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| 06:07.34 | linuxalien | Hey, check out www.techradiolive.com - it's utah radio online...in ogg format as well as mp3 and win media. |
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| 06:07.49 | linuxalien | I think they posted to the oalug forum once... :) |
| 06:24.26 | xbmodder | hey |
| 06:26.27 | linuxalien | hiya |
| 06:26.30 | linuxalien | Was just headed to bed |
| 06:26.34 | linuxalien | nite |
| 06:26.46 | linuxalien | i'd chat but gotta get up at 5:30am |
| 06:42.04 | xbmodder | ouch |
| 06:49.15 | Hhhhh | hey xbmodder |
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| 07:12.26 | xbmodder | hey |
| 07:12.30 | xbmodder | how are you? |
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| 07:21.12 | Hhhhh | very well, just playing with FC4 |
| 07:21.18 | Hhhhh | getting things to work in it |
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| 14:57.17 | levi | Good morning. |
| 14:57.35 | dataw0lf|w | morning |
| 14:59.39 | RyanE | morning |
| 14:59.55 | levi | Wassup? |
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| 16:01.26 | hans | anyone speak ram? |
| 16:01.38 | hans | CM47SD1024R-2100/Y |
| 16:01.42 | hans | 014644 |
| 16:01.49 | hans | PC2100R-25330-C1 |
| 16:02.03 | hans | it's pc2100 but how big? |
| 16:05.02 | hans | it says this on the chips themselves: NT5DS64M4AT-7K |
| 16:07.13 | levi | Hmm, the recent BBC Philharmonic performance of Beethoven's Symphony #5 is a little faster than I'm used to. |
| 16:07.47 | hans | levi: people have a hard time with beethoven's symphonies, I think. I have only heard one or two renditions of #9 that I like |
| 16:08.06 | levi | I kinda like it fast. |
| 16:08.24 | hans | most take 9 way way way too slow |
| 16:08.51 | hans | or don't vary the tempo (a steady and unvarying clip is no better) |
| 16:08.52 | levi | It bugs me when music is too slow. |
| 16:09.32 | levi | Some days, the music at church drives me absolutely nuts. It's like we're singing funeral dirges or something. |
| 16:14.14 | RyanE | my mom used to complain about that as well. |
| 16:14.19 | vontrapp | yeah, beethoven takes a certain level of artistic interpretation before it's remotely interesting to me |
| 16:14.31 | RyanE | she was leading the singing in Church, and tried to speed it up, but the organ player refused to follow her tempo. |
| 16:14.34 | vontrapp | just playing the score doesn't cut it |
| 16:15.44 | hans | RyanE: refused, or couldn't? |
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| 16:20.19 | decriptor | good morning everyone |
| 16:23.06 | emcnabb | http://www.merkeylaw.com/ |
| 16:31.02 | tensai | emcnabb: so, who is Jeffrey Vernon Merkey, who is he suing and why do we care? |
| 16:32.13 | decriptor | he has a small list on the left side |
| 16:32.24 | decriptor | but who is he? |
| 16:32.35 | decriptor | and I second the why do we care? |
| 16:32.47 | tensai | I see mention of him in relation to lklm |
| 16:32.55 | tensai | s/lklm/lkml/ |
| 16:33.21 | RyanE | hans: I'm guessing she was just used to not following the conductor other than when to start and when to end. |
| 16:33.57 | hans | so incapable of following, because of habit. very common. :) also common is incapable of going the correct speed |
| 16:34.00 | tensai | http://www.kerneltraffic.org/kernel-traffic/kt20041117_284.html#1 |
| 16:34.26 | hans | particularly nasty in good pianist, who then don't feel the need to practice but gosh darn it the organ (with the feet) is harder |
| 16:39.55 | hans | what a nutcase |
| 16:40.16 | levi | Hmm, I used to hear talk about him several years ago at work, since we used his company's stuff. I don't recall much about it, though, and I don't think we've used his stuff in years, either. |
| 16:40.56 | levi | I have a vague impression that he was difficult to work with, but I don't know if it's well-founded. |
| 16:47.07 | tensai | levi: careful, you're going to get sued |
| 16:47.20 | levi | Heh. |
| 16:47.41 | levi | Hans first. He called him a nutcase. |
| 16:47.45 | hans | RyanE: my family has an old saying. the pianist is supposed to follow the conductor, but it's the conductor that looks stupid when he doesn't. |
| 16:48.36 | xbmodder | anyone here know german? |
| 16:48.38 | neybar | our organist likes to jazz things up. She is always changing key between verses or adding little trills here and there. It drives me up the wall |
| 16:48.43 | neybar | nein |
| 16:49.06 | hans | neybar: she sounds like a nutcase too. :) |
| 16:49.27 | hans | a talented nutcase |
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| 16:50.07 | neybar | indeed, when she is isn't playing hymns she is excellent. |
| 16:51.16 | levi | Changing keys would drive me nuts. That assumes everyone who's singing non-melody parts can transpose in their head or pick out their part, and I generally suck at both of those. |
