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| 00:37.44 | Maquis | Hhhhh: hi |
| 00:58.06 | Maquis | GvzEvxre: what's LinkedIn? |
| 01:07.50 | GvzEvxre | ~linkedin |
| 01:07.50 | ibot | well, linkedin is a business contact community type site http://www.LinkedIn.com/ |
| 01:08.06 | Maquis | ah... |
| 01:08.08 | GvzEvxre | ibot knows all |
| 01:08.08 | ibot | and don't you forget it |
| 01:08.16 | Maquis | roflol |
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| 02:31.26 | Newsome | Okay, that's odd - "You currently have 1 connection, with 2 new connections this week" :) |
| 02:31.38 | TimRiker | =) |
| 02:36.40 | Maquis | so... is it kinda like orkut... just for business contacts? |
| 02:42.29 | Newsome | seems that way |
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| 02:50.34 | Newsome | Maquis: Of course, on both linkedin and orkut, people like Tim know gazillions of people, while nobody has a clue who I am :) |
| 02:51.15 | Maquis | Newsome: i was actually referring more to the idea behind the system... but i understand your comment as well... |
| 02:51.35 | Maquis | if it helps anything, in the cs dept, people know you (and a good number of them are scared of you) :) |
| 02:51.53 | Newsome | scared of me? heh. :) |
| 02:52.22 | Maquis | well... more scared of what you'll do if they cross any lines |
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| 02:53.40 | levi | Yo. |
| 02:53.47 | Maquis | sup? |
| 02:54.23 | levi | I just ate a ton of homemade ciabatta bread w/olive oil and balsalmic vinegar. |
| 02:54.37 | levi | I am a happy camper. :) |
| 02:54.50 | levi | Now I need to actually work on this silly Java assignment. |
| 02:55.28 | mheath | what kind of assignment? |
| 02:56.50 | levi | It's basically just writing a simple Swing GUI. |
| 02:57.06 | levi | I have pretty much no desire to learn Swing. |
| 02:57.16 | mheath | Its OK. |
| 02:57.25 | mheath | I dislike it, though, in favor of other things |
| 02:57.43 | levi | It doesn't look too bad, as far as toolkits go, but I have no use for it. |
| 02:58.06 | levi | Well, I'll be doing this too, but hopefully only this once. :) |
| 02:58.23 | levi | Though, I suppose if I get desperate in the future, I can claim to be a Java programmer. |
| 02:59.44 | mheath | haha |
| 03:00.03 | Maquis | any idea why a variable that is successfully being passed from servlet to jsp to servlet would suddenly disappear at about the 4th or 5th step? |
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| 03:10.11 | xbmodder_lappy | hey all! |
| 03:12.12 | levi | It's amazing how yummy bread that's made just from flour, water, yeast, and salt can be. |
| 03:12.29 | Maquis | ~kick levi |
| 03:12.29 | ibot | bugger off sod! |
| 03:14.16 | synic | what is Utah state sales tax currently? |
| 03:14.23 | synic | 6.25% ? |
| 03:20.06 | xbmodder_lappy | lucky! |
| 03:20.10 | xbmodder_lappy | rm -rf utah |
| 03:20.31 | mheath | synic: sales tax is by city, not state |
| 03:20.39 | mheath | Which is one of the biggest problems with this state |
| 03:20.52 | mheath | But yeah, it tends to average around 6.25% |
| 03:21.38 | xbmodder_lappy | but then they tax everything else |
| 03:21.48 | xbmodder_lappy | we have 8.25% sales tax |
| 03:21.51 | xbmodder_lappy | + income tax |
| 03:22.03 | xbmodder_lappy | + hella expensive real estate |
| 03:22.14 | Maquis | yeah... washington's just expensive |
| 03:22.20 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: + jobs that pay more ;) |
| 03:22.31 | Maquis | utah has nice cheap groceries and stuff |
| 03:22.37 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 03:22.45 | mheath | Utah really needs to do sales tax the way they used to do it |
| 03:22.51 | xbmodder_lappy | how much does a cat fish cost per pound? |
| 03:22.51 | mheath | Back in the day, they had a state wide sales tax |
