| 00:11.12 | statik | Anyone know if openssh could be compiled to an so lib on obsd? |
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| 02:08.17 | chrisvv | Newsome, it seems it is workinng |
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| 02:08.43 | Maquis | ~lart goozbach |
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| 02:12.58 | Newsome | chrisvv: glad to hear it |
| 02:14.08 | chrisvv | but i still have a little problem ...it tells me that i cant open DISPLAY .... should i desactive xterm at source ? |
| 02:15.04 | Newsome | is it opening in the terminal you've started it in? |
| 02:15.06 | chrisvv | Newsome, but i still have a little problem ...it tells me that i cant open DISPLAY .... should i desactive xterm at source ? |
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| 02:18.39 | Maquis | james: hi |
| 02:18.51 | chrisvv | Newsome, it is working dude |
| 02:19.34 | chrisvv | Newsome, no it is not ... i closed the other and now i got a message saying fsck failed ...and the repair fs thing |
| 02:21.27 | MrSpud | I have a question, I'm not sure if it's an issue with X, or with Debian. |
| 02:23.10 | MrSpud | I've installed Debian 3.1 and upgraded to the 2.6 kernel, but I can't set my resolution higher than 800x600. |
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| 02:24.52 | MrSpud | Any ideas? |
| 02:25.13 | MrSpud | I |
| 02:26.42 | MrSpud | I've tried running base-config in an effort to reset the X settings, but I didn't see those options again. |
| 02:27.10 | levi | Sounds like you need to edit your XF86Config file. |
| 02:27.33 | MrSpud | where is that located? |
| 02:28.02 | levi | In /etc/X11 |
| 02:28.39 | MrSpud | Okay, I'm looking at it in an editor; what am I looking for? |
| 02:30.23 | levi | Well, probably the monitor Hsync and Vsync values. |
| 02:31.09 | MrSpud | First, I'm going to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and see if that fixes it. That's what I was looking for when I tried base-config... |
| 02:31.19 | levi | It could be something else, though. Maybe your resolutions just need to be changed. |
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| 02:37.39 | MrSpud | Near the end of the config process, it asked which resolutions I wanted to use. Sure enough, only 800x600 and 640x480 were selected. |
| 02:37.45 | chrisvv | Newsome, does UMLlinux receive signals ? |
| 02:37.57 | MrSpud | After selecting the right ones, I suppose I need only restart X, right? |
| 02:38.06 | levi | MrSpud: That probably has something to do with it. :) |
| 02:38.17 | chrisvv | Newsome, my process tables says i got a lot of linux processes runnig |
| 02:38.17 | MrSpud | sigh. Thanks. I hope this works. |
| 02:39.28 | Newsome | chrisvv: you're probably running in TT mode, which has a process on the host for each process in the UML |
| 02:39.39 | chrisvv | TT ? |
| 02:39.47 | Newsome | Tracinig Thread. |
| 02:40.01 | Newsome | You might look into patching the Host kernel with the SKAS patch |
| 02:40.05 | chrisvv | yeap i got a lot of test lines at the begining |
| 02:40.42 | chrisvv | if the host kernel were skas ...there woudnt run that much linux processess ? |
| 02:40.44 | Newsome | you can get info about the SKAS patch at http://www.user-mode-linux.org/~blaisorblade/ |
| 02:41.16 | chrisvv | yea i got my host kernel-skas ...but i didnt choose it at boot time :> |
| 02:41.17 | Newsome | right. It would run with just a few, and you'd probably see a big speedup as well |
| 02:41.45 | Newsome | did you compile in both TT and SKAS modes into the UML kernel? |
| 02:45.45 | chrisvv | yeap |
| 02:45.55 | chrisvv | is it bad ? |
| 02:46.07 | Newsome | it should run in SKAS by default if both are available |
| 02:46.17 | chrisvv | how to finish linux processes clean? signaling ? |
| 02:47.25 | Newsome | can you shutdown the UML? |
| 02:47.51 | chrisvv | nop |
| 02:48.03 | chrisvv | just cloing the xterm |
| 02:48.15 | Newsome | uml_mconsole |
| 02:48.47 | Newsome | you ought to be able to send a halt to stop everything |
| 02:50.56 | chrisvv | socket name ? |
| 02:52.32 | Newsome | probably ~/.uml/<something>/mconsole or something |
| 02:54.44 | chrisvv | what should i do if i want other instance of uml ? |
| 02:55.19 | chrisvv | should i use ubd1 ? |
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| 02:56.21 | Newsome | ubd1 would be a disk. You should have another copy of the root_fs, and run it with that. |
| 02:57.10 | chrisvv | and if i dont have another copy .... ? should i use ubd0 again ? |
| 02:57.12 | Newsome | also, pass "umid=uml1" or something to distinguish the two |
| 02:57.45 | chrisvv | is there any option to list the posible parameters to uml kernel ? |
| 02:58.01 | Newsome | ./linux --help |
