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| 00:23.27 | levi | I should head home now. |
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| 00:53.21 | lars-ut | Is it ok to bring food/drink to the PLUG meeting? |
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| 01:25.56 | goozbach | hey everybody get here to PLUG!!! |
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| 01:27.06 | Jayce^ | ouch |
| 01:27.11 | Jayce^ | irc in person |
| 01:28.12 | Jayce^ | he must be running to plug :) |
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| 02:36.08 | fozz | He seems to be taking it pretty well. |
| 02:36.43 | Maquis | oh well... at least it's not insanely hot here |
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| 02:54.22 | Maquis | ~lart spr |
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| 04:45.50 | levi | Hello, evening people. |
| 04:51.31 | Maquis | ~lart levi |
| 04:51.43 | levi | ~lart Maquis |
| 04:51.56 | levi | C'mon ibot, that's the same one twice in a row! |
| 04:52.15 | levi | Maquis: How long until you head back to Utah? |
| 04:53.02 | Maquis | levi: end of august |
| 04:53.24 | Maquis | probably get there around the 24th or 25th... |
| 04:53.29 | levi | You looking forward to it, or dreading it, or somewhere in between? |
| 04:53.50 | Maquis | looking forward to it for the most part... not looking forward to the heat, though.. |
| 04:53.58 | Maquis | for summer weather, i think washington has it right... |
| 04:54.48 | Maquis | today was in the low 70s, and it was quite nice |
| 04:56.23 | levi | Yeah, riding uphill on my bike in the heat today wiped me out. |
| 04:56.45 | levi | I dunno how I'm going to handle mountain biking tomorrow. |
| 04:59.39 | levi | I shouldn't have subscribed to plug. Now I'm going to spend far too much time typing up responses to people. |
| 05:00.03 | Maquis | uh oh... |
| 05:00.29 | levi | Hi, fozz. |
| 05:00.38 | Maquis | warning... i'm not the only one that's gotten annoyed at the signal:noise ration recently |
| 05:00.39 | fozz | Hi. |
| 05:00.47 | Maquis | fozz: sup? |
| 05:00.52 | levi | Since most people there are likely to disagree with me, that could be a lot of work! |
| 05:01.04 | fozz | Oh. Just sittin in the bathtub- recompiling pilot-link. :) |
| 05:01.09 | levi | But I'm right, of course, so I must defend the truth. ;) |
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| 05:05.51 | spr | ~lart provo power |
| 05:08.04 | Maquis | ~lart spr |
| 05:08.47 | spr | ~lart provo power for killing a hard drive |
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| 06:00.42 | dataw0lf- | HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME, WOOHOO! |
| 06:00.53 | levi | Happy birthday! |
| 06:01.21 | JoshH | getting wasted? |
| 06:01.23 | dataw0lf- | thanks levi |
| 06:01.41 | dataw0lf- | JoshH: got work in the morning, my friends threw me a surprise birthday party last weekend anyways. |
| 06:01.53 | JoshH | cool, happy birthday |
| 06:02.15 | dataw0lf- | thanks bro |
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| 06:39.17 | goozbach | fozz: yup that was the one |
| 06:39.24 | goozbach | compromised |
| 06:42.24 | fozz | k. |
| 06:43.02 | fozz | goozbach: Great presentation, man. |
| 06:43.28 | goozbach | now to do forensics and find the hole and plug it |
| 06:43.56 | fozz | If you think it might be a weak password compromised by SSH, check out denyhosts.py |
| 06:44.12 | goozbach | I think it was |
| 06:44.30 | goozbach | because I setup a stupid default password, and never changed it |
| 06:44.31 | fozz | I run denyhosts.py every 20 minutes on just about every Linux box exposed to the public Net. |
| 06:44.46 | goozbach | may just have to do that |
| 06:44.49 | fozz | It creates hosts.deny entries. |
| 06:45.03 | goozbach | I've been looking at all my other vm's and my host |
| 06:45.08 | goozbach | they all look fine |
| 06:45.11 | fozz | good thinkin. |
| 06:45.15 | goozbach | tripwire++ |
| 06:45.31 | goozbach | tripwire & remote storage of the database +++ |
| 06:45.38 | fozz | :) |
| 06:46.28 | fozz | Alrght. g'night. |
| 06:49.47 | xbmodder | hello |
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| 06:56.39 | xbmodder | what |
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| 14:24.56 | Newsome | ~lart Utah Power |
