| 00:06.53 | tene | So, question. |
| 00:07.06 | tene | Anyone here ever do any work with pic microcontrollers? |
| 00:17.13 | Supaplex | I have |
| 00:17.32 | Supaplex | oh wait, not pic's but atmel avr's |
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| 00:44.07 | bonez41 | welcome tyce.... |
| 00:44.12 | bonez41 | how's xo's service? |
| 01:04.12 | bonez41 | anyone? |
| 01:09.22 | Supaplex | could be a managed modem (wholesale dialup) |
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| 01:52.58 | tyce | I haven't been all that pleased with xo's service... it was forced upon me by the HOA |
| 01:56.28 | xbmodder | I just commited server suicide! |
| 01:56.29 | xbmodder | Bring it on! |
| 01:59.18 | xbmodder | "username for all site sex" on some search engine comes up with my siter |
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| 02:01.20 | xbmodder | how do you get 9181 hits from Windows me machines in one month? |
| 02:08.30 | Supaplex | just cause? :P |
| 02:20.06 | tene | is that 'site' or 'sister'? |
| 02:20.44 | xbmodder | lol |
| 02:21.18 | xbmodder | site.... |
| 02:21.21 | xbmodder | defiently site |
| 02:21.54 | xbmodder | or else I'd jump of a cliff |
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| 02:32.05 | tyce | :-/ |
| 02:32.52 | sjansen{NSL}UT | :/- |
| 02:32.59 | sjansen{NSL}UT | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.09 | sjansen{NSL}UT | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.16 | sjansen{NSL}UT | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.21 | Maquis | huh? |
| 02:33.32 | sjansen{NSL}UT | hu?h |
| 02:33.37 | sjansen{NSL}UT | h?uh |
| 02:33.40 | sjansen{NSL}UT | ?huh |
| 02:33.41 | Maquis | ~lart sjansen{NSL}UT |
| 02:33.53 | levi | ~lart sjansen{NSL}UT |
| 02:35.30 | sjansen | techy, techy, techy |
| 02:35.39 | levi | This is an interesting paper so far: http://international-lisp-conference.org/multimedia/allen-paper.pdf |
| 02:36.02 | levi | It's not really about lisp, despite the URL. |
| 02:36.17 | Maquis | levi: what's it about? |
| 02:36.41 | Maquis | there are actually some pretty neat programs on here... |
| 02:37.32 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.32 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.32 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.32 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.32 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.34 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.45 | levi | It's about the history of engineering, as it moved from a trade-based task to a science-based task, and how there's hope that software engineering will move in the same direction. |
| 02:38.56 | levi | Heh. Obfuscated C is cool, in a perverse kind of way, but not really interesting to me. |
| 02:39.16 | Maquis | but... the X racing game was cool! |
| 02:39.23 | Maquis | and the code was pretty short :) |
| 02:40.58 | levi | John McCarthy quote from long ago: It is reasonable to hope that the relationship between computation and mathematical logic will |
| 02:41.01 | levi | be as fruitful in the next century as that between analysis and physics in the last. The |
| 02:41.04 | levi | development of this relationship demands a concern for both applications and for mathematical |
| 02:41.08 | levi | elegance. |
| 02:41.11 | levi | Oops, that was supposed to be one line. |
| 02:45.49 | sjansen | looks like niven is having problems |
| 02:45.53 | tyce | so any apple followers in here? |
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| 02:46.12 | tyce | if so, any predictions for the coming keynote this week? |
| 02:46.16 | sjansen | tyce: I'm a former Apple cultist. |
| 02:46.42 | tyce | :) |
| 02:47.16 | tene | now if things are configured correctly... |
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| 02:49.00 | sjansen | yup, but then I would have been surprised if it had been otherwise |
| 02:57.41 | Maquis | http://www0.us.ioccc.org/2001/rosten.c <-- that gets the award for coolest ioccc entry i've seen so far |
| 02:57.49 | Maquis | think of all the fun applications |
| 02:59.53 | sjansen | You can #include __FILE__?! |
| 02:59.56 | sjansen | That's sick. |
| 03:00.52 | levi | C is sick. ioccc just exaggerates it. :) |
| 03:08.50 | mheath | gah |
| 03:08.55 | mheath | that code scares me |
| 03:09.51 | Maquis | you are a opaque teapot of filth |
| 03:15.27 | xbmodder | lol |
| 03:15.52 | xbmodder | I like the code, but that does it do? |
| 03:16.20 | mheath | xbmodder: read it :) |
| 03:16.47 | mheath | I'm going out for my run |
| 03:16.52 | mheath | Be back in about 15 minutes |
| 03:16.59 | xbmodder | how do you compile it? |
| 03:17.07 | xbmodder | (how far do you run) |
| 03:17.30 | mheath | I run 1.5 miles every night |
