| 00:07.27 | vontrapp | i'm at the crabtree uug room |
| 00:07.32 | vontrapp | how do i use the projector? |
| 00:07.50 | vontrapp | e.g. log in or switch input or whatever i need to do |
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| 01:00.06 | vontrapp | well, so this projector here does a whoppin' 1920x1440 |
| 01:01.40 | graphyx | not too bad.. |
| 01:05.43 | goozbach | interlaced? |
| 01:06.00 | vontrapp | dunno |
| 01:09.40 | goozbach | you said projector... nm |
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| 02:37.20 | hans | what happens when you have two dhcp servers on the same broadcast domain |
| 02:37.35 | hans | more specifically, what happens when your dhcp server is listening on two interfaces in the same broadcast domain? |
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| 02:45.20 | graphyx | well the server should get the request two times. |
| 02:45.26 | graphyx | since it is the same server it will issue the lease. |
| 02:45.27 | hans | ah, I want shared-network |
| 02:45.41 | graphyx | And then when it gets the same mac it should give out the same ip. |
| 02:45.47 | graphyx | since it already issued that ip. |
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| 02:45.52 | graphyx | But that is only my best guess. |
| 02:46.07 | hans | it actually fights with itself, without shared-network |
| 02:46.27 | graphyx | messy.. |
| 02:46.48 | hans | well putting two subnets on the same broadcast domain might be considered messy |
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| 03:20.40 | levi | Good evening. |
| 03:26.48 | bigdog_ut | whatz up |
| 03:29.19 | levi | Just finished the Harry Potter book. |
| 03:31.01 | bigdog_ut | wow |
| 03:31.13 | bigdog_ut | i havent even started the first one yet |
| 03:32.19 | levi | I can read one a night, probably two of the early ones if I start early enough. |
| 03:34.46 | Maquis | levi: nice... |
| 03:34.52 | Maquis | i'm on page 253 |
| 03:35.13 | levi | I started this one too late, so I was up really late and still didn't finish. |
| 03:37.23 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 03:37.39 | bigdog_ut | the problem that i have is i tend to fall asleep when i sit down and try to read |
| 03:38.03 | bigdog_ut | though im thinking of starting to read to the little kiddies from the first one at night for 20 minutes |
| 03:41.57 | levi | I fall asleep with some books, but not engaging ones with an easy-to-read style like Harry Potter. |
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| 04:44.39 | goozbach | it's everything the movie should have been |
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| 04:54.44 | Newsome | The book is everything the movie should have been? I'm glad I never went to see the movie, then. |
| 05:19.43 | Maquis | Newsome: sup? |
| 05:21.41 | Newsome | oh, just trying to convince some stupid recruiter that I'm the man for the job he posted for. |
| 05:23.51 | Newsome | all they care about is their stupid buzzwords |
| 05:31.07 | levi | Hiring sucks. Job searching sucks, too. |
| 05:32.21 | Newsome | yep |
| 05:50.26 | Maquis | Newsome: what job? |
| 05:52.27 | Newsome | With some financial or trading firm in Chicago |
| 05:52.48 | Newsome | They're migrating from Solaris to Linux, and need someone with lots of Linux experience. |
| 05:53.05 | Newsome | and who can manage a lot of servers |
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| 13:23.18 | Maquis | i was on the phone waiting for "the next available representative" for about 15 minutes, then my phone got disconnected |
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| 13:43.05 | graphyx | Hey, anyone have a way in linux to image an entire harddrive, partition table and all? |
| 13:43.22 | graphyx | I can do it partition by partition, but if I knew how to do the whole thing it would save time. |
| 13:43.57 | goozbach | dd if=/dev/hda of=/some/other/locatatoin |
| 13:44.41 | mheath | man |
| 13:44.44 | graphyx | The storage location for the image is on the network |
