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| 00:51.22 | mheath | I feel evil |
| 00:51.27 | mheath | I'm playing a first person shooter.... |
| 00:52.09 | mheath | And killing some US marines (its Opposing Forces, the "evil" miltary guys that are also after you). The only problem is it actually names one of the units... |
| 00:52.24 | mheath | And I've met several people from the real unit of that name. And here I am killing them all off. |
| 00:55.20 | Supaplex | haha |
| 00:58.08 | Maquis | ~lart goozbach |
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| 00:58.38 | mheath | woah |
| 00:58.47 | Maquis | ~lart mheath |
| 00:59.18 | mheath | that ~lart just made me realize how pathetic my network is (the goozbach one). "main rotation server"? "rehubbing"? |
| 00:59.22 | mheath | never heard those terms :D |
| 01:02.38 | goozbach | what'd I do? |
| 01:05.32 | Maquis | ~lart goozbach |
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| 01:13.09 | goozbach | again I say... What did I do? |
| 01:35.46 | goozbach | ????? |
| 01:35.50 | Maquis | :) |
| 01:35.53 | goozbach | confundio |
| 01:37.49 | goozbach | bu bu but.. |
| 01:43.06 | Maquis | hehehe |
| 01:45.18 | linuxalien | I wonder if privoxy would hide my ip in chat or anything |
| 01:45.30 | linuxalien | I'm a n00b when it comes to privoxy or proxies |
| 01:50.01 | linuxalien | Wow, their docs are better than squid's |
| 02:07.01 | mheath | linuxalien: an IRC proxy would |
| 02:07.16 | mheath | (I assume "chat" == "IRC" |
| 02:07.44 | mheath | Using a proxy routes all your traffic through a third pary host |
| 02:07.56 | mheath | So to the IRC server, it would appear that you're connecting from that host |
| 02:11.27 | linuxalien | Cool - I've heard of open proxies but stay away from those. I wonder if there are inexpensive proxy services. |
| 02:21.41 | mheath | I'm going to be running an SSH tunnel, web proxy, and IRC proxy on my Sparc |
| 02:21.59 | mheath | once I can get Solaris on it. The CD-ROM drive is bad on it, and I don't have a spare SCSI CD-ROM drive |
| 02:23.04 | linuxalien | Sounds nice! I just want to be safe from hacking and tracking. |
| 02:23.25 | mheath | Yeah. |
| 02:23.50 | linuxalien | You never know what weasel is out there tracking you. |
| 02:23.56 | mheath | An SSH tunnel will avoid any tracking other than local spyware/monitoring software |
| 02:24.09 | linuxalien | I'll have to learn to use those |
| 02:24.17 | mheath | er |
| 02:24.19 | mheath | SSL |
| 02:24.20 | mheath | I'm not thinking |
| 02:25.57 | mheath | hmmm. I have a couple old 486s I'm trying to decide what to do with |
| 02:26.03 | mheath | worthless as a desktop computer |
| 02:26.16 | mheath | a friend was going to junk them, so I took them off his hands |
| 02:27.56 | mheath | I was thinking of giving Amoeba a try on them, as a little cluster |
| 02:28.20 | linuxalien | What ya gonna crunch? |
| 02:28.46 | mheath | haha |
| 02:28.57 | mheath | they're 486s |
| 02:29.03 | mheath | I just wanted to play around with a distributed system |
| 02:29.17 | mheath | I was originally planning on majoring in a distributed-computing related degree |
| 02:30.03 | linuxalien | That would be fun. :) Make decent money too. |
| 02:30.24 | mheath | well yeah. Since then my plans have changed rather drastically |
| 02:30.42 | mheath | (The longterm effect of my change in plans won't be THAT much different, but the short term effects will be) |
| 02:31.42 | linuxalien | What are the new plans? |
| 02:31.56 | mheath | Rather than going to college right out of Highschool, I'm planning on joining the Navy to pay for college |
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| 02:32.44 | mheath | and rather than getting a distributed computing related degree and being some grunt engineer somewhere, I'm planning on getting my MBA and starting a business |
| 02:34.54 | linuxalien | right on! |
| 02:35.57 | mheath | I want to start a computer related business (not going to go into details right now..) plus my brothers wife wants me to handle all the legal dirtywork of a big Bed and Breakfast she plans to start on our families ranch |
| 02:37.37 | linuxalien | Sounds pretty cool |
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| 02:51.11 | linuxalien | been on the computer all day...time to hang with the bro and niece |
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| 04:15.52 | xbmodder | hey |
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| 12:39.36 | hans | morning |