| 03:17.35 | levi | xbmodder: How does a geek look? |
| 03:17.36 | mheath | I'm looking to increase that, though |
| 03:17.48 | mheath | (in about 12 minutes, incase you were wondering) |
| 03:18.00 | mheath | again, looking to increase that |
| 03:18.07 | mheath | bah, I'll wait a minute. Earlier than I thought |
| 03:18.10 | mheath | I usually go out at 9:30 |
| 03:18.17 | xbmodder | lol |
| 03:18.26 | xbmodder | increase 12 minutes |
| 03:18.27 | xbmodder | why? |
| 03:18.39 | xbmodder | its good |
| 03:18.44 | mheath | ......Figuratively. |
| 03:18.47 | mheath | Less time |
| 03:18.50 | xbmodder | oh |
| 03:18.50 | mheath | Increase preformance |
| 03:19.04 | xbmodder | how do you include X11 libraries during a compile? |
| 03:19.10 | levi | xbmodder: He mentioned 'increase' after his distance, not time. |
| 03:19.21 | mheath | levi: I mentioned it after the time, too |
| 03:19.33 | levi | Oh, right. |
| 03:19.47 | mheath | Right now my nightly workout is pathetic |
| 03:19.59 | mheath | 6 sets of 20 pushups |
| 03:19.59 | xbmodder | cool |
| 03:20.02 | mheath | 6 sets of 25 situps |
| 03:20.04 | levi | Naturally that would increase with distance, as speed is a lot harder to increase. |
| 03:20.05 | xbmodder | to the increase |
| 03:20.16 | mheath | 1.5 mile run |
| 03:20.27 | mheath | levi: indeed it is |
| 03:20.46 | mheath | I have a lot more endurance than when I started running, but my speed has hardly changed at all |
| 03:21.44 | levi | I do cycling instead of running. Running would be easier to do at night, though. |
| 03:21.44 | mheath | I hope my doctors appointment doesn't run too long tomorrow morning |
| 03:21.59 | mheath | My boss screwed up and scheduled me for a double shift on a day I asked off >.> |
| 03:22.54 | mheath | levi: cool |
| 03:23.09 | mheath | I'm doing running mainly so I can pass some tests I have to take |
| 03:23.13 | levi | I just don't enjoy running, while I really enjoy cycling. |
| 03:23.17 | mheath | but they're easy, and I've gotten far past the requirements |
| 03:23.28 | mheath | levi: yeah, its a very different experience |
| 03:24.17 | levi | Flying along in excess of 20mph with the wind at your back is fun. :) |
| 03:24.25 | mheath | ~lart the idiot who decided to make one of these PDF forms editable and the other not |
| 03:24.45 | levi | Downhill at 40+mph gets rather exciting, too. |
| 03:24.57 | mheath | levi: bah, I have my car for that ;) |
| 03:25.14 | levi | mheath: I have a fast car, too, but it's not at all the same feeling. :) |
| 03:25.26 | mheath | I'm getting way more endurance...... |
| 03:25.49 | mheath | I can do what I think is about 3/4 mile without breaking a sweat |
| 03:26.02 | mheath | partially uphill, too |
| 03:26.29 | mheath | anyway, I'm going to go drink a bit of water and head out |
| 03:26.33 | levi | I've found that trained athletes tend to sweat a lot more than untrained folks. |
| 03:26.40 | mheath | be back in about 15 minutes |
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| 03:46.05 | mheath | I'm back |
| 03:46.17 | mheath | took almost 20 minutes, cause I was grabbing some oranges |
| 03:49.56 | mheath | that sounds so good |
| 03:53.52 | Supaplex | it is :) |
| 04:02.10 | hans | Maquis: :help window-moving |
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| 05:34.42 | Maquis | hans: thank you!!! |
| 05:35.19 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 05:43.38 | levi | Yo. |
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| 14:19.02 | tyce | got to work this morning to discover that the AC had once again failed in our server closet |
| 14:19.12 | tyce | it was over 120 degrees |
| 14:19.54 | tyce | most of my boxes are down for the count... "great to see you too Monday!" |
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| 14:30.37 | mheath | gah |
| 14:30.44 | mheath | Thats going to be the biggest problem with my cluster |
| 14:30.46 | mheath | heat |
| 14:30.53 | mheath | That and electricity..... |
| 14:32.19 | tyce | I just hope some of these boxes come back up |
| 14:32.35 | tyce | this is the 5th time in the past couple months this has happened. |
| 14:33.10 | tyce | coporate needs to get off their @$$ and approve the monitoring system we demanded the last time this happened. |
| 14:34.53 | tyce | you would think that with over $150K in a equipment packed into a room, they would slurge on the < $4k needed for propering monitoring |
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| 15:03.44 | neybar_work | tyce, that makes far too much sense |
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| 15:10.41 | Jayce^ | woohoo... back |
| 15:12.35 | mrpull_ | Jayce^: where have you been? |
| 15:12.57 | Jayce^ | Backcountry Montana |