| 13:44.51 | graphyx | And I don't want it to be 40 gigs |
| 13:44.53 | mheath | I wnated to get a treo with my next paycheck |
| 13:45.05 | graphyx | But you have a point. a direct copy would be easiest. |
| 13:45.09 | mheath | but unless I add 2 years onto my service agrrement, it starts at $519. |
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| 15:00.36 | tensai | grrr. AOL lusers drive me nuts. If Aunt Tillie sends you a message with her new phone number, IT'S NOT SPAM! |
| 15:03.42 | tensai | and don't think I'm kidding either. I got notified this week about a "spam" that one of my users sent that was just that. |
| 15:04.08 | Jayce^ | oh yeah, we deal with that all the time |
| 15:04.47 | Jayce^ | people pay us to forward email from their domain to their aol mail... people spam their domain.. we forward... aol blacklists us since we're spammers then.. |
| 15:04.49 | mheath | hahaha |
| 15:04.57 | mheath | go to moon.google.com and try to zoom in all the way =P |
| 15:05.53 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 15:06.24 | bonez39 | anyone else here running sugarCRM? |
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| 15:07.29 | tensai | bonez39: no, but I've seen screenshots and heard it's pretty cool |
| 15:07.38 | tensai | Jayce^: yeah, that's a fun one too |
| 15:08.00 | mheath | Why are these things so expensive?! |
| 15:08.39 | tensai | I also love when people yell at us because we're delivering mail that's To other people because they don't understand how Cc or Bcc work |
| 15:08.59 | tensai | mheath: 3 words: because they can |
| 15:09.31 | mheath | Why is the difference between adding 2 years onto my contract and just getting the phone a whole $113? |
| 15:10.04 | bonez39 | tensai: well, I have it installed....version 2.5.0c and now they have a new opensource version, 3.0..dont' want to obliterate it...by installing new version... |
| 15:10.30 | Bradipo | Guess that proves that the moon is really cheese. |
| 15:10.37 | bonez39 | perhaps a better question now though is about an INVOICE printing program..I need to find something that is web driven....a web app that will print invoices.. |
| 15:11.02 | Bradipo | tensai: My favorite is when they call me and tell me they are receiving someone else's email. |
| 15:12.23 | tensai | I love that the cheese images are still (C) 2005 NASA |
| 15:12.46 | mheath | bonez39, http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=invoice§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 might help? |
| 15:13.26 | bonez39 | mheath: thanks.. |
| 15:13.44 | mheath | more people need to use freshmeat.net |
| 15:16.32 | hans | SNR too high |
| 15:16.54 | mheath | wow, 10 days until I leave for my training |
| 15:17.16 | mheath | I now have fewer days until my training than I do at my training |
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| 15:38.09 | levi | Morning. |
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| 15:40.34 | Jayce^ | morning |
| 15:40.41 | goozbach | hans: that's a good thing |
| 15:42.09 | harleypig | guten morgen |
| 15:42.27 | hans | doh. I meant low. or maybe I meant NSR |
| 15:42.39 | goozbach | I understand |
| 15:56.48 | graphyx | still fighting your wireless set up hans? |
| 15:57.21 | hans | my parents, yes. |
| 16:00.49 | graphyx | Would it be worthwhile to just invest in a $60 omnidirectional wireless antenna and be done with it? |
| 16:04.09 | hans | maybe. I'd have to go onsite and look on the roof to see what they already have, and talk to the ISP first to see if signal is likely the problem |
| 16:08.41 | Bradipo | So, they are paying the ISP to get wireless Internet but they aren't able to use it? |
| 16:08.51 | hans | oh it works fin |
| 16:08.52 | hans | e |
| 16:09.08 | hans | except they have unacceptable packet loss which is affecting VoiP |
| 16:09.19 | Bradipo | So it isn't working fine. :-) |
| 16:09.36 | hans | they'd like to ditch the expensive phone service and go VoiP, but unless they can get less packet loss it won't be feasible. |