| 02:58.10 | chrisvv | thanks |
| 02:59.55 | chrisvv | i need to fsck my Debian-3.0.ext2 .... is it going to be clean after host reboot? cause the Debian-3.0.ext2 is rw-rx-rx ? |
| 03:01.03 | chrisvv | Newsome, and i guess it should be writeable .... to be able to use as a server right ? |
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| 03:04.33 | Newsome | you're not making sense. If you reboot the host machine, that won't do anything for the root_fs image. And it looks like it _is_ writeable |
| 03:05.15 | Newsome | and you can always have a second UML just by copying your root_fs to another filename |
| 03:05.50 | chrisvv | you right ... i first call linux as the Debian-3.0.ext2 owner and closed it dirty |
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| 03:34.44 | homedad_ | where u all located |
| 03:35.02 | homedad_ | all in northern utah? |
| 03:36.11 | homedad_ | non talkers |
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| 03:37.18 | Maquis | wow... he didn't give us much time... |
| 03:38.20 | levi | Hi, Maquis! |
| 03:38.26 | Maquis | hi |
| 03:38.37 | levi | How's it going? |
| 03:38.42 | Maquis | ok |
| 03:39.31 | levi | That good, eh? |
| 03:39.46 | levi | Ready to get back to school? |
| 03:39.52 | Maquis | haha |
| 03:39.58 | Maquis | dunno... |
| 03:40.12 | Maquis | there are some things i really like about working at amazon, and some other things i'm not as excited about.. |
| 03:40.25 | Maquis | all in all, it's going pretty well, thogh |
| 03:40.36 | Maquis | i think actually the part i dislike the most is the commute |
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| 03:40.51 | Maquis | ~lart jakea |
| 03:41.02 | Maquis | what kind of a lart is that? |
| 03:41.09 | levi | Yeah. My big commute is to school. :/ |
| 03:41.19 | Maquis | :/ |
| 03:41.34 | Maquis | anyway, i got a couple things i need to get done before bed |
| 03:42.50 | dataw0lf | they let you sleep? lucky. |
| 03:42.56 | levi | Heh. The regular schedule of the workday tends to make you a slave to it before too long. :) |
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| 04:51.15 | levi | Walked back, eh? |
| 04:52.27 | Maquis | :) |
| 04:52.30 | Maquis | how's it going? |
| 04:53.17 | levi | I'm hoping I'm studying the right stuff, and that I'll remember the right bits of what I'm studying. |
| 04:55.00 | levi | Laugh it up. :) Before too long, I'll be able to laugh right back atcha. |
| 04:55.33 | Maquis | you gonna be in school for < 1 year? |
| 04:57.51 | levi | No, a lot longer. |
| 04:57.59 | levi | But you'll be back in school. |
| 04:58.05 | Maquis | so... umm... when are you laughing back at me? |
| 04:58.56 | levi | So, I'm peeved that this class is called 'Database Theory' and we get one lousy slide for the relational calculus. |
| 05:00.02 | levi | No, I answered before you asked. |
| 05:00.22 | Maquis | yeah... but when i'm in school, you'll still be in school... |
| 05:00.33 | levi | I don't have to be out of school to laugh at your school experiences. |
| 05:00.53 | levi | Your classes will undoubtedly be much harder. :) |
| 05:01.08 | Maquis | true... but you're having to do it all over again... :) |
| 05:01.38 | levi | Well, hopefully I'll be finished with the repeat stuff very soon. |
| 05:01.48 | levi | I should have challenged both the classes I'm taking now. |
| 05:02.25 | Maquis | :) |
| 05:03.15 | levi | I'm going to challenge a Linux class soon. |
| 05:03.20 | Maquis | haha |
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| 05:03.37 | Maquis | anyway, i need to be in bed half an hour ago, so i'll talk to you later |
| 05:03.42 | levi | I'll probably also challenge a theory class. |
| 05:03.47 | levi | G'night! |
| 05:03.49 | Maquis | gnight |
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| 05:33.42 | Hhhhh | hmm, getting the nvidia drivers working in FC4 was an adventure... :( |
| 05:49.20 | levi | Mmm, thunderstorm. |
| 06:43.21 | Hhhhh | hmm, am I the only insomniac one again? |
| 06:47.37 | wps | anyone up? |
| 06:47.48 | wps | I have a sendmail question |
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| 06:48.08 | wps | know sendmail, Hhhhh? |
| 06:49.19 | Hhhhh | no, sorry |
| 07:15.10 | Hhhhh | hmm, I guess I am the only insomniac here |
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| 08:08.56 | Hhhhh | hi tene |
| 08:17.30 | Hhhhh | good night |
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| 09:20.29 | luminerd | anyone fileshare with irc? |
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| 13:08.25 | hans | oh my. It's only 7. I thought it was 8. sweet |
| 13:12.21 | mheath | I want it to be 8 |
| 13:12.28 | mheath | I'm going to Lagoon today.... |