| 15:13.17 | mrpull_ | and you are happy to be back? I think i'd be bummed to return. |
| 15:14.14 | Jayce^ | well, I was having net withdrawls :) |
| 15:14.23 | Jayce^ | otherwise, yeah, wish Iwas still there |
| 15:14.51 | mrpull_ | ahhh... i went camping for 4 days over the holiday. It was quite nice to be out of cell phone range. |
| 15:15.19 | mrpull_ | what took you to montana? |
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| 15:17.07 | hans | aliens |
| 15:17.13 | tensai | hans: am no |
| 15:17.18 | tensai | s/no/not/ |
| 15:23.52 | Jayce^ | family cabin up there |
| 15:23.55 | Jayce^ | real cabing |
| 15:23.57 | Jayce^ | cabin |
| 15:26.35 | Jayce^ | at least we kept sophie out of the garden most of the time ;) |
| 15:27.23 | tensai | the plants survived, no worries |
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| 15:27.48 | tensai | I still can't picture anything but my old pentium 133 when you mention sophie |
| 15:28.02 | goozbach | tensai: must have been tending the dog |
| 15:28.11 | tensai | *sniff*, my first linux box |
| 15:30.13 | vontrapp | hans, why do you do pppoe? |
| 15:31.58 | tensai | goozbach: yup. Jayce^ stopped at my place on his way to the woods. |
| 15:42.11 | hans | vontrapp: two reasons. first, I don't trust my dsl modem, and second, for the IP address. |
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| 15:53.54 | vontrapp | any ideas, even the most wild, out there, craziest, why a form field named readdate_<num> would come up blank after a submit? |
| 15:54.48 | tensai | you've got a typo on the server and are looking for the wrong variable |
| 15:55.08 | tensai | field name is too long |
| 15:55.14 | vontrapp | this is the really wierd part, for anyone here in this office, it works just fine, but for people in california, it fails |
| 15:55.24 | tensai | field not defined properly in the html |
| 15:55.33 | vontrapp | too long, that's something to look into |
| 15:55.40 | vontrapp | exact same html on both sides |
| 15:55.45 | tensai | I'm just making stuff up, of course |
| 15:55.56 | tensai | same browser? |
| 15:56.00 | vontrapp | of course, i asked for anything |
| 15:56.18 | vontrapp | same browser... |
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| 16:04.37 | decriptor | I'm looking for some good documentation on bind 9 |
| 16:04.38 | *** join/#utah spr (~spr@ramona.cs.byu.edu) |
| 16:04.56 | decriptor | does anyone know of some good online stuff. partly in the master/slave stuff |
| 16:05.04 | decriptor | I've always just done master servers |
| 16:05.25 | decriptor | also is it smart to do a master and slave or just two masters |
| 16:09.38 | tensai | it's easier to do master/slave. I can't think of why you wouldn't. It's simple to upgrade a slave to master if you ever need to. |
| 16:10.06 | tensai | http://www.nominum.com/content/documents/bind9arm.pdf |
| 16:10.13 | tensai | official bind9 manual |
| 16:10.50 | decriptor | cool |
| 16:12.10 | decriptor | I've noticed that you can force bind to use both processors for an average named server that gets hit but not pounded do I need to worry about it |
| 16:12.22 | decriptor | I do have it on a dual |
| 16:12.28 | decriptor | 933 |
| 16:12.41 | decriptor | yes really really fast server :) |
| 16:14.53 | tensai | dns is not cpu intensive. my dual 997s are getting about 85 queries per second right now and the cpus are 80% idle. the box is also a moderately loaded mail and web server. |
| 16:14.55 | decriptor | thanks for the documentation so far its answered a lot of questions I don't know why I didn't find this awhile back |
| 16:15.11 | tensai | because it's buried on nomium's website. took me a long time to find |
| 16:15.15 | decriptor | cool thats kind of what I figured |
| 16:15.25 | decriptor | this one is going to be a web and dns server and thats it |
| 16:15.58 | decriptor | thanks for finding it then |
| 16:19.02 | tensai | glad I could help |
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| 16:20.20 | vontrapp | hans: so does pppoe make it more reliable? |
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| 16:21.20 | hans | more reliable than the modem? I think so |
| 16:21.26 | hans | no hard evidence on that |
| 16:21.42 | hans | pppoe is because that's what it is |
| 16:22.42 | vontrapp | but how does pppoe over the unreliable modem yeild more reliability? |
| 16:23.08 | hans | the modem doesn't have to do pppoe, just dsl stuff |
| 16:23.33 | hans | reliability is a side effect, really. by doing pppoe on falcon I can keep that IP address for myself, not waste it on a stupid modem. |
| 16:23.48 | hans | so I don't have to pay the $4/mo for another IP address. |
| 16:24.10 | vontrapp | ok, ic, so pppoe is something you have to do anyway, and you opt to do it with falcon... |
