| 01:22.51 | tensai | awesome. do you have it in front of just one phone or all the extensions in your house? |
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| 01:25.33 | tensai | I'm thinking of going the sipura ATA route when I finally get around to it |
| 01:25.43 | tensai | hans: where did you buy it? |
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| 01:56.47 | hans | voxilla.com |
| 01:56.58 | hans | right now, just one |
| 01:57.06 | hans | but when we move I'll put all behind it somehow |
| 02:07.30 | tensai | hans: the 1001 has how many fxs ports? |
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| 04:09.02 | Maquis | amcnabb: sup? |
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| 04:50.14 | levi | Good evening. |
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| 04:56.33 | Maquis | hi levi |
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| 04:58.08 | levi | How was the weekend, Maquis? |
| 05:06.09 | mheath | Hello, everyone. |
| 05:06.18 | levi | Heya. |
| 05:06.42 | mheath | 5 days until I leave now :( |
| 05:08.07 | mheath | but 2.5 days until I get paid :) |
| 05:27.07 | Maquis | levi: ok... |
| 05:27.28 | Maquis | mheath: 2.5 days is exciting... personally, i'd skip the item in 5 days |
| 05:27.48 | levi | Yay for money! |
| 05:27.53 | Maquis | yeah |
| 05:27.55 | Maquis | no kidding |
| 05:29.34 | levi | My problem is I keep spending it. |
| 05:31.01 | Maquis | i sometimes have that problem... |
| 05:31.16 | Maquis | although i have to remind myself that i'll need the majority of this money during the school year... |
| 05:31.24 | levi | I have a wife to help me out with spending it, too. |
| 05:31.36 | Maquis | we girls tend to be good at that... |
| 05:31.44 | levi | No kidding. :) |
| 05:31.55 | levi | Well, guys are too, to be honest. |
| 05:32.05 | Maquis | although, i would say i'm not too much better at it than the average guy... personally, i would rather spend money on geeky stuff than on clothes and such |
| 05:32.07 | levi | We just tend to buy different sorts of things. |
| 05:32.35 | Maquis | women tend to buy lots of less-expensive things... whereas geeks tend to buy a few more-expensive things... |
| 05:33.12 | levi | Well, my wife talked me into spending several hundred more dollars on an over-the-range microwave than I'd planned. And she's also the motivating force behind our condo redecorations, which are not exactly cheap. |
| 05:33.59 | levi | They also take a lot of time, which is why I haven't been online all weekend! |
| 05:34.22 | Maquis | haha |
| 05:34.42 | Maquis | you have a honey-do list :) |
| 05:35.04 | levi | Well, at least we work on it all together. |
| 05:35.20 | Maquis | :) |
| 05:35.21 | levi | She does a lot of it between when she gets home from work and when I do, a few hours later. |
| 05:37.29 | levi | Anyway, it looks like learning to lay tile is in my near future... |
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| 05:39.18 | levi | Gnight, Maquis |
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| 07:22.29 | xbmodder | I hate intel and apple! |
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| 07:42.56 | xbmodder | hey want to trade links? |
| 07:44.40 | xbmodder | I mean for search engine pointers |
| 07:45.17 | xbmodder | anyone home? |
| 07:59.39 | dataw0lf- | yes. |
| 07:59.57 | xbmodder | http://xbmodder.us/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=7 < what do you think of that guide? |
| 08:01.10 | dataw0lf- | xbmodder: I'm don't do reviewing. |
| 08:01.31 | xbmodder | its for treos? |
| 08:01.39 | xbmodder | well dataw0lf- do you have a website? |
| 08:02.07 | dataw0lf- | Yes. |
| 08:03.34 | dataw0lf- | why? |
| 08:05.52 | xbmodder | Because I was thinking of linking to each other |
| 08:06.01 | xbmodder | So we would be more likely to be on google |
| 08:09.32 | dataw0lf- | No. |