| 16:52.13 | neybar | well, no one in my ward sings very loudly because if it. No one wants to be heard singing the wrong note |
| 16:54.47 | hans | ah, merkey is the one who tried to buy the rights to linux |
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| 16:57.46 | RyanE | fortunately for me, I'm only leading the music in the nursery once a month, and we sing along to a CD. :) |
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| 17:12.25 | vontrapp | what do the numbers mean before the udev permission files? (e.g. /etc/udev/permissions.d/10-udev.permissions) |
| 17:12.58 | vontrapp | all i have is ...d/udev.permissions but google showed me some 10-udev... and 50-udev... |
| 17:13.05 | hans | numbers in a *.d directory usually are for sorting purposes |
| 17:13.09 | hans | run-parts runs them in ls order. |
| 17:13.26 | vontrapp | except there's nothing executable about the contents |
| 17:13.28 | hans | a la /etc/rc*.d |
| 17:13.44 | hans | they might be sourced or read in order, following that same convention |
| 17:13.58 | vontrapp | device_name:group:user:0### |
| 17:14.15 | vontrapp | any number of lines in that format |
| 17:14.23 | tensai | how do I test a variable in perl and see if it's an object? |
| 17:15.21 | vontrapp | so i should be just fine to put it in the unnumbered version? |
| 17:16.01 | hans | if there's numbers they're probably ordered, and ordering matters |
| 17:16.28 | tensai | if this is debian, udev.permissions is tagged as a conf-file so if you modify it dpkg won't overwrite it |
| 17:16.31 | vontrapp | except _my_ directory only has the one file with no number |
| 17:16.58 | hans | vontrapp: maybe other distros do the number thing, or maybe it's old and gone |
| 17:17.00 | vontrapp | tensai: oh, is that why they put the numbers? |
| 17:17.07 | hans | if you only have one file, just put it in there I'm sure. |
| 17:17.14 | vontrapp | to keep it from being stomped on? |
| 17:17.20 | hans | probably not |
| 17:17.21 | tensai | vontrapp: no, the numbers are just like hans says. some people use them for ordering. apparently debian doesn't. |
| 17:17.23 | hans | probably for ordering |
| 17:17.40 | hans | some distros like to make things more complicated than they need to be. |
| 17:17.42 | vontrapp | but, ordering makes no sense here |
| 17:17.48 | vontrapp | it's a conf file |
| 17:18.18 | vontrapp | ~lart non-debian |
| 17:18.25 | tensai | it's applying rules, some of which may conflict. let's say you have two rules to define permissions on a device. last one wins, right? depends on the ordering of them then. |
| 17:18.51 | vontrapp | um, so in the ONE file, you change the ONE rule for that device, no conflict |
| 17:19.26 | tensai | right, but if the package is upgraded it has to overwrite the file or do nothing. that's not great either. with multiple files, you can add your own without touching the package's conf file |
| 17:19.53 | tensai | if the package changes its rule, doesn't matter because your file which is parsed later will override it |
| 17:20.13 | hans | I have learned something this day. time to go hoe. |
| 17:20.16 | hans | home I mea |
| 17:20.17 | hans | n |
| 17:20.21 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 17:20.26 | vontrapp | link? |
| 17:20.38 | hans | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6931 |
| 17:20.54 | hans | I'm trying to become guru enough to say intelligent things about the I/O load on a server |
| 17:23.13 | tensai | nobody knows how to find out if a perl variable is an object? |
| 17:23.43 | hans | Jayce probably does. but he's not here |
| 17:23.47 | hans | ibot is your next best hope |
| 17:24.10 | tensai | ~how do I find out if a perl variable is an object? |
| 17:24.12 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, tensai |
| 17:24.19 | tensai | ~perl |
| 17:24.20 | ibot | i guess perl is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl or at http://www.perl.com, or a knitting stitch, or the Pathologically Eclectic rubbish Lister, or that other "P" language |
| 17:28.56 | goozbach | perldoc? |
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| 18:00.19 | hans | blast the US for not using A4. Then blast man for outputting A4 postscript |
| 18:00.40 | hans | anyone know of a nifty way to scale down a postscript file from a4 to letter |
| 18:00.51 | hans | or get man -t to output a postscript file with letter? |
| 18:01.18 | goozbach | ps2text | enscript |
| 18:01.19 | goozbach | ? |
| 18:01.25 | goozbach | not sure but it's worth a try |
| 18:01.41 | hans | goozbach: well, if I wanted to use enscript (and maybe I will) I could just pipe man into it |
| 18:04.01 | goozbach | true |
| 18:04.16 | goozbach | ghostscript++ |
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| 18:05.45 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 18:12.33 | goozbach | ohh |
