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| 00:48.01 | tene | elm80: ack |
| 00:48.03 | tene | err |
| 00:48.12 | tene | s/elm80: // |
| 00:48.24 | herlo_ | que? |
| 00:48.30 | tene | trying to edit this file in vim, and it's freaking out |
| 00:48.32 | tene | CONVERSION ERROR[dos] |
| 00:48.58 | herlo_ | no intiendo |
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| 04:01.14 | linuxalien | Wow, it's good to see a lot of people here |
| 04:11.58 | tensai | http://www.energyfederation.org/loa/default.php |
| 04:12.16 | tensai | take note of the "Hacker Safe - Tested Daily!" logo |
| 04:12.46 | tensai | I'm really impressed. not like hackers have non-public exploits. |
| 04:16.00 | linuxalien | Werd |
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| 05:03.59 | xbmodder | lol |
| 05:04.09 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 05:04.25 | xbmodder | hey |
| 05:06.56 | tensai | hhhhhello |
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| 05:17.56 | tensai | ~convert 10,000 km to miles |
| 05:18.09 | tensai | ~convert 10000 km to miles |
| 05:19.21 | Hhhhh | why not simply switch to metric system? |
| 05:19.30 | Hhhhh | english system is so anti-intuitive |
| 05:20.27 | Hhhhh | metric system is 1337 |
| 05:20.29 | tensai | compared to the average american I do use metric quite a bit. the hard part is being able to visualize a unit of measure. |
| 05:20.53 | Hhhhh | 1 mt = extend your arms to the sides |
| 05:20.58 | tensai | 1 meter I can grok. 10 |
| 05:21.25 | tensai | err, that is... 10,000 meters I don't. yet. |
| 05:21.26 | roscivs | 60 miles is an hour driving at 60mph, 100 km is an hour driving at 100kph. |
| 05:21.33 | misterpull | nah... my wingspan is > than a meter |
| 05:22.53 | misterpull | closer to 2 meters i'd guess |
| 05:22.55 | roscivs | (and 100kph ~= 60mph) |
| 05:23.15 | roscivs | That's how I visualize them anyways. |
| 05:23.34 | misterpull | yeah. i always use .6 for the conversion |
| 05:23.43 | Hhhhh | it was just a "thumbs up" |
| 05:23.54 | Hhhhh | heh, wrong channel (stupid mirc) |
| 05:24.02 | misterpull | i guess for 10000 km there is a greater margin of error |
| 05:24.13 | roscivs | I never think of it as .6 ... decimals and fractions always mess me up. |
| 05:24.23 | misterpull | google calculator is my friend |
| 05:24.31 | roscivs | That too :-) |
| 05:25.07 | tensai | ibot makes a handy calculator, and it stimulates interesting conversation :) |
| 05:25.09 | misterpull | i did plenty of coversions in my physics classes... now I just cheat with google |
| 05:27.41 | roscivs | http://www.google.com/search?q=two+pi+times+the+radius+of+the+earth+divided+by+half+the+speed+of+light |
| 05:28.18 | roscivs | If I'm not mistaken, that's your ping time for a game of Quake between here and Australia, |
| 05:28.26 | roscivs | theoretical limit given the laws of physics. |
| 05:29.37 | roscivs | wait, no, s/half/twice/ |
| 05:29.55 | roscivs | I thought it seemed high. |
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| 13:22.16 | Uncle_Jesse | hola |
| 13:24.18 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone here familiar with Seattle? |
| 13:24.36 | Uncle_Jesse | :-) |
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| 14:12.41 | hans | Uncle_Jesse: going to work for microsoft? |
| 14:15.15 | hans | sweet, india job posting |
| 14:15.20 | hans | anyone want to relocate to india? |
| 14:15.46 | hans | what about albuquerque? I saw a cool posting yesterday on the NMLUG for the scientific programmer sort |
| 14:17.33 | mheath | albuquerque is nice actually |
| 14:17.38 | mheath | my family used to live there |
| 14:17.43 | mheath | before I was born, unfortunately |
| 14:19.08 | tyce | seattle is gorgeous |
| 14:19.17 | mheath | man, why does cnn.com change they |
| 14:19.26 | mheath | their articles? |
| 14:19.50 | tyce | you have them on an RSS feed? |
| 14:20.22 | mheath | They'll just silently alter their articles in major ways. Change titles, change statements.. |
| 14:20.32 | mheath | Just in my firefox bookmarks. |
| 14:20.37 | tyce | yeah |
| 14:20.58 | mheath | I'm just saying... |
| 14:21.05 | tyce | they have a lot of gramatical/spelling errors in their articles too |
| 14:21.30 | mheath | if they mess up, they should fix the problem with a written retraction, not pretend like it didn't happen |
