| 00:00.46 | levi | mheath: You can be sure that if a device has a 100W power supply, it does not draw that much at steady-state load. |
| 00:00.50 | xbmodder | mheath, I'm afraid your wrong. Power Consumption: <8W |
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| 00:01.16 | mheath | xbmodder: ...... |
| 00:01.20 | mheath | Please stop being an idiot. |
| 00:01.30 | levi | I forget the exact amount, but you're required to have something like a 20% buffer between your max draw and the power supply rating. |
| 00:01.35 | mheath | Telling me that an LCD monitor uses 8 watts is laughable, xbmodder |
| 00:01.42 | mheath | That makes no sense. |
| 00:01.55 | xbmodder | Power Consumption: <8W |
| 00:02.01 | xbmodder | let me get you the URL |
| 00:02.02 | levi | mheath: Depends on the size/type of LCD display. |
| 00:02.06 | xbmodder | http://xenarc.com/product/700v.html |
| 00:02.20 | mheath | ah |
| 00:02.22 | mheath | hahahahaha |
| 00:02.26 | mheath | That will be fun! |
| 00:02.30 | mheath | levi: come to my house |
| 00:02.35 | mheath | we'll play Halo on my 7" monitor. |
| 00:02.38 | mheath | multiplayer. |
| 00:02.38 | xbmodder | lol |
| 00:03.00 | mheath | Or better yet |
| 00:03.03 | xbmodder | I've done it. |
| 00:03.08 | xbmodder | Why can't you? |
| 00:03.20 | mheath | I'll convert the video output to black and white |
| 00:03.25 | mheath | and we can play using a giant grid of LEDs. |
| 00:03.33 | levi | mheath: Why don't you quit being an idiot? |
| 00:04.12 | mheath | xbmodder: |
| 00:04.14 | mheath | by the way |
| 00:04.16 | mheath | they bend the truth |
| 00:04.20 | mheath | thats minimum power consumption |
| 00:04.25 | mheath | Power Supply: DC 8V ~ 14V, 1A |
| 00:04.28 | xbmodder | Yes I know. |
| 00:04.32 | mheath | Power Consumption: <8W |
| 00:05.00 | levi | mheath: No, that's not minimum, it's probably steady-state. |
| 00:06.57 | xbmodder | mheath, has been beaten. sweet! |
| 00:07.30 | xbmodder | ~seen joshc |
| 00:07.30 | ibot | joshc <~joshc@65.37.125.194> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 41d 23h 48m 16s ago, saying: ' meanwhile, the "chosen people" in california, and much of the rest of the country rake in dirty money by opening casinos...'. |
| 00:07.45 | xbmodder | *cry* |
| 00:08.04 | xbmodder | does anyone know joshc's number? |
| 00:08.09 | mheath | ..... |
| 00:10.39 | mheath | xbmodder: I love how you agree with me, then cheer for the other guy when he disagrees with me and 'beats me' |
| 00:11.00 | JoshH | xbmodder: (801) 463-9453 |
| 00:12.45 | xbmodder | thanks. |
| 00:12.57 | JoshH | call it quick, i think he leaves soon |
| 00:13.08 | xbmodder | I can't today |
| 00:13.17 | xbmodder | Though, I may call him tommorow. |
| 00:13.19 | levi | Where's he going? |
| 00:13.25 | xbmodder | home? |
| 00:13.32 | mheath | To an Exotic & Wild place. |
| 00:14.10 | levi | I wasn't sure whether 'he leaves soon' was referring to moving or leaving the office. |
| 00:14.21 | mheath | leaving the office. |
| 00:16.30 | mheath | xbmodder: why can't you call him today? |
| 00:18.25 | xbmodder | my cell phone is b0rking |
| 00:18.42 | mheath | why not use a landline? |
| 00:38.17 | xbmodder | Its expensive |
| 00:39.01 | xbmodder | $$$ |
| 01:01.10 | Hhhhh | HA! Daniel Robbins, founder of Gentoo was recently hired by Microsoft (http://www.gentoo.org, see news). I knew there was something fishy about dumbtoo users |
| 01:01.18 | Hhhhh | now everything falls into place |
| 01:03.25 | xbmodder | i heard |
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| 02:24.44 | mheath | Slashdots RSS is broken.... |
| 02:24.53 | mheath | It still has the articles that were up about two days ago.. |
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| 02:51.29 | mheath | "First, I must solicit your confidence in this transaction. I am a highly placed official working in the Ministry of Agriculture, here in Banjul, Gambia, west Africa. My department (the treasury) coordinates several thousands of millions of dollars transactions monthly." |
| 02:51.44 | mheath | Apparently the fellows at the West African Treasury Department don't consider the word "billions" to sound cool enough. ;) |
