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| 03:06.18 | mheath | argh, I still don't know what to do with my money..... |
| 03:09.31 | bigdog_ut | give it to me |
| 03:10.28 | mheath | Heh. |
| 03:10.59 | mheath | I'm thinking: Sattelite Radio for my Car, a Treo, an AMD 64bit motherboard+proc for this computer, or puting it towards saving for my powerbook |
| 03:11.14 | bigdog_ut | power book or amd 64 |
| 03:12.17 | mheath | Is an AMD 64bit 3000+ decent? |
| 03:12.38 | bigdog_ut | i guess i have yet to get one...but those are the 2 things i am saving for |
| 03:12.52 | bigdog_ut | new power book and a new pc with amd 64 |
| 03:13.41 | mheath | I'm not sure if I should bother saving for a powerbook |
| 03:13.58 | mheath | I think I could talk my dad into getting me a lowend one (or at least an ibook) as a going away present when I join the Navy |
| 03:14.14 | mheath | I want to get one then, so I have something I can lug around the country/sea with me :D |
| 03:17.28 | mheath | Anyone know anything about graphics cards? |
| 03:19.51 | bigdog_ut | mheath, what questions do you have? |
| 03:20.34 | mheath | This is probably a stupid question (keep in mind all I've used before is old Rage128s), but is a Radeon 9200SE with 128MB RAM decent? |
| 03:24.44 | bigdog_ut | yeah, but depends on what you want to do though? |
| 03:26.24 | mheath | gaming |
| 03:26.30 | mheath | I'm not a "as many FPS as possible" freak |
| 03:26.36 | mheath | I just want to game and have it not be choppy |
| 03:26.45 | bigdog_ut | that is good though...256mb is really good |
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| 03:54.58 | jsmith | lars-ut: Howdy! |
| 03:55.17 | lars-ut | Tally-ho! |
| 04:03.38 | Maquis | *sniff* |
| 04:04.56 | jsmith | Maquis: That good/bad, eh? |
| 04:05.01 | Maquis | *sniff* |
| 04:05.11 | Maquis | it was sad... |
| 04:05.48 | Maquis | jsmith: thanks... |
| 04:18.20 | mheath | Well |
| 04:18.26 | mheath | Now we know that whoever dies, its someone we like and care aboujt |
| 04:18.38 | jsmith | mheath: Exactly. |
| 04:19.26 | mheath | Which actually counters my guess/suspicion |
| 04:35.43 | bigdog_ut | did harry die? |
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| 05:08.35 | Maquis | bigdog_ut: well... there's a 7th book on the way.. |
| 05:09.16 | jsmith | Maquis: Is that so they can kill off Harry in the seventh? |
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| 05:56.19 | bonez39 | anyone? I bought a new drive....cept my system still uses all the ribbon cable and new drive uses SATA...what do I need to hook this drive up? SATA adapter card? |
| 06:10.45 | Newsome | yes, SATA card |
| 06:12.06 | bonez39 | Newsome: card's likely...less than $30, or even less? |
| 06:27.09 | Newsome | Here's one place that sells them - http://www.pcclub.com/product_list.cfm?cat=Controller%20Cards&subcat1=Serial%20ATA |
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| 06:31.08 | Hhhhh | hello |
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| 06:32.56 | Newsome | Hhhhhello |
| 06:59.37 | Hhhhh | I got Doom 3, Unreal Tournament 2004 (with Red Orchestra, Deathball and Frag.Ops), America's Army, Wolfenstein Enemy Territory, Nexuiz, Planeshift and a bunch of other nice games in my box now |
| 07:00.47 | bonez39 | hhhhh what distro? |
| 07:00.57 | bonez39 | I want to set up a linux box to run games for my kids to play |
| 07:01.47 | Hhhhh | Fedora Core 4 |
| 07:02.18 | Hhhhh | you might wanna consider buying cedega if you want it for games |
| 07:31.50 | xbmodder | Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team Breaking Records with Trek Bikes Designed on AMD64 Technology |
| 07:31.53 | xbmodder | i hart AMD |
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| 09:52.33 | luminerd | hey |
| 09:52.36 | luminerd | anyone around? |
| 09:52.56 | luminerd | Anyone who happens to be familiar with Thin Client computing would be especially helpful :P |
| 10:33.49 | luminerd | Anyone set up LTSP on a thin-client network here? |
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| 12:37.30 | xbmodder | oh wow |
| 13:40.41 | xbmodder | hello |
| 13:40.54 | xbmodder | does anyone know why my usb file system is empty? |
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| 21:12.27 | *** topic/#utah is SLLUG tonight || The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. | goozbach's XEN presentation notes: http://www.friocorte.com/presentation/plug-XEN/ |
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| 21:12.28 | mrpull | hey. i'm brave. |
| 21:12.35 | Lone_Wanderer | does anyone have a minute or ten to help me untangle a bit of a programming problem I have here? |
