| 00:00.13 | goozbach | not bad |
| 00:00.31 | mindjuju_ | on that court records website, i did a criminal background check on the name Fu Manchu and it came back with 10 results. |
| 00:01.55 | mindjuju_ | alexander theGreat brought up 10 also |
| 00:02.49 | mindjuju_ | i'd put my money on not very legit |
| 00:02.53 | goozbach | there's got to be a non-registraiton page |
| 00:03.07 | goozbach | er a non-registration type of website like this |
| 00:03.14 | goozbach | it's all public information |
| 00:03.25 | goozbach | aparently I've got unclaimed money |
| 00:03.48 | jsmith | goozbach: Each state handles it differently. |
| 00:04.03 | jsmith | goozbach: Most have a web page where you can search for your name, etc. |
| 00:19.12 | xbmodder | mindjuju_, heh |
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| 00:23.25 | xbmodder | I wish there was |
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| 01:22.38 | xbmodder | goozbach, did that guide work? |
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| 01:31.33 | Tene | so, anyone ever seen this before: http://allalone.org/ff.png |
| 01:31.38 | Tene | having firefox/thunderbird issues |
| 01:31.43 | Tene | but no problems with any other apps |
| 01:33.44 | tensai | ~lart power outages |
| 01:38.04 | xbmodder | Tene, that looks like ultra-small fonts |
| 01:38.09 | xbmodder | tensai, ouchy |
| 01:38.30 | Tene | I was more thinking 'no fonts' |
| 01:38.33 | Tene | but that might be it |
| 01:38.36 | Tene | clever xbm |
| 01:40.01 | xbmodder | or no fonts... but the reason I think its not no fonts is when I deleted my font files for openoffice. Everything was black. And Also I got LOTS of errors |
| 01:54.06 | Maquis | ~emcnabb |
| 01:54.06 | ibot | i guess emcnabb is a 14|\/|3|2 |
| 02:13.58 | Tene | ~maquis |
| 02:13.58 | ibot | i don't give information like that to filthy cardassian spies |
| 02:14.15 | Tene | Curses, I've been found out! |
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| 03:00.41 | Maquis | ~shoot Tene |
| 03:00.41 | ibot | pulls out a double barrelled shotgun and blasts maquis |
| 03:00.49 | Maquis | hey! |
| 03:01.21 | levi | Heh. |
| 03:03.39 | spr | o/~ I thought so little they rewarded me by making me the ruler of the Queen's navy ~/o |
| 03:04.01 | Maquis | spr: what's that from? |
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| 03:12.09 | spr | Maquis, HMS Pinaffore |
| 03:13.43 | Maquis | ??? never heard of it... |
| 03:14.33 | spr | Gilbert and Sullivan |
| 03:14.48 | spr | 1880's British 'lite' opera |
| 03:14.56 | Maquis | cool! |
| 03:15.04 | Maquis | how's life going? |
| 03:15.10 | spr | eh, alright |
| 03:17.18 | Maquis | jsmith: why? what happened? |
| 03:18.16 | jsmith | I'm getting berated by my boss because of a piece of code that I didn't write failed to notify us of a problem. |
| 03:18.49 | jsmith | The code is piss-poor (pardon my french), and the problem was with a library it was calling. |
| 03:19.03 | jsmith | Anyhoo, he's wonder why I didn't read the code and "spot" the problem. |
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| 03:33.02 | Maquis | jsmith: hmmm... where do you work? |
| 03:34.45 | Maquis | Newsome: is that the fact that all donuts must stop by the sysadmin office before going anywhere else? |
| 03:34.48 | Maquis | :) |
| 03:35.12 | spr | mmm...donuts... |
| 03:35.13 | mindjuju_ | in my experience, that is called Sysadmin tax |
| 03:35.29 | mindjuju_ | and it is usually first grabs or double take if not first grabs |
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| 03:54.05 | Maquis | mheath: how far? |
| 03:54.18 | mheath | Maquis, I do 1.5 miles every night |
| 03:54.26 | mheath | (1.5 miles according to Google Earth, so give or take a bit |
| 03:54.31 | mheath | er |
| 03:54.32 | Maquis | mheath: i'm impressed! |
| 03:54.34 | mheath | every night and every morning |
| 03:54.41 | Maquis | i'm more impressed :) |
| 03:54.56 | mheath | I just started doing it in the morning, though |
| 03:55.05 | mheath | I sprained my knee, and wasn't able to run for 2 weeks |
| 03:55.22 | xbmodder | ouch |
| 03:55.23 | mheath | But I have a PT test at the beginning of the training I'm going to, so I'm trying to get my speed down to a mile in 9 minutes |
| 03:55.43 | Maquis | PT test? |
| 03:56.00 | Maquis | what's your current speed for a mile? |
| 03:56.21 | mheath | PT = physical training |
| 03:56.30 | Maquis | ah... right |
| 03:56.39 | mheath | Maquis, well, I'm not sure |
| 03:56.44 | mheath | I need to time myself again |
| 03:56.49 | Maquis | ah... |
| 03:56.50 | mheath | I haven't timed myself since I started running again |
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| 03:57.00 | mheath | Before, I'm almost certain it was under 9 minutes (though I was still paranoid it wasn't) |
| 03:57.00 | Maquis | has your knee healed completely? |
| 03:57.05 | mheath | Yeah |
| 03:57.41 | mheath | I'm still paranoid my mile isn't down to 9 minutes though |