| 02:51.59 | mheath | I don't dislike phishing e-mails. I just find them funny... |
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| 03:24.17 | TimRiker | ~slashdot |
| 03:24.30 | TimRiker | mheath: looks right to me |
| 03:24.37 | TimRiker | ibot: literal slashdot |
| 03:24.38 | ibot | "slashdot" is "http://slashdot.org, or they're so lame they had to interview unknown_lamer for more content" |
| 03:24.51 | TimRiker | hmm. should be an rss feed. hmm. |
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| 04:56.12 | Hhhhh | hello, anybody using FC4? |
| 04:56.41 | Hhhhh | hey Newsome |
| 04:56.59 | tensai | if by "FC" you mean "Debian", and by "4" you mean "3.1", then yes |
| 04:57.37 | Hhhhh | no, I meant what I meant |
| 05:02.05 | mrpull | isn't GFS stable in FC4? I'd like to know if anybody is using it. |
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| 05:28.28 | tensai | mrpull: gfs the cluster file system? |
| 05:28.40 | mrpull | correct |
| 05:29.00 | tensai | I tested it out a while ago, never had much luck |
| 05:29.22 | tensai | "a while ago" == last year |
| 05:29.56 | mrpull | i suppose a lot could have changed in a year |
| 05:30.07 | tensai | seemed quite well thought out. it ended up not fitting our needs so I didn't pursue it too deeply. |
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| 05:32.03 | mrpull | i'll have to tinker with FC4 tomorrow. i'm curious how well xen works out of the box. |
| 05:39.30 | levi | Anyone see the KSL news report on "Prison Brides"? |
| 05:46.50 | mrpull | levi: heh... i just read the story on the web page |
| 05:47.11 | levi | mrpull: Joanne is my aunt. :/ |
| 05:47.16 | mrpull | levi: i like the charm bracelet that says "i love my con" |
| 05:51.06 | mrpull | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:04.04 | levi | She divorced her husband to be with the prisoner, too. |
| 06:09.43 | xbmodder | ? |
| 06:10.54 | xbmodder | yes |
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| 06:43.39 | Hhhhh | Newsome: where are the FC4 ISOs in the BYU CS FTP site? I looked for them everywhere and couldn't find them |
| 06:44.28 | Newsome | They're in /pub/iso if you're on campus. If you're off campus, they won't show up |
| 06:44.34 | Hhhhh | oh, ok |
| 06:44.46 | Hhhhh | hmm, no plans in making them available off-campus? |
| 06:46.07 | Newsome | I did that in the past, but too many people found out about the mirror. |
| 06:46.24 | Newsome | I was using up too much of BYU's bandwidth |
| 06:46.40 | Hhhhh | anyways, you have the i386 CD ISOs in there only, right? |
| 06:46.45 | Newsome | right |
| 06:46.48 | Hhhhh | any DVDs? x86_64? |
| 06:47.06 | Newsome | I've got the i386 DVD too |
| 06:47.27 | Hhhhh | cool, thanks |
| 06:48.45 | Newsome | I may be able to come up with an off-campus mirror, at least temporarily. Maybe tomorrow, but I'm not sure |
| 06:49.44 | Hhhhh | that's cool, I was just wondering because I'm downloading the x86_64 DVD ISO and it's taking long, I already got the i386 version |
| 06:49.50 | Hhhhh | thanks anyways |
| 06:52.46 | goozbach | any gentoo users in the house? |
| 06:53.09 | Hhhhh | hmm, talking about gentoo... |
| 06:53.46 | goozbach | if you were given a stage3 install what would be the first things you would do to get to an acceptablly usable system? |
| 06:54.19 | Hhhhh | Daniel Robbins, creator and founder of Gentoo is hired by Microsoft (see News at http://www.gentoo.org)...suddenly everything seem to fit in place... |
| 06:54.33 | Hhhhh | i don't use gentoo |
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| 14:20.05 | scott | I can't believe how slow slashdot is these days at getting news up. I've already read almost anything that interests me there by the time they post it, often a few days before |
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| 14:25.10 | mheath | heh, I'm giving Dvorak a try. |
| 14:25.23 | mheath | hard |
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| 14:27.33 | mheath | I can type like 90+ wpm with qwerty |
| 14:28.25 | vontrapp | i heard this one girl on the radio said she could "text" 160 wpm in her native language on her phone |
| 14:28.40 | mheath | and I just went to like 5 |
| 14:29.22 | mheath | frustrating |