| 16:09.41 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 16:09.57 | hans | right, not working "fine", but they are able to use it. |
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| 16:37.29 | levi | VoiP is cool and all, but I wouldn't want to use it for residential phone service. Waaaay low reliability compared to POTS. |
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| 16:48.51 | goozbach | sodas plus keyboards = not fun |
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| 16:49.11 | goozbach | sodas plus laptop keyboards = wanting to commit murder |
| 16:49.29 | Jayce^ | way to go goozbach |
| 16:49.46 | goozbach | it was my nephew |
| 16:49.49 | goozbach | damn kid |
| 16:50.17 | goozbach | threw orange soda at my mom, hit her in the head with the can, then it landed on top of my keyboard |
| 16:50.26 | goozbach | little devil child |
| 16:50.51 | Jayce^ | ~beat devil children |
| 16:50.51 | ibot | ACTION beats devil children with a large stick. |
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| 16:52.28 | Bradipo | goozbach: How about the ancient chinese orange soda drop torture? |
| 16:54.16 | goozbach | heh |
| 16:58.56 | harleypig | http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=509 WARNING: This is work safe, but be careful going to the rest of the site. |
| 16:59.21 | harleypig | If you're not into sick and twisted humour don't go |
| 17:06.02 | lars-ut | ~emulate Ms Bitters |
| 17:06.02 | ibot | There's a pigeon on your head! You've got head pigeons! Get to the nurse before they spread to the other children! |
| 17:06.03 | hans | vlan gurus? |
| 17:06.22 | lars-ut | What is your favorite color? |
| 17:06.32 | lars-ut | What is your favorite NTP server? |
| 17:06.43 | hans | say you have some boxes on one vlan and more boxes on another vlan, and you want all of them to get to some servers |
| 17:07.02 | hans | is a router the only way? that seems silly |
| 17:11.18 | Bradipo | lars-ut: I use clock.xmission.com |
| 17:11.26 | Bradipo | But I'm also an Xmission user. |
| 17:11.40 | goozbach | hans: pretty much |
| 17:11.47 | goozbach | use a router on a stick |
| 17:11.48 | lars-ut | Looks like xmission is one of the Stratum One Time Servers |
| 17:11.52 | lars-ut | brb |
| 17:11.57 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 17:12.03 | Bradipo | They have a GPS clock attached or something. |
| 17:12.48 | goozbach | http://www.gurulabs.com/goodies/routeronastick.php |
| 17:13.15 | goozbach | there is a typo, the send_redirects should all be 0 |
| 17:14.00 | Bradipo | hans: You could invest in a Layer 3 switch and then you won't need a router. |
| 17:14.13 | hans | so basically, there's no point in keeping them on the same subnet |
| 17:14.14 | Bradipo | And you can just route between the vlans via the switch itself. |
| 17:14.22 | Bradipo | Depends. |
| 17:14.30 | Bradipo | It certainly keeps the traffic segregated. |
| 17:14.34 | hans | IOW, a vlan is just a glorified way to emulate two switches |
| 17:14.44 | Bradipo | Yep. |
| 17:15.03 | hans | seems like an awful lot of trouble compared to buying another switch |
| 17:15.15 | hans | surely there must be some other motivation for inventing vlans |
| 17:15.51 | goozbach | I've seen it used for a sofisticated firewall setup |
| 17:15.59 | goozbach | isolated DMZs |
| 17:16.12 | goozbach | each DMZ is on a vlan of it's own |
| 17:16.15 | Bradipo | hans: Actually, they are quite useful. |
| 17:16.34 | goozbach | er each host is in it's own DMZ on it's own vlan |
| 17:16.36 | hans | I guess what I'm trying to get at is where is the usefulness that putting things on separate switches wouldn't accomplish? |
| 17:16.43 | Bradipo | Allows you to consolidate your architecture onto one switch rather than having a bunch of switches. |
| 17:17.15 | Bradipo | DMT or CAP? |
| 17:17.19 | TimRiker | I thought I had one, but it's a 675. |
| 17:17.22 | TimRiker | DMT. |
| 17:17.36 | hans | ok, lots of DMZ'ed boxes might be nice ify ou were |
| 17:17.42 | hans | a hosintg operaion or something |