| 13:12.37 | mheath | To relax, rather than work, that is. |
| 13:13.38 | hans | sounds fun. I went a couple saturdays ago - tooooooo busy |
| 13:13.52 | hans | today should be nice, if not a bit hot |
| 13:15.11 | mheath | I'm going swimming |
| 13:15.41 | mheath | after working there in the heat yesterday, the idea of swimming in their cool water park sounds amazing to me. |
| 13:16.34 | hans | you work there? what station? |
| 13:17.00 | mheath | I work in the main park, not in the water park...I'm in their games department. |
| 13:17.14 | hans | is your game impossible? or do you rotate around? |
| 13:17.16 | mheath | Looking for a new job now that I'm 16 (Well...16 in less than a week) |
| 13:17.29 | mheath | hans: we rotate. And they're all possible |
| 13:17.59 | hans | :-) some of those ring tosses look pretty darned difficult |
| 13:18.01 | mheath | Any idea on where I can get a job? I have half a year computer sales and repair experience, and some sales experience. |
| 13:18.36 | mheath | I'm just tired of working at a job where all I do is annoy people and try to convince them to waste their money. |
| 13:18.50 | hans | I'm not much help with teenage computer jobs. I tried a couple of times but always got rejected, but then there wasn't much computer market where I grew up |
| 13:18.58 | hans | so I made my living as a lifeguard. |
| 13:19.14 | hans | which actually was about the best-paying job a teenager could have where I grew up |
| 13:19.38 | hans | maybe construction? the hard work is good for ou and the muscles are a good asset with the gals |
| 13:20.20 | mheath | I was looking at the consruction jobs in the paper today |
| 13:20.27 | mheath | seems like they all want experience |
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| 13:38.45 | hans | so my workstation at work isn't turning on. I have yet to see it in person, but they say that the cpu fans come on but nothing happens (cdrom won't even open) |
| 13:39.00 | hans | this apparently due to a short power outage |
| 13:39.10 | hans | is it more likely the mobo or the cpu? |
| 13:40.04 | hans | can't just swap out the cpu because it's the only amd64 we have |
| 13:40.14 | hans | likewise for the mobo, of course |
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| 13:42.00 | hans | or might it be the power supply? That we might manage tos wap out |
| 13:59.54 | statik | Well if it smells bad when it gets turned on its most likely nothing to do with the cpu |
| 14:00.04 | statik | er, the power supply |
| 14:00.51 | statik | Where do the fans draw their power? |
| 14:00.55 | statik | The mobo or the psu? |
| 14:01.13 | dataw0lf|w | which fans? |
| 14:01.20 | dataw0lf|w | most are coming directly from the psu. |
| 14:01.49 | dataw0lf|w | i truly doubt he has em being pulled off the mobo. |
| 14:02.59 | statik | Well he said the cpu fans come on. |
| 14:03.13 | statik | There is a good chance that its powered by the mobo |
| 14:04.05 | statik | And in my experience if this in fact true, then the cpu is probably ok. If the cpu is fried the power wont get to the cpu fan |
| 14:08.03 | dataw0lf|w | it's probably the psu now that I read everything. |
| 14:08.37 | statik | You think? I mean he IS getting power to some fans. |
| 14:09.04 | statik | It may not be putting much power out; perhaps just enough to power some small hardware |
| 14:09.06 | hans | i've read online that your power supply can be partially fried |
| 14:09.12 | statik | really? |
| 14:09.24 | statik | Cause that would explain a few things I've been through |
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| 14:12.47 | statik | Hmm. |
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| 14:41.42 | levi | Morning. |
| 14:41.55 | statik | mornin |
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| 14:51.01 | brandon | any mutt guru's here?.. after upgading to sarge, when I hit a 'c' to change folders and do a ? to get a directory listing, prior to the mutt package upgrade it would place a N next to the directories that had new mail in them.. That no longer works so I was wondering if anyone saw this and knows how to fix it. |
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| 14:54.18 | vontrapp | brandon: maybe it's a config change |
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| 14:58.05 | levi_ | Hmm. Anyone get my MULTICS link? |
| 14:59.20 | brandon | vontrapp: could be, but I can't find any docs/info about what the setting could be |
| 14:59.34 | vontrapp | hmmm, i can't even change to a mailbox |
| 15:00.00 | vontrapp | try folder_format |
| 15:01.59 | vontrapp | levi_: last thing you said was "Morning." |
| 15:05.43 | levi_ | Cool, I've always wondered what MULTICS was like: http://www.multicians.org/features.html |