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| 14:05.15 | hans | durned domino |
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| 14:22.41 | hans | anyone know, how does dave smith prefer to be contacted these days? |
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| 14:32.19 | hans | "The ancient Egyptians didn't have...patent laws." "Oh yeah, then how did they build the pyramids?" |
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| 14:42.58 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
| 14:44.10 | vontrapp | ~lart hans |
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| 15:15.31 | hans | ~lart sourceforge |
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| 15:58.37 | vontrapp | usually 12 months |
| 15:59.06 | vontrapp | so, should i figure the number of occupied spaces for each month, and average that? or should i figure the average occupancy for each space and add? |
| 16:00.42 | vontrapp | i'm leaning toward the latter |
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| 16:25.58 | mrpull | gooood monday morning to you |
| 16:31.03 | mheath | Good morning, mrpull :) |
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| 16:43.55 | xbmodder | hey all |
| 16:44.58 | mheath | Hello. |
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| 17:04.15 | xbmodder | mheath: sup? |
| 17:05.04 | xbmodder | lol |
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| 17:13.29 | hans | any shared memory gurus? |
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| 17:16.07 | xbmodder | ~seen joshc |
| 17:16.07 | ibot | joshc <~joshc@65.37.125.194> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 55d 16h 56m 53s ago, saying: ' meanwhile, the "chosen people" in california, and much of the rest of the country rake in dirty money by opening casinos...'. |
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| 17:33.14 | xbmodder | lalala |
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| 17:33.28 | xbmodder | so bored |
| 17:33.35 | xbmodder | waiting for it to install |
| 17:33.59 | goozbach | oh comeon, it isn't that bad |
| 17:34.02 | xbmodder | ~weather san jose, ca |
| 17:34.05 | goozbach | it could be worse |
| 17:34.09 | xbmodder | i am waiting |
| 17:34.11 | xbmodder | yeah |
| 17:34.16 | goozbach | it could be gentoo |
| 17:34.19 | xbmodder | that initial install took a while |
| 17:34.29 | xbmodder | gentoo takes like 20 minutes (stage3) |
| 17:34.38 | jsmith | xbmodder: Why do you want to know the weather in San Jose? |
| 17:34.47 | goozbach | ~weather SJC |
| 17:34.49 | xbmodder | jsmith: I am in san jose |
| 17:34.56 | xbmodder | but it is outside |
| 17:35.03 | xbmodder | i don't wanna burn outside |
| 17:35.09 | xbmodder | i like the nice A/C inside |
| 17:35.35 | xbmodder | or if we could use your server room and use distcc to compile in parallel |
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| 17:35.45 | jsmith | xbmodder: I'll be in San Jose tomorrow |
| 17:35.58 | xbmodder | really? what will you be doing here? |
| 17:36.39 | hans | whooping on you |
| 17:37.02 | xbmodder | fun |
| 17:37.03 | goozbach | hey now... no beating of my students... |
| 17:37.11 | mheath | ~weather KOGD |
| 17:37.12 | goozbach | that's my job |
| 17:37.20 | xbmodder | heh |
| 17:37.25 | xbmodder | thanks goozbach |
| 17:37.29 | hans | he's your student? |
| 17:37.32 | xbmodder | yeah |
| 17:38.52 | goozbach | this week |
| 17:38.56 | goozbach | then he's all yours |
| 17:40.02 | goozbach | note to self... Teach xbmodder the wonders of screen |
| 17:41.45 | hans | ------ Shared Memory Limits -------- |
| 17:41.45 | hans | max number of segments = 4096 |
| 17:41.45 | hans | max seg size (kbytes) = 32768 |
| 17:41.45 | hans | max total shared memory (kbytes) = 8388608 |
| 17:41.45 | hans | min seg size (bytes) = 1 |
| 17:42.17 | hans | ok, so _where_ is that total shared memory coming from? the box has 2G RAM, 5G swap |
| 17:43.17 | hans | so that's not total memory. |
| 17:43.29 | hans | it's also not 4096*32768, if you're too lazy to do the math. ;-) |
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| 17:43.51 | xbmodder | yay |
| 17:43.54 | xbmodder | install is done |
| 17:43.56 | levi | hans: It's coming from the 8th Dimension. |
| 17:44.01 | xbmodder | hmm |
| 17:44.06 | hans | cool |
| 17:44.21 | hans | that's where I want to send these ibm support people |
| 17:44.28 | xbmodder | hehe |