| 14:29.57 | scott | vontrapp: characters per minute I would believe |
| 14:30.17 | vontrapp | mheath, it's very frustrating |
| 14:30.46 | mheath | I can't even really finger peck |
| 14:31.58 | mheath | because it's a qwerty keyboard |
| 14:32.02 | vontrapp | sheesh, i'm slow |
| 14:32.50 | mheath | I'm looking off a chart |
| 14:34.16 | mheath | I guess if I practice..... |
| 14:34.50 | vontrapp | scott, it was one of those lame cell phone commercials |
| 14:36.42 | mheath | I'm sure I'll get used to this. |
| 14:36.52 | vontrapp | mheath, yeah, when I first switched i couldn't remember any keys, but now it's already starting to come back (as much as i've learned) |
| 14:38.55 | vontrapp | it's fun when you just start going off in qwerty on a dvorak layout and get a bunch of jibberish |
| 14:39.31 | mheath | already I'm starting to remember a few common characters |
| 14:39.36 | mheath | nct. ydcoZ |
| 14:40.11 | mheath | (Like this?) |
| 14:41.01 | vontrapp | heh, yep |
| 14:41.10 | vontrapp | ;) |
| 14:42.15 | mheath | heh, 'qwerty' is hard to type on Dvorak |
| 14:42.38 | vontrapp | yah |
| 14:43.11 | mheath | then again, so is 'Dvorak' |
| 14:43.36 | vontrapp | supercalifragilisticexpialidocious |
| 14:44.44 | vontrapp | couldn't find 'x' for a while there |
| 14:45.15 | mheath | sorry, I'm rambling. Just trying to practice. |
| 14:46.13 | mheath | sloooowly rambling |
| 14:46.29 | mheath | brb |
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| 14:53.08 | vontrapp | mheath, are you going for the total immersion approagh? |
| 14:53.28 | vontrapp | s/gh/ch/ |
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| 14:58.16 | levi | Good morning. |
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| 15:02.03 | spr | morning |
| 15:02.10 | hans | where does one set the hostname (permanently) in rhel? |
| 15:02.44 | spr | I think it's in /etc/sysconf/networking/ |
| 15:02.59 | spr | (you may have to set it for each network device) |
| 15:03.28 | bigdog_ut | /etc/hostname too |
| 15:04.03 | vontrapp | i would expect to set maybe a dhcp hostname there, but not the name the machine knows itself by |
| 15:04.23 | bigdog_ut | depends on how the system loads the hostname |
| 15:04.40 | spr | redhat tends to reset the hostname if a hostname is given via dhcp (unless you force one) |
| 15:04.44 | bigdog_ut | you could even set it in /etc/sysctl.conf too |
| 15:04.49 | spr | X tends to get unhappy |
| 15:04.59 | hans | no dhcp |
| 15:05.05 | hans | /etc/sysconfig/network looks like the right place |
| 15:05.06 | vontrapp | /etc/hostname i think is where i set it in debian |
| 15:05.17 | hans | no /etc/hostname here |
| 15:05.39 | vontrapp | ~lart rhel |
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| 15:08.42 | bigdog_ut | my thing with rhel is that you use the gui cause you never know where it is going to put it |
| 15:09.01 | hans | hm, on my debian box, `hostname` returns "gwythaint" |
| 15:09.15 | hans | on the rhel box, `hostname` returns "marvin.wencor.com" |
| 15:09.21 | vontrapp | which debian box? |
| 15:09.29 | hans | is this just a distro difference? -d and -s both work as expected in both places. |
| 15:09.40 | hans | workstation |
| 15:10.25 | vontrapp | i think hostname and domain are stored seperately |
| 15:10.52 | vontrapp | so the deb box probably never had a domain set |
| 15:10.57 | bigdog_ut | domain in normally set in /etc/dnsdomainname |
| 15:11.09 | hans | vontrapp: nope, `hostname -d` => 'wencor.com' |
| 15:11.58 | vontrapp | maybe just a difference in hostname then |
| 15:12.33 | vontrapp | finger pecking becomes impossible with lag |
| 15:12.44 | vontrapp | ~lart lag |
| 15:13.37 | tensai_ | hans: I've found it to be a result of the ordering of /etc/hosts |
| 15:14.13 | vontrapp | ah, that would make sense |
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| 15:15.44 | vontrapp | doesn't seem to make a difference on OSX |
| 15:17.28 | hans | tensai_: I ran `hostname marvin` and now it behaves like debian |
| 15:17.38 | hans | so probably more a result of how hostname is called from the config files in the first place. |
| 15:17.55 | hans | not sure where it's getting the domain (probably /etc/hosts) but it still knows it's wencor.com |