| 15:06.16 | brandon | vontrapp: the default according to the manpage, says it should have %N in it, and even overriding the default format still produces no N flag if there are new message, but everything else changes |
| 15:07.10 | vontrapp | odd |
| 15:08.32 | vontrapp | doesn't give me the N either |
| 15:12.50 | hans | ok, so the cdrom will eject if I unplug the IDE cable |
| 15:13.05 | hans | the cpu fan as well as the case fans are on, and I hear the hdd spin up |
| 15:13.17 | hans | no post beeps, no other activity |
| 15:14.31 | hans | cdrom light is on solid |
| 15:14.41 | hans | no video activity |
| 15:15.05 | mrpull|mobile | hans: yank the video card and see if it beeps then |
| 15:15.23 | vontrapp | sounds like a mobo problem |
| 15:15.24 | mrpull|mobile | hans: three beeps is a common no video error |
| 15:15.44 | vontrapp | except the no beeps part |
| 15:16.16 | vontrapp | actually, no beep is a code itself, isn,t it? |
| 15:16.34 | brandon | vontrapp: do you use debian? |
| 15:17.08 | mrpull|mobile | yeah. no beep == something is seriously messed up :) |
| 15:17.36 | hans | mrpull|mobile: negative |
| 15:17.46 | mrpull|mobile | or the speaker doesn't work |
| 15:18.03 | vontrapp | brandon: yeah |
| 15:18.08 | mrpull|mobile | next yank all ide, sound, net cards |
| 15:18.21 | mrpull|mobile | if you dont get a beep with just mobo, cpu, and ram.... |
| 15:18.27 | mrpull|mobile | it's one of those three :) |
| 15:19.34 | vontrapp | IBM Bios: no beep = no power, loose cord, or short |
| 15:19.40 | brandon | vontrapp: do you use postfix too? .. and I take it it worked last week and now with the new stable, it doesn't? |
| 15:19.59 | vontrapp | brandon: i don't know if it worked before, never used the ? list |
| 15:20.04 | vontrapp | but yes, i use postfix |
| 15:20.13 | vontrapp | but my mailboxes are on imap |
| 15:21.40 | hans | ok, yanked everything still no beeps |
| 15:21.52 | hans | but is it the cpu or the mobo (or both)? |
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| 15:22.49 | hans | what if I take out the ram, would it still ought to beep? |
| 15:22.51 | mrpull|mobile | time to borrow similar hardware and swap in componenet |
| 15:23.12 | mrpull|mobile | hans: depends on mobo. i've seen some that do not beep without ram |
| 15:23.37 | mrpull|mobile | i cant remember any that beep without a cpu in place |
| 15:23.46 | hans | there is no similar hardware here, unless it will take a non-amd64 cpu |
| 15:23.46 | vontrapp | http://www.pcmech.com/show/troubleshoot/14/ |
| 15:24.07 | vontrapp | that says apm bios should have a beep |
| 15:25.27 | mrpull|mobile | good link. of course it all depends on the bios |
| 15:27.06 | hans | holding in power for 4 seconds turns off what is on, fwi |
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| 15:30.19 | mrpull|mobile | hans: is it a server? do you have an onsite contract? |
| 15:30.20 | hans | i wonder if it would kill them to put post codes in the mobo manuals. |
| 15:30.25 | hans | no, my workstation |
| 15:30.32 | hans | pieced together from newegg |
| 15:30.48 | mrpull|mobile | oh no. your workstation.... that is worse than a server :) |
| 15:31.04 | hans | well, it does mean I don't have to fix stupid user problems. :) |
| 15:31.25 | vontrapp | geuss you'll have to work from home until the parts arrive |
| 15:31.25 | hans | "physician, heal thyself" |
| 15:32.15 | mrpull|mobile | the power off after 4 seconds leads me to believe the mobo and power supply are probably ok. |
| 15:33.36 | vontrapp | maybe your speaker and your ram are both out |
| 15:34.04 | vontrapp | have you tried only the video? |
| 15:34.19 | hans | I'll try that now - only video and ram |
| 15:34.34 | hans | i also just cleared the bios with that one jumper |
| 15:34.34 | mrpull|mobile | do you have more than one stick of ram? |
| 15:34.41 | mrpull|mobile | good call |
| 15:37.45 | hans | yeah, I'll try both in solitude |
| 15:38.13 | hans | well, I think the reset worked, anyhow. now when I plug it in it doesn't turn on automatically - I have to hit the power button. |
| 15:38.23 | hans | (had it set to turn on when power is restored) |
| 15:39.55 | hans | no love. no cpu == no beep usually? |
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| 15:57.28 | vontrapp | i'm trying to icecast and i think i finally got it set up right except the client (xmms) never finishes buffering |
| 15:58.16 | vontrapp | it will get about 30KB then restart buffering at zero again |
| 16:00.45 | vontrapp | mplayer does grok it though |
| 16:01.05 | vontrapp | and reports Ogg : bad packet in stream 0 |
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| 16:17.35 | vontrapp | ]p? |
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| 16:20.32 | lukfugl | in vi(m) |