| 17:44.35 | hans | for two weeks now the only bit of advice they've had is "up the memory" |
| 17:44.40 | goozbach | heh |
| 17:44.42 | xbmodder | hans: IBM support is usually pretty good. |
| 17:44.57 | hans | because it only has "about 40 megabytes free" |
| 17:44.59 | goozbach | xbmodder: you must not have much experiance with them |
| 17:44.59 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.59 | hans | Mem: 2019 1966 53 0 33 1588 |
| 17:44.59 | hans | -/+ buffers/cache: 343 1676 |
| 17:44.59 | hans | Swap: 5127 81 5046 |
| 17:45.30 | goozbach | or aren't doing much with websphere, or oracle or other big apps |
| 17:45.48 | hans | someone apparently doesn't understand buffers and caches |
| 17:45.55 | hans | and swap |
| 17:45.55 | xbmodder | prolly not. |
| 17:46.08 | goozbach | they have a very steep complexity threshold curve |
| 17:46.24 | hans | so I'm taking debugging into my own hands. I think notes is running out of shared memory (which has different limits) but I can't quite figure out how to tell what's going on. |
| 17:47.00 | hans | this server never goes about 512MB of real memory usage, and it has 2G. obviously not running out of ram. |
| 17:47.15 | hans | s/about/above |
| 17:49.15 | Bradipo | hans: Shared memory limits may require a recompile of the kernel if I'm not mistaken. |
| 17:49.35 | hans | which I'd be happy to do if I can figure out whether it's a problme. |
| 17:51.45 | hans | now, empirically I'm seeing that notes is only allocating segments of size 8388608 bytes at most, which if you take out the kbytes above might match up somehow |
| 17:51.49 | hans | so I'm mostly just confused. |
| 17:59.32 | vontrapp | ~weathercode San Jose, CA |
| 18:00.42 | vontrapp | ~weathercode san jose |
| 18:00.42 | ibot | methinks weathercode san jose is RPUH located in Philippines. 12-21N 121-02E. |
| 18:00.53 | vontrapp | ~weather rpuh |
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| 18:22.03 | TimRiker | ~weather sjc |
| 18:22.07 | TimRiker | ~weather ksjc |
| 18:30.11 | vontrapp | how do i nc any random port? |
| 18:30.21 | vontrapp | if i nc localhost 15000 i get connection refused |
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| 18:41.37 | neybar_work | is anyone else getting mail from plug? things seem unusually quite... |
| 18:42.23 | vontrapp | i was just about to comment that the universe must be in dissarray since the urug list is getting more traffic than plug and uug combined |
| 18:42.52 | neybar_work | ok, just checking |
| 18:43.05 | neybar_work | uug I can understand with it being summer and all |
| 18:46.31 | tapH20guru | dang ruby ... it's taking over the world! :) |
| 18:49.10 | Jayce^ | plug has been quiet, very strange |
| 18:56.22 | levi | I wouldn't mind ruby taking over the scripting world. :) |
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| 19:03.38 | tapH20guru | or the web... rails is delicious |
| 19:04.09 | tapH20guru | ~weather |
| 19:04.56 | Jayce^ | catalyst++ |
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| 19:24.19 | hans | ah ha. "max total shared memory" == SHMALL * PAGE_SIZE |
| 19:24.51 | Bradipo | Figure it out? |
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| 19:36.08 | hans | yah. 8G is shmall*page_size |
| 19:36.22 | hans | (/proc/sys/kernel/shm*) |
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| 20:20.42 | xbmodder | yay |
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| 20:30.18 | jsmith | xbmodder: Welcome back. |
| 20:30.30 | jsmith | xbmodder: (I'm headed out thtat direction to tack a bunch of servers) |
| 20:30.32 | jsmith | brb |
| 20:31.10 | xbmodder | cool |
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| 20:39.45 | tapH20guru | anyone on here run the inventgeek.com site? |
| 20:39.50 | tapH20guru | based out of SLC |
| 20:40.01 | tapH20guru | slashdotted twice in the last couple of weeks |
| 20:40.10 | tapH20guru | not bad stuff, either |
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| 21:03.57 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 21:09.19 | hans | scientists create zombie dogs |
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| 21:25.49 | Hhhhh | yea, I read about that |
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| 21:46.57 | levi | Yay, the internets have returned! |
| 21:49.41 | mrpull | levi... XO link? |
| 21:49.49 | levi | Yup. |
| 21:52.39 | mrpull | any details? i just heard fibercut in SLC. |
| 21:52.50 | Bradipo | Does XO ever give out details? |
