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| 01:53.18 | Maquis | brailsmt: how's life? |
| 01:57.14 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 01:57.21 | Hhhhh | hi Maquis |
| 01:57.25 | Maquis | hhhhhiii Hhhhh |
| 01:57.30 | Maquis | how's it going?> |
| 01:57.43 | Hhhhh | very well, just cooking dinner |
| 01:58.35 | Hhhhh | ok guys, question: I have an extra Pentium 3 500Mhz with 192MB RAM, and I feel like trying a new, widely-used distro (other than my good ol' Fedora and SuSE). Any suggestions? |
| 01:58.50 | Maquis | new? |
| 01:58.59 | Hhhhh | I've been thinking of either Mandriva, Slackware, Gentoo or Debian |
| 01:59.05 | Maquis | or do you mean new to you? |
| 01:59.06 | Maquis | ah... |
| 01:59.08 | Maquis | gentoo is fun |
| 01:59.09 | Hhhhh | new to me |
| 01:59.12 | indessed | Gentoo would take years to compile on that box, hehe. |
| 01:59.17 | Maquis | true |
| 01:59.22 | Maquis | but it's a fun distro |
| 01:59.27 | Hhhhh | I don't know if I'll like the compiling session though |
| 01:59.29 | indessed | I'd probably recommend Slackware or Debian (although I've never tried Slackware). |
| 01:59.29 | Maquis | ubuntu is supposed to be really good |
| 01:59.37 | indessed | Ooh, or Ubuntu. |
| 01:59.42 | Maquis | i've been meaning to try slack... |
| 01:59.49 | Maquis | sometime i'm gonna try lfs |
| 02:00.11 | osynic | bleh @ slac |
| 02:00.12 | indessed | I've tried Ubuntu and I hate it, but then again I hate Debian too, and you'll never know until you try :-) |
| 02:00.14 | osynic | +k |
| 02:01.12 | Maquis | osynic: i take it you've used slack? |
| 02:01.15 | xbmodder | sup all? |
| 02:01.23 | osynic | Maquis: yeah, I was a slack user for 2 years |
| 02:01.23 | byronc | slack was my first distro |
| 02:01.24 | indessed | evenin' xbmodder |
| 02:01.49 | indessed | (and others) |
| 02:02.29 | mheath | Good evening. |
| 02:02.34 | mheath | How was everyone's day? :) |
| 02:03.40 | Hhhhh | hmm, maybe I should try Ubuntu |
| 02:04.05 | Hhhhh | xbmodder: hey |
| 02:04.27 | Hhhhh | xbmodder: follow-up question from last night. |
| 02:04.44 | Hhhhh | what about gentoo in a PIII 500Mhz with 192MB RAM> |
| 02:04.50 | Hhhhh | too long to compile? |
| 02:05.02 | Hhhhh | I don't want something that'll take more than 1 1/2 hr to install |
| 02:05.15 | mheath | Hhhhh: stage one will be about 24 hours |
| 02:05.19 | mheath | thats for the bootstap and the emerge system |
| 02:05.22 | Hhhhh | eww |
| 02:05.25 | Maquis | Hhhhh: umm.... scratch gentoo off the list if you want < 1.5 hrs |
| 02:05.32 | Hhhhh | k, no gentoo then |
| 02:05.33 | mheath | longer depending on if your USE is really big |
| 02:05.34 | indessed | Hhhhh: Gentoo will take more than 1.5 hours even if you've got a 3ghz machine |
| 02:05.35 | Maquis | my first gentoo install took almost 4 days |
| 02:05.54 | Hhhhh | so, Ubuntu? Slackware? Debian? |
| 02:06.00 | Hhhhh | i'm trying to choose from those 3 |
| 02:06.01 | Maquis | although most of that time wasn't actually compiling... |
| 02:06.10 | indessed | Sounds like Ubuntu is your best choice. |
| 02:06.18 | Hhhhh | k, Ubuntu it is then |
| 02:06.20 | indessed | I doubt you'll get either of the other two installed in less than 1.5 hours |
| 02:06.30 | mheath | Slackware |
| 02:06.35 | mheath | in my opinion |
| 02:06.47 | mheath | It installs in about 20 minutes |
| 02:07.36 | Hhhhh | well, I guess Ubuntu and Debian are similar. What are the main differences with Slackware? |
| 02:07.56 | xbmodder | Hhhhh, sweet |
| 02:08.06 | mheath | Slackware is a very conservative distro |
| 02:08.14 | mheath | hmm...how to describe slackware....heh. |
| 02:08.14 | xbmodder | debian |
| 02:08.26 | xbmodder | mheath, debian is optimized |
| 02:08.32 | mheath | uh. |
| 02:08.32 | Hhhhh | mheath: what do you mean by conservative? |
| 02:09.05 | mheath | Hhhhh: the software choices, the bootscripts, the slackware-specific tools |
| 02:09.36 | mheath | all tends to be just....conservatively chosen. No uneeded bloat. No weird potentially unstable very cutting edge software... |
| 02:09.52 | indessed | mheath: hmm... so in other words, really old? |
| 02:09.57 | mheath | No. |
| 02:10.06 | mheath | As an example... |
| 02:10.07 | Hhhhh | hmm, what about Mandriva? |
| 02:10.14 | mheath | Slackware still uses 2.4 by default |
| 02:10.25 | indessed | mheath: Like I said, really old ;-) |
| 02:10.25 | mheath | (comes with a 2.6 kernel in the testing/ directory) |
| 02:10.29 | byronc | xbmodder: debian, optimized? how so? |
| 02:10.31 | Maquis | Hhhhh: not mandriva |
| 02:10.45 | mheath | Just because things are maintained in a very stable, simple way |
| 02:10.58 | Hhhhh | heh, please don't start a distro war, I just want to know the features/highlights of each distro |
| 02:11.05 | indessed | Hhhhh: I think mandriva is a good distro, but it's very KDE-centric, |
| 02:11.12 | Hhhhh | well, I love KDE :) |
| 02:11.17 | indessed | and I wouldn't run a KDE desktop on a 500mhz machine for anything. |
| 02:11.24 | Hhhhh | ok |
| 02:11.27 | mheath | Slackware is really only KDE now |
| 02:11.28 | indessed | Oh, well, if you're planning to run KDE anyway, go with Mandriva then :-) |
| 02:11.28 | Hhhhh | point taken |
| 02:11.41 | indessed | I like KDE, I really do, |
| 02:11.49 | Hhhhh | I might give xfce a try |
| 02:11.51 | indessed | it just tends to *not* be a lightweight desktop environment. |
| 02:11.52 | mheath | I am Enlightened :) |
| 02:12.01 | Hhhhh | i know it's not lightweight |
| 02:12.09 | mheath | indessed: DR16 or 17? |
| 02:12.13 | indessed | DR16 |
| 02:12.19 | indessed | haven't got around to trying out 17 |
| 02:13.23 | Hhhhh | well, I started download of Ubuntu already, it'll take about 35 mins. I'll try that one, and Mandriva, Slackware and others later |
| 02:13.40 | Hhhhh | thanks guys |
| 02:13.43 | indessed | np |
| 02:13.57 | mheath | Hhhhh: you should also consider giving some other free operating systems a try |
| 02:14.30 | mheath | *BSD, Solaris (only free as in beer now, thats soon to change), GNU |
| 02:14.34 | indessed | mheath: Depends on what Hhhhh is trying to do, of course. |
| 02:14.47 | mheath | KDE doesn't run perfectly on GNU yet, though.... |
| 02:14.56 | indessed | I wouldn't use any of those as a primary desktop environment. |
| 02:15.12 | mheath | Eh, Solaris I would |
| 02:15.23 | mheath | But other than that, I agree. |
| 02:15.27 | indessed | Depends on what apps you'd want to run |
| 02:15.39 | indessed | (for me at least) |
| 02:15.45 | mheath | Lots of Linux stuff runs on Solaris |
| 02:16.06 | indessed | It runs, yes, but it's just not as easy to get running as most linux distros. |
| 02:16.27 | mheath | CDE is ugly, too, I've decided |
| 02:16.29 | mheath | =\ |
| 02:16.33 | indessed | So if your primary purpose in installing a distro is to learn about different distros/operating systems and have fun, that's cool, |
| 02:16.51 | indessed | but if your primary purpose is to get some work done and you just want to see if a different distro makes that easier ... |
| 02:18.09 | mheath | GNU is rapidly become a stable operating system, too |
| 02:18.25 | mheath | The switch over to l4 (soon) will change a lot |
| 02:21.59 | Maquis | question for people: |
| 02:22.18 | Newsome | answer: 42 |
| 02:22.20 | Maquis | i've been getting a bit restless with sunbird and am looking for a new calendar system... |
| 02:22.31 | Maquis | i've mentioned this on here, but i'm still having troubles finding anything... |
| 02:22.34 | indessed | Maquis: still haven't found a good one yet, eh? |
| 02:22.34 | Maquis | Newsome: thanks :) |
| 02:22.42 | Maquis | indessed: not a good one that i can get compiled |
| 02:22.57 | Maquis | i've found a couple that sounded good, but give compile errors when i try to install them |
| 02:23.32 | indessed | that stinks |
| 02:23.36 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 02:23.38 | Maquis | it really does |
| 02:24.34 | mheath | Maquis: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/12/017227&tid=185&tid=4 |
| 02:25.18 | Maquis | if only apple would provide a free linux release of icalendar... |
| 02:26.38 | mheath | you might find something useful in those comments |
| 02:26.40 | mheath | then again its slashdot |
| 02:26.45 | mheath | so you probably won't... |
| 02:26.47 | Maquis | i'm looking |
| 02:26.57 | Maquis | so far it appears most of the votes are for outlook... :( |
| 02:30.11 | levi | Why do you guys hate the Outlook interface so much? |
| 02:30.52 | mheath | http://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar:Lightning |
| 02:31.00 | mheath | Lightning will soon be replacing Sunbird |
| 02:31.07 | mheath | and its apparently supposed to be a lot better |
| 02:31.32 | Maquis | levi: it just has a lot of things i don't want... and it's not very pretty |
| 02:32.08 | Maquis | i don't want something that's integrated with email |
| 02:32.20 | Maquis | i've got an email client already... i want them separate... |
| 02:34.17 | levi | Well, email is an easy way to communicate shared/group calendaring stuff, so you're going to find most calendar systems that claim to be useful at least somewhat integrated with email. |
| 02:34.33 | Maquis | i don't need that though... |
| 02:34.54 | Maquis | i just want a personal calendar which looks nice, runs moderately quickly, and has todo lists |
| 02:35.00 | levi | So? It's driving the market for calendaring systems. |
| 02:35.08 | levi | You don't have to use the email features. |
| 02:35.22 | Maquis | but can i choose not to install the email features? |
| 02:35.22 | indessed | Maquis: Why not make your own? |
| 02:35.31 | Maquis | indessed: i don't have time |
| 02:35.34 | levi | Maquis: Probably not. |
| 02:36.03 | indessed | what's the big deal about having extra features? does the extra 10mb of hard drive space really kill ya? |
| 02:36.11 | Maquis | levi: that's the problem... i'm trying not to install things i don't need... |
| 02:36.16 | levi | Maquis: But in evolution, for example, you can not configure any email accounts, and just ignore them. |
| 02:37.07 | levi | Maquis: No, there doesn't have to be exactly what you want someplace out there. |
| 02:37.14 | indessed | Sadly enough not. |
| 02:37.21 | Maquis | :( |
| 02:37.27 | levi | Maquis: The world doesn't owe you exactly the software you want, unless you're willing to pay for it. |
| 02:37.47 | indessed | There just doesn't seem to be a large market for a calendar system without any email functionality. |
| 02:38.02 | Maquis | but there are so many calendars... |
| 02:38.27 | levi | Maquis: And most people who use calendars want to share appointments, so they're integrated with email. |
| 02:40.01 | Maquis | :( |
| 02:40.20 | indessed | sad but true |
| 02:41.41 | indessed | Cool. I just figured out how to run gdb with PalmOS. |
| 02:41.58 | indessed | I truly hate C programming, but gdb sure makes it easier. |
| 02:42.23 | levi | Yes... yay for gdb. :) |
| 02:42.33 | levi | I would be hating life at work without gdb. |
| 02:43.21 | indessed | At first I thought there was no way to do it, since everything is run through an emulator (POSE). |
| 02:43.42 | indessed | Fortunately there's a version of gdb which communicates with POSE through sockets, believe it enough. |
| 02:44.37 | indessed | Do you do a lot of C programming, levi? |
| 02:44.45 | levi | indessed: Unfortunately, yes. |
| 02:45.09 | indessed | maybe you can give me some ideas, then. |
| 02:45.23 | levi | Perhaps. What are you trying to do? |
| 02:45.24 | indessed | I'm trying to store a series of moves (for a game) in a tree-like format, |
| 02:45.55 | indessed | but my current struct is nothing but headaches, so I'm trying to think of a cleaner way to do it. |
| 02:46.12 | indessed | Unfortunately, I'm not very experienced in writing "clean" code without OO abilities. |
| 02:46.19 | levi | Tree-like structures in C are nothing but headaches. :) |
| 02:46.25 | indessed | Darn :-) |
| 02:46.55 | indessed | Add to that trying to figure out some file format to store these trees in, and parsing from that file format into the C structure-- |
| 02:46.59 | indessed | nothing but nightmares. |
| 02:47.24 | levi | Yuck. |
| 02:47.40 | indessed | My current struct looks like this: |
| 02:47.40 | indessed | typedef struct node { struct node* parent; struct node* child; struct node* sibling; } |
| 02:48.20 | levi | That's the problem with C. You have to spend most of your programming time re-solving well-solved programs. Often problems you've well-solved before, too. |
| 02:48.36 | indessed | Anyway, maybe the two things C is terrible at is parsing and tree data structures. |
| 02:48.44 | indessed | Which means I'm just screwed :-) |
| 02:49.47 | indessed | It's working ... at the moment, thanks to gdb ... but I keep finding bugs in this area, which makes me think that I'm doing something wrong on a larger scale. |