| 16:21.27 | lukfugl | 'Like "p", but adjust the indent to the current line. |
| 16:21.27 | lukfugl | Using the mouse only works when 'mouse' contains 'n' |
| 16:21.30 | lukfugl | or 'a'. {not in Vi}' |
| 16:26.29 | vontrapp | ah, now i get it |
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| 16:44.14 | ibot | Hi ibot! |
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| 16:47.19 | hans | ~lart lukfugl |
| 16:47.33 | hans | so I got a new psu and tried it - no dice |
| 16:47.38 | lukfugl | nooooo |
| 16:47.47 | lukfugl | ~lart hans |
| 16:48.36 | hans | so, do I abandon them and just get a mobo/cpu, or do I look for a mobo/cpu that could swap out, and keep the other around for backup or something? |
| 16:48.53 | vontrapp | hans: jabber? |
| 16:48.58 | hans | jibber |
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| 16:52.12 | mrpull|mobile | hans: Upgrade time! (if someone else is paying for it) |
| 16:53.36 | mrpull|mobile | if it is coming from your pocket, then i'd borrow someone elses gear to troubleshoot more |
| 16:55.42 | hans | work - not my money. but amd64 still counts as pretty dang good as far as my needs go (especially at work, where I spend most of my time in a browser and terminals) |
| 16:57.40 | hans | any recommendations on linux-friendly mobos? this was a via and it worked ok but could have been better |
| 16:57.51 | mrpull|mobile | hans: see what newegg will do for you. i've bought a lot of stuff from them as well, but haven't needed to do any warranty stuff |
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| 17:06.55 | vontrapp | itunes can play ogg, right? |
| 17:08.15 | hans | pshaw |
| 17:08.36 | hans | no, it can't. unless you're using a version that the ogg quicktime codec plugin can work with, which isn't the newest version |
| 17:08.54 | levi | Heh, they're going to try to remove the carp from Utah lake. |
| 17:11.29 | mrpull|mobile | levi: I like the theory that they are building a bridge across the lake |
| 17:12.10 | levi | Why would they build a bridge? For those developments starting up on the west side of the lake? |
| 17:12.17 | mrpull|mobile | exactly |
| 17:12.22 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:12.41 | levi | Well, one of the options for removing the carp was to dike off and drain portions of it at a time. |
| 17:12.55 | levi | A lot of effort to save a couple of species of fish. |
| 17:13.09 | hans | do the carp eat other fish or something? |
| 17:13.29 | levi | They apparently screw up the habitat so no other fish can thrive. |
| 17:14.01 | levi | They tear up the lake bottom, make everything murky, etc. |
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| 17:19.45 | vontrapp | bah, just bomb the whole lake, kill all the fish, then put what you want in it |
| 17:20.12 | tensai | vontrapp: yeah, just catch like 100 of the ones you want and put them back when you're done, right? |
| 17:20.22 | vontrapp | sure |
| 17:21.11 | tensai | Your plan has been approved. I expect results of this event on tomorrow's 10:00 news. |
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| 17:26.11 | levi | vontrapp: Apparently the fish they're trying to save are native to Utah Lake, and only live there. |
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| 17:29.27 | vontrapp | so it's an endangered species? |
| 17:29.54 | levi | That's what the article made it sound like. |
| 17:30.03 | vontrapp | how do they know carp aren't an important part of a delicate balance that keeps them alive |
| 17:31.00 | dataw0lf|w | I'm down with the bombing idea. |
| 17:31.04 | levi | I imagine carp aren't native to Utah Lake, and there's sufficient evidence that the carp are actually killing the endangered ones off. |
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| 17:42.17 | vontrapp | great, internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
| 17:42.43 | vontrapp | in file /usr/include/locale.h |
| 17:43.01 | Hhhhh | so much for the "gcc has no bugs!" argument |
| 17:43.12 | Hhhhh | a CS240 TA told me that once |
| 17:44.27 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:44.36 | levi | TAs have been known to be wrong. |
| 17:50.32 | vontrapp | ah, now it's working |
| 17:50.57 | vontrapp | maybe i downgraded it, not sure |
| 17:51.10 | vontrapp | ls |
| 17:51.14 | vontrapp | heh, oops |
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| 17:55.33 | Hhhhh | hello neybar |
| 18:00.23 | hans | levi: really? there goes my world. I believed everything TAs told me |
| 18:00.31 | neybar | hello |
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| 18:05.13 | vontrapp | how do i forward a priveledged port (80) to another port and allow outside traffic to utilize the forwarding? |