| 18:12.51 | hans | hrm. still shows up as a4 in ghostscript. |
| 18:13.12 | hans | er, gv. maybe gv is the dumb one? |
| 18:16.59 | hans | I think it's groff that doesn't put in the %%DocumentPaperSizes thing, and gv defaults to A4, even though the postscript only really covers the area of letter |
| 18:17.03 | hans | or something. |
| 18:17.08 | hans | man -t iostat | psnup -n2 | lp |
| 18:47.37 | brandon | anyone seen the movie of the cracker device from spyanotherday.com? |
| 18:48.51 | brandon | .. dual ppc system that when connected to windows, mac, linux via usb can take over and brings up the environment as it last was on the device, sets up video, networking, and covers any trace that the device was connected to the host system... All smaller than an ipod. |
| 18:49.57 | brandon | the movie showing how a spy could attach it to various OS's and remove virus software from being sent out of the host machines.. It's a local company who makes the device. |
| 18:50.10 | brandon | james bond stlye movie.. |
| 18:52.53 | tensai | sounds dubious to me |
| 19:09.54 | tapH20guru | looks fake |
| 19:11.01 | vontrapp | i do remember something about a device that is basically a 'mobile workstation' that you run on a host maching, but nothing that would 'take over' a running machine and leave no trace |
| 19:14.03 | RyanE | esp. if my USB ports are turned off... something tells me it can't 'take over' when that's the case. |
| 19:15.13 | RyanE | there are USB devices that when you plugin, they run qemu or some other emulator, and create a desktop OS within the host os, and they 'leave no trace', etc., but 'take over the machine'? I don't think so. |
| 19:15.53 | tapH20guru | even then... if you have any network loggin, etc turned on it'll track that |
| 19:16.16 | tapH20guru | plus the OSX equiv to dmesg logs |
| 19:17.30 | RyanE | http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/usb-qemu.html |
| 19:18.14 | RyanE | yeah, I'm sure the 'guest OS' can see some stuff on the 'host OS', but if your USB is turned off, or it doesn't auto-run the boot process on the USB dongle, it's not 'automatically take over' that machine. |
| 19:20.11 | tapH20guru | hmm.. wonder if it can be hacked and maybe something like whoppix installed on it |
| 19:20.15 | tapH20guru | that would be useful |
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| 20:23.33 | levi | Is that the gadget Realm is making? |
| 20:25.16 | tensai | yes |
| 20:26.04 | levi | Those weasels stole a bunch of our employees. :) |
| 20:27.54 | levi | I can't figure out what the market for something like that is. |
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| 20:40.19 | tensai | levi: be sure to let us know when Realm goes belly up and they come crawling back |
| 20:40.38 | brandon | heh, maybe it's government funded, so will never die.. :) |
| 20:40.59 | levi | Well, I assume that /they/ have some idea of the market for it. |
| 20:41.37 | tensai | and they *did* get Jon Lovitz to hawk it |
| 20:42.11 | brandon | don't forget the whacha looking at willis kid ; ) |
| 20:44.08 | tensai | did you guys see when he hosted the screen savers? did a pretty good job. |
| 20:45.30 | levi | I have a new dream car. |
| 20:45.35 | levi | http://www.ariel.us.com/04/frames.htm |
| 20:46.10 | tensai | can you put a car seat in that? |
| 20:47.00 | levi | For a really fun intro to it, see the Top Gear segment on it: http://www.ariel.us.com/04/topgear.htm |
| 20:47.50 | levi | Well, it does have a passenger seat. |
| 20:48.11 | tensai | good. I can sell it to the wife as a family car. |
| 20:48.51 | levi | Just keep the kid well strapped-in, wouldn't want him/her to get sucked into the air intake. :) |
| 20:49.32 | tensai | or maybe I would... |
| 20:49.41 | tensai | ^H^H^H^H |
| 20:49.44 | tensai | ah, too late |
| 20:50.43 | levi | It weighs slightly over 1000lbs, and can be had with 300hp. Yow. :) |
| 20:51.42 | tensai | 1000lbs with or without passengers? |
| 20:51.51 | levi | Without. |
| 20:52.37 | levi | For a track-only car, I'd like one of these, when he's finished: http://dpcars.net/dp1bld/info.htm |
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| 20:57.44 | levi | But the Atom is actually street-legal. I so want one. |
| 20:59.56 | levi | $50k for the street-legal 220hp version, though. It'll have to wait until I'm rich. |
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| 22:00.44 | levi | What was the open source MMORPG that was mentioned here in the last couple of days? |
| 22:01.36 | vontrapp | planeshift |
| 22:01.50 | hans | ibot, shift the plane |
| 22:02.06 | vontrapp | ibot, plane hans' nose |
| 22:02.07 | ibot | ACTION lands on hans' nose's head using Bin Laden's private jet and the going backwards and ahead again |
| 22:02.32 | vontrapp | ?? |
| 22:03.40 | levi | vontrapp: You play it? |
| 22:20.15 | vontrapp | no |
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