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| 00:38.25 | bonez41 | anyone use rsync to backup across the 'net? trying to set up a script to back up files from work to home...can't get one item in the script to work correctly |
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| 01:54.22 | graphyx | Anyone awake? |
| 01:59.28 | tensai | only by a little |
| 02:00.22 | graphyx | that mean you asleep at your terminal? |
| 02:06.19 | tensai | just about. it's been a long day and I'm ready for bed |
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| 02:07.48 | graphyx | What time zone are you in? |
| 02:10.02 | tensai | -0600 |
| 02:10.23 | graphyx | central then. |
| 02:10.29 | graphyx | or am I off? |
| 02:10.38 | tensai | MDT |
| 02:11.47 | graphyx | What do you do for work tensai? |
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| 02:14.40 | levi | Good evening. |
| 02:14.52 | graphyx | hello |
| 02:15.16 | levi | How's it going? |
| 02:15.24 | graphyx | doing well and yourself? |
| 02:15.51 | levi | Pretty good. Had a nice bike ride today, and now it's time for some Lisp hacking. |
| 02:16.01 | graphyx | Where did you ride? |
| 02:16.09 | graphyx | I took the kids swimming at the rec center at orem. |
| 02:16.12 | levi | The Jordan River Parkway |
| 02:16.19 | graphyx | And now back to work for some penetration testing. |
| 02:16.20 | levi | It was pretty much abandoned. |
| 02:16.24 | graphyx | nice. |
| 02:16.37 | tensai | graphyx: system administrator for an isp |
| 02:16.46 | levi | Not surprising, considering how FREAKING HOT it is outside. |
| 02:17.23 | graphyx | Great. tensai: |
| 02:17.28 | graphyx | Yeah it is bit hot. |
| 02:17.42 | graphyx | but coming back from the pool was nice. still kinda wet . |
| 02:21.54 | levi | It's even hotter when you're exercising. :) |
| 02:22.16 | graphyx | not when you exercise in water.. |
| 02:42.27 | hans | if I did the math right and this guy isn't full of it (http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/computers.html) then it's about $90/year (incl. monitor))) |
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| 02:44.37 | brailsmt | is hans around? |
| 02:45.48 | graphyx | Should get an exercise bike around and put a generator on it to contribute to the power going into the computer... so you can save money and get in shape... |
| 02:46.46 | hans | so it seems |
| 02:46.52 | vontrapp | ~lart hans |
| 02:47.05 | hans | yikes |
| 02:47.10 | vontrapp | is it pretty hot in here or can i ask a question without it getting lost? |
| 02:47.23 | vontrapp | that's a good lart |
| 02:48.02 | vontrapp | oh, speaking of freakin hot outside, my ac has been b0rked for a week now |
| 02:48.06 | vontrapp | i think i'll die |
| 02:48.09 | hans | haha |
| 02:48.36 | hans | the gas company is what needs a good larting. they convinced us to do this budget plan thing, and gave us an estimate that we were foolish enough to believe |
| 02:49.14 | hans | so because we were carefree enough not to look closely every month, we've been paying $60/mo when we should have been paying more like $100/mo, and now we have to pay the difference :( |
| 02:49.19 | vontrapp | so dernhelm has this little button that switches the internal wifi on and off |
| 02:49.33 | vontrapp | ?? |
| 02:49.53 | vontrapp | what the flip kind of budget is that? |
| 02:49.59 | Maquis | how hot is it over there? |
| 02:50.14 | vontrapp | budgets are supposed to help you stay on track, not hide your overances |
| 02:50.32 | vontrapp | Maquis: too hot |
| 02:50.35 | hans | yeah, our feelings exactly. but what can you say, it's not like you wouldn't have paid that anyway |
| 02:50.45 | hans | but it really put a bind on us, since we've already spent that $660 |
| 02:51.01 | Maquis | vontrapp: i heard that part... |
| 02:51.13 | vontrapp | right now, 30C |
| 02:51.20 | vontrapp | and the suns already down |
| 02:51.29 | hans | 35C |
| 02:51.36 | hans | 37C was the high |
| 02:51.42 | vontrapp | (86F if you must know) |
| 02:51.58 | vontrapp | that's ghastly hot |
| 02:52.29 | vontrapp | anyway, so the switch button turns the actual card on and off, no software switching going on |
| 02:52.53 | vontrapp | is there possibly any way to grok whether the wifi is on or off? |
| 02:53.15 | hans | measure carcinogens |
| 02:53.41 | vontrapp | oh, sure, just let me get a second wireless card to see if there's any 'radiation' |
| 02:54.07 | vontrapp | that's the most pointless thing i've headr |
| 02:55.04 | vontrapp | must be the heat |
| 02:55.30 | hans | I'm surprised you misspelled header. must be the heat. |
| 02:55.40 | vontrapp | um, ydah |
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| 03:26.59 | hans | any way to know what your employer pays in taxes (fica, etc.) for you? |
| 03:27.10 | hans | i.e. is it related to how much you pay in taxes |
| 03:27.59 | levi | I think it's equal to what you pay. |
| 03:28.19 | levi | I.e., you pay half, the employer pays the other half. |
| 03:28.49 | hans | is that just fica or also federal and state w/h? |
| 03:29.15 | levi | I think that's just fica. |
| 03:29.51 | levi | Maquis: The plug thread? |
| 03:30.30 | hans | and when you're self-employed, you pay the full fica then. |
| 03:30.45 | levi | Yeah. That sucks. |
| 03:30.51 | Maquis | levi: yup |
| 03:39.16 | goozbach | who writes a codec in VB6???! |
| 03:40.43 | levi | Someone who only knows VB6? |
| 03:41.01 | goozbach | NM I mis-read the front end is in VB6 |
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| 04:13.04 | goozbach | (teaching how to use scopes.com) |
| 04:15.48 | hans | scopes.com? |
| 04:16.04 | hans | your family buys medical instruments? |
| 04:16.16 | dataw0lf- | heh |
| 04:16.32 | dataw0lf- | I'm guessing snopes.com, sno? |
| 04:16.36 | dataw0lf- | s/sno/no |
| 04:18.14 | goozbach | snopes.com |
| 04:18.18 | goozbach | my bad |
| 04:18.33 | dataw0lf- | snopes is the best. |
| 04:18.33 | goozbach | me cant tipe |
| 04:18.55 | goozbach | I'm just getting excited because this is gonna have some fallout. |
| 04:19.11 | goozbach | I'm replying to ~ 300 email addresses |
| 04:19.26 | goozbach | chances are high that I'll offend at least one |
| 04:19.42 | goozbach | of course the fallout will end up on my website |
| 04:20.01 | goozbach | to be preserved for future generations, and the roaches |
| 04:20.43 | hans | what was the rumor? |
| 04:21.26 | goozbach | pepsi can pledge |
| 04:21.48 | goozbach | after getting 7 copies from forward happy family within ten minutes I broke down |
| 04:22.19 | goozbach | collected all the email addresses from all the copies and cc'ed each of them |
| 04:23.40 | goozbach | should I do a flash demo of visiting snopes.com? |
| 04:23.48 | goozbach | screen cap I mean? |
| 04:24.03 | goozbach | or would that be too demeaning? |