| 08:09.57 | dataw0lf- | 1) I don't know you |
| 08:10.03 | dataw0lf- | 2) I'm already on Google. |
| 08:10.52 | xbmodder | grr |
| 08:10.59 | xbmodder | googlebot hits me everyday |
| 08:11.05 | xbmodder | though on google I am not updated |
| 08:11.33 | dataw0lf- | Learn robots.txt and stop whining. |
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| 10:18.45 | *** topic/#utah is SLLUG tonight || The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. | goozbach's XEN presentation notes: http://www.friocorte.com/presentation/plug-XEN/ |
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| 16:18.22 | xbmodder | Googlebot64+18413.44 KB20 Jul 2005 - 17:05 |
| 16:20.55 | goozbach | corn chowder! |
| 16:21.03 | goozbach | mixed with green peas |
| 16:36.46 | mheath | on my next paycheck, this box is going from a 1ghz celeron and generic motherboard with 256MB RAM to an AMD Athlon 64 3400+, an nforce3-based motherboard, and 512MB of RAM :) |
| 16:38.25 | RyanE | mheath: what are you doing with the leftovers? :) |
| 16:39.28 | mheath | Maquis, hey, thats only like $300 worth of stuff |
| 16:39.32 | mheath | or less |
| 16:39.52 | mheath | The processor is $222 on newegg, the motherboard I'm looking at is $76, and the RAM starts at around $40.00 |
| 16:40.06 | mheath | ah, I'm not thinking. $350. Sorry. |
| 16:40.50 | mheath | Then again, your a college student with Tuition and bills, whereas I'm a 16 year old with a decent job and no required expenditures |
| 16:41.23 | mheath | RyanE, I dunno, they're not really mine to give away..... |
| 16:42.13 | mheath | RyanE, I do have some other hardware I'm trying to sell/get rid of, if your interested |
| 16:42.24 | mheath | Most of its older cruft, but theres some decent things in there |
| 16:43.13 | mrpull | mheath: still working at the computer shop? |
| 16:43.26 | mheath | Nope. That was just an internship while I was in highschool |
| 16:43.29 | mheath | It was during school hours |
| 16:44.27 | hans | why nforce? I've heard nothing but grief from nforce mobo owners (never been one myself) |
| 16:44.32 | Maquis | mheath: still... when i was your age... i didn't have anywhere near that much... |
| 16:45.02 | mheath | hans, I've heard good things. It's supposed to be a high preformance, good chipset for cheaper than others |
| 16:45.32 | mheath | Maquis, ah. Believe me, this is a BIG step up from anything I've had in the past |
| 16:46.25 | mheath | I'm trying to decide if I should get a new video card, too, though |
| 16:46.45 | hans | mheath: for linux? |
| 16:46.54 | mheath | hans, yes, it will probably run Linux |
| 16:46.58 | mheath | it will be dual boot, actually |
| 16:47.14 | mheath | I'm sticking this into a family computer |
| 16:47.18 | hans | well of course it will run, but will it be a pain? I've heard most grips about nforce onboard audio |
| 16:47.21 | mheath | and my dad will want it to dual boot into Windows |
| 16:47.54 | mheath | hans, I'm not going to use the onboard audio :) |
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| 16:56.12 | mrpull | i'm using the onboard audio from an intel chipset... it pops quietly everytime I move the mouse. |
| 16:56.36 | mrpull | i think i've got an old SB-Live in the basement.... sound isn't as important as it used to be tho. |
| 16:58.06 | mheath | RyanE, you probably didn't see what I said to you... |
| 16:58.14 | mheath | the 'leftovers' aren't mine to give away |
| 16:58.23 | RyanE | mheath: yeah, got that part. thanks. |
| 16:58.27 | mheath | However, I have some computers and components laying around |
| 16:58.31 | mheath | If anyones interested |
| 16:58.36 | RyanE | how much? |
| 16:58.39 | RyanE | for what? |
| 16:58.52 | mheath | Most of its junk |
| 16:59.03 | mheath | a bunch of old pentium I's.... |
| 16:59.06 | mheath | a dual processor PII |
| 16:59.09 | RyanE | bzzzzzzt! |