| 02:49.50 | levi | Well, C isn't particularly more terrible at those things than any other higher-level task. If you can compose your problem into arrays and arithmetic, then C works fine. ;) |
| 02:50.26 | indessed | Hmmm... somehow these files I'm trying to parse don't seem to be arranged into arrays and arithmetic :-) |
| 02:51.05 | luminerd | How do I make my 2.6.11.12 kernel my default kernel? |
| 02:51.12 | luminerd | what do I chance in lilo.conf? |
| 02:51.51 | indessed | luminerd: If you are, in fact, using lilo, and the kernel is already installed, just point all references to old-kernel-version files to new-kernel-version files. |
| 02:52.15 | luminerd | indessed, keeping old kernel as a failsafe...so I'll have dual kernels |
| 02:52.18 | indessed | (then run lilo from the command line to install the changed configuration) |
| 02:52.21 | levi | indessed: What sort of problems are you having with your tree structure? |
| 02:52.48 | indessed | levi: mostly pointer problems |
| 02:53.03 | levi | indessed: In add/remove type functions? |
| 02:53.30 | indessed | levi: it was actually in the "free memory" function that cleaned up the data structure, |
| 02:53.51 | indessed | apparently one of the child/sibling pointers wasn't getting initialized, so that function was trying to clean up something out of address space |
| 02:54.31 | indessed | also my parser isn't very robust, and my file format is pretty much just "go to child, add node, go to parent's parent, add node," etc., |
| 02:55.04 | indessed | so if there's an error in the file it's parsing, you might end up with a node not getting cleaned up, or a node getting referenced twice, or something like that. |
| 02:55.30 | luminerd | indessed, I think you miss what I am saying. both kernels work perfectly, and I can boot fine off either one. But I want my 2.6 to boot defaultedly, as right now my failsafe boots defaultedly. |
| 02:56.00 | indessed | luminerd: I see. Doesn't lilo have a "default" option somewhere in the conf file? Or is that grub I'm thinking of? |
| 02:56.07 | indessed | (Sorry, I haven't used lilo for quite a while.) |
| 02:56.30 | luminerd | indessed, not that I see, heh |
| 02:56.50 | levi | Well, if there's a secret to making 'clean' complex structures in C, I don't know it. The best you can hope for is robust, and that comes with lots of thinking about what could possibly go wrong and coding defensively, and writing test functions at as low a level as possible. |
| 02:57.32 | levi | I spent most of the last week banging my head against hairy C data structures. I think I finally got mine tamed. |
| 02:57.51 | indessed | luminerd: just did a google search, they all said there's some "default" option in lilo.conf. Did you do a search for the text string "default"? |
| 02:58.27 | indessed | levi: I think most of my problems come because I'm treating the input file as sacrosanct, i.e. doing whatever it says to do, regardless of whether it totally messes up my tree or not. |
| 02:58.33 | luminerd | indessed, didn't think of that. thanks :) |
| 02:58.58 | luminerd | hmm, no default |
| 02:59.00 | luminerd | ah! |
| 02:59.08 | luminerd | ##slackware says to just add it and it will owrk |
| 02:59.11 | luminerd | *work |
| 02:59.14 | luminerd | thanks indessed :) |
| 02:59.24 | indessed | I'll have to think about how to code defensively against errors that might happen in the file, I think. |
| 02:59.30 | indessed | luminerd: you're welcome :-) |
| 02:59.51 | levi | indessed: If you can transform your config file syntax into a grammar in which a well-formed text will always be valid, you can fairly easily write a parser that will reject invalid constructions as soon as it comes across them. |
| 03:00.52 | indessed | levi: That's a most excellent idea. I'll have to ponder that some more. |
| 03:01.31 | indessed | It may be worth it to go with a more complex file format, actually. |
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| 03:01.51 | indessed | I was trying to avoid that, but I hadn't thought that it might actually be simpler to parse a more complicated format. Hmmm. |
| 03:02.04 | levi | indessed: Yeah, it's kind of funny how it works that way sometimes. |
| 03:03.23 | xbmodder | hey |
| 03:05.51 | levi | Hey. |
| 03:06.38 | Maquis | wow... google's translation of monocalendar's website is pretty bad |
| 03:06.39 | xbmodder | levi, how are you? |
| 03:06.48 | Maquis | "Why arose east project?" |
| 03:07.08 | levi | xbmodder: Pretty good. |
| 03:08.02 | xbmodder | cool |
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| 03:27.58 | indessed | hey levi, do you have/know of any simple parsing examples in C? |
| 03:28.23 | indessed | I've done plenty of parsing in other languages, but I want to make sure I'm not missing out on some "standard" way of doing it in C. |
| 03:28.24 | levi | Maquis: I think if you amortized the time you've been spending looking for a calendar over the time you'll spend using one, you'd more than lose out on the time you'd save by using one without email fetures. |
| 03:28.45 | Maquis | levi: yes.. but at least this way i might find one i like |
| 03:28.54 | indessed | levi: I think she could have written one in the amount of time :-) That's what I did, after all. |
| 03:29.40 | indessed | :-) |
| 03:29.54 | Maquis | ~eatworms |
| 03:30.09 | Maquis | ~worms |
| 03:30.10 | ibot | worms are in terry's compost bin |
| 03:30.19 | Maquis | ~eat worms |
| 03:30.21 | ibot | ACTION eats worms and falls over dead |
| 03:30.21 | levi | indessed: Hmm. Well, what kind of parsing do you mean? Most of what I've written has been fairly simple, but the strategy would probably change for a more complex parser. |
| 03:30.30 | Maquis | no.... that's not what i want |
| 03:30.34 | Maquis | ~eat-worms |
| 03:31.28 | levi | indessed: For parsing a file, mmap is handy. |
| 03:31.43 | misterpull | Maquis: Hula looks fun... still not mature, but shows great potential |
| 03:31.52 | indessed | levi: It's got a pretty simple EBNF definition, |
| 03:31.58 | indessed | about 8 lines or so. |
| 03:32.48 | indessed | I was just going to write a file full of functions, so if you had something like: |
| 03:32.48 | indessed | Collection = GameTree { GameTree } |
| 03:32.48 | indessed | GameTree = "(" Sequence { GameTree } ")" |
| 03:33.17 | xbmodder | Terrorist are quite stupid... |
| 03:33.19 | indessed | I'd write: parseCollection(); |
| 03:33.29 | indessed | which would be a function that looked like this: parseGameTree(); |
| 03:33.56 | indessed | which would be a function that looked like this: if (file[pos] != '(') parse error; parseSequence(); ... |
| 03:34.00 | levi | Do you want to separate out lexing from parsing, or do them at the same time? |
| 03:34.02 | indessed | (etc. and so forth. make sense?) |
| 03:34.17 | indessed | levi: Hm. Good question. Have you found either way is particularly easier? |
| 03:34.21 | indessed | I've always done them at the same time. |
| 03:34.54 | indessed | Also, is one less memory/cpu intensive? I'm writing this for a Palm, if you recall :-) |
| 03:35.05 | levi | Well, the parsing becomes cleaner when you've lexed beforehand. |
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| 03:36.01 | levi | But it probably takes less memory to do them at the same time. |
| 03:36.27 | levi | And I don't think you can mmap on a Palm, so that's out. |
| 03:37.07 | indessed | levi: no, but I think that's just a function for getting a file into memory, right? Assume I already have a character array of the file/record I'm wanting to parse. |
| 03:37.47 | levi | indessed: Okay. Well, if you have things formatted so you can use scanf, that makes things easier. |
| 03:38.15 | levi | Otherwise you end up doing messy strcmps and such. |
| 03:38.17 | indessed | levi: Hmm.. I'm not sure there's a scanf ... |
| 03:38.30 | levi | scanf is in the standard C library. |
| 03:38.41 | levi | I'd be surprised if it was absent. |
| 03:38.42 | indessed | palm doesn't use the standard C library, unfortunately :-P |
| 03:38.48 | indessed | http://www.palmos.com/dev/support/docs/palmos/PalmOSReference/StringManager.html |
| 03:40.05 | xbmodder | Does anyone know any good video chat software for Linux that is also compatible with windows and Macs (H.* standard maybe?) and the video chat can be recorded? |
| 03:40.28 | levi | indessed: Hmm, yuck. |
| 03:40.34 | indessed | Embedded programming :-P I guess I should be glad I'm not writing assembly, eh? |
| 03:40.43 | levi | indessed: Yeah. :) |
| 03:40.45 | indessed | :-) |
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| 03:40.57 | xbmodder | ~welcome Hhhhh |
| 03:40.58 | ibot | Hhhhh, Sup yo? |
| 03:41.02 | levi | indessed: There's always LispMe for Palm. ;) |
| 03:41.14 | indessed | :-) |
| 03:41.41 | Hhhhh | hey, anybody knows where I can find the Slackware CD ISOs other than from the BitTorrent? |
| 03:41.53 | levi | Anyway, you'll probably end up doing StrCompares and seeking for characters and such in your array. |
| 03:42.51 | indessed | I think all the terminals are single characters anyway, so it'll be (char == ';') and the like rather than StrCompares, I think. |
| 03:43.59 | indessed | But do you think using a function for each non-terminal is an okay way to approach it? |
| 03:44.37 | Maquis | Hhhhh: google gave me this: http://www.fileplanet.com/119474/110000/fileinfo/Slackware-Linux-v9.0-Install-ISO |
| 03:44.49 | Maquis | don't know if it's current or what... but it appears to be a slackware iso... |
| 03:45.06 | tensai | yuck, fileplanet |
| 03:45.27 | tensai | http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=17 |
| 03:45.44 | tensai | the links there are round robin dns. some of them work, some don't. try a few times. |
| 03:45.51 | Maquis | tensai: never used them... i just went for the first thing listed in google... |
| 03:47.27 | tensai | Maquis: it used to be nice then they got too popular. implemented queues and forced registration. I hate sites that make you sign up to get content. I refuse. |
| 03:48.09 | Maquis | tensai: ah... |
| 03:48.53 | Hhhhh | thanks Maquis, I was looking for version 10.2 |
| 03:49.07 | Hhhhh | I'm just gonna go for Ubuntu since I already have the CD burned and all |
| 03:49.31 | Hhhhh | tensai: FilePlanet isn't bad |
| 03:49.48 | Hhhhh | tensai: if you are nocturnal like I am, you don'ty have to wait for downloads |
| 03:50.05 | Hhhhh | and they have nice stuff, no old redundant downloads |
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| 04:01.03 | Maquis | ~lart tensai |
| 04:01.58 | indessed | Maquis: "apt-get install php" ... very easy ;-) |
| 04:02.35 | Maquis | indessed: it's there... but for some reason the apache modules aren't |
| 04:12.34 | indessed | Sorry, you should have used Fedora ;-) |
| 04:12.51 | Maquis | you know... i would agree... except that i haven't been having any luck with apt-get at work... |
| 04:12.57 | Maquis | so apt-get is my enemy right now |
| 04:13.07 | Maquis | so, i'm not even going to consider anything involving it right now |
| 04:13.08 | indessed | It's all about the repositories. |
| 04:13.50 | Hhhhh | ~lart xbmodder |
| 04:13.50 | Maquis | ummm... well... i run apt-get update and it says it's brought everything down... and then i run apt-cache search and it fails |
| 04:13.59 | Maquis | kinda like the stupidity with locate |
| 04:14.10 | indessed | sounds quite strange. |
| 04:14.20 | Maquis | i spent a while and finally got to the point where locate *might* find what i'm looking for before seg-faulting |
| 04:14.30 | Maquis | ~lart rh7.2 |
| 04:14.36 | indessed | that sounds /very/ strange. |
| 04:15.02 | Maquis | indessed: yeah... it is... but i'm pretty sure it's from the way they have their systems set up... |
| 04:15.13 | indessed | Anything involving segfaults is bad news. |
| 04:15.25 | Hhhhh | I lve segfaults |
| 04:15.30 | Hhhhh | I love segfaults |
| 04:16.21 | indessed | Hey, what's a C function to see if a character exists in a given String (char[]) ? |
| 04:16.57 | Hhhhh | strchr |
| 04:17.18 | indessed | aha, just what I need. Now to see if it's in the palm libraries ... |
| 04:17.27 | Hhhhh | http://www.cppreference.com/stdstring/strchr.html |
| 04:17.58 | indessed | Beautiful. "StrChr()" in PalmOS. |
| 04:56.41 | hans | anyone an sqlite guru? |
| 04:57.06 | indessed | I've used it before. That's about as much as I can claim :-) |
| 05:03.37 | mrpull- | 2 |
| 05:03.37 | mrpull- | 213/ |
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| 05:20.49 | mrpull- | hey all...aren't there quite a few irssi fans here? |
| 05:23.50 | goozbach | yup |
| 05:23.52 | goozbach | me too |
| 05:23.54 | goozbach | :) |
| 05:24.15 | mrpull- | any suggestions for howto pages, etc... it looks like the irssi wiki is gone |
| 05:24.54 | mrpull- | i'm ready to ditch my normal irc client |
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| 05:26.50 | goozbach | I was pretty happy with the defaults |
| 05:27.00 | goozbach | i have'nt configured anything |
| 05:30.33 | mrpull- | i'll have to tinker with highlighting, etc. |