| 14:21.41 | mheath | I was just looking at an updated version of the Missing Boy Scount article |
| 14:21.56 | mheath | The original one said he was found by horseback searchers, the new one says ATV riders found him |
| 14:22.06 | roscivs | They found him? |
| 14:22.08 | tyce | yeah, I noticed that slip too |
| 14:22.11 | tyce | yeah |
| 14:22.12 | tyce | alive |
| 14:22.19 | roscivs | That's awesome. |
| 14:22.32 | tyce | could been found days earlier |
| 14:22.39 | tyce | he was hiding from the searchers |
| 14:22.45 | roscivs | Really?? |
| 14:22.47 | roscivs | Why? |
| 14:22.54 | tyce | they were 'scary people' |
| 14:23.11 | roscivs | Weird. |
| 14:23.15 | roscivs | What kind of "scout" was this kid?? |
| 14:23.23 | tyce | he wasn't |
| 14:23.31 | tyce | he was up there as a guest |
| 14:23.49 | roscivs | Oh, that explains a lot. |
| 14:24.08 | tyce | funniest thing |
| 14:24.16 | tyce | .. the guy that found him... |
| 14:24.46 | tyce | in the interviews yesterday, he wouldn't take off his helmet and stuff cause he "didn't want to get caught up into the media circus" |
| 14:24.52 | tyce | but... |
| 14:25.13 | tyce | he was ok to fly across the country to New York to be on the Today show this morning. |
| 14:25.19 | tyce | :) |
| 14:25.34 | roscivs | Apparently he changed his mind about the "media circus" :-) |
| 14:25.39 | tyce | true that |
| 14:25.59 | tyce | can't really blame him though... free trip to NY |
| 14:26.10 | mheath | I've got my driver's license road test today.... |
| 14:26.30 | mheath | Watch out ;) |
| 14:26.42 | roscivs | I'll remember to stay off the roads :-) |
| 14:26.46 | roscivs | (And the sidewalks ...) |
| 14:26.51 | mheath | haha |
| 14:26.56 | tyce | if you don't like the way mheath drives, stay off the sidewalks. |
| 14:27.11 | mheath | This is actually going to be kinda cool. I have my practice permit, so I've been driving with my dad for a while.... |
| 14:27.23 | mheath | But people avoid those driver's ed-marked cars like the plague |
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| 14:34.45 | Uncle_Jesse | hans: no - got a message on my voicemail this morning from Whitepages from a recruiter wanting me to work for Whitepages.com |
| 14:34.45 | Uncle_Jesse | not sure how he got my work number |
| 14:34.47 | Uncle_Jesse | I haven't had that happen in years - people must be right that we're about to go through another boom |
| 14:35.37 | roscivs | Maybe it was really your current employer. It was just a test :-) |
| 14:40.09 | Uncle_Jesse | lol |
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| 14:59.36 | hans | "An experimental craft using the Sun's light for propulsion is either flying through space or smashed to pieces." |
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| 15:04.28 | vontrapp | hans: what's that? |
| 15:05.07 | hans | from google news |
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| 15:07.59 | vontrapp | mheath: no, i just cut them off, just like everyone else :-P |
| 15:08.17 | mheath | hahaha |
| 15:08.25 | Uncle_Jesse | ~ping Jayce^ |
| 15:08.25 | ibot | pong Jayce^ |
| 15:08.36 | Jayce^ | ~beat Uncle_Jesse |
| 15:08.37 | ibot | ACTION beats Uncle_Jesse with a large stick. |
| 15:08.42 | Jayce^ | that felt good |
| 15:08.43 | Uncle_Jesse | Hey Jayce^ aren't you from somewhere around Seattle? |
| 15:09.00 | Uncle_Jesse | Or was it Portland? |
| 15:09.51 | Uncle_Jesse | ~shoot Jayce^ |
| 15:09.51 | ibot | ACTION shoots Jayce^ in the foot with a spitwad! |
| 15:09.54 | Jayce^ | yes |
| 15:09.58 | Jayce^ | Seattle area |
| 15:10.12 | Uncle_Jesse | Are there a lot of earthquakes there? |
| 15:10.31 | mheath | Bah, I wish I had practiced parallel parking more..... |
| 15:10.57 | mheath | I never *needed* it. |
| 15:11.11 | mheath | Never had any need to park on a packed curb |
| 15:11.12 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: get a Prius - you never will need it :-) |
| 15:11.21 | mheath | Uncle_Jesse: hahaha. |
| 15:11.36 | mheath | My car is horrible :( |
| 15:11.52 | mheath | 1998 Dodge Neon |
| 15:12.33 | Jayce^ | not many |
| 15:12.39 | mheath | Heh, theres a 1971 Porsche 914/6 sitting right next to it, though. I've gotten to drive that once. |
| 15:12.49 | Jayce^ | I barely remember any, and they were all <3 |
| 15:13.02 | Jayce^ | supposedly they're waay overdue for a big one.. |
