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| 00:44.48 | xbmodder-treo | hey |
| 00:44.56 | xbmodder-treo | goozbach is working. |
| 00:44.59 | xbmodder-treo | hard |
| 00:45.13 | xbmodder-treo | I hope my system is ok |
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| 00:45.43 | xbmodder-treo | someone do some voodoo on goozbach and make him give me a 100 percent |
| 00:46.24 | xbmodder-treo | ~slashdot |
| 00:48.42 | xbmodder-treo | later. |
| 00:49.02 | xbmodder-treo | if someone says something email: |
| 00:51.16 | xbmodder-treo | 9252097312@messaging.sprintpcs.com |
| 00:51.19 | xbmodder-treo | foo |
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| 01:47.40 | xbmodder-treo | did someone send me an email? |
| 01:48.01 | JoshH | i signed you up for some spam |
| 01:48.09 | xbmodder-treo | I got like a spanish message about a refrigerator? |
| 01:48.32 | xbmodder-treo | goozbach: are you out of SJC? |
| 01:48.53 | xbmodder-treo | joshH: your going to die! |
| 01:49.01 | xbmodder-treo | just kidding |
| 01:49.05 | JoshH | me too |
| 01:49.09 | xbmodder-treo | not a threat |
| 01:49.20 | xbmodder-treo | I just took the RHCE test |
| 01:49.27 | xbmodder-treo | I am loosing it. |
| 01:49.44 | JoshH | you need to tighten it |
| 01:50.16 | xbmodder-treo | I though the radio said 'is there not enough detergent in your gasoline' |
| 01:50.37 | JoshH | i think thats a chevron ad |
| 01:50.48 | xbmodder-treo | joshH huh? |
| 01:50.52 | xbmodder-treo | huh? |
| 01:51.12 | JoshH | gasoline contains detergents to help keep your fuel system clean |
| 01:51.23 | JoshH | otherwise your lines and injectors would get clogged over time |
| 01:54.49 | xbmodder-treo | oh |
| 01:54.58 | xbmodder-treo | goozy-woozy! |
| 01:55.10 | xbmodder-treo | I need a clever nick for goozy |
| 01:57.02 | xbmodder-treo | gooz is like the hulk. |
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| 02:31.29 | sjansen | I have decided that teenage girls, unless they are traveling alone, should be legally required to fly sedated. |
| 02:33.18 | sjansen | o/~ whisting, whistling, whistling in the dark ~/o |
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| 03:20.15 | levi | Man, what's up with sjansen? |
| 03:25.50 | goozbach | he wants to come back, but doesnt dare. |
| 03:26.09 | goozbach | thinks it'llmake him look soft |
| 03:27.23 | levi | Tsk. He didn't even have a comment to make that time. |
| 03:27.36 | goozbach | i know |
| 03:28.22 | goozbach | it's just so un-sjansenish. |
| 03:29.26 | goozbach | SFO is so freaking big |
| 03:30.28 | levi | SFO? |
| 03:31.16 | goozbach | san fransico international. |
| 03:31.27 | goozbach | biig airport |
| 03:31.41 | levi | Ahh, okay. |
| 03:31.52 | levi | I'm not sure which Bay Area airports I've been to. |
| 03:32.04 | levi | I may have been to that one. |
| 03:32.09 | goozbach | and i get to spend the next three and one half hours here |
| 03:33.03 | levi | What are you doing in SF? |
| 03:33.29 | goozbach | then i go to dallas to catch a connection to slc |
| 03:33.59 | goozbach | it's the only place that had a flight i could get out on |
| 03:34.43 | goozbach | so i drove from san jose to san fran |
| 03:35.07 | goozbach | cause i missed my flight |
| 03:36.09 | levi | Whoops. |
| 03:42.14 | Maquis | ~lart goozbach |
| 03:45.28 | levi | Hi, Maquis. |
| 03:45.48 | Maquis | ~lart levi |
| 03:45.51 | Maquis | hi levi |
| 03:45.56 | Maquis | ~lart today |
| 03:46.07 | levi | Today is good! It's Friday! |
| 03:46.09 | Maquis | TGIF |
| 03:46.23 | Maquis | man... i'm glad that it's a 3-day weekend |
| 03:46.32 | Maquis | and that today is almost over |
| 03:46.35 | levi | It was my first anniversary yesterday. |
| 03:47.35 | Maquis | happy anniversary |