| 04:13.44 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 04:13.50 | Maquis | time yourself tomorrow morning |
| 04:13.58 | Maquis | then you won't have to be paranoid anymore |
| 04:14.33 | Maquis | ~lart emcnabb |
| 04:18.28 | TimRiker | should have done it today, but didn't get to it. |
| 04:18.46 | Maquis | TimRiker: what kinds of antique computers? |
| 04:18.55 | TimRiker | HP mini computers. |
| 04:19.09 | Maquis | (unless you can wait til late august, i can't help, but i'm interested in hearing about them) |
| 04:19.15 | Maquis | HP mini computers? hmmm... |
| 04:19.23 | TimRiker | core memory, paper tape reader/punch, 14" removeable disc platters, etc. |
| 04:24.22 | TimRiker | heh. |
| 04:24.28 | Newsome | compared to a Mainframe, they are! |
| 04:24.29 | TimRiker | http://rikers.org/gallery/hardware/ |
| 04:26.02 | Maquis | TimRiker: is your wife a techie? (or perhaps i should first ask if you're married... i don't think i've ever actually met you) |
| 04:29.14 | mindjuju_ | some of that stuff is really cool and would make awesome blinkenlights displays! |
| 04:30.20 | mindjuju_ | not sure anybody would... even the caption on this one says "other unidentified stuff" |
| 04:30.20 | mindjuju_ | http://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-utd/20050415_092849?full=1 |
| 04:30.26 | TimRiker | mindjuju_: =) the oldest (http://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-hp2116) has the coolest blinken lights I've seen. |
| 04:31.18 | TimRiker | mindjuju_: heh. that's stuff that's still at UTD salvage. I could have written down all the model numbers, but there was a lot of stuff. |
| 04:31.49 | TimRiker | Maquis: wife is a bit of a techie. I'm rubbing off on her. |
| 04:31.58 | Maquis | TimRiker: good thing... |
| 04:32.10 | Maquis | most non-techie women wouldn't let that stuff near the house... |
| 04:32.30 | TimRiker | 2 boys, 6 and 3 are advanced for their age. ;-) |
| 04:32.58 | TimRiker | Maquis: at least my hobby costs less that hers. ;-) Keri plays the harp. |
| 04:33.08 | Maquis | my mom was annoyed enough at the "old" apple laptop that i was taking apart a summer or two ago... |
| 04:33.17 | Maquis | :) |
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| 04:39.55 | mindjuju_ | that was a nice how you left in Texas. i had to make that trek too, 3 years ago |
| 04:40.04 | mindjuju_ | are you native Texan? |
| 04:43.18 | Newsome | mindjuju_: http://www.rikers.org/ |
| 04:44.21 | TimRiker | mindjuju_: nope. rochester, ny |
| 04:46.43 | Maquis | TimRiker: those things are ancient... |
| 04:46.49 | Maquis | far before my time... |
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| 05:46.33 | vontrapp | i have a .avi where the video is running slower than the audio, how can i fix this? |
| 05:47.22 | vontrapp | it's not /behind/, it's actually running slower, i can fix the sync, even over correct, it will eventually be behind again, and get really really behind |
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| 08:33.55 | *** topic/#utah is SLLUG tonight || The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. | goozbach's XEN presentation notes: http://www.friocorte.com/presentation/plug-XEN/ |
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| 15:32.04 | vontrapp | ~lart lag |
| 15:34.42 | goozbach | wow! I met a couple plug members here in philly |
| 15:34.50 | goozbach | the philly plug that is |
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| 15:38.44 | levi | Good morning. |
| 15:39.56 | goozbach | morning? |
| 15:40.01 | goozbach | I'm eating lunch |
| 15:40.21 | goozbach | of course I'm on the east coast this week |
| 15:41.11 | mheath | goozbach: why? Work? |
| 15:41.29 | mheath | I'm so happy :) |
| 15:42.03 | mheath | (I know thats not great, but keep in mind I'm a previously out-of-shape geek :P ) |
| 15:45.11 | Maquis | mheath: congrats |
| 15:47.27 | mheath | That makes me so happy |
| 15:47.51 | mheath | I was really worried I couldn't do a mile in under 9, and wouldn't be able to pass my PT test on Sunday (first day of my training) |
| 15:49.46 | graphyx | Is Micheal Torre chatting in here? |
| 15:49.51 | graphyx | Did he sell his zarius ever? |
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| 15:50.29 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 15:50.34 | graphyx | hi |
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| 15:52.05 | tensai | Jayce^: can mysql do multi-slave replication, ie. one master, two slaves? if so, how hard is the setup? |
| 15:52.54 | gthornock | mysql can replicate to multiple slaves. The master doesn't even need to know how many slaves there are. |
| 15:53.14 | tensai | gthornock: that's kinda what I figured |
| 15:53.16 | gthornock | Most of the setup is on the slave side, and doing more than one just involves repeating the same setup on each slave. |
| 15:54.25 | tensai | cool, thanks |
| 16:00.48 | goozbach | yup working |