| 15:13.30 | Uncle_Jesse | trying to decide if I should look into a job over there |
| 15:14.02 | hans | they were all hearts? |
| 15:14.24 | vontrapp | mheath: just go to byu, then you'll need parallel parking |
| 15:14.31 | Uncle_Jesse | A guy called me up out of the blue this morning wanting me to work for whitepages.com |
| 15:14.36 | Uncle_Jesse | based in Seattle |
| 15:16.01 | levi | Mmm, Seattle. |
| 15:17.03 | Uncle_Jesse | I just want to be sure I'm nice and safe if I move there |
| 15:17.23 | JoshH | you would be safe, but you might be poor. |
| 15:17.36 | JoshH | depending on whether you wanted a long commute or not |
| 15:17.55 | Uncle_Jesse | If I want 68k in Utah, how much should I look for in Seattle? |
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| 15:18.44 | JoshH | not sure exactly, but significantly more for sure. are they right in seattle or in a suburb? |
| 15:19.37 | Uncle_Jesse | JoshH: not sure - I'm just trying to decide if it's worth even calling the guy back for now |
| 15:19.42 | hans | anyone used imap synchronizer(s) before? |
| 15:21.35 | JoshH | Uncle_Jesse: if you werent looking to move already, i would only do it if they would pay a lot more, but if moving isnt a big deal for you, then i would do it for sure. :) |
| 15:22.43 | Jayce^ | Depends on what area in seattle |
| 15:23.55 | Uncle_Jesse | JoshH: thanks |
| 15:24.17 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: I'll have to find out |
| 15:24.47 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm just casually looking right now anyway. I enjoy my job, but am always open if someone can offer me better. |
| 15:25.19 | Uncle_Jesse | I do miss the West though |
| 15:25.38 | JoshH | it doesnt get any more west than seattle, heh |
| 15:25.50 | Uncle_Jesse | lol |
| 15:25.53 | mheath | ;) |
| 15:25.57 | JoshH | well, in the mainland |
| 15:27.14 | scott | how are you supposed to activate alternative style sheets in firefox? (or IE) |
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| 15:28.40 | mrpull | view | page style ? |
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| 15:35.39 | mheath | Isn't that a newer feature to Firefox? |
| 15:35.47 | mheath | The ability to switch style sheets |
| 15:36.11 | vontrapp | scott: you need a title attribute in the <link> |
| 15:36.19 | mheath | I know Gecko supported that for ages, because other Gecko-based browsers have been able to for ages. I just don't remember ever seeing that in firefox in the past.. |
| 15:36.45 | vontrapp | you can have multiple styles under each title, and all the ones with that title will be loaded for that 'alternative style' |
| 15:37.06 | vontrapp | i think there's also a way to do it in the css file, but i don't know it |
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| 16:35.59 | Jayce^ | anybody else here on linkedIn ? |
| 16:37.22 | decriptor | ?what is linkedIn |
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| 16:38.42 | Jayce^ | linkedin.com if you want an invite (don't have to have one) I can send it |
| 16:38.48 | Jayce^ | basically, business networking |
| 16:38.55 | Jayce^ | orkut without the crap spam stuff |
| 16:39.06 | Jayce^ | just business relationships, finding contractors and stuff |
| 16:39.10 | Jayce^ | pretty handy |
| 16:39.12 | hans | so, is gentoo's minimal CD just about worthless then? |
| 16:39.15 | decriptor | why would you want an invite |
| 16:39.27 | Jayce^ | decriptor, so you start with at least one person in your network :) |
| 16:39.30 | Jayce^ | not an orphan |
| 16:39.48 | decriptor | ah why not send me an invite |
| 16:39.52 | Jayce^ | which email? |
| 16:39.57 | mheath | hans: why would it be worthless? O.o |
| 16:40.18 | mheath | The only advantage the bigger one has is you don't have to download a couple of files |
| 16:40.20 | mrpull | a crazy ex coworker (who sends all of the virus hoaxes etc) sent a linkedin invite to me |
| 16:40.24 | mheath | But the files on the CD are outdated, anyway |
| 16:40.36 | mrpull | i dismissed it quickly |
| 16:41.02 | hans | mheath: well, according to this here handbook I have to download half the internet |
| 16:41.20 | hans | I was ok with downloading the stage tarball, and the portage tarball |
| 16:41.20 | mheath | hans: nope |
| 16:41.37 | mheath | You have to get a stage tarball and the portage tarball |
| 16:41.37 | Jayce^ | mrpull, yeah, I'd avoid those too :) |