| 03:47.39 | levi | Thanks. :) |
| 03:47.47 | levi | I took yesterday off work, and half of today. |
| 03:47.53 | Maquis | that's good of you! |
| 03:48.08 | Maquis | most women would be happy enough about their husband actually remembering |
| 03:48.28 | levi | Heh. There's no way I could have forgotten. She's been talking about it for the last few weeks. :) |
| 03:49.41 | levi | We went to the condo swimming pool in the early afternoon, then went and checked into the B&B room I got us. After dropping our stuff off, we went to see the SLC Library, which is a really cool building. Plus, we both love books. |
| 03:50.15 | levi | Then we went and got changed for our restaurant, which gave us probably the best restaurant meal I've ever had. Man, it was good food. :) |
| 03:50.27 | Maquis | what restaurant? |
| 03:50.32 | levi | Martine |
| 03:50.35 | Maquis | hmm... |
| 03:50.38 | Maquis | never heard of it |
| 03:50.41 | levi | It's downtown. |
| 03:51.16 | JoshH | ive heard its good |
| 03:51.18 | levi | Right near the convention center, actually. |
| 03:51.19 | JoshH | but i havent been yet |
| 03:51.28 | levi | JoshH: It's not just good, it's REALLY good. |
| 03:51.54 | JoshH | that place and the metropolitan are like the only 2 restaurants here i havent been to |
| 03:52.04 | levi | From the bread and olives they start you with to the dessert at the end. :) |
| 03:52.21 | levi | Well, I hear the Metropolitan is the most expensive in the city. |
| 03:52.26 | JoshH | ill have to go one of these weekends |
| 03:52.31 | levi | Martine is expensive, but not exorbitant. |
| 03:52.39 | JoshH | the sl city weekly critic says metropolitan is the best |
| 03:52.46 | JoshH | and he has credibility with me |
| 03:53.15 | JoshH | i think the log haven in millcreek canyon might be more expensive, not sure though. |
| 03:53.41 | JoshH | that place is about 35ish average |
| 03:54.04 | levi | The tasting dinner at the Metropolitan comes to >$100 a person after tax/tip, I believe. Without drinks. |
| 03:54.26 | levi | You can get a cheaper regular entree though, I hear. |
| 03:54.29 | JoshH | i think melting pot was like 45 per person when i went there |
| 03:54.46 | levi | Yeah, Melting Pot is expensive, and not nearly as worth it as Martine is. |
| 03:54.55 | JoshH | ill have to try it |
| 03:55.06 | JoshH | now that we had this conversation i want to try it sooner rather than later |
| 03:55.08 | levi | Martine is $28 for an entree and tapa, and another $7 for dessert. |
| 03:55.49 | levi | So you can do dinner for two for ~$80, if you don't do drinks. |
| 03:56.09 | levi | Don't want to skip out on dessert, though. :) |
| 03:56.18 | Maquis | i've heard that melting pot is good |
| 03:56.22 | JoshH | it is |
| 03:56.33 | JoshH | spencers is an extremely good steakhouse |
| 03:56.36 | JoshH | perhaps the best in slc |
| 03:56.42 | levi | Maquis: It's good, but it's not anything you couldn't do yourself for a heck of a lot less money. |
| 03:56.54 | JoshH | i agree that melting pot is overpriced |
| 03:57.04 | JoshH | but it does have a nice atmosphere, and the food is quite good |
| 03:57.08 | JoshH | so its not TOO overpriced |
| 03:57.16 | Maquis | meh |
| 03:57.26 | levi | I'll bet the Juhl Haus fondue nights are better. I'll have to try that sometime. |
| 03:57.49 | JoshH | ive never been to a fondue night there, but ive heard about them |
| 03:57.59 | JoshH | they have good cheese |
| 03:58.15 | levi | Yeah, I've got cheese there before. I love that they give samples. :) |
| 03:58.44 | levi | I tried samples of cheeses a friend recommended, and I ended up hating a couple of them, so it saved me from much potential waste. :) |