| 17:18.22 | Maquis | does anybody here know of a good way to get a function to run every time that tomcat is re-deployed? |
| 17:18.23 | TimRiker | perhaps someone has a 678 and is headed to sllug tonight and want's to sell it or give it away? ;-) |
| 17:18.46 | Maquis | TimRiker: a 678? |
| 17:18.49 | Bradipo | The only 678 I have is in use. :-) |
| 17:18.55 | Maquis | oh... |
| 17:24.48 | lars-ut | TimRiker: you may want to try buying a 678 from a local ISP. Veracity (Off Campus Telecommunications 379-3000) in Provo probably has some. |
| 17:26.03 | TimRiker | lars-ut: yeah. that's my next option. I think xmission has actiontec's for like $60. not familiar with those though. |
| 17:26.50 | lars-ut | the grey ones are pretty good if you just leave them in bridged mode & roll your own firewall. |
| 17:27.18 | TimRiker | I'll have a block of IPs so I'll be routing. |
| 17:28.01 | hans | I have an actiontec and it works ok in bridgin |
| 17:28.09 | hans | but I have had one just go belly up |
| 17:28.16 | hans | (I'm renting, so it was just a bit of downtime) |
| 17:28.34 | hans | (but if I had bought it, I would have been steaming mad) |
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| 17:39.26 | Newsome | Seagate had some cool names |
| 17:46.44 | Maquis | should've gone to bed earlier last night... |
| 17:53.29 | TimRiker | just what I needed. 100 678's ;-) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5790460202 |
| 17:58.47 | Newsome | Wow, imagine a Beowulf cluster of...er...nevermind. |
| 17:59.10 | levi | Maquis: Sleep is for the weak! |
| 18:01.58 | Maquis | levi: yeah... whatever |
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| 18:40.57 | tensai | hans: what happens when you want to reconfigure a port? With a VLAN it's just a configuration in the switch. With two switches it requires physical access. |
| 18:43.40 | levi | Maquis: You can always make up for the lost sleep /after/ you finish the book. ;) |
| 18:43.46 | mrpull | TimRiker: I'll trade you my 675 for one of your 678's :) I'm getting tired of my actiontec modem |
| 18:44.00 | mrpull | then you'll only have 99 to worry about |
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| 18:55.44 | TimRiker | mrpull: =) yeah, but then what do I do with the 2 675's? |
| 18:58.25 | graphyx | ebay. |
| 18:58.41 | mrpull | TimRiker: they make _great_ doorstops |
| 19:00.03 | mrpull | here is my question of the day (I think I know what hans will say).... is there a simple tool to monitor website availability out there? something simpler than nagios? |
| 19:01.47 | vontrapp | wget <site> -O /dev/null && echo Site OK |
| 19:01.49 | hans | if you knew I would say mon, is that not an option? |
| 19:01.50 | TimRiker | while wget -o /dev/null http://localhost/ ; do echo "It's up" ; sleep 10 ; done |
| 19:02.11 | vontrapp | Cap O |
| 19:02.18 | TimRiker | oh yeah. ;-) |
| 19:02.53 | mrpull | mon doesn't scream out at me as a viable product :) |
| 19:03.03 | mrpull | the wget hack is a little too lean for my needs |
| 19:03.18 | mon | mrpull: I'm a VIABLE product!!! |
| 19:03.18 | mrpull | Cap O? |
| 19:03.31 | vontrapp | capital |
| 19:03.36 | hans | what's not viable about it? Does a great job for me |
| 19:04.29 | mrpull | does mon have a gui? |
| 19:04.44 | mrpull | it needs to be dead simple for non-techies to admin |
| 19:05.44 | mrpull | some reporting would be nice too... |
| 19:05.54 | mrpull | full disclosure... i'm replacing HP OVIS |
| 19:07.53 | TimRiker | mrpull: nagios rocks. It's not the tough to get going. |
| 19:08.04 | mrpull | i've maintained nagios in the past |
| 19:08.26 | mrpull | i don't necessarily need all of it's features here. |
| 19:08.52 | mrpull | it is a good product for fairly static environments |
| 19:08.58 | TimRiker | It's been a while since I tried scotty/tkined. they are cool too. |
| 19:09.08 | goozbach | wrap the wget in a dialog script |
| 19:09.20 | goozbach | and have it sit there and refresh |
| 19:09.31 | mrpull | goozbach: what if I have 50 sites? |