| 16:01.29 | Maquis | graphyx: he doesn't come on much... don't know if he sold it though |
| 16:02.09 | tensai | ~seen mtorrie |
| 16:02.09 | ibot | i haven't seen 'mtorrie', tensai |
| 16:02.21 | tensai | hmm. thought that was his nick |
| 16:02.29 | tensai | ~seen torriem |
| 16:02.29 | ibot | torriem <~torriem@c-67-177-53-78.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 63d 10h 21m 23s ago, saying: ':)'. |
| 16:05.20 | graphyx | wow.. |
| 16:05.26 | graphyx | I guess he doesn't show up here much.. |
| 16:06.19 | Maquis | i think he dropped in last night briefly... ibot hasn't managed to get anything right recentyl |
| 16:06.24 | Maquis | ~lart ibot |
| 16:06.58 | graphyx | ~seen graphyx |
| 16:06.58 | ibot | i haven't seen 'graphyx', graphyx |
| 16:07.13 | graphyx | Maquis: I think you are right.. |
| 16:07.21 | graphyx | ~lart ibot |
| 16:07.28 | tensai | ~seen TimRiker |
| 16:07.28 | ibot | timriker <~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 48d 19h 39m 35s ago, saying: 'annoying DOSsers'. |
| 16:07.35 | tensai | yeah, I know he was on last night |
| 16:08.00 | tensai | ibot: tell your master that you're broken |
| 16:09.10 | Maquis | tensai: i think he has a command that sends an email to timriker with a message... not sure what the command is, though... i just remember timriker mentioning it once a number of months ago... |
| 16:09.41 | goozbach | "Is it alright if I ask this question?" |
| 16:09.58 | Maquis | goozbach: ??? |
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| 16:10.12 | goozbach | just wondering... |
| 16:10.20 | graphyx | no |
| 16:10.42 | goozbach | graphyx: you just validated it by a response |
| 16:11.43 | Hhhhh | goozbach: "Is it alright if I answer it?" |
| 16:12.48 | tensai | ~bug |
| 16:12.48 | ibot | bug is probably n: A son of a glitch. An error in design or programming in hardware or software. Effects range from cosmetic errors to system crash and loss of data. See also Feature. |
| 16:12.54 | tensai | ~sendbug |
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| 16:18.54 | Hhhhh | ~bug |
| 16:18.54 | ibot | methinks bug is n: A son of a glitch. An error in design or programming in hardware or software. Effects range from cosmetic errors to system crash and loss of data. See also Feature. |
| 16:24.55 | hans | Dance! |
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| 16:28.38 | tensai | hans: I've been converted. I think list reply-to on plug is a Bad Thing(tm) |
| 16:29.01 | hans | yay |
| 16:29.10 | hans | one step closer to world domination |
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| 16:34.33 | tensai | Maquis: good job, you bored Hhhhh to death |
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| 16:49.02 | Maquis | tensai: sorry |
| 16:51.54 | Maquis | for those of you with either split keyboards or a better knowledge of "correct typing", which hand does B and which hand does Y? |
| 16:52.42 | vontrapp | i think Typing Tuter(TM) said b was either |
| 16:53.08 | tensai | I learned that b was left hand. that's how I typed it anyway |
| 16:53.34 | vontrapp | Y is right hand, but i occasionally reach to it with the left mostly when salting syntax nearby |
| 16:53.45 | levi | I learned b is left and y is right. |
| 16:54.06 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 16:54.14 | Maquis | i do them both with right... and i only shift with right... |
| 16:54.26 | vontrapp | ~lart Maquis |
| 16:54.27 | Maquis | which means that Y hurts after a while |
| 16:54.41 | Maquis | B doesn't hurt, though |
| 16:54.43 | Tene | Maquis: I alternate, depending on which finger is closer at the moment I want to press 'b' |
| 16:55.03 | vontrapp | b is just hard to reach in general |
| 16:55.04 | vontrapp | i hate b |
| 16:55.35 | levi | The Microsoft split keyboards have the b on the left and the y on the right as well. |
| 16:57.58 | hans | I use either (usually right) for b |
| 16:58.14 | hans | when I've used split keyboards, I think b has been my hangup |
| 16:59.59 | levi | How many learned to type via a typing class? |
| 17:00.43 | RyanE | 8th grade typing class |
| 17:00.46 | hans | typing tutor, baby |
| 17:00.56 | hans | version 3 |
| 17:01.05 | hans | and none of that flaky bacon stuff |
| 17:01.43 | vontrapp | flaky bacon? |
| 17:03.17 | vontrapp | ugh, can't stand it when my mouse makes scratchy noises |
| 17:03.47 | hans | cut back on the bacon |
| 17:03.55 | hans | it attracts rodents |
| 17:04.37 | levi | I took a typing class my Junior year in High School. I wanted to improve my typing efficiency for MUDding. ;) |
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| 17:08.35 | Maquis | vontrapp: i'm guessing that "mavis bacon teaches typing" or whatever |
| 17:08.48 | Maquis | i learned with typing tutor and 3rd or 4th grade typing class |
| 17:08.55 | Maquis | but i still don't do it right |