| 21:12.56 | levi | What sort of programming problem? |
| 21:13.08 | mrpull | i've got 50% of Project Server installed... I could help you tangle it further |
| 21:13.18 | Lone_Wanderer | it's javascript, php, and mysql. not lisp I'm afraid. |
| 21:13.42 | Lone_Wanderer | although it does use an anonymous function! not that it matters that it's anonymous, it just happens to be. |
| 21:14.34 | Lone_Wanderer | anyway, I've got... well, take a look at http://graphics.sendsations.com/contract.html, specifically the "Desired Style" and "Style Details" boxes |
| 21:15.43 | levi | Drat. I thought with your Y combinator enthusiasm from the other day.... |
| 21:15.54 | Lone_Wanderer | sadly no, this is much more practical |
| 21:16.28 | Lone_Wanderer | it's pulling the second list off of the server |
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| 21:17.04 | Lone_Wanderer | well, actually, it may be informative to take a look at http://graphics.sendsations.com/Contract.pdf |
| 21:17.10 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm taking this pdf and html-izing it |
| 21:18.08 | Lone_Wanderer | when I wrote the php that handles the pdf form, I took the styles and put them into the DB in a table that has an id, name, and parent_id |
| 21:18.21 | Lone_Wanderer | so the sub-styles are just styles with their parent ID set |
| 21:18.47 | levi | OK. |
| 21:19.05 | Lone_Wanderer | anyway, with the pdf form it works fine, but now that I've got the HTML version going, I'm using some JS tricks to make the form more... user friendly? I don't know |
| 21:19.45 | levi | You want to dynamically change the options for the second menu based on the selection in the first one? |
| 21:19.51 | Lone_Wanderer | it does that already |
| 21:20.00 | Lone_Wanderer | try it :) I just finished it |
| 21:20.01 | levi | It looked like it did. |
| 21:20.16 | Lone_Wanderer | here's the problem. switch to calendar cards. |
| 21:20.35 | levi | Magnet, and 1-12. Doesn't make much sense to me. |
| 21:20.41 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 21:20.55 | levi | What do you want it to say? |
| 21:21.02 | Lone_Wanderer | in the database, it works fine, because on the PDF form they choose the month from the dropdown |
| 21:21.35 | Lone_Wanderer | and then it gets inserted with the number for the appropriate month |
| 21:21.41 | jsmith | lars-ut: You wanna know what's cheaper than a media shredder for CDs? |
| 21:22.08 | lars-ut | what? |
| 21:23.20 | Lone_Wanderer | and the number gets used somewhere else, I forget where |
| 21:24.31 | Lone_Wanderer | so I can't just yank out the numbers and put in the names of months, *but* I also have the problem that (because they're coming from the same table) the numbers don't work real well for choosing the month you want |
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| 21:24.53 | sjansen | I need a three or four line irb example to show why irb is cool. |
| 21:25.03 | levi | sjansen: That's nice. |
| 21:25.09 | sjansen | levi: :-P |
| 21:25.18 | levi | sjansen: What's irb? |
| 21:25.43 | sjansen | An interactive ruby interface. Basically, a read-eval-print loop with readline support tacked on top of ruby. |
| 21:25.44 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Can you use the number in a javascript lookup table? |
| 21:25.45 | Lone_Wanderer | ideally what would happen is that when they select "calendar" it activates the calendar dropdown and deactivates the other dropdown (or puts "magnets" and "no magnets" into the other one) |
| 21:26.00 | Lone_Wanderer | well, here's the final problem |
| 21:26.05 | Lone_Wanderer | I want it to remain more or less dynamic |
| 21:26.06 | levi | sjansen: Oh. Well, REPLs are cool by definition. |
| 21:26.12 | levi | sjansen: Who are you trying to convince? |
| 21:26.22 | sjansen | My boss, and by extension our students. |
| 21:26.47 | Lone_Wanderer | as it is now all we do is update the DB with new styles and they automatically get added to the list |
| 21:26.52 | jsmith | lars-ut: Just take the CDs and rub them on a chain-link fence. Then pop them back in a Windows machine, and watch it crash. |
| 21:27.15 | levi | sjansen: I can't think of a line-based example, since the whole point of a REPL is that it's interactive and not a fixed script. |
| 21:27.25 | sjansen | I know. |
| 21:27.27 | lars-ut | jsmith: I like the sound of that - but then I don't get to see and hear the pretty sparks... or do I? |
| 21:27.47 | jsmith | lars-ut: You can always microwave them afterward for sparks. |
| 21:28.50 | levi | sjansen: They're great for exploratory programming, reflectively examining a running system, dynamically instrumenting a running system, remote debugging, etc. |