| 19:09.41 | TimRiker | mrpull: however nagios does what you need. and yo might need more later. ;-) |
| 19:09.43 | goozbach | a window for each |
| 19:09.54 | mrpull | TimRiker: you have a point |
| 19:09.59 | hans | mon has a cgi, can do acks and stuff |
| 19:10.31 | hans | if you mean for a non-techie to change what happens on alerts and stuff, I don't think nagios qualifies either |
| 19:11.08 | mrpull | yeah. i think this application doesn't favor nagios over mon.... other than I am familiar with nagios |
| 19:11.17 | mrpull | (but back before the new template style configs) |
| 19:11.23 | hans | and biased against mon. ;-) |
| 19:11.38 | mrpull | hans: guilty as charged |
| 19:13.31 | harleypig | HOLY CRAP!!! Devel::ebug installs a lot of modules. |
| 19:14.25 | Jayce^ | well, you're installing catalyst, ttk, etc... |
| 19:14.26 | Jayce^ | those on their own are a lot |
| 19:14.26 | harleypig | Well, yeah ... |
| 19:14.26 | harleypig | But still ... |
| 19:15.33 | harleypig | And I STILL can't get this stoopid open3 to work ... I've found an example script from perlmonks that works until I substitue my script. |
| 19:15.33 | hans | and I am biased asgainst nagios, guilty as not charged |
| 19:17.27 | mrpull | i keep coming back to using this ideal product i have in mind as a coding exercise to become more familiar with a scripting language i'm interested in |
| 19:19.17 | harleypig | That's all right. Anyone not using perl will eventually realize they are wrong and come over. |
| 19:19.35 | levi | mrpull: Oh, c'mon. Don't be afraid of a little bit of friendly scripting language war! |
| 19:19.57 | mrpull | OK.... lisp sucks ;-) |
| 19:20.05 | levi | Lisp is not a scripting language anyway. |
| 19:20.42 | levi | mrpull: Actually, I'm just curious what the scripting language you're interested in is. |
| 19:20.48 | mrpull | lets not technicalities get in the way of trashing your favorite :) |
| 19:21.05 | mrpull | it depends on the day... python or ruby |
| 19:22.33 | levi | I like python and ruby. |
| 19:22.35 | harleypig | Both are bad days though |
| 19:23.19 | levi | Perl is a bad week all to itself. |
| 19:23.59 | TimRiker | hans: ok, I'll bite. mon? where do I find more info? |
| 19:24.01 | TimRiker | ~mon |
| 19:24.01 | ibot | Highly configurable service monitoring daemon. URL: http://www.kernel.org/software/mon/ |
| 19:25.39 | harleypig | yeah, but it's the best the rest of the year! |
| 19:26.03 | Bradipo | mon is almost as old school as scotty. :-) |
| 19:27.35 | TimRiker | =) |
| 19:27.58 | Bradipo | scotty/tkined is actually pretty cool. |
| 19:28.11 | TimRiker | mon looks simple, but no blinken lights. ;-) |
| 19:28.59 | mrpull | gotta have blinkin' lights |
| 19:29.26 | levi | harleypig: I must admit that Perl is very good for code obfuscation contests, though I'm not certain whether it or C would be 'best' there. |
| 19:29.43 | harleypig | heh |
| 19:30.06 | harleypig | Assembly. |
| 19:30.07 | mrpull | I think perl beats c for obfuscation purposes... IMHO |
| 19:30.19 | mrpull | hell, I can read assembly easier than some perl code |
| 19:30.46 | harleypig | Actually, yeah ... because you can install a module that'll obfuscate your obfuscation for you (Acme::Bleach comes to mind). |
| 19:31.35 | Jayce^ | I just agree with the concept that perl is a litmus test for developers |
| 19:32.06 | levi | Jayce^: How is perl a litmus test for developers? I'm not familiar with that concept. |
| 19:32.22 | levi | The perl code they generate shows what kind of developer they are? |
| 19:32.31 | Jayce^ | exactly |
| 19:32.37 | Bradipo | levi: And if they don't develope any perl code, what kind are they? |
| 19:32.45 | Jayce^ | not developers.. |
| 19:32.46 | levi | Bradipo: Wise? |
| 19:32.50 | Bradipo | lol |
| 19:32.53 | vontrapp | heh |
| 19:32.55 | Jayce^ | since whatever background you have, you can program perl :) |
| 19:33.09 | Bradipo | Jayce^: I see your point. |
| 19:33.18 | Bradipo | The same could be said of any language then. |
| 19:33.26 | levi | Jayce^: Well, given a manual to look up syntactic weirdness, I could. |