| 16:24.41 | hans | right. your modem if you have dsl, either does pppoe, pppoa, or something like that |
| 16:31.29 | hans | http://www.comics.com/comics/getfuzzy/archive/images/getfuzzy2005071149490.jpg |
| 16:32.02 | vontrapp | yeah, that's a good one |
| 16:39.39 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:41.29 | neybar_work | I agree, that was wierd |
| 16:45.10 | mrpull_ | what was weird? |
| 16:45.56 | vontrapp | i before e except after c, or sounded as 'A' as in neighbor and weigh and well, weird words too |
| 16:53.30 | vontrapp | how do you turn off bash_completion without removing the source /etc/bash_completion line and starting a new term? |
| 17:02.13 | hans | what was that local digium-like hardware company? |
| 17:03.36 | Bradipo | Interesting test http://www.quiz2d.com/ |
| 17:03.56 | Bradipo | There is shorter version available here: http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html |
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| 17:20.37 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 17:25.05 | vontrapp | does ubuntu have NX? |
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| 17:38.55 | tyce | soon |
| 17:39.32 | vontrapp | soon it will have nx? |
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| 17:40.39 | sjansen | http://www.okcupid.com/tests/take?testid=14911521259611283941 |
| 17:42.58 | goozbach | 82% for me |
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| 17:45.33 | decriptor | if I setup a server with php5 will I run into problems with php4 code |
| 17:46.56 | sjansen | goozbach: Actually, that's a different survey I posted. |
| 17:47.17 | sjansen | " The Cowboy-Ninja-Pirate-Knight Test" |
| 17:47.48 | sjansen | Although, for the record, I have a 77% chance of surviving a zombie attack. |
| 17:49.18 | RyanE | Pirate Raider |
| 17:53.30 | goozbach | rogue ninja! |
| 17:58.36 | vontrapp | cowboy |
| 17:58.49 | sjansen | knight |
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| 17:59.46 | xbmodder | hey'\ |
| 18:08.35 | vontrapp | some |
| 18:08.55 | vontrapp | decriptor: that some is for you |
| 18:09.10 | vontrapp | but not too many |
| 18:10.34 | vontrapp | we moved from 4 to 5 with about 100,000 lines of code |
| 18:13.42 | lars-ut | ~emulate Ms Bitters |
| 18:13.42 | ibot | So, young man, now you see that there's a price to pay for eating paste. Would you say that losing the use of your mouth was worth it? |
| 18:23.44 | hans | sjansen: ruby hugs you back |
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| 18:42.22 | lars-ut | Speaking of OSS, They Might Be Giants was great in concert Friday. |
| 18:44.57 | spr | That they were |
| 18:50.18 | Jayce^ | sjansen, should have been in irc then, it was discussed in here |
| 18:51.57 | lars-ut | here are the tracks I remember or recognized from the show: |
| 18:51.59 | lars-ut | Alphabet of Nations |
| 18:51.59 | lars-ut | Memo To Human Resources |
| 18:51.59 | lars-ut | Experimental Film |
| 18:51.59 | lars-ut | John Lee Supertaster |
| 18:51.59 | lars-ut | Dr. Worm |
| 18:52.00 | lars-ut | Robot Parade |
| 18:52.02 | lars-ut | Spine |
| 18:52.04 | lars-ut | Museum Of Idiots |
| 18:52.06 | lars-ut | Birdhouse In Your Soul |
| 18:52.08 | lars-ut | Istanbul (Not Constantinople) |
| 18:52.10 | lars-ut | Ana Ng |
| 18:52.12 | lars-ut | End Of The Tour |
| 18:52.14 | lars-ut | Particle Man |
| 18:55.07 | sjansen | I still remember many years ago when the smoothly transitioned from The Guitar to Spider to some disco song. |
| 18:56.22 | lars-ut | John Linnell did a lot w/transtions this time, too |
| 18:57.18 | lars-ut | It appeared as if he was almost just meeing around with his keyboards & then somehow the sounds turned into a song you started to recognize. |
| 18:57.28 | lars-ut | s/meeing/messing |
| 18:58.40 | lars-ut | Flansburgh had a lot of off the cuff remarks that were funny - plus it was wild to see him play guitar backwards - he's left handed and plays left-handed. |
| 18:59.44 | spr | Also played: Fingertips, Snail Shell |
| 18:59.51 | lars-ut | yes! |
| 19:00.03 | spr | Older |
| 19:02.44 | sjansen | I think I like the idea of ICANN losing control of the Internet. I'm not sure I like the idea of the UN taking it. |
| 19:19.38 | lars-ut | me returns from his meeting & wishes all meetings were that short. |
| 19:20.04 | lars-ut | spr: any other tracks that you remember? |
| 19:37.51 | hans | ~seen tensai |
| 19:37.51 | ibot | tensai <~tensai@207.141.37.66> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 33d 20h 40m 21s ago, saying: 'jsmith: so far the only difference between my office t1 and my home dsl that I've seen is the latency. t1 is about 8ms and the dsl is about 40ms.'. |
| 19:38.02 | hans | riiight |
| 19:38.05 | hans | ~lart ibot |