| 15:18.18 | vontrapp | one problem with dvorak is that movement keys are no longer in 'home' position |
| 15:18.28 | mheath | OK, back to qwerty..... |
| 15:19.23 | vontrapp | mheath, i guess that's a no on total immersion? |
| 15:19.37 | mheath | I think I'm going to get a dvorak keyboard |
| 15:20.11 | vontrapp | http://von.fugal.net/blog/2005/04/21#xxkb |
| 15:20.35 | vontrapp | check that out for quick switching |
| 15:21.38 | mheath | unfortunately I'm stuck on Windows at the moment |
| 15:21.49 | vontrapp | :( |
| 15:23.42 | vontrapp | er, two months |
| 15:29.23 | Jayce^ | http://bash.org/?464385 |
| 15:30.01 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 15:30.46 | levi | Hah. Best commentary on SWIII: http://archive.gamespy.com/comics/dorktower/images/comics/DorkTower461.gif |
| 15:32.04 | mheath | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/ep3_tot3.gif |
| 15:53.49 | scott | if you buy songs on itunes music store can you listen to them in linux? |
| 15:57.41 | hans | scott: yesno |
| 15:57.45 | levi | At some point, the DRM was cracked so you could. I'm not sure what the current state of things is. |
| 15:58.13 | hans | if all else fails, you can burn a CD and rip it |
| 15:58.27 | hans | at least, on my mac I can burn a CD with itunes-purchased music. |
| 15:58.45 | levi | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Convert_from_iTunes |
| 15:59.28 | scott | hans, and itunes keeps a history of everything I purchased, so if I format or use a different computer I can just sign in and it will download all my music? |
| 15:59.43 | hans | scott: maybe? |
| 15:59.52 | levi | hans: No, you can't re-download music. You have to back it up. |
| 15:59.54 | hans | I've not looked into that. |
| 15:59.57 | levi | Er, scott, not hans. |
| 16:00.23 | scott | serious? that's lame |
| 16:01.07 | levi | Potentially, but not any more so than losing any other important files on your hard drive. |
| 16:01.20 | levi | Backing things up isn't hard. |
| 16:01.41 | scott | but the reason I was thinking of purchasing music on itunes is because I thought it would do that for me |
| 16:02.06 | scott | being able to access all my music from wherever would be very handy |
| 16:02.13 | levi | Nope, doesn't do that. |
| 16:02.24 | levi | Probably one of the other 'music subscription services' does. |
| 16:02.27 | scott | just sign in on itunes and it would show my library and if it wasn't on the local computer it could download it |
| 16:02.36 | levi | But then you can't play those after your subscription expires. |
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| 16:04.49 | levi | scott: Apple wants you to buy an iPod so you can always have your music with you. |
| 16:06.22 | scott | yeah, that evil white wheel |
| 16:06.56 | levi | iPods are nice. |
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| 16:08.08 | levi | iTMS is pretty nice, too. I bought an album with it the other day. Don't use it too often, but when I do, it's a pretty pleasant experience. |
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| 16:09.45 | scott | yeah, I like it too, that's why I'm disappointed it doesn't just keep a history of what you purchase and then allow you to redownload it whenever |
| 16:10.10 | vontrapp | what is it that will limit how much space can be used on a HD? |
| 16:10.25 | neybar | I seem to remember debian having meta packages like for development that would install everything one should need for compiling programs. where do I find those, or what tool was it that lists the meta packages |
| 16:10.31 | vontrapp | that you need LBA to overcome |
| 16:11.08 | vontrapp | tasksel |
| 16:11.21 | vontrapp | ^^neybar |
| 16:16.53 | tensai_ | vontrapp: you're probably thinking of BIOS addressing limitations. that's only a factor with older BIOSes and crappy OSes. |
| 16:18.54 | tensai_ | it could affect your ability to boot an OS as well if the OS's boot record is too far into the disk |
| 16:20.30 | vontrapp | my brother says that the install software that came with an HD claims his computer can't handle the full size of the disk (only 137G out of 160G) |
| 16:20.43 | vontrapp | probably just a pact with MS to get people to upgrade or something... |