| 19:33.33 | Bradipo | And therefore it is only the developer's laziness at issue. |
| 19:33.39 | mrpull | CleverEye Taskwatch looks pretty close to what i want |
| 19:33.42 | Jayce^ | nah, most constain to specific styles, perl allows you do go any direction |
| 19:33.52 | mrpull | $99 bucks isn't hard to find either |
| 19:34.41 | mrpull | ahhh.... the price goes up per node |
| 19:34.46 | mrpull | rats... back to HP hell |
| 19:40.58 | harleypig | I *LOVE* asking for help in IRC. The decent answers are lost in the knee jerk responses. |
| 19:41.19 | lars-ut | joy - I just lost a drive on a software production RAID 1 array. |
| 19:41.25 | Jayce^ | well if you'd stop asking stupid questions harleypig .... :) |
| 19:42.00 | harleypig | yeah, well ... :/ |
| 19:42.49 | tensai | lars-ut: I think that's called RAID .5 |
| 19:43.01 | lars-ut | lol |
| 19:43.09 | graphyx | one tenth a raid 5 setup? |
| 19:43.14 | graphyx | What good is that? |
| 19:43.23 | lars-ut | it's called I'm screwed |
| 19:43.41 | tensai | lars-ut: is it still up or has the box hung? |
| 19:43.49 | lars-ut | still up |
| 19:44.05 | lars-ut | no hot swap - I'll have to wait until tonight to bring it down |
| 19:44.17 | tensai | I'd classify that as an annoyance then |
| 19:45.11 | tensai | screwed is when 2 drives fail |
| 19:46.05 | lars-ut | the #pfsense guys were nice enough to chide me for using "sh#@ hardware" today as well - their firewall software "deserves better" - and in their minds that's why I'm having problems. Just feel like an icky day. You're right, though tensai - I'm not srewed - yet. |
| 19:47.26 | tensai | do you have spare drives? |
| 19:47.31 | lars-ut | yes |
| 19:47.50 | tensai | then you're ok in my book :) |
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| 19:48.49 | vontrapp | mmmm, horseradish |
| 19:48.56 | vontrapp | that's it, now i'm hungry |
| 19:49.04 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 19:52.46 | tensai | Jayce^: a place named Smoke House I'd think you would have the munchies |
| 19:52.47 | lars-ut | I'm still new to RAID - this is what I planned: |
| 19:52.47 | lars-ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.47 | lars-ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.47 | lars-ut | Should I do anything differently? |
| 19:53.15 | harleypig | lars-ut: Don't forget the sacrificial chicken. |
| 19:53.45 | lars-ut | I'm out of chickens - I'll find a loan officer. |
| 19:54.01 | Jayce^ | tensai, yeah, but they hav eeverything to fix those munchies :) |
| 19:54.13 | tensai | lars-ut: sounds good. I usually skip the try-to-ressurect-a-dead-drive step |
| 19:54.34 | lars-ut | faulty means faulty for real? |
| 19:54.58 | harleypig | When have you seen me get the munchies? |
| 19:55.08 | tensai | do you want to go through this again in 3 weeks? |
| 19:55.15 | lars-ut | good point. |
| 19:55.25 | harleypig | Of course he does ... proves he's earning his paycheck. |
| 19:56.20 | Maquis | http://thedailywtf.com/ |
| 19:56.20 | lars-ut | I'm looking for a new paycheck right now. I'd rather not screw over the next guy - or myself if I consult for these guys after I leave. |
| 19:59.04 | lars-ut | "I hanker for a hunk a', a slib a slice a chunka, I hanker for a hunk a' cheese." |
| 20:00.34 | Maquis | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/38518/ShowPost.aspx |
| 20:00.41 | Maquis | private const int INT_ZERO = 0; |
| 20:00.41 | Maquis | private const int INT_ONE = 1; |
| 20:00.41 | Maquis | private const int INT_TWO = 2; |
| 20:00.41 | Maquis | private const int INT_THREE = 3; |
| 20:00.41 | Maquis | '... |
| 20:00.44 | Maquis | private const int INT_TWENTY_SEVEN = 27; |
| 20:00.46 | Maquis | private const int INT_TWENTY_SEVEN = 28; |
| 20:00.57 | mrpull | no magic numbers eh? |
| 20:00.59 | Maquis | if (totalGlue > EIGHT) totalGlue = EIGHT; |
| 20:01.02 | Maquis | #define EIGHT 16 |
| 20:01.05 | mrpull | i had a drive die this morning too |
| 20:01.10 | mrpull | bleh... |
| 20:01.14 | mrpull | it is in my home computer |