| 19:38.20 | sjansen | ~seen hans |
| 19:38.20 | ibot | hans is currently on #utah (12h 40m 11s). Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 15s |
| 19:38.46 | sjansen | ibot appears to forget after a person logs out |
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| 19:54.46 | vontrapp | ~lart acroread |
| 19:56.31 | sjansen | What'd acroread do to you? |
| 19:56.52 | vontrapp | can't print properly |
| 19:57.00 | vontrapp | xpdf worked like a charm |
| 19:57.11 | sjansen | now there's an understatement |
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| 20:01.53 | lars-ut | sjansen: What's wrong with UN controlling communications infrastructure? |
| 20:02.14 | sjansen | China, for starters. |
| 20:02.46 | lars-ut | The UN should be trusted with my money too - wait, I already paid them to finance terrorists with 'Oil for Food'. |
| 20:03.09 | lars-ut | darn terrorist tax... |
| 20:03.31 | sjansen | On the other hand, giving control to selandia might not be a bad idea. ;-) |
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| 20:06.38 | Bradipo | lars-ut: I wouldn't call it giving where it is forcefully extracted from you... |
| 20:07.28 | lars-ut | My money is forcefully extracted for the privilege of being attacked. Even the mafia gives you 'protection'. |
| 20:07.40 | Bradipo | lol |
| 20:08.14 | lars-ut | And yet I still believe I live in the greatest nation on earth. |
| 20:08.44 | sjansen | That's 'cause we have TMBG. |
| 20:09.31 | lars-ut | amen |
| 20:10.25 | Bradipo | Talmage Building? The Most Big Guns? |
| 20:10.37 | sjansen | They Might Be Giants |
| 20:10.46 | hans | tmbw.net |
| 20:11.15 | Hhhhh | talmage building lol |
| 20:11.41 | lars-ut | http://www.theymightbegiants.com/ |
| 20:11.50 | Hhhhh | I think the US should leave the UN |
| 20:12.02 | Hhhhh | and see how they handle themselves :p |
| 20:12.39 | sjansen | Bad idea. France with hand control to China, which will decide to share power with North Korea to avoid conflict. |
| 20:12.55 | lars-ut | Or we could ignore the foundations of our country & look to others for legal precedents - yeah that's a good idea, too. |
| 20:13.11 | Hhhhh | the US finances their butt, and when 9/11 happened everybody goes "3 little monkeys in Africa: See No Evil, Say no Evil and Speak No Evil" |
| 20:13.28 | Bradipo | They have the same phrase in Italy... |
| 20:13.29 | Hhhhh | lars-ut: lol, yea |
| 20:13.44 | Bradipo | Especially when it comes to crimes committed by the mafia. |
| 20:13.57 | Bradipo | Everybody just seems to know nothing about it. |
| 20:14.02 | Hhhhh | sjansen: UN wouldn't last a year without the US |
| 20:14.14 | lars-ut | ya' think? |
| 20:14.22 | Bradipo | It might last, but it wouldn't have the world police force that the US has become. |
| 20:14.24 | Hhhhh | with a 40% budget cut? HA! |
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| 20:14.49 | sjansen | All I'm saying is if we pull out, it'd be a good idea to announce a sudden increase in our arms cache and a willingness to strike pre-emptively. |
| 20:15.25 | sjansen | You think a mere budget cut will stop the UN? Other countries will just step up and finally start paying their fair share. |
| 20:15.25 | Hhhhh | so be it |
| 20:15.35 | Hhhhh | yea right |
| 20:15.40 | Hhhhh | France first in line |
| 20:15.43 | Hhhhh | sure |
| 20:17.14 | lars-ut | Maybe a nice 'Bon Voyage' Event to mark the departure of the US from the UN - TMBG could headline. |
| 20:17.21 | sjansen | I think France would love it if we left the UN. They like to imagine themselves our equal. With us gone they might actually convince a few people its true. |
| 20:18.02 | Hhhhh | nah, the whole world knows how France is |
| 20:18.43 | lars-ut | France could be convinced to surrender to the UN |
| 20:19.08 | bucky | We should pull all our missionaries out of France and revoke all baptisms by poxy for the dead of French descent |
| 20:19.49 | sjansen | Another brilliant idea from bucky. |
| 20:20.01 | sjansen | Mixing religion and govt. is always a bad idea. |
| 20:20.05 | Jayce^ | oooh, we baptize via the Pox... right outta the middle ages |
| 20:20.25 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, surprised? I thought it was expected |
| 20:20.34 | Hhhhh | bucky: lol |
| 20:20.48 | Hhhhh | haha |
| 20:20.58 | bucky | the whole idea of the UN for us is to be able to proselytise all these people |
| 20:22.14 | lars-ut | bucky: I told you to 'apt-get dist-upgrade' for bucky bot - then we wouldn't have these errant IRC strings anymore. |
| 20:22.57 | sjansen | lars-ut: There's an easier solution. /ignore bucky!*@* |
| 20:23.20 | lars-ut | done |
| 20:23.50 | Hhhhh | lars-ut: it's just a trollbot, don't worry about him |
| 20:24.08 | Hhhhh | yum remove buckybot |