| 03:22.56 | Maquis | ah... |
| 03:22.59 | mheath | and money would be distributed to cities based on population |
| 03:23.09 | mheath | Now days, sales tax earned in a city stays in that city |
| 03:23.16 | mheath | Which is bad for residential cities |
| 03:23.31 | mheath | I live in Washington Terrace City which is an almost-entirely-residential suburb of ogden |
| 03:23.47 | mheath | They have almost no money, because they have almost no businesses. |
| 03:24.08 | mheath | Whereas a neighboring city, Riverdale, has tons of money because dozens of stores are located there. |
| 03:24.16 | xbmodder_lappy | no matter how much taxes we get we are still in a deficit |
| 03:24.30 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: thats federal. |
| 03:25.25 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: and the president before this one, as well as the president before his dad, were able to get us at least temporarily out of debt |
| 03:25.50 | Maquis | they spend their money on stupid things that they pay more for than they need to spend |
| 03:25.52 | xbmodder_lappy | yeAH, BUt they were democrats |
| 03:26.15 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: ..... |
| 03:26.35 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, i am a democrat... |
| 03:26.44 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: why? :) |
| 03:27.10 | xbmodder_lappy | because I don't like bush/da monkey |
| 03:27.33 | mheath | Republicanism is not the same as Bushism. |
| 03:27.42 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 03:27.55 | mheath | Whats funny about that? |
| 03:28.16 | xbmodder_lappy | it is |
| 03:29.15 | mheath | It's the same? |
| 03:29.45 | xbmodder_lappy | no |
| 03:30.17 | Maquis | ~lart peole discussing politics |
| 03:30.26 | Maquis | ~lart people discussing politics |
| 03:30.36 | mheath | Then why is a dislike of George W. Bush a viable reason for not being republican? :) |
| 03:31.43 | mheath | Maquis: haha, I just get a kick out of discussing politics with a 14 year old. I find political naivity humorous. |
| 03:32.02 | JoshH | how old are you mheath? |
| 03:32.11 | Maquis | mheath is about a year older than xb |
| 03:32.14 | JoshH | lol |
| 03:32.19 | JoshH | thats what i thought |
| 03:32.52 | Supaplex | JoshH: sup stranger. ;) |
| 03:32.58 | JoshH | hey man. :) |
| 03:33.05 | mheath | Maquis: 2 years :) |
| 03:33.10 | Maquis | mheath: if you want to see political naivity, go to a school where 99.9% of the students and all of the teachers have the same political views... |
| 03:33.29 | Maquis | my high school was that way more distinctly than even byu was |
| 03:33.30 | JoshH | Maquis: you mean like any school in utah? |
| 03:33.38 | Supaplex | JoshH: turns out the b132l workstation has a known defect. :( pci bus is crippled because of it. |
| 03:33.41 | Maquis | my best friend and i were the only ones on the opposite side... |
| 03:33.43 | mheath | Maquis: haha, you should come to my highschool |
| 03:33.54 | Maquis | now i'm at one that's almost as completely bent in the opposite direction |
| 03:33.55 | JoshH | Supaplex: which one is that? |
| 03:33.57 | mheath | I used to get into some humerous arguments with some people in a history class of mine |
| 03:33.58 | Maquis | and it's really frustrating |
| 03:34.18 | mheath | Bet you've never seen a black, lower-class American talk about how great the republican party is. |
| 03:34.46 | Maquis | nope |
| 03:34.54 | JoshH | i cant say i have either |
| 03:34.59 | Maquis | but it would be interesting to at least see what their reasoning was behind it |
| 03:35.17 | mheath | Maquis: thats just the thing, they lack reasoning |
| 03:35.30 | Maquis | then it's no worse than what i've seen... |
| 03:35.38 | mheath | Or their reasoning is "They nuked those Iraqi mother *******" |