| 16:20.48 | vontrapp | didn't make much sense to me |
| 16:22.14 | tensai_ | 137GB is one of the common BIOS limitations. it might be true that his BIOS won't see it all, but I'd be surprised if his OS had that problem. |
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| 16:23.11 | dataw0lf|w | it's a known problem with Windows 2000, you gotta set some registry value to correct it. |
| 16:23.18 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 16:23.29 | dataw0lf|w | i.e. recognizing larger drives. |
| 16:35.05 | vontrapp | Partition Magic is $70!?! |
| 16:35.48 | spr | yeah |
| 16:36.24 | vontrapp | pshhh, like i would EVER spend that much for a pile of bits |
| 16:37.31 | vontrapp | i told my brother that PM was excellent and probably worth the price, when i found out the price i told him nevermind :-/ |
| 16:41.52 | levi | Cheapskate. |
| 16:41.58 | vontrapp | :-P |
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| 16:42.29 | vontrapp | i couldn't even bring myself to pay $60 for a wrt54g |
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| 16:43.48 | vontrapp | good thing i found one for $40 |
| 16:56.20 | Jayce^ | levi, you are talking about a fugal, that's given :) |
| 17:16.44 | vontrapp | in redhat, what's the command to start things? |
| 17:16.48 | vontrapp | service start foo? |
| 17:16.55 | mrpull | service foo start |
| 17:17.06 | mrpull | or /etc/init.d/foo start |
| 17:17.17 | vontrapp | k, thx |
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| 18:19.26 | hans | happy flag day |
| 18:20.44 | linuxalien | Happy Flag Day! |
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| 18:26.27 | decriptor_work | hey all |
| 18:27.58 | linuxalien | Hello |
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| 18:54.41 | mrpull | has anybody used earthlink for their cell phone carrier? |
| 18:55.09 | mrpull | my dad was asking if a $300 treo 650 was a good deal... he'd have to switch to Earthlink |
| 18:55.30 | goozbach | that's about the price for verzion |
| 18:55.50 | mrpull | and that included a bluetooth headset |
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| 19:16.17 | mrpull | can anyone confirm that earthlink is reselling Sprint's voice network? |
| 19:19.34 | decriptor_work | if you had to build a box using postfix as a transport only to do spam and virus filtering how/what would you use |
| 19:25.58 | decriptor_work | does anyone do spam/virus filtering |
| 19:26.01 | decriptor_work | ? |
| 19:26.20 | mrpull | descriptor: http://online.securityfocus.com/infocus/1593 |
| 19:27.56 | mrpull | descriptor: if you don't have the know how, you may want to look into a service. Postini is nice. |
| 19:31.22 | tensai_ | Postini is good. Barracuda Spam Firewalls also work well, and have the bonus of being Linux/Spamassassin-based systems. |
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| 20:17.54 | decriptor_work | just wanted to see what other people do |
| 20:18.13 | decriptor_work | plus what do you learn from using a services |
| 20:19.17 | vontrapp | you learn how to depend on others for your dirty work, of course |
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| 20:21.24 | decriptor_work | yeah but I'd rather depend on them and know how it works so I don't get screwed Plus its like playing with tools I have fun |
| 20:21.36 | decriptor_work | until I'm completely stuck then it sucks :) |
| 20:24.34 | decriptor_work | what do people think about gentoo founder moving to M$ |
| 20:25.39 | vontrapp | i think he's gonna have a heck of a time getting his use flags to work |
| 20:25.44 | JoshH | good riddance :P |
| 20:28.11 | hans | what will he be doing at MS? |
| 20:28.30 | JoshH | "helping them understand open source software and the oss community" |
| 20:28.59 | hans | sounds like a bum job |
| 20:29.08 | JoshH | im sure it pays well though |
| 20:29.56 | hans | "here, tell us about this but nobody will listen and your community will label you a money grabbing loser, but we'll pay you well." |
| 20:30.33 | decriptor_work | in war general you don't show your enemy your how everything works no that its hidden in the open source community but why help them figure it out faster |