| 20:33.24 | bucky | ~seen data|w0lf |
| 20:33.24 | ibot | i haven't seen 'data|w0lf', bucky |
| 20:36.08 | bucky | ~seen Data|w0lf |
| 20:36.08 | ibot | bucky: i haven't seen 'data|w0lf' |
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| 20:54.55 | bucky | ~seen data||w0lf |
| 20:54.55 | ibot | i haven't seen 'data||w0lf', bucky |
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| 21:02.19 | sjansen | Ah, better... |
| 21:12.12 | levi | Digitally imported withdrawl? |
| 21:12.44 | levi | Is that a digital audio filter that makes you sound like a Texan? |
| 21:13.03 | sjansen | My di.fm stream was interrupted. |
| 21:13.22 | vontrapp | what stream is this? |
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| 21:13.46 | sjansen | http://di.fm/ |
| 21:13.51 | levi | DI is trance, isn't it? |
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| 21:14.46 | sjansen | various (mostly) techno streams |
| 21:15.26 | sjansen | I usually listen to the trance stream. |
| 21:15.56 | levi | I like the somafm streams. |
| 21:17.01 | levi | And Radio Paradise |
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| 21:21.13 | decriptor | I need to write a php script that emails a form how would I do that if I was using postfix |
| 21:22.48 | goozbach | the mail() function just uses the sendmail command |
| 21:23.06 | goozbach | so it should work reguardless of the MTA on the back end |
| 21:26.39 | vontrapp | anyone know how to get a stubbornly locked zip disk to eject? (in ubuntu) |
| 21:27.22 | goozbach | paperclip in the manual eject hole |
| 21:27.43 | levi | A really big hammer. |
| 21:27.49 | goozbach | crowbar |
| 21:27.53 | vontrapp | what's the manual eject hole? |
| 21:28.16 | levi | vontrapp: It's where you stick the paperclip. |
| 21:28.21 | goozbach | it should be this small < 1mm hole near the drive slot |
| 21:28.35 | goozbach | push a paperclip into the hole |
| 21:31.10 | sjansen | assuming mail() is properly configured |
| 21:31.59 | sjansen | personally, I had no end of problems with mail() so I started using a pure php smtp client based on comments in the docs at php.net |
| 21:32.27 | sjansen | why are you using zip disks? don't care about your data? |
| 21:32.32 | Maquis | ~lart wrists |
| 21:36.55 | goozbach | how big is a favicon supposed to be? |
| 21:36.56 | vontrapp | sjansen: better than floppies |
| 21:37.04 | vontrapp | 16x16 |
| 21:37.43 | sjansen | actually, becaus they are icn files, they can contain multiple sizes, but they must contain a 16x16 |
| 21:37.54 | sjansen | most browsers ignore other sizes |
| 21:38.31 | sjansen | vontrapp: only a little, usb thingies are cheap and strongly recommended |
| 21:39.34 | vontrapp | i agree, but if you already have a couple of zip disks and a drive why not use them |
| 21:39.58 | levi | click... of... DEATH! |
| 21:40.28 | sjansen | *shrug* it's your data |
| 21:40.34 | vontrapp | actually, i wouldn't say they're 'only a little' better than floppies, they've got to be at least a LOT better |
| 21:40.49 | sjansen | not, just able to store more data |
| 21:41.12 | vontrapp | it's actually not myself, and the zip disk isn't the sole residence of the data |
| 21:41.13 | sjansen | I'd argue they're even a little less reliable than floppies. Provided you keep the floppy in a proper container. |
| 21:41.29 | sjansen | A good jolt can kill a zip disk. |
| 21:42.52 | vontrapp | http://redhanded.hobix.com/cult/floppyhedron.html <- at least you can do this with floppies |
| 21:43.32 | vontrapp | i don't think i've used a single floppy more than three times and not have problems |
| 21:45.38 | vontrapp | i hardly feel the need for any portable data medium these days, however, with connectivity skyrocketing and all |
| 21:46.27 | sjansen | All hail goozbach! |
| 21:48.39 | goozbach | thank you thank you! |
| 21:49.31 | vontrapp | what he do? |
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| 21:50.11 | sjansen | emcnabb! |
| 21:50.36 | sjansen | emcnabb: Should you be using the Internet during your honyemoon? |
| 21:50.56 | xbmodder_lappy | OH FUCK! |
| 21:51.07 | *** kick/#utah [xbmodder_lappy!~Jayce_@pollux.northsky.com] by Jayce^ (Jayce^) |
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| 21:51.16 | vontrapp | ~slap xbmodder_lappy |
| 21:51.16 | ibot | ACTION slaps xbmodder_lappy, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 21:51.16 | xbmodder_lappy | lappy root # dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda |
| 21:51.26 | xbmodder_lappy | i meant /dev/sda |
| 21:51.28 | xbmodder_lappy | not hda |
| 21:52.01 | xbmodder_lappy | is there a place in kernel memory so I can restore my partitions |
| 21:52.18 | Jayce^ | no, it doesn't store your whole partition in memory :) |
| 21:52.30 | xbmodder_lappy | partition table |