| 04:00.09 | levi | Anyway, my dessert at Martine was a pear and cardamom custard tart w/pistachio creme fraiche. Man, that was yummy. |
| 04:04.07 | JoshH | one restaurant that is also good but overpriced is bambara |
| 04:05.20 | levi | That was an option I considered, along with staying in the Hotel Monaco, but my restaurant-going friends thought less of it due to its nature as a 'good imitation of a great restaurant'. |
| 04:05.55 | JoshH | lol |
| 04:06.03 | JoshH | it does kinda seem that way |
| 04:06.08 | levi | It is, literally. |
| 04:06.17 | JoshH | i dont understand why people pay so much for lacaille |
| 04:06.23 | levi | The whole Hotel Monaco is a copy of some hotel in France or something. |
| 04:06.34 | JoshH | well i knew the hotel was a copy |
| 04:06.41 | JoshH | actually it might even be a chain |
| 04:06.43 | levi | The restuarant is a copy, too. |
| 04:06.46 | JoshH | im not sure though |
| 04:07.03 | JoshH | well, its tasty enough anyway |
| 04:07.10 | JoshH | definitely overpriced though |
| 04:07.12 | levi | They follow the recipes of the original, but it's not the real chefs that created them making them. |
| 04:07.16 | JoshH | pretty much all restaurants are though |
| 04:07.59 | levi | My friend who used to be in the restaurant business talked about his experiences with lacaille... |
| 04:08.17 | JoshH | heh, one of my friends used to be a waiter there, he had all kinds of crazy stories |
| 04:08.18 | levi | Apparently, the chefs take a lot of shortcuts, use a lot of canned food, and generally do a half-assed job. |
| 04:08.35 | levi | They also apparently throw wild parties. |
| 04:08.45 | JoshH | ya, thats what i meant |
| 04:08.49 | levi | Like, coke and amphetamines parties. |
| 04:08.59 | JoshH | he said he had like 3 chicks on top of him on the roof one night |
| 04:09.15 | JoshH | 3 chicks that also worked there |
| 04:09.47 | levi | Sounds like the money corrupted that place. |
| 04:22.42 | mheath | bah, I need more e-mail :( |
| 04:23.11 | mheath | My inbox is rather empty. Reading e-mail gives me something interesting to do. |
| 04:25.51 | levi | That's too bad. |
| 04:25.56 | levi | You could try reading the spam you get. |
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| 05:42.58 | Supaplex | or reading spam on usenet |
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| 06:23.31 | Maquis | funny quote from a friend of mine: "What I have learned from this experience is that some things truly do surpass culture differences. Like the immaturity of boys." |
| 06:25.36 | linuxalien | hehehe |
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| 06:32.39 | Newsome | Following along with Maquis's quote: http://pel.cs.byu.edu/~sorenson/family/pics/picalbum.php?mode=view&album=2005%2F07_July%2FGlen+Canyon+Dam&pic=20050701-007.jpg |
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| 06:34.50 | Maquis | Newsome: hahaha |
| 06:35.32 | Newsome | We also saw "The Dam Bar and Grill" which was located at "The Dam Shopping Center" |
| 06:39.26 | Maquis | :) |
| 06:43.13 | Maquis | ~lart today |
| 06:43.35 | tensai | Maquis: just 15 more minutes till tomorrow |
| 06:44.10 | Maquis | tensai: yeah |
| 06:45.46 | bonez41 | Maquis: around this hour? |
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| 07:05.22 | Maquis | bonez41: what? |
| 07:05.42 | bonez41 | trying to figure out why my space is being eaten up as fast as I can clear it |
| 07:12.38 | Maquis | bonez41: no idea |
| 07:14.10 | Maquis | if it helps, andrew's website has a shell command that lists the largest files |
| 07:15.01 | Maquis | http://mcnabbs.org/andrew/linux/shellhacks/ -- check out the last command listed. that might help you figure out where the space is going |
| 07:15.16 | Maquis | gnight |
| 07:15.56 | goozbach | garrrrrggghhh!!!!!!! |
