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| 00:16.43 | lukfugl | meeting is at what time tonight? |
| 00:18.14 | lukfugl | oh, ok :) |
| 00:19.03 | lukfugl | (I guess everyone is at the PM meeting...) |
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| 00:24.27 | lukfugl | 'lo emcnabb |
| 00:28.15 | emcnabb | yo |
| 00:28.26 | lukfugl | going to plug tonight? |
| 00:28.32 | emcnabb | I'm out of state |
| 00:28.39 | lukfugl | oh, yeah |
| 00:28.41 | lukfugl | forgot :) |
| 00:29.02 | emcnabb | mhalcrow and I just went out to dinner |
| 00:29.08 | emcnabb | ~lart goozbach |
| 00:29.15 | goozbach | hope you enjoy your class next week |
| 00:29.23 | emcnabb | I'm not teaching it :-) |
| 00:29.23 | goozbach | where you at evan? |
| 00:29.28 | emcnabb | Austin |
| 00:29.36 | goozbach | Texas |
| 00:29.38 | goozbach | right on |
| 00:29.39 | emcnabb | yup |
| 00:29.50 | emcnabb | class for Dell employees |
| 00:30.00 | goozbach | having fun? |
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| 00:30.27 | emcnabb | yeah, it's a ton of material to cover in a week (GL615 focusing on RHCE) |
| 00:31.11 | emcnabb | there's a guy in my class who went on his mission to Ukraine |
| 00:33.18 | Newsome | emcnabb: go get some steak yet? |
| 00:34.09 | emcnabb | not yet, but I've had some dang good BBQ |
| 00:35.22 | Newsome | Been to The County Line? |
| 00:35.31 | emcnabb | not yet |
| 00:35.35 | Newsome | mmmmm |
| 00:35.46 | emcnabb | hum... |
| 00:35.58 | emcnabb | you came down here for a conference, right? |
| 00:36.02 | Newsome | http://www.countyline.com/ |
| 00:36.06 | Newsome | yeah, about 5 times |
| 00:36.12 | emcnabb | wow :-) |
| 00:37.49 | emcnabb | it's somewhat close to where I'm staying |
| 00:39.09 | Newsome | so, what's GL615? |
| 00:39.50 | emcnabb | Linux for Unix Administrators |
| 00:42.47 | Newsome | hmm, okay |
| 00:43.10 | Newsome | any new certifications I should go get? |
| 00:43.55 | emcnabb | we'll probably go for the RHCA eventually |
| 00:44.03 | emcnabb | that sounds interesting |
| 00:44.50 | Newsome | do they have one of those 1-week classes to remind me of everything? |
| 00:46.40 | emcnabb | I'm not sure what exactly is on the exam |
| 00:46.53 | emcnabb | it's a LOT more than the RHCE though |
| 00:47.39 | Newsome | Sounds interesting. Maybe it would take more than 2 hours. :) |
| 00:49.28 | Newsome | I'd go take all the classes for it, but they don't want to pay for me to go to more than one thing this year, so an all-in-one class would be nice. |
| 00:53.23 | emcnabb | yeah, it would be nice |
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| 02:10.01 | Newsome | resplin: what's the problem? |
| 02:22.26 | mheath | OK |
| 02:22.30 | mheath | Gmail officially sucks |
| 02:22.34 | mheath | or at least its SMTP does |
| 02:24.09 | mheath | well, gmail in general I guess |
| 02:24.18 | mheath | it chooses randomly when it wants to get my e-mail |
| 02:24.25 | mheath | *give me my |
| 02:25.21 | luminerd | mheath, gmail rules man! what you smokin'? |
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| 02:25.45 | mheath | I just got an e-mail that should have been delivered 3 days ago |
| 02:25.55 | mheath | All the headers indicate it was received my Gmails servers 3 days ago |
| 02:26.04 | mheath | Its dated 3 days ago |
| 02:26.14 | mheath | but I just barely got it in my mailbox this evening |
| 02:28.38 | luminerd | hmm thats wierd |
| 02:28.42 | luminerd | I never had that problem |
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| 03:10.58 | mheath | Microsoft is threatening to not release any information about their file sharing, printing, etc. protocols of the future unless the implementing software is closed source |
| 03:11.08 | mheath | And people are complaining that this will kill the Samba project and similar things |
| 03:11.34 | mheath | I think I have a rather simple solution |
| 03:11.53 | mheath | Why not make open source projects legally closed source, but functionally open source? |
| 03:12.21 | mheath | Have a legal owning foundation, submitters officially sign their works over to the owning foundation, and have a simple non-disclosure agreement |