| 21:28.59 | sjansen | I know. |
| 21:29.10 | sjansen | But that isn't the point of the example. |
| 21:29.34 | levi | Well, as I don't know irb, I doubt I can be of much help. |
| 21:29.44 | lars-ut | jsmith: ahh, the best of both worlds. The important method that has been left out here is the 'partially broken substrate disintegration at 52X RPM method'. This of course can only be done once, and requires special care. |
| 21:29.49 | Lone_Wanderer | what about with my issue? |
| 21:30.08 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: I'm still not entirely sure what you want to happen. |
| 21:30.42 | lars-ut | jsmith: "rotational speeds in excess of 12000 RPM are not uncommon with ~50X" |
| 21:31.00 | Lone_Wanderer | okay on contract.html there's the calendar dropdown on the right and the sub-style dropdown below. the sub-style dropdown gets populated with the children of whatever parent style they select. |
| 21:31.08 | jsmith | lars-ut: Ever seen a CD explode? They'll do that at high speeds :-) |
| 21:31.46 | lars-ut | not yet - but that is exactly what I'm referring to. |
| 21:31.55 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: So, maybe you want another table that can associate an internal-use value with a display value? |
| 21:31.56 | Lone_Wanderer | which is all fine until you get to the calendar cards, which need to use the calendar dropdown instead of the sub-style dropdown |
| 21:32.28 | levi | Poor sjansen. |
| 21:32.32 | lars-ut | jsmith: I think a plexiglass demonstration is in order... |
| 21:33.23 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: So, you want to do this somehow without special-casing calendar cards? |
| 21:33.27 | Lone_Wanderer | yes |
| 21:33.29 | Lone_Wanderer | thank you |
| 21:33.51 | Lone_Wanderer | I was just typing that out but with many more words when you said that :) |
| 21:34.34 | levi | Well, you either need to rethink your data model to make it so the calendar cards case is no longer a special one, or you need to live with the special case. :) |
| 21:35.50 | Lone_Wanderer | I think if I live with the special case I'll run into another one again later... and then another one... and another one... |
| 21:36.09 | vontrapp | blasted, i try to run firefox on a remote host, X forwarded, and somehow IPC comes into the picture and decides to use the instance running locally |
| 21:36.23 | levi | So, if I understand this correctly, the 'starting month' option list only applies to calendar cards, and it really only has one 'style detail' option? |
| 21:36.25 | vontrapp | or something, that's what i'm geussing is going on |
| 21:36.30 | Lone_Wanderer | although, I'm still going to need a special case in the JS anyway... |
| 21:36.32 | Lone_Wanderer | that's correct levi |
| 21:37.53 | levi | I don't think you're going to be able to get around some sort of special-casing. |
| 21:38.26 | levi | You could define the option list to the right as an 'extra data' field, and dynamically name and display it based on whether it's necessary. |
| 21:38.27 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, that's what I was just thinking. even if I changed the data model, I'd need to special case the calendar cards. |
| 21:38.39 | Lone_Wanderer | how do you do that and what would it mean? |
| 21:39.15 | levi | You use javascript to choose whether to display it, and what text to put in the title, or something like that. |
| 21:39.23 | Lone_Wanderer | oh ok |
| 21:39.49 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah I was doing that with the sub-style field but it made people testing it go "Wait it disappeared! Panic!" when they chose a style that has no sub-styles |
| 21:40.26 | levi | So if you came up with another special case, you could reuse the same display element. Unless you came across a case that needed more than one extra piece of data. |
| 21:40.39 | levi | Well, maybe graying it out instead of hiding it entirely would be better. |
| 21:40.49 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah that's what I'm doing |
| 21:41.05 | Lone_Wanderer | well, not bothering to disable it 'cause that doesn't work on dropdowns in IE |
| 21:41.11 | Lone_Wanderer | I just put "No options available" |
| 21:41.24 | Lone_Wanderer | but I think for the calendar I'll actually hide it because it only applies to the one option |
| 21:44.01 | Lone_Wanderer | so in summary, just special case it in the JS and deal with it not being as elegant as I'd like? |
| 21:45.57 | levi | Gah, I hate C. |
| 21:46.08 | vontrapp | grr, anyone know how i can keep firefox from spawning on the local machine? |