| 17:14.43 | vontrapp | ah, wasn't it mavis beacon? i 'used' that once or twice, can't say i really learned anything from it |
| 17:14.57 | vontrapp | i just liked to get the car going fast |
| 17:16.28 | tensai | started with a simple typing book but also took a class in high school. I'm proud to say I actually did learn to type on a typewriter. |
| 17:16.43 | tensai | last year before the school dumped them all for 286s |
| 17:16.54 | levi | My school had typewriters, too. |
| 17:17.03 | vontrapp | ~mourn the typewriter |
| 17:17.03 | ibot | ACTION lights some candles for the typewriter |
| 17:17.17 | tensai | typewriters put hair on your chest |
| 17:17.23 | levi | I previous class I took had computers, though. I didn't really want to learn to type at the time, so I didn't. I had fun writing BASIC programs on them, though. |
| 17:17.28 | hans | our accounting dept still has a typewriter |
| 17:17.53 | vontrapp | ~lart cold |
| 17:18.07 | tensai | staples still stocks brand new typewriters. I sold a couple when I worked there. |
| 17:18.30 | levi | They're more convenient for filling out forms than printers. |
| 17:18.34 | tensai | Maquis: ha! Mavis Bacon. Sounds yummy. |
| 17:19.12 | tensai | and dot matrix printers have a following as well. quite useful for multiple page paper. |
| 17:19.32 | Maquis | 5A5A5A5A5B5B5B5A5A5B5A5B5B5B5A |
| 17:19.33 | hans | don't frget the line printers! |
| 17:20.08 | vontrapp | Maquis: ugh, that's gotta be annoying to type |
| 17:20.19 | Maquis | it's actually not, though |
| 17:20.30 | Maquis | 5A5B5B5B5A5B5B5A5B5B5A5B5A5B5B5A5B |
| 17:20.38 | vontrapp | shift-unshift-shift-unshift |
| 17:20.48 | Maquis | uh uh... |
| 17:20.50 | vontrapp | unless you cheat with capslock |
| 17:21.00 | Maquis | neither |
| 17:21.00 | hans | 5a5a5a5a5a5a5a5a55b5b5b5b5b5b5b5b5b5b5b5a5a5a5a5a55a |
| 17:21.06 | Maquis | ctrl-alt-up |
| 17:21.10 | Maquis | ctrl-alt-down... |
| 17:21.27 | vontrapp | that gives me 7A7B |
| 17:21.43 | Maquis | meh... |
| 17:21.52 | vontrapp | still cheating though |
| 17:23.13 | vontrapp | stupid cold office |
| 17:25.28 | vontrapp | that's another upside of winter, you can wear sweaters for the cold indoors and not worry about having a sweater on out in the heat |
| 17:28.01 | hans | the downside of winter is that some stupid people turn the heaters way up |
| 17:28.14 | hans | so you need shorts indoors just to keep from burning up |
| 17:28.23 | vontrapp | heh |
| 17:28.33 | vontrapp | ~lart climate control |
| 17:28.33 | hans | sweaters were out of the question. layering made no sense |
| 17:28.35 | hans | this is BYU |
| 17:30.05 | vontrapp | i've been wanting to go to lunch for the past hour just to get outside where it's warm |
| 17:31.21 | vontrapp | i think i'll go now |
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| 18:09.51 | tensai | TimRiker: we noticed that ibot's "seen" function isn't working too well |
| 18:09.55 | tensai | ~seen Hhhhh |
| 18:09.55 | ibot | hhhhh <~cristobal@c-67-169-244-47.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 49d 33m 43s ago, saying: 'hello'. |
| 18:10.14 | tensai | but he was just here at 10:30 |
| 18:10.18 | *** part/#utah mindjuju_ (~mindjuju@216.20.238.225) |
| 18:10.24 | tensai | ~seen mindjuju_ |
| 18:10.24 | ibot | mindjuju_ is currently on #uphpu (5m 6s) #phlyte (5m 6s) |
| 18:10.52 | TimRiker | tensai: nod. I don't know what broke it. |
| 18:12.46 | tensai | must have been sometime in the last 49 days |
| 18:13.05 | tensai | what database backend does ibot us? |
| 18:13.09 | tensai | s/us/use/ |
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| 18:18.32 | TimRiker | tensai: apt/ibot/jbot/purl use sqlite |
| 18:18.49 | hans | it was when you moved |
| 18:19.05 | hans | at least, that's when I noticed |
| 18:19.17 | TimRiker | I moved the hard drive from one machine to another. |
| 18:19.30 | TimRiker | It may be when I upgraded to sarge. |
| 18:19.38 | hans | well a guy here, his citrix stopped working when he changed phone numbers |
| 18:19.48 | TimRiker | Perhaps I should dump/reload the database and see if that helps. |
| 18:20.53 | tensai | hans: oh, yeah. that makes total sense. did you try *45##111? or Ctrl-Alt-A-U-3-\? |
| 18:21.28 | hans | :) |
| 18:21.32 | hans | well he _is_ dialup |
| 18:21.34 | hans | heh |
| 18:21.52 | hans | the vpn works great, btw |
| 18:21.54 | hans | it's just citrix |
| 18:22.02 | hans | not sure yet what the real problem is |
| 18:22.20 | tensai | oh, I see. I thought it was pbx extensions. |
| 18:24.07 | tensai | speaking of vpn, I've switched completely to openvpn. it rocks. I'm using SSL certs for authentication. Even set it up for my boss and it worked like a charm. |
| 18:24.20 | hans | oh yeah. |
| 18:24.37 | hans | did you know I have a hacked up installer that makes it point-and-click easy for windows users? |
| 18:24.41 | tensai | I like being able to customize the vpn for each client and push routes. so cool. |
| 18:24.56 | tensai | hans: I seem to recall some mention of that |