| 03:12.36 | mheath | Only be 100% open on who can agree to the non-disclosure agreement and access the source |
| 03:12.58 | mheath | This would broaden Open Source project's horizons in several other ways, too |
| 03:13.16 | mheath | It would allow for Open Source projects to potentially use other closed source code |
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| 03:14.46 | mheath | I mean, is my solution insane? |
| 03:14.52 | mheath | Or could something like this work? |
| 03:15.59 | levi-laptop | I missed it. |
| 03:16.14 | mheath | levi-laptop: let me message you? |
| 03:16.21 | mheath | I'll copy/paste |
| 03:16.27 | levi-laptop | Sure. |
| 03:18.39 | mheath | levi-laptop: what do you think? |
| 03:19.07 | levi-laptop | mheath: I think the Microsoft agreement would probably disallow that sort of thing, or make it impractical somehow. |
| 03:19.35 | mheath | I doubt it |
| 03:19.52 | mheath | how could you legally express that stuff like this is disallowed, in comparison to 'truly' closed source projects? |
| 03:20.23 | mheath | The NDA would be 'selective' about who has access to the code |
| 03:20.38 | mheath | and place 'heavy' restrictions on its redistribution |
| 03:22.08 | mheath | I mean... |
| 03:22.43 | mheath | Access to the source code for Program X would be restricted to members of the Program X Foundation who had signed the non-disclosure agreement. |
| 03:22.48 | mheath | Its closed source ;) |
| 03:25.40 | levi-laptop | I dunno. MS has clever lawyers. |
| 03:27.31 | mheath | I think I'll write an e-mail to the FSF |
| 03:27.45 | mheath | asking 1) if this would work, and 2) if this would be considered an extreme evil and not "truly free" |
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| 03:53.02 | markl_ | mheath: Stallman would consider it an extreme evil |
| 03:53.33 | markl_ | since it restricts the freedom of what people can do with the software |
| 03:53.41 | mheath | Not functionally. |
| 03:54.48 | mheath | But yeah, I agree |
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| 15:57.28 | hans | yah |
| 15:58.22 | levi-laptop | Morning. |
| 15:59.48 | tensai | ~lart sql server |
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| 16:12.11 | levi-laptop | Heh. We've been afflicted with PHP for 10 years now. |
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| 16:25.02 | tensai | great. ever wondered what happens when one of those ssh worms finds an open box? details in my blog in a few hours... |
| 16:26.44 | tensai | looks like some really nasty stuff. but now I have details. hopefully I can get copies of all the files. |
| 16:26.51 | tensai | hopefully there's no root kit |
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| 16:31.34 | Hhhhh | good morning |
| 16:32.20 | vontrapp | ~pie hans |
| 16:32.22 | ibot | ACTION hits hans in the face with a cream pie |
| 16:34.58 | Tene | ~jedi ibot |
| 16:34.59 | ibot | ACTION plays jedi mind tricks on ibot |
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| 17:10.15 | lukfugl | 'lo |
| 17:10.24 | Tene | coi |
| 17:10.25 | lukfugl | anyone in here used shfs? |
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| 17:10.48 | Tene | nope |
| 17:11.47 | lukfugl | hrm |
| 17:11.55 | hans | ~lart lukfugl |
| 17:12.00 | hans | vontrapp has |
| 17:12.12 | lukfugl | wave vontrapp |
| 17:12.17 | lukfugl | ~wave vontrapp |
| 17:12.18 | ibot | Bye, vontrapp |
| 17:12.20 | hans | ~jedi vontrapp |
| 17:12.21 | ibot | ACTION plays jedi mind tricks on vontrapp |
| 17:12.36 | lukfugl | ~poke vontrapp |
| 17:12.37 | ibot | but then who will poke the pokers, lukfugl? tyce? |
| 17:12.43 | hans | ~fish vontrapp |
| 17:12.44 | ibot | ACTION slaps vontrapp around with a large trout |
| 17:12.48 | lukfugl | ~whale vontrapp |
| 17:12.54 | bucky | i used shfs on suse 7.3... it was the diet coke of evil |
| 17:12.55 | vontrapp | ~fish all ya'll |
| 17:12.56 | ibot | ACTION slaps all ya'll around with a large trout |
| 17:13.11 | lukfugl | bucky: shfs was, or suse was? |
| 17:13.17 | bucky | both |
| 17:13.29 | vontrapp | lukfugl: what's your fish? |
| 17:14.03 | lukfugl | I mounted an shfsmount yesterday, left it connected. Apparently the ssh timed out and now the share is dead |
| 17:14.12 | Tene | YAY! |