| 18:05.39 | vontrapp | i can ssh -L 80:localhost:8000 -l root localhost |
| 18:05.57 | vontrapp | but connection is denied unless i'm connecting through localhost |
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| 18:13.16 | gthornock | vontrapp: you need to configure the GatewayPorts option in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 18:13.56 | gthornock | By default, ssh only binds forwarded ports to the loopback interface. The GatewayPorts option lets you change that. |
| 18:14.35 | gthornock | s/sshd_config/ssh_config/g |
| 18:17.10 | Newsome | no, I think sshd_config was right |
| 18:18.09 | gthornock | GatewayPorts appears to exist for both ssh_config and sshd_config, but, if I'm understanding this correctly, the one in ssh_config controls ports forwarded with -L, while the one in sshd_config controls ports forwarded with -R. |
| 18:18.39 | Newsome | okay, makes sense |
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| 19:54.36 | vontrapp | Bradipo: i'm having some good times with my festiva |
| 19:54.50 | Bradipo | Oh yeah? |
| 19:54.57 | Bradipo | Like geocaching in the wilderness? |
| 19:55.09 | vontrapp | pulling out and replacing drive axels |
| 19:55.17 | Bradipo | Ahh, that kind of good time... |
| 19:55.55 | Bradipo | Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a new Festiva? :-) |
| 19:56.02 | Bradipo | Er, new used... |
| 19:56.15 | vontrapp | i just wish the tranny fluid didn't spill out when you remove them |
| 19:56.36 | vontrapp | i got the axels for $40 apiece |
| 19:57.17 | vontrapp | and i'm hoping to get a core charge back from autozone or some place that rebuilds them, thoguh don't know if you can get away with that without buying the rebuilt ones |
| 19:58.12 | vontrapp | there was a place when i called around that would do replace them and do the work for only $150 |
| 19:58.27 | vontrapp | but then you don't get to tear you own car apart ;) |
| 20:10.33 | levi | Tearing your car apart is FUN! |
| 20:11.01 | Jayce^ | except figuring out all those extra pieces you wind up with |
| 20:11.15 | levi | Unless bolts are seized, your tools don't fit, the corners get rounded... etc. |
| 20:11.21 | vontrapp | and it feels real good when you put it back together |
| 20:12.24 | RyanE | kind of sucks when you break a bolt. |
| 20:12.42 | levi | There was much annoyance when I replaced my clutch slave cylinder on the Miata and my wrench got stuck between the transmission and the frame. |
| 20:13.30 | Jayce^ | the worst is debugging strange electrical problems |
| 20:13.31 | levi | An hour of cursing and grunting and fuming later, I got the bright idea to jack up the engine a bit, which gave me enough room to free my wrench. :) |
| 20:13.44 | levi | Jayce^: Yes, those SUCK. |
| 20:14.03 | Jayce^ | had a truck once that developed a 'tick'.. whenever I did a hard right turn, the windshield wipers turned on |
| 20:14.05 | levi | I spent weeks debugging some electrical problems. |
| 20:14.20 | vontrapp | think geek has a new gadget that plugs into your diagnostics port |
| 20:14.37 | vontrapp | gives you all kinds of nifty info and will reset the "check engine" thing |
| 20:14.40 | levi | vontrapp: Doesn't help if you don't have an OBD-II car. |
| 20:15.01 | vontrapp | i believe it was OBD-II that it said it connected to |
| 20:15.35 | levi | Right. My Miata is pre-OBD-II. And it has an aftermarket engine computer, anyway. |
| 20:16.01 | levi | I had to re-solder the relay for my blinkers. |
| 20:16.26 | levi | And I had issues with some engine grounds that made the car die when I turned on the lights. |
| 20:17.09 | levi | I also crossed some wires within a harness at one point which made the car think it was always running WOT, so the mixture was so rich it'd barely keep running. |
| 20:17.14 | Jayce^ | my old nash had a mouse get in it, totally messed up the electrical (1950's car) |
| 20:17.32 | Jayce^ | what made that car worse, was it was an old british built car... |
| 20:17.37 | vontrapp | ah, you said if you DON'T have it, right |
| 20:17.45 | Jayce^ | battery under the back seat, and POSITIVE ground |
| 20:17.53 | Jayce^ | dunno how many times I almost shorted stuff out |
| 20:18.51 | levi | I also had a non-functioning knock sensor, which I finally diagnosed as having a short in the connector and repaired. |
| 20:19.30 | Jayce^ | my legacy had that, took a while to find that out, and just left it from then on :) |
| 20:21.05 | Jayce^ | ls |
| 20:21.08 | Jayce^ | grr |
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| 20:33.25 | vontrapp | grr, the local dns here decided it wants to resolve everything to our web server |