| 18:30.36 | Maquis | AAAIIIIIGGGGHHHHH!!! |
| 18:31.03 | vontrapp | ~console Maquis |
| 18:31.03 | ibot | ACTION gives Maquis the consolation moose |
| 18:31.17 | vontrapp | hey, i want a moose |
| 18:39.51 | vontrapp | "Trample off, eh" |
| 18:42.37 | mheath | Anyone here have any problems with Ubuntu's install CD? |
| 18:43.01 | emcnabb | http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/07/25/bachelor.billboard.ap/index.html |
| 18:43.09 | mheath | I was trying to install Ubuntu on here (A dualboot system) and ended up REALLY pissing my dad off because it screwed up the partition table and the NTFS partition |
| 18:44.05 | mheath | Ended up having to reinstall Windows for him, and I had to blank out the entire HDD with zeros.....Windows broke down on the messed up partition table |
| 18:46.25 | TimRiker | hans: looks like some missed code changes to handle sqlite2 |
| 18:46.31 | TimRiker | ibot: reload |
| 18:46.31 | ibot | reloading... |
| 18:46.31 | ibot | reloaded: Schedulers.pl Process.pl |
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| 18:48.11 | TimRiker | ibot: save |
| 18:48.11 | ibot | saved user and chan files |
| 18:48.18 | TimRiker | ibot: quit |
| 18:49.01 | TimRiker | ibot: die |
| 18:52.24 | *** join/#utah ibot (ibot@apt.bot.TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 18:52.24 | *** topic/#utah is SLLUG tonight || The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. | goozbach's XEN presentation notes: http://www.friocorte.com/presentation/plug-XEN/ |
| 18:52.25 | *** mode/#utah [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 18:52.45 | mheath | ibot: hello :) |
| 18:52.45 | ibot | I don't understand smilies. Don't use them. |
| 18:53.14 | hans | heh. |
| 18:53.21 | hans | is that because microsoft patented them? |
| 18:53.51 | TimRiker | no, that was bob. |
| 18:53.52 | mheath | ooh |
| 18:55.08 | Maquis | @#$@#%#$ |
| 18:55.27 | mheath | ugh |
| 18:55.29 | mheath | this is horrible! |
| 19:01.15 | hans | ~seen sjansen |
| 19:01.16 | ibot | sjansen <~sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 4d 21h 32m 6s ago, saying: 'But that isn't the point of the example.'. |
| 19:01.24 | hans | that's more like it |
| 19:02.04 | vontrapp | ~seen Hhhh |
| 19:02.04 | ibot | vontrapp: i haven't seen 'hhhh' |
| 19:02.22 | vontrapp | ~seen Hhhhh |
| 19:02.22 | ibot | hhhhh <~cristobal@c-67-169-244-47.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2h 43m 28s ago, saying: '~bug'. |
| 19:03.14 | vontrapp | ~botsnack |
| 19:03.14 | ibot | thanks, vontrapp |
| 19:03.24 | hans | ibot: you rock ;-D |
| 19:03.24 | ibot | hans: thanks |
| 19:03.31 | hans | he didn't complain about that smiley |
| 19:16.13 | mheath | ibot: am I your friend now? :) |
| 19:18.37 | vontrapp | ~lart the man behind the curtain |
| 19:19.03 | vontrapp | don't have as tight a leash as you'd like us to believe, eh ;) |
| 19:20.01 | *** join/#utah xbmodder1 (nobody@dsl092-015-136.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 19:20.05 | xbmodder1 | hey |
| 19:20.11 | xbmodder1 | does anyone know of any good live streams? |
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| 19:27.03 | neybar_work | live streams of what? |
| 19:27.15 | neybar_work | music, talk, water? |
| 19:32.56 | xbmodder1 | #http://audio.str3am.com:5100/ |
| 19:39.19 | hans | the rio grande is a pretty good stream |
| 19:40.55 | xbmodder1 | lol |
| 19:56.10 | vontrapp | what's a good scope program to run on a remote computer to see if anything is going over the sound card? |
| 20:08.29 | Maquis | ACK! |
| 20:11.43 | hans | ACK? I've never heard of that vumeter |
| 20:15.01 | goozbach | Maquis: I'll bite... |
| 20:15.04 | goozbach | what's wrong? |
| 20:15.10 | Maquis | lots of things |
| 20:17.47 | Maquis | so, i'm creating a pop-up, and in that pop-up is a form |
| 20:17.55 | Maquis | in that form, is a text field, and a button |
| 20:18.13 | Maquis | if you are typing in the text field, and hit enter, the pop-up just closes |
| 20:18.30 | vontrapp | that's what it's supposed to do or what it does? |
| 20:18.31 | Maquis | if you type and hit the button, it does what it's supposed to do |
| 20:18.39 | Maquis | vontrapp: what it does |
| 20:18.55 | vontrapp | Maquis: do you have an onsubmit callback? |
| 20:19.39 | vontrapp | <form ... onsubmit="func();"> |
| 20:20.02 | Maquis | nope |
| 20:20.14 | vontrapp | is the button /in/ the form? |
| 20:20.24 | vontrapp | and is it a <submit> or a <button> |
| 20:20.48 | Maquis | the button has an onclick and the text field has an onkeypress (which i've already checked --- it doesn't close the window) |
| 20:20.55 | Maquis | it's a <button> |
| 20:21.13 | Maquis | it should work... it just doesn't... |
| 20:21.16 | vontrapp | ok, so you just want to dispose of the closing |
| 20:21.23 | Maquis | it used to work... and i haven't changed anything :( |
| 20:21.24 | vontrapp | everything else works as desired |