| 04:24.11 | goozbach | or not demeaning enough? |
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| 04:27.15 | hans | oh that wuold be keen |
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| 04:28.30 | goozbach | maybe I'll do that for my blog |
| 04:28.36 | goozbach | just not in the mail |
| 04:45.09 | goozbach | http://www.friocorte.com/interesting/snopes |
| 04:45.13 | goozbach | too harsh? |
| 04:48.43 | spr | No. I think it gets the point across. Of course I hate those emails with a passion. |
| 04:48.58 | spr | I say a 1 meg jpg attachment :) |
| 04:49.31 | spr | It'll at least teach the dial-up people a lesson |
| 04:51.59 | goozbach | spr: I still think I'll do the degrading flash screen capture of me checking snopes after recieving an email like that |
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| 05:12.34 | dataw0lf- | I think it's an excellent email. |
| 05:13.00 | mheath | XChat keeps freezing on this box..... |
| 05:13.02 | mheath | All the Windows bugs of XChat are extremely buggy |
| 05:15.13 | dataw0lf- | that's why zed dropped it. |
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| 05:56.54 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 05:57.39 | goozbach | glass-eye? |
| 05:57.52 | goozbach | irssi just core-dumpped on me |
| 05:57.58 | goozbach | no idea why |
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| 12:33.52 | graphyx | morning. |
| 12:36.16 | Ryan1 | morning |
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| 13:45.56 | drewbono | morning |
| 13:46.08 | RyanE | morning |
| 13:46.16 | drewbono | has anyone here ever worked with a sunfire v100 box? |
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| 14:16.04 | hans | ~ping plug.org |
| 14:16.04 | ibot | pong plug.org |
| 14:16.23 | hans | liar |
| 14:20.03 | hans | ~seen Jayce^ |
| 14:20.03 | ibot | jayce^ <~Jayce_@pollux.northsky.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 35d 18h 37m 37s ago, saying: 'not sure what's up then, should work fine'. |
| 14:20.14 | hans | lying, again. I'm really disappointed in you ibot. |
| 14:20.41 | graphyx | so did you program it with too much AI then hans? |
| 14:21.02 | hans | that was TimRiker's job |
| 14:21.04 | RyanE | "I'm sorry, Hans, I can't do that..." |
| 14:21.36 | graphyx | I think the quote goes.. I'm sorry hans, I can't let you do that... |
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| 14:35.12 | hans | ~lart sjansen |
| 14:35.29 | sjansen | http://www.advogato.org/person/Burgundavia/diary.html?start=17 |
| 14:35.53 | sjansen | That has _so_ got to be fake. |
| 14:39.35 | sjansen | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/xserver-xorg |
| 14:39.49 | sjansen | Great news for Debian users. Three year from now they'll be able to use X.org! |
| 14:48.20 | sjansen | http://rlove.org/log/2005071301 |
| 14:48.26 | sjansen | And there was much rejoicing. |
| 14:49.29 | vontrapp | what's inotify? |
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| 14:59.28 | sjansen | inotify is a more reasonable implementation of dnotify |
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| 14:59.59 | sjansen | dnotify allows a program to monitor a directory and find out when its contents change |
| 15:00.17 | sjansen | inotify is both more granular, more efficient, and easier to interface with |
| 15:01.12 | vontrapp | can you monitor a file for change? or just a dir? |
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| 15:04.01 | sjansen | inotify can do files |
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| 15:16.37 | hans | sjansen: sorry to disappoint you, I've got the demudi (http://agnula.demudi.org) in my sources.list and now have x.org |
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| 15:46.44 | mheath | Come see me at Applebee's instead. :) |
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| 15:52.07 | vontrapp | free food? |
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| 15:57.52 | mheath | vontrapp: haha, if I take longer than 16 minutes getting your food out to you, and let me managers yell at me endlessly, then you'd get free food :D |
| 15:59.55 | sjansen | So my boss went to that ATM July 4th to withdraw some fun money. |
| 16:00.15 | sjansen | The bank debitted him twice. The reason? |
| 16:00.30 | sjansen | Sixty seconds after his transaction, the ATM blue screened. |
| 16:00.30 | vontrapp | for fun |
| 16:00.32 | vontrapp | haha |
| 16:01.14 | sjansen | The quintessential example of why good transaction support should be considered: financial transactions. |
| 16:01.35 | sjansen | But then what do you expect from people would decided to build an ATM on top of Windows? |
| 16:14.01 | Newsome | when in doubt, double-charge! |
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| 16:21.49 | sjansen | javert42: Nice try, but to obviously. No rational person would ever claim that emacs is better than vi _and_ mysql is better than postgresql in the same message. |
| 16:25.18 | javert42 | sjansen: This is true. I'm still trying to decide what my motive was for making that post. |
| 16:27.51 | Jayce^ | so sjansen, how many guru's coming down tonight? |
| 16:27.59 | goozbach | I will be |
| 16:28.00 | Maquis | ~lart javert42 |
| 16:28.10 | goozbach | oh yeah I'm giving the presentation... |
| 16:28.28 | *** topic/#utah by Jayce^ -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. | PLUG and NUPM meetings TONIGHT | Come give goozbach crap during his XEN presentation |
| 16:29.10 | sjansen | Jayce^: At least 3. |
| 16:29.31 | sjansen | Lamont and I are car pooling. |
| 16:29.36 | Jayce^ | cool |
| 16:30.02 | sjansen | And we'll be bringing some swagtastic stuff. |
| 16:30.08 | Maquis | sjansen: i want swag! |
| 16:30.17 | sjansen | Maquis: Come to the meeting. |
| 16:31.01 | javert42 | Jayce^: Any news on the date of the BBQ/Taco Party? |
| 16:31.04 | Maquis | sjansen: can't |
| 16:31.14 | sjansen | Maquis: slacker |
| 16:31.25 | javert42 | can't == doesn't have enough desire to act |
| 16:31.51 | sjansen | It's not like Plug doesn't hold meetings the same time every month. |
| 16:32.02 | javert42 | Amazon has a few private jets just waiting for interns to use on a whim. |
| 16:33.15 | Jayce^ | javert42, will discuss tonight |
| 16:33.23 | Jayce^ | need somebody to get a location... |
| 16:34.11 | sjansen | I could schedule a park up here in North Salt Lake or Bountiful. |
| 16:34.19 | Jayce^ | you do that, and enjoy |
| 16:34.39 | javert42 | Or we could get Kiwanis. |
| 16:35.38 | Jayce^ | that orem Center park was nice, somebody just needs to step up and do it.. |
| 16:35.55 | Jayce^ | I did it the last time, but I've been out of town for a bit, and didn't do it this time |
| 16:35.55 | hans | I say jayce's back yard |
| 16:35.58 | Jayce^ | still catching up |
| 16:36.01 | Jayce^ | hehe... ok:) |