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| 15:01.51 | *** topic/#utah by tensai -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. | goozbach's XEN presentation notes: http://www.friocorte.com/presentation/plug-XEN/ |
| 15:05.59 | Jayce^ | poor poor tensai, missing out on the meeting |
| 15:07.46 | RyanE | me too. Maybe I'll have to check out the slides |
| 15:15.39 | RyanE | not much to the slides. |
| 15:15.42 | RyanE | oh well. |
| 15:24.17 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.11 | Jayce^ | w00000000000t! |
| 15:42.25 | Jayce^ | just confirmed, we have Damian Conway giving a presentation next month! |
| 15:48.24 | vontrapp | cool |
| 15:50.04 | Jayce^ | beyond cool! |
| 15:51.34 | hans | who's he? |
| 15:52.32 | tensai | hans: remember Dorf? |
| 15:53.02 | hans | no |
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| 15:55.13 | tensai | http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000690OI.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg |
| 15:56.24 | Jayce^ | Damian is one of the main perl guys |
| 15:56.31 | Jayce^ | an amazing presenter, and evil genius |
| 15:56.53 | Jayce^ | same guy who wrote useful things, like the ability to program Perl in klingon |
| 15:57.04 | Jayce^ | in fact, that's one of the presentation he's offering |
| 15:57.46 | Jayce^ | hrm, ok, maybe I can get you guys to give your input on which presentation we want |
| 15:58.19 | Jayce^ | I'd be happy to talk for a couple of hours on any one of the following topics: |
| 15:58.19 | Jayce^ | * Extreme Perl: The Horror That Is SelfGOL |
| 15:58.19 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.19 | Jayce^ | * Life, The Universe, and Everything |
| 15:58.19 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.19 | Jayce^ | * Perl 6 Update |
| 15:58.20 | neybar_work | the evil that is SelfGol |
| 15:58.21 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.23 | Jayce^ | * Lingua::Romana::Perligata: Perl for the XXI-imum century |
| 15:58.25 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.27 | Jayce^ | * Quantum::Superpositions |
| 15:58.29 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.31 | Jayce^ | * Sufficiently Advanced Technologies |
| 15:58.33 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.35 | Jayce^ | linkflood coming.. |
| 15:58.46 | Jayce^ | yeah, the selfgol one will hurt people's brains with extreme obfuscation tricks |
| 15:58.49 | Jayce^ | I love it.. |
| 15:58.52 | neybar_work | what do you mean coming? you already did it. |
| 15:59.03 | Jayce^ | yeah yeah |
| 16:01.54 | Jayce^ | tensai, you gotta drive down for this one |
| 16:07.17 | tensai | Jayce^: August meeting? |
| 16:07.53 | graphyx | Teaching people how to abfuscate perl.. isn't that like twisting the knife, and then pouring on the salt and lemon juice while being hung by your toe nails? |
| 16:09.04 | neybar_work | yeah... ain't it great? |
| 16:10.20 | Jayce^ | tensai, first week in august |
| 16:10.44 | Jayce^ | graphyx, you have no idea... when I saw him present it the first time at oscon, he had LARRY ask him WTF he was doing... |
| 16:11.00 | Jayce^ | the whole point was to exploit the deepest secrets.. |
| 16:11.07 | Jayce^ | it's scary |
| 16:11.32 | Jayce^ | I'm leaning towards a Perl6 one, since that's the most new ground/useful thing for people to learn |
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| 16:13.44 | levi | An obfuscation thing might be interesting from someone you can have come by anytime, but if you have a special presenter, you might as well get something useful out of 'im. |
| 16:15.10 | graphyx | Hey anyone know of a good way to dupe a Sata drive to an identical drive? grub and all? |
| 16:15.15 | graphyx | is dd the best way of doing that? |
| 16:15.58 | mheath | graphyx: yep |
| 16:16.16 | graphyx | any idea how long that would take for a 40 gig sata drive? |
| 16:16.20 | mheath | dd validates integrity, and assures everything copise correctly |
| 16:16.31 | mheath | graphyx: I've never worked with sata, so I can't comment |
| 16:16.36 | graphyx | ok. |
| 16:16.37 | graphyx | Thanks. |
| 16:16.44 | mheath | graphyx: if I can make a suggestion, though |
| 16:17.03 | mheath | That big of a transfer, do it from a liveCD or from single user mode |
| 16:17.32 | mheath | It will go A LOT faster without other minor things trying to access your HDD at the same time |