| 20:21.35 | vontrapp | so just put in the form, onsubmit="false" |
| 20:21.36 | Maquis | aside from the fact that when it closes, it isn't doing what it's supposed to do |
| 20:21.52 | vontrapp | because the button's onclick is not called |
| 20:22.26 | Maquis | won't that mess up all the items in the form that actually use form.submit()? |
| 20:22.43 | Maquis | (it's a much bigger page than i was giving it credit for in the explanation) |
| 20:23.30 | vontrapp | hmm, not sure, i'd have to know everything that's going on |
| 20:23.46 | Maquis | here's a thing |
| 20:23.55 | Maquis | if i'm not in the pop-up (other forms use the same code), it doesn't close |
| 20:24.58 | vontrapp | what happens when you click the button? |
| 20:25.26 | vontrapp | as in, what function get called and what do they do |
| 20:25.36 | Maquis | it onclick="return doSearch(); |
| 20:26.22 | vontrapp | and then what happens? |
| 20:26.23 | Maquis | runs another function, submits, then returns false |
| 20:26.41 | Maquis | the other function is the one on the onkeypress of the text field |
| 20:27.12 | vontrapp | ok, i think onsubmit="return doSearch();" should do it for you |
| 20:27.17 | Maquis | (that function sets 3 values in the form, then returns false) |
| 20:27.30 | vontrapp | except, that might give you a loop |
| 20:27.33 | Maquis | but... i can't put that in the form tag... |
| 20:27.42 | vontrapp | why not? |
| 20:28.08 | Maquis | because90% of the items on the form don't go and do a search |
| 20:28.12 | vontrapp | i would change the button to call form.submit() |
| 20:28.31 | vontrapp | and the onsubmit="return doSearch();" |
| 20:29.33 | vontrapp | but those items /do/ call form.submit() ? |
| 20:30.07 | vontrapp | what happens when the form is submitted? |
| 20:30.23 | Maquis | they all call form.submit |
| 20:30.33 | vontrapp | it almost seems to me like you wouldn't want to submit the form |
| 20:30.58 | Maquis | it goes to a servlet that uses various form values to figure out what it's supposed to do... |
| 20:32.34 | vontrapp | does the onkeypress function call form.submit? |
| 20:33.07 | vontrapp | i'm pretty sure window.close() has to be called explicity for the window to be closed |
| 20:33.29 | vontrapp | so maybe just look for close() |
| 20:35.55 | Maquis | onkeypress doesn't call form.submit |
| 20:36.03 | Maquis | i looked for close already... |
| 20:36.08 | Maquis | i think i might've found something though |
| 20:36.45 | Maquis | apparently when javascript comes across an uncaught exception, it likes to close a window |
| 20:37.41 | Maquis | or maybe that's not what caused it |
| 20:38.41 | vontrapp | my gut says that the enter is causing the form to submit, and without a false return value, the window closes |
| 20:39.01 | vontrapp | e.g. in your other functions, you call submit, do whatever, and return false |
| 20:40.11 | vontrapp | even though i'm pretty sure the window wouldn't close anyway without calling close() |
| 20:40.24 | vontrapp | that's all i can think of |
| 20:50.59 | Maquis | vontrapp: to get the form to do nothing, i should be returning false, right/ |
| 20:54.03 | vontrapp | well, if you do onsubmit="return false;" then it will do nothing |
| 20:54.23 | vontrapp | not even submit the information to the specified action |
| 20:55.03 | Maquis | adding ;return false to the end of the onkeypress stops it... |
| 20:55.21 | Maquis | why it has never needed that before has me puzzled, though |
| 20:55.33 | vontrapp | or you could onkeypress="return func();" where the onkeypress function returns false |
| 20:56.00 | Maquis | never mind... |
| 20:56.05 | vontrapp | didn't work? |
| 20:56.12 | Maquis | that just prevented anything from being written into the text field |
| 20:56.22 | vontrapp | heh |
| 20:57.15 | vontrapp | you could check the keycode and if it's enter, return false |
| 21:04.25 | vontrapp | there's gotta be a case where the window does close... what is that? |
| 21:04.45 | Maquis | if i use the code that worked yesterday/ |
| 21:04.46 | Maquis | ? |
| 21:05.05 | vontrapp | what does the user do to close the window |
| 21:05.19 | Hhhhh | UGH |
| 21:05.24 | vontrapp | MUGH |
| 21:06.07 | Hhhhh | I installed the new nForce drivers for Windows but I had the Daemon Tools drivers installed...now Winders gives the blue screen every time I try to boot |
| 21:06.38 | vontrapp | Daemon Tools has nForce drivers? |
| 21:06.44 | Hhhhh | no |
| 21:06.53 | Hhhhh | but Daemon Tools installs a pseudo-driver |
| 21:07.00 | Maquis | vontrapp: there's a close window button... or if they submit the form in some other ways, or a couple other things... |
| 21:07.13 | Hhhhh | or hardware module that tricks windows into thinking there are additional drives |
| 21:07.30 | Hhhhh | but installing the new nForce drivers on top of that, well, that didn't go well |
| 21:07.30 | vontrapp | yeah, i know daemon tools, it rocks |
| 21:07.39 | Hhhhh | well, right now it sucks for me |