| 21:53.08 | levi | I just know that suddenly there were no internets, and now they are back. |
| 21:59.46 | bucky | UTOPIA is at it again |
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| 22:07.20 | hans | this needs to be made into a firefox search bar thingy, NOW |
| 22:07.22 | hans | http://www.yubnub.org/ |
| 22:09.05 | Jayce^ | oh yeah, firefox doesn't have those yet... |
| 22:10.34 | hans | have whats? |
| 22:10.41 | hans | a search box? sure it does |
| 22:10.49 | hans | where have you beeN? |
| 22:11.04 | hans | as for yubnub, it needs ajax |
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| 22:12.40 | levi | hans: Hooray! |
| 22:12.51 | Bradipo | yubnub sounds like a word they use in the moon of Endor. |
| 22:13.25 | Jayce^ | hans, no the single commands in the entry bar.. the shortcuts |
| 22:13.34 | mrpull | Bradipo: I think that is the origin |
| 22:13.36 | levi | Bradipo: Yes, and it means 'hooray' |
| 22:13.57 | Bradipo | Haha, cool. |
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| 22:23.33 | beandog | hans: that is cool |
| 22:24.55 | beandog | 116 pages of commands, yikes |
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| 22:26.54 | beandog | hmm, start from pg 116 and go back :) |
| 22:26.59 | beandog | http://www.yubnub.org/kernel/ls?page=116 |
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| 22:43.15 | beandog | Hmm |
| 22:43.24 | beandog | I factory reset my comcast dvr last night. :) |
| 22:44.21 | beandog | then I screwed up my remote |
| 22:44.24 | beandog | then I fixed it |
| 22:44.34 | mrpull | it wasn't the fiber cut that caused the problem |
| 22:44.44 | Bradipo | What was it? |
| 22:45.00 | Bradipo | Some misconfigured router that didn't know how to handle all the new routes coming back online? |
| 22:45.49 | mrpull | once interface on a router common to many companies in SLC area brought a router mostly down |
| 22:47.14 | mrpull | s/once/one/ |
| 22:47.57 | mrpull | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.33 | mrpull | XO has scheduled an emergency maintenance on 06/27/05 in which Data customers may possibly experience latency during the timeframe listed below: |
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| 22:54.34 | mrpull | Maintenance Date: 06/27/05 |
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| 22:54.37 | mrpull | Time: 11:00PM – 1:00AM (MST) |
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| 22:55.41 | Bradipo | So, is it 21:00 MST or 1:00 MST? |
| 22:56.11 | Bradipo | Er 11:00 MST rather. |
| 22:56.17 | mrpull | i'm reading it as tonight 11 PM till tomorrow 1 AM |
| 22:56.34 | Bradipo | Ahh, so its a 2 hour window? |
| 22:56.47 | mrpull | yeah.... but aren't we MDT right now? |
| 22:56.54 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 22:56.59 | mrpull | it _is_ a bit ambiguous |
| 22:57.06 | mrpull | that is from a tech, not the official notice |
| 22:57.07 | Bradipo | It is, they should just use beats. :-) |
| 22:57.12 | mrpull | ewwww |
| 22:57.35 | mrpull | UTM I could go for |
| 22:57.39 | mrpull | beats.... no thanks |
| 22:57.39 | Bradipo | Or UTC> |
| 22:57.53 | mrpull | GMT... what ever they call that now :) |
| 22:58.01 | Bradipo | UTC. |
| 22:58.13 | mrpull | UTM is the lat/long replacement ... |
| 22:58.20 | Bradipo | Is that a replacement? |
| 22:58.27 | mrpull | alternative |
| 22:58.32 | Bradipo | I didn't know UTM meant to replace it... |
| 22:59.11 | mrpull | i still use lat/long for geocaching... but UTM makes a good case to switch over |
| 22:59.20 | Bradipo | Why UTM? |
| 22:59.31 | mrpull | each tick is a meter |
| 22:59.35 | Bradipo | I've never understood UTM much, but then I haven't tried either. |
| 22:59.55 | Bradipo | Ahh, nice. |
| 22:59.58 | mrpull | i am not exactly an expert... not an expert at all actually |
| 23:00.00 | Bradipo | And where is the origin? |
| 23:00.15 | mrpull | north and south is from the equator |
| 23:00.30 | Bradipo | Makes sense. |
| 23:00.38 | mrpull | east and west is from... i cant recall :) |
| 23:00.42 | Bradipo | Hehe. |
| 23:01.43 | mrpull | i think it passes thru greenwich |
| 23:03.41 | beandog | gmt = greenwich mean time |
| 23:04.24 | mrpull | understood... |
| 23:05.06 | mrpull | the odd thing about UTM is it is broken into zones |
| 23:05.21 | mrpull | then you just figure the offset from the edges of that zone |
| 23:05.33 | mrpull | i honestly don't understand it. i'm trying to... |
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