| 03:35.56 | mheath | I actually had someone say that to me. |
| 03:35.59 | mheath | Its sickening. |
| 03:36.07 | levi | You're talking to high schoolers. |
| 03:36.20 | levi | Not that post-high schoolers are a lot better. |
| 03:36.23 | JoshH | most people in utah are idiots when it comes to politics, or we wouldnt have politicians like chris buttars at the capitol |
| 03:36.37 | mheath | One of my teachers hates Bush primarily because of Karl Rove |
| 03:36.42 | JoshH | and we wouldnt have to worry about gayle ruzicka and the eagle forum |
| 03:36.49 | mheath | Karl Rove stole the guys girlfriend from him when he was in highschool :D |
| 03:37.15 | mheath | Karl Rove is brilliant. I hate the guy, but he's brilliant. |
| 03:37.20 | levi | Heh. That fits what you hear about Karl Rove. |
| 03:37.38 | mheath | He's the only guy who could get away with the stuff he does, and still be in good political standing |
| 03:38.05 | mheath | Its amazing how much of a puppeteer he manages to be while staying in the background |
| 03:38.10 | mheath | You don't hear much about him |
| 03:38.12 | JoshH | i really wanted bush to win back in 2000, not only because i hated al gore but because i thought he would be a wonderful president. these days i don't trust almost anyone in his administration. |
| 03:39.06 | levi | Well, apparently he's believed to be the guy who leaked the CIA operative's identity back a few years ago. |
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| 03:39.14 | JoshH | i dont doubt that he is for a second |
| 03:39.28 | JoshH | maybe he didnt do it, but i definitely wouldnt put it past him |
| 03:39.39 | JoshH | if he does turn out to be the one, i hope he goes to prison for a long time. |
| 03:39.46 | levi | If that accusation sticks, it could be bad news for him. |
| 03:40.04 | JoshH | its gotta be someone high up in the administration who did it |
| 03:40.26 | JoshH | and bush certainly isnt trying too hard to investigate |
| 03:41.00 | levi | Heh, of course not. |
| 03:41.19 | levi | There are a lot of things he doesn't try very hard to investigate. |
| 03:41.52 | JoshH | basically, the bush administration has just as many scandals if not more than the clinton administration did, but since republicans dominate right now, he is completley getting away with it. |
| 03:42.20 | JoshH | i guess its too much to just wish for honesty and integrity in politicians. |
| 03:45.45 | levi | All the compromising and deals that go on in politics must degrade moral sense. |
| 03:46.04 | levi | Or maybe they just learn to doublethink. |
| 03:46.37 | levi | Things they normally wouldn't consider become acceptable in a political context, because that's what politicians do. |
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| 04:23.50 | xbmodder_lappy | ah, fsck++ |
| 04:24.31 | xbmodder_lappy | heh |
| 04:24.54 | xbmodder_lappy | /usr/bin/firefox-bin: can't find the browser :-( |
| 04:26.24 | mheath | Hahahaha, I just stumbled on a website that tries to get you to download the ActiveX plugin for Mozilla/Firefox |
| 04:34.45 | xbmodder_lappy | this is bad.... |
| 04:35.02 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: what's bad? |
| 04:35.16 | xbmodder_lappy | i think mozilla is screwed |
| 04:35.21 | xbmodder_lappy | badly. |
| 04:35.32 | Maquis | happens to me somewhat regularly |
| 04:35.55 | xbmodder_lappy | but on my own site |
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| 04:37.52 | xbmodder_lappy | Maquis, can you test something for me? |
| 04:39.02 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: what do you want me to test? |
| 04:39.50 | xbmodder_lappy | go to xbmodder.us; register; and the box on the bottom left hand side with all the ugly tags right click and hit view info |
| 04:39.54 | xbmodder_lappy | tell me if you can |
