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| 16:20.25 | lars-ut | fungus: thanks |
| 16:20.57 | lars-ut | tensai: What's your favorite switch? |
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| 16:24.58 | lars-ut | ~emulate gir |
| 16:24.58 | ibot | do a little dance! |
| 16:26.16 | lars-ut | ~emulate Ms Bitters |
| 16:26.16 | ibot | There's a pigeon on your head! You've got head pigeons! Get to the nurse before they spread to the other children! |
| 16:27.28 | lars-ut | TimRiker - you kept ibot just the way he was. Thanks. {sniffle} |
| 16:32.28 | tensai | lars-ut: foundry makes rock solid switches. ciscos are nice too. obviously pricey, though. I'm no expert either. |
| 16:35.33 | lars-ut | s/he/she |
| 16:38.28 | lars-ut | tensai: I'm using a couple of discarded Dell 233's for this. Total Cost of 2 box redundant multi-homed firewall less than $200. YACHS (Yet Another Cheap Hardware Setup). |
| 16:39.42 | lars-ut | That includes 4 Gigabit NICs. |
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| 16:50.53 | hans | ibot, wb |
| 16:50.53 | ibot | It's great to be back! |
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| 17:01.30 | sjansen | http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView?showComments=true&entry=3297613847 |
| 17:01.41 | sjansen | Too bad levi's not around at the moment. |
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| 17:16.02 | synic | anyone know of a public aim->jabber gateway that has typing notification? |
| 17:16.18 | goozbach | another drive-by sjansening |
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| 18:50.10 | hans | hmm, can you source stdin in bash? |
| 18:52.53 | tensai | I don't think so |
| 19:10.57 | hans | so make produces vmlinux, which I just stick in /boot/vmlinuz and things work, but am I being bad by doing that? Should I gzip it first? |
| 19:12.50 | TimRiker | it is compressed already. |
| 19:13.09 | TimRiker | oh.. vmlinux. yeah.. that's not. |
| 19:13.21 | hans | I don't care about the disk space |
| 19:13.22 | TimRiker | make bzImage is likely what you want. |
| 19:13.42 | hans | just don't want to be doing something that will make me look like a fool down the road. :-) |
| 19:13.43 | TimRiker | it should load and work either way with new bootloaders. |
| 19:13.50 | hans | yeah, it does work |
| 19:13.51 | TimRiker | old ones had issues with large kernels. |
| 19:14.22 | TimRiker | course it's likely that you can load and decompress a compressed kernel faster than loading an uncompressed one. |
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| 19:14.46 | hans | but can I type "make bzImage" faster than I can type "make" is the real question |
| 19:14.56 | TimRiker | =) |
| 19:15.08 | tensai | <sjansen> http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView?showComments=true&entry=3297613847 |
| 19:15.08 | tensai | <sjansen> Too bad levi's not around at the moment. |
| 19:15.17 | TimRiker | make zlilo might work for you. |
| 19:15.27 | hans | zgrub? |
| 19:15.36 | TimRiker | don't think there is a zgrub. |
| 19:15.46 | levi | Not around for what? |
| 19:16.00 | TimRiker | though I think zboot goes to /vmlinuz and grub can just use it from there. |
| 19:16.45 | tensai | levi: not around for his (presumably) insightful comment. sjansen is apparently too good to hang around with us anymore |
| 19:17.03 | hans | maybe I should write my own makefile target that does everything |
| 19:17.09 | tensai | levi: that was at 11:01am |
| 19:17.25 | hans | but not too good to write poetry |
| 19:17.40 | tensai | or to weave his own clothing |
| 19:17.44 | levi | tensai: Apparently so. Perhaps someday I too will ascend to that higher plane and leave you mere mortals behind. ;) |
| 19:18.25 | levi | Did he make any comment regarding that, or just think it would be nice to share with me? |
| 19:18.36 | tensai | you know what we know |
| 19:19.15 | TimRiker | hans: zboot won't do what you want? |
| 19:20.22 | hans | $ make zboot |
| 19:20.22 | hans | make: *** No rule to make target `zboot'. Stop. |
| 19:20.46 | levi | But, yeah, I agree to some degree with the sentiment of that blog entry. Intentionally crippling your language to make it 'easy' is bound to backfire sometime in the future when you end up adding the complexity back in and it doesn't fit particularly well. |
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| 20:12.10 | Maquis | anybody good with moving windows in gvim? |
| 20:12.21 | Maquis | ie, if i want to move a window from the upper left to the lower right, how do i do that? |
| 20:12.37 | tensai | Maquis: click and drag the title bar |
| 20:13.04 | Maquis | tensai: is there a keyboard way? |
| 20:13.46 | Maquis | tensai: i'm not having any luck |
| 20:13.53 | tensai | seems like a WM specific task |
| 20:13.54 | Maquis | it's letting me resize them, but not move them around |
| 20:14.05 | Maquis | tensai: no... not as in separate windows... |
| 20:14.18 | Maquis | but one gvim window, split into multiple windows inside |
| 20:14.22 | Maquis | with split/vsplit |
| 20:14.43 | tensai | ah. no idea then. |
| 20:15.43 | Maquis | :( |
| 20:16.34 | tensai | how about ^WK, ^WJ, etc |
| 20:16.49 | Maquis | that makes it take the whole top or the whole side |