| 16:17.52 | graphyx | doing it from knoppix livecd. |
| 16:21.56 | Supaplex | I assume you don't even need hdparam with sata, becuase I'd expect dma and 32bit to be standard. |
| 16:24.27 | tensai | graphyx: run a short test. dd will report how fast it went and you can extrapolate from there. |
| 16:25.17 | graphyx | ok |
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| 16:27.59 | levi | Ultimate keyboard for remappers: http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/ |
| 16:29.33 | Newsome | ~lart Utah Power |
| 16:30.34 | tensai | Newsome: I'm noticing a pattern here... Newsome disappears, Newsome reappears, Newsome larts Utah Power. |
| 16:30.35 | graphyx | levi: for those instant dvorak to qwerty changeovers.. right? |
| 16:30.59 | Newsome | no power for 6 straight hours last night |
| 16:31.02 | levi | graphyx: Or for learning new game controls, or whatever. |
| 16:31.06 | graphyx | would one suggest Newsome pick himself up a UPS? |
| 16:31.11 | graphyx | or a back up generator? |
| 16:31.17 | graphyx | 6 hours is a lot... |
| 16:31.20 | graphyx | turkeys.. |
| 16:31.20 | Newsome | generator might work better |
| 16:31.32 | Newsome | the street was very dark last night |
| 16:31.51 | Newsome | and without any fans running, it was 85 inside the house at 2am |
| 16:32.14 | levi | Ow. |
| 16:33.43 | graphyx | oh nice.. |
| 16:33.53 | graphyx | take a cold shower... |
| 16:34.04 | graphyx | that would be about the only thing you could have done.. |
| 16:34.46 | Newsome | The worst part (of course) being that the DSL router lost power, and I only had a couple hours of laptop life before that went dead too. |
| 16:35.43 | graphyx | Oh the inhumanity! |
| 16:38.28 | levi | It's not really for sale, it's a design concept. |
| 16:38.49 | levi | I'm sure it'd be rather expensive. |
| 16:45.32 | Maquis | @#$%^&^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:45.50 | levi | Maquis: Let your hatred flow! |
| 16:46.51 | Maquis | honestly... i walk into work... and i've messed up tons of things since then |
| 16:46.51 | vontrapp | tex question |
| 16:47.01 | Maquis | wow... a plane just went by on the train |
| 16:47.08 | Maquis | (wings removed) |
| 16:47.28 | vontrapp | i would hope so, wouldn't want the train fying off the track |
| 16:47.44 | Maquis | things that worked fine yesterday are broken today |
| 16:47.46 | Maquis | go figure |
| 16:47.51 | vontrapp | say i have three blocks, and two columns |
| 16:48.27 | graphyx | Do the plug mailings make anyone else's thunderbird go nuts on the attachments? |
| 16:48.36 | vontrapp | and i want tex to layout such that the two smaller blocks are on one column and the largest block on it's own column, whatever order they might be entered in, is this possible? |
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| 16:49.44 | vontrapp | this could be implemented with a "put next block on currently shortest column" algorithm |
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| 17:09.49 | sjansen | vontrapp: yo |
| 17:09.53 | goozbach | vontrapp: ask again |
| 17:10.02 | goozbach | stuart may help |
| 17:10.55 | goozbach | ... if he feels like it |
| 17:12.27 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you get that email? |
| 17:12.36 | Jayce^ | also goozbach you see the announcement I made? |
| 17:12.45 | vontrapp | say i have three blocks, and two columns |
| 17:12.54 | vontrapp | and i want tex to layout such that the two smaller blocks are on one column and the largest block on it's own column, whatever order they might be entered in, is this possible? |
| 17:13.06 | vontrapp | this could be implemented with a "put next block on currently shortest column" algorithm |
| 17:14.36 | sjansen | yikes, you're diving in with both feet |
| 17:14.44 | goozbach | Jayce^: just got it |
| 17:15.13 | goozbach | Jayce^: and yup |
| 17:18.50 | vontrapp | sjansen: yeah, getting real wet ;) |
| 17:20.00 | sjansen | It is possible in Tex. I think it's possible in ConTeXt (meaning easier than doing it the Plain TeX way.). Wouldn't even want to think about it in LaTeX. |
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| 17:20.58 | sjansen | You'd put the three blocks in scratch boxes. Get the dimensions of each. Then do the layout. |
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| 17:25.39 | vontrapp | and how would one go about doing the layout? |