| 21:07.44 | Hhhhh | sucking BAD |
| 21:07.53 | vontrapp | Maquis: submitting the form in what ways? |
| 21:08.00 | Hhhhh | but it's not the product, it's the combination of these two things |
| 21:08.17 | vontrapp | it's windows :-P |
| 21:10.20 | graphyx | so you could mount a iso9660 drive from another system? |
| 21:10.24 | graphyx | Interesting.. |
| 21:10.52 | vontrapp | i specifically want to play a dvd over the network, but yeah, that's the idea |
| 21:11.08 | graphyx | can't you do a remote x11 session for that purpoise? |
| 21:11.23 | vontrapp | too bandwidth intensive |
| 21:11.34 | graphyx | Wouldn't sending a DVD be bandwidth limited as well? |
| 21:11.39 | vontrapp | much better to transfer the data /before/ decoding |
| 21:11.44 | graphyx | sure. |
| 21:11.57 | vontrapp | and playing fullscreen esp |
| 21:11.58 | levi | Compressed DVD data is a LOT less bandwidth than the decoded video stream. |
| 21:12.55 | levi | Doesn't videolan do across-the-network video playing? |
| 21:13.10 | vontrapp | never heard of it |
| 21:13.47 | vontrapp | last night i was trying to play the VOB but i've no idea how to decrypt it that way |
| 21:14.10 | levi | Well, you might want to look at it. |
| 21:14.35 | vontrapp | look at videolan? |
| 21:14.39 | levi | Yes. |
| 21:14.56 | levi | If you want to play DVDs or other MPEG videos over the network. |
| 21:15.29 | vontrapp | no dvd player at home, have a computer hooked up to the TV, but it doesn't have a dvd drive, but my laptop does |
| 21:16.00 | *** part/#utah graphyx (~mike@67.50.46.118) |
| 21:17.13 | vontrapp | would videolan work over wireless? |
| 21:17.34 | levi | I dunno. I haven't looked at in a while. |
| 21:18.27 | levi | I do know it supports DVDs, though, and the whole point of it was to watch videos over a LAN... thus the name. |
| 21:18.57 | vontrapp | yeah, the only thing would be it fits the wireless bandwidth |
| 21:19.15 | levi | Are you using b or g? |
| 21:19.46 | vontrapp | it's set to mixed atm, but i think i could put it to G, only three computers using it, mine and two ibooks |
| 21:20.02 | levi | Well, that would probably help. |
| 21:20.28 | levi | Anyway, I don't know enough to say whether or not it would work. You could always buy a DVD drive for the computer, too. |
| 21:20.44 | vontrapp | meh, you're talking to a fugal here |
| 21:20.53 | Jayce^ | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050726/film_nm/voltron_dc/nc:790;_ylt=AlO0VkGrS_8DYb81SPLaR6YwFxkF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl |
| 21:21.34 | levi | DVD drives are old tech, and you could probably find someone who'll give you one for free. |
| 21:21.35 | vontrapp | wonderful |
| 21:21.52 | vontrapp | stood a foot tall |
| 21:22.02 | vontrapp | foot and 1/2 maybe |
| 21:22.15 | levi | I watched Voltron every morning. |
| 21:24.06 | Jayce^ | when we came back to the US, I had a Voltes V toy the same height as me (say 3.5 feet)... now he rocked |
| 21:24.47 | *** join/#utah mheath (~mheath@c-67-161-213-34.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 21:25.12 | hans | heh "Voltron" is now the second giant robot picture being developed; "Transformers" is set up at DreamWorks Pictures. |
| 21:25.38 | *** join/#utah mindjuju (~mindjuju@216.20.238.225) |
| 21:25.43 | mheath | Voltron....that sounds really familiar... |
| 21:25.48 | levi | But is Weird Al going to be involved? |
| 21:25.50 | *** part/#utah mindjuju (~mindjuju@216.20.238.225) |
| 21:33.26 | vontrapp | actual commercial quote, "And something we didn't invent, but improved... Employee price!" |
| 21:34.20 | vontrapp | (car dealer commercial, if you don't listen to radio or watch TV) |
| 21:35.30 | vontrapp | i don't think there's a single car dealership in the quadrant that hasn't jumped on this bandwagon, it's annoying |
| 21:36.19 | tyce | its not just new car sales either. |
| 21:36.43 | tyce | there is a sign down the road from where I work for a used car lot offering their employee discount |
| 21:36.56 | tyce | cracked me up |
| 21:37.57 | Jayce^ | tyce, the one on 800 N in orem? |
| 21:38.07 | tyce | yep ;) |
| 21:38.09 | tyce | thats the one |
| 21:38.15 | Jayce^ | you work close to me then |
| 21:38.24 | tyce | where do you work? |
| 21:38.31 | tyce | Im off 1200N |
| 21:38.42 | Jayce^ | at canyon park (old WP campus) |
| 21:38.45 | tyce | in the Novell campus |
| 21:38.45 | Jayce^ | ditto |
| 21:38.48 | tyce | yep |
| 21:38.48 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 21:38.52 | Jayce^ | building Q? |
| 21:38.52 | vontrapp | spamassassin-ed in russia |
| 21:38.57 | Jayce^ | only one on 1200 |
| 21:39.01 | tyce | which company? |
| 21:39.06 | tyce | yep |
| 21:39.21 | Jayce^ | United Online |
| 21:39.30 | Jayce^ | building Q, 2nd floor, North Side |
| 21:39.42 | tyce | :) Verio. top floor |
| 21:39.55 | Jayce^ | hehe, yup |
| 21:39.57 | Jayce^ | quite close |
| 21:40.37 | tyce | yeah, just a little. ;) |