| 16:59.09 | mheath | two old athlons |
| 16:59.21 | mheath | A laserjet printer I never use.... |
| 17:00.33 | mheath | er -jet |
| 17:00.41 | mheath | laser printer |
| 17:00.57 | mheath | The only thing I'd want any money for is the printer |
| 17:04.02 | RyanE | how fast are the Athlons? |
| 17:04.12 | RyanE | and do you have mobos that match for them? |
| 17:04.28 | mheath | yeah |
| 17:04.39 | mheath | there 750mhz and 900mhz I believe |
| 17:04.44 | mheath | *they're |
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| 17:05.04 | RyanE | ooh, yeah, I'd be interested. that'd be a kick up for my aunt's desktop machine. |
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| 17:17.59 | hans | heh, microsoft wants to patent :-) |
| 17:18.03 | hans | as in, emoticons |
| 17:19.45 | gthornock | Please tell me that's an April Fools joke that got posted late... |
| 17:23.36 | goozbach | hans: the nforce chipset was only a problem pre 2.4.10 |
| 17:23.47 | goozbach | now it works like a charm |
| 17:23.48 | hans | "Anonymous Coward writes "The man notorious for sending spam to each and every Russian e-mail account was found dead in his Moscow apartment, Russian medias reported. He managed the American English Center, which teaches Russians to speak and read English. Suspects include some 25 million Russian Internet users wishing death to Kushnir."" |
| 17:24.18 | goozbach | <-- long time nforce chipset user (since the beginning) |
| 17:25.02 | goozbach | and even pre-problems most things worked fine if you used the nvidia driver |
| 17:25.13 | goozbach | the hard part was the installing of the nvidia driver |
| 17:27.39 | levi | Oooh, hans gets the logical fallacy smackdown on plug... ;) |
| 17:37.52 | hans | now it's just getting silly |
| 17:38.02 | hans | appeal to authority? what authority? |
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| 18:38.53 | drewbono_work | Does anyone have experience setting Linux up to authenticate against an active directory domain? |
| 18:39.08 | drewbono_work | I've been trying for the last couple of days to get it to work and can't seem to. |
| 18:42.25 | tensai | define "authenticate". are you talking about for user accounts? via Samba or LDAP? |
| 18:42.38 | drewbono_work | via kerberos |
| 18:42.47 | drewbono_work | Well...actually via the easiest means possible. |
| 18:43.24 | drewbono_work | I've already got a W2k3 domain set up, and I have to support mostly windows clients, so I figured I'd just keep that. |
| 18:43.42 | drewbono_work | I have to have different flavors of *nix authenticate against is as well. |
| 18:44.56 | drewbono_work | It seems like there are quite a few different options out there though. |
| 18:45.17 | drewbono_work | tensai: have you ever set something like that up? |
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| 18:55.20 | scott | anyone know of a terminal program that changes common text representations of progress bars to graphical representations or allows textured fonts (like jaderholm.com/files/font.jpg)? also, what is a good file manager that lends itself to being used from the keyboard, and has graphics (useful and limited ones)? |
| 18:55.21 | tensai | drewbono_work: I've set up Samba to authenticate against a domain. It's really not too hard. |
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| 18:59.36 | drewbono_work | tensai: Do you know the difference between doing it through Samba and doing it solely using Kerberos? |
| 19:01.25 | tensai | using Samba means that it plays a middle man. It has to talk to the PDC using Kerberos, SMB, etc. |
| 19:17.22 | drewbono_work | tensai: So once it's set up, it seems like you can't use local accounts anymore. Is that true, or is there a way to preserve logging on with both local and domain accounts. |