| 04:40.10 | xbmodder_lappy | disclaimer: if this screws up your box; not my fault. |
| 04:40.44 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 04:41.51 | Maquis | click on which box? |
| 04:41.59 | xbmodder_lappy | are you logged in? |
| 04:42.04 | Maquis | not yet |
| 04:42.21 | xbmodder_lappy | login |
| 04:42.25 | Maquis | i've been deactivate or not yet activated |
| 04:42.57 | xbmodder_lappy | oh |
| 04:45.45 | xbmodder_lappy | are you asdf? |
| 04:45.50 | Maquis | yup |
| 04:46.34 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah, your supposed to put the right email address in |
| 04:49.15 | xbmodder_lappy | so you can see the confirmation email |
| 04:49.26 | Maquis | can you just make me authorized? |
| 04:49.45 | xbmodder_lappy | nope |
| 04:49.57 | xbmodder_lappy | it uses a stupid multi-db authorization system |
| 04:50.07 | xbmodder_lappy | hash table |
| 04:50.13 | xbmodder_lappy | and MySQL db |
| 04:52.26 | Maquis | not getting a confirmation email |
| 04:55.36 | Maquis | still not getting a confirmation email |
| 04:55.57 | Maquis | and ummm... that banner add on your site is rather disturbing |
| 04:56.04 | Maquis | i think it's flashing at about 60 hz |
| 05:15.41 | tensai | Maquis: that's what adblock is for |
| 05:39.54 | levi | Anyone solve the puzzle in today's Foxtrot? |
| 05:44.47 | Maquis | tensai: yeah |
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| 06:11.04 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 06:22.48 | levi | Hello. |
| 06:24.06 | mheath | How are you fighting with it? :D |
| 06:30.12 | levi | I want to include some .class files provided by the teacher in my project. |
| 06:30.40 | mheath | thats easy |
| 06:30.44 | mheath | Had to do that every day |
| 06:30.59 | mheath | Because our computers at school don't save any local settings.. |
| 06:32.27 | levi | So, how did you do it? |
| 06:33.05 | mheath | bah, thats one of those things I can't really explain unless I'm sitting infront of an eclipse screen |
| 06:33.06 | mheath | one sec |
| 06:34.34 | mheath | are you starting a new project or adding the stuff to existing code? |
| 06:35.04 | levi | Starting a new project now, since I thorougly screwed up the last one while playing around with different options. |
| 06:35.28 | mheath | oh, bah, its late and I misread something |
| 06:35.34 | mheath | you want to add .class files? |
| 06:35.41 | levi | Yes. No source. |
| 06:36.37 | mheath | In the project settings dialog |
| 06:36.45 | mheath | The one with the Source, Projects, Libraries, and Order and Export tabs |
| 06:36.53 | levi | Right. |
| 06:37.04 | levi | That's where I was playing around with things. |
| 06:37.05 | mheath | Go to Libraries |
| 06:37.13 | levi | Yup. |
| 06:37.21 | mheath | And click on "Add Class Folder" |
| 06:37.44 | mheath | add whatever you need |
| 06:37.52 | levi | That's what I was doing. It didn't seem to be doing anything. |
| 06:38.17 | mheath | I've never tried it iwth .class's, only .jar's... |
| 06:38.28 | mheath | This way, that is |
| 06:38.38 | mheath | Nothing shows up in the Libraries list? |
| 06:38.41 | levi | I get a dialog that's got all the projects I've defined so far, with the option to create a new folder. |
| 06:38.55 | mheath | Try "Add Library"? |
| 06:39.03 | levi | That's something even weirder. |
| 06:39.13 | mheath | hmm |
| 06:39.22 | levi | Apparently Eclipse has some concept of a Library that is more than just .class files. |
| 06:39.28 | mheath | seeing how they're .class's, can't you just import them? |
| 06:39.35 | mheath | into your project |
| 06:39.46 | levi | You'd think so. |
| 06:39.55 | levi | Eclipse doesn't seem to want to do that. |
| 06:40.18 | mheath | http://kb.csdn.net/Articles/200506/c4391f69-8eed-4696-94b4-431c646d380c.html |
| 06:40.22 | levi | I tried sticking them where the rest of my Eclipse-generated .class files are, but it never recognized them. |