| 07:16.25 | goozbach | #&$ |
| 07:17.53 | Hhhhh | man thunderbird is nice! |
| 07:18.04 | Hhhhh | i like it much better than evolution |
| 07:18.09 | Hhhhh | or groupwise |
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| 07:46.15 | xbmodder-screen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:55.43 | xbmodder-screen | goosfrabah: hey |
| 07:55.47 | xbmodder-screen | who are you? |
| 07:56.07 | goosfrabah | someone new....never been in here before |
| 07:57.14 | goosfrabah | i mostly hang out in #uphpu during the day....for the past couple of weeks anyway. |
| 07:57.55 | goosfrabah | before that I hadn't used irc in 4 years or so. |
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| 08:01.20 | goosfrabah | can anyone give me a recommendation for a win xp bit torrent client? preferrably one that you've used and that you liked... (I've never used any bit torrent client so I guess I'd like one with good documentation) |
| 08:11.22 | xbmodder-screen | goosfrabah: azeurus |
| 08:12.03 | goosfrabah | thx |
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| 08:50.20 | goozbach | yay! i'm on a plane!!! |
| 08:51.10 | goozbach | hooray going home! |
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| 16:16.45 | barkingspider | Hi guys! |
| 16:17.01 | Hhhhh | hi |
| 16:17.39 | barkingspider | I'm just sitting here, bored at work |
| 16:18.12 | bonez41 | just sitting here...frustrated...at work....what's your work, barkingspider ? |
| 16:18.19 | bonez41 | mine is chiropractic |
| 16:19.19 | Maquis | hi |
| 16:19.29 | Maquis | bonez41: did any of my suggestions help? |
| 16:21.58 | barkingspider | I am a lab aide |
| 16:22.22 | Maquis | barkingspider: lab aid for what? |
| 16:22.41 | barkingspider | weber state lampros hall computer lab |
| 16:23.16 | Maquis | cool |
| 16:23.22 | Maquis | are they linux boxen? |
| 16:24.10 | barkingspider | Nope - the closest to linux is some eMacs with Mac OS X. They have some nice iMacs in the Union Building lab that have X11 and Mozilla on them. One of our computer techs is a Gentoo guy. |
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| 16:24.21 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 16:24.32 | Maquis | ok... well.. that idea for keeping yourself occupied dies.. |
| 16:24.34 | Maquis | umm.. |
| 16:25.21 | Maquis | you could try writing a program that does something weird, name it program.exe and stick it in C:\ |
| 16:25.39 | Maquis | i've heard that if you do that, it'll be executed anytime someone wants to execute something in c:\program files |
| 16:25.42 | Hhhhh | or play with net send |
| 16:25.45 | barkingspider | I don't program or I could do that. I have a book about hackers I am reading though |
| 16:25.52 | Maquis | what book |
| 16:25.52 | Maquis | ? |
| 16:25.58 | barkingspider | Spies Among Us |
| 16:25.59 | Hhhhh | when i was a TA for cs142 I created havoc with net send |
| 16:26.06 | Maquis | Hhhhh: net send? |
| 16:26.10 | barkingspider | It's written by a former NSA guy. |
| 16:26.20 | barkingspider | It talks about spies, hackers, criminals and terrorists. |
| 16:26.32 | Hhhhh | Maquis: net send is a cmd command in windows for sending messages to other computers |
| 16:26.51 | Hhhhh | net send <computer-name> <message> |
| 16:26.55 | Maquis | oooh |
| 16:26.58 | Maquis | that sounds cool |
| 16:27.20 | Hhhhh | a little box opens up with the message, and it looks a lot like those error boxes that pop-up in windows when something goes wrong |
| 16:27.25 | Maquis | someone got in trouble with the cs dept last year for sending political messages to all the different computers... |
| 16:27.29 | barkingspider | Yeah, this guy who wrote the book investigates computer crimes and does penetration testing for corporations. |