| 19:18.44 | tensai | you can set a precendence. we use LDAP for our login accounts but we always leave a normal account as a fallback. Both work simultaneously. Just make sure you keep all the uids/gids in order. |
| 19:20.11 | drewbono_work | Do you set that up in PAM? |
| 19:20.12 | scott | mv foo.tar ~/Programs/Source ; cd ~/Programs/Source <-- is there a shortcut for that, like something that stands for "last directory mentioned"? |
| 19:20.51 | drewbono_work | scott: 'cd -' takes you to the last directory you were in |
| 19:21.01 | scott | maybe cd ~/Programs/Source ; mv $lastdir/foo.tar . |
| 19:44.50 | Maquis | mmm quiche |
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| 19:50.28 | tensai | drewbono_work: yes, PAM handles that part of it. you set your ldap.so (or kerberos or samba) to be sufficient and unix.so to be required. |
| 19:50.51 | tensai | sufficient means it'll accept a "yes" but will continue if it gets "no". required means it has to have a "yes" to continue. |
| 19:57.42 | hans | scott: $OLDPWD |
| 19:57.51 | hans | cd - is the same as cd $OLDPWD |
| 19:58.40 | hans | although that little example would probably be better done as mv foo.tar ~/Programs/Source/ |
| 19:58.43 | hans | ;- |
| 19:58.44 | hans | ) |
| 20:05.14 | drewbono_work | so what's the advantage to doing this over ldap for you? |
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| 20:18.20 | tensai | drewbono_work: I have two separate setups. one in my office which uses Samba so that I can play nice with the other corporate lackeys. The other is for our servers which rightfully stay as far away from active directory as possible. We use OpenLDAP. |
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| 20:48.29 | tensai | ~spackle jsmith |
| 20:49.11 | jsmith | Whew... it was a dud. |
| 20:49.30 | tensai | I blew 25 cents on that? what a rip off |
| 20:49.50 | jsmith | Exactly... I'm not worth 25 cents... |
| 20:50.43 | tensai | from who? you're making fun of yourself. |
| 20:52.18 | jsmith | Yes. |
| 20:52.30 | jsmith | I've gotta do something to break the tension. |
| 20:52.59 | tensai | ok... what's the latest word on the book? |
| 20:53.17 | jsmith | Going to be typeset this week. |
| 20:53.33 | jsmith | Better images on the cover (www.oreilly.com/catalog/asterisk/) |
| 20:53.47 | jsmith | We just finished the last round of copy-editing. |
| 20:54.25 | tensai | you're listed second. what's up with that? |
| 20:54.50 | jsmith | I know, I know. |
| 20:55.01 | jsmith | They changed it on me when they put better-looking starfish on the cover. |
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| 20:56.17 | tensai | oh, yeah. that is a better starfish. you can see the old one at amazon. |
| 20:56.18 | tensai | http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0596009623.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg |
| 20:57.38 | jsmith | Yup. |
| 20:57.41 | jsmith | Been there, done that. |
| 20:57.43 | tensai | jsmith: is this you too? amazon seems to think so. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0912292733/qid=1122324994/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/104-9598824-0575114?v=glance&s=books |
| 20:58.10 | jsmith | Yeah, Amazon thinks I'm the author of all kinds of crazy books. |
| 20:58.53 | tensai | the key is, do they send you royalty checks? |
| 20:59.14 | jsmith | I don't care. |
| 20:59.23 | jsmith | I didn't write the Asterisk book to make money. |
| 20:59.33 | jsmith | I did it to give back to the Asterisk community. |
| 20:59.45 | jsmith | That's why we published it under a Creative Commons license :-) |
| 21:00.29 | tensai | sorry, that wasn't my point. I'd let them put my name on all sorts of books as long as they kept paying me. |
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| 21:01.04 | jsmith | Naw, it's all about brand identity... My name stands for quality! |