| 20:20.56 | Maquis | if anybody discovers the way, please /msg |
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| 20:22.44 | vontrapp | has anyone used sarien? |
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| 20:50.16 | erikrj | sarien? |
| 20:52.09 | bonez41 | how does one compare two folders to see what's in one and not in the other? |
| 20:57.30 | vontrapp | ~sarien |
| 20:57.30 | ibot | somebody said sarien was http://sarien.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:58.05 | vontrapp | ~sarien is also An Amiga AGI resource interpreter (Space Quest, Police quest, et. al.) |
| 20:58.05 | ibot | okay, vontrapp |
| 20:59.09 | vontrapp | ~sarien ~= s/Amiga/Sierra/ |
| 20:59.32 | vontrapp | ~sarien =~ s/Amiga/Sierra/ |
| 20:59.32 | ibot | vontrapp: OK |
| 20:59.39 | vontrapp | ~sarien |
| 20:59.39 | ibot | methinks sarien is http://sarien.sourceforge.net/ An Sierra AGI resource interpreter (Space Quest, Police quest, et. al.) |
| 21:00.07 | vontrapp | it segfaults whenever i run it unless i turn off sound |
| 21:00.24 | vontrapp | i imagine it's an sdl problem |
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| 21:27.56 | bonez41 | vontrapp: anyone: if I moved a folder to a network drive....then setup a symbolic link to the folder on new network location...why doesn't df -h show the space being recovered? |
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| 21:46.37 | bonez41 | welcome wps |
| 21:46.44 | wps | thanks |
| 21:47.48 | bonez41 | got a question for you..wps |
| 21:48.21 | bonez41 | I have run out of room on my /home drive partition.... |
| 21:49.51 | bonez41 | so I copied the files to another drive.....on another system..then wiped out the actual files on my linux machine...then set up a link, with ln -s to the new location....still I don't see any space being recovered |
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| 21:52.52 | wps | uh… I don't know |
| 21:55.10 | wps | if you have a link to the files, is a size check going to still show the same amount? |
| 21:55.55 | bonez41 | wps: it shouldn't show the files if they don't reside on that partition..... |
| 21:56.31 | wps | are the files really deleted? or just "moved to the trash" and still around being counted? |
| 21:57.56 | bonez41 | yeah, deleted from one partition, moved essentially to another machine....networked drive... |
| 21:58.20 | bonez41 | this was a move in terminal...is there a trash can? not via gui...... |
| 22:00.19 | wps | don't know, sorry |
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| 22:01.13 | bonez41 | TimRiker: if I delete a large number of files from a particular partition...at the terminal, command prompt...do they just get fully deleted or go to some such trash bin first? |
| 22:26.19 | vontrapp | bonez39: they should be deleted completely |
| 22:26.34 | vontrapp | only thing would be if there's still references open to them somewhere |
| 22:26.43 | vontrapp | that could include programs even |
| 22:26.55 | vontrapp | or hard links |
| 22:28.19 | vontrapp | a program usually won't keep a reference to a file though, usually it would just read the file and close it |
| 22:30.05 | goozbach | bonez39: it depends on the filesystem |
| 22:30.18 | goozbach | if you're lucky, and fast you can recover the inode |
| 22:30.25 | goozbach | and the directory entry |
| 22:30.37 | goozbach | but only if you're lucky, and act quickly |
| 22:30.45 | goozbach | try http://lde.sourceforge.org |
| 22:31.32 | vontrapp | goozbach: he's trying to recover the space the files used, not the files themselves |
| 22:33.31 | goozbach | bonez39: run a sync |
| 22:33.37 | goozbach | and do a du -x |
| 22:33.45 | goozbach | (stay on same filesystem) |
| 22:33.59 | goozbach | du by default de-references symlinks |
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| 23:07.43 | xbmodder-treo | yay goozbach does not 0wn me anymore |
| 23:08.03 | xbmodder-treo | ~time |
| 23:08.03 | ibot | You are educated stupid and therefore too dumb to understand nature's perfect time cube! |
| 23:08.24 | xbmodder-treo | who killed ibot! |
| 23:10.16 | bonez41 | could a virus write and fill space on a drive? could some nasty bug do that, to frustrate me? |
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| 23:15.25 | bonez41 | JoshH: do you know..could a virus, on a linux system...eat up available partition space......and tie it up? |
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| 23:23.17 | TimRiker | ibot: date |
| 23:23.17 | ibot | Fri Jul 1 23:23:17 2005 |
| 23:30.52 | bucky | bonez41, how big is /var/log/syslog ? |
| 23:31.15 | bucky | sometimes if you don't have logrotate installed that can fill a partition |
| 23:31.28 | bonez41 | bucky: checking...brb. |
| 23:31.50 | bonez41 | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 108373 Jul 1 17:30 /var/log/syslog |
| 23:31.57 | bonez41 | not really big |
| 23:32.09 | bonez41 | how do I check logrotate? |
| 23:32.13 | bonez41 | to get it working right? |
| 23:32.20 | bucky | it's working |
| 23:32.31 | bonez41 | it seems like no matter what I move off it...the partition fills up.....jammed full |
| 23:39.23 | bucky | bonez41, is /var/log/apache2/access.log filling it up? |
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