | isn't it 'newaliases' or 'newalias'? |
| 18:13.29 | tensai | RyanE: newaliases. thanks |
| 18:19.12 | vontrapp | can you restore from a mysql dump only certain tables? |
| 18:20.25 | vontrapp | or do you have to glean out the tables and then restore |
| 18:22.31 | tensai | the dump contains all the tables? you could edit the file and just take what you want. |
| 18:22.53 | tensai | you could create a second database, restore the whole thing, dump just the tables you do want and then restore that |
| 18:23.14 | vontrapp | yeah, that's what i'm doing |
| 18:23.54 | tensai | rename the tables you want to keep, restore the dump, drop the junk tables, then rename back to the original name |
| 18:24.28 | tensai | you don't happen to have a helper monkey, do you? |
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| 18:24.47 | vontrapp | hehe, nope |
| 18:32.01 | vontrapp | that was close |
| 18:32.22 | vontrapp | somebody unziped thier tables ontop of ours |
| 18:32.47 | vontrapp | fortunately, the only overlapping table was a users table |
| 18:33.40 | vontrapp | which isn't real volitile information for us |
| 18:33.46 | vontrapp | *volatile |
| 18:36.13 | vontrapp | where does root mail go on OS X? |
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| 19:01.13 | hans | vontrapp: underground |
| 19:08.04 | vontrapp | ooh, default bash parameters |
| 19:08.19 | vontrapp | param1=${1:-default} |
| 19:09.16 | vontrapp | or even just ${1:=default} |
| 19:17.19 | bonez39 | I have a new hard drive...it's at /dev/hde but cfdisk doesn't show the drive...what other fdisk or type utility can I use to view the partition table for /dev/hde |
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| 19:21.23 | hans | cfdisk /dev/hde |
| 19:21.54 | bonez39 | hans: ok....I realized that after I ask.. |
| 19:22.43 | bonez39 | as long as I set things up correctly in /etc/fstab...would there be any trouble in moving my mail folder , i.e., .mozilla-thunderbird over to the new home folder on /dev/hde9 |
| 19:23.01 | bonez39 | with the appropriate symlink in $HOME? |
| 19:23.24 | hans | shouldn't be. |
| 19:23.26 | bonez39 | I need to purge a zillion emails, and WILL but it's bogged me down... |
| 19:24.03 | bonez39 | to move the folder, just cp .mozilla-thunderbird /new/folder/location? cp .mozilla-thunderbird /home2/ |
| 19:24.45 | hans | cp -a |
| 19:26.58 | bonez39 | ok..... |
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| 19:44.35 | harleypig | Isn't there a way to find out what subdomains a particular site responds to? E.g., perl.org has dbi.perl.org, perldoc.perl.org; I want to find out what else is available. |
| 19:45.22 | hans | maybe if the dns servers let you do a transfer |
| 19:45.32 | graphyx | You could try to do a dns zone transfer from it's primary dns server. |
| 19:45.36 | graphyx | Thought that isn't always allowed. |
| 19:45.56 | graphyx | best practices suggest that it shouldn't be allowed. |
| 19:46.19 | graphyx | you could also try google. inurl: example.com |
| 19:46.27 | harleypig | Hmmm ... I seem to remember somebody saying that was possible. |
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| 19:51.15 | tene | What happens when you put pc133 ram in a motherboard that only supports up to pc100 |
| 19:52.45 | bonez39 | is cp -a /sourc/dir /destination/dir same as cp -a /sourc/dir /destination/dir/ do I need the '/' at the end or does it not matter? |
| 19:53.35 | tene | if /dest/dir already exists and is a directory, they're exactly the same |
| 19:53.36 | tene | I believe |
| 19:55.03 | bonez39 | tene: if /dest/dir does NOT exist..what do I put to create "/sourc/dir" at the new location? |
| 19:55.21 | tene | wait... |
| 19:55.33 | tene | example: |
| 19:55.42 | tene | /src/a/ is a dir |
| 19:55.47 | tene | /dest/b/ is a dir |
| 19:55.57 | tene | cp -a /src/a /dest/b |
| 19:56.00 | tene | results in: |
| 19:56.07 | tene | /dest/b/a is a dir |
| 19:56.23 | tene | is that what you want? |
| 19:56.41 | tene | or do you want /dest/b/ to contain the contents of /src/a/ ? |
| 19:59.58 | harleypig | Ah ... nslookup has the ls option ... but isn't implemented in the unix bind tools. |
| 20:03.13 | bonez39 | tene: yes, dest/b to contain the contents of /src/a |
| 20:03.32 | tene | you can't get cp to make directories |
| 20:04.13 | tene | mkdir -p is useful, though |