| 17:26.13 | vontrapp | i guess i would probably define an environment and put layout rules in there or something (/me hasn't gotten to layouts yet, no clue) |
| 17:26.36 | sjansen | What are you using? |
| 17:27.13 | vontrapp | latex now, but i could switch |
| 17:27.20 | Jayce^ | any UVLUG folks around? |
| 17:27.40 | sjansen | I might be able to throw together a ConTeXt example later today. |
| 17:27.40 | levi | What do you mean by UVLUG folks? I'm on the mail lists. |
| 17:27.51 | sjansen | At the moment, I'm poking at XSLT. |
| 17:28.06 | vontrapp | wow that would be great, no rush ;) |
| 17:28.24 | sjansen | Remind me around three-ish. |
| 17:28.32 | vontrapp | ok |
| 17:28.41 | levi | sjansen: Still marvelling at the joys of functional transformations? ;) |
| 17:28.50 | sjansen | decidedly not |
| 17:29.11 | sjansen | cursing the anemic expressivness of XSLT |
| 17:29.36 | levi | You made some comment yesterday about being amazed at the conciceness of something you did in XSLT. |
| 17:29.47 | sjansen | Yeah, but it didn't work in all cases. |
| 17:30.40 | sjansen | At the moment, I'm pondering the myster of the disappearing nodeset. |
| 17:31.18 | goozbach | it was old man smitthers |
| 17:31.50 | goozbach | "and I would have gotten away with it too... if it weren't for you meddling kids" |
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| 17:33.58 | Jayce^ | missed you last night TimRiker |
| 17:35.04 | goozbach | http://www.pvponline.com/archive/2005/pvp20050714.gif |
| 17:35.13 | goozbach | and people mock us Jayce^ ... |
| 17:35.28 | Jayce^ | no kidding |
| 17:36.08 | sjansen | you're all freaks |
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| 17:36.47 | sjansen | it's just generally safer to mock a star wars fan than it is to mock a sports fan |
| 17:38.48 | TimRiker | Jayce^: nod. I'm exausted after packing up the house in TX. went to bed early. |
| 17:39.58 | sjansen | Curse you Max Powers! |
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| 18:18.38 | scott | are there any popular programs that allow one to input quotes other information and tag them? (kind of like del.icio.us, but for any content not just web pages) |
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| 18:48.11 | harleypig | Anybody used IPC::Open2 or IPC::Open3 (perl) with success? |
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| 19:12.24 | levi | I want to smack the guy who decided to switch to Groupwise upside the head. Stupid thing is crashing all the time. |
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| 20:06.47 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.02 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.12 | levi | Hmm. Sounds worthy of looking at, from that description. |
| 20:08.34 | levi | joshc: BTW, did you look at that paper I pointed out? |
| 20:09.07 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.24 | levi | History, Mystery, and Ballast |
| 20:09.34 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.38 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.01 | levi | It's a nice overview of a number of things. |
| 20:10.22 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.31 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.36 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.01 | levi | Alan Kay is one of my heroes. |
| 20:11.05 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.38 | neybar_work | bleh |
| 20:11.41 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.53 | levi | Well, using Java is not an evil in and of itself. You can implement data structures in Java just fine. |
| 20:12.12 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.20 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.07 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.10 | levi | Well, I'd prefer if you could assume knowledge of memory management before a data structures class so you could spend more time on data structures. |
| 20:19.05 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.48 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:21.53 | levi | D really does look like a cool language. |
| 20:21.58 | mrpull_ | what fun is a data structures class without the pain of memory leaks? |