| 20:30.43 | RyanE | "we'll pay you well because you're a money grabbing loser." |
| 20:30.44 | JoshH | im sure it wont make much difference |
| 20:31.03 | JoshH | maybe ms is going to try and increase interoperability or something </optimism> |
| 20:31.05 | decriptor_work | M$ has been buy people up as a really fast rate |
| 20:31.16 | decriptor_work | after their samba thing |
| 20:31.36 | RyanE | has been for years, like the lead Delphi designer, back in like '94 |
| 20:31.56 | decriptor_work | sorry I meant linux people and businesses |
| 20:32.25 | decriptor_work | well I |
| 20:32.31 | decriptor_work | ;m about to take off |
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| 20:39.29 | colera | wow this whole thing with mac and intel is crazy |
| 20:44.00 | levi | Crazy, but inevitable. |
| 20:44.37 | colera | i hope i can use osx on my pc someday |
| 20:44.47 | colera | apparently there is already a version leaked |
| 20:44.54 | colera | which rus on x86 |
| 20:44.59 | fungus | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/14/1442212&from=rss |
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| 20:45.19 | dataw0lf|w | I haven't installed it yet, I swear. |
| 20:45.37 | colera | dataw0lf|w: do you have it? |
| 20:46.55 | dataw0lf|w | I burned it right after I installed it and confirmed that, indeed, OS X's crappiness has nothing to do with IBM hardware. |
| 20:47.15 | colera | fungus: i think that it will be crackable though |
| 20:47.36 | colera | dataw0lf|w: lol |
| 20:47.52 | fungus | I mostly just want to run FreeBSD on apple hardware. |
| 20:47.56 | colera | well it's slow cause only a few of the apps arn't running translated |
| 20:48.11 | colera | fungus: are you a bsd user? |
| 20:49.20 | fungus | colera, Sure thing! |
| 20:54.14 | levi | I think OS X will be available on PCs not too long after the x86 Macs are available to consumers, and I think it will happen via virtualized machines. |
| 20:54.53 | JoshH | the only apple hardware i want is a cinema display |
| 20:54.57 | JoshH | or 2, or 3 |
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| 20:59.23 | chrisvv | hi |
| 21:00.08 | chrisvv | have somebody compilled a kernel using ARCH=um .... (user mode linux ) ? |
| 21:00.46 | Newsome | chrisvv: lots of times |
| 21:02.16 | chrisvv | Newsome, how do you integrate the kernel modules into your uml linux ? |
| 21:02.51 | Newsome | chrisvv: build everything in and don't use modules, or loop-mount the root_fs and copy the modules to the right place |
| 21:03.33 | chrisvv | Newsome, where can i find the devfs part on the source ? |
| 21:03.56 | Newsome | chrisvv: what UML kernel version are you trying to compile? |
| 21:05.07 | chrisvv | 2.6.11.11 |
| 21:05.20 | Newsome | chrisvv: don't use devfs. It's deprecated. |
| 21:05.34 | chrisvv | so..... |
| 21:05.45 | Newsome | use a static /dev or use udev |
| 21:06.01 | chrisvv | Newsome, how do i do that ? |
| 21:06.50 | chrisvv | my rootfs i downloaded ,,,as a newbie is Debian-3.0.ext2 |
| 21:07.15 | Newsome | does Debian 3.0 require devfs? |
| 21:07.32 | chrisvv | dont know |
| 21:08.44 | hans | no |
| 21:08.56 | hans | 3.0 predates devfs' popularity |
| 21:09.04 | hans | 3.1 postdates it. :) |
| 21:09.15 | hans | (3.0 == woody, 3.1 == sarge) |
| 21:09.16 | vontrapp | yay |
| 21:09.22 | Newsome | okay, so don't compile devfs |
| 21:10.07 | hans | vontrapp: you can use udev |
| 21:10.27 | vontrapp | startup scripts: not starting udev, need 2.6.8 or higher |
| 21:10.30 | hans | the udev debian maintainer deserves a flogging for putting the check for > 2.6.8 in those scripts |
| 21:10.37 | hans | it was the lazy way out |
| 21:10.59 | hans | just modify the script not to die when that test fails, it will work unless you're doing the particular and uncommon thing that was broken in < 2.6.i8 |
| 21:11.05 | hans | s/i8/8/ |
| 21:11.15 | Newsome | why use such an old kernel? |
| 21:11.18 | vontrapp | and what particular thing is that? |
| 21:11.25 | vontrapp | Newsome: nvidia |
| 21:11.27 | hans | I don't remember. in the bug logs somewhere |
| 21:11.36 | vontrapp | guess i'll try it |
| 21:12.06 | Newsome | uhm, I'm using the nvidia module with 2.6.12-rc4 on this box |