| 17:14.13 | vontrapp | use -p |
| 17:14.18 | lukfugl | I can remount it in a new directory and it works fine |
| 17:14.20 | lukfugl | -p? |
| 17:14.25 | vontrapp | persistent |
| 17:14.27 | lukfugl | is that for keepalive? |
| 17:14.30 | lukfugl | sweet |
| 17:14.40 | lukfugl | that was one of my questions (was going to be my second) |
| 17:14.45 | vontrapp | i've only been able to free the dead mounts by rebooting |
| 17:14.51 | lukfugl | my first question though, is how can I umount the daed share? |
| 17:14.54 | lukfugl | ok |
| 17:15.03 | vontrapp | but i have been succesful remounting ontop of the same directory and not worrying about it |
| 17:15.04 | lukfugl | that's what I suspected |
| 17:15.14 | lukfugl | on top of the same dir? |
| 17:15.17 | vontrapp | yep |
| 17:15.22 | vontrapp | the old mount is trumped |
| 17:15.28 | lukfugl | ok |
| 17:15.32 | lukfugl | and -p for persisten |
| 17:15.36 | vontrapp | still there, but not seen |
| 17:15.38 | vontrapp | like scoping |
| 17:15.47 | lukfugl | thanks |
| 17:16.15 | lukfugl | vontrapp: anyway to specify that -p in /etc/fstab? |
| 17:16.35 | vontrapp | maybe "persistent" in the options field, dunno |
| 17:17.18 | vontrapp | yeah, looks like that would work |
| 17:18.00 | vontrapp | i find shfs pretty slow, fyi |
| 17:18.15 | vontrapp | so if you're going over a local network where speed could be great, it won't be |
| 17:18.17 | lukfugl | so do I, but I don't have any better choice at the moment |
| 17:18.27 | vontrapp | but if your limitations lie elsewhere, you won't know it |
| 17:18.53 | lukfugl | it's to a box out on the net anyways |
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| 17:37.57 | levi-laptop | So, I was listening to the radio, and they were playing songs from the new Coldplay album. The one they were playing had a guitar riff that I'd sworn I'd heard before. |
| 17:38.37 | levi-laptop | It was driving me nuts. |
| 17:39.36 | goozbach | levi-laptop: I'm thinking its Cash |
| 17:39.37 | levi-laptop | I was just told that it was lifted from Kraftwerk, of all unlikely sources. It's no wonder I couldn't place it. The guitar threw me off. :) |
| 17:42.27 | levi-laptop | From Computerlove, more specifically. |
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| 18:07.32 | neybar | Coldplay drive me nuts, I liked Yellow when it very first came out. After that all their stuff sounds exactly the same to me. |
| 18:08.54 | tensai | neybar: find a hit, make 20 copies. sounds like a winning busines strategy to me. |
| 18:09.13 | neybar | yeah, it works for them |
| 18:09.26 | neybar | marrying a movie star helps too... |
| 18:10.07 | dataw0lf|w | they don't rock my socks off, thus, I can't listen to them for more than 2 minutes. |
| 18:15.48 | hans | well I like coldplay |
| 18:16.07 | tensai | I've long since given up listening to the music on the radio. not worth my time. |
| 18:16.29 | dataw0lf|w | tensai: yeah, same here. I'll tune into NPR often though. |
| 18:17.04 | tensai | dataw0lf|w: same. that's why I said "music on the radio". too bad the local npr station doesn't carry much npr content. :( |
| 18:18.02 | tensai | I need to get an mp3 player so I can listen to podcasts outside the office |
| 18:19.08 | dataw0lf|w | tensai: that's what I do ;) |
| 18:20.09 | tensai | dataw0lf|w: what sort of player do you have? |
| 18:20.28 | dataw0lf|w | tensai: Creative Zen Touch, 40 gigs. |
| 18:21.00 | dataw0lf|w | best sound quality of any mp3 player, a bit sensitive though. |
| 18:21.25 | dataw0lf|w | and if it has the latest firmware, nobody's reverse engineered MTP for Linux, so you'll have to have a Windows machine handy. |
| 18:21.37 | dataw0lf|w | (to sync it) |
| 18:22.48 | dataw0lf|w | synic just got a zen micro, haven't heard what his thoughts on it are yet. |
| 18:22.52 | tensai | well, that won't work. no windows machines. |
| 18:24.00 | dataw0lf|w | just make sure it doesn't have the latest firmware, and there's tons of tools for linux. |
| 18:25.39 | dataw0lf|w | and the battery life is outright amazing. |
| 18:25.51 | tensai | that's certainly a good thing |
| 18:26.08 | tensai | anybody ever used audible.com? |