| 16:41.40 | hans | ok, then maybe you can explain the next step |
| 16:41.46 | hans | because stuff ain't there. |
| 16:41.57 | mheath | if you use the portage tarballs off the CD, you'll be downloading more than you would by downloading the portage tarball |
| 16:42.01 | mheath | hans: sure |
| 16:42.09 | mheath | hans: what's it say the next step is? |
| 16:42.20 | hans | Copy Source Code Archives |
| 16:42.21 | hans | You also need to copy over all source code from the Universal Installation CD. |
| 16:42.29 | hans | oops, no source code |
| 16:42.44 | mheath | hans: link? |
| 16:42.52 | mheath | I've never seen anything that says taht |
| 16:42.59 | mheath | and I've walked through the gentoo install guides many times |
| 16:43.03 | hans | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/2005.0/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=5 |
| 16:43.12 | hans | then we chroot |
| 16:43.22 | hans | (ignoring that "step") |
| 16:44.04 | mheath | And you have a Universal Installation CD? |
| 16:44.09 | hans | then on chapter 7 (configure kernel) there's no timezone stuff in /usr/share/zoneinfo, the kernel fails to build |
| 16:44.14 | hans | no, we have the minimal CD |
| 16:44.51 | mheath | woah |
| 16:44.59 | mheath | one sec, this guide has changed since I last used the x86 one |
| 16:45.01 | mheath | one sec |
| 16:45.17 | hans | maybe the timezone stuff is a red herring |
| 16:45.36 | hans | also the source stuff - maybe portage can download what it needs alreadY? |
| 16:46.09 | mheath | One sec, I'll tell you hwo to do it |
| 16:46.17 | mheath | hans: well, yeah |
| 16:46.22 | mheath | but you still need a portage snapshot |
| 16:46.40 | hans | we did get one of those |
| 16:46.53 | mheath | There was one on the CD? |
| 16:46.56 | hans | and untarred it per the instructions ( to /mnt/gentoo/user) |
| 16:47.07 | hans | no, we downloaded it, and the stage1 tarball |
| 16:47.20 | mheath | Oh, OK |
| 16:47.28 | mheath | just ignore the Copy Source Code Archives, then |
| 16:47.41 | hans | ok. you listening jebar? |
| 16:48.13 | jebar | yes |
| 16:48.22 | hans | (jebar is the driver. ;-) |
| 16:48.29 | hans | I'm the ranter |
| 16:52.20 | mheath | Gentoos install instructions have gotten more confusing... |
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| 16:55.45 | Jayce^ | that's 'cause the main guy went to microsoft :) |
| 16:56.06 | linuxalien | lol |
| 16:56.16 | linuxalien | I installed Gentoo just a couple of days ago...it's up and running. |
| 16:56.31 | linuxalien | I don't make sense sometimes so maybe that's why I got the instructions. |
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| 17:00.20 | hans | i think we may have found our foible and got back on track for now |
| 17:06.05 | levi | hans: Why are you installing Gentoo? |
| 17:06.21 | Jayce^ | masochist |
| 17:06.34 | Jayce^ | or sadist wrt his protoge :) |
| 17:07.17 | hans | it's an education experience for jebar :) |
| 17:08.10 | tensai | poor, poor jebar |
| 17:08.50 | levi | "This is why you never want to install Gentoo." |
| 17:09.08 | tensai | working with hans *and* gentoo. how cruel are the fates |
| 17:09.08 | linuxalien | Gentoo isn't that hard to install usually. |
| 17:09.19 | linuxalien | :) |
| 17:11.33 | vontrapp | is there a way to make a block level element to be as wide as it's contents and not as wide as it's containing element? |
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| 17:23.36 | hans | tensai: even crueler than that - we get to use rhel here too |
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| 17:36.22 | beandog | Whats the best way to lock /etc/resolv.conf so it doesnt reset on boot? |
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| 17:39.04 | Jayce^ | most dhcp clients have an option to not clobber that |
| 17:39.24 | Jayce^ | or use one you specify |
| 17:39.33 | emcnabb | beandog, what distro? |
| 17:39.41 | Jayce^ | ~paint emcnabb |
| 17:39.41 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on emcnabb |
| 17:40.03 | beandog | kubuntu |
| 17:40.09 | beandog | dhclient.conf? |
| 17:40.12 | beandog | Im guesing. |
| 17:41.00 | beandog | Im setting up linux on some call center boxes .. dont want them to get on the net |
| 17:42.17 | beandog | poop, it even rewrote that. |
| 17:42.25 | beandog | oh, no it didnt. |