| 20:01.24 | mrpull | at least RMA'ing on a drive is just a phonecall away |
| 20:02.22 | lars-ut | this _might_ still be under warranty - that'd be good. |
| 20:03.35 | tensai | ~praise hard drive warranties |
| 20:03.35 | ibot | All hail hard drive warranties! |
| 20:04.42 | Bradipo | How much email is too much? |
| 20:05.13 | tensai | Bradipo: 2 |
| 20:05.42 | Bradipo | Sorry, how many MB. |
| 20:06.10 | tensai | per day? per user? |
| 20:06.40 | Bradipo | Per user, total in mailbox. |
| 20:06.57 | Maquis | ok... i still can't get this stupid init method to run on server start |
| 20:07.09 | lars-ut | ~weather kpvu |
| 20:07.53 | tensai | 200MB or so and then it gets difficult to manage/search. unless there's a ton of attachments I guess. |
| 20:08.26 | Bradipo | Ok, let me rephrase it... How many GB of email are too much? :-) |
| 20:08.30 | graphyx | I put the entry level people at 5 Meg total 1Meg max per email. |
| 20:08.37 | tensai | my emails average about 3k, so that would be a lot of messages. on our system the average size is 35k. |
| 20:08.42 | graphyx | Unless they just want to do gmial and they can do what they like with it. |
| 20:09.05 | tensai | lemme guess, found a disk hog? |
| 20:09.12 | Bradipo | graphyx: Except we have users whose mailbox wouldn't even fit in gmail... |
| 20:09.36 | graphyx | Bradipo: sounds like you let the cow out of the barn too long ago.. |
| 20:09.42 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 20:09.48 | tensai | isn't that where document retention policies take effect? |
| 20:09.56 | Bradipo | What are policies? :-) |
| 20:11.17 | tensai | time for the BOFH hat I think |
| 20:14.18 | Maquis | lars-ut: mdadm? |
| 20:14.38 | Maquis | some sort of admin program, i'm guessing |
| 20:14.47 | Maquis | doesn't appear to have a man page on the system i'm at right onw |
| 20:14.55 | lars-ut | mdadm - manage MD devices aka Linux Software Raid. |
| 20:15.04 | Maquis | ah |
| 20:42.36 | tensai | Quiz time. Blue, Orange, Green, Brown. What's the next color? |
| 20:46.51 | bonez39 | if I run gnucash at home.....and want to run it there primarily, but want occasionally to view it...accounts and such from work. on my linux box here...how do I do that? |
| 20:47.16 | tensai | rsync? unison? |
| 20:47.35 | tensai | remote $DISPLAY |
| 20:49.01 | bonez39 | tensai: is that just changing where gnucash displays? is that what you are suggesting? I have never tried that... |
| 20:50.51 | tensai | bonez39: yes, if you can connect to your machine at home via ssh, you can tunnel X over the internet and display it at work. ssh handles all the magic. |
| 21:00.35 | bonez39 | I connect back and forth from home to work and work to home all the time.... |
| 21:01.00 | bonez39 | if I need something here at work, from home, when there..I just ssh or use winscp..and grab what I need... |
| 21:01.07 | vontrapp | ~lart lame unicode-unawares stuff |
| 21:01.15 | bonez39 | any suggestion, other than reading all the ssh lit? about this? |
| 21:02.40 | tensai | ssh -X bonez39-home-computer gnucash |
| 21:02.56 | Maquis | w00t~ |
| 21:02.57 | hans | -C helps too |
| 21:03.04 | Maquis | ~w00t |
| 21:03.04 | ibot | w00t!!! |
| 21:03.33 | hans | unless you've got zippy-cool network |
| 21:03.56 | tensai | Debian defaults to having X11 forwarding disabled on the server. need to edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and enable it. |
| 21:13.10 | bonez39 | the server if I am at work, and want to run gnucash or see it run at work from home....then home is server machine, correct? |
| 21:13.22 | tensai | yup |
| 21:17.38 | bonez39 | tensai: would your command, of ssh -X be replaced with my login for home...@ip.of.that.machine gnucash? |
| 21:18.59 | tensai | if I understand correctly, yes. ssh -XC user@machine <cmd-to-run> |
| 21:20.18 | bonez39 | I try that...after editing my /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the home machine..and it gives this: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 21:20.31 | bonez39 | must be something else I need to tweak to make it work |