| 20:04.25 | tene | it doesn't error if the dir exists, and it makes all parents if necessary |
| 20:06.27 | bonez39 | ok..I'll just make the directory and then cp -a dest/b src/a/ as above |
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| 20:10.55 | lars-ut | I'm looking for good info on private jabber server - any suggestions? I've wasted 15 minutes on google & jabber.org on mostly irrelevant info so far. |
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| 20:11.31 | hans | what sort of thing are you looking for? |
| 20:11.42 | lars-ut | how to create accounts & config options |
| 20:11.59 | hans | the xml file is all you need to edit, and it's well-commented |
| 20:12.09 | hans | creating accounts is done by the users - called registration |
| 20:12.20 | lars-ut | not public, right? |
| 20:12.35 | hans | i think you can restrict registration somehow |
| 20:12.47 | hans | or at least require approval of registrations |
| 20:13.28 | lars-ut | I'd only looked at the jabber.cfg file until now - looking at jabber.xml now.... |
| 20:20.02 | Jayce^ | www.nerdtests.com/ft_nq.php |
| 20:27.59 | javert42 | Jayce^: what did you get. |
| 20:28.30 | bonez39 | tene: I ran cp -a ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/ /home2/.mozilla-thunderbird/ after running mkdir /home2/.mozilla-thunderbird so now...I have an extra directory, an extra /.mozilla-thunderbird....in there |
| 20:28.35 | javert42 | I'm only a level 72 nerd. |
| 20:28.41 | RyanE | I got 93% scored lower. Supreme Nerd. Ouch. |
| 20:29.11 | tene | you just want 'cp -a ~/.mozthing/ /home2/' |
| 20:29.14 | tene | or |
| 20:29.17 | tene | you just want 'cp -a ~/.mozthing /home2/' |
| 20:29.22 | tene | or whatever |
| 20:29.31 | Jayce^ | 98 :) |
| 20:29.56 | Jayce^ | Supreme Nerd God |
| 20:30.09 | bonez39 | tene: yes..that's what I should have ran..how do I get rid of the extra folder in middle...would it be cp /home2/.mozilla-thunderbird/.mozilla-thunderbird /home2/ ? |
| 20:30.51 | tene | no |
| 20:30.59 | lars-ut | I just learned about 'chattr +i' yesterday - I don't think I'd score to well on a nerd test, in spite of my geek pride. |
| 20:31.05 | tene | mv /home2/.mozilla/.mozilla /home2/ |
| 20:31.16 | bonez39 | ok.. |
| 20:32.46 | bonez39 | tene: now I get this: mv: cannot overwrite directory `/home2/.mozilla-thunderbird' |
| 20:33.06 | tene | well |
| 20:33.08 | bonez39 | tene: am I hopeless? |
| 20:33.20 | tene | mv /home2/mozilla /home2/tmp |
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| 20:33.34 | tene | mv /home2/tmp/.mozilla /home2/ |
| 20:33.40 | tene | rm -r /home2/tmp |
| 20:34.46 | scott | anyone know if gmail, hotmail or yahoo mark messages sent to a large number of their accounts as spam even if just the content doesn't warrant being marked as spam if sent to one account? I have to send emails out to about a thousand new students and I'm wondering if I need to spread them out over a few days to avoid getting marked as spam or if it doesn't matter. any ideas? |
| 20:35.17 | graphyx | Scott: you don't have your own email server? |
| 20:35.33 | tene | graphyx: sent *TO* hotmail/yahoo/gmail |
| 20:35.36 | tene | not from |
| 20:35.49 | graphyx | heh... |
| 20:35.50 | graphyx | nvm |
| 20:36.01 | graphyx | That to/from stuff can be tricky... |
| 20:36.05 | scott | hehe |
| 20:36.15 | tene | quite tricky |
| 20:41.25 | bonez39 | tene: I think I have this set...but am curious about the linking, I ran ln -s /home2/.mozilla-thunderbird .mozilla-thunderbird to that moz would see it and work correctly.... |
| 20:42.47 | bonez39 | tene: the question though.... .mozilla-thunderbird shows a link to the new location, but the contents of the original .moztbird folder are still on my /deb/hdb drive....yet, invisible now, since I created the symlink |
| 20:46.37 | bonez39 | tene: can I just remove the link, a la rm .mozilla-thunderbird or will that take out the whole folder? |
| 20:46.55 | tene | dunno |
| 20:48.11 | Hhhhh | Jayce^: hmm, High-level nerd here |
| 20:48.16 | Hhhhh | 82% percentile |
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| 21:04.11 | hans | if you just do an rm without the -r, and it works, then you removed a symlink |
| 21:04.16 | hans | (or a file) |
| 21:04.29 | hans | if it didn't work, you failed to remove a directory. |