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| 21:16.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Is anyone here familiar with javascript? |
| 21:17.09 | mindjuju_ | datawolf |
| 21:17.23 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: I only know enough to be dangerous... |
| 21:17.25 | lars-ut | anybody have access to a hard drive degausser similar to this (http://www.datadev.com/ge4000.html)? |
| 21:17.37 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf-: you there? |
| 21:17.38 | jsmith | lars-ut: Not me. |
| 21:18.40 | lars-ut | drive controller went bad & I wanted to try to erase the drive before RMA'ing it - my boss doesn't want to eat the cost of the drive. |
| 21:19.12 | lars-ut | yet the drive has sensitive financial data on it - I'm feeling liable here. |
| 21:19.16 | jsmith | lars-ut: Break open another hard drive... take out the magnets... wave them around the bad hard drive... |
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| 21:19.36 | macnewbold | ~seen dataw0lf- |
| 21:19.36 | ibot | dataw0lf- is currently on #uphpu (2h 25m 31s) #utah (2h 25m 31s). Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 13h 8m 3s |
| 21:19.52 | lars-ut | jsmith: I've got some hard drive magnets - you think that will do it? |
| 21:21.04 | lars-ut | Or will I need another chicken/loan officer in addition? |
| 21:23.31 | jsmith | lars-ut: The hard drive magnets should do it. |
| 21:24.32 | hans | jsmith: does qwest do disconnect supervision? |
| 21:24.47 | hans | I'm seein g a delay of like 7 seconds from when people hang up to when asterisk gets wind of it |
| 21:24.58 | jsmith | lars-ut: FWIW, the hard drive manufacturers are as concerned as you are with old data on the hard drive |
| 21:25.08 | jsmith | hans: Yes... gimme a second and I'll tell you a neat trick |
| 21:25.20 | hans | so I did the lighted handset test that I read about online, and my phone does the blink thing... after the same seven seconds |
| 21:25.41 | jsmith | Seven seconds, eh? |
| 21:25.50 | jsmith | I've never seen it take that long. |
| 21:26.02 | hans | well it might be more like 5. I haven't timed it, but it's freaking forever. at least one extra ring on my sipura |
| 21:26.15 | jsmith | :-( |
| 21:26.16 | hans | I say seven because all our voicemail messages that are hangups have been 7 seconds long. |
| 21:26.28 | jsmith | hans: You can set that, you know... |
| 21:27.00 | hans | i know, sliencedetect |
| 21:27.11 | hans | or something like that. I could clamp down on it |
| 21:27.14 | jsmith | Or there's a minimun voicemail length... |
| 21:27.41 | hans | ah, that actually is a good idea. at least 8 seconds or something |
| 21:27.51 | hans | won't stop real voicemail from being 7 seconds too long, but hey |
| 21:28.13 | hans | so am I right, qwest is at fault? or is there some other way to detect the hangup that would be more timely? |
| 21:28.14 | jsmith | Yeah, but you can have it chop the silence off the end too :-) |
| 21:28.22 | jsmith | No, qwest is at fault. |
| 21:28.52 | hans | how do you chop off the end silence? |
| 21:29.04 | jsmith | The lighted handset test shows you when the polarity-reversal happens, and that's the most effective way on non-digital lines. |
| 21:29.10 | jsmith | hans: Silencedetect :-) |
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| 21:29.25 | hans | I'll have to fiddle with it |
| 21:29.35 | hans | fun beyond measure. :) |
| 21:29.42 | hans | I didn't realize it would trim too. |
| 21:29.49 | jsmith | Well, I'm glad you're having fun :-) |
| 21:30.04 | jsmith | hans: I've heard that it's supposed to -- but to be honest, I haven't played with it that much. |
| 21:30.33 | bonez41 | jsmith, isn't Qwest nearly ALWAYS at fault? |
| 21:30.54 | jsmith | bonez41: "We don't care. We don't have to. We're the phone company!" |
| 21:31.05 | jsmith | Anybody see that SNL? |