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| 20:46.56 | vontrapp | now is he an ex-programmer because it ruined his career or because he put all the roundings in his bank account? |
| 20:49.58 | Jayce^ | ex programmer because he did dumb things like that |
| 20:50.26 | tensai | Newsome: that email is amazing. or, SCO is amazing to have continued despite their own expert's advice. |
| 20:51.20 | Maquis | tensai: what email? |
| 20:51.50 | Newsome | Maquis: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050714144923365 |
| 20:51.51 | tensai | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050714144923365 |
| 20:51.54 | Newsome | yes, very amazing |
| 20:52.23 | tensai | Newsome: what did you have to do to acquire that document? |
| 20:52.53 | Newsome | I went to the courthouse in Salt Lake, asked for part of the case file, and made a copy |
| 20:54.23 | tensai | sounds simple enough. how do you know what to ask for? |
| 20:54.26 | Newsome | 80 miles of driving, $1 for the parking meter, and $0.25 per page...seeing proof that SCO knew they had no evidence _3_ years ago...PRICELESS |
| 20:54.27 | Newsome | ! |
| 20:54.54 | Newsome | Well, the case number is 2-03-cv-294 (DAK) |
| 20:55.12 | Newsome | and IBM had just recently filed some unsealed documents |
| 20:55.29 | Newsome | so I paged through everything until I came across something I didn't have yet |
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| 20:55.42 | Maquis | Newsome: nice |
| 20:55.45 | Maquis | Peregrine: !!! |
| 20:55.48 | Maquis | ~lart Peregrine |
| 20:56.17 | Newsome | Docket #459, exhibit 22 was the email! |
| 20:57.05 | Peregrine | Hi Maquis, been awhile I know, and I'm just on right now demonstrating IRC to my class. |
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| 20:58.07 | Peregrine | Who runs ibot? (Student question) |
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| 20:58.22 | TimRiker | ~owner |
| 20:58.23 | ibot | TimRiker is my owner |
| 20:58.36 | Peregrine | cool thanks |
| 20:58.54 | sjansen | vontrapp: I've been thinking about it. Pretty sure I can do it for 3 boxes, but I'm not sure yet how to achieve a generic solution. |
| 20:58.56 | Maquis | Peregrine: cool! |
| 20:59.04 | Maquis | and to Peregrine's class: hi! |
| 20:59.20 | Peregrine | Hey Tim, would you mind "programming" a new ibot response for us? |
| 21:00.18 | Peregrine | :) thanks |
| 21:00.23 | TimRiker | =) |
| 21:00.43 | Peregrine | Later all, I need get back to teaching... :) |
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| 21:00.53 | sjansen | ~fish Peregrine |
| 21:00.53 | ibot | ACTION slaps Peregrine around with a large trout |
| 21:00.59 | TimRiker | heh |
| 21:01.10 | Jayce^ | ~paint sjansen |
| 21:01.10 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on sjansen |
| 21:01.18 | sjansen | ~toast Jayce^ |
| 21:01.24 | sjansen | ~cook Jayce^ |
| 21:01.24 | ibot | ACTION throws Jayce^ in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks Jayce^ on 350 for an hour |
| 21:02.23 | sjansen | ibot, toast $who is <action> stakes $who out in the desert sun to dry |
| 21:02.23 | ibot | sjansen: okay |
| 21:02.27 | sjansen | ~toast Jayce^ |
| 21:02.27 | ibot | ACTION stakes sjansen out in the desert sun to dry |
| 21:02.38 | Jayce^ | ~flame sjansen |
| 21:02.38 | ibot | Jayce^ sux0rz d00d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@!!!!!!!11 |
| 21:02.40 | Maquis | Newsome: that is so inherently cool |
| 21:02.52 | lars-ut | I'm looking for a local dealer to build 6 desktop boxes for loan officers. Suggestions? |
| 21:02.57 | sjansen | no botsnack for you, ibot |
| 21:03.07 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, pcdiscounters |
| 21:03.26 | lars-ut | rep name? |
| 21:03.43 | Jayce^ | matt is the owner |
| 21:03.47 | lars-ut | lol |
| 21:03.53 | Jayce^ | they are about 400 N and state in Orem |
| 21:04.18 | lars-ut | do you buy from them for your business? |
| 21:04.31 | Jayce^ | myself, my company is a Dell shop though |
| 21:04.43 | sjansen | ~lart Dell |
| 21:05.23 | lars-ut | Dell just tried to tell me that a P4 2.8GHz w/533MHz bus was faster than an Athlon 64 3200 winchester core |
| 21:05.49 | lars-ut | that poor rep wasn't expecting me to tell him he was _lying_ to me |
| 21:06.15 | lars-ut | THen again, he probably didn't know or care |
| 21:06.33 | sjansen | Poor? I hope you nailed him to a wall and handed him his spleen. |