| 16:36.11 | hans | shooting practice after |
| 16:36.34 | javert42 | :) Sounds like a plan. |
| 16:36.59 | Jayce^ | so, if you want to give input on the food/location, you'd better come tonight :) |
| 16:37.52 | javert42 | Sorry... I'm busy tonight. I rather enjoyed last months though. |
| 16:38.19 | sjansen | javert42: slacker |
| 16:39.18 | javert42 | It's true. I'll try and get a good speaker from Novell as penance for an August UUG meeting. |
| 16:40.13 | javert42 | [waiting for Maquis to tell me that she won't be here for it.] |
| 16:49.04 | spr | o/~ Let's drink! drink! this town is so great ~/o |
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| 16:53.57 | Maquis | javert42: tis ok... looks like we'll be having a good speaker from amazon sometime in the next year... |
| 16:55.16 | graphyx | Who else is in the computer security field? |
| 16:55.20 | javert42 | Wahoo! That's great! (As long as it's not like the one the ACM got. "Here's a sales pitch for our Mechant Program's API. Anybody want to apply for a job?") |
| 16:55.36 | dataw0lf | graphyx: contracting. |
| 16:55.50 | graphyx | who for? |
| 16:56.35 | dataw0lf | various companies. I have a short term contract with Canonical that has been renewed several times, for example. |
| 16:56.41 | Maquis | javert42: nope... we haven't figured out who/what, but they want to send someone that would be interesting to the club... |
| 16:56.50 | graphyx | Nice. dataw0lf: when did you graduate? |
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| 16:56.53 | dataw0lf | plus the tedium of being an IT manager. |
| 16:57.05 | dataw0lf | I didn't graduate. I went to Purdue for almost a year, then dropped out to join the military. |
| 16:57.12 | graphyx | Ok. |
| 16:57.39 | dataw0lf | most of my jobs have come through social networking. |
| 16:57.46 | dataw0lf | not through a degree. |
| 16:58.01 | graphyx | Just as long as they didn't come through social engineering.. ;) |
| 16:58.39 | dataw0lf | heh. |
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| 17:16.42 | lars-ut | ~emulate Ms Bitters |
| 17:16.42 | ibot | The lesson here is that dreams inevitably lead to hideous implosions. That's why the skool has instituted this test. |
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| 17:30.19 | sjansen | ~see Newsome |
| 17:30.23 | sjansen | ~seen Newsome |
| 17:30.23 | ibot | newsome <~sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 36d 20h 9m 13s ago, saying: 'Like I said, it merely showed that Scheme is better than C++. That doesn't particularly speak to the merits of Scheme.'. |
| 17:30.46 | sjansen | TimRiker: ibot's seems forgetful lately |
| 17:31.15 | sjansen | Newsome was actually seen earlier today. |
| 17:31.31 | Jayce^ | he left 2 lines before you asked it |
| 17:32.02 | sjansen | And he said something no later than last afternoon. Think he said something this morning. |
| 17:32.05 | sjansen | ~seen Jayce^ |
| 17:32.05 | ibot | jayce^ is currently on #utah (2h 35m 35s). Has said a total of 11 messages. Is idling for 34s |
| 17:32.40 | sjansen | TimRiker: As long as the person is online, ibot is correct about the seen info. |
| 17:34.24 | Jayce^ | TimRiker, you in town now? |
| 17:42.13 | goozbach | TimRiker: TimRiker ! |
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| 17:42.29 | goozbach | I just wanted to jump on the talk to TimRiker bandwagon |
| 17:42.38 | Jayce^ | ~slap goozbach |
| 17:42.38 | ibot | ACTION slaps goozbach, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 17:42.49 | sjansen | ~fish Jayce^ |
| 17:42.49 | ibot | ACTION slaps Jayce^ around with a large trout |
| 17:43.02 | Jayce^ | ~beat sjansen |
| 17:43.02 | ibot | ACTION beats sjansen with a large stick. |
| 17:43.02 | vontrapp | ~paint sjansen |
| 17:43.03 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on sjansen |
| 17:43.41 | goozbach | ~paint Jayce^ |
| 17:43.41 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on Jayce^ |
| 17:55.35 | levi | Gah, I hate C. |
| 17:56.38 | hans | it could be worse, levi |
| 17:56.53 | levi | Maybe if I had to use asm. |
| 17:57.02 | hans | or cobol |
| 17:57.20 | sjansen | asm and C are fun |
| 17:57.39 | sjansen | I'm pretty sure cobol is a violation of multiple international treaties. |
| 17:57.39 | levi | sjansen: Not when you have to write real programs with them. |
| 17:58.06 | graphyx | violation... nice. |
| 17:58.39 | sjansen | levi: Depends on the "real" program. |
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| 17:58.53 | levi | I'm freaking sick of writing linked lists. I want some generic collection classes. |
| 17:59.00 | sjansen | I can think of several "real" programs I'd rather write in C than Java or Perl/Python/Ruby. |
| 17:59.08 | graphyx | Just write a language translater that takes cobol code and displays it like c++ and then write it back down to cobol for updating old cobol programs and you could make yourself a very rich man. |
| 17:59.18 | sjansen | C++??? Heathen!!! |
| 17:59.24 | graphyx | anyone use asterisk? |
| 17:59.33 | graphyx | You married yet Stuart? |
| 17:59.44 | levi | C++ would be very nice right now. |
| 17:59.58 | hans | asterisk here |
| 18:00.05 | levi | sjansen: What would you rather write in C than Java/Perl/Python/Ruby? |
| 18:00.21 | graphyx | We are just getting an asterisk system put in by veracity. |
| 18:00.43 | graphyx | They have installed the AMP front end, but I think the AMP is too limiting for the true capabilities.. |
| 18:01.00 | hans | amp? |
| 18:01.20 | graphyx | Asterisk management portal |
| 18:01.28 | graphyx | quite a bit different than winamp. |
| 18:02.56 | sjansen | levi: An operating system. An image editor. A Web server. |
| 18:03.10 | sjansen | Basically, anything dealing with binary data. |
| 18:03.27 | graphyx | I think I would have to agree on that. |
| 18:03.39 | graphyx | I did the computer security class in perl. Some of that bit twiddling was quite a hassle. |
| 18:04.42 | sjansen | Ick. |
| 18:04.52 | graphyx | It was an attempt to get into perl. |
| 18:04.55 | graphyx | I didn't do so bad. |
| 18:05.00 | graphyx | So I have a handle on perl now. |
| 18:05.02 | graphyx | It worked. |
| 18:14.41 | lars-ut | ~jedi neybar_work |
| 18:14.42 | ibot | ACTION chops off neybar_work's head with her lightsaber |
| 18:17.37 | lars-ut | s''$/=\2048;while(<>){G=29;R=142;if((@a=unqT="C*",_)[20]&48){D=89;_=unqb24,qT,@ b=map{ord qB8,unqb8,qT,_^$a[--D]}@INC;s/...$/1$&/;Q=unqV,qb25,_;H=73;O=$b[4]<<9 |256|$b[3];Q=Q>>8^(P=(E=255)&(Q>>12^Q>>4^Q/8^Q))<<17,O=O>>8^(E&(F=(S=O>>14&7^O) ^S*8^S<<6))<<9,_=(map{U=_%16orE^=R^=110&(S=(unqT,"\xb\ntd\xbz\x14d")[_/16%8]);E ^=(72,@z=(64,72,G^=12*(U-2?0:S&17)),H^=_%64?12:0,@z)[_%8]}(16..271))[_]^((D>>=8 )+=P+(~F&E))for@a[128..$#a]}print+qT,@a}';s/[D-HO-U_]/\$$&/g;s/q/pack |
| 18:18.04 | hans | ~lart lars-ut |