| 21:40.49 | Jayce^ | is it somebody in that office that has the PERLROX license plate? |
| 21:41.20 | tyce | :) I think so |
| 21:41.31 | Jayce^ | was trying to figure out who that was |
| 21:41.36 | Jayce^ | need more to come to perl mongers |
| 21:41.49 | Jayce^ | you need to tell your coworkers about the Damian Meeting we're having |
| 21:42.10 | tyce | is there info on the site? |
| 21:42.18 | Jayce^ | no, sjansen hasn't done anything |
| 21:42.24 | Jayce^ | I sent out the email about it though |
| 21:42.33 | tyce | I don't think Im on the mailing list |
| 21:42.49 | Jayce^ | wuss |
| 21:42.52 | tyce | :) |
| 21:42.54 | Jayce^ | 2nd wednesday next month |
| 21:43.02 | Jayce^ | Damian Conway will be presenting to plug :) |
| 21:43.14 | tyce | you mind sending it to me again? |
| 21:43.24 | tyce | Ill foward it on to the group |
| 21:43.41 | tyce | plug@afterwater.com |
| 21:43.52 | mheath | 2nd wednesday next month...I'll be out of town :( |
| 21:44.25 | Jayce^ | http://plug.org/pipermail/plug/2005-July/015765.html |
| 21:44.35 | Jayce^ | there's the link to it tyce |
| 21:44.40 | tyce | nice |
| 21:44.41 | tyce | thanks |
| 21:44.51 | mheath | Wish I could go to that presentation though |
| 21:44.52 | Jayce^ | we need a big turnout |
| 21:44.53 | mheath | sounds awesome |
| 21:45.09 | Jayce^ | we'll have some copies of his new book |
| 21:45.59 | Jayce^ | which dept are you in tyce ? |
| 21:48.38 | tyce | sent to the list |
| 21:48.44 | tyce | dev |
| 21:48.53 | tyce | QA testing to be exact |
| 21:49.13 | Jayce^ | cool |
| 21:49.35 | mheath | you and your jobs that don't suck... =P |
| 21:49.43 | tyce | :) |
| 21:49.50 | tyce | been there, done that |
| 22:02.30 | Maquis | vontrapp: i found the problem |
| 22:02.36 | Maquis | granted, i have no idea why it's a problem |
| 22:02.50 | vontrapp | what was it? |
| 22:02.55 | Maquis | but if i have a button in the upper right corner that says "close window", then if i hit enter while in a text field, it closes the window |
| 22:03.06 | Maquis | no problem with the "close window" button in the lower right corner, though |
| 22:03.20 | lars-ut | ~emulate gir |
| 22:03.20 | ibot | you SHALL not pass! .. he went that way. |
| 22:03.52 | Maquis | they're not even "real" buttons... |
| 22:04.05 | Maquis | they're <img> tags |
| 22:04.10 | Maquis | with an onclick |
| 22:05.13 | vontrapp | hmm, that's interesting |
| 22:05.25 | vontrapp | don't know why that would do that |
| 22:05.48 | Maquis | i've decided to leave that button off... |
| 22:06.01 | Maquis | it obviously doesn't want to be there... |
| 22:06.03 | vontrapp | i would use <button>s and style them, myself |
| 22:07.34 | Maquis | amazon standards, unfortuantely |
| 22:08.32 | vontrapp | well, it works |
| 22:11.12 | vontrapp | too hard to read |
| 22:11.53 | vontrapp | Maquis: could you get away with something like this: |
| 22:12.11 | vontrapp | <img class="button"/> |
| 22:12.23 | vontrapp | function styleButtons { |
| 22:12.58 | vontrapp | aImg = document.getElementsByTagName("img"); |
| 22:13.08 | vontrapp | for (i = 0; i < aImg.length; i++) { |
| 22:14.01 | vontrapp | if (aImg[i].style.className="button") { add sources and callbacks } |
| 22:14.04 | vontrapp | } |
| 22:50.50 | *** part/#utah Newsome (~sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu) |
| 22:51.43 | Hhhhh | some dude was asking in #linux how to get MS antispyware to run in Linux and OSX |
| 22:53.56 | el_gaucho | did you tell them vmware...lol |
| 22:54.09 | neybar_work | has anyone run a yum/apt update for FC3 -> FC4 |
| 22:56.37 | synic | http://linuxhelp.homeunix.com/vimador.jpg |
| 23:01.35 | Maquis | *yelp* |
| 23:09.59 | lars-ut | ~shoot micro managers |
| 23:09.59 | ibot | pulls out a double barrelled shotgun and blasts lars-ut |
| 23:10.10 | lars-ut | lol |
| 23:10.21 | lars-ut | ~jedi micro managers |
| 23:10.21 | ibot | ACTION plays jedi mind tricks on micro managers |
| 23:10.29 | lars-ut | not strong enough |
| 23:10.31 | lars-ut | ~jedi micro managers |
| 23:10.31 | ibot | ACTION chops off micro managers's head with her lightsaber |
| 23:10.42 | lars-ut | better. |
| 23:11.15 | Hhhhh | neybar_work: I suggest you get the ISOs, I heard of problems and stuff |
| 23:12.26 | vontrapp | lol, "Consumate V's!" |
| 23:13.14 | vontrapp | "That guy wouldn't know VIm Majesty if it hit him in the face" |
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| 23:18.40 | lars-ut | "Thatched Roof Cottages!" |
| 23:19.10 | lars-ut | "Burninating all the peasants..." |
| 23:23.24 | vontrapp | "And then Vimador comes in the TERM!!!!!" |
| 23:24.24 | levi | Is PLUG really quiet, or did I get unsubscribed again? |
| 23:27.33 | lars-ut | "in the TERM!" |
| 23:28.42 | lars-ut | vontrap: Oh, that was the end, I retract my last lyric. |
| 23:28.55 | lars-ut | s/vontrap/vontrapp |
| 23:44.22 | levi | Hmm, I guess it's just been really quiet. |
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