| 05:31.29 | Hhhhh | what is it mrpull? |
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| 05:32.28 | mrpull- | what is my normal irc client? |
| 05:32.33 | mrpull- | trillian (on windows) |
| 05:33.35 | Hhhhh | oh, I was just wondering what you guys were talking about, I just connected in the middle of the conversation and I'm curious. I guess you were talking about IRC clients |
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| 05:33.54 | mrpull- | Hhhhh: correct. |
| 05:34.28 | mrpull- | Hhhhh: i'm playing with irssi... are you a fan? |
| 05:35.04 | Hhhhh | no, I thought you guys were talking about graphics or something like that. I use mIRC in Windows and xchat in linux |
| 05:36.30 | mrpull- | i've used gaim/kopote on my linux machines... but i'm starting to think that just using screen/irssi could save me some frustration |
| 05:37.06 | Hhhhh | for MSN I use MSN Messenger in Windows and Gaim in Linux |
| 05:37.12 | Hhhhh | I like Gaim quite a bit |
| 05:37.19 | Hhhhh | I used to use Trillian too, and I loved it |
| 05:37.27 | mrpull- | i bought the pro version |
| 05:37.41 | Hhhhh | oh |
| 05:37.41 | mrpull- | of trillian. it works well for me. |
| 05:37.45 | Hhhhh | cool |
| 05:39.09 | flyboy^ | I hate IM. |
| 05:39.16 | flyboy^ | Death to it. |
| 05:39.39 | Hhhhh | nice battery flyboy, btw |
| 05:39.53 | Hhhhh | IM can be nice |
| 05:40.01 | Hhhhh | I've used it for work a lot |
| 05:40.07 | Hhhhh | it's been very useful |
| 05:40.08 | flyboy^ | That's why I hate it. |
| 05:40.11 | flyboy^ | It's a leash. |
| 05:40.14 | Hhhhh | oh, I understand ;) |
| 05:40.24 | flyboy^ | The SECOND I log in someone at work rudly starts asking questions. |
| 05:40.26 | Hhhhh | true, it can be a leash |
| 05:40.29 | mrpull- | heh. |
| 05:40.36 | Hhhhh | where do you work at? |
| 05:40.41 | mrpull- | sometimes it is a lot easier than a phone conversation tho |
| 05:40.46 | Hhhhh | (if you don't mind me asking) |
| 05:40.50 | mrpull- | mosttimes |
| 05:40.52 | flyboy^ | Hhhhh: Right now I'm at WestHost: www.westhost.com |
| 05:41.14 | flyboy^ | I don't mind sharing where I work. It's not like #utah is THAT secret. :0 |
| 05:41.36 | Hhhhh | all right, so you do customer support? |
| 05:41.47 | flyboy^ | I'm a Sr. Linux Sys Admin there. |
| 05:41.51 | Hhhhh | oh cool |
| 05:42.15 | flyboy^ | But, the techs are the main ones to really pound me with IMs - esspecially in the morning. |
| 05:42.30 | flyboy^ | Not that I mind particularly, but it is a rather rude form of communication if you think about it. |
| 05:42.53 | flyboy^ | Here I am working on some emergence when --- pop, pop, pop ... 6 new chat sessions to deal with. |
| 05:43.18 | flyboy^ | I guess I haven't figured out the whole "I'm Away" status or something. :) |
| 05:43.55 | Hhhhh | I still prefer IM over phone, at least you can simply set Away and ignore them for a while |
| 05:44.53 | flyboy^ | At least with the phone I can queue people. |
| 05:45.03 | mrpull- | most IM clients have a do not disturb feature |
| 05:45.09 | Hhhhh | also, I did an internship at Novell, and it was nice to just IM someone instead of walking a whole freakin mile to their office on the other side of campus |
| 05:45.26 | Hhhhh | and I prefer typing instead of talking, less effort |
| 05:46.39 | flyboy^ | I don't think one can truley appriciate the annoynce that is IM until you have had 9 or 10 people IM you at the exact same time all wanting different things. |
| 05:47.18 | Hhhhh | well, then you can unexpectedly "crash" your IM |
| 05:47.27 | mrpull- | yikes. that would drive me to drink. but that is still better than 9 people on the phone at once. |
| 05:47.34 | mrpull- | I can multiplex IM |
| 05:47.45 | Hhhhh | crash as in "turn it off and back on", and then "oh, sorry I missed your IM, it crashed" |
| 05:47.57 | flyboy^ | That's the joy with the phone - one person at a time really. Everyone else lands in the voicemail - which acts as a sort of throttle. |
| 05:48.11 | Hhhhh | yea, that's true as well |
| 05:49.15 | flyboy^ | My favorite IM from a co-worker: "R U goING 2 fix my prob? HAr Har!?" |
| 05:49.28 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 05:50.15 | flyboy^ | IM is just so... expressive. |
| 05:53.29 | mrpull- | midnight. time for bed. |
| 06:09.22 | Hhhhh | anybody else that can't go to sleep? |
| 06:09.40 | flyboy^ | I'm in that crowd tonight. |
| 06:10.09 | Hhhhh | going to school, flyboy? |
| 06:10.15 | flyboy^ | Naa, working. |
| 06:10.26 | flyboy^ | Bills to pay, mouths to feed. |
| 06:10.31 | Hhhhh | gotcha |
| 06:11.02 | Hhhhh | hmm, I guess that since you're Sr. sys admin, you wouldn't be in school |
| 06:11.10 | Hhhhh | should have figured out |
| 06:14.00 | flyboy^ | Hhhhh: Are you in school? |
| 06:15.44 | Hhhhh | yea, have one year left of CS |
| 06:16.07 | Hhhhh | well, more like one year of GEs, only one CS class left |
| 06:16.20 | flyboy^ | Which school? |
| 06:16.24 | Hhhhh | Y |
| 06:16.46 | flyboy^ | I've always been impressed with the guys from BYU. Seems they have a pretty good CS program there. |
| 06:16.55 | Hhhhh | they focus on Linux a lot |
| 06:17.03 | flyboy^ | We've hired a couple guys right out of BYU - they hit the ground running. |
| 06:17.25 | Hhhhh | yea, there are plenty of guys with experience here |
| 06:17.42 | Hhhhh | it's not the program though, classes don't focus much on technical experience |
| 06:18.06 | Hhhhh | but there is a big group of hard-core linux fans that are pretty talented |
| 06:18.51 | flyboy^ | Well, I'm sure there are exceptions, but most of the grads I've seem from the Y have been a cut above many others. |
| 06:19.15 | Hhhhh | that's nice to know |
| 06:20.18 | flyboy^ | Do you have something lined up for work after you're done? |
| 06:20.34 | Hhhhh | it's not a bad program at all, I have quite a few suggestions but I am fairly pleased with what i've been learning |
| 06:20.47 | Hhhhh | no, i'm planning on grad school |
| 06:21.08 | flyboy^ | Would you like to go into research? |
| 06:21.13 | Hhhhh | i'm not into distributed systems although I've been doing it for a while |
| 06:21.18 | Hhhhh | yea, research and teaching |
| 06:21.26 | Hhhhh | i'm interested in graphics |
| 06:21.55 | flyboy^ | That's great. I have a fondness for that line of work. I'm sort of an armchair (very armchair) physicist/fan. |
| 06:22.05 | Hhhhh | i've done web programming and other things related to it for work for a while, but I like graphics research a lot |
| 06:22.16 | flyboy^ | That's really great. |
| 06:22.17 | Hhhhh | that's cool |
| 06:22.47 | flyboy^ | What is it about graphics that excites you the most? |
| 06:23.09 | Hhhhh | heh, good question. I just like the level of reality that can be achieved |
| 06:23.25 | Hhhhh | I like the math that goes into it, the hardware tricks, the level of detail |
| 06:23.31 | flyboy^ | Yeah - I've been more and more impressed with the quality of work being produced. |
| 06:23.50 | flyboy^ | I had a stint as a 3D Animator. |
| 06:23.57 | Hhhhh | I've been taking graduate classes in graphics because I ran out of the undergraduate ones :) |
| 06:24.02 | Hhhhh | cool |
| 06:24.25 | Hhhhh | I was able to trick my advisor into letting me count those grad classes as senior ones |
| 06:24.54 | flyboy^ | I know that E&S is big time into that stuff. Doesn't the U have a pretty interesting history with computer graphics? |
| 06:25.11 | Hhhhh | they have a terrific history in that field |
| 06:25.42 | flyboy^ | I know just a bit about it - I know that in it's day they were doing some great stuff. |
| 06:25.49 | flyboy^ | I'm not so sure it stands true today though. |
| 06:26.07 | Hhhhh | yea, the stuff done at the U really marked graphics research in the 70's and 80's |
| 06:26.22 | flyboy^ | Didn't E&S - the U and SGI have some common roots or threads there? |
| 06:26.24 | Hhhhh | they've been eclipsed by other schools lately, although they're still good |
| 06:26.34 | Hhhhh | yes |
| 06:27.13 | flyboy^ | Are you going to try to do post-grad work there at all? |
| 06:27.21 | Hhhhh | not at the U |
| 06:27.27 | flyboy^ | Or does BYU offer an equally competitive program? |
| 06:27.32 | flyboy^ | Or, some other school? |
| 06:27.33 | Hhhhh | I'm planning on going somewhere on the East coastr |
| 06:27.38 | Hhhhh | no, BYU doesn't |
| 06:27.47 | Hhhhh | they have a nice graphics department |
| 06:27.53 | Hhhhh | but they can't compare to other ones |
| 06:28.30 | Hhhhh | MIT, Cornell, Berkley, Washington, CalTech, Gatech, UNC at Chapel Hill |
| 06:28.39 | Hhhhh | those are the big names now |
| 06:28.47 | flyboy^ | That's what I figured. |
| 06:29.00 | Hhhhh | i'm personally interested in UNC |
| 06:29.04 | flyboy^ | Gotta have someone from one of those to get a good research positiong. |
| 06:29.12 | Hhhhh | yea |
| 06:29.28 | flyboy^ | Berkley scares me. Way too many smart people in too small of a space. |
| 06:29.43 | Hhhhh | MIT is like that too |
| 06:29.53 | Hhhhh | pretty much all of them are |
| 06:30.18 | flyboy^ | One day we are going to blip into non-existance when some kid genius at one of those schools makes a massive blackhole or something. |
| 06:30.26 | Hhhhh | lol, true |
| 06:31.04 | Hhhhh | well, I'm sure the Y campus is going to disappear due to freshmam chemistry |
| 06:31.26 | flyboy^ | hehe |
| 06:31.48 | flyboy^ | Well, I'm going to try and sleep. |
| 06:31.52 | flyboy^ | nice talking to you. |
| 06:31.54 | Hhhhh | k, nice talking to you man |
| 06:31.58 | Hhhhh | g'ight |
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| 15:13.55 | levi | Good morning, #utahns. |
| 15:15.47 | linuxalien | Hi |
| 15:15.49 | linuxalien | good morning |
| 15:18.39 | levi | How's it going? |
| 15:21.31 | linuxalien | Not bad - just reading right now. My online class begins today. |
| 15:24.52 | levi | Where are you taking it from? And what's the subject? |
| 15:25.41 | linuxalien | Weber State and the online class is an intro to anthropology class. My other class is TBE 1700 |
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| 15:28.48 | levi | linuxalien: Ahh, nifty. I'm taking CS classes at UVSC right now. I wish some of them were online, but those are only the incredibly basic beginner ones, as far as I can tell. |
| 15:30.29 | linuxalien | levi, Oh that's too bad. Yeah, they've got a few online classes at Weber but I don't know if they're limited to beginning classes or not. |
| 15:31.10 | levi | I want one of these to drive around the new Miller Motorsports racetrack: http://www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000403046455/ |
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| 15:33.33 | linuxalien | That is a cool looking car. |
| 15:34.01 | levi | I saw the street version driving on I-15 a few days ago. They are sweet cars. |
| 15:34.20 | linuxalien | Oh wow - it would be fun to have one of those. The only thing missing is AWD for winter. hehe |
| 15:35.32 | levi | Well, an AWD car would be cool, but AWD doesn't belong on an Elise... too heavy. |
| 15:37.59 | linuxalien | Yeah - it's for racing not for all terrain....for that I'd get a Subaru WRX |
| 15:38.14 | linuxalien | It seems to fit with those but I don't think they go 0-60 in 4 seconds. |
| 15:42.26 | levi | No, the WRX isn't quite in the same class. Nice car, though. |
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| 15:45.10 | linuxalien | Yeah, I wouldn't mind having one but I'd rather have a Forester. There's more room to take the fam places. |
| 15:55.44 | levi | I wouldn't mind a Forester, especially if it was the turbo version. :) |
| 16:01.27 | linuxalien | Yeah, turbo is nice but costs more in insurance. |
| 16:03.40 | tyce | you must be the 'other' type of driver if you worry that much about insurance.... I'm w/ levi, the XT is where it's at if you want a forester. |
| 16:04.38 | tyce | but then again, if you are going to spend that much money on a subaru, spring for the STi ;) |
| 16:04.59 | linuxalien | Hehehe I just wanna penny pinch. I could use an extra 20-30 bucks a month for other things. |
| 16:05.02 | levi | Actually, I kind of want to scale back my cars. Sell my Solara and my wife's Sunfire and get a 5-door Mazda3. |
| 16:05.19 | linuxalien | What is a Mazda3? Sports car or utility? |
| 16:05.53 | levi | It's a 5-door (hatchback) small car. |
| 16:06.07 | levi | On the sporty side, but not really a sports car. |
| 16:06.26 | levi | I would keep my turbocharged Miata, of course. |
| 16:06.32 | linuxalien | Hey, sounds nice. I've got a Kia Rio - it's a decent car. |
| 16:06.36 | linuxalien | Miatas are nice hehe |
| 16:07.20 | tyce | was it a factory turbo? |
| 16:07.32 | tyce | if did you after-the-fact rubo it? |
| 16:07.47 | levi | Nope, there were no factory turbos until the Mazdaspeed MX-5 came out a year or so ago. |
| 16:07.47 | tyce | *or |
| 16:08.09 | tyce | which turbo kit did you install? |
| 16:08.42 | tyce | I've been toying with the idea of picking up an early 90's miata and turbo'ing it as a project/track car. |