| 18:18.32 | graphyx | I was thinking something along the lines of a buffer overflow on him.. |
| 18:18.38 | lars-ut | :) |
| 18:34.03 | hans | is there a secret incantation for nvidia on x.org? |
| 18:41.51 | spr | not that I know of. If there is, I'm missing out. |
| 18:42.09 | hans | well it ain't working for me |
| 18:42.11 | hans | nv works fine |
| 18:42.21 | spr | but nvidia's a no go? |
| 18:42.23 | spr | bummer |
| 18:42.24 | hans | I'll try running the nvidia installer again |
| 18:45.18 | Jayce^ | been using nvidia on x.org for a while |
| 18:46.53 | hans | that did the trick |
| 18:47.13 | hans | so, now I have x.org. what's cool about it? |
| 18:48.15 | sjansen | http://www.lyricsfreak.com/j/juanes/75999.html |
| 18:50.41 | Jayce^ | just skip everything else man |
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| 18:51.59 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 18:53.56 | sjansen | o/~ Mala gente, porque tu eres una mentirosa y una mala gente |
| 18:53.56 | sjansen | ¡y en el infierno enterita enterita te vas a quemar! ~/o |
| 18:58.32 | Maquis | question for people... |
| 18:59.05 | Maquis | i need to use the <html:form> tag... but i want to do a body onLoad javascript... is that even possible? |
| 19:00.54 | sjansen | Maquis: yes |
| 19:01.08 | Maquis | sjansen: was that a yes to my question, or my comment about brainwashing? |
| 19:01.13 | Hhhhh | sjansen: lol |
| 19:01.17 | sjansen | In fact, I don't like using the <html onload=".."> because it limits you to only one onload. |
| 19:01.33 | Hhhhh | tu seras mala gente |
| 19:01.38 | javert42 | If brainwashing involves getting free stuff from Amazon, sign me up! |
| 19:01.43 | sjansen | Google a bit and you'll find code that lets you register multiple onloads. |
| 19:01.58 | Maquis | sjansen: with html:form? |
| 19:02.04 | sjansen | No. |
| 19:02.08 | Maquis | that's the problem |
| 19:02.12 | sjansen | As raw javascript in the <head> |
| 19:02.42 | Maquis | can you do <head> above the html:form item/ |
| 19:02.43 | Maquis | ? |
| 19:03.26 | Maquis | google isn't being very helpful |
| 19:03.44 | sjansen | o/~ Y si tú me pagas con eso |
| 19:03.44 | sjansen | Yo ya no te doy más de esto amor ~/o |
| 19:03.57 | Maquis | it's ignoring symbols, so when i try to search for "<html:form" it returns anything with "html form" |
| 19:04.41 | Maquis | Hhhhh: seras? future tense? |
| 19:04.44 | sjansen | http://www.lyricsfreak.com/j/juanes/75996.html |
| 19:04.50 | Maquis | sjansen: you showed that to me |
| 19:04.56 | Hhhhh | hehe |
| 19:04.59 | TimRiker | it does seem that ibot has some "seen" issues. patches welcome. I've not had time to track them down. |
| 19:05.03 | Hhhhh | it's a figure of speech |
| 19:05.27 | Hhhhh | you're right, it's future indicative tense |
| 19:05.54 | TimRiker | I am in UT today. Spent mon and tues packing in TX. All our stuff is on its way here. close on our new home in south jordan tomorrow assuming all keeps going well. |
| 19:06.21 | sjansen | Hhhhh: Hablas espanol? Que malo. Melhor falar portuguese. E' lindo. |
| 19:06.42 | javert42 | Es una porqueria |
| 19:06.50 | Hhhhh | eu falo um poquinho |
| 19:07.26 | sjansen | Que bom. Quer dizer que ainda ha' esperanca por ti. ;-) |
| 19:07.35 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 19:07.42 | Hhhhh | sua mae |
| 19:07.45 | Hhhhh | haha! |
| 19:08.08 | sjansen | javert42: Voce que e' a porcaria! |
| 19:08.11 | RyanE | nao posso assistir hoje a noite por que um amigo chegou do Brasil. |
| 19:08.36 | sjansen | RyanE: De cual parte? Me trouxe algo? |
| 19:08.45 | RyanE | Curitiba, claro. |
| 19:09.18 | sjansen | http://www.windley.com/archives/2005/07/giving_out_cows.shtml |
| 19:09.33 | RyanE | chegou com malas vazio pra comprar em Park City |
| 19:09.41 | Jayce^ | sjansen, acabe de ler aquele post |
| 19:10.20 | Jayce^ | RyanE, trage-o contigo hoje a noite |
| 19:10.33 | sjansen | Jayce^: Tambem acabo de le-lo. ;-) |
| 19:10.37 | RyanE | vamos pra Temple Square. Ele nao e' tao geek que nos. |
| 19:11.17 | Jayce^ | TimRiker, well, now you have something to do tonight :) |
| 19:12.11 | sjansen | TimRiker: Seria legal conhecer-te em pessoa. ;-) |
| 19:12.32 | Jayce^ | TimRiker, just think, there will be folks there who haven't signed your key yet! :) |
| 19:13.02 | RyanE | TimRiker tambem fala portugues? incrivel! |
| 19:13.32 | sjansen | RyanE: Creo que nao. Por isso o smiley -> ;-) |
| 19:13.36 | RyanE | aha |
| 19:13.38 | RyanE | duh |
| 19:13.43 | sjansen | heh |
| 19:14.22 | sjansen | Mas desespera nao. Ainda vamos tomar controlle total deste canal! |
| 19:14.32 | RyanE | hehe |
| 19:14.40 | Jayce^ | #utah-pt |
| 19:14.52 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 19:15.26 | Hhhhh | #utah-es |
| 19:15.30 | Hhhhh | #utah-es! |
| 19:15.43 | Jayce^ | que feia.. |
| 19:16.11 | Jayce^ | eles falam como se-tivessem os dedos na boca... |
| 19:16.12 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 19:16.35 | javert42 | Dame, dame, dame todo el poder! |
| 19:16.37 | sjansen | Arrependem vos, cada um de vos, e aprendais portugues! |
| 19:16.43 | RyanE | ai' vem o bota grande. KIIIICK! |
| 19:17.05 | sjansen | Arrepende vos, cada um de vos, e aprendai portugues! |
| 19:17.11 | Hhhhh | javert42: huh? where did you learn that? |
| 19:17.28 | javert42 | From my Costa Rican companion that liked Molotov |
| 19:17.51 | Hhhhh | oh, lol |
| 19:20.11 | sjansen | o/~ el dÃa en que tu nacistes cariño... ése dÃa nacieron todas mis penas.. ~/o |
| 19:20.43 | *** join/#utah flyboy^ (~flyboy@ded1005.west-datacenter.net) |
| 19:21.23 | sjansen | Any XSLT magicians around? |
| 19:21.26 | hans | ok, x.org has uglified my fonts |
| 19:21.56 | *** join/#utah tdr32 (~tdr32@cyanide.cs.byu.edu) |
| 19:22.29 | graphyx | Hey anyone want a job? |
| 19:23.00 | graphyx | entry level tech support for a emerging security company. Pretty good place to work. Looking for full time techs. |
| 19:23.26 | graphyx | msg me if you are interested or know someone who might be. |
| 19:23.29 | graphyx | Located in Orem, UT. |
| 19:26.11 | Jayce^ | graphyx, come to plug tonight and mention that, as well as post to the list |
| 19:26.29 | graphyx | when you say come to plug what do you mean? |
| 19:26.50 | Jayce^ | Plug meeting tonight |
| 19:27.09 | Jayce^ | details on www.plug.org |
| 19:27.13 | graphyx | k |
| 19:27.47 | graphyx | I am not a member of PLUG, but I would like that job posted on the site. Who should I talk to? |
| 19:27.51 | graphyx | Hans you running plug at this point? |
| 19:28.28 | graphyx | jayce^ would you happen to be incharge of plug at this point? |
| 19:28.36 | javert42 | Are the Fugals banned from winning Guru swag? |
| 19:28.40 | Jayce^ | 'at this point'.... mwahahaha |
| 19:28.42 | graphyx | Yeah. |
| 19:28.46 | Jayce^ | total dictatorship |
| 19:28.50 | graphyx | I see. |