| 17:42.36 | hans | is there a way to procmail on things already delivered? i.e. move things out of a Maildir into another Maildir |
| 17:43.31 | beandog | Basically I wanna get an assigned ip, but not their dns servers |
| 17:43.50 | Jayce^ | well, you can manage that on the dhcp server side |
| 17:43.53 | Jayce^ | that's easier |
| 17:44.04 | beandog | the dhcp server is a windows box |
| 17:44.15 | beandog | I cant even get it to reserve ip addresses |
| 17:44.21 | Jayce^ | in that case ... s/easier/PITA/ |
| 17:44.26 | beandog | lols |
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| 17:45.32 | hans | beandog: you might need to switch dhcp clients, some make that very easy and some make it very difficult |
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| 17:47.01 | beandog | well, long term, I will, but I cant right now. |
| 17:47.06 | beandog | Its also our Active Directory server. |
| 17:48.16 | beandog | I could write a local startup script to execute it |
| 17:48.24 | beandog | but I dont know how ubuntu's rc structure works |
| 17:48.29 | beandog | execute, I mean fix. |
| 17:50.42 | mrpull | why is having a valid DNS server a negative thing? |
| 17:51.01 | beandog | they arent suppoed to be on the net |
| 17:51.16 | mrpull | security through obscurity ? |
| 17:51.43 | beandog | its better than trying to figure out how to fix Windows to do its job. |
| 17:52.25 | mrpull | wouldn't a transparent proxy be a better way to attack it? |
| 17:52.31 | beandog | dhclient is pulling in two name servers. I just need one. |
| 17:52.53 | beandog | Probably, but I dont know how to set those up either, and I dont have a linux box acting as a router between them |
| 17:53.08 | beandog | Although I guess it doesnt need a router |
| 17:53.16 | beandog | Point is -- this is gonna be the fastest way to get it up and working |
| 17:53.19 | levi | What's the gnome daemon that tracks filesystem mods and triggers updates in the file manager? |
| 17:53.23 | beandog | I can figure out the right way tomorrow. |
| 17:53.41 | mrpull | and when they figure out they can go to their favorite sites by IP address? |
| 17:54.00 | beandog | The nameserver theyre using wont even get them on the net. |
| 17:54.13 | beandog | Theyre hitting the intranet |
| 17:55.20 | beandog | doh |
| 17:55.21 | beandog | youre right. |
| 17:55.23 | beandog | dang. |
| 17:55.33 | beandog | I better setup a proxy. |
| 17:55.51 | beandog | any suggestions? |
| 17:57.04 | beandog | Even then, they could just turn off the proxy in the browser. |
| 17:57.17 | beandog | So am I just totally screwed? |
| 17:57.39 | hans | if you just want them to be on the intranet and not the internet, then just put them on their own subnet and have a simple firewall roule that keeps them contained. |
| 18:01.17 | beandog | um |
| 18:01.22 | beandog | ok |
| 18:01.32 | beandog | How would that work |
| 18:02.51 | levi | Anyone have any idea what I'm talking about? |
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| 18:04.46 | hans | levi: don't know about gnome, but maybe it uses fam? |
| 18:04.53 | hans | or maybe you want to use fam |
| 18:05.15 | mrpull | beandog: it may be a question to pose to the mailing lists |
| 18:05.17 | beandog | How would a diffrent subnet help |
| 18:05.22 | beandog | bueno |
| 18:05.27 | levi | Yes, fam is what I was trying to find. |
| 18:05.30 | levi | Thanks. |
| 18:05.30 | mrpull | it's more than a 2 or 3 sentence answer |
| 18:05.59 | beandog | Well, it turned into a big question. |
| 18:06.02 | beandog | ah well. |
| 18:06.05 | beandog | thanks guys |
| 18:06.21 | beandog | I dont know *how* they did it on the windows ones now that I think about it. |
| 18:06.34 | beandog | I think they manually foobarred the dns servers or something ... who knows. |
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| 18:09.00 | chrisvv | Newsome, would u give me a hand on uml_switch ? |
| 18:09.11 | beandog | Well, just checked. |
| 18:09.13 | beandog | It was the same thing. |
| 18:09.25 | beandog | So ... security by obscurity is fine for now til I find a better solution |
| 18:10.22 | chrisvv | para que son los dispositivos tap? |
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| 19:02.35 | hans | mheath: now we're to the change root password step and passwd is saying "No such file" |
| 19:02.39 | hans | /etc/passwd exists |