| 16:09.10 | levi | I installed a used Aerodyne turbo, because it's what was available for the price I wanted to spend at the time. |
| 16:09.25 | levi | It's since been upgraded with a Link computer system from Flyin' Miata. |
| 16:09.39 | tyce | dyno'd? |
| 16:10.10 | levi | Nope, haven't bothered with that. It's fast enough to feel like a sports car, though. |
| 16:10.45 | tyce | nice, such a tiny car, any power is going to be directly injected into the 'butt-dyno' |
| 16:10.46 | levi | If I were you, I'd find a clean '94 and put a new Flyin' Miata turbo on it. I think that's the route of least hassle. |
| 16:11.04 | tyce | what did they do in 94 that makes it nice? |
| 16:11.34 | levi | ('94 is the first year with 1.8l engine, but doesn't yet have OBD-II, so you don't get hassled when you replace the computer.) |
| 16:11.47 | tyce | ahh... nice |
| 16:12.07 | tyce | was it a 1.6 before that? |
| 16:14.16 | tyce | you wouldn't happen to have the white one that I see in Provo a lot? |
| 16:14.39 | Jayce^ | http://www.jumbojoke.com/000415.html the C++ replacement |
| 16:18.50 | tapH20guru | Looks like FC4 is out |
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| 16:19.14 | jsmith | tapH20guru: Yup. |
| 16:19.22 | tapH20guru | though I'm not sure if I want to move from my Hoary :) |
| 16:20.06 | tapH20guru | and I ran across the supposed tiger build for x86 |
| 16:21.20 | jsmith | Yeah right... like it'll ever run on a white box. |
| 16:21.55 | tapH20guru | maybe, but you have to admit the geek in you is tempted to try it out |
| 16:22.05 | jsmith | Nope, not one bit. |
| 16:24.07 | jsmith | Naw, I"m not gonna go that far. |
| 16:24.18 | jsmith | Some people really like it -- that's OK with me. |
| 16:24.36 | jsmith | But personally, it's not my thing |
| 16:25.15 | tapH20guru | as for me... I haven't fully used it day to day to make a good judgemant |
| 16:25.59 | linuxalien | When I buy an iBook in the distant future, I'll be tempted to put linux on it. |
| 16:26.19 | linuxalien | But I may try out OS X first for a while. |
| 16:26.20 | jsmith | Me too... but then again, I don't like the iBook keyboard. |
| 16:26.36 | linuxalien | It can't be worse than my gateway pentium 2 laptop |
| 16:28.38 | levi | tyce: My Miata is red, and doesn't end up in Provo very often. |
| 16:29.09 | linuxalien | I'd love a powerbook with a backlit keyboard |
| 16:29.11 | levi | OS X will undoubtedly run on a white box someday, if only through a virtual machine. |
| 16:29.17 | Jayce^ | they are nice |
| 16:29.59 | levi | I imagine Mac on Linux will be ported fairly quickly to x86. |
| 16:31.19 | linuxalien | I'd get a powerbook but it would take me longer to save up for one. |
| 16:31.35 | linuxalien | I can get an iBook for 850 bucks at the wsu bookstore. |
| 16:31.48 | Jayce^ | yeah, was leaning towards that, but then work stepped in :) |
| 16:32.04 | levi | I got the student discount iBook too. I like it. :) |
| 16:33.14 | levi | Needs more RAM than it comes with, though. |
| 16:33.29 | linuxalien | Yeah, 256 is not enough |
| 16:33.31 | levi | Be sure to order at least a 512mb stick. I got a 1gig upgrade. |
| 16:34.16 | linuxalien | I'll have to do that. 1 gig of ram would sure be nice. |
| 16:34.35 | levi | 1.25 gig, since the 246 is on the board. |
| 16:34.39 | levi | Er, 256. |
| 16:34.56 | hatchmt | Anyone here run an older thinkpad (x20-ish) running a dual-boot XP/linux environment? |
| 16:38.06 | linuxalien | I could live with 1.25 gigs for a while. |
| 16:41.40 | levi | Make no mistake; the 12" iBook is not a powerhouse laptop. I find it very comfortable, though. I do almost all my personal stuff on it now. |
| 16:42.56 | linuxalien | I would use it for school to take notes, do homework, access my online classes, email instructors, surf the net, and watch news. I like how they can get pretty good battery life so I won't always have to plugin in class. |
| 16:43.45 | levi | Yup, it should work great for that. |
| 16:44.07 | levi | I love how it instantly sleeps and wakes when you close/open the lid. |
| 16:44.27 | levi | I dunno if modern Windows laptops do that now too, but they didn't last time I got a laptop. |
| 16:44.42 | Jayce^ | not instant, no |
| 16:44.48 | linuxalien | I dunno - I've heard some people say Windows XP is flakey about sleep mode though. |
| 16:45.05 | linuxalien | Even linux is at this point, at least in some cases. |
| 16:46.10 | tensai | my vaio sleeps/wakes just fine as long as I remove my wifi card |
| 16:46.56 | linuxalien | I've never tried sleep with this old p2 laptop. I just use it while it is plugged in anyhow cuz it gets about 20 or 30 min of battery life. |
| 16:47.14 | tensai | I dunno if closing the lid would trigger it since the latch is broken and I hate that behavior anyway |
| 16:47.16 | levi | My old laptop battery is so toasted it doesn't even give 1 second of battery life. |
| 16:47.59 | levi | I think there's some sort of short somewhere that toasts the batteries. It's not even that old. |
| 16:48.38 | linuxalien | I'm glad mine gets at least 20 min then hehe |
| 16:48.51 | linuxalien | I would enjoy the 5+ battery life of an ibook though. |
| 16:48.54 | linuxalien | much more... |
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| 16:50.24 | levi | Yeah, it's nice to not have to worry about the battery dying in class. |
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| 16:52.05 | levi | The iBook is also great for Lisp hacking. Several free Common Lisp compilers are available, plus Emacs has pretty fonts! ;) |
| 16:52.08 | Hhhhh | BAH! I/O errors in Ubuntu installation :( |
| 16:52.28 | levi | Yuck. |
| 16:52.34 | linuxalien | levi, do you have Mac OS X on your ibook or linux or both? |
| 16:53.58 | levi | linuxalien: Just OS X. I feel no need for Linux on it, since I can compile pretty much any free software I want on it. I don't even do that too much, since apache is already there and Emacs and lisp binaries are easy to find. |
| 16:55.57 | Hhhhh | yay! Fedora Core 4 released!!!!! *loud trumpets* |
| 16:55.58 | levi | I use Linux in some places because it's practical, not because I have any particular devotion to it anymore. On my laptop, OS X is more practical for my uses. |
| 16:56.13 | hans | levi: you heard about the upcoming computer music in lisp conf, right? |
| 16:56.55 | linuxalien | levi, sounds sweet. I'll have to see how much I like OS X when I finally get my lappy. Linux is nice for a home system these days. I use it mainly at home as well as winxp. I have Fedora on this beat up old lappy I have. |
| 16:57.33 | levi | hans: Hmm, I'm not sure. I've seen some computer music in lisp software, but since I have no musical training at all, I figured I wouldn't be able to do much with it. :) |
| 16:57.33 | hans | i find myself using it about 50/50 depending on what I'm doing |
| 16:59.18 | levi | I have a minimal Linux install on my old Picturebook laptop, because it's horribly slow and Linux makes it usable. Plus it's got 3 mouse buttons, which is just asking to have Linux/X put on it. |
| 17:01.31 | levi | As cool as the whole code-morphing thing sounded, Transmeta deserved to die. The chips just weren't worth the money. |
| 17:02.01 | linuxalien | Were they slow? |
| 17:02.12 | levi | The one in my Picturebook was. |
| 17:02.46 | levi | It also used the battery at an unimpressive rate, and still got rather warm. |
| 17:03.31 | levi | It was interesting seeing processor-intensive things speed up moments after they started, but the novelty value wore off quickly. |
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| 17:04.33 | Hhhhh | aha! I found the one mirror with the DVD iso for FC4 |
| 17:05.37 | linuxalien | I won't get a transmeta then...sounds like they bite. |
| 17:07.57 | mrpull- | Hhhhh: it looks like xmission's mirror has the dvd |
| 17:08.51 | Hhhhh | i'm getting the x86 |
| 17:08.57 | Hhhhh | i mean, x86_64 one |
| 17:09.09 | mrpull- | i had a hunch you'd say that |
| 17:09.18 | Hhhhh | kernels.org has it, I checked xmission and they don't yet |
| 17:09.42 | hans | levi: ah, it's a workshop at the ilc |
| 17:10.41 | hans | http://ccrma.stanford.edu/lisp-music-workshop/ |
| 17:11.21 | levi | hans: It'd be fun to go to the ILC, but I have neither time nor money for it. Alas! |
| 17:11.59 | levi | linuxalien: I don't think anyone sells machines using their chips anymore. And I think I heard they finally went under. |
| 17:12.00 | Hhhhh | hmm, I was installing Ubuntu, installation failed, FC4 released... |
| 17:12.10 | Hhhhh | the heck with Ubuntu |
| 17:14.03 | vontrapp | hehe, overide operator precedence rules with #pragma dwim (do what i mean) |
| 17:14.14 | linuxalien | levi, Wow. It's too bad their processors sucked. It would be nice to have more alternatives. |
| 17:14.40 | levi | Heh. This is interesting for those who are using C++ for graphics-intensive stuff: http://www.ffconsultancy.com/free/ray_tracer/languages.html |
| 17:15.08 | linuxalien | http://transmeta.com/ |
| 17:15.17 | linuxalien | Looks like they're still alive and claiming their awesome. hehe |
| 17:15.40 | levi | linuxalien: Well, Intel and AMD competing in the x86 camp is enough for me. I'd like to see other instruction sets competing in the desktop world, though. Too bad it's not likely to happen. |
| 17:17.46 | levi | Apparently something bad happened to them, since there's a news article on their page about getting their NASDAQ symbol back. |
| 17:18.00 | linuxalien | I am a fan of AMD and use it at home. The main thing keeping me from buying some of the less expensive AMD notebooks is that their battery life sucks compared to Centrino. |
| 17:18.17 | linuxalien | Even Semprons don't compare in battery life and I thought they were supposed to be battery efficient. |
| 17:19.07 | levi | Yeah, Intel is currently winning the laptop chip war. AMD wins for high performance multiprocessing, though. |
| 17:20.18 | tensai | I think transmeta is just selling technology now, no more processors |
| 17:22.05 | linuxalien | AMD is good for desktops too, especially with the Athlon64. I wonder if it is still true that Intel hasn't realeased a home desktop 64 bit chip yet. |
| 17:30.12 | levi | I need to learn ML one of these days. |
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| 17:39.13 | bucky | I see xmission had a corporate booth at the Pride Parade yesterday |
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| 17:44.28 | fungus | I saw it too, that is really cool. maybe I'll switch. :) |
| 17:44.35 | decriptor | what would a typical reverse dns look like |
| 17:45.08 | decriptor | or what would the syntax look like |
| 17:45.09 | goozbach | 45.11.168.192,in-addr.arpa |
| 17:45.37 | goozbach | bind 9? |
| 17:45.38 | bucky | coma ? |
| 17:45.50 | goozbach | that should be a period |
| 17:45.54 | goozbach | opps |
| 17:45.58 | decriptor | this is what I have 58.76.98.166.in-addr.arpa IN PTR ip58.xyz.com. |
| 17:46.06 | bucky | and another period at the end usually |
| 17:46.10 | goozbach | yes |
| 17:46.10 | decriptor | this is what I have 58.76.98.166.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ip58.xyz.com. |
| 17:46.14 | decriptor | ooops |
| 17:46.29 | decriptor | or is it |
| 17:46.34 | decriptor | this is what I have 58.76.98.166.in-addr.arpa. PTR ip58.xyz.com. |
| 17:46.39 | goozbach | you also have to be authortiative for the 76.98.166.in-addr.arpa. zone |
| 17:47.06 | goozbach | do you own the entire class C network? |
| 17:47.10 | decriptor | I only have a subnet of 8 so then I wouldn't would I |
| 17:47.57 | decriptor | I own from 56 to 63 and that's it it's xmission's do I need to call them and have them do it for me |
| 17:48.00 | levi | fungus: Switch lifestyle/preferences, or ISP? ;) |
| 17:48.13 | goozbach | if not you need to courdante with the person/persons above you to get them to place CNAMES that point to some zone that is under your control |
| 17:48.37 | decriptor | oh ok |
| 17:48.51 | tensai | decriptor: ask hans, he's done that with xmission before |
| 17:48.54 | decriptor | then all I need to do is call xmission and have them change that |
| 17:49.00 | goozbach | yep |
| 17:49.09 | decriptor | they offered when I signed up I just didn't have need then |
| 17:49.17 | tensai | unless you're hell-bent on hosting it yourself, which iirc hans was |
| 17:49.17 | decriptor | so it's fairly easy if I remember |
| 17:49.20 | goozbach | you also need to create a reverse zone under your domain name |
| 17:49.39 | goozbach | I use reverse.friocorte.com |
| 17:49.44 | decriptor | I wish I had a dns book I only understand enough to get it to work |
| 17:50.16 | decriptor | I understand the use of reverse but not how to implement it entirely |
| 17:50.52 | decriptor | is it possible to host your domain and have xmission do the reverse stuff |
| 17:50.53 | decriptor | ? |
| 17:50.59 | goozbach | yup |