| 18:26.10 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, went a whole weekend without plugging it in, had a bar left when I finally did. |
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| 18:47.48 | vontrapp | what was the syntax to select an element possessing an attribute of a certain value in css? |
| 18:48.03 | vontrapp | it was something akin to input=type['button'] |
| 18:48.06 | vontrapp | but that's not it |
| 18:50.40 | vontrapp | ah, that's it, input[type='submit'] |
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| 20:03.32 | Jayce^ | oooh |
| 20:04.06 | Tene | oooh |
| 20:04.14 | Tene | ~jedi Jayce^ |
| 20:04.15 | ibot | ACTION zaps Jayce^ with her jedi powers |
| 20:04.26 | Jayce^ | warm, gooey :) |
| 20:33.47 | mheath | Wow |
| 20:34.18 | mheath | Looking around IMDB, users have rated one of my favorite films as the 5th greatest film of all time |
| 20:34.44 | mheath | yet people think I'm weird when I suggest this "old, obscure, japanese movie" |
| 20:36.42 | spr | mheath, which one? |
| 20:39.16 | mheath | Shichinin no saumrai |
| 20:39.27 | mheath | (The Seven Samurai) |
| 20:39.56 | mheath | Can anyone here recommend a movie? I'm looking for something really good to watch |
| 20:40.09 | tapH20guru | So I Married an Axe Murderer? |
| 20:40.22 | Jayce^ | band of brothers :) |
| 20:40.43 | Jayce^ | http://extras.sltrib.com/bagley/Archive.asp?Vol=content&Num=2 |
| 20:41.04 | Jayce^ | for those following the whole dell / gun thing |
| 20:42.01 | Newsome | I wish someone would off that guy. |
| 20:42.18 | Hhhhh | I hate that guy so much |
| 20:42.25 | mheath | His computer stores are laughable, too. |
| 20:42.27 | Hhhhh | and their prices are retardedly insane |
| 20:42.32 | mheath | And they rip you off like mad |
| 20:42.42 | Hhhhh | I'd rather go to PCClub 100 times better |
| 20:42.43 | mheath | Mark up their prices from their distributors price A LOT. |
| 20:42.48 | mheath | Hhhhh: no! |
| 20:42.52 | Hhhhh | pfff |
| 20:42.55 | Hhhhh | PCCluc is good |
| 20:42.56 | mheath | Go to Superior Computers |
| 20:42.59 | Hhhhh | PCClub** |
| 20:43.03 | mheath | They'll price match anything |
| 20:43.04 | Hhhhh | PCClub! |
| 20:43.09 | Hhhhh | PCClub! |
| 20:43.11 | mheath | 3 year parts warranty and liftime service on new computers |
| 20:43.12 | Jayce^ | pc discounters |
| 20:43.15 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 20:43.24 | Newsome | anyone see the Get Gephart on computer repair? |
| 20:43.28 | Hhhhh | mheath: I assume you/a friend works there? |
| 20:43.28 | mheath | Where else will you get 3 year parts warranties on a $700 new computer? |
| 20:43.45 | mheath | Hhhhh: I'm impartial. I had an internship there when I was in school |
| 20:43.49 | mheath | I was blown away. |
| 20:43.51 | Newsome | Totally Awesome is the only place that couldn't fix the problem (unplugged hard drive power cable). |
| 20:44.04 | Hhhhh | Totally Newsome Computers!!!! |
| 20:44.07 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 20:44.14 | Newsome | Everyone else fixed it no problem. Totally Stupid said it was broken, and they needed to buy a new one. |
| 20:44.21 | Newsome | uhm, no. |
| 20:44.26 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 20:44.53 | tapH20guru | Schawnze is a spaz to boot |
| 20:45.18 | Hhhhh | Schawnzenneger |
| 20:45.19 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 20:45.23 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 20:45.24 | tapH20guru | nice |
| 20:45.42 | Bradipo | Interesting comic... |
| 20:45.56 | Hhhhh | "...or I'll shoot you in the eye!!!" |
| 20:46.00 | Bradipo | Where ``Ordinary citizens get to carry concealed weapons!!!'' |
| 20:46.02 | Bradipo | I'm not sure I get it. |
| 20:46.22 | Bradipo | Are they saying that he is a wacko for carrying one? |
| 20:46.46 | Hhhhh | Bradipo: that cartoon is dissing gun laws |
| 20:46.54 | Hhhhh | that's the irony there |
| 20:46.58 | Bradipo | Ahh. |
| 20:47.23 | Bradipo | Yeah, well just because we have the right, doesn't mean we can abuse their usage. |
| 20:47.27 | Bradipo | But that makes more sense. |
| 20:48.48 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, actually it's more that that's the argument dell used to "defend" himself from the evil people who didn't like him driving 80mph through their neighborhood (with a deaf child in the street) |