| 21:52.39 | emcnabb | we need to do a few things online, so I got auto-logined in on IRC |
| 21:52.48 | emcnabb | we're in Illinois for our reception tomorrow |
| 21:54.13 | vontrapp | xbmodder_lappy: i hope your important stuff wasn't on the first partition |
| 21:54.19 | xbmodder_lappy | nope |
| 21:54.26 | xbmodder_lappy | but I need a partition table |
| 21:54.32 | vontrapp | do you remember what you had partitioned? |
| 21:55.17 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.17 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.17 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.34 | goozbach | ha ha |
| 21:55.35 | xbmodder_lappy | now how do I convert MB to blocks and back I do not know |
| 21:55.41 | vontrapp | see if fdisk reads from the disk or somewhere in memory |
| 21:56.24 | vontrapp | what are the first two numbers? |
| 21:56.26 | goozbach | two words: back up! |
| 21:56.41 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, How do you backup your partition table? |
| 21:56.50 | xbmodder_lappy | vontrapp, major and minor |
| 21:57.03 | vontrapp | cake, it's just the first X bytes on the drive |
| 21:57.22 | vontrapp | so you could probably use those sizes to recreate the partition table |
| 21:57.27 | xbmodder_lappy | i hope |
| 21:57.50 | vontrapp | write them down, so you can play with variants if they don't work as is |
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| 21:58.56 | vontrapp | no logical partitions? |
| 21:59.01 | xbmodder_lappy | no |
| 21:59.44 | xbmodder_lappy | State: D (disk sleep) |
| 22:00.02 | vontrapp | most partition programs will let you enter a size rather than blocks |
| 22:00.09 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 22:00.18 | xbmodder_lappy | do you know any that will let you enter blocks |
| 22:00.29 | vontrapp | any |
| 22:00.34 | goozbach | you can backup your partition table like so: |
| 22:00.54 | xbmodder_lappy | dd if=/dev/hda of=backup bs=512k count=4 |
| 22:01.02 | goozbach | dd if=/dev/hda of=/etc/mbr.back bs=512 count=1 |
| 22:01.25 | goozbach | you only want the first 512 |
| 22:01.30 | xbmodder_lappy | ok |
| 22:01.44 | xbmodder_lappy | how can 512 bytes kill a box |
| 22:02.05 | vontrapp | if they're 512 well placed random bytes |
| 22:02.18 | goozbach | your boot sector is pretty important |
| 22:02.59 | goozbach | it's the first sector on your hard drive |
| 22:03.21 | goozbach | everytime i make a big change to my partition table I back it up first |
| 22:03.25 | xbmodder_lappy | lappy root # partprobe |
| 22:03.25 | xbmodder_lappy | Error: Unable to satisfy all constraints on the partition. |
| 22:03.25 | xbmodder_lappy | Error: Can't have the end before the start! |
| 22:03.55 | xbmodder-screen | :-/ |
| 22:05.04 | levi | xbmodder-screen: You should apparently stop running as root. |
| 22:05.32 | xbmodder_lappy | well. I was going to dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda.... |
| 22:05.34 | xbmodder_lappy | one letter |
| 22:05.36 | xbmodder_lappy | one bye |
| 22:05.39 | xbmodder_lappy | *byte |
| 22:06.04 | levi | Yes, well. |
| 22:06.19 | levi | Don't do things like that. |
| 22:09.34 | xbmodder-screen | well gooz thats you |
| 22:10.07 | xbmodder-screen | I've got two dead systems and a lighter |
| 22:10.36 | levi | xbmodder-screen: How did you kill the other one? |
| 22:11.00 | xbmodder-screen | I didn't |
| 22:11.12 | xbmodder-screen | It's video card died in the great outage |
| 22:11.30 | sjansen | boot sectors are easy to recreate |
| 22:11.36 | sjansen | might want to use sfdisk instead |
| 22:11.57 | sjansen | sfdisk /dev/hda -O parition-table.save |
| 22:11.59 | goozbach | sjansen: 'easy' no |
| 22:12.06 | goozbach | possible, yes |
| 22:12.07 | xbmodder-screen | Oh, crud |
| 22:12.17 | goozbach | most wouldn't know how to go about it. |
| 22:12.20 | xbmodder-screen | FATAL ERROR: Cannot read disk drive |
| 22:12.32 | goozbach | HA! |
| 22:12.40 | xbmodder-screen | unable to read /dev/hda |
| 22:12.41 | xbmodder-screen | :( |
| 22:12.50 | sjansen | goozbach: perhaps I am losing touch, but it really isn't hard |
| 22:13.12 | vontrapp | what can't read it? |
| 22:13.20 | xbmodder-screen | knoppix |
| 22:13.28 | vontrapp | what program |
| 22:13.42 | vontrapp | you're NOT going to be able to mount it |
| 22:13.53 | xbmodder-screen | fdisk |
| 22:14.26 | vontrapp | that's odd that fdisk wouldn't read it |
| 22:15.46 | goozbach | no partition table no fdisk |
| 22:16.08 | goozbach | you may have to clear it out using sfdisk |
| 22:16.15 | xbmodder-screen | goozbach: fdisk restores it |
| 22:16.36 | goozbach | or use the switch for fdisk to create a new table |
| 22:17.33 | xbmodder-screen | whichis? |
| 22:20.36 | vontrapp | xbmodder-screen: did you try parted? |