| 19:03.01 | tensai | hans: /etc/shadow? |
| 19:03.16 | *** topic/#utah by tensai -> UPHPU Tonight, 7pm, LinuxNetworx, "Basic Linux network security, troubleshooting & tips" by bigdog_ut and dataw0lf | The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. |
| 19:04.28 | hans | tensai: yes, /etc/shadow exists |
| 19:04.31 | jsmith | tensai: Wasn't the UPHPU meeting last night? |
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| 19:04.51 | tensai | jsmith: you're right |
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| 19:16.30 | hans | ok, so there is no passwd |
| 19:16.45 | hans | as in the executable |
| 19:16.56 | hans | what gentoo package is it in? emerge passwd is no help |
| 19:19.49 | levi | hans: Is this really a useful learning experience? ;) |
| 19:19.59 | linuxalien | you can try emerge -s passwd or maybe it's in a generic utility package |
| 19:20.14 | linuxalien | google helps and searching the forums helps too. |
| 19:20.24 | hans | linuxalien: so does asking in irc |
| 19:20.39 | hans | I thought we had a plethora of gentoo diehards |
| 19:20.54 | linuxalien | Yeah, but some people whine if you don't do a search on the forums AND google first. |
| 19:21.05 | dataw0lf | they're probably offline waiting for their installs to finish, hans. |
| 19:21.18 | hans | :) |
| 19:21.22 | dataw0lf | ;) |
| 19:21.34 | dataw0lf | so, there's no passwd command, or no /etc/passwd file? |
| 19:21.43 | hans | no passwd command |
| 19:22.32 | hans | and we're also having trouble emerging stuff. just about everything depends on db-4* which fails to build because /lib/cpp fails sanity check (I've seen this elsewhere - seems to be a recent and annoying failure of configure scripts on newer gcc) |
| 19:22.43 | dataw0lf | you've already done a 'emerge system' I assume. |
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| 19:24.37 | hans | no, and we were never told to by the installation manual |
| 19:24.40 | hans | (doing now) |
| 19:24.40 | beandog | emerge shadow |
| 19:24.57 | beandog | that'll give you passwd |
| 19:25.02 | jebar | same error |
| 19:25.19 | beandog | Whats the error? Just got here. |
| 19:25.40 | beandog | are you bootstrapping or something |
| 19:25.42 | dataw0lf | you won't have passwd until you emerge system |
| 19:25.45 | hans | emerge system and emerge shadow both are also failing with the error. jebar is typing it in |
| 19:25.49 | jebar | C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 19:26.10 | hans | (that's in configure of db-4.5.2...) |
| 19:26.14 | jebar | sys-libs/db-4.2.52_p2 failed |
| 19:26.33 | beandog | Is it doing it just on that package? |
| 19:26.41 | hans | nope, on just about everything |
| 19:26.49 | beandog | Are you setting up a new install? |
| 19:26.55 | hans | brand spankin' |
| 19:27.01 | beandog | what stage |
| 19:27.04 | hans | 1 |
| 19:27.39 | beandog | did you run bootstrap.sh already |
| 19:27.45 | levi | stage one gentoo with NAWWSSSSSS! |
| 19:27.45 | hans | gentoo forum "A: This problem is very probably caused by the lack of kernel headers on your system. " |
| 19:28.07 | hans | no |
| 19:28.25 | beandog | how far are you in the install |
| 19:28.30 | beandog | gotta bootstrap. |
| 19:28.53 | hans | man, we are obviously reading the wrong installatino manual |
| 19:28.59 | beandog | where are you? |
| 19:29.02 | beandog | which manual you using |
| 19:29.14 | dataw0lf | see, should've just stayed with the safety and intelligence of Debian. That'll teach yah. |
| 19:29.20 | hans | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/2005.0/handbook-x86.xml?part=0&chap=0 |
| 19:29.22 | beandog | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1 |
| 19:30.11 | beandog | So youre chrooted into your new install I take it |
| 19:30.15 | hans | oh yes |
| 19:30.17 | beandog | Did you setup make.conf |
| 19:30.31 | hans | we got to step 8 |
| 19:31.04 | hans | with a bit of surpassable trouble |
| 19:31.05 | beandog | Did you do 6.c |
| 19:31.24 | hans | do YOU see a 6.c in the manual we were reading? |
| 19:31.35 | beandog | Hoo boy. |
| 19:31.48 | beandog | If you missed boostrap, run that |
| 19:31.51 | beandog | cd /usr/portage |
| 19:31.53 | beandog | scripts/bootstrap.sh |
| 19:31.58 | beandog | Step away for a few hours. |
| 19:32.58 | dataw0lf | yeah, I don't see a 6.c either. |
| 19:33.07 | beandog | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1 |