| 20:49.13 | Bradipo | I only saw a brief mention of the incident in the news. |
| 20:49.19 | Jayce^ | basically, they went after him, and pulled a gun claiming he had a right to defent himself and his property |
| 20:49.47 | Hhhhh | should I mention that Dell has been in trouble with the law before for marijuana deals? |
| 20:49.49 | Jayce^ | now remember, I'm a gun rights bigot... but dell is using it as a straw man, the guy had no right to do what he did |
| 20:49.49 | Bradipo | Why didn't they pull out their guns and run him off theirs? |
| 20:49.55 | Bradipo | Oh, I agree. |
| 20:49.58 | Jayce^ | they didn't have them :) |
| 20:50.04 | Bradipo | And why didn't they? |
| 20:50.11 | Bradipo | :-) |
| 20:50.39 | Bradipo | Because we have been taught (at least indirectly) that the people carrying the guns are either a) the bad guys or b) the police. |
| 20:50.50 | Bradipo | ANyway, I realize I'm preaching to the choir. |
| 20:50.54 | Hhhhh | personally, I'd prefer it that way |
| 20:51.07 | Hhhhh | personally I don't like c) |
| 20:51.08 | Bradipo | But I think he would have backed down if 10 people all pulled out their guns and told him to take a hike. |
| 20:51.30 | Jayce^ | shoot out the nutcases tires |
| 20:51.39 | Bradipo | Yep. |
| 20:52.10 | levi-laptop | mheath: I assume you've seen Yojimbo, but if you haven't, you should. |
| 20:53.15 | Bradipo | What is that wonderful quote from Lord of the Rings (the movie), The Two Towers. Eowyn is practicing with her sword and Aragorn walks in... ``Those who don't live by the sword can still die by the sword'' or something like that. :-) |
| 20:55.55 | Bradipo | Is it true that in Switzerland every home is required to maintain its own weapon received during military training? |
| 20:56.28 | hans | anyone got a fax machine handy? |
| 20:56.57 | Bradipo | In use or for lending/borrowing? |
| 20:56.59 | hans | that can help me debug this oddity? faxes from on-site to on-site (even when dialing 9fullnum) are working, but lots of people complaining that their faxes aren't coming in |
| 20:57.47 | dataw0lf|w | Bradipo: No, it's not true. |
| 20:58.17 | Bradipo | dataw0lf: Were they at one time? |
| 20:58.43 | dataw0lf|w | Bradipo: I'm unsure. After the military, I believe they may keep their weapon for personal use/protection, but they're not required. |
| 20:58.56 | Bradipo | Ok, aside from the required bit... |
| 20:59.08 | Bradipo | They keep their weapon after training for protection. |
| 20:59.38 | dataw0lf|w | they can, yes. |
| 20:59.59 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, the requirement was an older law iirc, at one point it existed, along with a case of ammo, but nowadays it's just allowed or something like that |
| 21:00.09 | Bradipo | Interesting. |
| 21:00.16 | dataw0lf|w | 'Between their regular annual service of two or three weeks per year, Swiss soldiers and officers keep their personal weapons at home. After they have left the army, they may keep those arms in order to continue practicing at rifle or pistol ranges managed by local communities. Special rules also govern hunting or sporting rifles.' |
| 21:00.34 | dataw0lf|w | http://www.eda.admin.ch/washington_emb/e/home/legaff/Fact/gunown.html |
| 21:01.15 | Bradipo | hans: What kind of a fax do you want? :-) |
| 21:01.44 | hans | a test kind. :) |
| 21:02.02 | hans | 4892199 |
| 21:02.24 | vontrapp | fax him a roll of toilet paper! |
| 21:02.51 | Jayce^ | hans, just take your ibook outside and send from that |
| 21:03.06 | Jayce^ | it just does print-to-fax |
| 21:03.13 | hans | hmm, that's an idea |
| 21:03.20 | hans | then I could work from home |
| 21:03.27 | Jayce^ | it's easy enough that my wife figured it out on her own :) |
| 21:03.40 | Jayce^ | just a print option 'print pdf as fax' or something like that |
| 21:04.27 | Bradipo | hans: Did you get it? |
| 21:04.38 | hans | let me go look. it's upstairs |
| 21:05.43 | hans | yeah got it. nice fax |
| 21:05.51 | hans | too bad it worked |
| 21:06.54 | Bradipo | Maybe I need something more complex than banner(1) |
| 21:36.28 | hans | maybe the world is full of idiots who don't know how to use their fax machines. |