| 21:21.55 | tensai | did you reload ssh on the server? /etc/init.d/ssh reload |
| 21:24.48 | bonez39 | no, I will do that... |
| 21:25.38 | bonez39 | have to reload as root, eh? |
| 21:26.04 | tensai | that's how daemons usually work |
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| 21:26.40 | bonez39 | hmmm still just can't open display |
| 21:26.52 | bonez39 | weird |
| 21:26.55 | TimRiker | what does: echo $DISPLAY say? |
| 21:27.22 | tensai | bonez39: did you relogin after reloading ssh? |
| 21:28.18 | bonez39 | relogin? I thought the ssh was logging me in to the remote machine.... |
| 21:29.00 | tensai | it is. if you're running the ssh -X ... command every time, then you should be ok. just wondered if you were trying it from an already open ssh connection |
| 21:36.26 | bonez39 | no, I closed out any ssh to home, and then issue the command... |
| 21:46.33 | Maquis | it's not like it's going to tell me *what* it doesn't like |
| 21:48.53 | vontrapp | bonez39, you could also use samba to mount your homedir at home at work and run gnucash and specify it's config dir |
| 21:48.56 | bonez39 | Maquis: that would be WAY too INTUITIVE.......can't expect that from the likes MS, right? |
| 21:49.15 | vontrapp | smbmount //homecompy/loginname homeathome |
| 21:49.25 | vontrapp | oh, wait, i guess you need vpn to do that |
| 21:49.34 | bonez39 | vontrapp: so you are suggesting it would be mounted like any other drive, just the mount would span the net..instead of just a little local cabling? |
| 21:50.06 | vontrapp | well, if you have a vpn |
| 21:50.13 | bonez39 | vontrapp: ok, to run vpn..what do I need..I'd love to have home and work all networked...connected all the time..it's all on always anyway |
| 21:50.20 | vontrapp | i mount samba over the net all the time, i forget it's cause i have vpn |
| 21:51.06 | vontrapp | hans would be better prepared to help on that |
| 21:51.39 | vontrapp | i'm willing to help in a couple days if you like, though, don't have time till then to figure it out |
| 21:52.51 | vontrapp | we could give it a go after uug tomorrow if you come to that ;) |
| 21:53.28 | Maquis | vontrapp: what are you presenting on? |
| 21:53.32 | vontrapp | AJAX |
| 21:53.44 | Maquis | i haven't seen topher send out an announcement yet... |
| 21:53.54 | bonez39 | ok.... |
| 21:53.57 | vontrapp | it's been sent |
| 21:54.01 | Maquis | ok... |
| 21:54.25 | vontrapp | i got it yesterday... |
| 21:54.35 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 21:54.39 | Maquis | i didn't... |
| 21:54.47 | Maquis | i checked my email last night... |
| 21:55.10 | hans | amazon must not like ajax, they're blocking it. |
| 21:55.25 | Maquis | hans: uug goes to my gmail account |
| 21:55.34 | hans | conspiracy |
| 21:56.13 | Maquis | yeah.. i'm more likely to believe that... |
| 21:56.15 | Maquis | i'll blame topher |
| 21:58.36 | Maquis | http://www.quirksmode.org/js/popup.html <-- this page says that what i'm doing is compatible in all the browsers i want to do it with... |
| 21:58.59 | Maquis | however, when i try it, IE won't run it, and instead pops up a "this page contains errors" box... |
| 21:59.06 | Maquis | why??????? |
| 22:00.41 | levi | Maquis: IE hates you. |
| 22:01.21 | Maquis | levi: well, the feeling's mutual |
| 22:01.48 | levi | Maquis: The difference is, it doesn't care. |
| 22:06.51 | fungus | http://zer0.org/daemons/netbsd-feyrer/takeittux.jpg |
| 22:10.38 | tyce | hahahahahahahahhaa |
| 22:10.45 | tyce | thats hilarious |
| 22:11.35 | mheath | bah |
| 22:11.44 | mheath | Gnu > Daemon :) |
| 22:13.18 | bonez39 | how hard would it be for Amazon or others to block AJAX? |
| 22:13.57 | hans | about as hard as blocking neck kinks |
| 22:14.51 | bonez39 | blocking neck kinks....hmmmm . I know only about unblocking necks....and corresponding kinks... |
| 22:14.53 | bonez39 | ;) |
| 22:18.26 | mheath | http://gnuart.onshore.com/images/uncle_gnu/gsam_want_gnu_big.jpg |
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