| 17:51.06 | decriptor | anyone want to get right of a dns/bind book :) |
| 17:51.19 | goozbach | then each time your ip address change you have to have xmission change it |
| 17:51.45 | decriptor | I don't think that the addresses will change all that much |
| 17:51.47 | goozbach | but if they have given you a static address thats kind of a moot point |
| 17:52.01 | decriptor | I'm going to be switching to utopia soon through xmission |
| 17:52.10 | goozbach | if your address or hostname changes |
| 17:52.20 | decriptor | I doubt that they will |
| 17:52.31 | decriptor | the most that will change is the version of os |
| 17:52.44 | fungus | levi, switch ISPs. |
| 17:53.06 | decriptor | do I have to have a reverse for every domain or just for each ip address |
| 17:53.16 | decriptor | ie if I'm doing virtual hosting |
| 17:53.25 | decriptor | and have multiply domains |
| 17:53.40 | goozbach | each ip address can only resolve to one hostname |
| 17:53.41 | fungus | But I wouldn't because I get it for free where I am at now. |
| 17:53.58 | goozbach | hostnames can point to many ip addresses |
| 17:54.12 | decriptor | I wish I had a book |
| 17:54.15 | goozbach | or multiple hostnames can point to the same ip address |
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| 17:54.22 | decriptor | I just need to get on the internet and buy a book |
| 17:54.39 | goozbach | reverse is limited to one hostname per ip |
| 17:54.40 | decriptor | hey lars |
| 17:54.43 | lars-ut | hey |
| 17:55.00 | Newsome | ~lart rogue dhcp servers |
| 17:55.02 | tensai | each ip address *can* point to multiple hostnames, but I don't recommend it |
| 17:55.03 | decriptor | i'm starting to lose you on the reverse stuff I just don't understand it as well as I would like to |
| 17:55.39 | goozbach | tensai: the software allows it |
| 17:55.47 | goozbach | but usuabliity suffers |
| 17:55.53 | lars-ut | Anyone: I'm having a hard time finding an FC4 torrent that is functional. Which ones are you using to dl right now? |
| 17:55.57 | goozbach | QUITE a lot |
| 17:56.01 | tensai | Newsome: I set one up a Novell once (on accident, of course). IT wasn't impressed. |
| 17:56.09 | decriptor | I'd just buy more ips since they are so cheap from xmission |
| 17:56.16 | tensai | goozbach: agreed |
| 17:56.21 | decriptor | $2.50 more and I go from 8 to 16 |
| 17:56.26 | goozbach | lars-ut: We're using the rsync trick to turn RC3 to final |
| 17:56.49 | decriptor | who wants FC4 :) |
| 17:56.53 | goozbach | http://blogs.gurulabs.com/dax/archives/2005/05/fedora_core_v4.html |
| 17:56.57 | lars-ut | me |
| 17:57.28 | decriptor | I've almost never looked back since after redhat 9 and the beginning of FC1 |
| 17:57.36 | goozbach | the downside is that you have to have the isos for RC3 |
| 17:58.01 | tensai | decriptor: reverse dns is essentially just like forward dns. the "names" just happen to be numbers with "in-addr.arpa" at the end. |
| 17:58.02 | decriptor | I bought a lot of redhat releases |
| 17:58.18 | decriptor | oh ok |
| 17:58.19 | lars-ut | I'm curious about FC4 |
| 17:59.09 | Hhhhh | ack, i'm dl the DVD ISOs right now |
| 17:59.16 | Hhhhh | i386 and x86_64 |
| 17:59.30 | decriptor | so my entries would be ie 58.98.76.166.in-addr.arpa. (IN?) PTR ip58.dashaws.com or what |
| 17:59.32 | decriptor | ever |
| 17:59.48 | lars-ut | Hhhhh: I was trying CDs - I'll try the DVD torrents |
| 18:00.02 | decriptor | dvd is the only way to go now |
| 18:00.06 | decriptor | I hate cd installs |
| 18:00.13 | Hhhhh | dl from kernels.org, they have the DVD ISOs |
| 18:00.15 | decriptor | I'd rather buy a dvd drive and install |
| 18:00.19 | decriptor | or nfs install |
| 18:00.26 | lars-ut | One distro doesn't fill _every_ need, but Debian comes close... I still like to see what choices are available. |
| 18:00.27 | Hhhhh | I tried several mirrors and nobody had x86_64 DVD iso |
| 18:00.55 | Hhhhh | the only thing is that I'll want to install gcc 3.3, I don't want 4.0 :( |
| 18:00.56 | tensai | net installs. I don't use but a small fraction of packages anyway, why should I download them? |
| 18:01.00 | decriptor | I love the try and keep as opposed to try and buy :) |
| 18:01.18 | decriptor | install servers are great |
| 18:01.25 | Hhhhh | try and keep is awesome |
| 18:01.35 | decriptor | I do that a lot at work |
| 18:02.08 | tensai | decriptor: 1.0.0.10.in-addr.arpa IN PTR foo.example.com. |
| 18:02.40 | tensai | $ORIGIN 0.0.10.in-addr.arpa. |
| 18:02.48 | tensai | 1 IN PTR foo.example.com. |
| 18:03.13 | decriptor | so I don't need a . after .arpa |
| 18:03.49 | decriptor | I think I get it a little better |
| 18:04.00 | tensai | I use the second syntax, so I'm not 100% sure |
| 18:04.41 | decriptor | I hate online howtos they are all different :) |
| 18:04.48 | decriptor | anyone I have to run |
| 18:04.53 | decriptor | thanks for all the help |
| 18:05.04 | decriptor | I understand a little better how this works |
| 18:05.13 | lars-ut | I've tried to dl FC4 from different torrents for about 15min, it's enough to make me want to use http or ftp |
| 18:05.39 | hans | bittorrent is great in controlled environments, ironically |
| 18:05.40 | Hhhhh | lars-ut: try kernels.org |
| 18:05.45 | hans | but in the real world it mostly sucks |
| 18:05.54 | Hhhhh | it'll be about 3 or 4 hrs for a DVD download |
| 18:06.06 | Hhhhh | and i'm doing 2 right now at teh same time |
| 18:08.40 | lars-ut | Hhhhh: you meant kernel.org, right? |
| 18:08.42 | Hhhhh | ok, question: I have a double boot Windows XP / Fedora Core 3, and I want to install FC4 on top of FC3. In the installation, when it installs grub, will it still let me boot windows from there? will it autodetect it or something? |
| 18:08.45 | Hhhhh | yea, kernel.org |
| 18:08.59 | Hhhhh | never played with boot loaders that much |
| 18:09.56 | goozbach | Hhhhh: yes |
| 18:10.17 | goozbach | the installer doing an upgrade will handle everything just fine |
| 18:10.20 | Hhhhh | thanks goozbach |
| 18:10.20 | Newsome | if BYU wasn't pretty much completely blocking BT, I'd join the torrent :( |
| 18:10.30 | Hhhhh | heh |
| 18:11.06 | Hhhhh | Newsome: I'm sorry man, but everytime I see you, I can't help but to think of "Totally Newsome Computers" |
| 18:11.13 | goozbach | I wonder if my non-stock FC3 system will cleanly upgrade |
| 18:11.33 | Hhhhh | sorry, just some dumb twist of my mind |
| 18:11.44 | Newsome | :( |
| 18:15.08 | hans | what is newsome meaning, anywho? |
| 18:16.48 | Hhhhh | yea |
| 18:16.53 | Newsome | hans: I had a roommate whose brother had an imaginary friend named Timmy Newsome |
| 18:17.06 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 18:17.08 | Hhhhh | cool |
| 18:17.20 | Hhhhh | so you're his imaginary friend then |
| 18:17.48 | Newsome | sure :) |
| 18:18.03 | Hhhhh | I was so lonely when growing up that I made up two imaginary friends to play with me, but they would always end up playing among themselves and they would ignore me |
| 18:18.25 | Newsome | that's depressing :/ |
| 18:19.36 | Newsome | okay, anyone on campus can grab FC4 isos (i386) from ftp://ftp.cs.byu.edu/pub/iso/FedoraCore4/ |
| 18:20.07 | scott | Hhhhh: that's a good one to send in to postsecret.blogspot.com |
| 18:20.59 | hans | lars-ut: pick up your laptop and head to BYU |
| 18:21.10 | lars-ut | no kidding |
| 18:21.24 | Hhhhh | yey! |
| 18:21.36 | Hhhhh | Newsome: you're a sys admin? |
| 18:21.44 | Newsome | wish I had enough disk space on my server to host the whole set of isos :( |
| 18:21.56 | Newsome | Hhhhh: I guess you could call me that |
| 18:22.03 | Hhhhh | and scott is as well, right? |
| 18:22.24 | Newsome | spr? Yeah, he sorta works for me. |
| 18:22.28 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 18:22.32 | spr | alas tis true |
| 18:22.45 | Hhhhh | scott: I'm the dude that called asking about distros |
| 18:22.53 | lars-ut | hans: It's weird - the connection I use for legitimate torrents usually gives me ~1.5-~2mbit download AND upload speeds. |
| 18:22.54 | spr | ah, I see |
| 18:22.54 | Hhhhh | spr I mean |
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| 18:23.06 | lars-ut | I wonder if the trackers are swamped |
| 18:23.31 | Hhhhh | so, how likely is the switch to FC4 in the CS machines? |
| 18:23.45 | spr | not so much how likely, more like when. |
| 18:23.54 | Hhhhh | oh cool |
| 18:24.14 | Newsome | I'll probably start fiddling with FC4 in a week or so (let the suckers find all the initial bugs) |
| 18:24.27 | Hhhhh | do you see it happening before the fall (provided that approvals are in place, etc) |
| 18:24.36 | Hhhhh | cool |
| 18:24.55 | Newsome | hopefully. we're currently on FC2 |
| 18:27.30 | Newsome | hrm. doesn't look like there's any way I'll be able to free up 2.7 GB on my linode :( |
| 18:27.46 | Hhhhh | :( |
| 18:42.08 | Newsome | ooh, wait...got an idea... |
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| 18:59.14 | tapH20guru | linode advice: i have 64 MB ram.. need to upgrade (io tokens killing me) will 16 MB more be enough? |
| 19:00.34 | tapH20guru | my linode is a web and mail server |
| 19:00.49 | tapH20guru | lightweight one at that |
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| 19:16.29 | levi | Ack. Someone gave me a URL to a video clip of Jessica Simpson's cover of "These Boots are Made for Walkin'". It features the General Lee from the upcoming Dukes of Hazzard movie. Except... the doors freakin' open. That's so wrong. |
| 19:16.49 | tapH20guru | that's sacrelidge |
| 19:17.05 | Newsome | the doors open? That's lame. |
| 19:17.12 | Jayce^ | hrm, the previews I've seen didn't have the doors open.. |
| 19:17.17 | dataw0lf|w | doors? what do they need those for? |
| 19:17.24 | tapH20guru | though if Jessica was opening the door for me... I'm not sure I'd complain :) |
| 19:17.43 | dataw0lf|w | probably just a music video thing. |
| 19:18.11 | levi | I guess. Looks just like the one on the movie poster, though. |
| 19:18.49 | levi | I shut the video off after she got out of the car. She doesn't do anything for me. |
| 19:18.53 | dataw0lf|w | I'm sure that's what the point is, but music videos like to distort stuff from the movie. |
| 19:19.36 | dataw0lf|w | did it have the same license plate? |
| 19:19.44 | dataw0lf|w | CNH320 |
| 19:19.57 | dataw0lf|w | <-- Dukes of Hazzard fanatic |
| 19:20.55 | tapH20guru | dataw0lf: dont' pull a Bill on us :) http://www.thewb.com/Shows/WithFormat/0,7930,232478||,00.html |
| 19:21.04 | tensai | so let's see, Han shot first, Frodo never went to Osgiliath and the General Lee's doors don't open. anything else? |
| 19:21.15 | levi | I dunno, I don't think it had a front license plate at all, and there was no shot of the rear. |
| 19:21.42 | dataw0lf|w | tapH20guru: hehe. |
| 19:22.41 | bucky | Nancy Sinatra butchered that song and now Jessica insults Nancy's version |
| 19:23.08 | dataw0lf|w | Greedo shooting first is 400 million times worse than the General Lee's doors opening, however. |
| 19:23.23 | levi | The Nancy Sinatra version is the only one I heard. I had the sound off for the video. |
| 19:23.31 | goozbach | dataw0lf|w: amen |
| 19:23.49 | Hhhhh | heh |
| 19:24.05 | levi | dataw0lf: Well, Greedo doesn't shoot first anymore. Now they shoot at the same time! |
| 19:24.08 | Hhhhh | General Lee's doors don't open. End of discussions |
| 19:24.13 | Hhhhh | no, not even for Jessica |
| 19:24.28 | goozbach | lol |
| 19:24.53 | bucky | what did they do.. find a stash of '69 dodge chargers in some redneck's back yard so they could start the show up again? |
| 19:25.19 | goozbach | I was |<this>| close to not watching that movie... I think that peice of info put me over the edge |
| 19:25.20 | bucky | i thought bo and luke wrecked all known survivors |
| 19:25.27 | hans | levi: not quite the same time, but closer |
| 19:25.36 | tensai | Jessica Simpson tries to get in my car, I'd slam her fingers in the door |
| 19:25.47 | bucky | Jessica has a big square butt |
| 19:25.54 | bucky | and plastic boobies |
| 19:25.55 | hans | levi: the biggest problem I have with the revised trilogy though, is the blasted LAME music at the end of rotj, that replaced the cool and triumphant music that was there |
| 19:25.56 | goozbach | I'd slam her head int the door |
| 19:26.12 | Hhhhh | lol @ goozbach, not much of a loss |
| 19:26.13 | bucky | her face is the only good thing about her |
| 19:26.27 | levi | hans: Yeah... rotj had some parts that really annoyed me, and left me wishing for the unadulterated movies. |
| 19:26.39 | goozbach | bucky: not even that face can salvage a ho-bag |
| 19:26.41 | levi | hans: Most of the other DVDs I wasn't terribly bothered. |
| 19:26.47 | Hhhhh | totally true |
| 19:26.55 | bucky | they should've cast Paris Hilton in that role |
| 19:26.56 | Hhhhh | i love the ewok music |
| 19:27.02 | levi | hans: The new singing creatures in Jabba's Palace really irked me, too. |
| 19:27.09 | Hhhhh | ugh, I even prefer jessica to paris |