| 21:37.54 | levi-laptop | Some higher-order functions would be really handy now. |
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| 21:50.28 | lars-ut | ~taquito |
| 21:50.29 | ibot | ACTION loves them little taquitos, he loves them good! |
| 22:02.08 | tapH20guru | Mmmm.. Chevy's taquitos |
| 22:03.18 | lars-ut | Is Chevy's yummy? |
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| 22:05.56 | Jayce^ | yes |
| 22:05.56 | lars-ut | tapH20guru: Try the Rojos brand fire-roasted tomato salsa. I've been buying it from Allen's. It's brown, & very tasty - strong garlic. |
| 22:06.15 | lars-ut | favorite entree? |
| 22:07.35 | beandog | bash3 finally went stable |
| 22:07.45 | beandog | so did readline5 ... gotta recompile half my system |
| 22:08.35 | mheath | can anyone here comment on the movie "Rengo Kantai"? |
| 22:09.29 | beandog | how come hans |
| 22:09.46 | hans | I don't enjoy it |
| 22:10.03 | Jayce^ | hans, you might enjoy dhanks comment |
| 22:10.21 | hans | database theory is just plain not all that interesting. flame wars about database theory make me gag |
| 22:10.23 | Jayce^ | and yes, trying discussing a schema you are designing with him sometime :) |
| 22:11.03 | Jayce^ | ~lart beandog for running gentoo |
| 22:11.35 | beandog | only 14 packages to reinstall, thats no bad. |
| 22:11.36 | beandog | :) |
| 22:11.47 | beandog | including X, postgresql and mysql |
| 22:11.47 | beandog | woo hoo |
| 22:12.29 | lars-ut | I've got a server that is running out of space on / & running RAID1 - suggestions? |
| 22:12.46 | lars-ut | The other partitions have some free space. |
| 22:12.59 | Jayce^ | how is it partitioned? |
| 22:13.09 | TimRiker | lars-ut: time to move stuff and symlink |
| 22:13.32 | lars-ut | Can I symlink /etc ? |
| 22:14.01 | tensai | I wouldn't. you'll need /etc/fstab |
| 22:14.30 | TimRiker | /usr/something would be better. |
| 22:14.49 | tensai | /var/log is my common culprit |
| 22:15.01 | Jayce^ | tensai, that's what I was about to suggest |
| 22:15.09 | TimRiker | having a separate partition for /var is a Good Thing. |
| 22:15.23 | Jayce^ | also some /var/cache or other package cache |
| 22:15.46 | TimRiker | lars-ut: but you never mentioned what your current partitioning was. what partitions do you have? |
| 22:16.52 | Jayce^ | ~lart packages that expect the daemon to be upgraded to be running, and don't upgrade if it isn't |
| 22:17.33 | lars-ut | ./dev/md5 on /home type xfs |
| 22:17.37 | lars-ut | ./dev/md4 on /tmp type ext3 |
| 22:17.38 | lars-ut | ./dev/md2 on /var type xfs |
| 22:17.39 | lars-ut | ./dev/md1 on /usr type ext3 |
| 22:17.40 | lars-ut | ./dev/md0 on / type ext3 |
| 22:17.49 | lars-ut | sorry about the leading dots |
| 22:18.09 | lars-ut | & /dev/md3 is swap |
| 22:18.57 | tensai | boy, there's not much more you can move off of /. is there tons of stuff in /root or /opt? |
| 22:19.45 | lars-ut | 61M in root - I just made the part too smal to begin with. |
| 22:19.50 | Jayce^ | etc should be pretty small, is something in there that shouldn't? |
| 22:19.55 | Jayce^ | ah |
| 22:20.49 | lars-ut | # /usr has 3.7G free though, and it's adjacent - I'm just nervous because I'm new to RAID |
| 22:22.08 | lars-ut | this is software RAID on Debian Sarge, kernel 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 22:24.36 | mheath | Ahah. I found it. The movie I'm going to rent ;) |
| 22:24.40 | mheath | "The Incredibly Strange Creatures who Stopped Living and Became Mixed-Up Zombies!!?" |
| 22:24.52 | mheath | (I'm only joking, but that is apparently a real movie) |
| 22:27.11 | Hhhhh | time to kill n00bs in Far Cry, bye |
| 22:27.12 | lars-ut | tensai, Jayce, TimRiker: here's what / looks like: |
| 22:27.16 | lars-ut | 12K ./lost+found |
| 22:27.16 | lars-ut | 6.5M ./etc |
| 22:27.16 | lars-ut | 3.0K ./media |
| 22:27.16 | lars-ut | 3.3M ./bin |
| 22:27.17 | lars-ut | 6.3M ./boot |
| 22:27.17 | lars-ut | 949K ./dev |
| 22:27.19 | lars-ut | 27M ./lib |
| 22:27.21 | lars-ut | 514M ./proc |
| 22:27.23 | lars-ut | 7.9M ./root |
| 22:27.25 | lars-ut | 6.3M ./sbin |
| 22:27.27 | lars-ut | 0 ./sys |
| 22:27.29 | lars-ut | 1.0K ./srv |
| 22:27.31 | lars-ut | 1.0K ./opt |
| 22:27.33 | lars-ut | 1.0K ./initrd |