| 16:27.34 | Hhhhh | oh, lol, probably it was with that |
| 16:27.38 | Maquis | barkingspider: that souns cool |
| 16:27.52 | Hhhhh | if you do net send * <message> it send a message to every computer in the same submask |
| 16:27.59 | Maquis | Hhhhh: yeah |
| 16:28.29 | Maquis | what they didn't realize (i think) is that they were sending it to the windoze computers in the sysadmin office as well as the others |
| 16:28.51 | barkingspider | hey cool - I wonder what would happen if I did that in the lab. |
| 16:29.07 | Hhhhh | Maquis: anyways, when I'd get bored as a TA, I would send a message to some friend that was taking the class like this: net send whatever-comp Error 0x57b7f900: Memory corruption, contents of F: drive have been corrupted |
| 16:29.28 | Maquis | nice! |
| 16:29.52 | Hhhhh | or better: net send whatever-comp Your account will be deactivated at logoff due to the access of inapropriate material over the Internet. -Admin |
| 16:29.57 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 16:30.00 | bonez41 | Maquis: some.... |
| 16:30.04 | Maquis | i came up with all types of fun pranks to pull like that, but on the linux boxen, most of which require root |
| 16:30.11 | Maquis | bonez41: expound please? |
| 16:30.25 | Hhhhh | Maquis: well, there's always the good all ssh-mesg-write prank |
| 16:30.46 | Maquis | Hhhhh: yeah... but it says who's sending it |
| 16:30.57 | Hhhhh | Maquis: when my friends were in CS 240 trying to finish up the chess i'd start sending "Segmentation fault"'s |
| 16:31.12 | bonez41 | Maquis: for example..I just went through Thunderbird..tossed out several emails...sizing over 15 mb..with attachments, etc....deleted..then emptied trash....and hit df -h again and the size doesn't even show it changing...no increased available size.... |
| 16:31.31 | Maquis | i wanted to do the ssh-cat rm -rf / > /dev/pts1 prank |
| 16:31.59 | bonez41 | Maquis: that looks like a mean prank...doesn't it just hose the system? |
| 16:32.00 | Maquis | bonez41: did you check for overgrown log files? |
| 16:32.01 | Hhhhh | huh? i don't know that one |
| 16:32.13 | Maquis | bonez41: it doesn't actually do something |
| 16:32.23 | bonez41 | my /var partition is on another partition, than my /home partition... |
| 16:32.39 | bonez41 | maybe it is overgrown .log files... |
| 16:32.46 | Maquis | but it puts rm -rf / right after their prompt with a blank line underneath as if it's processing |
| 16:32.57 | Hhhhh | oh cool |
| 16:32.58 | Hhhhh | haha |
| 16:33.12 | Maquis | bonez41: did you see the link i posted to andrew's "shell hacks" page? that command for listing the biggest files/folders might help |
| 16:33.17 | Hhhhh | but what if they press enter? |
| 16:33.25 | Hhhhh | would that start rm -rf /? |
| 16:33.29 | Maquis | Hhhhh: it goes back to a prompt |
| 16:33.33 | Hhhhh | oh, ok |
| 16:33.35 | Hhhhh | awesome |
| 16:33.36 | Maquis | it doesn't run it |
| 16:33.41 | Maquis | it just looks really bad |
| 16:33.44 | Hhhhh | but you need to be root in order to do that? |
| 16:33.47 | Maquis | yeah |
| 16:33.48 | Hhhhh | i know, i'd freak out |
| 16:34.00 | Hhhhh | what is /dev/pts1? |
| 16:34.16 | bonez41 | Maquis: what's the link to that shell hacks page..and I'll go read it now |
| 16:34.22 | Maquis | that's a terminal... there's pts and tty and i always get them confused |
| 16:34.35 | Hhhhh | it's the output of the terminal? |
| 16:34.59 | Maquis | bonez41: go to mcnabbs.org/andrew and click on linux, then scroll down to shell hacks and examples (or something like that), and click on that, and then it's the last item on the page |
| 16:35.29 | Maquis | (evan and andrew have lots of helpful linux stuff on their websites... i filch ideas from them occasionally |