| 21:05.21 | vontrapp | 87% percentile |
| 21:06.02 | vontrapp | High-level nerd |
| 21:07.26 | vontrapp | bonez39: if the destination does not exist, the directory being moved is created as the destination name and it's contents moved there |
| 21:07.48 | bonez39 | hans: thanks...I have my .mozilla-thunderbird contents moved now to /home2/.mozilla-thunderbird... |
| 21:07.48 | vontrapp | if dest does exist, then the directory is moved /into/ dest with the same name |
| 21:07.58 | bonez39 | vontrapp: so I want to put a link in /home/scott to point over there... |
| 21:08.19 | vontrapp | ln -s /home2/.mozilla-thunderbird should do the trick |
| 21:08.36 | vontrapp | provided you don't have a .mozilla-thunderbird in your home dir anymore |
| 21:09.19 | vontrapp | why do you have two homes? |
| 21:12.57 | neybar_work | one for the summer and one for the winter? |
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| 21:18.31 | bonez39 | neybar: exactly....now you have blown my cover though...... |
| 21:29.17 | vontrapp | e.g., if 1000 neeks move in, they all take the test and score higher than me, will my percentage go down |
| 21:29.54 | vontrapp | alas, the values for val= that produce percentages are in increments of 9, not sure what that means exactly |
| 21:31.51 | tene | *blinkblink* |
| 21:31.58 | tene | 92% |
| 21:32.15 | tene | That's really surprising |
| 21:40.40 | mrpull | whoa. start.com may give bloglines a run for it's money (despite having a dumb name) |
| 21:44.45 | *** join/#utah drewbono_work (~drewbono_@12.109.58.175) |
| 21:44.58 | drewbono_work | Is anyone here familiar with eDirectory? |
| 21:45.11 | mheath | Maquis: I finally finished reading that latest Harry Potter book./ |
| 21:49.48 | Maquis | mheath: how'd you like it? |
| 21:51.12 | mheath | Maquis: it left me really depressed and dreading the last book |
| 21:51.30 | mheath | Is it just me, or do her books get progressively darker? |
| 21:51.50 | mheath | The first, second, and somewhat the third books were like "wizard who can do anything conquers evil" |
| 21:51.57 | mheath | These last few have just been depressing though |
| 22:00.27 | vontrapp | ~depress mheath |
| 22:10.16 | Maquis | mheath: they are getting darker |
| 22:10.36 | Maquis | i was also rather sad after reading the last book... |
| 22:10.38 | mheath | or whatever it was |
| 22:10.40 | Maquis | but it was very well written |
| 22:10.44 | Maquis | mheath: i think i know |
| 22:11.04 | mheath | Maquis: PM? :) |
| 22:12.41 | vontrapp | Pig Monkey? |
| 22:14.24 | vontrapp | blocked ports? |
| 22:15.00 | lars-ut | tcp 0 0 *:jabc *:* LISTEN |
| 22:15.00 | lars-ut | tcp 0 0 *:jabs2s *:* LISTEN |
| 22:15.04 | fungus | R.A.B. Regulus A* Black |
| 22:15.24 | lars-ut | vontrapp: it's an internal box |
| 22:15.28 | vontrapp | Really Angry Beans |
| 22:16.36 | lars-ut | the ports aren't blocked - I even added an io section to jabber.xml for the subnet |
| 22:17.04 | lars-ut | <allow><ip>192.168.1.0</ip><mask>255.255.255.0</mask></allow> |
| 22:17.44 | lars-ut | I thought jabber would be easier for me to set up. |
| 22:19.53 | levi | I'm watching a cool video that demos using emacs and slime for lisp coding: http://common-lisp.net/project/slime/doc/slime.torrent |
| 22:33.43 | Maquis | mheath: ?? |
| 22:34.06 | mheath | Yeah, I've heard that theory, vontrapp |
| 22:34.24 | mheath | Maquis: oh, I was asking you to tell me your suspicions in PM |
| 22:34.33 | mheath | One thing really bugged me |
| 22:34.58 | mheath | Oh wow, I caught myself just in time |
| 22:35.09 | mheath | I was about to type something that would have been a spoiler |
| 22:35.46 | mheath | Maquis: I'm curious why Harry didn't talk to a certain portrait in a certain place |
| 22:50.26 | *** join/#utah markl__ (mark@dsl093-225-013.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 22:51.37 | vontrapp | that's just too wielr |
| 22:51.40 | vontrapp | um, weird |
| 22:55.17 | RyanE | von: you probably found this out when you applied for a loan? That's when the Ryan Ericksons with bad credit always show up... |
| 23:08.28 | vontrapp | RyanE: no, my boss says, "There's a Vaughn Fugal that's a pilot that works for another company, I only know that because he crashed thier jet." |
| 23:27.42 | Maquis | mheath: message me what you're wondering because i'm missing it |