| 06:40.32 | mheath | Does that help, possibly? |
| 06:41.12 | levi | Nope. |
| 06:41.39 | levi | I'd have to make a jar or something for that to work, I think. |
| 06:41.54 | levi | I want these .class files to end up inside my project's jar. |
| 06:42.09 | mheath | What happens if you just right click on the project and select "Import" |
| 06:44.13 | mheath | ? |
| 06:45.11 | Hhhhh | hey guys |
| 06:45.17 | Hhhhh | in eclipse you can't add .class files |
| 06:45.23 | Hhhhh | (at least in version 2.1) |
| 06:45.31 | Hhhhh | you have to jar it up and then add the jar |
| 06:46.07 | mheath | Ah. I knew that I could add .Jars, since I've done that before....I just figured adding .class's would be similar :D |
| 06:46.16 | Hhhhh | oddly, it isn't |
| 06:46.28 | Hhhhh | I would assume they'd let you add .class files |
| 06:46.36 | mheath | I've never had a need to add a .class. Never had to copy from somewhere where I didn't have a .jar or source |
| 06:46.39 | Hhhhh | but you have to jar them up first |
| 06:47.10 | Hhhhh | at Novell we ran into this problem (Novell made Eclipse the official platform for intranet programming) |
| 06:47.55 | Hhhhh | that was last year, we were using Eclipse 2.1, I haven't used Eclipse (or Java) this year |
| 06:48.13 | Hhhhh | so, if things haven't changed, you'll have to jar the .class files in order to add them |
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| 06:51.35 | levi | Grrrr. |
| 06:51.40 | levi | Stupid program. |
| 06:52.12 | levi | Well, I guess I'll jar them up to make Eclipse happy, then do things manually later. |
| 06:55.09 | Hhhhh | Eclipse is very nice, one of the best IDEs I've tried. This is pretty much the only "ugh" I've found so far |
| 06:59.21 | Hhhhh | I think Eclipse with the C++ plugin are the best C++ IDE for linux |
| 06:59.29 | Hhhhh | I like it better than kdevelop or anjuta |
| 07:00.40 | levi | Well, I generally dislike the way it creates its own little world of folders and files and such. |
| 07:01.04 | levi | But I guess that's how most IDEs are. |
| 07:02.01 | levi | Anyway, I got a jar of the .classes in my project, but it's still not wanting to let me use them. |
| 07:02.37 | levi | I just use emacs for my C coding. |
| 07:02.49 | Hhhhh | levi: Eclipse is probably the one that makes the least amount of files and folders |
| 07:03.07 | Hhhhh | projects in Anjuta or kdevelop are brutal |
| 07:03.14 | Hhhhh | but eclipse makes 4 files |
| 07:03.26 | Hhhhh | and most of the are hidden |
| 07:04.06 | levi | See, what I don't like is how it hides things. It hides eclipse stuff in the filesystem, and hides the filesystem from you in eclipse. |
| 07:08.09 | levi | Any ideas how to get it to recognize a .class in a jar in my project? |
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| 07:16.47 | levi | mheath: Did you get my latest question? |
| 07:17.16 | mheath | levi: nope |
| 07:18.28 | levi | I put all the .class files I need to import in a .jar and added it to my project. It now shows up in the Package Explorer, and the .class files are there, but it still complains about my references to them in my other code. |
| 07:19.34 | levi | Do they have to be in a package I can import? I dunno how I could add them to one, seeing as I don't have source for them. |
| 07:20.29 | levi | I'm about ready to ditch the damn thing and just use emacs. This is a huge waste of time. |
| 07:36.37 | Hhhhh | levi: emacs won't tell you of errors as you type |
| 07:37.10 | levi | Hhhhh: Yeah, but at least it won't get in my way. |
| 07:37.28 | levi | Hhhhh: Perhaps you have some insight into my problem? |
| 07:54.17 | levi | Bah. |
| 07:57.50 | Hhhhh | levi: complains about references? i don't understand |
| 07:58.19 | Hhhhh | hmm, I think you need to add it as a jar file |