| 21:06.44 | lars-ut | lol |
| 21:07.02 | sjansen | He was lying if he didn't know and made up and answer, and that's no way to treat a potential customer. |
| 21:07.14 | lars-ut | I was pretty hard on him |
| 21:07.50 | lars-ut | s/loed/lied |
| 21:08.12 | lars-ut | Jayce - I'll check put pcdiscounters. Thanks. |
| 21:09.05 | sjansen | lars-ut-away: tell 'em Plug sent you |
| 21:09.31 | sjansen | They were kinda enough to donate a machine some time ago. |
| 21:09.39 | lars-ut-away | will do |
| 21:11.58 | Hhhhh | ok, I need some help here |
| 21:12.07 | levi | Hrm. I wonder if I could get the gcc frontend for d to work with my gcc cross-compiler. |
| 21:12.14 | Hhhhh | ok, question: I have an old no-nam monitor plugged to a GeForce FX 5200, but I can only get up to 800x600 resolution. It looks like this monitor doesn't have EDID to help X autodetect the horizontal sync and the vertical refresh, so it tries a bunch of values and the best it can give me it's 800x600, but I know that this monitor can go up to 1024x768 in Windows. How do I figure out the horizontal sync and the vertical refresh (for xorg.con |
| 21:12.14 | Hhhhh | f)? |
| 21:13.54 | levi | If it's a multisync monitor, you can crank the values up until it stops working. |
| 21:13.59 | levi | If it's not, that could destroy it. |
| 21:14.11 | Hhhhh | multisync, what's that? |
| 21:14.58 | sjansen | It's a tool to help you sync your PDA. ;-) |
| 21:15.28 | levi | I'm not sure the entirety of it, but what I mean is that it'll complain when it gets an out-of-range frequency and go blank rather than trying to use it and frying components. |
| 21:15.32 | Hhhhh | thanks sjansen. So, what's multisync? |
| 21:18.40 | vontrapp | what levi just said |
| 21:19.32 | vontrapp | sjansen: i was thinking a bit more, too, and if you sort biggest to smallest and then insert with said algorithm that should give acceptable results |
| 21:19.53 | vontrapp | it wouldn't always be the MOST even layout, but close enough |
| 21:23.23 | levi | Man, D really fixes most of my gripes with C and C++. I'm going to have to play with it some more. |
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| 21:38.32 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 21:38.49 | Hhhhh | massive, huh? |
| 21:39.04 | graphyx | yeah.. |
| 21:39.12 | graphyx | netsplits stink. |
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| 22:12.42 | hans | anyone know of a program to identify what kind of ram (and max size limits) a mobo takes (windows) |
| 22:12.55 | hans | or at least a way to identify the motherboard so I can look it up online. |
| 22:27.10 | mheath | hans: motherboards don't have any way to identify them through software |
| 22:27.20 | mheath | or rather, usually don't |
| 22:27.39 | mheath | Look for model number on the board? |
| 22:29.51 | mrpull_ | hans... you may have luck with the ram selector at crucial.com |
| 22:30.58 | mrpull_ | the "Crucial Memory Advisor Tool! |
| 22:30.59 | mrpull_ | " |
| 22:31.06 | mrpull_ | I put the ! on for fun |
| 22:31.14 | mrpull_ | seems like it belongs there |
| 22:32.14 | Hhhhh | hans: hmm, I dunno, you can always write a little program that allocates memory infinitely with some printfs and see what's the last entry before it crashes |
| 22:32.57 | mrpull_ | hans: what is the make/model of the computer? is there more than one? |
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| 22:42.39 | neybar_work | hans: try http://www.crucial.com/systemscanner/ |
| 22:45.14 | sjansen | Wow. |
| 22:45.23 | sjansen | Anybody looked at groklaw recently. |
| 22:45.24 | sjansen | Wow. |
| 22:45.33 | sjansen | ~groklaw |
| 22:45.33 | ibot | groklaw is, like, the best place to learn about the SCO lawsuits |
| 22:45.51 | sjansen | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050714144923365 |
| 22:45.54 | vontrapp | sjansen: did you get what i said about sorting? |
| 22:46.38 | sjansen | I did. Not sure how to incrementally build the buffers then lay them out, though. |
| 22:46.53 | sjansen | Know it can be done, but haven't had the time to think about it more. |
| 22:50.28 | Newsome | :) |
| 22:50.42 | sjansen | Newsome: Amazing find. |
| 22:54.51 | neybar_work | yeah, great job there. It doesn't surprise me, but I am amazed. |
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| 23:51.06 | Hhhhh | what is it? |