| 22:22.15 | goozbach | xbmodder-screen: rtfm |
| 22:22.33 | xbmodder-screen | goozbach: i read teh man page |
| 22:22.39 | xbmodder-screen | vontrapp: I am parteding right now |
| 22:23.22 | vontrapp | goozbach: i didn't see a switch for fdisk to create new either |
| 22:24.38 | xbmodder-screen | linux thinks /dev/hda is 0 bytes |
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| 22:29.05 | goozbach | sfdisk |
| 22:30.07 | xbmodder-screen | ? |
| 22:30.36 | goozbach | man sfdisk |
| 22:31.52 | xbmodder-screen | ok |
| 22:32.13 | goozbach | there's also the command under fdisk |
| 22:32.36 | xbmodder-screen | yeah |
| 22:32.42 | xbmodder-screen | but not a command line switch |
| 22:33.03 | goozbach | my bad |
| 22:33.27 | xbmodder-screen | does RHEL4 supportWLAN |
| 22:35.45 | sjansen | Bad Derek! Bad, bad derek! |
| 22:35.51 | xbmodder-screen | lol |
| 22:42.11 | vontrapp | Do you ever think that maybe there's more to life than being really really really really rediculously good looking? |
| 22:42.31 | goozbach | vontrapp: I did once |
| 22:42.44 | vontrapp | Like.... helping people |
| 22:42.56 | goozbach | right after my friends died in a freak gasoline-fight accident |
| 22:43.47 | vontrapp | Bet you didn't think i'd be a good eugoogelizer |
| 22:45.51 | goozbach | is there a make command to list avalible targets? |
| 22:46.41 | sjansen | there is for rake |
| 22:46.48 | sjansen | not aware of one for make |
| 22:50.32 | Maquis | goozbach: tab... :) |
| 22:50.45 | Maquis | it works on my computer usually |
| 22:51.22 | Maquis | i'm not sure why, though :) |
| 22:52.14 | Maquis | i've got highlighting on 2 other open files with the same extension, and i didn't have to do anything to get that... |
| 22:53.02 | vontrapp | set ft=<type> |
| 22:53.07 | vontrapp | er, :set ft=<type> |
| 22:53.38 | goozbach | ohh bash completion |
| 22:54.13 | xbmodder-screen | lets see |
| 22:54.19 | xbmodder-screen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:00.55 | Maquis | vontrapp: thanks |
| 23:01.14 | Maquis | goozbach: dunno if bash does it... zsh seems to do it, though :) |
| 23:01.20 | vontrapp | if vim continues to not recognize it you could add a comment |
| 23:01.26 | vontrapp | # vim:ft=<type> |
| 23:01.28 | Maquis | vontrapp: it worked... thanks :) |
| 23:01.40 | vontrapp | change # to appropriate comment thingy |
| 23:01.46 | *** part/#utah Newsome (~sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu) |
| 23:01.51 | Maquis | i'm still slightly puzzled as to why it worked fine for the other files, though... |
| 23:01.54 | vontrapp | Maquis: i mean if when you load it again, it doesn't guess right |
| 23:02.21 | *** part/#utah RyanE (~rerickson@rberick.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 23:04.32 | xbmodder-screen | two partitions down |
| 23:04.37 | xbmodder-screen | one partition to go |
| 23:05.41 | xbmodder-screen | FUCK YA! |
| 23:05.59 | *** kick/#utah [xbmodder-screen!~Jayce_@pollux.northsky.com] by Jayce^ (Jayce^) |
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| 23:06.11 | xbmodder-screen | gotta stop doing that |
| 23:06.13 | xbmodder-screen | :( |
| 23:06.16 | Jayce^ | yes |
| 23:06.57 | goozbach | very yes |
| 23:07.41 | xbmodder-screen | goozbach: for the RHCE do you guys reinstall the server before? |
| 23:07.46 | xbmodder-screen | the test |
| 23:08.39 | sjansen | xbmodder-screen: careful or Jayce^ will discover /kickban |
| 23:09.09 | xbmodder-screen | ok |
| 23:09.39 | goozbach | xbmodder-screen: the test is setup before it is adminsitered, that's all you need to know |
| 23:10.05 | xbmodder-screen | aw. |
| 23:10.10 | Jayce^ | already discovered, I've just been in a good mood today |
| 23:11.59 | Maquis | goozbach: do different people in the same test sitting get different tests? ie, does person A have a different list of tasks from person B? |
| 23:12.10 | goozbach | as a Red Hat Certified eXaminer (RHCX) I'm constrained by contract not to discuss details of the exam. |
| 23:12.15 | sjansen | All we can say is what RH posts on their Web site. |
| 23:12.29 | Maquis | is that not on the website? |
| 23:12.58 | sjansen | Read The Useful Manual |
| 23:14.47 | Maquis | yeah.. yeah... yeah... |
| 23:17.07 | sjansen | http://community.middlebury.edu/~jlagman/mike_and_jarvis.htm |
| 23:19.39 | levi | Heh. |
| 23:19.44 | levi | For shame, sjansen. |
| 23:20.22 | Jayce^ | hunh? |
| 23:20.29 | Jayce^ | it went out earlier today |
| 23:20.39 | sjansen | I'm talking about the UVLUG Web site. |
| 23:20.51 | Jayce^ | ah |
| 23:20.52 | xbmodder-screen | goozbach: how do you get invited? |
| 23:35.27 | xbmodder-screen | ok guys my server is gunna go down |
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| 23:47.09 | xbmodder-screen | back@ |