| 19:29.02 | Jayce^ | just join plug to post, or I can forward it along |
| 19:29.03 | graphyx | and stuart is the web master.. should have known.. |
| 19:29.08 | graphyx | Ok. |
| 19:29.27 | hans | i'm the power behind the throne though |
| 19:29.38 | Jayce^ | hrm, banning the fugals might be a good idea, but then not mention it until they show up |
| 19:29.56 | hans | i only show up one in 4 times anyway, so there's no point in banning me when I do show up |
| 19:30.08 | graphyx | umm... I don't see a register link. Is it just the mailing list that you are suggesting that I join? |
| 19:30.17 | Uncle_Jesse | ~spell mispelled |
| 19:30.30 | Uncle_Jesse | misspelled doesn't look right |
| 19:30.30 | javert42 | lol |
| 19:30.47 | Jayce^ | just the mailing list |
| 19:30.52 | Jayce^ | that's the "joining" of plug |
| 19:31.22 | graphyx | k |
| 19:31.23 | Uncle_Jesse | you have to attend at least one meeting at least once in your life too |
| 19:31.48 | Jayce^ | I can only think of one person truly banned, but yet Uncle_Jesse still hangs out in here... :) |
| 19:31.50 | levi | I can handle the uvlug traffic. I think I'd get annoyed and unsubscribe from plug shortly after subscribing, judging by the conversation here. |
| 19:32.05 | Uncle_Jesse | Then you can move to VA ;-) |
| 19:32.21 | levi | I used to live in Charlottesville. |
| 19:32.34 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: that's what I hear |
| 19:32.39 | levi | Graduated from high school there, in fact. |
| 19:32.46 | Jayce^ | levi, but you just missed (well kinda still going) the thread on starting a lisp group |
| 19:32.52 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: you would be a great member of PLUG then |
| 19:33.03 | levi | Jayce^: Hmm. Maybe I should read the archives on that. |
| 19:33.15 | Jayce^ | now it's turned into a bash bryan sant for bashing on Paul Graham thread :) |
| 19:33.30 | Jayce^ | basically Roberto Mello wanted to see if others were interested |
| 19:36.01 | RyanE | The alternative is to move to India, then post to PLUG... At least the Indians stay on topic. |
| 19:36.44 | Uncle_Jesse | RyanE: lol - especially those in India that think they're talking to other Indians |
| 19:37.08 | Jayce^ | you just wonder if they think our names are as wierd as what we think of theirs |
| 19:38.35 | RyanE | yeah and they're probably a bit confused about the last round of discussions |
| 19:39.17 | RyanE | tchau, all. Gotta go get some work done! |
| 19:39.41 | sjansen | XSLT anyone? |
| 19:39.45 | *** part/#utah RyanE (~rerickson@rberick.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 19:41.44 | levi | Jayce^: Hmm. Would have been more of an interesting thread if it hadn't gone off on Paul Graham. |
| 19:42.10 | Jayce^ | yeah, and if there had been more lispers around to pick up on his request :) |
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| 19:43.00 | sjansen | And by that, Jayce^ doesn't mean that abominal Spanish accent. |
| 19:43.12 | sjansen | ~seen Newsome |
| 19:43.12 | ibot | newsome is currently on #utah (21s) |
| 19:43.15 | Jayce^ | thpanith |
| 19:43.30 | Jayce^ | or ethpanhol |
| 19:43.52 | Maquis | Jayce^: you from spain? :) |
| 19:43.53 | goozbach | heh |
| 19:44.11 | javert42 | Obvioulsy not |
| 19:44.18 | Uncle_Jesse | I have ancestors from Spain |
| 19:44.38 | javert42 | If he was, he would know that S is not pronounced that way. |
| 19:44.44 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^ speaks portuguese. He's too good for Spanish |
| 19:44.54 | Jayce^ | darn skippy |
| 19:45.08 | javert42 | But it seems that Jayce^ and sjansen enjoy using that to make fun of Spanish. |
| 19:45.31 | sjansen | Dang straight! |
| 19:45.37 | Jayce^ | one of the managers here went to spain, and his wife is from there, yes they speak like that there |
| 19:46.46 | levi | OK, I subscribed to plug. We'll see how long I last. |
| 19:47.05 | javert42 | As far as I know, it's only supposed to be Z's and soft C's, but I'm sure there are people that do it with S's too. |
| 19:47.53 | sjansen | First rule of languages: don't pretend you know anything about the language until you've heard it spoken by a native. |
| 19:48.04 | hans | lisp has natives? |
| 19:48.12 | goozbach | heh |
| 19:48.16 | hans | do puerto ricans count as native spanish speakers? |
| 19:48.16 | levi | First rule of languages: You don't talk about languages. |
| 19:48.16 | Jayce^ | of course, the folks from PT overcompensate by saying the 'SH' sound for s.. |
| 19:48.31 | javert42 | Yes, Spaniards are all native lispers |
| 19:49.04 | javert42 | No, Puerto Ricans are native Puerto Rican speakers. |
| 19:49.04 | TimRiker | Jayce^: meeting tonight? hmm. I might try that. my wife might get here today though (from st george) in which case I probably ought to sepnd some time with here too. ;-) |
| 19:49.04 | sjansen | levi: They're generally pale skinned, unbathed, averse to sunlight and look around nervously everytime you say the word "thesis". |
| 19:49.13 | TimRiker | Jayce^: gpg keysigning? |
| 19:49.32 | Jayce^ | TimRiker, it's on XEN, but with you there I'm sure a few would like to sign |
| 19:49.38 | Jayce^ | I believe sjansen already mentioned that |
| 19:49.45 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: I don't know if now is the best time to join the PLUG list |
| 19:49.50 | hans | I'll bring my paper slips |
| 19:49.53 | Uncle_Jesse | you might get a bad impression |
| 19:49.57 | graphyx | Well my boss thinks he has a potential candidate for now. I'll post it to the mailing list if he wants my to. |
| 19:50.01 | hans | Uncle_Jesse: he's already been there |
| 19:50.02 | sjansen | Oops, make that hans: |
| 19:50.26 | levi | Uncle_Jesse: Oh, don't worry about that. |
| 19:51.43 | graphyx | google map hack for meeting place location? |
| 19:52.54 | TimRiker | interesting.. google wil map to 330 S but not 333 S |
| 19:53.12 | TimRiker | http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=333+S+520+W,+Lindon,+UT+84042 |
| 19:53.35 | graphyx | Perhaps they are trying to avoid disclosing the location of SCO? |
| 19:53.41 | TimRiker | http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=330+S+520+W,+Lindon,+UT+84042 |
| 19:53.55 | graphyx | or they made a mistake in that attempt? |
| 19:53.59 | sjansen | TimRiker: I'd prefer a diff -u ;-) |
| 19:54.03 | TimRiker | that later (incorrect) one is zoomed in. |
| 19:54.11 | Bradipo | I'll give you the GPS coordinates if you're interested... |
| 19:54.27 | TimRiker | heh. google will that that too, so sure, hit me. |
| 19:55.04 | graphyx | Is this the latest trend google geo caching? |
| 19:55.44 | TimRiker | my house in GPS: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=40.576+-111.975 |
| 19:55.45 | Bradipo | N 40 19.883' W 111 43.636' |