| 19:27.15 | hans | levi: the new song in jabba's palace with the out-of-place digital creatures was bad too |
| 19:27.20 | Hhhhh | lesser of two evils |
| 19:27.20 | levi | hans: I preferred the alien chick that fell out of her dress. |
| 19:27.31 | hans | but I don't even remember the original, so it couldn't have been that memorable |
| 19:27.53 | bucky | let's get the Marriot sisters out there |
| 19:27.55 | hans | but the ewok music _was_. And the themes are hinted at in the score throughout the movie |
| 19:27.57 | levi | It wasn't that memorable, but it wasn't overtly annoying like the current one. |
| 19:28.03 | Hhhhh | lol @ bucky, haha |
| 19:28.15 | dataw0lf|w | I haven't even seen the revamped SWs yet. |
| 19:28.19 | dataw0lf|w | Apparently I shouldn't. |
| 19:28.26 | bucky | smear their bodies with glorified jello |
| 19:28.33 | dataw0lf|w | the ewoks? |
| 19:28.38 | Hhhhh | rofl |
| 19:28.39 | Hhhhh | haha |
| 19:28.46 | hans | i found it interesting that they stuck the ep3 anakin in at the end (glowing guy) on the rotj DVD |
| 19:28.46 | Hhhhh | bucky has a fetish for ewoks, yea |
| 19:29.00 | bucky | are the Marriot girls ewoks? |
| 19:29.01 | Hhhhh | hahahaha |
| 19:29.09 | bucky | maybe they are... hmmm... |
| 19:29.33 | levi | hans: That was mildly annoying, but nothing compared to the new music and the cutscenes to all the different worlds. |
| 19:29.54 | hans | well I thought that bit was cool |
| 19:30.10 | bucky | Larry Miller is coming out with his own version of Dukes of Hazzard to promote his new race track |
| 19:30.46 | levi | Mmmm, new race track. |
| 19:31.12 | levi | Time for a meeting. |
| 19:31.20 | dataw0lf|w | never been to a race track. |
| 19:31.51 | dataw0lf|w | and I refuse to on the grounds that I may be infected with the rampant bad genes inherent in such an activity. |
| 19:31.55 | bucky | no wonder you don't like dukes of hazzard |
| 19:32.09 | dataw0lf|w | I love Dukes of Hazzard. |
| 19:32.13 | dataw0lf|w | just not race tracks. |
| 19:32.14 | bucky | dataw0lf, you might get laid? |
| 19:32.26 | dataw0lf|w | Dukes of Hazzard is viewing hicks from a safe distance. |
| 19:32.32 | dataw0lf|w | bucky: I got no problems there. |
| 19:32.42 | dataw0lf|w | bucky: stupidity, however, is contagious. |
| 19:32.56 | bucky | you might get infected with the rampant bad genes |
| 19:33.12 | dataw0lf|w | it was a joke. |
| 19:33.33 | dataw0lf|w | if I was talking about getting laid, I would've said I might end up living in a trailer taking care of my trailer trash wife and my ten kids. |
| 19:34.19 | dataw0lf|w | tell me how that's working for you, btw. |
| 19:34.24 | bucky | dataw0lf, were you in Xmission's corporate booth at the parade yesterday? |
| 19:35.00 | dataw0lf|w | bucky: Nope. |
| 19:36.16 | dataw0lf|w | bucky: were you? |
| 19:36.43 | bucky | dataw0lf, i never leave town |
| 19:37.28 | dataw0lf|w | I'm confused to why I might care. |
| 19:37.39 | bucky | dataw0lf, you asked |
| 19:38.03 | dataw0lf|w | I didn't need to know that you never left 'town', a simple yes or no would've sufficed. |
| 19:38.09 | Hhhhh | bucky: you're saying that Xmissions had a booth at the Utah pride parade? |
| 19:38.27 | bucky | Hhhhh, that's what the trib on line said today |
| 19:38.33 | Hhhhh | k |
| 19:40.49 | bucky | dataw0lf, i don't have ten kids or a trailer trash wife let alone a trailer |
| 19:41.51 | dataw0lf|w | Ah! It was a gay pride parade, I get the quip now. |
| 19:41.57 | bucky | dataw0lf, where's you're mom and dad... off on a mission |
| 19:42.18 | dataw0lf|w | is that supposed to be an insult or something? |
| 19:42.52 | bigdog_ut | no but hella funny |
| 19:42.55 | dataw0lf|w | My Mother is an anesthologist at the U of U's hospital, my father just finished up his Ph.D in Anthropology. They're both in SLC, for another month, before they move to Reno. |
| 19:43.04 | bucky | dataw0lf, you don't respond to people being nice to you... so take it any way you want |
| 19:43.10 | fungus | I was pleasantly surprised when I saw the Xmission booth. |
| 19:43.30 | dataw0lf|w | bucky: actually, I do respond to people being nice to me. but since I'm never nice, I don't expect it. |
| 19:44.40 | dataw0lf|w | I'm usually diplomatic about sensitive subjects, especially in here (e.g. religion, politics). You, on the other hand.. |
| 19:45.01 | bucky | dataw0lf, do you practice any anesthology on youself? |
| 19:45.21 | dataw0lf|w | self medication? |
| 19:45.27 | dataw0lf|w | that'd be illegal, sir. |
| 19:45.48 | bucky | i bet your mom has all the good drugs |
| 19:45.57 | dataw0lf|w | She probably does, I wouldn't know. |
| 19:46.40 | bucky | dataw0lf, so is your dad going to prove all these indians came from Israel ? |
| 19:46.45 | Hhhhh | hey |
| 19:47.02 | dataw0lf|w | bucky: Are you trying to troll everyone else into the conversation? Rather transparent. |
| 19:47.04 | Hhhhh | bucky, you find some sheer pleasure attacking someone else's ideas? |
| 19:47.25 | Hhhhh | funny, I thought most non-LDS people living in Utah actually hated that |
| 19:47.26 | dataw0lf|w | bucky: when you're finished being ineffectual at insults and retorts, let me know. |
| 19:47.40 | dataw0lf|w | Hhhhh: hated what? |
| 19:47.42 | bucky | i've got nothing better to do since i live in an equal opprotunity state [/sarcasm] |
| 19:47.55 | dataw0lf|w | looks like you're going into bot mode. Weak defense. |
| 19:48.10 | dataw0lf|w | I might be a troll, but at least I'm creative. |
| 19:48.17 | bucky | i've got nothing to do and all day to do it in |
| 19:48.34 | dataw0lf|w | I can tell. |
| 19:48.55 | dataw0lf|w | This is why religious people get so defensive and closed in rational arguments, bucky. |
| 19:48.55 | bucky | dataw0lf, so what are you going to do in Reno... go to Granny's Casino ? |
| 19:49.03 | dataw0lf|w | I'm not moving to Reno. |
| 19:49.06 | dataw0lf|w | My parents are. |
| 19:49.24 | bucky | are they moving at night and not telling you? |
| 19:49.28 | Hhhhh | dataw0lf|w: most non-LDS Utahns hate being attacked on their beliefs, but it's funny to see some of them doing exactly that |
| 19:49.50 | dataw0lf|w | Hhhhh: actually, anyone hates being attacked on their beliefs. Especially Mormons. |
| 19:49.55 | dataw0lf|w | cept me. |
| 19:49.59 | dataw0lf|w | you can attack my beliefs, I care not. |
| 19:50.20 | bucky | I don't care... the gays are taking over utah... and it will be better for the change |
| 19:50.26 | dataw0lf|w | heh. |
| 19:50.31 | dataw0lf|w | I doubt if the 'gays' are taking over Utah. |
| 19:50.35 | Hhhhh | heh |
| 19:50.37 | Hhhhh | haha |
| 19:50.38 | dataw0lf|w | Perhaps you didn't see Amendment 3. |
| 19:51.04 | bucky | there are more gay people here per capita than in san fransisco |
| 19:51.07 | Hhhhh | datawolf, don't you see that bucky would feel more at home if the "gays" take over Utah? |
| 19:51.16 | dataw0lf|w | Hhhhh: Why is that? |
| 19:51.29 | bucky | at least they wouldn't be Nazi's for Jesus |
| 19:51.42 | dataw0lf|w | Hhhhh: he'd just switch focus from irrationally attacking LDS to irrationally attacking homosexuals. |
| 19:51.42 | Hhhhh | yea, we Mormons love being Nazis for Jesus |
| 19:51.51 | *** part/#utah spr (~spr@ramona.cs.byu.edu) |
| 19:51.54 | Hhhhh | dataw0lf|W: true |
| 19:51.57 | bucky | how do you take a jewish jesus and turn him into a nazi? |
| 19:52.30 | Hhhhh | i don't know, go ask the feminist movement |
| 19:52.34 | dataw0lf|w | s/sigh/sighs |
| 19:52.36 | bucky | Hhhhh, what color is your aryan, blue eyed, blonde, jesus? |
| 19:52.37 | Hhhhh | they make perfect nazis |
| 19:52.50 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 19:52.50 | dataw0lf|w | bucky: Why don't you just give it a rest? |
| 19:52.58 | bucky | ok |
| 19:53.01 | *** part/#utah bucky (~bucky@bucky.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 19:53.07 | Hhhhh | haha, what a punk |
| 19:53.10 | xilch|w | [13:49] dataw0lf|w you can attack my beliefs, I care not. <--- perl roxxors teh python |
| 19:53.21 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 19:53.21 | xilch|w | hehe |
| 19:53.26 | dataw0lf|w | xilch|w: that's a religious belief, sir. |
| 19:53.29 | dataw0lf|w | ;) |
| 19:55.14 | dataw0lf|w | xilch|w: you hear where I'm going for free cause I'm staff now? |
| 19:55.29 | xilch|w | dataw0lf|w: nope - do tell |
| 19:55.36 | dataw0lf|w | well, rather, Grifter's personal posse. |
| 19:55.36 | xilch|w | to hell? |
| 19:55.43 | dataw0lf|w | you already knew that. |
| 19:55.46 | xilch|w | oh, yep - to hell |
| 19:55.48 | dataw0lf|w | Black Hat. |
| 19:56.15 | xilch|w | I was thinking about being a dc goon so's I could hit black hat |
| 19:56.18 | xilch|w | I still might |
| 19:56.24 | xilch|w | ok, not goon |
| 19:56.28 | xilch|w | that was a misnomer |
| 19:56.37 | xilch|w | a minion, hawking merch. |
| 19:57.15 | xilch|w | dataw0lf|w: so what part of teh posse are you? |
| 19:58.02 | dataw0lf|w | xilch|w: I dunno, Grifter just said that if I could get off work I was going, so I got a week off. |
| 19:58.12 | xilch|w | oh, dope |
| 19:58.18 | dataw0lf|w | all expenses paid. |
| 19:58.31 | xilch|w | giving some security cred to the crew |
| 19:58.35 | dataw0lf|w | I assume Def Con will be free as well since it's the script kiddie after party to Black Hat. |
| 19:58.56 | dataw0lf|w | Grifter has cred. To people who don't know him anyway. |
| 20:00.49 | xilch|w | yeah, even I had heard of hin, even before going to the meetings |
| 20:01.03 | xilch|w | *him |
| 20:01.33 | xilch|w | and I'm definitely not the most plugged in l337 d00d |
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| 20:02.47 | xilch|w | dataw0lf|w: I figured it out - you will be a bouncer, as your brawling antics against dren have become legendary |
| 20:03.02 | dataw0lf|w | xilch|w: that could be true. |
| 20:03.15 | dataw0lf|w | but anyone who knows d-ren knows that doesn't speak much for my fighting abilities. |
| 20:03.45 | xilch|w | we should start a new dc contest: ultimate geek fighting championship |
| 20:03.52 | dataw0lf|w | I'd totally win. |
| 20:04.02 | xilch|w | I vote that I don't go up against kryptik |
| 20:04.15 | dataw0lf|w | pfft, kryp71k is a big teddy bear. |
| 20:04.21 | xilch|w | big is right |
| 20:04.22 | dataw0lf|w | besides, I know his weakness: he has a bum left knee. |
| 20:04.27 | xilch|w | aha |
| 20:05.10 | dataw0lf|w | that didn't stop him from picking me up over his head last weekend, however. |
| 20:05.24 | xilch|w | I can't think of anyone else I know of the regulars I would be worried about |
| 20:06.01 | dataw0lf|w | hey, I bet cyclone could throw up a fair fight. |
| 20:06.05 | dataw0lf|w | kampf is just a fattie. |
| 20:06.24 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, I'm pretty sure I'd at least get the silver in said competition. |
| 20:06.31 | dataw0lf|w | as long as I had tequila on hand. |
| 20:06.37 | dataw0lf|w | and the bottle to go with it. |
| 20:19.35 | goozbach | bucky left... :( |
| 20:19.43 | goozbach | I wanted a source on his 'facts' |
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| 20:53.54 | dataw0lf|w | goozbach: what facts are those? |
| 20:56.19 | goozbach | the percentage of homosexuals per capita in SLC vs San Fran. |
| 20:57.35 | dataw0lf|w | Yeah. I've been to both, and I must say, if there's less homosexuals in San Francisco, then they make up for it in complete and utter unabashedness. |
| 20:57.47 | goozbach | heh |
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| 20:59.48 | hagna2 | hey when screen gets frozen by accidently pressing ctrl + s how do you resume normal operations? |
| 20:59.55 | hans | ctrl-q |
| 21:00.04 | hagna2 | ahhhhh thanks |
| 21:00.41 | Bradipo | That applies to more than just screen. |
| 21:00.49 | Bradipo | That is scroll lock on any terminal window. |
| 21:04.35 | lars-ut | I just completed my first order w/ overstock.com & I entered in my street address incorrectly. Here's a chat transcript of me trying to correct the error... |
| 21:04.36 | lars-ut | Please wait while we find a representative to assist you... |
| 21:04.36 | lars-ut | You have been connected to Denise L.. |
| 21:04.36 | lars-ut | Denise L.: Welcome to Overstock.com, Lars! How may I help you today? |
| 21:04.36 | lars-ut | Lars: My order number is ######. I input the wrong street addr on my order - it should read ### ### ### |
| 21:04.36 | lars-ut | Lars: The billing module caught the error but not the shipping. |
| 21:04.39 | lars-ut | Denise L.: Our focus on shipping orders quickly did not allow us to stop the order from going to the incorrect address. |
| 21:04.42 | lars-ut | The item needs to be located before we can be of further assistance. If the shipment is going to an invalid address, it will be returned to us as "unable to deliver" by the carrier. Once it is received back in our warehouse, we can email you notifying that we will credit your account. |
| 21:04.46 | lars-ut | Lars: so the label has already been printed? |
| 21:04.48 | lars-ut | Lars: or you don't know? |