| 21:31.30 | hans | jsmith: is there an ice cube bat's chance that they'll address it if I call them about it? |
| 21:31.55 | bonez41 | I installed a new hdd....SATA.....can i run an application that resides on another drive in my system.....nothing says I have to have it installed on the new drive, right? |
| 21:32.08 | jsmith | hans: It's worth calling about, as long as it's a toll-free call :-) |
| 21:32.57 | hans | boot force. heh |
| 21:32.58 | jsmith | If they can't do anything about it, at least it's cost them a few dollars to say no. |
| 21:33.16 | hans | well when you put it that way... |
| 21:33.28 | jsmith | :-) |
| 21:33.45 | hans | and for my next question... when I try to set caller id information from asterisk to sipura, all I get on my phone is "asterisk" |
| 21:33.50 | jsmith | I'm sure they hate me... as I've probably cost them hundreds of dollars in call-center costs, just to tell me they don't know. |
| 21:34.02 | hans | if I leave cid alone, I get the original cid |
| 21:34.34 | jsmith | How are you setting it? |
| 21:34.39 | hans | so I wondered if I'm setting it right |
| 21:34.47 | hans | I tried the setcidname application |
| 21:35.06 | jsmith | That should be right... |
| 21:35.34 | hans | exten => foo,bar,setcidname("Hans Fugal") |
| 21:35.58 | hans | ? (instead of, say, Wireless Caller - just a nicety for my wife. Oh, but then I discovered distinctive ring. :) |
| 21:35.58 | jsmith | Yeah, that looks right to me. |
| 21:36.09 | hans | are the quotes necessary? I think I might not have had them. |
| 21:36.17 | jsmith | They might be. |
| 21:36.19 | jsmith | I don't remember. |
| 21:36.22 | jsmith | Been too long. |
| 21:36.45 | hans | I'll have to try that. what about outbound from sipura? I'm having trouble calling out with nufone |
| 21:36.59 | hans | think it might be cid or something. |
| 21:37.44 | bonez41 | anyone else ready that at voxilla about nufone's $450,000.00 bill...they got scammed... |
| 21:38.43 | jsmith | bonez41: No, but I wouldn't be surprised. I know the guys at NuFone all too well. |
| 21:39.33 | hans | do tell |
| 21:40.05 | bonez41 | the article said it was the other end of a call....a rogue terminating service in Afganistan.....they were charging the customer $0.09 per minute, while being billed $1.90 from that mideast terminator.... |
| 21:41.35 | bonez41 | here's the link: http://voxilla.com/voxstory166.html |
| 21:42.26 | bonez41 | nufone will likely get the charge for $450k cleared or reduced...but I guess they said it's easy for someone to start a VOIP operation, but expensive and risk to keep it going |
| 21:49.08 | hans | jsmith: so the book has a creative commons license? does that mean it'll be available online? |
| 21:54.33 | lars-ut | jsmith: You're probably right - the drive manufacturer won't care won't on the drive. I suspect they'll fix the controller problem, wipe the drive, & ship it out as a recertified drive for someone else's RMA. |
| 21:55.11 | lars-ut | correction: won't care _what's_ on the drive |
| 22:01.24 | jsmith | hans: Yes. |
| 22:01.38 | jsmith | lars-ut: No, they'll thoroughly wipe it. |
| 22:02.27 | lars-ut | guess that'd make them liable if they didn't. |
| 22:02.58 | hans | cool. I'd like to buy it but am about to be a poor student. will it be awhile, or at the same time it gets to stores? |
| 22:03.14 | tensai | lars-ut: they'd probably be as likely to compensate you for the failure as the phone company is to help hans |
| 22:03.45 | lars-ut | Tensai speaks the truth |
| 22:03.48 | bonez41 | hans, poor student? going for piled Higher and Deeper? |
| 22:04.04 | bonez41 | hans, will it be Dr. Hans in a year or two? |
| 22:04.14 | hans | or 4 or 6 |
| 22:04.35 | jsmith | hans: Same time it hits the stores... we may be mean and release the PDF online at Astricon (October 15h) |