| 19:56.37 | TimRiker | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=N+40+19.883'+W+111+43.636' |
| 19:57.01 | Bradipo | Looks about right. |
| 19:57.17 | Bradipo | Don't recall which parking lot that was in. |
| 19:57.29 | TimRiker | try the satellite view while you're there. |
| 19:58.04 | Bradipo | Cool, looks like the south lot. |
| 19:58.08 | TimRiker | =) |
| 19:58.16 | levi | Can anyone tell if my mail server is bouncing plug emails? |
| 19:58.42 | TimRiker | ibot: bounce a mail off levi's server |
| 19:58.49 | TimRiker | aw |
| 19:59.42 | sjansen | levi: You should have just recieved a plug message. |
| 19:59.55 | graphyx | Did you send one to everybody? |
| 20:00.11 | levi | I should have received a confirmation request. |
| 20:00.17 | sjansen | Assuming your mail server is as fast as mine. ;-) |
| 20:00.35 | sjansen | ah, yes, that you should have |
| 20:03.32 | Jayce^ | sjansen, you alliterating fool...... 'levi loves lisp' |
| 20:04.20 | sjansen | I believe hans is the mailman admin. Perhaps he has something to contribute. |
| 20:08.56 | hans | levi, address? |
| 20:09.05 | levi | hans: levi@cold.org |
| 20:09.41 | hans | test message coming your way |
| 20:10.38 | levi | Ahh, the plug confirmation showed up. |
| 20:13.31 | levi | Ahh, no wonder. The mail server is greylisting. |
| 20:14.34 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone here certified in MySQL? |
| 20:15.01 | sjansen | o/~ Yo te doy todo mi amor, |
| 20:15.01 | sjansen | luna de mi corazón. ~/o |
| 20:15.07 | sjansen | http://www.lyricsondemand.com/j/juaneslyrics/lunalyrics.html |
| 20:15.19 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: Jayce^ is certifiable. |
| 20:15.22 | tdr32 | exit |
| 20:15.27 | sjansen | tdr32: /quit |
| 20:15.28 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: that's not what I asked |
| 20:15.35 | tdr32 | thanks |
| 20:15.53 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm looking to get certified but had some questions for someone that has been through the process |
| 20:16.22 | flyboy^ | I'm looking for some good wiki software. I've looked at mediawiki, usemodwiki, pmwiki and coWiki. Some how I wish I had all of them smashed into one wiki. :) |
| 20:16.31 | flyboy^ | What do people here like to use? |
| 20:16.52 | sjansen | There is no perfect wiki. I've looked far and wide for one. |
| 20:17.13 | vontrapp | write a new one! |
| 20:17.22 | flyboy^ | yeah, let's just add to the list. |
| 20:17.24 | Uncle_Jesse | flyboy^: have you looked into kwiki to write your own? |
| 20:17.28 | flyboy^ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_software |
| 20:17.35 | Uncle_Jesse | There's some great AJAX plugins for it |
| 20:17.37 | Jayce^ | sjansen, been lookign at the new mojomojo one, has some new ideas that are pretty spiffy |
| 20:18.08 | hans | instiki is good |
| 20:18.15 | flyboy^ | Uncle_Jesse: I was hoping to get something going within a few hours or so, that looks some what polished. |
| 20:18.18 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm writing a combined blog/wiki app right now |
| 20:18.35 | Uncle_Jesse | but mine won't be up in a few hours yet |
| 20:18.40 | sjansen | Because the world doesn't have enough yet. |
| 20:18.41 | Jayce^ | flyboy^, kwiki is good at fast, using that here.. |
| 20:19.04 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: I'm doing it just for you - don't you care? |
| 20:19.09 | lars-ut | Hhhhh: Eu gostaria de saber quantos que participam neste canal e os mailing lists falam português... |
| 20:19.20 | flyboy^ | I'll check that one out. We've been using mediawiki for some things at work, I think it's missing things. coWiki looks very cool, but it's a fairly young project best I can tell. |
| 20:19.26 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, muitos |
| 20:19.33 | Uncle_Jesse | mine's going to be more of a "communications tool" - all-in-one |
| 20:19.47 | flyboy^ | I like the Unix permission idea in coWiki. |
| 20:19.52 | Bradipo | Hmm, did Gmail up their storage to 2.3GB? |
| 20:19.55 | flyboy^ | And LOVE the breadcrumb navigation. |
| 20:20.16 | Bradipo | You are currently using 61 MB (3%) of your 2390 MB |
| 20:20.18 | Uncle_Jesse | I keep changing the infrastructure though so it never seems to be deployable |
| 20:20.23 | Uncle_Jesse | Bradipo: and counting |
| 20:20.55 | lars-ut | Jayce: Advinhe. 1-5, 5-10? |
| 20:21.05 | Uncle_Jesse | flyboy^: that's kind of how mine will work - unix permissions/authentication for some areas depending on how you organize your site |
| 20:21.08 | Jayce^ | pelo menos 10, eu acho |
| 20:21.45 | vontrapp | example to the cool breadcrumb nav? |
| 20:22.44 | flyboy^ | vontrapp: http://www.cowiki.org |
| 20:24.02 | vontrapp | sjansen: that's awesome Re: giving out cows |
| 20:26.02 | sjansen | lars-ut: Understanding TMBG is a waste of time. |
| 20:26.33 | lars-ut | sjansen: there's just something about that one line that sticks in my craw |
| 20:26.55 | sjansen | Build a little bird house in your soul. |
| 20:27.05 | Jayce^ | I'm your only friend |
| 20:27.22 | lars-ut | weird - that's what I'm listening to _right now_ |
| 20:27.35 | levi | I get the impression that he saw an Asian woman at the '64 World's Fair, and wondered who she might be, and made up a song about it. |
| 20:27.40 | vontrapp | there's a picture opposite me |
| 20:27.42 | lars-ut | sjansen: I thought I removed those listening devices |
| 20:27.51 | *** join/#utah spr (~spr@ramona.cs.byu.edu) |
| 20:27.56 | Jayce^ | of my primitive anceastry |
| 20:28.16 | Jayce^ | which stood on rocky shores and kept the beaches shipwreck free |
| 20:28.19 | lars-ut | not there yet... now |
| 20:28.25 | lars-ut | I'm 5 secs behind |
| 20:28.32 | lars-ut | argonauts... |
| 20:28.39 | vontrapp | though i respect that alot |
| 20:28.46 | vontrapp | (alot for you, sjansen) |
| 20:28.53 | Jayce^ | I'd be fired if that were my job |
| 20:29.04 | vontrapp | after killing jason off and countless screaming argonauts |
| 20:29.13 | lars-ut | coda... |
| 20:29.31 | vontrapp | ;) |
| 20:30.08 | Uncle_Jesse | Wooorm! |
| 20:30.41 | lars-ut | tell me if you think I'm getting better on the drums... |
| 20:33.05 | Uncle_Jesse | So where is there in Springville that a band can play? |
| 20:33.21 | spr | Arts Park |
| 20:33.31 | lars-ut | behind the Springville high school |
| 20:34.08 | lars-ut | the sound was a heck of a lot better than 'Stadium of Fire' to my ears |
| 20:34.18 | lars-ut | not a bad venue |
| 20:34.31 | lars-ut | Arts Park that is |
| 20:35.06 | Uncle_Jesse | interesting... |
| 20:35.26 | vontrapp | The Canyons was a pretty good venue, esp. when Collective Soul played there for free |
| 20:35.28 | Uncle_Jesse | That would be awesome to have TMBG play behind my high school growing up |
| 20:35.42 | vontrapp | mmmm, /me wants to go to Colorado! |