| 16:35.32 | Maquis | ) |
| 16:35.35 | Maquis | Hhhhh: yeah |
| 16:37.29 | Hhhhh | I don't see that in the sheels and examples page |
| 16:37.34 | Hhhhh | shells* |
| 16:37.42 | Maquis | hmmm... let me see what it's actually called |
| 16:38.10 | Maquis | hey... i got the name right... did you click on linux resources first? |
| 16:38.14 | Hhhhh | yes |
| 16:38.23 | Maquis | it's about half-way down the page, under Documentation |
| 16:38.58 | Hhhhh | in linux/shellhacks? |
| 16:39.07 | Hhhhh | i don't see it |
| 16:39.44 | bonez41 | Maquis: found andrew's linux stuff.... |
| 16:39.51 | Maquis | oh... you clicked on linux shell-hacks/ |
| 16:39.52 | Maquis | ? |
| 16:39.55 | bonez41 | I can only run my firefox starting in safe mode.... |
| 16:40.16 | Maquis | bonez41: great... do you see the actual line that i was referringto? (last one on the shell hacks page) |
| 16:40.58 | Hhhhh | last line in shellhacks is du -k |sort -n |tail -30 |
| 16:42.11 | Maquis | Hhhhh: if i'm correct, that's the one that orders the largest files/folders on the machine, right? |
| 16:42.20 | Hhhhh | yes |
| 16:42.33 | Maquis | yeah... that's the one i was getting bonez41 to |
| 16:42.44 | Hhhhh | but where is the rm-rf / one? |
| 16:42.58 | Maquis | oh... you want to know how to do that? |
| 16:43.06 | Hhhhh | i just wanted moer info on that |
| 16:43.09 | Hhhhh | more* |
| 16:43.33 | Maquis | oh... a friend and i just discovered it one day while playing in the cs labs |
| 16:55.13 | bonez41 | Maquis: that works breat... |
| 16:59.52 | bonez41 | Maquis: what miffs me..I go in....and delete and keep hacking...removing large chunks of outdated email...stuff that shouldn't be clogging up my system..and yet, in doing that, the size reported by 'df -h' never changes... |
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| 17:22.35 | Maquis | bonez41: ummm... |
| 17:22.46 | Maquis | what exactly is df -h reporting |
| 17:22.47 | Maquis | ? |
| 17:23.39 | Maquis | s getting a bit full |
| 17:24.05 | bonez41 | $ df -h |
| 17:24.05 | bonez41 | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 17:24.05 | bonez41 | /dev/hdb3 5.3G 4.8G 251M 96% / |
| 17:24.07 | bonez41 | tmpfs 142M 4.0K 142M 1% /dev/shm |
| 17:24.09 | bonez41 | /dev/hdb5 1.1G 1.1G 6.7M 100% /home |
| 17:24.11 | bonez41 | /dev/hdb6 865M 600M 221M 74% /var |
| 17:24.13 | bonez41 | /seth/e 4.2G 444M 3.8G 11% /sethe |
| 17:24.15 | bonez41 | that's what df -h shows on my box |
| 17:24.21 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 17:24.29 | Maquis | biggest problem seems to be /home |
| 17:24.37 | Maquis | which means it's not logs... |
| 17:25.15 | Maquis | wait... open firefox, and see what happens if you clear out your firefox cache and set the cache (and history files and all that) to 0 |
| 17:25.29 | Maquis | also, look and see if you have a .thumbnails directory in ~/ |
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| 17:26.26 | tene | bonez41: drop the '-h' |
| 17:27.26 | bonez41 | $ df |
| 17:27.26 | bonez41 | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 17:27.26 | bonez41 | /dev/hdb3 5479048 4944536 256188 96% / |
| 17:27.26 | bonez41 | tmpfs 144940 4 144936 1% /dev/shm |
| 17:27.26 | bonez41 | /dev/hdb5 1130540 1066320 6792 100% /home |
| 17:27.27 | bonez41 | /dev/hdb6 885436 614368 226088 74% /var |
| 17:27.29 | bonez41 | /seth/e 4344960 453888 3891072 11% /sethe |
| 17:27.31 | bonez41 | tene ok, there ya go.... |
| 17:27.31 | Maquis | tene: that shouldn't make a difference... although i guess it's worth a try |
| 17:27.43 | bonez41 | the -h just puts it in a different format for reading... |
| 17:27.52 | Maquis | bonez41: did you try the firefox trick? |
| 17:28.01 | bonez41 | doing that now |