| 22:27.35 | lars-ut | 5.0K ./.scripts |
| 22:28.10 | lars-ut | Suggestions? |
| 22:31.15 | tensai | lars-ut: I'll admit I don't have any. move much more and your system isn't likely to boot. |
| 22:32.07 | tensai | well, /root could move. will that buy you enough space? |
| 22:32.28 | hans | better to move the junk out of /root |
| 22:35.10 | lars-ut | hans: root is now 38k |
| 22:35.58 | lars-ut | #Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 22:35.59 | lars-ut | #/dev/md0 ext3 69M 54M 12M 83% / |
| 22:37.35 | lars-ut | Is there any way to resize /dev/md1 & /dev/md0? |
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| 22:54.28 | hans | what the |
| 22:54.29 | hans | sqlite: relocation error: /usr/local/lib/libreadline.so.5: undefined symbol: BC |
| 22:55.00 | vontrapp | it was offended you didn't want to read the db theory thread |
| 22:56.31 | hans | hmm, how did libreadline get into /usr/local/lib? |
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| 23:12.47 | TimRiker | lars-ut: do you have some old kernels around? how large is /lib/modules ? |
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| 23:12.55 | decriptor | hey all |
| 23:13.38 | decriptor | I've been trying to post to the list but can't so here i am what do you all think about the probably of the apple intel merger |
| 23:13.50 | lars-ut | @TimRiker: /lib/modules is 25M - only one kernel there. |
| 23:14.18 | decriptor | http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20050609.html |
| 23:14.21 | decriptor | hey lars |
| 23:14.35 | TimRiker | lars-ut: well, you _could_ move that, but if your initrd does not have all the modules you need, then you won't finish the boot. |
| 23:16.40 | decriptor | modules who needs them stinking modules |
| 23:18.12 | Jayce^ | merger, no way IMHO |
| 23:18.19 | decriptor | read the article |
| 23:18.36 | decriptor | from what I could tell intel is pissed with M$ so they want to take them out |
| 23:18.51 | Jayce^ | right, saw that, still, no way they will merge |
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| 23:19.35 | lars-ut | hey decriptor |
| 23:19.55 | lars-ut | @TimRiker: Not booting could be a problem |
| 23:20.15 | lars-ut | but if I have insane uptime no prob, right? |
| 23:20.36 | decriptor | that's not something I'd bank on |
| 23:20.55 | lars-ut | me neither - I like to upgrade the kernel every now & then as well |
| 23:21.30 | lars-ut | I understood that some hardware raid drivers offer live resizing, but this is software raid |
| 23:22.12 | lars-ut | I made the / part too small initially & I'm trying to correct it. |
| 23:22.24 | TimRiker | lars-ut: well, booting with init=/bin/sh should still work. then you can reverse it if needed. |
| 23:23.04 | TimRiker | lars-ut: I would expect that everything should be fine with the move. I'm just saying that if I'm wrong, you'll have to put it back. ;-) |
| 23:23.18 | decriptor | I think hard drive wise you just need to get bigger drives |
| 23:23.36 | decriptor | you don't have a ton of space to play with |
| 23:23.44 | lars-ut | #/usr has 3.7GB free |
| 23:23.54 | lars-ut | that should be plenty for / root |
| 23:24.18 | decriptor | :) |
| 23:24.24 | TimRiker | so move /lib/modules to /usr/lib/modules and symlink it back. |
| 23:24.44 | lars-ut | That'll help a bit |
| 23:24.46 | decriptor | I think that since you are somewhat close to max on the drives that you should get bigger ones for future growth |
| 23:24.59 | decriptor | symlinks are great |
| 23:25.27 | decriptor | that or you could buy two new drives and symlink your /home over to the new drives |
| 23:26.21 | decriptor | do you have a budget lars |
| 23:26.34 | TimRiker | most of the time if it's not a box with heavy usage by other users, I just have one filesystem as / and a swap partition. |
| 23:26.45 | lars-ut | this is a file server |
| 23:26.54 | lars-ut | no budget on this one yet. |
| 23:27.07 | TimRiker | and the shared stuff is in /home ? |
| 23:27.15 | lars-ut | yes |
| 23:27.16 | decriptor | I would have done a /storage for company stuff and then a /home for user only stuff |
| 23:27.44 | decriptor | so / /storage (or whatever) /home swap at maybe most |