| 21:47.07 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Yeah, that sounds like what you'll have to do. If you get more special cases, you might want to find some way to refactor, but it won't be clear how to do it until you have more. |
| 21:47.21 | levi | vontrapp: rm /usr/bin/firefox |
| 21:48.05 | vontrapp | right |
| 21:48.16 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: excellent point - refactoring right now would be like premature optimization |
| 21:52.08 | vontrapp | how would i do something like blah... | sed -e s/$/foo/ |
| 21:52.32 | vontrapp | iow, add foo to the begining of the line |
| 21:53.36 | levi | The beginning or the end? |
| 21:53.46 | vontrapp | er, s/$/^/ |
| 21:53.49 | vontrapp | beginning |
| 21:54.23 | levi | Probably with a sed line that looks something like that. I assume that one doesn't work? |
| 21:54.34 | vontrapp | nm, i got sed to work, but if there's something simpler i'm all ears |
| 21:56.12 | vontrapp | i.e. something like echo foo $_ |
| 21:57.14 | lars-ut | jsmith: video of careless Dremel CD rotational velocity experiment: http://www.powerlabs.org/movies/cdgoodexplode.MPG |
| 21:58.53 | jsmith | lars-ut: Exactly. |
| 21:59.24 | lars-ut | incredible shatter. |
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| 21:59.51 | vontrapp | too bad his drill wasn't powerfull enough, needed that extra cd to help |
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| 22:00.24 | levi | vontrapp: That $_ thing looks like one of those nasty implicit perl thingies. |
| 22:05.41 | vontrapp | what, perl? um, i don't know perl... that's from.. um... |
| 22:05.42 | vontrapp | shoot |
| 22:05.53 | vontrapp | caught red handed |
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| 22:20.03 | Fritzy | Holy carp. |
| 22:20.43 | jsmith | Is that a church for fishermen? |
| 22:21.04 | Fritzy | Well, you can't say "crap" in Utah, right? |
| 22:21.29 | graphyx | I am trying to do some automation on devices that have a console via telnet. |
| 22:21.53 | graphyx | Is a shell script the correct thing to do to have it issue a command and then wait .1 seconds and then another command? |
| 22:21.56 | jsmith | graphyx: Learn "expect" |
| 22:22.10 | xbmodder_ | goozbach: hey |
| 22:22.18 | xbmodder_ | goozbach: ya dere> |
| 22:22.18 | goozbach | zup? |
| 22:22.41 | xbmodder_ | what did you use to parse the squid log files? |
| 22:22.43 | graphyx | nifty |
| 22:22.53 | xbmodder_ | and make it so it looks nice |
| 22:22.59 | goozbach | cachemgr.cgi |
| 22:23.14 | xbmodder_ | thx |
| 22:23.55 | xbmodder_ | did you dig it? |
| 22:24.51 | xbmodder_ | oops wrong window |
| 22:37.01 | hans | http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/141330088X/ref=sib_rdr_next1_6/002-2471347-0448808?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S00F&ns=1#reader-page |
| 22:37.17 | hans | that there is copyrighted material |
| 22:37.18 | tyce | anyone know anyone that can unlock cell phones locally? |
| 22:37.33 | hans | unlock? |
| 22:37.44 | jsmith | tyce: Have to be locally? |
| 22:37.56 | tyce | preferably |
| 22:38.15 | jsmith | Sorry, don't know anyone locally. |
| 22:38.18 | tyce | if I wanted to send it out, I would just buy the kit off ebay... hoping to avoid any downtime |
| 22:38.42 | bonez39 | gaim |
| 22:38.52 | graphyx | ok expect rocks. thanks. |
| 22:39.11 | jsmith | graphyx: I told you so... |
| 22:39.59 | graphyx | I believed it. |
| 22:43.43 | xbmodder_ | http://digg.com/linux_unix/14_year_old_passing_the_RHCE? < does anyone think thats worth digging :) |
| 22:47.07 | jsmith | Nope |
| 22:47.27 | Lone_Wanderer | dynamically generate javascript, or not? |
| 22:49.06 | hans | . |
| 22:49.12 | vontrapp | .. |
| 22:49.27 | jsmith | ... |
| 22:51.08 | vontrapp | *sigh* these things never go as far as i hope |
| 22:52.28 | jsmith | I know... |
| 22:52.41 | jsmith | My bank account never goes as high as I hope either |
| 22:56.57 | vontrapp | lol |
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| 23:22.03 | hans | vontrapp: you just need patience. someone will continue |
| 23:33.15 | levi | vontrapp: You're still waiting for a better way to do your sed thing? |
| 23:34.23 | hans | anyone going to UUG tonight, von would like a usb keyboard to use for the presentation |
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| 23:43.51 | flyboy^ | Hi all. Does anyone know the specific time the Damian Conway presentation will start on the 10th? The announcment was great for promoting the event, but left out some additional details. |
| 23:44.33 | flyboy^ | Ie, exact location/directions to the event, aprox. start & end time, etc. |