| 22:04.40 | bonez41 | that's ok....better to be that in 4 to 6 years than Not....;) good investment...! |
| 22:04.55 | tensai | ooh, Astricon. that sounds like fun. |
| 22:05.01 | jsmith | tensai: It's a blast! |
| 22:05.03 | hans | where is astricon? |
| 22:05.15 | tensai | ahaheim |
| 22:05.16 | jsmith | This year, Anaheim. They had Astricon Europe in July in Spain. |
| 22:05.22 | tensai | er, anaheim I guess |
| 22:06.19 | tensai | jsmith: are you presenting? |
| 22:06.26 | tensai | I see Leif is |
| 22:06.27 | jsmith | tensai: Not sure... I did last year. |
| 22:06.28 | hans | here's another random question. anyway to get voicemail not to say the 801 in the "message from phonenumber" bit? |
| 22:06.44 | jsmith | tensai: I'll be running the "call center" track of tutorials, etc. |
| 22:06.54 | jsmith | hans: That I'm not sure. Write a patch! |
| 22:07.12 | tensai | jsmith: oh, there. the website says you're a speaker. |
| 22:07.16 | jsmith | Cool! |
| 22:07.18 | jsmith | I guess I am! |
| 22:07.27 | tensai | you're listed last though :( |
| 22:07.33 | jsmith | I've got plenty of material... |
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| 22:12.31 | tensai | jsmith: I went to a training a couple weeks ago and learned way too much about our NEC PBX. The simplicity of Asterisk is astounding. |
| 22:12.58 | jsmith | tensai: Yeah... I could tell you horror stories. |
| 22:13.11 | jsmith | tensai: Try an Avaya sometime |
| 22:13.21 | tensai | the biggest benefit of the NEC is the tight coupling of the phones and system, like being able to remotely program the soft keys |
| 22:13.23 | xbmodder | I need to learn asterisk |
| 22:13.50 | jsmith | xbmodder: Should have come to one of my many presentations :-) |
| 22:14.05 | xbmodder | I wish I could |
| 22:14.12 | jsmith | tensai: But with that tight coupling comes a lack of flexibility |
| 22:14.19 | tensai | how about this, they released a new upgrade to our ACD so that now if we want to add more licenses we have to upgrade the ACD |
| 22:14.35 | tensai | well, there's no upgrade path between versions. it's a complete rebuild. |
| 22:14.37 | jsmith | tensai: Sounds all too familiar :-) |
| 22:15.25 | tensai | jsmith: my boss jokingly suggested we just upgrade to Asterisk but figured that his boss, the owner of the company, would have a real breakdown |
| 22:15.44 | hans | jsmith: I've worked out a syntax for dialplans that I like. I might implement it and make it available |
| 22:16.00 | jsmith | hans: Cool! |
| 22:16.11 | jsmith | tensai: There's nothing that says you can't run both side-by-side. |
| 22:16.36 | jsmith | tensai: I ran Asterisk in front of an Avaya switch for a few months before I got the OK to rip the Avaya off the wall. |
| 22:20.14 | bonez41 | hans, do you describe your phone setup on your site? just curious how you have configured yours |
| 22:24.08 | hans | I haven't, but I could |
| 22:24.33 | hans | it's about to get real simple, though: my sipura 1001 box, my telephones, and a voip provider |
| 22:24.37 | hans | (when I move) |
| 22:26.45 | Maquis | is it possible for a class in java to extend 2 other classes |
| 22:26.46 | Maquis | ? |
| 22:27.17 | hans | multiple inheritance? |
| 22:27.21 | Maquis | yeah |
| 22:27.31 | hans | i don't think so, but I'm not a java guru |
| 22:27.35 | Maquis | :( |
| 22:27.42 | hans | usually what you want to do is use "interfaces" |
| 22:27.59 | hans | at least, that's what they tell you you want to do |
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| 22:32.30 | Maquis | unfortunately, i don't want to do what they think i want to do |
| 22:32.40 | hans | what do you want to do? |
| 22:37.45 | Maquis | not quite sure |
| 22:37.46 | Maquis | :) |
| 22:38.02 | xbmodder | would making /etc/mtab a symbolic links to /proc/mount work? |
| 22:38.14 | Maquis | trying to get a servlet's init method to run on startup |