| 07:58.23 | Hhhhh | one sec |
| 08:00.13 | Hhhhh | on the settings for the project go to Libraries, click on the Add JAR button and then select your jar file |
| 08:00.15 | Hhhhh | that should do it |
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| 08:20.11 | Hhhhh | OMG this is the ulimate patent abuse => http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/04/business/04stealth.html |
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| 14:59.51 | mheath | argh, I'm going to get fired before I even start my new job :( |
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| 15:03.25 | mheath | I don't think they'll take too kindly to me asking for two weeks off on my first day. |
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| 15:27.32 | Maquis | mheath: why? |
| 15:35.10 | mheath | Maquis: I'm part of a youth organizaton known as the US Naval Sea Cadet Corp, part of the US Navy. I'm going to be at Fort Hunter-Ligget in California for 'Recruit Training' during the first two weeks of August. It's not like I'm vacationing |
| 15:35.28 | mheath | Unless running, situps, pushups, and getting yelled as is your idea of a vacation. |
| 15:36.02 | Maquis | mheath: explain that to your employer... if you explain what you're doing, they will probably be more understanding than if you jsut said "i need 2 weeks off" |
| 15:36.21 | mheath | I tried to tell them about it at the interview... |
| 15:36.39 | mheath | but I got all nervous and forgetful, and there was never really an opportunity to mention it |
| 15:36.53 | Maquis | interviews suck |
| 15:37.15 | mheath | Indeed they do. |
| 15:37.53 | mheath | I'm not looking forward to that thing in August..... |
| 15:38.22 | Maquis | where are you going to start working? |
| 15:38.33 | mheath | I'm only doing this thing because I plan on joining the US Navy next summer, and doing this will give me a two year advantage in advancement over other people |
| 15:38.44 | mheath | Maquis: Wednesday is my first day |
| 15:38.50 | Maquis | mheath: yeah... were? |
| 15:38.53 | Maquis | where? |
| 15:39.16 | mheath | oh, sorry, I misread that. I've got a job at Applebees (I know that sounds bad...remember I'm 16.) |
| 15:39.34 | Maquis | at 16, that's not bad at all |
| 15:39.51 | Maquis | i have plenty of friends who are 21 and doing jobs like that |
| 15:40.06 | mheath | well, if you're a *server* there its not a bad job to have at 21 |
| 15:40.15 | mheath | Their servers make a ton of money |
| 15:40.52 | mheath | Unfortunately I can't get a job as a server there, because the state of Utah seems to thing that underage servers are going to drink any alcoholic beverages they may serve. |
| 15:41.02 | Maquis | :) |
| 15:41.21 | harleypig | Din't you know? Just touching that foul liquid will corrupt your soul. |
| 15:41.31 | harleypig | Or even the container it's served in. |
| 15:41.35 | harleypig | *hic* |
| 15:41.37 | Maquis | harleypig: sup? |
| 15:41.58 | harleypig | Not much ... trying to get this stoopid export app working instead of sleeping. |
| 15:42.22 | harleypig | And avoiding it by reading #utah, #gentoo and some forums. |
| 15:42.33 | Maquis | nice |
| 15:42.39 | Maquis | i haven't seen you in forever.. :) |
| 15:43.01 | mheath | hahaha, I should wear my uniform for the 4th :) |
| 15:44.38 | harleypig | Bean sweating this buyout ... trying to fix all the glaring bugs and inadequacies (sp? too tired to look it up) so this company will buy our company out and give us money. |
| 15:46.16 | Maquis | mheath: go for it |
| 15:46.33 | Maquis | harleypig: ah... what companies? |
| 15:46.43 | Maquis | (or can you not say? |
| 15:46.44 | Maquis | ) |
| 15:47.29 | harleypig | :/ Can't say until they sign. My company is SmoothSellin on eBay. |
| 15:48.00 | Maquis | cool! |
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| 17:03.20 | levi | Any eclipse users awake? |