| 23:27.51 | TimRiker | then I'd do a /home and a / and be... oh, one more question... do you share any spools like printers? |
| 23:27.59 | lars-ut | no printers |
| 23:28.10 | lars-ut | all jetdirect |
| 23:28.31 | decriptor | long live jetdirect :() |
| 23:28.33 | decriptor | :) |
| 23:28.39 | decriptor | oops fat fingered that one |
| 23:28.45 | TimRiker | then that's likely enough. /home and / if you want more, then symlink /var to /home/var that way writes to / are very infrequent. |
| 23:29.27 | TimRiker | jetdirects do not handle multiple users trying to connect very well. I've often put a unix host as the sole interface to the jetdirects. |
| 23:29.34 | decriptor | I like the /storage for custom software in case you have to reload stuff |
| 23:29.39 | beandog | I just found a dual p2 server here at work :) |
| 23:29.47 | TimRiker | decriptor: /data is shorter. ;-) |
| 23:29.59 | decriptor | its all the same with tab |
| 23:30.01 | beandog | 350 mhz |
| 23:30.02 | decriptor | :) |
| 23:30.20 | Hhhhh | cya |
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| 23:31.24 | lars-ut | having just /home , / , and swap would work fine, but I still need a clear path to get from where I am now to that point. |
| 23:32.17 | TimRiker | lars-ut: just move /lib/modules and you should be fine. doing the rest either means a re-install or some creative copying. |
| 23:32.30 | TimRiker | show me "df -h" |
| 23:32.34 | lars-ut | will do. |
| 23:32.39 | lars-ut | #Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 23:32.39 | lars-ut | #/dev/md0 ext3 69M 58M 7.2M 89% / |
| 23:32.39 | lars-ut | #/dev/md5 xfs 66G 57G 8.2G 88% /home |
| 23:32.39 | lars-ut | #/dev/md4 ext3 361M 8.1M 334M 3% /tmp |
| 23:32.39 | lars-ut | #/dev/md1 ext3 4.6G 710M 3.7G 16% /usr |
| 23:32.39 | lars-ut | #/dev/md2 xfs 2.8G 672M 2.2G 24% /var |
| 23:33.22 | lars-ut | # /home is occupied heabily by a bunch of tv shows, so I'm not worried about it. I haven't burned them all to DVD yet. |
| 23:33.43 | TimRiker | ~spell heabily |
| 23:33.49 | TimRiker | =) |
| 23:33.56 | lars-ut | ~retype heabily |
| 23:34.12 | lars-ut | ibot you're useless |
| 23:34.13 | ibot | ACTION starts crying and hides from lars-ut in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 23:34.13 | TimRiker | shabbily, yeah, that's it. |
| 23:34.46 | TimRiker | ~scramble heabily |
| 23:34.56 | lars-ut | ~anagram heabily |
| 23:35.00 | lars-ut | darn |
| 23:35.06 | TimRiker | heh. patches welcome. |
| 23:35.41 | lars-ut | {crickets} |
| 23:36.13 | TimRiker | another note... small ext3 partitions made with old formats allocate 32M of journal. I forget how to check/change that. tune2fs perhaps? |
| 23:36.27 | decriptor | just curious why don't get buy bigger hard drives assuming this is for work |
| 23:36.37 | lars-ut | Don't need 'em yet |
| 23:36.57 | lars-ut | @TimRiker: I'll ocnvert root to ext2 |
| 23:37.03 | lars-ut | crap |
| 23:37.29 | TimRiker | don't know that I'd do that. having journal recovery on boot is nice for / |
| 23:40.38 | decriptor | yeah I don't know that I'd convert to ext2 |
| 23:46.21 | decriptor | you still around lars? |
| 23:47.38 | decriptor | you determined to find that cd |
| 23:47.49 | decriptor | is there an advantage to using multiply partitions |
| 23:48.00 | decriptor | like mixing xfs and ext3 |
| 23:52.49 | lars-ut | sorry |
| 23:53.02 | lars-ut | talking with boss#1 about stuff |
| 23:53.25 | lars-ut | done now |
| 23:54.17 | decriptor | that's the most important then everything else |
| 23:54.26 | decriptor | are you working on this tonight or something |
| 23:54.47 | lars-ut | nah, it's jsut buggin' me - I'm going to symlink lib for now |
| 23:55.32 | lars-ut | If anybody ever claims to be me & is able to type more than 10 responses in IRC w/o mistakes you'll know it's an imposter. |
| 23:56.24 | decriptor | you will learn the ways of irc and one day type more than 10 maybe 11 who knows :) |
| 23:56.38 | decriptor | not that that was meant to make sense :) |
| 23:56.52 | lars-ut | sure I was taught logo in 3rd grade, but typing? That didn't come until 12th. |
| 23:57.13 | lars-ut | much too late by then |
| 23:57.44 | lars-ut | repeat 5 [fwd 10 rt 144] |
| 23:58.26 | lars-ut | now I'm gona' have to load logo |