| 19:33.11 | beandog | all on one page |
| 19:33.22 | beandog | progressing from stage1 to stage2 |
| 19:33.45 | dataw0lf | that doesn't explain why there isn't a 6.c in the one hans posted. |
| 19:33.45 | beandog | make sure you setup /etc/locales.build first if you haven't |
| 19:33.52 | beandog | the other one is per chapter |
| 19:34.03 | beandog | its the same guide |
| 19:34.07 | hans | beandog: no it's not |
| 19:34.13 | hans | we're looking at the 2005.0 version |
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| 19:34.36 | dataw0lf | beandog: it's not the same guide, it's missing half of 6, at least. |
| 19:34.38 | hans | but happy to look at the obviously superior version |
| 19:34.52 | vontrapp | hans, looks like you're on the wrong manual |
| 19:34.53 | beandog | Oh. |
| 19:34.58 | beandog | well it *should* be the same. |
| 19:34.59 | vontrapp | beandog's link has full=1 |
| 19:35.07 | beandog | I always look at the one page thingie ... sorry |
| 19:35.15 | hans | well I downloaded the 2005.0 minimal CD, I figured I should read the 2005.0 manual |
| 19:35.31 | hans | but obviously the documentation for gentoo is degrading |
| 19:35.38 | beandog | Ah |
| 19:35.40 | beandog | I see what youre saying |
| 19:35.59 | beandog | Actually the original docs were great. They were just the commands. |
| 19:36.37 | beandog | kinda like this |
| 19:36.37 | beandog | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-quickinstall.xml |
| 19:37.14 | beandog | well, not THAT sparse, but still. |
| 19:37.38 | beandog | Anyway, just go with the "Gentoo Handbook", not "Gentoo 2005.0 Handbook" |
| 19:38.45 | hans | roger. thanks for putting us on track. |
| 19:39.20 | vontrapp | yeah, looks like your manual was a stage3 install, hans |
| 19:40.39 | synic | xilch|w: wouldn't it be cool if you were on jabber? |
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| 19:55.09 | levi_ | Stupid worthless UPS. |
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| 20:08.42 | mheath | I need a new UPS myself |
| 20:09.08 | mheath | the batteries in this are rechargable, but over time they lose the length the charge lasts.. |
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| 20:10.17 | mheath | I'm leaving. Going to take my road test, get my drivers license :) |
| 20:11.25 | levi | Have fun. |
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| 20:29.10 | xbmodder_lappy | would anyone here trade windows x64 for windows x32 pro |
| 20:30.12 | xbmodder_lappy | please |
| 20:30.15 | mrpull | xbmodder_lappy: maybe microsoft will |
| 20:30.21 | mrpull | https://microsoft.productorder.com/clientx64/default.aspx |
| 20:30.40 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 20:30.45 | xbmodder_lappy | but that says in the last tso weeks |
| 20:30.47 | mrpull | ...but?... |
| 20:31.17 | xbmodder_lappy | two |
| 20:31.24 | xbmodder_lappy | but i bought it 3 weeks ago. |
| 20:31.33 | xbmodder_lappy | i'll try to fool M$ |
| 20:31.39 | xbmodder_lappy | thanks alot though. |
| 20:31.42 | mrpull | were is the last two weeks part? |
| 20:31.57 | mrpull | I see 3/31/03 thru 7/31/2005 |
| 20:33.01 | xbmodder_lappy | when did winodws 64 bit come out? |
| 20:33.19 | mrpull | uh... recently |
| 20:34.25 | xbmodder_lappy | hehe |
| 20:34.30 | xbmodder_lappy | after apri 5th |
| 20:45.37 | vontrapp | ~rain |
| 20:45.37 | ibot | Seattle has too much of it this year! |
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| 20:49.17 | slag | meh |
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| 20:49.45 | mrpull | who is slag? s/he seems very insightful. |
| 20:51.27 | tensai | slag's a troll. shows up now and again |
| 20:51.39 | tensai | likes to rag on mormons |
| 20:51.48 | mrpull | ahh... |
| 20:52.04 | roscivs | Not a very successful troll, it seems. |
| 20:52.49 | levi | http://fun.drno.de/pics/nervous%3F%20drunken%3F.jpg |
| 20:53.04 | roscivs | whoa. |
| 20:53.06 | roscivs | nice. |
| 20:53.38 | mrpull | levi: that is pretty good |
| 20:54.06 | mrpull | are there any bigger versions? |
| 20:54.23 | levi | Not that I know of. Just came across the link on another channel. |
| 20:55.07 | mrpull | waaay back in the day someone had a screensaver that dynamically made images similar to that. it was super fluid and very trippy |
| 20:55.07 | tensai | levi: was that #drunk? |