| 20:35.52 | hans | too bad you wouldn't have been in school on a summer evening. |
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| 20:36.17 | vontrapp | hans: he probably would have been, summer detention |
| 20:36.37 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: now look what you started on PLUG |
| 20:36.46 | Uncle_Jesse | now we've got a BSA thread from that one |
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| 20:41.55 | lars-ut | I went to a Christmas Concert there a few years back - orchestra and Kurt Bestor I think - excellent sound |
| 20:41.58 | Uncle_Jesse | best concert I ever saw was at the Astrodome |
| 20:42.09 | lars-ut | acoustically? |
| 20:42.39 | levi | The concerts I've enjoyed the most have been at clubs downtown. |
| 20:43.16 | Jayce^ | the tab has good acoustics, but I really like the concert hall up at ricks, very high quality |
| 20:44.54 | lars-ut | I think clubs/smaller venues are easier to manage soundwise - much better results |
| 20:45.20 | Jayce^ | easier to manage, smaller needs, but often the worst design... |
| 20:45.25 | Jayce^ | just ask fozz about that |
| 20:45.38 | lars-ut | why? |
| 20:46.07 | Jayce^ | he does lighting and sound for a local band |
| 20:46.16 | Jayce^ | plays a lot of the clubs around here |
| 20:47.16 | lars-ut | ... you opened the door & expelled all the poeple ... |
| 20:47.28 | levi | Grr, now that our smtp is switched to Groupwise, I'm having trouble sending out mail from work. |
| 20:58.01 | levi | Stupid groupwise... I'm on your freaking LAN! Relay for me! |
| 20:59.24 | hans | ~relay levi |
| 20:59.52 | goozbach | ~lart tomcat |
| 21:03.03 | sjansen | XSLT anyone? |
| 21:03.28 | hans | sjansen: what of it? |
| 21:03.47 | sjansen | Having a beast of a time with something. |
| 21:04.02 | hans | spit it out, boy |
| 21:05.38 | sjansen | I think I just got it! |
| 21:05.39 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: I hear if you use more of it it will finally work |
| 21:05.45 | vontrapp | sjansen: take your xslt elsewhere, we don't serve that kind here |
| 21:06.18 | Uncle_Jesse | it's like violence |
| 21:07.16 | sjansen | <xsl:template match="example"> |
| 21:07.17 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.17 | sjansen | <xsl:for-each select="$nodes"> |
| 21:07.17 | sjansen | <xsl:if test="following-sibling::callout">[<xsl:value-of select="following-sibling::callout"/>]</xsl:if> |
| 21:07.17 | sjansen | <xsl:text/>{<xsl:value-of select="."/>}</xsl:for-each> |
| 21:07.17 | sjansen | </xsl:template> |
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| 21:12.22 | vontrapp | <xsl:text>{<xsl:value-of select="."/>}</xsl:text> ? |
| 21:12.55 | sjansen | that's just to help me figure out what came out where |
| 21:13.34 | vontrapp | i'm suggesting to change it to that from <xsl:text/>{... |
| 21:13.47 | vontrapp | not that i have any idea how xslt works |
| 21:14.02 | sjansen | It shows. ;-) |
| 21:14.13 | vontrapp | 0.o |
| 21:14.41 | sjansen | xsl:text can only contain text |
| 21:15.17 | sjansen | <xsl:text/> eats whitespace before it in the stylesheet |
| 21:21.08 | TimRiker | Jayce^: probably not going to make it tonight. next month should work. |
| 21:23.55 | vontrapp | comments are for sissies :P |
| 21:26.19 | sjansen | Thing is, I can't think of a better description than the code itself. |
| 21:26.39 | sjansen | Maybe: "I can't believe this turned out to be so simple." |
| 21:27.02 | hans | self-deprecation is always fun in situations like these |
| 21:28.00 | levi | WTF? I can't connect to any mail servers besides my own, and I can't relay from it. |
| 21:28.15 | vontrapp | levi, vpn |
| 21:30.16 | vontrapp | what the poodle!? why does ubuntu give me so many dang size mismatches trying to download packages! |
| 21:30.32 | sjansen | bad mirror? |
| 21:30.42 | vontrapp | archive.ubuntu.com |
| 21:32.32 | vontrapp | *sigh* sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/isync_0.9.2-3_i386.deb |
| 21:32.55 | vontrapp | it downloads just fine, it just rejects it |
| 21:33.23 | sjansen | Why are you doing it manually instead of using aptitude? |
| 21:33.36 | vontrapp | i am using aptitude |
| 21:34.04 | vontrapp | but the size mismatch leaves in in the partion dir there, so since apt craps out on this mystery size mismatch i dpkg it |
| 21:37.49 | goozbach | jpackage++ |
| 21:37.56 | goozbach | all praise jpackage |
| 21:38.00 | sjansen | java-- |
| 21:38.15 | sjansen | all revile java |
| 21:39.57 | goozbach | sjansen: I don't have the option to ignore java |
| 21:40.06 | goozbach | if it were up ot me... |
| 21:41.47 | vontrapp | if it were up to him we'd all be eating java off the beach in the form of a dead bloated whale |
| 21:45.21 | goozbach | or force feeding said dead whale to all java developers |
| 21:46.25 | Jayce^ | mmm, exploding whale carcass |
| 21:47.22 | sjansen | levi: The truth comes out. At the end of the day, you don't like C just because you're always using it. |
| 21:47.42 | levi | sjansen: Using it a lot has made me wise to its deficiencies. |
| 21:48.11 | sjansen | But you can't deny its strengths. |
| 21:48.48 | levi | You were right, it is good at manipulating binary data. That's about it, though, and it's not all that great about building abstractions on binary data. |
| 21:53.17 | graphyx | hans: you around? |
| 21:53.34 | graphyx | Any idea on asterisk how to determine if main office hours are being applied to did routes? |
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| 21:59.33 | Hhhhh | hi |
| 21:59.37 | lars-ut | oi |
| 22:02.41 | lars-ut | A data pelo churrasco será escolhida hoje á noite? |
| 22:07.11 | javert42 | Yes. You foul-mouthed thing! |
| 22:12.32 | lars-ut | ~jedi javert42 |
| 22:12.32 | ibot | ACTION chops off javert42's head with her lightsaber |
| 22:12.55 | javert42 | That's the third head I've lost this week! |
| 22:13.01 | lars-ut | lol |
| 22:17.03 | hans | vontrapp: I noticed the other day a problem trying to install something else on ubuntu. mismatched md5 or something |
| 22:17.24 | vontrapp | yet another size mismatch |
| 22:17.27 | vontrapp | ~lart ubuntu |
| 22:17.34 | vontrapp | that's three today |
| 22:17.53 | hans | graphyx: yup. see voip-info.org |
| 22:20.42 | graphyx | k |
| 22:20.43 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.52 | graphyx | I googled and found that site. |
| 22:24.15 | vontrapp | does anyone have a good example tex file with tabular layout? |
| 22:24.39 | sjansen | Plain TeX? LaTeX? Or ConTeXt? |
| 22:25.02 | vontrapp | what's the difference? |
| 22:25.10 | hans | language snobbery |
| 22:25.24 | sjansen | If you don't know, you're probably using LaTeX. |
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| 22:25.39 | hans | and if you aren't you probably want to be |
| 22:25.40 | vontrapp | i am |
| 22:25.42 | sjansen | Can't help with LaTeX. |