| 17:29.11 | bonez41 | hmm cache clearing changed nothing |
| 17:29.52 | Maquis | anyone know where du gets its info from? |
| 17:30.10 | Maquis | bonez41: have you tried rebooting? sjansen says that it might be from a runaway process that still is using the files |
| 17:30.16 | mheath | Maquis: the kernel. |
| 17:30.22 | Hhhhh | ugh |
| 17:30.32 | Hhhhh | anybody using kernel 2.6.12? |
| 17:30.35 | Maquis | mheath: not from /proc or anything? |
| 17:30.44 | Maquis | Hhhhh: not yet... is it stable? |
| 17:30.58 | Hhhhh | with some dude in #fedora we found a bug |
| 17:31.04 | mheath | Maquis: I doubt it, though don't quote me on that. |
| 17:31.18 | Maquis | bonez41: another option would be to use lsof to find out what files are open and who's opening them |
| 17:31.30 | Hhhhh | if you have a Lite-on DVD burner, and you have CD or DVD in before you boot, kernel crashes |
| 17:31.58 | mheath | Bet you anything thats fixed upstream arleady |
| 17:32.01 | mheath | already* |
| 17:32.10 | mheath | Thats too big of an issue for it to not have been fixed |
| 17:32.24 | mheath | But check the kernel mailing list anyway, and see if theres been any talk of it |
| 17:32.28 | Maquis | bonez41: ??? anything with that? |
| 17:33.15 | Hhhhh | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=162327 |
| 17:33.33 | Hhhhh | we just tested it and we replicated it successfully in two computers |
| 17:33.50 | Hhhhh | with different specs except by the DVD burner |
| 17:33.59 | Hhhhh | and it doesn't happen in 2.6.11 |
| 17:35.00 | Maquis | hmmm... i'd say go back to 2.6.11, then |
| 17:35.09 | Maquis | unless there's something you actually need 2.6.12 for |
| 17:37.37 | Hhhhh | nah, i'm staying in 11 |
| 17:37.51 | Hhhhh | man, I'm loving FC4 |
| 17:38.03 | Hhhhh | never felt so pretty since SuSE 9.1 Pro |
| 17:38.12 | Maquis | haha |
| 17:38.23 | Maquis | evilwm is pretty |
| 17:38.34 | Hhhhh | i'm ok with KDE |
| 17:38.39 | Hhhhh | i like it |
| 17:38.52 | Hhhhh | my hardware can suffer it |
| 17:39.38 | Hhhhh | i heard that KDE was best for people switching to Linux from Windows and GNOME for people coming from MacOSX |
| 17:39.49 | Hhhhh | for the look-and-feel and the interaction |
| 17:40.15 | Maquis | i didn't really see any difference between them |
| 17:40.27 | tene | I like my e17 |
| 17:40.57 | levi | That's funny, because KDE used to be far more Mac-like. |
| 17:41.17 | levi | You could even put the menu bar on the top of the screen, and the app menus would go there just like on the Mac. |
| 17:41.28 | levi | In fact, you can probably still do that. |
| 17:42.06 | levi | I think the Gnome user interface guidelines and their file manager have made it far more mac-like in spirit, though. |
| 17:47.25 | Maquis | bonez41: ?????? |
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| 17:55.03 | mheath | tene: I like e17, but hate engage |
| 17:55.26 | mheath | I don't think that desktop environments or programs should try to imitate others. |
| 17:56.00 | levi | Depends on what they're for. |
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| 17:57.04 | mheath | Do you think it would be appropriate for Mac developers to say "Well, we like the interface in Windows. Lets make our operating system look just like that!" |
| 17:57.06 | mheath | ? |
| 17:57.18 | mheath | No? |
| 17:57.29 | mheath | Then why is it appropriate for Linux desktop developers to do that? |
| 17:57.48 | tene | mheath: agreed, I don't like engage too much |
| 17:58.13 | tene | raster won't let engage into the main tree because it was designed to mimic the OSX dock appearance |
| 17:59.20 | mheath | The tiny page on the Enlightenment website that there used to be for engage... |