| 21:06.11 | xilch|w | dataw0lf|w: I forgot about cyclone - he knows the asian arts, and sparred quite a bit in a previous life, so he would be formiddable |
| 21:06.13 | hans | heh, what if it's a valid address? |
| 21:06.24 | lars-ut | then I'm screwed |
| 21:06.31 | tensai | I hate those live chats. I feel like I'm talking to a bot. |
| 21:06.44 | lars-ut | I tried to catch it within 2 min of ordering. |
| 21:06.55 | dataw0lf|w | tensai: a bot might be easier to get an answer from. |
| 21:06.56 | hans | lars-ut: time to camp out at that address |
| 21:07.08 | lars-ut | I kinda doubt their fulfillment is _that_ fast. |
| 21:07.10 | tensai | ~google lars-ut's package |
| 21:07.17 | lars-ut | lol |
| 21:07.31 | dataw0lf|w | ohp, verdict being read. |
| 21:07.36 | tensai | ~where is lars-ut's package? |
| 21:07.38 | ibot | tensai: what are you talking about? |
| 21:08.00 | lars-ut | Lars: ... |
| 21:08.00 | lars-ut | Denise L.: Thank you for waiting. I apologize for the delay. I am still researching your issue, and will return to you shortly. |
| 21:08.00 | lars-ut | Lars: k |
| 21:08.14 | Hhhhh | my gosh! MJ just had a heart attack! |
| 21:08.23 | hans | she's just waiting for the label to print, so she can say "yes" |
| 21:08.29 | lars-ut | lol |
| 21:08.39 | Hhhhh | made ya look, hahaha |
| 21:08.48 | dataw0lf|w | Hhhhh: that was just a new dance move. |
| 21:08.59 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 21:09.03 | vontrapp | it's funny they use the fast shipping policy as an excuse to not fix a shipping error |
| 21:09.27 | dataw0lf|w | vontrapp: I can guarantee that was the proper response in their book of answers. |
| 21:09.42 | vontrapp | "we can't fix your problem because we're trying to serve you better, hah! :p" |
| 21:09.56 | dataw0lf|w | "it's not a bug, it's a feature" |
| 21:10.07 | vontrapp | exactly |
| 21:11.06 | lars-ut | here's the rest: |
| 21:11.10 | lars-ut | Denise L.: The item is being processed and there is no way to stop the processing to change the address you will need to contact us when the item so we can send you a lable to send it back. |
| 21:11.10 | lars-ut | Lars: This is my first time ordering, so maybe my expectations of being able to correct an order within 2 minutes of placing it were too high. Please send along my feedback that the "focus on shipping orders quickly" is a weak excuse for prompt & effective customer service. |
| 21:11.52 | lars-ut | still waiting for poor Denise's reply. |
| 21:11.55 | hans | so you have to wait until you get the item, to send it back with a new label? |
| 21:12.02 | Bradipo | lars-ut: Cancel the charges on your credit card. |
| 21:12.05 | lars-ut | oh no, it's worse. |
| 21:12.06 | hans | so they can send it to the right address? |
| 21:12.18 | hans | seriously, cancel the charges |
| 21:12.21 | Bradipo | Call your CC company and tell them what has happend. |
| 21:12.23 | hans | let them deal with it then. |
| 21:12.23 | lars-ut | THey have to send it back to the warehouse before I get a credit. |
| 21:12.29 | Bradipo | They will likely ask you to write a written explanation. |
| 21:12.36 | lars-ut | Can I do that on a debit card? |
| 21:12.42 | vontrapp | lars-ut: sure |
| 21:12.43 | Bradipo | Sure. |
| 21:12.48 | Bradipo | You didn't use it as a debit card did you? |
| 21:12.51 | lars-ut | yes |
| 21:12.52 | vontrapp | i did it when my phone shipped to the wrong address |
| 21:12.56 | Bradipo | I mean, you didn't give Debbie your PIN number right? |
| 21:12.57 | lars-ut | it was a cheap order |
| 21:13.04 | vontrapp | it was returned to the warehouse, but the "couldn't reship it" |
| 21:13.18 | lars-ut | it's a debit card w/ a credit card attached |
| 21:13.23 | vontrapp | i worked with them for weeks trying to either a) get my money back or b) get the product |
| 21:13.25 | hans | lars-ut: right, and you used it as a VISA |
| 21:13.28 | vontrapp | neither would happen |
| 21:13.29 | hans | or mastercard or whatever. |
| 21:13.32 | vontrapp | so i went to my bank |
| 21:13.37 | lars-ut | hans: yes |
| 21:13.39 | vontrapp | it worked out wonderfully |
| 21:13.43 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 21:13.56 | Bradipo | vontrapp: I had something like that happen as well. Went to the bank and they took care of it. |
| 21:13.59 | hans | lars-ut: then the credit card protection is fully applicable |
| 21:14.19 | lars-ut | time to call the # on the back of the card then. |
| 21:14.23 | hans | give debbie a chance - tell her that's what you're going to do |
| 21:14.29 | lars-ut | will do |
| 21:14.30 | hans | maybe she can work magic with that threat. |
| 21:14.37 | lars-ut | Denise, actually |
| 21:14.55 | Bradipo | Oh, Denise. :-) My bad. |
| 21:15.09 | vontrapp | debbie has better hair |
| 21:15.39 | lars-ut | :) |
| 21:15.51 | dataw0lf|w | your binoculars are just dirty, I assure you, Denise has better hair. |
| 21:16.35 | hans | what did you order? a lightsaber? |
| 21:17.01 | dataw0lf|w | not guilt. |
| 21:17.03 | dataw0lf|w | +y |
| 21:17.18 | dataw0lf|w | how. did. that. happen. |
| 21:17.22 | dataw0lf|w | I guess it's called money. |
| 21:17.28 | Bradipo | dataw0lf: Doesn't matter, he had a heart attack and died. |
| 21:17.34 | Jayce^ | all you have to do is create *any* doubt |
| 21:17.44 | vontrapp | he died? |
| 21:17.55 | Bradipo | At least according to Hhhhh... |
| 21:18.03 | tensai | wako jacko not guilty |
| 21:18.04 | dataw0lf|w | Jayce^: you're telling me that if some podunk black guy caught charged with that, he'd be found not guilty? |
| 21:18.12 | vontrapp | i saw the heart attack comment, didn't remember anything about death |
| 21:18.41 | Bradipo | See how easily the truth gets twisted. :-) |
| 21:18.44 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf|w, no, I'm just saying that the money (like you stated) makes it easy to point out the tiniest things which break it.. |
| 21:18.56 | Hhhhh | MICHAEL JACKSON NOT GUILTY OF ANY COUNTS |
| 21:19.32 | dataw0lf|w | this is ridiculous. |
| 21:19.38 | Hhhhh | he's clean |
| 21:19.54 | Jayce^ | clean as a fresh layer of plastic on that face :) |
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| 21:20.00 | Hhhhh | lolQ |
| 21:20.02 | vontrapp | clean and dead or clean and going through tripple bypass? |
| 21:20.04 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 21:20.13 | lars-ut | my bacnk just said to wait until the charge goes through & then dispute it. |
| 21:20.31 | Bradipo | lars-ut: If the charge hasn't gone through yet, cancel your card. :-) |
| 21:20.48 | lars-ut | hmmm.... |
| 21:21.10 | Bradipo | I would just wait. |
| 21:21.22 | Bradipo | How far off did you make the address? |
| 21:21.34 | hans | and make a lot of noise with overstock in the maeantime |
| 21:21.39 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 21:21.43 | lars-ut | 1 digit - it _could_ still make it to me |
| 21:22.03 | Bradipo | Very possible, if the postal workers are worth their weight in FDN. |
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| 21:22.17 | Bradipo | Er, FRN. |
| 21:22.18 | hans | where do you live? |
| 21:22.56 | hans | (general area) |
| 21:24.44 | lars-ut | Springville |
| 21:25.03 | Hhhhh | I guess ACLU defended Michael Jackson's right to molest children |
| 21:25.23 | lars-ut | hans: I live on a short street, so I may be ok |
| 21:25.25 | Bradipo | Looks like he's concealing a weapon here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/jackson/story/0,15819,1505806,00.html |
| 21:25.58 | lars-ut | Hhhhh: You mean NAMBLA didn't jump in on this as well? |
| 21:26.35 | Jayce^ | <voice type="jackson">I'm gunna cap your @#$ </voice> |
| 21:26.36 | Jayce^ | :) |
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| 21:27.25 | lars-ut | Hhhhh: I'm sure if he moves to a European country he'll be fine. |
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| 21:27.55 | lars-ut | no need to trifle with this troublesome US legal system there |
| 21:29.27 | lars-ut | Denise L.: I do understand and I do apologize for this. |
| 21:29.28 | lars-ut | Lars: I'm canceling these charges w/my bank. |
| 21:29.28 | lars-ut | Denise L.: Ok Sir and I do apologize again |
| 21:29.38 | lars-ut | Poor Denise |
| 21:30.13 | decriptor | all she probably is is a college student trying to make ends meet :( |
| 21:30.21 | lars-ut | I'm gonna wait & see if I get lucky on the shipment. |
| 21:31.12 | lars-ut | If she's in college she should get smart enough to not hide behind policy. I'd prefer a direct answer. |
| 21:31.48 | decriptor | I was on the board of making fun of the situation |
| 21:31.49 | decriptor | :) |
| 21:32.04 | decriptor | I think it sucks |
| 21:32.59 | tapH20guru | VPN question: which linux VPN client would you recomend to connect to a Cisco VPN server |
| 21:33.17 | bigdog_ut | cisco one for linux |
| 21:33.31 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 21:33.40 | jsmith | Have you tried vpnc? |
| 21:33.48 | bigdog_ut | it sucks |
| 21:33.54 | lars-ut | decriptor: It seems like a bandwagon, too. I see more & more customer service reps hiding behind policy... if you aren't allowed to admit a mistake, you can say something like: "If I were aloowed to speak my personal opinion on this, sir, I would tell you ...." |
| 21:33.55 | tapH20guru | tried openswan... it blows |
| 21:34.28 | hans | lars-ut: like mr. incredible. |
| 21:34.37 | bigdog_ut | tapH20guru -> http://cco.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/secursw/ps2308/index.html |
| 21:34.42 | lars-ut | hans: exactly. |
| 21:34.51 | lars-ut | hans: letter of the law |
| 21:35.17 | bigdog_ut | tapH20guru -> aironet one http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/tablebuild.pl/aironet-utils-linux |
| 21:36.27 | tapH20guru | bigdog: what's with the aironet? |
| 21:36.32 | decriptor | ars-ut: I 100% with you on that one |
| 21:36.43 | bigdog_ut | tapH20guru, just incase u wanted that too |
| 21:36.44 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 21:36.46 | decriptor | oooops cut your name off |
| 21:36.46 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 21:36.52 | lars-ut | ouch |
| 21:37.47 | decriptor | does anyone have a good doc/howto on spam/amavis/clamav |
| 21:38.43 | tensai | decriptor: what mta? |
| 21:38.49 | decriptor | postfix |
| 21:38.56 | decriptor | on suse if that helps |
| 21:39.16 | decriptor | I have it more or less working but it still sends email to virusalert@example.com |
| 21:39.25 | decriptor | and I changed it in the amavis.conf file |
| 21:39.33 | tensai | restart amavis? |
| 21:39.34 | decriptor | not sure if the spam is working though |
| 21:39.40 | decriptor | rebooted the server even |
| 21:40.00 | tensai | there's a spam test file ala EICAR |
| 21:41.06 | decriptor | I used their virus one |
| 21:41.13 | decriptor | clamav got it |
| 21:41.16 | Bradipo | decriptor: You could always use http://spammimic.com/ to generate some. :-) |
| 21:41.34 | decriptor | I have to set the domain up first that I want to bury :) |
| 21:42.22 | tensai | http://spamassassin.apache.org/gtube/ |
| 21:42.45 | tensai | GTUBE -- the Generic Test for Unsolicited Bulk Email |
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| 22:10.01 | vontrapp | eeps! |
| 22:10.39 | vontrapp | the result was.... interesting |
| 22:11.24 | vontrapp | might not be SFW |
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| 22:20.59 | dataw0lf|w | <3 |
| 22:21.24 | bigdog_ut | thanks dataw0lf|w |
| 22:21.26 | xilch|w | scroheart! |
| 22:21.45 | dataw0lf|w | :) |
| 22:22.00 | bigdog_ut | thansk xilch|w |
| 22:27.06 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
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| 22:53.23 | bonez39 | how does one delete a postgresql dataset? |
| 22:53.48 | jsmith | Data*set*? |
| 22:53.51 | jsmith | Do you mean database? |
| 22:53.56 | jsmith | Or all the records from a table? |
| 22:54.06 | goozbach | dropdb foo |
| 22:54.13 | goozbach | as the postgres user |
| 22:54.40 | jsmith | (or as any user who has permissions) |
| 22:55.13 | TimRiker | a contact I have out there is looking to build an arm linux device with some custom display hardware and software. |
| 22:55.47 | TimRiker | any embedded linux folks looking for work? /me wonders what duck is doing. |
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| 22:55.54 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 22:56.43 | xilch|w | hehe |
| 22:57.36 | xbmodder_lappy | Thats a good idea... |
| 22:57.41 | xbmodder_lappy | Anyone want to fund that? |
| 22:58.02 | xbmodder_lappy | :(. A monitor costs more than a computer these days. |
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| 23:00.40 | mheath | TimRiker: your biggest problem would be battery life |
| 23:00.43 | mheath | and size |
| 23:00.57 | xbmodder_lappy | size |
| 23:01.02 | xbmodder_lappy | definelty size |
| 23:01.15 | xbmodder_lappy | and wirght |
| 23:01.18 | xbmodder_lappy | *weight |