| 22:25.49 | hans | tables are easy |
| 22:25.54 | hans | foo | bar | baz |
| 22:25.56 | hans | or maybe it's || |
| 22:26.09 | hans | of course you have to do the voodoo to start a table |
| 22:26.12 | sjansen | hans: Not necessarily. ConTeXt is much better, unless someone has already defined a layout for you in LaTeX. |
| 22:27.29 | vontrapp | just how different are they from eachother? |
| 22:28.02 | sjansen | The syntax is almost the same. |
| 22:28.30 | sjansen | It's kinda like the difference between French, Italian, & Spanish. |
| 22:28.54 | vontrapp | so syntax is the same, macros/layouts/etc have different names? |
| 22:29.14 | sjansen | Or maybe I should say, Latin, Italian, and Portuguese. That'd be closer. |
| 22:29.23 | sjansen | No. |
| 22:29.31 | vontrapp | Thai, Loa and Khmer |
| 22:29.50 | vontrapp | Lao |
| 22:29.54 | hans | sjansen: well, I've never heard of context, so I'd say even if it's cooler than latex latex is probably the first step into texdom |
| 22:29.55 | sjansen | All three are built on top of TeX. Plain TeX is a thin veneer, close enough to call it Latin. |
| 22:30.17 | hans | unless it's this blossoming rose that's appeared and is now ubiquitous since my foray into tex a year or two ago |
| 22:31.12 | sjansen | LaTeX has more grammatical rules, can express modern ideas, and is commonly used. |
| 22:31.31 | sjansen | (Italian) |
| 22:32.04 | levi | Very weak analogy. |
| 22:32.35 | levi | Italian has more grammar rules than Latin? |
| 22:32.52 | sjansen | *shrug* I don't know. |
| 22:33.10 | levi | I strongly doubt it.' |
| 22:34.28 | sjansen | Fine. My point is syntax is similar, but not the same. |
| 22:34.56 | sjansen | Tables are provided by packages built on top of TeX primitives. |
| 22:35.34 | sjansen | LaTeX has a preferred format. ConTeXt has two preffered formats. With some work you might be able to get other variations to work too. |
| 22:36.04 | sjansen | vontrapp: There's very little wading to LaTeX. |
| 22:36.48 | vontrapp | ok, it's a shallow ugly pond that will break my neck if i dive into it |
| 22:36.56 | sjansen | It's basically ten feet of kiddy pool, a foot or so of deep water, and then you fall off the edge of the continental shelf. |
| 22:37.26 | sjansen | ConTeXt has a more gradual slope. |
| 22:37.49 | sjansen | But for most people, using LaTeX and a layout designed by someone else is the best thing to muddle through. |
| 22:38.11 | vontrapp | i just want to start making formats and pretty things, no matter how silly or simple |
| 22:38.33 | sjansen | If you want to make your own pretty designs, ConTeXt is a much better choice. |
| 22:41.41 | vontrapp | what about lyx? |
| 22:42.21 | hans | lyx is ok as a latex front-end, but you're not in pagemaker mode. |
| 22:42.27 | sjansen | LyX is kinda LaTeX. |
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| 22:43.08 | hans | there's the latex philosophy: "The latex dudes know better than I about layout. I don't know or want to know about it." |
| 22:43.19 | hans | if that's not your situation, lyx (and latex probably) are going to be bad fits. |
| 22:43.45 | levi | There's always texmacs, too. |
| 22:44.34 | levi | Hmm, OS X Preview doesn't support the hyperlinks in the pdf documents on the ConTeXt pages. |
| 22:44.38 | levi | That's annoying. |
| 22:54.18 | levi | Alienation's for the rich, and I'm feelin' poorer every day! |
| 22:58.23 | sjansen | I should know by now not to think procedurally in a basically functional language. |
| 22:59.22 | sjansen | If I'm right about how to do this... it's amazing how succint XSLT can be. |
| 23:12.23 | levi | sjansen should write more Lisp. Then he would not be amazed. :) |
| 23:14.02 | levi | Maquis: Kill it! Kill it dead! |
| 23:15.41 | levi | Maquis: I got 1073 points out of a possible 1000 in my Java class, thanks to extra credit quizzes. Now hopefully I won't have to do anything with it again. |
| 23:17.12 | levi | Apparently I got a B in my stupid database class, though. |
| 23:27.20 | Jayce^ | see everybody at plug tonight :) |
| 23:27.22 | Jayce^ | later |
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| 23:41.15 | mheath | This sucks |
| 23:41.25 | levi | What sucks? |
| 23:41.27 | mheath | I sprained my knee at work today (slipped and twisted it) |
| 23:41.31 | mheath | No big deal, really |
| 23:41.55 | mheath | But I think, "Hey. My leg hurts pretty badly. Its kinda hard to move around. I should take the night off." (I was scheduled for a double shift) |
| 23:42.24 | mheath | But my work wants me to get a doctors note. No problem, workmans comp will pay for it |
| 23:42.45 | mheath | But I have to go to their chosen hospital. Which doesn't have any place to help walkins other than their ER |
| 23:43.03 | mheath | So I end up in the ER for a sprained knee |
| 23:43.31 | javert42 | They don't any designated doctors or clinics? Just a hospital? |
| 23:43.44 | mheath | Yep. Just a hospital |
| 23:44.01 | mheath | So I'm now wearing some stupid protective leg thing |
| 23:44.18 | mheath | with a referal to see an orthopedic doctor |
| 23:44.28 | Maquis | ~lart levi |
| 23:44.51 | mheath | And a now official problem that might stop me from going to a training I was planning on attending |
| 23:45.06 | levi | Maquis: What was that for? |
| 23:45.16 | Maquis | for getting over 100$ in your java class |
| 23:45.22 | mheath | Simply because I thought "Hey, my leg hurts. I Should take the night off, since its hard to move around." |
| 23:45.49 | mheath | I could have just ignored it and gone in to work tonight |
| 23:45.55 | mheath | The pain died down a bit..... |
| 23:45.59 | levi | mheath: So much easier to take a large dose of ibuprofen. |
| 23:46.33 | levi | Maquis: It was a pretty easy class. |
| 23:46.45 | levi | Maquis: I'm sure you would have done as well. |
| 23:47.17 | Maquis | still |
| 23:47.59 | Maquis | i'm sure that there were some people in the class who would love to have you strangled (those who barely passed or worse)... |
| 23:48.27 | levi | I doubt that anyone who tried in the class did very poorly. |
| 23:49.34 | Maquis | dunno... i would've said that about cs142, except that i know quite a few people who struggled for a C- |
| 23:50.32 | levi | True. Well, the other people in the class don't know my grade, so they won't want to strangle me. |
| 23:51.01 | Maquis | haha... |
| 23:51.53 | levi | Hey, no fair. The temperature went down for a bit, but now it's back up. |
| 23:54.09 | Maquis | sunny, but not too hot... |
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| 23:54.36 | levi | High of 102 here today. |
| 23:54.46 | Maquis | levi: according to weather.com it's 72 here... :) |
| 23:54.49 | levi | It's currently hovering around 100. |
| 23:54.58 | levi | And I get to ride home on my bike in it. :) |
| 23:57.57 | Maquis | amcnabb: hi |