| 17:59.27 | mheath | Actually claimed that that it was a unique creation |
| 18:00.29 | levi | Well, exact visual copies are out, but functional similarities are good if you're trying to replace something without re-training. |
| 18:01.14 | mheath | levi: have you looked at what I'm talking about, Engage? |
| 18:01.19 | mheath | It's an *exact visual copy* |
| 18:01.38 | mheath | plus, there are countless other programs and themes that aim to create exact visual copies |
| 18:01.56 | mheath | Mac OS Xish themes are really popular |
| 18:01.56 | levi | Right. Your original statement was a bit broader than exact visual copies, though. |
| 18:03.03 | mheath | I just find it silly that people use Linux because its superior, yet most people seem to rule out the possibility of creating a superior interface |
| 18:03.07 | bonez41 | Maquis: I tried that with 'lsof' and it spit out a huge...and very long list... |
| 18:03.11 | mheath | They just want their desktop to look like good ol' Mac OS X |
| 18:03.30 | Maquis | bonez41: ok... umm... are any of the files you deleted in that list? |
| 18:04.44 | Maquis | bonez41: sjansen says to just reboot and see if that resolves it |
| 18:04.57 | levi | mheath: Some people use Linux because it's free, not because it's superior. And even those who think it's superior in some ways don't think it's superior in others. |
| 18:05.07 | bonez41 | Maquis: back soon |
| 18:05.13 | Maquis | k |
| 18:06.38 | tene | Hmm. |
| 18:06.43 | levi | mheath: And people who have money to invest in Linux are going to make the interface as much like Windows as possible, because it makes it easier to retrain people to use it; that's a significant cost for Linux desktop adoption in the workplace. |
| 18:06.46 | tene | I have an issue with my FC4 installation. |
| 18:07.02 | tene | I get a tiny bit of interface lag every few seconds. |
| 18:07.03 | mheath | levi: I know that |
| 18:07.48 | mheath | I'm just saying that it bugs me that Enlightenment, which is supposed to be the cutting edge of unique desktop development, wants to be Mac OS X |
| 18:07.58 | tene | It doesn't. |
| 18:07.58 | mheath | And that themers have an obsession with Mac OS X themes |
| 18:08.14 | tene | raster specifically wants to *avoid* appearing like other things. |
| 18:08.19 | tene | he wants to have his own look |
| 18:08.56 | tene | a few particular enlightenment users have a preference for OS X-styled themes |
| 18:09.08 | mheath | tene: The Engage project is rapidly becoming an integral part of the Enlightenment project to most users, whether or not it's official |
| 18:11.09 | tene | It won't ship with enlightenment release unless it gets more visual styles and doesn't use that one by default |
| 18:11.25 | mheath | They all look like Mac OS X |
| 18:11.36 | mheath | different icons and different coloring doesn't make it much less Mac OS X-ish |
| 18:11.38 | tene | dereference "they" for me? |
| 18:11.47 | mheath | The themes. |
| 18:12.05 | tene | I didn't mean icons and coloring |
| 18:12.32 | tene | for example, it could act like ibar does |
| 18:12.38 | tene | with the flashy thing |
| 18:14.27 | tene | and still, that's a single application. the enlightenment development community as a whole definitely values the development of something different |
| 18:14.43 | tene | I haven't seen *any* attempts to mimic anything else |
| 18:15.16 | tene | rasterman is, in fact, almost hostile towards such things |
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| 19:27.37 | Maquis | if bonez41 comes back, let him know that i'm out for a while, but if he /msgs me, i'll get it when i get back... |
| 19:35.46 | tene | ~lart Maquis |
| 21:27.04 | TimRiker | upcoming LUG meetings? |
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