| 23:01.32 | mheath | xbmodder: the size problem is very secondary |
| 23:01.38 | xbmodder_lappy | hehe. |
| 23:01.44 | mheath | I don't know what kind of battery you would use that would last for more than an hour. |
| 23:02.35 | xbmodder_lappy | its 8.8 pounds |
| 23:02.41 | mheath | You'd have to power the XBOX and the monitor |
| 23:03.00 | xbmodder_lappy | The battery I am looking at is around 3 pounds |
| 23:03.06 | xbmodder_lappy | 120 bucks |
| 23:03.35 | mheath | xbmodder: specs? |
| 23:04.11 | xbmodder_lappy | umm 733 Mhz. KDE. 64 MB ram |
| 23:04.23 | xbmodder_lappy | x86 |
| 23:04.41 | mheath | What? |
| 23:04.47 | mheath | I asked for specs for your battery. |
| 23:04.51 | xbmodder_lappy | oh. |
| 23:04.57 | xbmodder_lappy | let me find it. |
| 23:04.57 | mheath | What in the world are you talking about? |
| 23:05.03 | xbmodder_lappy | the laptop |
| 23:05.26 | mheath | .....What laptop? O.o |
| 23:07.39 | xbmodder_lappy | * TimRiker wonders how one mods an xbox into a laptop. |
| 23:07.52 | mheath | ...... |
| 23:08.07 | mheath | He's talking about converting an xbox into a battery powered portable computer. |
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| 23:08.30 | mheath | Essentially making a laptop that can run XBOX games. |
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| 23:08.54 | xbmodder_lappy | and run linux |
| 23:09.41 | mheath | you still haven't told me the specs on that battery you were looking at. |
| 23:09.43 | levi | mheath: I think he was just playing off xbmodder's current nick. |
| 23:10.11 | xbmodder_lappy | I am looking |
| 23:10.21 | xbmodder_lappy | I saw it in a surplus catalog a while back |
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| 23:11.44 | xbmodder_lappy | 2.8 AH |
| 23:13.16 | xbmodder_lappy | 12 volts at 5AH |
| 23:13.27 | mheath | .......... |
| 23:13.36 | xbmodder_lappy | 2 in a parralel |
| 23:13.39 | xbmodder_lappy | package |
| 23:13.40 | mheath | Uh. |
| 23:13.46 | xbmodder_lappy | that are put into series |
| 23:13.53 | xbmodder_lappy | * |
| 23:13.55 | xbmodder_lappy | not series |
| 23:14.06 | mheath | xbmodder. |
| 23:14.08 | xbmodder_lappy | 4 in parallel to drive the main part |
| 23:14.15 | xbmodder_lappy | I am confused |
| 23:14.19 | xbmodder_lappy | let me clear my mind. |
| 23:15.13 | mheath | your not confused. you just know nothing about basic electronics and are trying to pretend like you do. |
| 23:15.23 | mheath | just don't try to experiment with your friends xbox. |
| 23:15.30 | xbmodder_lappy | no. |
| 23:15.41 | xbmodder_lappy | I took a class on this a while back. |
| 23:16.14 | xbmodder_lappy | Except the cart (our final project was to build a full size go cart and steering had to be electronic. |
| 23:16.25 | xbmodder_lappy | ) did not work too great |
| 23:16.46 | xbmodder_lappy | hehe. |
| 23:16.54 | xbmodder_lappy | I should try this. |
| 23:17.00 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone here have an Xbox? |
| 23:17.09 | TimRiker | would be easier to mod a laptop to run xbox games I'd think. |
| 23:17.10 | goozbach | I do |
| 23:17.18 | xbmodder_lappy | no. |
| 23:17.28 | goozbach | modding an xbox is pretty easy |
| 23:17.42 | goozbach | I used one of the screw-on modchips |
| 23:17.59 | goozbach | installed a 120G HDD |
| 23:18.19 | TimRiker | and then "used up the space" ? |
| 23:18.23 | xbmodder_lappy | TimRiker, which chip? |
| 23:18.26 | goozbach | then I got a un-limited rental deal at hollywood connection |
| 23:18.39 | TimRiker | mine is an ancient matrix chip. |
| 23:18.40 | goozbach | and THEN used up the space |
| 23:19.10 | TimRiker | goozbach: =) that's even legal. |
| 23:19.16 | xbmodder_lappy | TimRiker, its a pretty good chip.. now that I think about, I hope it burns in hell. |
| 23:19.34 | xbmodder_lappy | it ruined three xboxes |
| 23:19.35 | TimRiker | xbmodder_lappy: huh? |
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| 23:19.41 | xbmodder_lappy | I loaned it to my friends |
| 23:19.45 | goozbach | it's all savegames... I swear |
| 23:19.48 | xbmodder_lappy | killed both their boxes |
| 23:19.50 | xbmodder_lappy | and mine too. |
| 23:20.41 | TimRiker | goozbach: it's not legal to sell a system that records dvds (well, at least one without macrovision), but it is legal to actually record dvds. whether digital or otherwise. |
| 23:21.18 | TimRiker | goozbach: if you rent a movie, then you have seen it at home. and a vcr (or dvr) can legally be used to record it. |
| 23:21.27 | mheath | xbmodder: FYI, you'd want to rig the batteries in parallel |
| 23:21.39 | mheath | that increases the overall capacity |
| 23:21.48 | mheath | rigging them in a series increases their overall voltage |
| 23:21.49 | TimRiker | now, the motion picture industry does not want you to... but that's different that it not being legal. |
| 23:22.05 | Hhhhh | where are the Fedora ISOs in the BYU CS FTP site? |
| 23:22.10 | TimRiker | goozbach: of course selling or even giving away the recordings would not be legal. |
| 23:22.11 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, yeah |
| 23:22.13 | mheath | You want to keep it at 12VDC, because an XBOX and monitor want VAC, so you have to use an inverter. |
| 23:22.19 | mheath | Most inverter's take 12 VDC input |
| 23:22.19 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, i know. |
| 23:22.25 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, I figured it out :) |
| 23:22.49 | xbmodder_lappy | with 4 batteries in parallel it would be around 2 hours |
| 23:23.05 | TimRiker | mheath: make sure you build in some protection. many rechargeables won't like a feedback voltage if the other battery is charged more. |
| 23:23.18 | mheath | How do you figure that, xbmodder? |
| 23:25.49 | xbmodder_lappy | on the site it said that it could power a computer for about 30-35 minutes on a battery |
| 23:26.12 | xbmodder_lappy | (including monitor) |
| 23:26.27 | mheath | TimRiker: sssh, I'm trying to teach xbmodder, who seems to think that a couple 12 VDC 5AH batteries could power his XBOX and a monitor for hours. |
| 23:26.28 | TimRiker | well, the xbox is power hungry. |
| 23:26.38 | TimRiker | mheath: =) |
| 23:27.00 | Hhhhh | Newsome said he put Fedora ISOs in the BYU CS FTP site, but I can't find them. Do you know where? |
| 23:27.15 | mheath | xbmodder: lets think of it this way |
| 23:27.36 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, no....17 AH battery |
| 23:28.05 | mheath | Have you ever had a car battery die, or see a car battery die? |
| 23:28.11 | mheath | Seen someone need a jump start. |
| 23:28.13 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah. |
| 23:28.20 | xbmodder_lappy | my father... |
| 23:28.42 | mheath | Car batteries have a much bigger capacity than these batteries you're talking about |
| 23:28.55 | mheath | Now, what are car batteries powering? |
| 23:29.24 | xbmodder_lappy | 50 AH |
| 23:29.51 | xbmodder_lappy | cars |
| 23:30.01 | mheath | What in the car does the battery power? |
| 23:30.13 | xbmodder_lappy | uses? |
| 23:31.03 | mheath | Keep in mind that when the cars running, the altenator powers everything |
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| 23:31.25 | mheath | The battery only directly goes to starting the car and powering your lights and such when the cars off. |
| 23:31.46 | xbmodder_lappy | A/C in car navigation systems, in car computer. |
| 23:31.56 | mheath | You know how if you leave your lights on for a long time, your battery can die? |
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| 23:32.13 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 23:32.28 | mheath | If a couple small lights can deplete a big battery..... |
| 23:32.55 | mheath | What makes you think a couple batteries with less than half that capacity could run some massive power-hungry electronics for hours on end? |
| 23:33.41 | xbmodder_lappy | well I am thinking that switching the hard drive for a small 4200 RPM drive would require less power |
| 23:33.51 | xbmodder_lappy | and you shall not use an inverter |
| 23:33.58 | xbmodder_lappy | directly to the battery. |
| 23:34.21 | mheath | You're going to hook your 120 VAC electronics to a 12 VDC battery? |
| 23:34.22 | mheath | O.o |
| 23:35.14 | levi | mheath: 220 watts of electrical lighting isn't exactly a small load. |
| 23:35.17 | xbmodder_lappy | no inside the xbox there is a 12 volt drive I believe. |
| 23:35.46 | xbmodder_lappy | and 6 volt mobo |
| 23:35.53 | mheath | levi: point taken, but car lights are a smaller load than a computer monitor and an xbox. |
| 23:35.54 | xbmodder_lappy | or the other-way around. |
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| 23:36.26 | levi | mheath: I don't know about that. Depends on the monitor. |
| 23:36.50 | levi | mheath: We use lamps here to generate loads for testing. |
| 23:38.58 | mheath | xbmodder: and your monitor? |
| 23:39.19 | levi | Most PC power supplies are rated at a much higher wattage level than is actually used under steady load. And an XBox is not a high-power processor, as far as computers go. They have an 85 or 90 watt power supply. |
| 23:40.18 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, me is checking |
| 23:40.45 | mheath | levi: I don't know exactly the power usage of an xbox, but I'm doubting that xbmodder is right. He keeps saying he can power an xbox and a full computer monitor off a couple of 12VDC 17ah batteries for *hours* |
| 23:41.30 | mheath | And he says he can power a full desktop computer and a desktop monitor off ONE 12VDC 17aH battery for 35 minutes |
| 23:41.46 | xbmodder_lappy | 11~24 volts |
| 23:41.53 | xbmodder_lappy | at 1A |
| 23:42.00 | levi | mheath: Have you considered the batteries in UPS units? |
| 23:42.01 | xbmodder_lappy | I mean 12 volts. |
| 23:42.22 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, this is basically a generic replacement. |
| 23:42.36 | mheath | levi: one second. |
| 23:42.44 | mheath | The UPS on this computer..... |
| 23:42.55 | mheath | takes three 12 Volt 1.2 Amp Hr. batteries |
| 23:43.01 | mheath | and you have to shut down the computer immediately |
| 23:43.16 | mheath | it gives you about 3-5 minutes of life, enough time to safely shut down the computer |
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| 23:43.47 | xbmodder_lappy | so if this spec is right the battery at 17AH and the battery requires 1 AMP |
| 23:44.14 | mheath | xbmodder: what? o.O |
| 23:44.39 | xbmodder_lappy | 17 hours |
| 23:44.46 | xbmodder_lappy | plus the xboxen |
| 23:46.44 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 23:46.51 | levi | The AC adaptor for my laptop supplies a maximum output of 46 Watts, which puts an upper bound of my computer's power usage there. |
| 23:46.51 | mheath | xbmodder: you're not making any sense. |
| 23:47.31 | mheath | levi: a laptops power usage is a COMPLETELY different thing than a full computer |
| 23:47.52 | mheath | every component of a laptop is specifically designed to conserve power |
| 23:48.20 | mheath | whereas with a desktop, or an xbox, or whatever, they're not as concerned. Inefficient electronics are cheaper and easier to make |
| 23:49.15 | levi | mheath: Dude, you're assuming I'm making some other point than I am. |
| 23:49.50 | levi | Considering my laptop has both a full computer and a display, it's a safe assumption that you could get a LCD display that would consume less than 46W. |
| 23:51.01 | levi | So, an 80W draw from the XBox and a 46W draw from the display gives you 126W for a complete system. Still way less than the electrical draw of a car with its lights on. |
| 23:52.30 | levi | Also, car batteries are generally designed to be efficient under heavy load, such as running the starter motor. They are far less efficient when given a small load, unless you get one specifically designed for that. |
| 23:54.28 | levi | My guess is that the actual load of an XBox and a reasonably miserly LCD would be closer to 100W. |
| 23:56.19 | mheath | "The Xbox video game system can consume up to 100 watts" |
| 23:56.40 | mheath | Right out of the XBox manual |
| 23:57.02 | xbmodder | hey! |
| 23:57.15 | levi | Well, I was going off info I found online, which said it had a 90W power supply. |
| 23:57.35 | xbmodder | levi, your right |
| 23:58.11 | xbmodder | If I was taken up on this project I'd outfit it with a 4200 RPM drive |
| 23:58.25 | mheath | xbmodder: and I assume Microsoft's XBox Hardware Manual is wrong? |
| 23:58.27 | levi | You can't get a device that has a 90W-rated power supply approved if it may actually draw even 90W. |
| 23:58.38 | xbmodder | levi, actually there are 6 versions of the xbox. |
| 23:59.01 | xbmodder | Some (the originals and some more) have 100W power suppleies |
| 23:59.04 | xbmodder | *supplies |
| 23:59.16 | mheath | levi: and tomshardware.com says an LCD monitor consumes 25 to 40 watts |
| 23:59.36 | xbmodder | mheath, let me confirm |
| 23:59.38 | levi | mheath: So, my assumption was safe. |