| 20:55.20 | roscivs | How about this one: |
| 20:55.20 | roscivs | http://images.flabber.nl/rotsnake.gif |
| 20:55.23 | mrpull | i never got the name of it and havent been able to find anything similar to it |
| 20:55.28 | levi | No. #lisp :) |
| 20:55.42 | roscivs | I think that one's great. (Note: gif is not animated.) |
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| 21:04.46 | xbmodder_lappy | people are so ignorant |
| 21:04.57 | xbmodder_lappy | hmm |
| 21:05.15 | xbmodder_lappy | do you know any linux distros that can figt on less then 7 floppies |
| 21:05.27 | roscivs | How much of a distro do you want? |
| 21:06.06 | roscivs | You might try muLinux: |
| 21:06.06 | roscivs | http://mulinux.sunsite.dk/ |
| 21:06.39 | mrpull | trinux? |
| 21:08.42 | gthornock | I haven't used a floppy distro for much of anything since Knoppix appeared. The last one I did use was tomsrtbt. |
| 21:09.26 | gthornock | http://www.toms.net/rb/ |
| 21:09.39 | mrpull | I forgot about tomsrtbt. Knoppix is a godsend. |
| 21:11.40 | gthornock | Truly. |
| 21:12.26 | mrpull | i surprised trinux is still around |
| 21:13.09 | mrpull | that was one of the earliest distros i tinkered with |
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| 21:15.34 | levi | My first one was SLS. |
| 21:16.14 | xbmodder_lappy | its for some ancient MAC |
| 21:16.48 | gthornock | Anymore, if I needed something lighter than Knoppix, I'd probably use Damn Small or Feather Linux. But neither of those will fit on floppies. |
| 21:17.31 | gthornock | Wait, you need a distro for a Mac? |
| 21:17.52 | levi | Huh. Apparently the SLS guy also did LFS. |
| 21:18.02 | roscivs | Well, that changes things entirely. |
| 21:18.08 | hans | I was going to do LFS once. |
| 21:18.16 | hans | had a flaky CPU though |
| 21:18.24 | levi | Or maybe I'm confused by the wording on this page. |
| 21:22.47 | levi | I'll bet no one else here used SLS. |
| 21:24.21 | Jayce^ | I looked over my friends shoulder while they used it :) |
| 21:24.31 | Jayce^ | I couldn't put it on the family machine back then |
| 21:26.29 | mrpull | again... Knoppix (and family) is a godsend :) |
| 21:26.34 | levi | Yeah, I used the funky filesystem that let you install on a DOS partition. |
| 21:26.42 | gthornock | I never tried SLS. My first Linux was Slackware, on a 486. |
| 21:26.56 | levi | I think my second install was Slackware. |
| 21:27.00 | mrpull | slackzip was cool for that... |
| 21:27.05 | mrpull | zipslack? cant remember |
| 21:27.24 | levi | And then I switched to Debian. |
| 21:27.54 | mrpull | i bought some redhat books with the CD's inside |
| 21:28.14 | Jayce^ | my first linux on my own box was an early caldera (coming from bsd) |
| 21:33.54 | Bradipo | Jayce^: When are you coming back to BSD? :-) |
| 21:43.17 | Bradipo | Has anyone ever setup RADIUS to provide MAC address filtering to a WAP? |
| 21:43.32 | vontrapp | ah, i remmeber loadlin |
| 21:50.42 | goozbach | I was force-fed a redhat book from the SCBC |
| 21:50.48 | goozbach | I'm glad it happend |
| 21:51.58 | etahhhh | sometimes you don't realize you have a bad taste in your mouth until you try a different flavor |
| 21:52.55 | etahhhh | same thing applies to dating |
| 21:53.25 | goozbach | heh... |
| 21:57.16 | tapH20guru | anyone up for hackaday meetings in the SLC area? |
| 22:12.34 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, running osx on this box :) |
| 22:13.04 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you leaning on emcnabb to make him join us saturday? |
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| 22:17.09 | goozbach | emcnabb: join us... |
| 22:17.30 | goozbach | and together we will pummel the Jayce^... as CoWorkers... |
| 22:17.37 | goozbach | </jej> |
| 22:18.04 | Jayce^ | ~taunt emcnabb |
| 22:18.49 | goozbach | emcnabb: you know you want too |
| 22:19.17 | goozbach | Jayce^: I'd physically be leaning on him if I were in the same state. |
| 22:19.31 | goozbach | unfortunatly I'm in AZ right now |
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| 22:23.36 | Jayce^ | so, I know a few of us are planning on hitting the speedball brush a little more this time :) better have plenty of paint :) |
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| 22:32.21 | synic | xilch|w: jabbermon |
| 22:32.45 | xilch|w | weirdo |
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