| 22:38.20 | Maquis | xbmodder: don't think that's possible |
| 22:38.27 | Maquis | but that requires that it extends one class.. |
| 22:38.35 | Maquis | but because of some other things, it has to extend another class |
| 22:44.03 | tensai | jsmith: since you mention call centers, one feature we use with these NECs are roving extensions by which I mean a call center lackey^H employee can sit down at any phone and log into his queue. |
| 22:44.26 | tensai | jsmith: I've set up some simple queues but they've all been to staticly defined extensions. can asterisk do something like that? |
| 22:44.51 | tensai | Maquis: no, in Java you explicitly can not subclass two classes. that's why they created interfaces. |
| 22:45.41 | tensai | Maquis: it prevents some serious nastiness, but unfortunately causes collateral like you see |
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| 22:55.50 | levi | Multiple inheritance can be handled without significant nastiness. Just not when you do MI the C++ way. |
| 22:58.01 | tensai | levi: well, maybe but Java was pretty much bound to do it the C++ way |
| 22:59.44 | Maquis | tensai: thanks... |
| 23:02.02 | jsmith | tensai: Yes, you can. |
| 23:02.21 | jsmith | tensai: Check out the AgentCalbackLogin() application. |
| 23:03.44 | levi | Maquis: Perhaps you can use a has-a relationship instead of an is-a relationship for one of the superclasses you want. |
| 23:22.27 | tensai | jsmith: that's perfect! incidentally, our NEC has no way to log out a user who forgot. it'll just keep sending them calls, which is bad when the call center is closed. there's another cool feature that asterisk would give us. |
| 23:25.58 | xbmodder | And it costs 200 dollars an hour for a telephone duder. And asterisk guy one-time 50 bucks |
| 23:27.32 | jsmith | xbmodder: Well, you're not going to setup Asterisk for a one-time charge of $50 |
| 23:27.46 | xbmodder | I know people who have |
| 23:27.47 | jsmith | xbmodder: It's just *slightly* more complex than that. |
| 23:27.59 | xbmodder | And it worked |
| 23:28.04 | jsmith | Well, maybe for a home setup, but not for an enterprise or call-center setup. |
| 23:30.15 | xbmodder | yeah |
| 23:30.23 | xbmodder | for like a call-center prolly 1k |
| 23:30.57 | xbmodder | some dude charged us about 800 dollars for a small office |
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| 23:43.45 | mindjuju_ | I'm on a win2k3 box. i'm trying to use VNC over a particular port, but the connection always times out. (likely a firewall issue) I just need to be able to prove it. was thinking tracert might do the trick, but tracert doesn't seem to allow me to specify a specific port i want to test |
| 23:43.48 | mindjuju_ | any ideas? |
| 23:45.01 | goozbach | mindjuju_: telnet host port |
| 23:45.12 | goozbach | if you get connection refused there ya go |
| 23:45.38 | mindjuju_ | you know what goozbach, i should have thought about it |
| 23:45.42 | mindjuju_ | in my defense, it's monday |
| 23:45.48 | goozbach | forgivin |
| 23:45.50 | mindjuju_ | thnx! that sounds like perfect idea, i'm on it |
| 23:45.52 | goozbach | er forgiven |
| 23:46.02 | goozbach | just don't let it happen again :) |
| 23:46.24 | goozbach | new toy! |
| 23:46.32 | goozbach | pentax optio wp |
| 23:46.43 | goozbach | a waterproof 5MP digital camera |
| 23:47.01 | goozbach | http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_details/digital_camera--OptioWP/reqID--6442215/subsection--optio |
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| 23:56.27 | xbmodder | http://www.courtrecords.org/ < does this seem like a legit site to you guys? |
| 23:56.41 | xbmodder | goozbach, nice, where are you? |
| 23:57.19 | xbmodder | goozbach, being a guru labs guy/teacher what do you think about this guide: http://xbmodder.us/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=7&MMN_position=13:13 |