| 17:14.43 | Maquis | levi: what's so great about eclipse? all my coworkers use it, but i don't really see what it has as an advantage over gvim |
| 17:16.57 | levi | Maquis: Well, it does a great job of catching syntax errors as you're typing, and it does identifier completion and refactoring and stuff. |
| 17:19.10 | Maquis | it's really ugly if you're too lazy to install gtk2 |
| 17:20.30 | Maquis | `pick-on emcnabb |
| 17:20.38 | Maquis | ~pick-on emcnabb |
| 17:22.20 | Maquis | ~mock emcnabb |
| 17:22.20 | ibot | ACTION pulls emcnabb's pants down and shows the world emcnabb's pink spotted underwear |
| 17:22.41 | levi | Maquis: Most things are ugly without gtk2 or the latest qt. |
| 17:22.53 | levi | Maquis: So... don't be lazy. :) |
| 17:22.54 | Maquis | levi: gvim isn't |
| 17:22.59 | levi | That's not a hard thing to fix. |
| 17:23.16 | Maquis | levi: apt-get doesn't work, it's a pain to install just about anything on rh7.2 |
| 17:23.25 | Maquis | and i'm supposed to be working on productive things |
| 17:23.27 | levi | 7.2?! Ack. |
| 17:23.37 | levi | Well, nevermind then. |
| 17:24.04 | Maquis | they're slowly migrating to rhel3 |
| 17:27.48 | levi | 7.2 is ancient. |
| 17:28.05 | levi | And a piece of crap to boot. |
| 17:28.22 | Maquis | it runs evilwm quite nicely, though :) |
| 17:32.54 | JoshH | gvim is hideous without gtk2 |
| 17:33.24 | Maquis | JoshH: well... i use it without a toolbar or menus... so, it really looks exactly the same as how it does on my computer |
| 17:33.53 | Maquis | pretty much, it's a big black box with a yellow line around it, that has text on it |
| 17:34.05 | JoshH | heh, i have the menus and toolbar, but i never use them |
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| 17:34.13 | JoshH | they do look nice though, with gtk2. :) |
| 17:35.36 | levi | I turn off the toolbar in the gui emacs. |
| 17:36.47 | levi | I don't use gvim. |
| 17:37.05 | levi | Mostly I use vim for system administration and quick editing of files, since emacs takes ages to start still. |
| 17:39.21 | JoshH | i just learned vim first and never bothered to learn emacs |
| 17:46.53 | levi | I learned emacs first, then vi, then vim. I switched to vi because my computer was too wimpy to start emacs in a timely manner. I switched back to using emacs when I started doing some lisp hacking. |
| 18:40.33 | colera | that's really funny |
| 18:40.37 | colera | lol |
| 18:40.38 | colera | haha |
| 18:41.03 | colera | wow i really got a kick out of that "IRC: Where men are men, women |
| 18:41.03 | colera | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.09 | colera | haha |
| 18:41.18 | colera | so true |
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| 18:54.28 | levi | colera: Welcome to the internet. Enjoy your stay. ;) |
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| 19:30.58 | scott | do any of the sites for buying legal mp3s work in linux? I'd rather not have to use itunes under wine and convert their files to mp3 etc |
| 19:31.26 | misterpull | do you believe allofmp3.com is legal? |
| 19:33.44 | misterpull | I think emusic.com is legit and DRM free |
| 19:34.02 | misterpull | but has a limited catalog |
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| 19:34.42 | levi | emusic.com is indeed legit and DRM free. |
| 19:35.11 | levi | But unless you have a taste for independant music, you're going to run out of music to download there pretty quick. |
| 19:35.32 | misterpull | seems like they have decent jazz & blues selections too |
| 19:35.40 | misterpull | but it's been a couple years since I looked there |
| 19:36.55 | levi | They actually have a large catalog, it's just a lot of stuff that's away from the mainstream. |
| 19:40.14 | scott | yeah, I used to be a subscriber there |