| 21:13.07 | vontrapp | i can get the drivers built and installed, but when i start X i get "screen burn", my lcd is black, then slowly, spots and lines start to fade in as if they're being burned in |
| 21:13.22 | vontrapp | scared me the first time |
| 21:13.28 | vontrapp | but i don't think it damages anything |
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| 21:14.50 | chrisvv | Newsome, it says ..please append correct root="" boot option \ kernel panic - not syncing : VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-lock (98,0) |
| 21:16.03 | Newsome | chrisvv: Here's a script to create the device nodes inside the root_fs - http://www.theshore.net/~caker/uml/makeUBDdev.sh |
| 21:17.29 | chrisvv | Newsome, then what rootfs should i use if im using a "linux-uml-2.6.11-x" ? |
| 21:18.45 | Newsome | linux-uml-2.6.11? Isn't that a kernel? |
| 21:19.19 | chrisvv | Newsome, no ...is just to tell u that is ARCH=um and that is of 2.6.11 series |
| 21:19.20 | vontrapp | whatever you compiled support for in your kernal |
| 21:19.25 | vontrapp | some like to stick with ext3 |
| 21:19.33 | vontrapp | i use reiserfs |
| 21:19.57 | vontrapp | s/kernal/kernel/ |
| 21:20.50 | Newsome | just use the 2.6.11 UML kernel you compiled with a root_fs that has the correct device nodes. It can't use /dev/hd* or /dev/sd* since it's not IDE or SCSI. |
| 21:22.26 | chrisvv | Newsome, where can i find a correct root_fs for this version on uml im trying to make it run ....or where to find a good newbie oriented guide ? |
| 21:23.12 | chrisvv | Newsome, can i alter the devices nodes of the Debian-3.0.ext2 ? |
| 21:23.21 | Newsome | the root_fs will probably work just fine. You just need to create the device nodes |
| 21:23.48 | Newsome | yes, just loop-mount the fs, and create at least the root one |
| 21:24.06 | chrisvv | so i should mount the Debian3.0-ext2 in loop device and chroot it and then run the script ? |
| 21:24.25 | Newsome | sure |
| 21:25.03 | chrisvv | Newsome, one more question ...what is ubd devices ? |
| 21:25.36 | Newsome | ubd devices are the hard drives that UML can access: ubd=UML Block Device |
| 21:28.01 | chrisvv | Newsome, is it necesary to chroot into the looped image to run the script right ? |
| 21:29.24 | Newsome | no, just cd to dev inside the mount |
| 21:32.55 | chrisvv | but are the changes kept into the Debian-3.0.ext file ? |
| 21:33.24 | chrisvv | cause i just did mount -o loop Debian-3.0.ext2 /uml/deb1 |
| 21:33.54 | Newsome | there's nothing in the script that does anything outside the current directory |
| 21:36.17 | chrisvv | Newsome, and is should run linux ubd0=root_fs ? |
| 21:37.44 | Newsome | you may also need to add "root=/dev/ubd" |
| 21:39.48 | vontrapp | how do you play an icecast in itunes? |
| 21:41.04 | chrisvv | Newsome, so the comand should go like "./linux root=/dev/ubd ubd0=Debian-3.0.ext2" ? |
| 21:41.39 | Newsome | try "./linux root=/dev/ubda ubd0=Debian-3.0.ext2" and see if it works. |
| 21:43.27 | vontrapp | has anyone gotten xmms-liveice to work? |
| 21:44.08 | chrisvv | Newsome, failed |
| 21:44.19 | chrisvv | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 21:44.19 | chrisvv | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 21:45.05 | chrisvv | do i need to mount Debian-3.0.ext to run linux ? |
| 21:45.32 | Newsome | no |
| 21:46.14 | chrisvv | Newsome, i wrote ./linux root=/dev/ubda ubd0=Debian-3.0r2.ext2 |
| 21:46.35 | chrisvv | then i need to recompile my kernel ... totally IN |
| 21:46.40 | chrisvv | built in |
| 21:47.19 | Newsome | try this to make sure you compiled in support for UBD: ./linux --showconfig|grep UBD |
| 21:48.08 | chrisvv | didnt let it itn |
| 21:48.37 | Newsome | should have something like: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UBD=y |
| 21:48.47 | chrisvv | im recompile ... but do i need network devices modules built-in ? |
| 21:49.14 | chrisvv | so devfs is deprecated and is replaced by UBD ? |
| 21:49.18 | Newsome | any reason not to compile everything you'll need in? |
| 21:49.32 | Newsome | no, devfs was a way of managing device nodes in /dev. |
| 21:49.48 | Newsome | you've just run the script which created the necessary devices in /dev |