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| 20:33.40 | vontrapp | which thwarts one word address bar google feel luckys |
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| 20:35.36 | misterpull | vontrapp are you sure it isn't a search list setting on your local machine? |
| 20:37.30 | vontrapp | i tried 'host winamp' and it returned winamp.kingsley.biz A 209.90.95.254 |
| 20:38.21 | vontrapp | ah ,there was a search kingsley.biz |
| 20:38.31 | vontrapp | but i didnt' tell it to do that |
| 20:38.37 | misterpull | DHCP? |
| 20:38.44 | vontrapp | which means it will always crop up |
| 20:38.47 | vontrapp | still annoying |
| 20:38.55 | vontrapp | dhcp, yes |
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| 20:39.32 | misterpull | sounds like you have a wildcard entry in your DNS server... you may be stuck |
| 20:39.42 | vontrapp | and besides, the dns could still say it has no clue what winamp.kingsley.biz is |
| 20:40.33 | vontrapp | oh well, i guess i'll just delete the line from resolv.conf everytime it annoys me |
| 20:41.08 | tensai | vontrapp: add an override to your dhcp.conf. force it to something else. |
| 20:41.47 | tensai | supersede domain-name "example.com"; |
| 20:43.05 | misterpull | can anyone suggest an ergo keyboard? |
| 20:44.09 | vontrapp | happy hackers keyboard |
| 20:44.21 | vontrapp | (ok, not exactly ergo, but dang cool) |
| 20:44.27 | misterpull | they are dope. |
| 20:44.52 | misterpull | i've got an old IBM Model M I should take in to work |
| 20:44.58 | misterpull | my coworkers would love that. |
| 20:45.09 | misterpull | clackity clackity clackity |
| 20:45.15 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 20:46.32 | misterpull | i've got a wireless logitech keyboard and mouse that I want to replace. I think it is interfering with my bluetooth headset. |
| 20:46.55 | misterpull | since my left wrist has been bothering me, it may be time to move to an ergo |
| 20:47.14 | vontrapp | my left wrist bothers me sometimes, too |
| 20:49.44 | gthornock | The Model M was a great keyboard. The CVT Avant series is pretty nice, too. I do most of my work on laptops, though, so I can't justify buying one. |
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| 20:54.02 | chrisvv | Newsome, are u there ? |
| 20:54.24 | Newsome | chrisvv: here, but kinda busy |
| 20:54.59 | chrisvv | Newsome, just tell me where to find more help on uml ...what was that other irc server about uml _ |
| 20:55.01 | chrisvv | ? |
| 20:55.09 | Newsome | irc.oftc.net #uml |
| 20:55.15 | chrisvv | Newsome, thanks |
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| 21:33.21 | decriptor | any suggestions on good c/c++ debugging tools in linux |
| 21:34.41 | dataw0lf|w | yeah. |
| 21:34.42 | dataw0lf|w | gdb |
| 21:34.50 | Newsome | printf |
| 21:36.27 | decriptor | :) |
| 21:36.28 | RyanE | syslog |
| 21:37.18 | decriptor | similar to valgrind |
| 21:37.35 | decriptor | I have program that is stomping on memory |
| 21:37.38 | decriptor | and then seg faulting |
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| 21:46.36 | levi | electric fence, perhaps? |
| 21:47.06 | tapH20guru | i 2nd gdb |
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| 21:53.08 | vontrapp | decriptor: there's also ddd, a graphical frontend to gdb |
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| 21:53.35 | goozbach | BARG |
| 21:53.40 | goozbach | !lart server outages |
| 21:53.51 | goozbach | ~lart mistypes |
| 21:54.13 | vontrapp | but you can get sucked into watching your program an execution at a time, which naturally takes a long time |
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| 22:09.10 | levi | Anyone taken CS236 at BYU recently and have an opinion on the textbook? |
| 22:11.12 | hans | dangit dangit. thunderbird on mac is no longer ugly, but uses even more memory than mail.app |
| 22:12.52 | levi | Heh, my Amazon wishlist is now all CS/Math books and cookbooks. |
| 22:13.10 | hans | Jayce^: ah, so you have a stick to give me? |
| 22:13.24 | hans | even another 256 would do. heck, another 32 would make my life much better |
| 22:13.37 | hans | it's just that all the apps I like to have open are just over swap threshhold |
| 22:13.46 | levi | hans: You need to just break down and buy one. |
| 22:14.08 | hans | saving up |
| 22:14.40 | levi | Go to the plasma bank or something. ;) |
| 22:15.32 | vontrapp | why does osx suck so bad at swapping? |
| 22:15.36 | Jayce^ | hrm, I had a 256 chip in my old ibook |
| 22:15.51 | Jayce^ | just sitting there.. |
| 22:16.02 | hans | had? did you chuck it? grind it up:? sell it? |
| 22:16.22 | Jayce^ | actually, it's just sitting on my endtable right now |
| 22:16.29 | hans | I might could afford a 256 stick now |
| 22:16.30 | Jayce^ | was trying linux on it |