| 19:43.46 | levi | allofmp3.com seems pretty slick, if not entirely legal here. :) |
| 19:44.13 | levi | $0.02 per megabyte, in whatever format and bitrate you want. |
| 19:45.21 | scott | yeah, looks cool, but can I trust them w/ my credit card? |
| 19:45.42 | levi | I think you can use other online payment services. |
| 19:51.04 | misterpull | i tried allofmp3 |
| 19:51.09 | misterpull | and used my card |
| 19:51.40 | misterpull | i'm not entirely convinced they are legal, but it was stuff I probably would have "sampled" elsewhere/otherwise |
| 19:52.28 | scott | do they claim to be legal? |
| 19:52.52 | scott | I doubt for 90 cents they could be, I thought itunes gives 90% of what they charge to the record companies |
| 19:52.59 | scott | s/90/10 |
| 19:53.18 | scott | I mean, 10 cents |
| 19:53.40 | misterpull | scott: they are in russia and claim it is ok to redistribute the music by their local law |
| 19:53.50 | scott | ahh |
| 19:56.38 | misterpull | google allofmp3 legal and you'll see thousands of links |
| 19:56.58 | misterpull | most flip/flop on its legality |
| 20:13.11 | scott | nice, allofmp3.com allows you to stream the entire album (not just 30 minutes of each song) |
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| 21:21.04 | Maquis | ~lart goo |
| 21:52.45 | tensai | ~lart Maquis |
| 22:03.16 | Maquis | ~lart tensai |
| 22:14.33 | levi | ~lart Maquis |
| 22:14.54 | Maquis | ~lart levi |
| 22:15.02 | Maquis | hehehe |
| 22:15.26 | levi | Heh. |
| 22:15.36 | levi | I wouldn't mind taking a nap right now. |
| 22:15.44 | levi | But not quite that long. |
| 22:15.50 | tene | double of "free"? |
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| 22:32.18 | lars-ut | ~emulate gir |
| 22:32.18 | ibot | aww, my bees... |
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| 22:38.17 | xbmodder-treo | does anyone here need nameservers |
| 22:38.24 | xbmodder-treo | I have two available. |
| 22:38.42 | xbmodder-treo | I can setup dynamic updating |
| 22:39.28 | xbmodder-treo | do I need to come/live in utah to join your LUG. |
| 22:39.42 | xbmodder-treo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.27 | jsmith | xbmodder-screen: I don't need any, but thanks for the offer. |
| 22:43.44 | jsmith | xbmodder-screen: No, you don't have to live here to join the LUGs. |
| 22:44.24 | xbmodder-treo | its treo |
| 22:44.33 | xbmodder-treo | oh. |
| 22:44.37 | xbmodder-treo | cool. |
| 22:44.39 | tene | both in the chan |
| 22:44.56 | xbmodder-treo | yeah |
| 22:45.10 | xbmodder-treo | I have a limit of three |
| 22:45.26 | xbmodder-treo | I usedto connect over ssh |
| 22:45.51 | xbmodder-treo | who else owns a treo here. |
| 22:45.58 | xbmodder-treo | they need real time IM |
| 22:46.05 | xbmodder-treo | for real people |
| 22:46.13 | tene | I really need to put you on /ignore someday |
| 22:46.25 | jsmith | Me? |
| 22:46.30 | xbmodder-treo | like AIM,MSN, etc... |
| 22:46.33 | xbmodder-treo | I use upirc. |
| 22:46.38 | xbmodder-treo | jsmith, no me.. |
| 22:46.43 | jsmith | Oh. |
| 22:46.48 | xbmodder-treo | upirc for aim |
| 22:47.01 | tene | no, jsmith, not you |
| 22:47.15 | tene | obviously not you, you're not annoying |
| 22:47.30 | xbmodder-treo | heh |
| 22:47.40 | xbmodder-treo | am I that bad? |
| 22:47.50 | tene | usually not, but sometimes |
| 22:53.16 | mheath | I love the irony of xbmodder chatting realtime on here, on his treo, complaining about how treo's don't have realtime chatting. |
| 22:53.44 | tene | heh |
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| 23:00.42 | Maquis | ~lart jakea |
| 23:03.01 | levi | ~lart Java |
| 23:04.27 | mheath | Todays been horrible..... |
| 23:06.55 | jakea | sorry Maquis, for whatever I did |
| 23:17.51 | Maquis | :) |
| 23:18.02 | Maquis | mheath: what's made it so horrible? |
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