| 21:50.02 | scott | Paintball Kite: hey guys, I want to make a kite that can drop paintballs but I can't make a remote or anything electronic. can anyone think of a mechanical way to do it besides having a separate string coming down that when pulled releases a trap door and lets one ball out? |
| 21:50.26 | Jayce^ | radio |
| 21:50.42 | Jayce^ | read the first issue of Make: it talked about remoting kites |
| 21:50.52 | Jayce^ | but just dropping most paintballs won't work too well |
| 21:51.39 | scott | Jayce, I don't have any electronics skills. you don't think the paintballs would break from a high kite height? I guess I could calculate its speed if I remembered my physics |
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| 21:52.54 | Jayce^ | it depends, some might, but not as well as getting shot |
| 21:53.03 | Jayce^ | they have to be built to withstand some force |
| 21:53.43 | chrisvv | Newsome, |
| 21:54.33 | Newsome | ? |
| 22:00.53 | chrisvv | Newsome, i didnt have support for UBD ...im recompilling the kernel ...it should fix the problem right ? |
| 22:01.06 | Newsome | should fix at least _that_ problem |
| 22:01.27 | chrisvv | Newsome, that a good step into success |
| 22:03.11 | scott | Jayce, the kite article in Make: looks interesting, unfortunately it's not online though |
| 22:04.05 | chrisvv | Newsome, what do u use uml for ? |
| 22:06.12 | Newsome | chrisvv: I run a bunch of UML hosts for classes here at BYU, I work on UML kernel development, I've got a commercial UML provider for my server, and I use UML to mess with development of a parallel init program. |
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| 22:11.41 | Newsome | The host machine usually doesn't need too much memory |
| 22:12.06 | Newsome | The UML will perform better with more memory, but can usually do just about anything the host could have done. |
| 22:12.11 | chrisvv | i got a 512mb to try .... a debian sarge.... i will turn off X :> |
| 22:12.25 | Newsome | X won't really work inside UML anyway |
| 22:12.37 | chrisvv | X on host |
| 22:12.58 | Newsome | Ok. That'll speed it up a bit. |
| 22:13.22 | chrisvv | Newsome, may i bother u some other time on this topic ? |
| 22:13.29 | Newsome | make sure that /tmp is a tmpfs. UML mmaps a file there and uses that as memory. If it's not tmpfs, it'll use regular disk space. |
| 22:13.33 | Newsome | okay |
| 22:13.54 | Newsome | you might also be able to get help on irc.oftc.net #uml |
| 22:14.00 | chrisvv | Newsome, how do i make sure that uml maps /tmp as tmpfs ? |
| 22:14.31 | Newsome | "mount" and see if it lists /tmp |
| 22:15.40 | chrisvv | Newsome, what should i mount? Debxxx and see it it has a /tmp ? |
| 22:15.53 | Newsome | no, on the host machine |
| 22:17.00 | chrisvv | i got a /tmp on host(skas) machine |
| 22:17.49 | Newsome | not really something to worry about until you've got it up & running |
| 22:42.10 | vontrapp | sheesh, makepasswd is just about one of the most braindead programs i've seen |
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| 22:43.14 | tapH20guru | apg is mo betta |
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| 23:34.10 | luminerd | hello |
| 23:34.24 | luminerd | how do you go about making java runtime run in firefox on linux? |
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| 23:51.17 | colera | luminerd: i got it to work |
| 23:51.26 | colera | luminerd: recently also |
| 23:52.08 | colera | luminerd: sun has a HOWTO when you go to download java |
| 23:52.15 | colera | it's not too hard |
| 23:52.19 | luminerd | colera, I see |
| 23:52.32 | luminerd | I see the howto, confusing a bit but Ill try to get through it heh |
| 23:52.32 | luminerd | thanks |
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| 23:52.52 | colera | yeah bascailly you untar the dowload |
| 23:53.13 | colera | then you make a symlink to from the plugin in the download into the firefox plugins directory |
| 23:55.21 | luminerd | colera, what if I don't want to keep the dir in the same place it is? |
| 23:55.27 | colera | move it |
| 23:55.48 | colera | then just make sure you have the symlink pointing in the right place |
| 23:56.04 | colera | just make sure you don't rename the java root dir |
| 23:56.32 | luminerd | I see |