| 22:16.33 | hans | especially a used one. ;-) |
| 22:16.44 | hans | you don't need dthat extra 256 for linux |
| 22:16.56 | Jayce^ | it's older, so only has a 128 built in |
| 22:17.34 | goozbach | "remember... shiny objects attract dumb creatures" --ella kennen |
| 22:17.46 | Jayce^ | I believe that ibooks haven't changed which ram type they use, anyone able to verify? |
| 22:18.01 | Jayce^ | pc100 or something |
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| 22:20.45 | tensai | Jayce^: yeah, they upgraded. they now require pc101. |
| 22:22.12 | vontrapp | hans, maybe you could use your video memory when it's not otherwisely occupied |
| 22:22.28 | vontrapp | hack the darwin kernel |
| 22:22.52 | levi | I think Quartz keeps the video memory pretty occupied. |
| 22:27.37 | tapH20guru | hmmm... anyone willing to do Rails contract work.. but, eh... you'd have to sign an NDA to see the business spec? |
| 22:28.08 | vontrapp | how much work? |
| 22:28.10 | Hhhhh | levi: what book is the one they'er using for 236? |
| 22:28.27 | tapH20guru | well rails is is supposed to be "rapid" |
| 22:28.29 | Hhhhh | the Tremblay one? the grey one with blue letters on the cover? |
| 22:28.30 | tapH20guru | he |
| 22:28.46 | tapH20guru | prob a good 20 hours |
| 22:29.08 | levi | Hhhhh: http://students.cs.byu.edu/~cs236ta/spring2005/ |
| 22:29.50 | levi | I think that's the one you're referring to. |
| 22:30.29 | Hhhhh | I think that book was good, it's just that they really don't use it for the class |
| 22:30.39 | Hhhhh | no need to buy it |
| 22:31.45 | levi | Good for self-study? |
| 22:33.03 | spr | sort of. The terminology is a bit different, but it's pretty sound conceptually |
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| 22:33.40 | levi | It's been a while since I took the class, and I want a refresher on the subject. |
| 22:34.01 | Hhhhh | meh, I tried installing Ubuntu and Slackware, and the installs were messed up. I'm sticking to Fedora :p |
| 22:34.11 | hans | tensai: might try #rubyonrails or the local #urug |
| 22:34.24 | hans | or even better the urug mailing list |
| 22:34.30 | spr | levi, run through the lecture slides online. |
| 22:34.32 | tensai | hans: say what? |
| 22:34.42 | hans | utah ruby user's group |
| 22:34.48 | JoshH | i think it was a tab completion mistake |
| 22:34.53 | Hhhhh | levi: if you're going into AI, compilers, interpreters or natural language processing, that books could be useful |
| 22:35.02 | Hhhhh | my mom's name is Ruby |
| 22:35.05 | JoshH | he meant tapH20guru |
| 22:35.05 | tensai | ah. I just got back to my desk and was confused |
| 22:35.36 | hans | http://www.urug.org/ |
| 22:35.50 | hans | oh, it was tapH20guru |
| 22:35.55 | tapH20guru | :) |
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| 22:36.06 | levi | Hhhhh: I'm interested in cs theory, and you can't get far in a cs theory paper without knowing your logic, set theory, and other math stuff pretty well. :) |
| 22:36.12 | hans | not tab completion mistake per se, my brain made the mistake. |
| 22:37.02 | levi | Time to go take a midterm. :/ |
| 22:37.16 | Hhhhh | hmm, anybody using FC4? |
| 22:38.33 | tapH20guru | Hhhhh: I just installed it on my desktop yesterday |
| 22:38.44 | Jayce^ | we just did our first test install, and I know fozz is using it now too |
| 22:39.14 | hans | my son bit my red hat in half |
| 22:39.17 | hans | I was proud |
| 22:39.19 | Hhhhh | tapH20gutu: x86_64 or i386? |
| 22:39.25 | tapH20guru | i386 |
| 22:39.35 | Hhhhh | Jayce^? x86_64? |
| 22:39.35 | Jayce^ | hans++ |
| 22:39.45 | Jayce^ | Hhhhh, fozz is, not here though |
| 22:39.47 | hans | Jayce^: precisely |
| 22:40.04 | Hhhhh | so fozz is using FC4 x86_64? |
| 22:40.10 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 22:40.19 | Hhhhh | k, i'll ask him when I see him |
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| 22:49.04 | Bradipo | vi mode on the command line is much more useful on PDAs. |
| 22:49.08 | Bradipo | Than emacs mode. |
| 22:49.29 | Bradipo | There are no arrow keys and it is difficult to type ctrl- something to scroll up and down. |
| 22:49.38 | Bradipo | Much easier to hit esc and then use vi keys to navigate. |
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| 22:52.25 | goozbach | Bradipo: I agree |
| 22:53.57 | Bradipo | Guess its time to unlearn what I have learned. |
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| 23:02.09 | goozbach | if it wasn't for the <esc> . trick and ctrl p and ctrl n being imprinted into my muscle memory I'd switch to vi mode for all things |
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| 23:14.33 | Hhhhh | ok, i'm out. Bye |
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